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Rockin’ The Code World with dotNetDave ft. Jim Wilcox - Ep. 103
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Aug 6, 2025
Join us on June 1 with David McCarter & Jim Wilcox for the next episode of Rockin' The Code World with dotNetDave - a weekly show to learn & live Q&A focused on .NET and other programming technologies. AGENDA • Introduction • Interview with Jim • Last year at Build, everything was Copilot. This year at Build, Copilot is • everything! • Wrap up GUEST SPEAKER Jim Wilcox: With 30 years in the field, mostly delivering software solutions to clients, Jim is a hands-on architect, advisor, coach, and author. He's been a community leader in the Greater Granite State software development landscape (which includes Boston) for over a decade, and has been a Microsoft MVP in Developer Technologies since 2019. 📺 CSharp TV - Dev Streaming Destination http://csharp.tv 🌎 C# Corner - Community of Software and Data Developers https://www.c-sharpcorner.com #CSharpTV #csharpcorner #CSharp #dotNet
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[Applause] hey Geeks welcome to another exciting
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hey Geeks welcome to another exciting
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hey Geeks welcome to another exciting episode of rocking the code World we're
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episode of rocking the code World we're
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episode of rocking the code World we're done at Dave I'm David mcarter I'm glad
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done at Dave I'm David mcarter I'm glad
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done at Dave I'm David mcarter I'm glad you're back we had a show last week and
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you're back we had a show last week and
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you're back we had a show last week and we have a show this week two weeks in a
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we have a show this week two weeks in a
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we have a show this week two weeks in a row huh lucky you or me I don't know
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row huh lucky you or me I don't know
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row huh lucky you or me I don't know anyway uh I'm excited about this show
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anyway uh I'm excited about this show
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anyway uh I'm excited about this show for the second time I'm having uh Jim
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for the second time I'm having uh Jim
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for the second time I'm having uh Jim Wilcox uh on the show uh I spoke at his
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Wilcox uh on the show uh I spoke at his
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Wilcox uh on the show uh I spoke at his code Camp a number of years ago and I
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code Camp a number of years ago and I
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code Camp a number of years ago and I really liked it and I wish I could go
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really liked it and I wish I could go
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really liked it and I wish I could go back but um I'm here so uh anyway we're
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back but um I'm here so uh anyway we're
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back but um I'm here so uh anyway we're going to be talking about co-pilot so if
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going to be talking about co-pilot so if
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going to be talking about co-pilot so if you have any questions about you know
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you have any questions about you know
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you have any questions about you know Microsoft's announcements last week
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Microsoft's announcements last week
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Microsoft's announcements last week around co-pilot have you tried co-pilot
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around co-pilot have you tried co-pilot
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around co-pilot have you tried co-pilot um things like that please uh post your
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um things like that please uh post your
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um things like that please uh post your questions now for Jim and I and uh we'll
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questions now for Jim and I and uh we'll
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questions now for Jim and I and uh we'll see if we can get them answered I'm
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see if we can get them answered I'm
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see if we can get them answered I'm definitely not a huge co-pilot expert at
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definitely not a huge co-pilot expert at
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definitely not a huge co-pilot expert at this point I'm just learning how to use
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this point I'm just learning how to use
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this point I'm just learning how to use it in Visual Studio which uh you know I
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it in Visual Studio which uh you know I
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it in Visual Studio which uh you know I I I did tweet about this that you know
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I I did tweet about this that you know
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I I did tweet about this that you know one of the things know I've been uh
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one of the things know I've been uh
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one of the things know I've been uh hounding Microsoft for ever since donet
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hounding Microsoft for ever since donet
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hounding Microsoft for ever since donet uh core came out and now donet is that
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uh core came out and now donet is that
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uh core came out and now donet is that there's no uh way to easily create unit
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there's no uh way to easily create unit
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there's no uh way to easily create unit tests and so I did try co-pilot and it
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tests and so I did try co-pilot and it
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tests and so I did try co-pilot and it does actually create pretty good unit
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does actually create pretty good unit
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does actually create pretty good unit tests uh you have to tell it to to do
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tests uh you have to tell it to to do
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tests uh you have to tell it to to do all code paths it doesn't seem to do it
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all code paths it doesn't seem to do it
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all code paths it doesn't seem to do it uh uh by itself but if you tell it it it
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uh uh by itself but if you tell it it it
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uh uh by itself but if you tell it it it will do it and uh so maybe that will
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will do it and uh so maybe that will
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will do it and uh so maybe that will make it easier for us to uh create unit
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make it easier for us to uh create unit
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make it easier for us to uh create unit tests because I don't think anybody
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tests because I don't think anybody
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tests because I don't think anybody really likes doing that but it but it's
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really likes doing that but it but it's
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really likes doing that but it but it's very very important to uh you know to
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very very important to uh you know to
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very very important to uh you know to write a quality code because how do you
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write a quality code because how do you
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write a quality code because how do you know if your code is good if you don't
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know if your code is good if you don't
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know if your code is good if you don't have anything testing it so um anyway so
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have anything testing it so um anyway so
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have anything testing it so um anyway so uh show uh 103 um Jim Willcox and uh
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uh show uh 103 um Jim Willcox and uh
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uh show uh 103 um Jim Willcox and uh let's get going I just have a couple
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let's get going I just have a couple
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let's get going I just have a couple slides before Jim comes on uh as you all
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slides before Jim comes on uh as you all
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slides before Jim comes on uh as you all know I uh released last month I released
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know I uh released last month I released
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know I uh released last month I released uh uh my fourth edition of my co uh my
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uh uh my fourth edition of my co uh my
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uh uh my fourth edition of my co uh my code performance book uh I worked on for
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code performance book uh I worked on for
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code performance book uh I worked on for for many many many months and uh and uh
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for many many many months and uh and uh
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for many many many months and uh and uh probably abused my computer with all the
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probably abused my computer with all the
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probably abused my computer with all the Benchmark tests while I ran uh but
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Benchmark tests while I ran uh but
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Benchmark tests while I ran uh but anyway uh it's out I hope you go get a
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anyway uh it's out I hope you go get a
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anyway uh it's out I hope you go get a copy it's on Amazon anywhere you can get
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copy it's on Amazon anywhere you can get
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copy it's on Amazon anywhere you can get Amazon uh books you can get uh my book I
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Amazon uh books you can get uh my book I
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Amazon uh books you can get uh my book I hope you go get a copy uh I as with the
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hope you go get a copy uh I as with the
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hope you go get a copy uh I as with the last Edition before this one I learned a
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last Edition before this one I learned a
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last Edition before this one I learned a lot uh with this this Edition especially
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lot uh with this this Edition especially
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lot uh with this this Edition especially because there's been a lot of changes
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because there's been a lot of changes
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because there's been a lot of changes inet 8 um some things that were were uh
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inet 8 um some things that were were uh
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inet 8 um some things that were were uh wildly different inet 6 and even seven
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wildly different inet 6 and even seven
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wildly different inet 6 and even seven have actually come really a lot closer
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have actually come really a lot closer
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have actually come really a lot closer in net 8 so that's good but some things
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in net 8 so that's good but some things
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in net 8 so that's good but some things have slipped some things have gotten
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have slipped some things have gotten
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have slipped some things have gotten better some things about the same but
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better some things about the same but
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better some things about the same but it's all in my book and I I give you all
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it's all in my book and I I give you all
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it's all in my book and I I give you all the tips and tricks and all the best
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the tips and tricks and all the best
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the tips and tricks and all the best practices to quickly uh you know get
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practices to quickly uh you know get
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practices to quickly uh you know get your code as performant as possible
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your code as performant as possible
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your code as performant as possible because we all know that especially in
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because we all know that especially in
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because we all know that especially in the cloud you know you get charge per
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the cloud you know you get charge per
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the cloud you know you get charge per execution time if you can cut your
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execution time if you can cut your
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execution time if you can cut your execution time down by a half you save
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execution time down by a half you save
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execution time down by a half you save half right it's it's as simple as that
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half right it's it's as simple as that
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half right it's it's as simple as that and uh uh well it's not really that
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and uh uh well it's not really that
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and uh uh well it's not really that simple but it's it's easy and uh I just
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simple but it's it's easy and uh I just
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simple but it's it's easy and uh I just hope that most companies uh uh work on
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hope that most companies uh uh work on
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hope that most companies uh uh work on that because very very important to uh
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that because very very important to uh
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that because very very important to uh uh be concerned about performance it
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uh be concerned about performance it
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uh be concerned about performance it always has been but now that you know
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always has been but now that you know
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always has been but now that you know we're getting charged because of
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we're getting charged because of
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we're getting charged because of performance it's even more important so
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performance it's even more important so
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performance it's even more important so I hope you go get a copy of that book
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I hope you go get a copy of that book
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I hope you go get a copy of that book and uh at the beginning of this year I
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and uh at the beginning of this year I
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and uh at the beginning of this year I released uh the eighth edition of my
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released uh the eighth edition of my
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released uh the eighth edition of my coding standards book it's the only
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coding standards book it's the only
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coding standards book it's the only pureet coding standards book out there
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pureet coding standards book out there
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pureet coding standards book out there that I'm aware of um it's my biggest
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that I'm aware of um it's my biggest
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that I'm aware of um it's my biggest book I've ever released I even have a
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book I've ever released I even have a
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book I've ever released I even have a hard copy uh hard cover copy if you want
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hard copy uh hard cover copy if you want
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hard copy uh hard cover copy if you want to get that too it's I think I think
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to get that too it's I think I think
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to get that too it's I think I think it's 560 Pages now and uh it's really
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it's 560 Pages now and uh it's really
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it's 560 Pages now and uh it's really really big and uh anyway I hope you go
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really big and uh anyway I hope you go
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really big and uh anyway I hope you go get a copy of that to make sure that
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get a copy of that to make sure that
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get a copy of that to make sure that your company is writing high quality
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your company is writing high quality
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your company is writing high quality code uh and and you get less uh um you
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code uh and and you get less uh um you
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code uh and and you get less uh um you know less calls from uh QA because you
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know less calls from uh QA because you
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know less calls from uh QA because you have bugs and and and speaking about
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have bugs and and and speaking about
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have bugs and and and speaking about less calls from QA uh I just recorded
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less calls from QA uh I just recorded
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less calls from QA uh I just recorded yesterday a new episode of 256 seconds
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yesterday a new episode of 256 seconds
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yesterday a new episode of 256 seconds with Donna Dave where I'm going to be
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with Donna Dave where I'm going to be
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with Donna Dave where I'm going to be explaining my methodology on how I trap
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explaining my methodology on how I trap
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explaining my methodology on how I trap and and and deal with exceptions and so
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and and and deal with exceptions and so
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and and and deal with exceptions and so part one I'm done with I'll be releasing
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part one I'm done with I'll be releasing
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part one I'm done with I'll be releasing that uh probably this weekend and then
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that uh probably this weekend and then
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that uh probably this weekend and then part two I'll probably do next week and
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part two I'll probably do next week and
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part two I'll probably do next week and so I hope you'll uh stay tuned to
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so I hope you'll uh stay tuned to
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so I hope you'll uh stay tuned to dps.com but everything I talk about is
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dps.com but everything I talk about is
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dps.com but everything I talk about is these two videos is in my coding Center
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these two videos is in my coding Center
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these two videos is in my coding Center book and so I hope you get a
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copy all right the interview uh Jim uh
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copy all right the interview uh Jim uh
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copy all right the interview uh Jim uh is has been in this field for 30 years
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is has been in this field for 30 years
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is has been in this field for 30 years mostly delivering software solutions to
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mostly delivering software solutions to
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mostly delivering software solutions to clients um he Jim is is is a Hands-On
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clients um he Jim is is is a Hands-On
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clients um he Jim is is is a Hands-On architect advisor coach and author he's
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architect advisor coach and author he's
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architect advisor coach and author he's been a community leader in the gr estate
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been a community leader in the gr estate
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been a community leader in the gr estate uh software development landscape which
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uh software development landscape which
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uh software development landscape which includes Boston for over a decade and
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includes Boston for over a decade and
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includes Boston for over a decade and has been Microsoft MVP since uh uh 2019
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has been Microsoft MVP since uh uh 2019
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has been Microsoft MVP since uh uh 2019 and he runs a code camp and that I spoke
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and he runs a code camp and that I spoke
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and he runs a code camp and that I spoke at that I mentioned earlier so welcome
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at that I mentioned earlier so welcome
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at that I mentioned earlier so welcome Jim hey thank you uh first of all I just
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Jim hey thank you uh first of all I just
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Jim hey thank you uh first of all I just want to say congratulations on the new
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want to say congratulations on the new
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want to say congratulations on the new books and and stuff like that and uh uh
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books and and stuff like that and uh uh
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books and and stuff like that and uh uh definitely appreciate you inviting me to
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definitely appreciate you inviting me to
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definitely appreciate you inviting me to be here it's it's awesome and and an
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be here it's it's awesome and and an
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be here it's it's awesome and and an honor to be here so yeah you're welcome
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honor to be here so yeah you're welcome
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honor to be here so yeah you're welcome and uh hey I you know I woke up this
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and uh hey I you know I woke up this
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and uh hey I you know I woke up this morning and I couldn't remember do we
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morning and I couldn't remember do we
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morning and I couldn't remember do we get awarded this month or not next month
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get awarded this month or not next month
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get awarded this month or not next month uh usually July 1st so y they change it
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uh usually July 1st so y they change it
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uh usually July 1st so y they change it all the I mean you know how many times
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all the I mean you know how many times
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all the I mean you know how many times they've changed it since I've been in
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they've changed it since I've been in
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they've changed it since I've been in Microsoft MP you know it's I I can never
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Microsoft MP you know it's I I can never
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Microsoft MP you know it's I I can never remember I I remember the the month we
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remember I I remember the the month we
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remember I I remember the the month we have to be done with you know submitting
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have to be done with you know submitting
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have to be done with you know submitting everything but I always forget the month
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everything but I always forget the month
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everything but I always forget the month that you know so I was checking my email
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that you know so I was checking my email
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that you know so I was checking my email this I was checking my email this
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this I was checking my email this
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this I was checking my email this morning going uh well I guess it's not
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morning going uh well I guess it's not
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morning going uh well I guess it's not this month
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I understand it's it's still a little
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I understand it's it's still a little
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I understand it's it's still a little nerve-wracking it's like you know for as
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nerve-wracking it's like you know for as
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nerve-wracking it's like you know for as much as as we end up getting involved in
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much as as we end up getting involved in
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much as as we end up getting involved in community and stuff like that it's it's
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community and stuff like that it's it's
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community and stuff like that it's it's never a guarantee there and it's it's
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never a guarantee there and it's it's
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never a guarantee there and it's it's always just a little bit like did I did
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always just a little bit like did I did
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always just a little bit like did I did I get
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I get
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I get rewarded yeah I you know I don't get so
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rewarded yeah I you know I don't get so
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rewarded yeah I you know I don't get so much anxiety anymore you know because
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much anxiety anymore you know because
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much anxiety anymore you know because you know this will be my like 18th award
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you know this will be my like 18th award
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you know this will be my like 18th award I think and and uh so I I've kind of
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I think and and uh so I I've kind of
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I think and and uh so I I've kind of learned how to not worry about it too
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learned how to not worry about it too
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learned how to not worry about it too much like I can't even remember which
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much like I can't even remember which
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much like I can't even remember which month I get it right because you know
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month I get it right because you know
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month I get it right because you know because I I think if I knew then I would
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because I I think if I knew then I would
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because I I think if I knew then I would be more anxious right and uh I just go
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be more anxious right and uh I just go
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be more anxious right and uh I just go yeah well I'll get it I'll maybe not get
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yeah well I'll get it I'll maybe not get
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yeah well I'll get it I'll maybe not get it it'll probably end up in my junk
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it it'll probably end up in my junk
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it it'll probably end up in my junk folder as usual you know and uh uh which
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folder as usual you know and uh uh which
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folder as usual you know and uh uh which I don't know why you know oh yeah
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I don't know why you know oh yeah
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I don't know why you know oh yeah speaking hey Outlook when I send an
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speaking hey Outlook when I send an
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speaking hey Outlook when I send an email to someone and they reply don't
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email to someone and they reply don't
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email to someone and they reply don't freaking put it in my junk folder geez
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freaking put it in my junk folder geez
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freaking put it in my junk folder geez come on I mean I forget who I emailed oh
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come on I mean I forget who I emailed oh
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come on I mean I forget who I emailed oh it was for my panel show right and uh
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it was for my panel show right and uh
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it was for my panel show right and uh that I'm working on I told you about
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that I'm working on I told you about
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that I'm working on I told you about before the show started and uh you know
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before the show started and uh you know
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before the show started and uh you know I sent my first invite for the panel
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I sent my first invite for the panel
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I sent my first invite for the panel show and he replied I kept waiting for a
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show and he replied I kept waiting for a
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show and he replied I kept waiting for a couple days going well how come he
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couple days going well how come he
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couple days going well how come he hasn't replied and then I look at my
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hasn't replied and then I look at my
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hasn't replied and then I look at my junk folder it's there I'm going come on
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junk folder it's there I'm going come on
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junk folder it's there I'm going come on Outlook you know why do you do
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Outlook you know why do you do
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Outlook you know why do you do that yep
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that yep
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that yep yep so anyway I wish I wouldn't I wish I
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yep so anyway I wish I wouldn't I wish I
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yep so anyway I wish I wouldn't I wish I didn't have to look at my junk folder
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didn't have to look at my junk folder
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didn't have to look at my junk folder all the time
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um so uh so we're going to talk about
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um so uh so we're going to talk about
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um so uh so we're going to talk about co-pilot all everybody watching today uh
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co-pilot all everybody watching today uh
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co-pilot all everybody watching today uh please send in your uh questions about
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please send in your uh questions about
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please send in your uh questions about co-pilot or anything else uh basically
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co-pilot or anything else uh basically
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co-pilot or anything else uh basically and we'll uh try to get them answer as
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and we'll uh try to get them answer as
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and we'll uh try to get them answer as as soon as possible and also if you um
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as soon as possible and also if you um
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as soon as possible and also if you um if you uh and if you're watching live
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if you uh and if you're watching live
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if you uh and if you're watching live please uh put put in the chat where are
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please uh put put in the chat where are
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please uh put put in the chat where are you're listening from I'm always curious
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you're listening from I'm always curious
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you're listening from I'm always curious who's uh listening to the show I mean I
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who's uh listening to the show I mean I
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who's uh listening to the show I mean I get reports from uh Simon once a year or
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get reports from uh Simon once a year or
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get reports from uh Simon once a year or so but I I like to hear it live too so
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so but I I like to hear it live too so
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so but I I like to hear it live too so anyway so what do you want to talk about
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anyway so what do you want to talk about
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anyway so what do you want to talk about first um so actually you know co-pilot
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first um so actually you know co-pilot
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first um so actually you know co-pilot and Microsoft build um so for you know
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and Microsoft build um so for you know
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and Microsoft build um so for you know the kids at home uh Microsoft build was
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the kids at home uh Microsoft build was
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the kids at home uh Microsoft build was uh was last week and um you know it's
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uh was last week and um you know it's
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uh was last week and um you know it's I've appreciated the opportunity to be a
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I've appreciated the opportunity to be a
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I've appreciated the opportunity to be a part of Microsoft build for years and I
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part of Microsoft build for years and I
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part of Microsoft build for years and I feel like I've seen some kind of pivotal
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feel like I've seen some kind of pivotal
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feel like I've seen some kind of pivotal but subtle things happened there over
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but subtle things happened there over
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but subtle things happened there over the years like like for example I was
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the years like like for example I was
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the years like like for example I was there for the year when uh when
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there for the year when uh when
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there for the year when uh when Microsoft announced that um you know
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Microsoft announced that um you know
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Microsoft announced that um you know they they had a a bunch of you know
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they they had a a bunch of you know
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they they had a a bunch of you know classically technical announcements you
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classically technical announcements you
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classically technical announcements you know new products and all that stuff but
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know new products and all that stuff but
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know new products and all that stuff but the the underlying big thing is yay
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the the underlying big thing is yay
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the the underlying big thing is yay we're no longer a monopoly that means we
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we're no longer a monopoly that means we
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we're no longer a monopoly that means we can innovate
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again um and and uh but you know like
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again um and and uh but you know like
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again um and and uh but you know like last year um so we we had this
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last year um so we we had this
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last year um so we we had this interesting thing pop up in late 2022 it
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interesting thing pop up in late 2022 it
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interesting thing pop up in late 2022 it was this thing called chat
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was this thing called chat
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was this thing called chat GPT and in a lot of ways chat GPT was um
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GPT and in a lot of ways chat GPT was um
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GPT and in a lot of ways chat GPT was um was kind of a you know what I call an
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was kind of a you know what I call an
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was kind of a you know what I call an iPhone moment for um for artificial
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iPhone moment for um for artificial
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iPhone moment for um for artificial intelligence it was like yeah everybody
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intelligence it was like yeah everybody
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intelligence it was like yeah everybody was playing with artificial intelligence
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was playing with artificial intelligence
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was playing with artificial intelligence it was kind of there but it was mostly
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it was kind of there but it was mostly
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it was kind of there but it was mostly for geeks um sort of like the the
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for geeks um sort of like the the
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for geeks um sort of like the the smartphone was back in 200 seven and
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smartphone was back in 200 seven and
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smartphone was back in 200 seven and nobody really cared until all of a
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nobody really cared until all of a
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nobody really cared until all of a sudden Apple came out with the iPhone
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sudden Apple came out with the iPhone
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sudden Apple came out with the iPhone right right then suddenly everybody's
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right right then suddenly everybody's
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right right then suddenly everybody's got a smartphone and you know we're all
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got a smartphone and you know we're all
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got a smartphone and you know we're all playing with it and stuff like that and
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playing with it and stuff like that and
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playing with it and stuff like that and this is kind of what happened in 2022
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this is kind of what happened in 2022
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this is kind of what happened in 2022 late 2022 with um chat
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late 2022 with um chat
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late 2022 with um chat GPT so um so it it shouldn't necessarily
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GPT so um so it it shouldn't necessarily
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GPT so um so it it shouldn't necessarily surprise people in build of
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surprise people in build of
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surprise people in build of 2023 um you know that that Microsoft all
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2023 um you know that that Microsoft all
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2023 um you know that that Microsoft all of a sudden came out with a a slew of
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of a sudden came out with a a slew of
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of a sudden came out with a a slew of co-pilot stuff all based kind of on chat
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co-pilot stuff all based kind of on chat
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co-pilot stuff all based kind of on chat GPT um and it really kind of you know I
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GPT um and it really kind of you know I
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GPT um and it really kind of you know I think the thing that surprised me most
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think the thing that surprised me most
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think the thing that surprised me most was was how surprised everybody was that
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was was how surprised everybody was that
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was was how surprised everybody was that this happened um Microsoft has this
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this happened um Microsoft has this
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this happened um Microsoft has this really really long history of you know
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really really long history of you know
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really really long history of you know working with um artificial intelligence
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working with um artificial intelligence
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working with um artificial intelligence or trying to make digital assistance so
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or trying to make digital assistance so
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or trying to make digital assistance so it goes they kind of forget that it it
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it goes they kind of forget that it it
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it goes they kind of forget that it it goes back as far as like like
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goes back as far as like like
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goes back as far as like like 1996 I want to say 95 with clipping uh
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1996 I want to say 95 with clipping uh
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1996 I want to say 95 with clipping uh actually no Microsoft Bob oh Bob yeah
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actually no Microsoft Bob oh Bob yeah
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actually no Microsoft Bob oh Bob yeah yeah yeah there was Bob and then there
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yeah yeah there was Bob and then there
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yeah yeah there was Bob and then there was clippy and you know and everybody
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was clippy and you know and everybody
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was clippy and you know and everybody remembers and and at this point you know
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remembers and and at this point you know
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remembers and and at this point you know we've gone through this like phase with
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we've gone through this like phase with
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we've gone through this like phase with clippy where everybody hated clippy and
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clippy where everybody hated clippy and
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clippy where everybody hated clippy and now everybody's nostalgic
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now everybody's nostalgic
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now everybody's nostalgic about um he shows up at the MVP Summits
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about um he shows up at the MVP Summits
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about um he shows up at the MVP Summits every once in a while too right yep yep
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every once in a while too right yep yep
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every once in a while too right yep yep and uh and of course Cortana and you
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and uh and of course Cortana and you
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and uh and of course Cortana and you know Cortana was a a pretty big shift it
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know Cortana was a a pretty big shift it
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know Cortana was a a pretty big shift it was a little bit of a met too move after
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was a little bit of a met too move after
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was a little bit of a met too move after you know some of the stuff with Siri and
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you know some of the stuff with Siri and
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you know some of the stuff with Siri and you know stuff like that but um uh
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you know stuff like that but um uh
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you know stuff like that but um uh really Cortana was was a decent step
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really Cortana was was a decent step
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really Cortana was was a decent step forward and Microsoft did a lot to
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forward and Microsoft did a lot to
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forward and Microsoft did a lot to integrate Cortana into you know various
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integrate Cortana into you know various
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integrate Cortana into you know various platforms and features and stuff like
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platforms and features and stuff like
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platforms and features and stuff like that so um when Cortana kind of faded
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that so um when Cortana kind of faded
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that so um when Cortana kind of faded out it's not like they actually got rid
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out it's not like they actually got rid
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out it's not like they actually got rid of it they actually were very smart
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of it they actually were very smart
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of it they actually were very smart about it they kind of feature flagged it
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about it they kind of feature flagged it
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about it they kind of feature flagged it out of Windows and hid it from people
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out of Windows and hid it from people
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out of Windows and hid it from people until we had our our iPhone moment with
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until we had our our iPhone moment with
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until we had our our iPhone moment with chat GPT yeah and so all of a sudden
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chat GPT yeah and so all of a sudden
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chat GPT yeah and so all of a sudden they turned all those features that they
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they turned all those features that they
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they turned all those features that they never really stopped developing they
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never really stopped developing they
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never really stopped developing they they kind of kept going they knew at
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they kind of kept going they knew at
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they kind of kept going they knew at some point there would be an AI model
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some point there would be an AI model
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some point there would be an AI model that would work for this and um you know
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that would work for this and um you know
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that would work for this and um you know all of a sudden they've got co-pilot
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all of a sudden they've got co-pilot
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all of a sudden they've got co-pilot everywhere so so the theme that builds
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everywhere so so the theme that builds
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everywhere so so the theme that builds 2023 was that everything was co-pilot
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2023 was that everything was co-pilot
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2023 was that everything was co-pilot yeah you know there was there was
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yeah you know there was there was
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yeah you know there was there was co-pilot kind of like as a side car to
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co-pilot kind of like as a side car to
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co-pilot kind of like as a side car to like all of these different aspects of
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like all of these different aspects of
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like all of these different aspects of Microsoft's products and offerings and
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Microsoft's products and offerings and
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Microsoft's products and offerings and platforms so um Step In to you know
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platforms so um Step In to you know
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platforms so um Step In to you know build
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build
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build 2024 and we get a different message like
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2024 and we get a different message like
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2024 and we get a different message like just before build literally the Monday
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just before build literally the Monday
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just before build literally the Monday before they they opened for the keynote
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before they they opened for the keynote
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before they they opened for the keynote at build they had had a separate sort of
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at build they had had a separate sort of
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at build they had had a separate sort of extra event that wasn't even at the
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extra event that wasn't even at the
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extra event that wasn't even at the convention center that build was at it
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convention center that build was at it
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convention center that build was at it was at Microsoft's Main
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was at Microsoft's Main
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was at Microsoft's Main Headquarters where they announced
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Headquarters where they announced
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Headquarters where they announced co-pilot plus
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co-pilot plus
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co-pilot plus PCS and the co-pilot plus PC is
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PCS and the co-pilot plus PC is
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PCS and the co-pilot plus PC is literally built from the hardware up
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literally built from the hardware up
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literally built from the hardware up it's it's bare metal meant to be an AI
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it's it's bare metal meant to be an AI
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it's it's bare metal meant to be an AI processing system right so so the funny
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processing system right so so the funny
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processing system right so so the funny part there is you know everybody's so
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part there is you know everybody's so
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part there is you know everybody's so concerned that Microsoft is is doing
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concerned that Microsoft is is doing
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concerned that Microsoft is is doing this it's all going to run locally on
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this it's all going to run locally on
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this it's all going to run locally on your system so you know you don't have
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your system so you know you don't have
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your system so you know you don't have to worry about it quite so much it's not
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to worry about it quite so much it's not
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to worry about it quite so much it's not like it's it's like you know taking all
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like it's it's like you know taking all
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like it's it's like you know taking all this stuff and running it through you
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this stuff and running it through you
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this stuff and running it through you know some other right uh AI model
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know some other right uh AI model
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know some other right uh AI model somewhere else it's running it right on
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somewhere else it's running it right on
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somewhere else it's running it right on your machine so um but they also
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your machine so um but they also
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your machine so um but they also announced at build in tandem this
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announced at build in tandem this
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announced at build in tandem this actually I think I watched the video for
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actually I think I watched the video for
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actually I think I watched the video for the co- pilot plus PC and Tech they
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the co- pilot plus PC and Tech they
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the co- pilot plus PC and Tech they announced the windows co-pilot runtime
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announced the windows co-pilot runtime
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announced the windows co-pilot runtime complete with the windows co-pilot
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complete with the windows co-pilot
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complete with the windows co-pilot Library built into windows at the
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Library built into windows at the
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Library built into windows at the co-pilot plus PC event so technically it
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co-pilot plus PC event so technically it
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co-pilot plus PC event so technically it wasn't actually a build announcement it
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wasn't actually a build announcement it
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wasn't actually a build announcement it was it was really actually announced
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was it was really actually announced
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was it was really actually announced before
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before
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before build um and what that does is it it
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build um and what that does is it it
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build um and what that does is it it kind of makes this subtle distinction
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kind of makes this subtle distinction
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kind of makes this subtle distinction where um essentially AI is now part of
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where um essentially AI is now part of
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where um essentially AI is now part of the
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the
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the platform you know whereas before you
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platform you know whereas before you
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platform you know whereas before you know everything was co-pilot this little
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know everything was co-pilot this little
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know everything was co-pilot this little side car out there that did this you
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side car out there that did this you
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side car out there that did this you know co-pilot AI stuff now everything is
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know co-pilot AI stuff now everything is
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know co-pilot AI stuff now everything is co-pilot you know co-pilot is everything
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co-pilot you know co-pilot is everything
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co-pilot you know co-pilot is everything I'm sorry that's that's
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I'm sorry that's that's
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I'm sorry that's that's the yeah that's that's you know I you
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the yeah that's that's you know I you
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the yeah that's that's you know I you know during I think after the first
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know during I think after the first
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know during I think after the first couple hours of build last week you know
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couple hours of build last week you know
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couple hours of build last week you know I put out a tweet and I said uh forget
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I put out a tweet and I said uh forget
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I put out a tweet and I said uh forget about you know Skynet you know in
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about you know Skynet you know in
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about you know Skynet you know in Terminator co-pilot is going to take
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Terminator co-pilot is going to take
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Terminator co-pilot is going to take over the world if Microsoft has anything
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over the world if Microsoft has anything
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over the world if Microsoft has anything to do with it right cuz that's the
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to do with it right cuz that's the
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to do with it right cuz that's the message I got is co-pilot is everything
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message I got is co-pilot is everything
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message I got is co-pilot is everything these days you know kind of like when
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these days you know kind of like when
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these days you know kind of like when you know the internet came really
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you know the internet came really
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you know the internet came really popular or cell phones you know now
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popular or cell phones you know now
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popular or cell phones you know now we're having a co-pilot or AI like you
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we're having a co-pilot or AI like you
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we're having a co-pilot or AI like you said uh Revolution right yeah yeah and
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said uh Revolution right yeah yeah and
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said uh Revolution right yeah yeah and it it really it really is huge it's it's
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it it really it really is huge it's it's
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it it really it really is huge it's it's um and and I understand the the Skynet
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um and and I understand the the Skynet
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um and and I understand the the Skynet reference and you know stuff like that
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reference and you know stuff like that
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reference and you know stuff like that you know I I am still looking forward to
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you know I I am still looking forward to
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you know I I am still looking forward to finding out what some of these features
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finding out what some of these features
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finding out what some of these features are actually going to look like because
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are actually going to look like because
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are actually going to look like because they only announced the the um that it's
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they only announced the the um that it's
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they only announced the the um that it's in development that it's going to be
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in development that it's going to be
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in development that it's going to be available eventually but they haven't
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available eventually but they haven't
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available eventually but they haven't you know given a full timeline on when
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you know given a full timeline on when
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you know given a full timeline on when it will be generally available and and
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it will be generally available and and
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it will be generally available and and stuff like that so um definitely more to
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stuff like that so um definitely more to
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stuff like that so um definitely more to come on that but um it it will be
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come on that but um it it will be
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come on that but um it it will be interesting how that comes together and
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interesting how that comes together and
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interesting how that comes together and I I still don't think we're gonna have
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I I still don't think we're gonna have
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I I still don't think we're gonna have to live in fear of our PCS at any time
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to live in fear of our PCS at any time
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to live in fear of our PCS at any time in the the near future no I don't think
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in the the near future no I don't think
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in the the near future no I don't think so either they'll be smart but they
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so either they'll be smart but they
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so either they'll be smart but they won't be that smart you know um they
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won't be that smart you know um they
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won't be that smart you know um they won't be communicating quite that much
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won't be communicating quite that much
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won't be communicating quite that much um but um but the other thing of course
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um but um but the other thing of course
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um but um but the other thing of course is is that um all of this is sort of
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is is that um all of this is sort of
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is is that um all of this is sort of intended to be um Agency for developers
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intended to be um Agency for developers
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intended to be um Agency for developers so you know basically they're they're
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so you know basically they're they're
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so you know basically they're they're exposing these libraries and and code
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exposing these libraries and and code
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exposing these libraries and and code bases and that sort of thing and what I
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bases and that sort of thing and what I
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bases and that sort of thing and what I found myself thinking about as you were
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found myself thinking about as you were
18:03
found myself thinking about as you were talking about your books at the
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talking about your books at the
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talking about your books at the beginning of the show here um was that
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beginning of the show here um was that
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beginning of the show here um was that it would be really awesome to train a
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it would be really awesome to train a
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it would be really awesome to train a co-pilot model with your books yeah and
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co-pilot model with your books yeah and
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co-pilot model with your books yeah and would be you could actually make a make
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would be you could actually make a make
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would be you could actually make a make a product out of that at some point you
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a product out of that at some point you
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a product out of that at some point you know that's um you know something to
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know that's um you know something to
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know that's um you know something to consider as far as that goes um oh I
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consider as far as that goes um oh I
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consider as far as that goes um oh I know I've been thinking about how do I
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know I've been thinking about how do I
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know I've been thinking about how do I you know take something that I've worked
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you know take something that I've worked
18:26
you know take something that I've worked on like that and then turn it into
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on like that and then turn it into
18:28
on like that and then turn it into something like
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something like
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something like you know a chat or you know some kind of
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you know a chat or you know some kind of
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you know a chat or you know some kind of Bot or even I think yesterday I was
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Bot or even I think yesterday I was
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Bot or even I think yesterday I was thinking you know maybe I should do a a
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thinking you know maybe I should do a a
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thinking you know maybe I should do a a DNA Dave Alexa app right and uh so yeah
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DNA Dave Alexa app right and uh so yeah
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DNA Dave Alexa app right and uh so yeah I haven't figured out how to do that yet
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I haven't figured out how to do that yet
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I haven't figured out how to do that yet but but uh so before I forget so you
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but but uh so before I forget so you
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but but uh so before I forget so you were at build right
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were at build right
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were at build right yes I I had the the honor for the past
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yes I I had the the honor for the past
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yes I I had the the honor for the past couple of years I've I've been very
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couple of years I've I've been very
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couple of years I've I've been very honored to be part of um part of the Hub
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honored to be part of um part of the Hub
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honored to be part of um part of the Hub so I'm I'm actually you know because of
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so I'm I'm actually you know because of
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so I'm I'm actually you know because of being a Microsoft MVP I get invited to
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being a Microsoft MVP I get invited to
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being a Microsoft MVP I get invited to um be a part of the staff that staffs
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um be a part of the staff that staffs
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um be a part of the staff that staffs the expert booths up in the Hub at at
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the expert booths up in the Hub at at
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the expert booths up in the Hub at at these events and I got to go to build
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these events and I got to go to build
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these events and I got to go to build last year as that and uh actually went
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last year as that and uh actually went
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last year as that and uh actually went to ignite for the first time last year
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to ignite for the first time last year
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to ignite for the first time last year also as an expert um different very
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also as an expert um different very
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also as an expert um different very different audiences different different
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different audiences different different
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different audiences different different crowds it was very cool uh to see the
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crowds it was very cool uh to see the
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crowds it was very cool uh to see the differences there but um yeah so I I was
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differences there but um yeah so I I was
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differences there but um yeah so I I was at bill
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at bill
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at bill didn't get to go to as many of the
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didn't get to go to as many of the
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didn't get to go to as many of the sessions but I did get to talk to a lot
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sessions but I did get to talk to a lot
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sessions but I did get to talk to a lot of people and it was great to to hear
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of people and it was great to to hear
19:35
of people and it was great to to hear what they were talking about so so what
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what they were talking about so so what
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what they were talking about so so what was the you know general feeling from
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was the you know general feeling from
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was the you know general feeling from the developers about you know co-pilot
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the developers about you know co-pilot
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the developers about you know co-pilot in AI you know are they excited uh
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in AI you know are they excited uh
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in AI you know are they excited uh worried afraid you know uh everything or
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worried afraid you know uh everything or
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worried afraid you know uh everything or very mixed um so there's there's um you
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very mixed um so there's there's um you
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very mixed um so there's there's um you know but it's it's also kind of
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know but it's it's also kind of
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know but it's it's also kind of um uh you know for the people who are
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um uh you know for the people who are
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um uh you know for the people who are afraid that's their primary concern you
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afraid that's their primary concern you
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afraid that's their primary concern you know for the people who are excited
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know for the people who are excited
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know for the people who are excited that's their primary thing you know so
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that's their primary thing you know so
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that's their primary thing you know so so it's interesting to see that whatever
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so it's interesting to see that whatever
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so it's interesting to see that whatever adjective you would use for it it's kind
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adjective you would use for it it's kind
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adjective you would use for it it's kind of a superlative in your view of it um
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of a superlative in your view of it um
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of a superlative in your view of it um and uh you know so so a lot of people
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and uh you know so so a lot of people
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and uh you know so so a lot of people are very excited especially at the at
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are very excited especially at the at
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are very excited especially at the at the conference itself you know because
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the conference itself you know because
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the conference itself you know because they see the opportunities the the ways
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they see the opportunities the the ways
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they see the opportunities the the ways that they can um uh enhance co-pilot
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that they can um uh enhance co-pilot
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that they can um uh enhance co-pilot make it sort of you know theirs you know
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make it sort of you know theirs you know
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make it sort of you know theirs you know put features into it that uh that
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put features into it that uh that
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put features into it that uh that improves whatever it is it doesn't have
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improves whatever it is it doesn't have
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improves whatever it is it doesn't have to be coding it might be you know
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to be coding it might be you know
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to be coding it might be you know writing styles it might be um you know
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writing styles it might be um you know
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writing styles it might be um you know how to how to manage uh who knows HR
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how to how to manage uh who knows HR
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how to how to manage uh who knows HR policies or uh you know something along
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policies or uh you know something along
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policies or uh you know something along those lines because um there's a you
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those lines because um there's a you
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those lines because um there's a you know a ton of different problem domains
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know a ton of different problem domains
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know a ton of different problem domains that this can contribute to um and make
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that this can contribute to um and make
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that this can contribute to um and make people's lives a little bit easier a
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people's lives a little bit easier a
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people's lives a little bit easier a little bit better
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little bit better
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little bit better better as long as it doesn't start
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better as long as it doesn't start
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better as long as it doesn't start hallucinating thinking for
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hallucinating thinking for
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hallucinating thinking for itself yeah yeah well you know it's it's
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itself yeah yeah well you know it's it's
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itself yeah yeah well you know it's it's law of probabilities it's it's um
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law of probabilities it's it's um
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law of probabilities it's it's um occasionally going to come up with a
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occasionally going to come up with a
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occasionally going to come up with a doozy so yeah
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doozy so yeah
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doozy so yeah yeah yeah it's uh it's you know I watch
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yeah yeah it's uh it's you know I watch
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yeah yeah it's uh it's you know I watch a lot of sci-fi uh as much as I can and
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a lot of sci-fi uh as much as I can and
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a lot of sci-fi uh as much as I can and and I'm always you know I always pay a
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and I'm always you know I always pay a
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and I'm always you know I always pay a lot more attention when there is kind of
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lot more attention when there is kind of
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lot more attention when there is kind of AI and and Androids involved right
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AI and and Androids involved right
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AI and and Androids involved right because especially because we're just at
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because especially because we're just at
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because especially because we're just at the infancy of that right now right and
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the infancy of that right now right and
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the infancy of that right now right and so it's interesting to me at least to
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so it's interesting to me at least to
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so it's interesting to me at least to see what these you know creative Super
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see what these you know creative Super
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see what these you know creative Super Creative people are you know thinking
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Creative people are you know thinking
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Creative people are you know thinking what what it might be like in the future
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what what it might be like in the future
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what what it might be like in the future right and um and and you know the one
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right and um and and you know the one
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right and um and and you know the one thing that I've I've been seeing in in
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thing that I've I've been seeing in in
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thing that I've I've been seeing in in like unfortunately the the the last
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like unfortunately the the the last
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like unfortunately the the the last season of uh Star Trek Star Trek
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season of uh Star Trek Star Trek
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season of uh Star Trek Star Trek Discovery just ended I'm really bummed
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Discovery just ended I'm really bummed
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Discovery just ended I'm really bummed out I really like that show and yeah but
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out I really like that show and yeah but
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out I really like that show and yeah but you know the one thing that you know
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you know the one thing that you know
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you know the one thing that you know I've been seeing in some shows like that
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I've been seeing in some shows like that
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I've been seeing in some shows like that is that you know uh you know they don't
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is that you know uh you know they don't
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is that you know uh you know they don't fly their spaceships anymore right they
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fly their spaceships anymore right they
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fly their spaceships anymore right they they have a computer they have ai do it
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they have a computer they have ai do it
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they have a computer they have ai do it right and so I think you know if you
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right and so I think you know if you
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right and so I think you know if you look back at uh you know older stuff
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look back at uh you know older stuff
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look back at uh you know older stuff like Star Wars and even Star Trek and
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like Star Wars and even Star Trek and
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like Star Wars and even Star Trek and things like that you know uh they they
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things like that you know uh they they
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things like that you know uh they they kind of got that wrong right cuz you
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kind of got that wrong right cuz you
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kind of got that wrong right cuz you know the Natural Evolution is we're not
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know the Natural Evolution is we're not
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know the Natural Evolution is we're not going to be driving cars we're not going
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going to be driving cars we're not going
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going to be driving cars we're not going to be driving you know I mean heck they
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to be driving you know I mean heck they
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to be driving you know I mean heck they don't even drive airplanes now right and
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don't even drive airplanes now right and
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don't even drive airplanes now right and uh and barely you know and uh and you
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uh and barely you know and uh and you
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uh and barely you know and uh and you know we're we're not going to be driving
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know we're we're not going to be driving
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know we're we're not going to be driving spaceships we'll just plug in a
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spaceships we'll just plug in a
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spaceships we'll just plug in a coordinate and it'll just do it right
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coordinate and it'll just do it right
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coordinate and it'll just do it right and uh absolutely yeah so so I think
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and uh absolutely yeah so so I think
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and uh absolutely yeah so so I think Windows is and Microsoft are you know
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Windows is and Microsoft are you know
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Windows is and Microsoft are you know they're they're kind of trying to be
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they're they're kind of trying to be
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they're they're kind of trying to be careful in the same way that like you
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careful in the same way that like you
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careful in the same way that like you know self-driving cars are and and stuff
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know self-driving cars are and and stuff
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know self-driving cars are and and stuff like that you know the the industry
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like that you know the the industry
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like that you know the the industry actually had to back away from
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actually had to back away from
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actually had to back away from self-driving cars and ironically they're
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self-driving cars and ironically they're
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self-driving cars and ironically they're actually they have a a safer driving
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actually they have a a safer driving
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actually they have a a safer driving record than than the average human does
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record than than the average human does
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record than than the average human does yeah but because it's a machine
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yeah but because it's a machine
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yeah but because it's a machine everybody's like no we can't have that
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everybody's like no we can't have that
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everybody's like no we can't have that so right so they've backed out of it and
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so right so they've backed out of it and
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so right so they've backed out of it and they're slowly introducing features
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they're slowly introducing features
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they're slowly introducing features again like you know the adaptive cruise
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again like you know the adaptive cruise
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again like you know the adaptive cruise control and the lane assist and you know
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control and the lane assist and you know
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control and the lane assist and you know just little bits and pieces that'll
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just little bits and pieces that'll
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just little bits and pieces that'll slowly get Society comfortable with
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slowly get Society comfortable with
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slowly get Society comfortable with letting AI take this little bit of
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letting AI take this little bit of
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letting AI take this little bit of control and just enhance your your
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control and just enhance your your
23:37
control and just enhance your your driving experience with it and um you
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driving experience with it and um you
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driving experience with it and um you know I I can imagine that they'll keep
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know I I can imagine that they'll keep
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know I I can imagine that they'll keep you know reintroducing these these
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you know reintroducing these these
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you know reintroducing these these little features as they uh as they go
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little features as they uh as they go
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little features as they uh as they go along over the next probably decade
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along over the next probably decade
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along over the next probably decade before they finally reintroduce
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before they finally reintroduce
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before they finally reintroduce self-driving cars again and people are
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self-driving cars again and people are
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self-driving cars again and people are generally comfortable enough with with
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generally comfortable enough with with
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generally comfortable enough with with letting that happen yeah I was I I
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letting that happen yeah I was I I
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letting that happen yeah I was I I always you know I always thought when
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always you know I always thought when
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always you know I always thought when they were starting to work on that and
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they were starting to work on that and
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they were starting to work on that and everything you know and again I'm just
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everything you know and again I'm just
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everything you know and again I'm just being an arm arm chair quarterback here
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being an arm arm chair quarterback here
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being an arm arm chair quarterback here uh but you know I thought they should
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uh but you know I thought they should
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uh but you know I thought they should have worked harder on the semi-trucks
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have worked harder on the semi-trucks
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have worked harder on the semi-trucks before they started working on cars
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before they started working on cars
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before they started working on cars right because to me that's an easier get
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right because to me that's an easier get
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right because to me that's an easier get you know in the beginning because you
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you know in the beginning because you
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you know in the beginning because you know generally they're only on the
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know generally they're only on the
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know generally they're only on the highways you know uh and that can you
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highways you know uh and that can you
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highways you know uh and that can you know be a lot easier to deal with than
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know be a lot easier to deal with than
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know be a lot easier to deal with than Street roads especially you know Street
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Street roads especially you know Street
24:31
Street roads especially you know Street roads that constantly change and have
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roads that constantly change and have
24:33
roads that constantly change and have construction and you know all those
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construction and you know all those
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construction and you know all those other things right where highways are
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other things right where highways are
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other things right where highways are you know a lot easier to deal with
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you know a lot easier to deal with
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you know a lot easier to deal with easier to deal with right and I kind of
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easier to deal with right and I kind of
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easier to deal with right and I kind of wish they would have I know they're
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wish they would have I know they're
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wish they would have I know they're working on the self-driving trucks but I
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working on the self-driving trucks but I
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working on the self-driving trucks but I kind of wish they put more money into
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kind of wish they put more money into
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kind of wish they put more money into that first right more development into
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that first right more development into
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that first right more development into that first right yeah so so they
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that first right yeah so so they
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that first right yeah so so they actually um for for folks actually I I
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actually um for for folks actually I I
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actually um for for folks actually I I happen to catch not too long ago that
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happen to catch not too long ago that
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happen to catch not too long ago that there is a brand connected interestingly
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there is a brand connected interestingly
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there is a brand connected interestingly enough at least by name to
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enough at least by name to
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enough at least by name to Tesla um called
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Tesla um called
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Tesla um called Nicola and Nicola is all about
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Nicola and Nicola is all about
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Nicola and Nicola is all about self-driving
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self-driving
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self-driving Rigs and uh so there there is definitely
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Rigs and uh so there there is definitely
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Rigs and uh so there there is definitely work being done there and it it's
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work being done there and it it's
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work being done there and it it's certainly a a very um sound you know
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certainly a a very um sound you know
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certainly a a very um sound you know observation uh you know it totally makes
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observation uh you know it totally makes
25:27
observation uh you know it totally makes sense that you know these vehicles are
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sense that you know these vehicles are
25:29
sense that you know these vehicles are you know just kind of doing their their
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you know just kind of doing their their
25:32
you know just kind of doing their their drone level thing on a regular basis so
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drone level thing on a regular basis so
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drone level thing on a regular basis so why not you know yeah yeah and uh
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why not you know yeah yeah and uh
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why not you know yeah yeah and uh because I think unfortunately you know
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because I think unfortunately you know
25:42
because I think unfortunately you know especially the way that some consumers
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especially the way that some consumers
25:44
especially the way that some consumers have missed used you know self-driving
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have missed used you know self-driving
25:48
have missed used you know self-driving like in Tesla like you know they go to
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like in Tesla like you know they go to
25:50
like in Tesla like you know they go to sleep or they eat a meal or the cars
25:52
sleep or they eat a meal or the cars
25:52
sleep or they eat a meal or the cars driving I mean come on
25:55
driving I mean come on
25:55
driving I mean come on really yeah we can't do we can't do that
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really yeah we can't do we can't do that
25:58
really yeah we can't do we can't do that yet we're not it's not uh whatever that
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yet we're not it's not uh whatever that
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yet we're not it's not uh whatever that Tom Cruz movie is you know it it it you
26:04
Tom Cruz movie is you know it it it you
26:04
Tom Cruz movie is you know it it it you can't do that yet right somay but not
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can't do that yet right somay but not
26:07
can't do that yet right somay but not not now right but minority minority
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not now right but minority minority
26:09
not now right but minority minority minity report
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minity report
26:11
minity report yeah yeah that was a great movie yeah
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yeah yeah that was a great movie yeah
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yeah yeah that was a great movie yeah yeah and and it got you know the one
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yeah and and it got you know the one
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yeah and and it got you know the one thing I always liked about Minority
26:18
thing I always liked about Minority
26:18
thing I always liked about Minority Report which still isn't happening now
26:20
Report which still isn't happening now
26:20
Report which still isn't happening now which I really wish it would especially
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which I really wish it would especially
26:22
which I really wish it would especially on streaming services is when you walk
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on streaming services is when you walk
26:25
on streaming services is when you walk by stuff and it advertises to you right
26:28
by stuff and it advertises to you right
26:28
by stuff and it advertises to you right it's it's not a general advertisement
26:29
it's it's not a general advertisement
26:30
it's it's not a general advertisement it's targeted to you right and I thought
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it's targeted to you right and I thought
26:33
it's targeted to you right and I thought by now we would have targeted ads in
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by now we would have targeted ads in
26:35
by now we would have targeted ads in streaming services and cable and stuff
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streaming services and cable and stuff
26:38
streaming services and cable and stuff like and we don't I mean I'm going what
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like and we don't I mean I'm going what
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like and we don't I mean I'm going what are you what are you waiting for I mean
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are you what are you waiting for I mean
26:43
are you what are you waiting for I mean yeah yeah well I mean why do I need to
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yeah yeah well I mean why do I need to
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yeah yeah well I mean why do I need to see ads for feminine products right I'm
26:49
see ads for feminine products right I'm
26:49
see ads for feminine products right I'm a I'm a guy I live by myself why do I
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a I'm a guy I live by myself why do I
26:53
a I'm a guy I live by myself why do I need to see ads like that right yeah
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need to see ads like that right yeah
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need to see ads like that right yeah yeah it makes no sense right we have
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yeah it makes no sense right we have
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yeah it makes no sense right we have capability right it it reminds me a lot
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capability right it it reminds me a lot
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capability right it it reminds me a lot of actually a little bit going back to
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of actually a little bit going back to
27:04
of actually a little bit going back to Star Trek yeah um and I I found myself
27:07
Star Trek yeah um and I I found myself
27:07
Star Trek yeah um and I I found myself interested in to note that when
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interested in to note that when
27:11
interested in to note that when Discovery season 2 came out the whole
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Discovery season 2 came out the whole
27:14
Discovery season 2 came out the whole season was basically ultimately a reason
27:18
season was basically ultimately a reason
27:18
season was basically ultimately a reason to mistrust artificial intelligence yeah
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to mistrust artificial intelligence yeah
27:22
to mistrust artificial intelligence yeah um and then peard season 2 came out
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um and then peard season 2 came out
27:27
um and then peard season 2 came out almost in complete
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almost in complete
27:29
almost in complete contrast where it was a reason to
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contrast where it was a reason to
27:32
contrast where it was a reason to appreciate artificial intelligence and
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appreciate artificial intelligence and
27:35
appreciate artificial intelligence and and um so it was it was both sides of
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and um so it was it was both sides of
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and um so it was it was both sides of that argument and I I can't help but
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that argument and I I can't help but
27:41
that argument and I I can't help but feel like the reason why we don't have
27:43
feel like the reason why we don't have
27:43
feel like the reason why we don't have those you know you know where are my
27:45
those you know you know where are my
27:45
those you know you know where are my flying cars but um you know where are my
27:48
flying cars but um you know where are my
27:48
flying cars but um you know where are my my you know relevant ads you know
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my you know relevant ads you know
27:51
my you know relevant ads you know that'll help me remember what I actually
27:53
that'll help me remember what I actually
27:53
that'll help me remember what I actually do need right um when I go to the store
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do need right um when I go to the store
27:56
do need right um when I go to the store instead of things that you know have no
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instead of things that you know have no
27:59
instead of things that you know have no relevance to me whatsoever I think it's
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relevance to me whatsoever I think it's
28:01
relevance to me whatsoever I think it's it's a little bit of a uh a combination
28:04
it's a little bit of a uh a combination
28:04
it's a little bit of a uh a combination with
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with
28:05
with um uh you know that that level of you
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um uh you know that that level of you
28:09
um uh you know that that level of you know the balance between fear and
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know the balance between fear and
28:12
know the balance between fear and excitement you know so yeah yeah uh it
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excitement you know so yeah yeah uh it
28:15
excitement you know so yeah yeah uh it it just goes back and forth yeah I I you
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it just goes back and forth yeah I I you
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it just goes back and forth yeah I I you know the the fear is warranted right but
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know the the fear is warranted right but
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know the the fear is warranted right but uh you know there's you know we've been
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uh you know there's you know we've been
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uh you know there's you know we've been watching movies forever about warning us
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watching movies forever about warning us
28:26
watching movies forever about warning us about the the the problem with uh you
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about the the the problem with uh you
28:29
about the the the problem with uh you know artificial intelligence right and
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know artificial intelligence right and
28:31
know artificial intelligence right and so it's kind of baked in right and and
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so it's kind of baked in right and and
28:35
so it's kind of baked in right and and and we're going to experience some of
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and we're going to experience some of
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and we're going to experience some of that for sure right and uh oh yeah uh
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that for sure right and uh oh yeah uh
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that for sure right and uh oh yeah uh but you know it's it's like being games
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but you know it's it's like being games
28:43
but you know it's it's like being games right it's like being afraid of the
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right it's like being afraid of the
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right it's like being afraid of the automobile or something right I'm sure
28:47
automobile or something right I'm sure
28:47
automobile or something right I'm sure maybe they were afraid about it maybe
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maybe they were afraid about it maybe
28:49
maybe they were afraid about it maybe they were afraid of the automobile when
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they were afraid of the automobile when
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they were afraid of the automobile when it came out right and just don't give AI
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it came out right and just don't give AI
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it came out right and just don't give AI Control of the global thermal nuclear
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Control of the global thermal nuclear
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Control of the global thermal nuclear weapons
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come on yeah yeah yeah there needs to be
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come on yeah yeah yeah there needs to be
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come on yeah yeah yeah there needs to be some kind of human check somewhere right
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some kind of human check somewhere right
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some kind of human check somewhere right absolutely yeah yeah or an off button or
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absolutely yeah yeah or an off button or
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absolutely yeah yeah or an off button or you know yeah disconnect button you
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you know yeah disconnect button you
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you know yeah disconnect button you know because I think even uh was it the
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know because I think even uh was it the
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know because I think even uh was it the latest
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latest
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latest uh no I think it was the latest Jennifer
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uh no I think it was the latest Jennifer
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uh no I think it was the latest Jennifer uh Lopez movie that just came out last
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uh Lopez movie that just came out last
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uh Lopez movie that just came out last last week on Netflix about I I think you
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last week on Netflix about I I think you
29:25
last week on Netflix about I I think you know they were uh uh
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know they were uh uh
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know they were uh uh I forgot where I was going but there's
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I forgot where I was going but there's
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I forgot where I was going but there's something with AI and her and and uh oh
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something with AI and her and and uh oh
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something with AI and her and and uh oh oh we've seen multiple shows you know
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oh we've seen multiple shows you know
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oh we've seen multiple shows you know say that you know a once AI learns how
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say that you know a once AI learns how
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say that you know a once AI learns how destructive we are right then it tries
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destructive we are right then it tries
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destructive we are right then it tries to either destroy us or or or take away
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to either destroy us or or or take away
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to either destroy us or or or take away all our rights right yeah yeah yeah it
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all our rights right yeah yeah yeah it
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all our rights right yeah yeah yeah it either wants to end us or Nerf us right
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either wants to end us or Nerf us right
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either wants to end us or Nerf us right right right and uh and uh you know I I
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right right and uh and uh you know I I
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right right and uh and uh you know I I actually don't blame Ai and tell a
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actually don't blame Ai and tell a
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actually don't blame Ai and tell a truth I
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truth I
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truth I mean it never that never seems to end
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mean it never that never seems to end
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mean it never that never seems to end but uh but yeah it's it's I always kind
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but uh but yeah it's it's I always kind
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but uh but yeah it's it's I always kind of like those shows because it kind of
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of like those shows because it kind of
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of like those shows because it kind of looks at you know this kind of problem
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looks at you know this kind of problem
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looks at you know this kind of problem from a different angle right yeah a more
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from a different angle right yeah a more
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from a different angle right yeah a more logical you know uh uh angle than you
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logical you know uh uh angle than you
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logical you know uh uh angle than you know what wars and and all these things
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know what wars and and all these things
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know what wars and and all these things really are based on it's not much logic
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really are based on it's not much logic
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really are based on it's not much logic going on there right and uh and uh so
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going on there right and uh and uh so
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going on there right and uh and uh so anyway um we're getting off track now
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anyway um we're getting off track now
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anyway um we're getting off track now but that's okay but uh but yeah co-pilot
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but that's okay but uh but yeah co-pilot
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but that's okay but uh but yeah co-pilot you know all of you watching co-pilot is
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you know all of you watching co-pilot is
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you know all of you watching co-pilot is going to be in everything soon you know
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going to be in everything soon you know
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going to be in everything soon you know uh I I for one was kind of surprised uh
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uh I I for one was kind of surprised uh
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uh I I for one was kind of surprised uh at the build conference just how much uh
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at the build conference just how much uh
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at the build conference just how much uh copilot is going to be in freaking
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copilot is going to be in freaking
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copilot is going to be in freaking everything right I knew they're working
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everything right I knew they're working
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everything right I knew they're working on it I know it's in Visual Studio I've
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on it I know it's in Visual Studio I've
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on it I know it's in Visual Studio I've been using it but it just seems like
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been using it but it just seems like
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been using it but it just seems like it's coming in every single Microsoft
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it's coming in every single Microsoft
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it's coming in every single Microsoft product somehow right yes yeah and
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product somehow right yes yeah and
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product somehow right yes yeah and they've it it really on some level I
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they've it it really on some level I
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they've it it really on some level I find myself feeling like it it shouldn't
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find myself feeling like it it shouldn't
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find myself feeling like it it shouldn't totally be a surprise just because
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totally be a surprise just because
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totally be a surprise just because Microsoft has been on this trajectory
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Microsoft has been on this trajectory
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Microsoft has been on this trajectory for 30 years yeah yeah so it's like all
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for 30 years yeah yeah so it's like all
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for 30 years yeah yeah so it's like all right we we always kind of knew that we
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right we we always kind of knew that we
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right we we always kind of knew that we were headed that
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were headed that
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were headed that way um and chat GPT really just kind of
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way um and chat GPT really just kind of
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way um and chat GPT really just kind of opened that up and and got people to you
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opened that up and and got people to you
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opened that up and and got people to you know start playing with it you know
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know start playing with it you know
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know start playing with it you know being less afraid of it you know
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being less afraid of it you know
31:31
being less afraid of it you know understanding what it's really actually
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understanding what it's really actually
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understanding what it's really actually capable of what it's not capable of um
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capable of what it's not capable of um
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capable of what it's not capable of um you know and all that stuff so it it
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you know and all that stuff so it it
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you know and all that stuff so it it really feels a little bit like you know
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really feels a little bit like you know
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really feels a little bit like you know sort of those those little features the
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sort of those those little features the
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sort of those those little features the uh you know uh the adaptive cruise
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uh you know uh the adaptive cruise
31:47
uh you know uh the adaptive cruise control and the you know this the lane
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control and the you know this the lane
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control and the you know this the lane departure warnings and and uh nudges
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departure warnings and and uh nudges
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departure warnings and and uh nudges with the steering wheel and stuff like
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with the steering wheel and stuff like
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with the steering wheel and stuff like that so um but yeah it it really was you
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that so um but yeah it it really was you
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that so um but yeah it it really was you know at build 2024 um co-pilot really is
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know at build 2024 um co-pilot really is
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know at build 2024 um co-pilot really is everything I mean right down to the bare
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everything I mean right down to the bare
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everything I mean right down to the bare metal of the platform now so yeah yeah
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metal of the platform now so yeah yeah
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metal of the platform now so yeah yeah um that's
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um that's
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um that's a a big step for folks who are used to
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a a big step for folks who are used to
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a a big step for folks who are used to it being a sidecar feature yeah so so
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it being a sidecar feature yeah so so
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it being a sidecar feature yeah so so are are you aware of any other uh uh
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are are you aware of any other uh uh
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are are you aware of any other uh uh computer companies like apple or or
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computer companies like apple or or
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computer companies like apple or or somebody like that also working on an AI
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somebody like that also working on an AI
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somebody like that also working on an AI computer so it's it I I've been thinking
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computer so it's it I I've been thinking
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computer so it's it I I've been thinking about that too because um Microsoft
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about that too because um Microsoft
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about that too because um Microsoft spent so much time getting out from
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spent so much time getting out from
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spent so much time getting out from under the uh umbrella of being a
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under the uh umbrella of being a
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under the uh umbrella of being a monopoly uh you know for you know they
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monopoly uh you know for you know they
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monopoly uh you know for you know they spent so long being Shackled to the FTC
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spent so long being Shackled to the FTC
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spent so long being Shackled to the FTC to to um deal with that and now here
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to to um deal with that and now here
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to to um deal with that and now here they are kind of doing something that
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they are kind of doing something that
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they are kind of doing something that nobody else is really doing they're
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nobody else is really doing they're
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nobody else is really doing they're innovating in a way that's very bold and
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innovating in a way that's very bold and
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innovating in a way that's very bold and and very um almost
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and very um almost
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and very um almost daring um and I don't see apple really
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daring um and I don't see apple really
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daring um and I don't see apple really doing this um Siri is still Siri um I
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doing this um Siri is still Siri um I
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doing this um Siri is still Siri um I never use it yeah yeah well every time I
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never use it yeah yeah well every time I
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never use it yeah yeah well every time I try to use it I you know I I oh of
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try to use it I you know I I oh of
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try to use it I you know I I oh of course because I've said it I'm just
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course because I've said it I'm just
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course because I've said it I'm just noticing my phone is now listening to me
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noticing my phone is now listening to me
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noticing my phone is now listening to me of course um sorry Siri but anyway um
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of course um sorry Siri but anyway um
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of course um sorry Siri but anyway um yeah
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yeah
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yeah So it's talking to me now but anyway um
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So it's talking to me now but anyway um
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So it's talking to me now but anyway um it it just I don't see any other company
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it it just I don't see any other company
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it it just I don't see any other company really in a position even to do what
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really in a position even to do what
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really in a position even to do what Microsoft is doing with this um you know
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Microsoft is doing with this um you know
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Microsoft is doing with this um you know it's like well Apple's not there Google
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it's like well Apple's not there Google
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it's like well Apple's not there Google doesn't really have the opportunity
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doesn't really have the opportunity
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doesn't really have the opportunity their their you know Chromebooks aren't
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their their you know Chromebooks aren't
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their their you know Chromebooks aren't you know they just don't have the
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you know they just don't have the
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you know they just don't have the horsepower and we're never designed
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horsepower and we're never designed
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horsepower and we're never designed to um you know so so who else who else
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to um you know so so who else who else
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to um you know so so who else who else might even get in on the game and and I
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might even get in on the game and and I
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might even get in on the game and and I do worry a little bit about that because
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do worry a little bit about that because
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do worry a little bit about that because I think of the the rule of
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I think of the the rule of
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I think of the the rule of nines um I'm I'm not sure if you're
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nines um I'm I'm not sure if you're
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nines um I'm I'm not sure if you're familiar with it but uh you know the the
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familiar with it but uh you know the the
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familiar with it but uh you know the the idea that the the first company to
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idea that the the first company to
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idea that the the first company to Market um ends up introducing the
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Market um ends up introducing the
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Market um ends up introducing the audience to a product right and then the
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audience to a product right and then the
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audience to a product right and then the second company comes out and dominates
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second company comes out and dominates
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second company comes out and dominates it right right so this is actually what
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it right right so this is actually what
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it right right so this is actually what happened with you know the Macintosh and
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happened with you know the Macintosh and
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happened with you know the Macintosh and windows so so Microsoft got the 90%
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windows so so Microsoft got the 90%
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windows so so Microsoft got the 90% Apple got the 9% and then everything
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Apple got the 9% and then everything
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Apple got the 9% and then everything else was the 0. N you know so so um you
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else was the 0. N you know so so um you
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else was the 0. N you know so so um you know then the iPhone kind of did
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know then the iPhone kind of did
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know then the iPhone kind of did something similar the iPhone came out
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something similar the iPhone came out
34:46
something similar the iPhone came out and then Android came out and you know
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and then Android came out and you know
34:49
and then Android came out and you know became the
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became the
34:50
became the 90% right and then everything else rest
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90% right and then everything else rest
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90% right and then everything else rest in peace Windows phone um but uh you
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in peace Windows phone um but uh you
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in peace Windows phone um but uh you know became the 0.1% and um you know so
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know became the 0.1% and um you know so
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know became the 0.1% and um you know so I'm a little bit curious to see how that
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I'm a little bit curious to see how that
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I'm a little bit curious to see how that might play out in this market where
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might play out in this market where
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might play out in this market where Microsoft is first this
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Microsoft is first this
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Microsoft is first this time I don't see anyone even really on
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time I don't see anyone even really on
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time I don't see anyone even really on the horizon to challenge them I mean um
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the horizon to challenge them I mean um
35:15
the horizon to challenge them I mean um you know of course other companies could
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you know of course other companies could
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you know of course other companies could you know Nvidia it certainly has the
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you know Nvidia it certainly has the
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you know Nvidia it certainly has the hardware for it um you know Intel could
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hardware for it um you know Intel could
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hardware for it um you know Intel could potentially come along with
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potentially come along with
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potentially come along with something uh who else AMD maybe um it
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something uh who else AMD maybe um it
35:29
something uh who else AMD maybe um it would take a a hardware heavy you know
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would take a a hardware heavy you know
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would take a a hardware heavy you know organization to do that yeah um you know
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organization to do that yeah um you know
35:36
organization to do that yeah um you know and and potentially any of the PC makers
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and and potentially any of the PC makers
35:38
and and potentially any of the PC makers could you know come out with some kind
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could you know come out with some kind
35:40
could you know come out with some kind of challenge but I I don't really I
35:43
of challenge but I I don't really I
35:43
of challenge but I I don't really I don't see Dell for example coming out
35:45
don't see Dell for example coming out
35:45
don't see Dell for example coming out with a new operating system or you know
35:48
with a new operating system or you know
35:48
with a new operating system or you know something like that Windows is too well
35:50
something like that Windows is too well
35:50
something like that Windows is too well established at that point and on that
35:54
established at that point and on that
35:54
established at that point and on that level it was probably a very smart move
35:57
level it was probably a very smart move
35:57
level it was probably a very smart move on Microsoft's part to bake it into the
35:59
on Microsoft's part to bake it into the
35:59
on Microsoft's part to bake it into the operating system because you know now
36:04
operating system because you know now
36:04
operating system because you know now it's I I hate to say it it kind of
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it's I I hate to say it it kind of
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it's I I hate to say it it kind of reminds me of what Microsoft did with
36:08
reminds me of what Microsoft did with
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reminds me of what Microsoft did with Internet Explorer back in the day when
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Internet Explorer back in the day when
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Internet Explorer back in the day when they baked it into the operating
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they baked it into the operating
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they baked it into the operating system look at all the problems they had
36:15
system look at all the problems they had
36:15
system look at all the problems they had because of that right exactly they had
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because of that right exactly they had
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because of that right exactly they had so many issues with that just because
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so many issues with that just because
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so many issues with that just because you know you know Windows came
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you know you know Windows came
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you know you know Windows came pre-loaded with Internet Explorer all
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pre-loaded with Internet Explorer all
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pre-loaded with Internet Explorer all the other companies are just so upset
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the other companies are just so upset
36:27
the other companies are just so upset about that right and and there are other
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about that right and and there are other
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about that right and and there are other concerns that they have to worry about
36:31
concerns that they have to worry about
36:31
concerns that they have to worry about too like um you know so here's Microsoft
36:34
too like um you know so here's Microsoft
36:34
too like um you know so here's Microsoft and they're they're basically slurping
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and they're they're basically slurping
36:35
and they're they're basically slurping up all the the sum of of human knowledge
36:38
up all the the sum of of human knowledge
36:38
up all the the sum of of human knowledge off the internet and okay so you know
36:41
off the internet and okay so you know
36:41
off the internet and okay so you know these companies have made this content
36:43
these companies have made this content
36:43
these companies have made this content available publicly and
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available publicly and
36:45
available publicly and free um so you know you can go and visit
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free um so you know you can go and visit
36:49
free um so you know you can go and visit a website and read the content off of it
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a website and read the content off of it
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a website and read the content off of it but so can their Ai and and Microsoft is
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but so can their Ai and and Microsoft is
36:55
but so can their Ai and and Microsoft is is able to absorb and then expose all of
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is able to absorb and then expose all of
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is able to absorb and then expose all of that content in their own chat window
37:02
that content in their own chat window
37:02
that content in their own chat window instead of directing you to their
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instead of directing you to their
37:04
instead of directing you to their website yeah yeah so you know there's
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website yeah yeah so you know there's
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website yeah yeah so you know there's there's some legal you know concerns and
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there's some legal you know concerns and
37:11
there's some legal you know concerns and challenges ongoing with that kind of
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challenges ongoing with that kind of
37:13
challenges ongoing with that kind of thing but um but so far they've managed
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thing but um but so far they've managed
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thing but um but so far they've managed to navigate that so yeah um it's it's
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to navigate that so yeah um it's it's
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to navigate that so yeah um it's it's pretty impressive and I I for what you
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pretty impressive and I I for what you
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pretty impressive and I I for what you know I use AI pretty much almost every
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know I use AI pretty much almost every
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know I use AI pretty much almost every day right and uh I'm a heavy user of
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day right and uh I'm a heavy user of
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day right and uh I'm a heavy user of chat GPT uh because that's what I use to
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chat GPT uh because that's what I use to
37:30
chat GPT uh because that's what I use to edit my books now and uh because I can't
37:33
edit my books now and uh because I can't
37:33
edit my books now and uh because I can't pay for an editor right so I I use chat
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pay for an editor right so I I use chat
37:35
pay for an editor right so I I use chat TPT I don't have it write my book I have
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TPT I don't have it write my book I have
37:38
TPT I don't have it write my book I have it just edited make me sound better just
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it just edited make me sound better just
37:40
it just edited make me sound better just like any other editor but
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like any other editor but
37:43
like any other editor but um but um uh now I forgot where gosh
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um but um uh now I forgot where gosh
37:48
um but um uh now I forgot where gosh dang it I had a brain fart again two two
37:51
dang it I had a brain fart again two two
37:51
dang it I had a brain fart again two two in one show uh I forgot where I was
37:53
in one show uh I forgot where I was
37:53
in one show uh I forgot where I was going but uh but chat TBT has it's like
37:57
going but uh but chat TBT has it's like
37:57
going but uh but chat TBT has it's like you said has really kind of opened up
37:59
you said has really kind of opened up
37:59
you said has really kind of opened up the doors for the general public I would
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the doors for the general public I would
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the doors for the general public I would say right unleash the hounds yeah right
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say right unleash the hounds yeah right
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say right unleash the hounds yeah right because anybody can go try it now you
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because anybody can go try it now you
38:06
because anybody can go try it now you don't have to pay for it currently you
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don't have to pay for it currently you
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don't have to pay for it currently you don't have to pay for it and uh you can
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don't have to pay for it and uh you can
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don't have to pay for it and uh you can try it out oh I remember I was going to
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try it out oh I remember I was going to
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try it out oh I remember I was going to say you know I like it so much better
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say you know I like it so much better
38:15
say you know I like it so much better than search engines tell yeah oh my gosh
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than search engines tell yeah oh my gosh
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than search engines tell yeah oh my gosh no I I'll I'm sure they'll figure out
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no I I'll I'm sure they'll figure out
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no I I'll I'm sure they'll figure out how to put ads in the future but it it
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how to put ads in the future but it it
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how to put ads in the future but it it just tells you the information I don't
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just tells you the information I don't
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just tells you the information I don't have to scroll through pages and pages
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have to scroll through pages and pages
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have to scroll through pages and pages and cl clicking on 20 articles that
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and cl clicking on 20 articles that
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and cl clicking on 20 articles that don't have nothing to do with what I
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don't have nothing to do with what I
38:34
don't have nothing to do with what I search for right and search engines have
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search for right and search engines have
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search for right and search engines have always upset me because it just shows me
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always upset me because it just shows me
38:40
always upset me because it just shows me stuff I it's not even there I I didn't
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stuff I it's not even there I I didn't
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stuff I it's not even there I I didn't even look for right yeah and I'm even
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even look for right yeah and I'm even
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even look for right yeah and I'm even talking about job uh sites too looking
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talking about job uh sites too looking
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talking about job uh sites too looking for a job same thing it they're terrible
38:50
for a job same thing it they're terrible
38:50
for a job same thing it they're terrible right yeah and um like I put in C I get
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right yeah and um like I put in C I get
38:54
right yeah and um like I put in C I get almost everything but C right and it
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almost everything but C right and it
38:57
almost everything but C right and it it's
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it's
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it's it's in the beginning c wouldn't even
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it's in the beginning c wouldn't even
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it's in the beginning c wouldn't even work because of the pound sign right and
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work because of the pound sign right and
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work because of the pound sign right and uh yeah and they finally fixed that but
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uh yeah and they finally fixed that but
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uh yeah and they finally fixed that but uh but I am looking forward to using not
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uh but I am looking forward to using not
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uh but I am looking forward to using not using Google anymore or even being you
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using Google anymore or even being you
39:12
using Google anymore or even being you know and just use something like
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know and just use something like
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know and just use something like co-pilot to look up stuff and you know I
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co-pilot to look up stuff and you know I
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co-pilot to look up stuff and you know I know they've added co-pilot into Edge
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know they've added co-pilot into Edge
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know they've added co-pilot into Edge and and uh it works okay you know I
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and and uh it works okay you know I
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and and uh it works okay you know I haven't had the best uh luck with it so
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haven't had the best uh luck with it so
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haven't had the best uh luck with it so far chat gbt still seems to work better
39:27
far chat gbt still seems to work better
39:27
far chat gbt still seems to work better for me but
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for me but
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for me but um but yeah it's it's
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um but yeah it's it's
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um but yeah it's it's coming AI we're all using AI if you have
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coming AI we're all using AI if you have
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coming AI we're all using AI if you have Alexa in your or or Google home or
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Alexa in your or or Google home or
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Alexa in your or or Google home or whatever you have ai in your home
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whatever you have ai in your home
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whatever you have ai in your home already to be fair actually if you've
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already to be fair actually if you've
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already to be fair actually if you've ever gone through like Netflix for
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ever gone through like Netflix for
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ever gone through like Netflix for example you've been using AI it's it's
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example you've been using AI it's it's
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example you've been using AI it's it's actually a lot more pervasive than most
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actually a lot more pervasive than most
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actually a lot more pervasive than most people
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people
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people realize you know it it's very good at
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realize you know it it's very good at
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realize you know it it's very good at you know seeing what you been interested
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you know seeing what you been interested
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you know seeing what you been interested in the past and making recommendations
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in the past and making recommendations
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in the past and making recommendations based on that but that's also one of its
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based on that but that's also one of its
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based on that but that's also one of its weaknesses is um uh this was a
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weaknesses is um uh this was a
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weaknesses is um uh this was a conversation I had with a with a bunch
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conversation I had with a with a bunch
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conversation I had with a with a bunch of students at uh actually at Southern
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of students at uh actually at Southern
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of students at uh actually at Southern New Hampshire University relatively
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New Hampshire University relatively
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New Hampshire University relatively recently um they were like how do we how
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recently um they were like how do we how
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recently um they were like how do we how do we keep our jobs you know going
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do we keep our jobs you know going
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do we keep our jobs you know going forward with this and and so you know my
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forward with this and and so you know my
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forward with this and and so you know my my uh recommendation to them was to
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my uh recommendation to them was to
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my uh recommendation to them was to recognize that um chat GPT and
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recognize that um chat GPT and
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recognize that um chat GPT and artificial intelligence is very
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artificial intelligence is very
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artificial intelligence is very historically um well what's what's the
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historically um well what's what's the
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historically um well what's what's the term it's very history Centric right um
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term it's very history Centric right um
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term it's very history Centric right um it knows where you know things have been
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it knows where you know things have been
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it knows where you know things have been statistically it it keeps track of that
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statistically it it keeps track of that
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statistically it it keeps track of that information and um when you ask it a
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information and um when you ask it a
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information and um when you ask it a question it draws on probabilities based
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question it draws on probabilities based
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question it draws on probabilities based on what has happened in the past so the
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on what has happened in the past so the
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on what has happened in the past so the the real relevance going forward in the
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the real relevance going forward in the
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the real relevance going forward in the future in a in a world where you know
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future in a in a world where you know
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future in a in a world where you know artificial intelligence has a very long
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artificial intelligence has a very long
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artificial intelligence has a very long memory and and very good at um
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memory and and very good at um
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memory and and very good at um calculating statistical
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calculating statistical
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calculating statistical probabilities is to really come up with
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probabilities is to really come up with
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probabilities is to really come up with something that AI has never seen before
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something that AI has never seen before
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something that AI has never seen before and and we actually see this in
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and and we actually see this in
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and and we actually see this in programming
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programming
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programming especially um anytime you start working
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especially um anytime you start working
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especially um anytime you start working with a programming language that um that
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with a programming language that um that
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with a programming language that um that there isn't much history for in you know
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there isn't much history for in you know
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there isn't much history for in you know like GitHub for example yeah yeah it's
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like GitHub for example yeah yeah it's
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like GitHub for example yeah yeah it's useless yeah you can't ask at a thing
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useless yeah you can't ask at a thing
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useless yeah you can't ask at a thing because it is not gonna help you yeah
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because it is not gonna help you yeah
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because it is not gonna help you yeah and and and I use the free version of
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and and and I use the free version of
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and and and I use the free version of chat gbt uh currently and and I do plan
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chat gbt uh currently and and I do plan
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chat gbt uh currently and and I do plan to pay for it but right now I'm using a
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to pay for it but right now I'm using a
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to pay for it but right now I'm using a free version and that's what at least
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free version and that's what at least
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free version and that's what at least two years old so if you ask it you know
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two years old so if you ask it you know
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two years old so if you ask it you know anything on like net8 it can answer it
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anything on like net8 it can answer it
41:51
anything on like net8 it can answer it for you right and because it just came
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for you right and because it just came
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for you right and because it just came out and so yeah there's there's that
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out and so yeah there's there's that
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out and so yeah there's there's that history issue right now that you know
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history issue right now that you know
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history issue right now that you know it's not real time some of it is but
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it's not real time some of it is but
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it's not real time some of it is but most mostly it's not real time it's it's
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most mostly it's not real time it's it's
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most mostly it's not real time it's it's just history right I I actually had that
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just history right I I actually had that
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just history right I I actually had that issue just last night I wanted to play
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issue just last night I wanted to play
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issue just last night I wanted to play with um so net a added um uh key
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with um so net a added um uh key
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with um so net a added um uh key dependency injection which I I wanted to
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dependency injection which I I wanted to
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dependency injection which I I wanted to play with and it you know I asked it I
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play with and it you know I asked it I
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play with and it you know I asked it I said all right what does what does that
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said all right what does what does that
42:22
said all right what does what does that look like I haven't haven't touched it
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look like I haven't haven't touched it
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look like I haven't haven't touched it yet so it came up with some suggestion
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yet so it came up with some suggestion
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yet so it came up with some suggestion that were completely wrong yeah and I'm
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that were completely wrong yeah and I'm
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that were completely wrong yeah and I'm like you know this is this is in
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like you know this is this is in
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like you know this is this is in co-pilot you know from you know from
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co-pilot you know from you know from
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co-pilot you know from you know from GitHub but you know it just doesn't have
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GitHub but you know it just doesn't have
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GitHub but you know it just doesn't have the history yet to be able to actually
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the history yet to be able to actually
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the history yet to be able to actually suggest the right answers
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suggest the right answers
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suggest the right answers so isn't great running Cod either you
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so isn't great running Cod either you
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so isn't great running Cod either you know yeah yeah so so keep innovating you
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know yeah yeah so so keep innovating you
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know yeah yeah so so keep innovating you know keep keep coming up with new things
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know keep keep coming up with new things
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know keep keep coming up with new things um you know in a way that's a a good and
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um you know in a way that's a a good and
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um you know in a way that's a a good and a bad because if you want consistency
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a bad because if you want consistency
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a bad because if you want consistency and reliability and stuff like that rely
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and reliability and stuff like that rely
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and reliability and stuff like that rely on the old standards but um but in a
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on the old standards but um but in a
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on the old standards but um but in a world where you know these these
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world where you know these these
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world where you know these these machines know what we've what we've been
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machines know what we've what we've been
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machines know what we've what we've been doing um you know you you you know if
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doing um you know you you you know if
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doing um you know you you you know if you want to keep that edge you know
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you want to keep that edge you know
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you want to keep that edge you know that's all about Innovation so yeah
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that's all about Innovation so yeah
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that's all about Innovation so yeah doesn't matter what field you're in
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doesn't matter what field you're in
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doesn't matter what field you're in there do did you feel that uh any the
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there do did you feel that uh any the
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there do did you feel that uh any the and I know this probably differs on how
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and I know this probably differs on how
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and I know this probably differs on how long long you've been in in the tech
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long long you've been in in the tech
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long long you've been in in the tech world but you know um when you were at
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world but you know um when you were at
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world but you know um when you were at the build conference last week did you
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the build conference last week did you
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the build conference last week did you notice anybody like being worried about
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notice anybody like being worried about
43:35
notice anybody like being worried about chat TPT taking their jobs or you know
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chat TPT taking their jobs or you know
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chat TPT taking their jobs or you know making it harder to get jobs or things
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making it harder to get jobs or things
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making it harder to get jobs or things like that so so I think that that's a
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like that so so I think that that's a
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like that so so I think that that's a little bit of a bubble audience pretty
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little bit of a bubble audience pretty
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little bit of a bubble audience pretty much everybody there was there because
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much everybody there was there because
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much everybody there was there because they're excited about what's going on
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they're excited about what's going on
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they're excited about what's going on and they want to be a part of it and I
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and they want to be a part of it and I
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and they want to be a part of it and I you know I'm totally there with that I
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you know I'm totally there with that I
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you know I'm totally there with that I mean I I tell people Microsoft build is
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mean I I tell people Microsoft build is
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mean I I tell people Microsoft build is my tribe
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my tribe
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my tribe um yeah so I absolutely love being there
43:59
um yeah so I absolutely love being there
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um yeah so I absolutely love being there but there's there's a fair amount of
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but there's there's a fair amount of
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but there's there's a fair amount of that since being at build I've I've
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that since being at build I've I've
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that since being at build I've I've noticed a little bit more of that
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noticed a little bit more of that
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noticed a little bit more of that there's there's
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there's there's
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there's there's definitely um sense of fear a little bit
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definitely um sense of fear a little bit
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definitely um sense of fear a little bit of mistrust um and and that's kind of
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of mistrust um and and that's kind of
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of mistrust um and and that's kind of natural unfortunately it's human nature
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natural unfortunately it's human nature
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natural unfortunately it's human nature to be um well it's it's also a survival
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to be um well it's it's also a survival
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to be um well it's it's also a survival thing
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thing
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thing too well anytime there's a big
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too well anytime there's a big
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too well anytime there's a big revolution in our history this happens
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revolution in our history this happens
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revolution in our history this happens right it happens every single time the
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right it happens every single time the
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right it happens every single time the industrial re Revolution the computer
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industrial re Revolution the computer
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industrial re Revolution the computer Revolution you know the
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Revolution you know the
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Revolution you know the internet yeah yeah and I still can't
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internet yeah yeah and I still can't
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internet yeah yeah and I still can't believe people don't think
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believe people don't think
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believe people don't think that but but I I don't know about you
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that but but I I don't know about you
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that but but I I don't know about you and I'll let you say what you think but
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and I'll let you say what you think but
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and I'll let you say what you think but you know
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you know
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you know I I was kind of caught up in the fear in
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I I was kind of caught up in the fear in
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I I was kind of caught up in the fear in the beginning but then I you know I I
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the beginning but then I you know I I
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the beginning but then I you know I I looked at it well I thought about it for
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looked at it well I thought about it for
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looked at it well I thought about it for a little bit and I go you know AI is
44:58
a little bit and I go you know AI is
44:58
a little bit and I go you know AI is just a tool right it's just you know I
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just a tool right it's just you know I
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just a tool right it's just you know I look forward to AI because I want to
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look forward to AI because I want to
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look forward to AI because I want to write less code right because we really
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write less code right because we really
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write less code right because we really should be out of the job of of writing
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should be out of the job of of writing
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should be out of the job of of writing the same boilerplate crap over and over
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the same boilerplate crap over and over
45:12
the same boilerplate crap over and over again I mean that's why you know we all
45:14
again I mean that's why you know we all
45:14
again I mean that's why you know we all have libraries you know I have sparge in
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have libraries you know I have sparge in
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have libraries you know I have sparge in my spon libraries right it's all this
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my spon libraries right it's all this
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my spon libraries right it's all this common stuff I've been writing since
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common stuff I've been writing since
45:20
common stuff I've been writing since done that too right and
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done that too right and
45:23
done that too right and um and so you know
45:27
um and so you know
45:27
um and so you know I I think a lot of coders think that you
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I I think a lot of coders think that you
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I I think a lot of coders think that you know coding is is our job and it's not
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know coding is is our job and it's not
45:32
know coding is is our job and it's not really you know our job is you know
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really you know our job is you know
45:35
really you know our job is you know solving problems or creating features
45:38
solving problems or creating features
45:38
solving problems or creating features you know to run on a computer to sell
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you know to run on a computer to sell
45:41
you know to run on a computer to sell product right that's that's our job
45:43
product right that's that's our job
45:43
product right that's that's our job right and or to sell a service and uh
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right and or to sell a service and uh
45:46
right and or to sell a service and uh and and the more time we can focus on
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and and the more time we can focus on
45:49
and and the more time we can focus on features and requirements and things
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features and requirements and things
45:51
features and requirements and things like that which which lately you know
45:54
like that which which lately you know
45:54
like that which which lately you know the last decade or more has gotten
45:57
the last decade or more has gotten
45:57
the last decade or more has gotten right uh because of all the stuff
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right uh because of all the stuff
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right uh because of all the stuff they're piling onto self kind of forcing
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they're piling onto self kind of forcing
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they're piling onto self kind of forcing software developers to do these days you
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software developers to do these days you
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software developers to do these days you know I'm I'm looking forward to doing
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know I'm I'm looking forward to doing
46:08
know I'm I'm looking forward to doing less code and just saying hey I need to
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less code and just saying hey I need to
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less code and just saying hey I need to do blah blah blah you write the code
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do blah blah blah you write the code
46:12
do blah blah blah you write the code I'll check it of course and uh or we'll
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I'll check it of course and uh or we'll
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I'll check it of course and uh or we'll have something else check it but um uh
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have something else check it but um uh
46:19
have something else check it but um uh but I want to write less code I want to
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but I want to write less code I want to
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but I want to write less code I want to solve more problems that's where I get
46:23
solve more problems that's where I get
46:24
solve more problems that's where I get my joy my joy isn't writing code yeah my
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my joy my joy isn't writing code yeah my
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my joy my joy isn't writing code yeah my joy is smiles on people's faces when I
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joy is smiles on people's faces when I
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joy is smiles on people's faces when I deliver an application that they love
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deliver an application that they love
46:32
deliver an application that they love right that to me
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right that to me
46:34
right that to me is right and I've I've talked and
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is right and I've I've talked and
46:37
is right and I've I've talked and written about this many many times and
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written about this many many times and
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written about this many many times and that's always my my favorite part of my
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that's always my my favorite part of my
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that's always my my favorite part of my job is that right yes oh I totally
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job is that right yes oh I totally
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job is that right yes oh I totally understand it's it's funny because I see
46:47
understand it's it's funny because I see
46:47
understand it's it's funny because I see I see companies out there do some
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I see companies out there do some
46:50
I see companies out there do some relatively tricky things like um I've
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relatively tricky things like um I've
46:54
relatively tricky things like um I've seen relatively large companies build
46:56
seen relatively large companies build
46:56
seen relatively large companies build their own um software development
47:00
their own um software development
47:00
their own um software development platform and and it's Facebook Facebook
47:02
platform and and it's Facebook Facebook
47:02
platform and and it's Facebook Facebook did that right yeah but I mean I mean in
47:05
did that right yeah but I mean I mean in
47:05
did that right yeah but I mean I mean in this day and age it's like okay so
47:08
this day and age it's like okay so
47:08
this day and age it's like okay so there's there's some Edge to that but
47:11
there's there's some Edge to that but
47:11
there's there's some Edge to that but right they're not good edges you know
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right they're not good edges you know
47:13
right they're not good edges you know when I stop and think about it like um a
47:15
when I stop and think about it like um a
47:15
when I stop and think about it like um a couple of the companies that I worked
47:17
couple of the companies that I worked
47:17
couple of the companies that I worked for um did some some development for
47:20
for um did some some development for
47:20
for um did some some development for they had actually developed their own
47:22
they had actually developed their own
47:22
they had actually developed their own presentation uh
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presentation uh
47:24
presentation uh language and in order to to work for
47:27
language and in order to to work for
47:27
language and in order to to work for them you had to know their language and
47:30
them you had to know their language and
47:30
them you had to know their language and while you were working on their language
47:33
while you were working on their language
47:33
while you were working on their language you were letting all of your other more
47:35
you were letting all of your other more
47:35
you were letting all of your other more marketable skills go to waste yeah and
47:39
marketable skills go to waste yeah and
47:39
marketable skills go to waste yeah and and so what you end up with is a
47:41
and so what you end up with is a
47:41
and so what you end up with is a situation where you end up locked into
47:43
situation where you end up locked into
47:43
situation where you end up locked into working for them because you suddenly
47:45
working for them because you suddenly
47:45
working for them because you suddenly have this gap on your resume where
47:47
have this gap on your resume where
47:47
have this gap on your resume where you're working on this uh thing called
47:51
you're working on this uh thing called
47:51
you're working on this uh thing called well for lack of a better term I I'll
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well for lack of a better term I I'll
47:54
well for lack of a better term I I'll call it fire spark but um to protect the
47:57
call it fire spark but um to protect the
47:58
call it fire spark but um to protect the innocent I guess um you know this thing
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innocent I guess um you know this thing
48:01
innocent I guess um you know this thing that nobody else has ever heard of and
48:03
that nobody else has ever heard of and
48:03
that nobody else has ever heard of and you can't translate that to a marketable
48:05
you can't translate that to a marketable
48:05
you can't translate that to a marketable skill yeah I think about people going to
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skill yeah I think about people going to
48:09
skill yeah I think about people going to Facebook I know Facebook pays a lot of
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Facebook I know Facebook pays a lot of
48:11
Facebook I know Facebook pays a lot of great money and and if you want to go
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great money and and if you want to go
48:13
great money and and if you want to go there and stay there great but if you
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there and stay there great but if you
48:15
there and stay there great but if you want to go there and learn something and
48:17
want to go there and learn something and
48:17
want to go there and learn something and then go somewhere else you're it's not
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then go somewhere else you're it's not
48:19
then go somewhere else you're it's not going to work out very well for you
48:21
going to work out very well for you
48:21
going to work out very well for you right because nothing they do there you
48:24
right because nothing they do there you
48:24
right because nothing they do there you can use on the outside right because
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can use on the outside right because
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can use on the outside right because it's all proprietary OS yeah and and
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it's all proprietary OS yeah and and
48:29
it's all proprietary OS yeah and and software right yeah and and that you
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software right yeah and and that you
48:32
software right yeah and and that you know that even you know uh sometimes
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know that even you know uh sometimes
48:36
know that even you know uh sometimes when I'm interviewing people you know
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when I'm interviewing people you know
48:38
when I'm interviewing people you know and depending where they're coming from
48:40
and depending where they're coming from
48:40
and depending where they're coming from you know I I know
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you know I I know
48:42
you know I I know certain uh how do you say this at
48:45
certain uh how do you say this at
48:45
certain uh how do you say this at certain uh uh Industries you know you
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certain uh uh Industries you know you
48:49
certain uh uh Industries you know you don't learn near as much you know to be
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don't learn near as much you know to be
48:52
don't learn near as much you know to be marketable uh on the outside that you as
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marketable uh on the outside that you as
48:55
marketable uh on the outside that you as you do in other Industries
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you do in other Industries
48:57
you do in other Industries I I I'm all talking about tech but I'm
48:59
I I I'm all talking about tech but I'm
48:59
I I I'm all talking about tech but I'm talking about different part areas of
49:02
talking about different part areas of
49:02
talking about different part areas of tech right
49:03
tech right
49:03
tech right is it's it's difficult sometimes where
49:06
is it's it's difficult sometimes where
49:06
is it's it's difficult sometimes where you actually can lose and I've even told
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you actually can lose and I've even told
49:08
you actually can lose and I've even told people you need to leave this company
49:10
people you need to leave this company
49:10
people you need to leave this company right because you're not going to be
49:12
right because you're not going to be
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right because you're not going to be marketable once you leave here I'm
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marketable once you leave here I'm
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marketable once you leave here I'm telling you right now you need to leave
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telling you right now you need to leave
49:16
telling you right now you need to leave and for your own future right getting
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and for your own future right getting
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and for your own future right getting getting back to the original topic too
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getting back to the original topic too
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getting back to the original topic too co-pilot is absolutely useless for that
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co-pilot is absolutely useless for that
49:24
co-pilot is absolutely useless for that kind of stuff unless unless unless you
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kind of stuff unless unless unless you
49:27
kind of stuff unless unless unless you take the time and effort to like really
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take the time and effort to like really
49:30
take the time and effort to like really you know figure out how to to tune your
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you know figure out how to to tune your
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you know figure out how to to tune your your co-pilot models to take advantage
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your co-pilot models to take advantage
49:36
your co-pilot models to take advantage of that but that's still something
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of that but that's still something
49:38
of that but that's still something that's you know people are figuring out
49:41
that's you know people are figuring out
49:41
that's you know people are figuring out how to do and and stuff like that and
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how to do and and stuff like that and
49:43
how to do and and stuff like that and it's it's never a great story because
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it's it's never a great story because
49:46
it's it's never a great story because you just don't have the code history
49:48
you just don't have the code history
49:48
you just don't have the code history it's it's all you know good news it's
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it's it's all you know good news it's
49:51
it's it's all you know good news it's Innovation but uh you know you're you're
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Innovation but uh you know you're you're
49:55
Innovation but uh you know you're you're going to end up kind of out in the with
49:57
going to end up kind of out in the with
49:57
going to end up kind of out in the with that so it really is there's a balance
49:58
that so it really is there's a balance
49:58
that so it really is there's a balance to it so yeah yeah definitely and but uh
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to it so yeah yeah definitely and but uh
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to it so yeah yeah definitely and but uh but like I said I look forward to uh AI
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but like I said I look forward to uh AI
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but like I said I look forward to uh AI helping us you know it's just like I
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helping us you know it's just like I
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helping us you know it's just like I said it's just a tool to me it's like a
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said it's just a tool to me it's like a
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said it's just a tool to me it's like a paintbrush and paint right it's that's
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paintbrush and paint right it's that's
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paintbrush and paint right it's that's what that's what it is it's a paint is a
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what that's what it is it's a paint is a
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what that's what it is it's a paint is a tool to to express your creativity
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tool to to express your creativity
50:18
tool to to express your creativity somehow right and and and AI to me is
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somehow right and and and AI to me is
50:21
somehow right and and and AI to me is the same thing it's just a tool that
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the same thing it's just a tool that
50:23
the same thing it's just a tool that we'll lose we you use I'm sure a lot of
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we'll lose we you use I'm sure a lot of
50:26
we'll lose we you use I'm sure a lot of people will misuse it of course that's
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people will misuse it of course that's
50:28
people will misuse it of course that's just unfortunately human nature but uh
50:32
just unfortunately human nature but uh
50:32
just unfortunately human nature but uh but you know once we get through this in
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but you know once we get through this in
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but you know once we get through this in the next 10 or 20 years hopefully you
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the next 10 or 20 years hopefully you
50:37
the next 10 or 20 years hopefully you know we'll be uh figure out where we can
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know we'll be uh figure out where we can
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know we'll be uh figure out where we can you know find the happy medium to me at
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you know find the happy medium to me at
50:44
you know find the happy medium to me at least right yep y i I won't be around
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least right yep y i I won't be around
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least right yep y i I won't be around for that but you know but I think that's
50:50
for that but you know but I think that's
50:50
for that but you know but I think that's what will happen right yeah yeah I have
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what will happen right yeah yeah I have
50:53
what will happen right yeah yeah I have this this little fantasy that that
50:54
this this little fantasy that that
50:55
this this little fantasy that that someday when I retire in
50:57
someday when I retire in
50:57
someday when I retire in 20 50
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20 50
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20 50 years because all right I'm probably not
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years because all right I'm probably not
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years because all right I'm probably not going to retire anytime soon but anyway
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going to retire anytime soon but anyway
51:05
going to retire anytime soon but anyway uh this little fantasy that uh you know
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uh this little fantasy that uh you know
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uh this little fantasy that uh you know someday my my grandkids will come and
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someday my my grandkids will come and
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someday my my grandkids will come and ask me how to fix the little glowing
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ask me how to fix the little glowing
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ask me how to fix the little glowing blue orb thing that's you know broken
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blue orb thing that's you know broken
51:13
blue orb thing that's you know broken for them and you know I'll be like well
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for them and you know I'll be like well
51:15
for them and you know I'll be like well I me this isn't what it was in my day
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I me this isn't what it was in my day
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I me this isn't what it was in my day and we'll have to ask you know the AI of
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and we'll have to ask you know the AI of
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and we'll have to ask you know the AI of the of the day to help us out so well I
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the of the day to help us out so well I
51:26
the of the day to help us out so well I I even thought recently probably after
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I even thought recently probably after
51:29
I even thought recently probably after build that you know I was thinking so
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build that you know I was thinking so
51:32
build that you know I was thinking so how AI how is AI going to be used when
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how AI how is AI going to be used when
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how AI how is AI going to be used when I'm in the old folks home right how how
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I'm in the old folks home right how how
51:38
I'm in the old folks home right how how is they're going to use AI to keep me
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is they're going to use AI to keep me
51:40
is they're going to use AI to keep me you know keep my brain going and keep me
51:42
you know keep my brain going and keep me
51:42
you know keep my brain going and keep me engaged and you know keep me alive
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engaged and you know keep me alive
51:44
engaged and you know keep me alive longer right how is that going to happen
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longer right how is that going to happen
51:47
longer right how is that going to happen when I'm you know in an old folks home
51:49
when I'm you know in an old folks home
51:49
when I'm you know in an old folks home somewhere someday right yeah yeah and uh
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somewhere someday right yeah yeah and uh
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somewhere someday right yeah yeah and uh and and I so because I think you know
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and and I so because I think you know
51:56
and and I so because I think you know just like a lot of other Technologies
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just like a lot of other Technologies
51:58
just like a lot of other Technologies we've had you know uh there's there's
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we've had you know uh there's there's
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we've had you know uh there's there's huge huge uh applications for like
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huge huge uh applications for like
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huge huge uh applications for like medical and you know things like that to
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medical and you know things like that to
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medical and you know things like that to truly help humans right is is I could
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truly help humans right is is I could
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truly help humans right is is I could see a lot of that and I was even last
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see a lot of that and I was even last
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see a lot of that and I was even last year working for a company you know
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year working for a company you know
52:14
year working for a company you know where we were building it w it wasn't AI
52:17
where we were building it w it wasn't AI
52:17
where we were building it w it wasn't AI based but it was kind of uh uh an engine
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based but it was kind of uh uh an engine
52:21
based but it was kind of uh uh an engine that basically you know a lower paid
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that basically you know a lower paid
52:24
that basically you know a lower paid Health worker you know sees a patient
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Health worker you know sees a patient
52:27
Health worker you know sees a patient and types in blah blah blah and then the
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and types in blah blah blah and then the
52:29
and types in blah blah blah and then the computer spits out everything they have
52:31
computer spits out everything they have
52:31
computer spits out everything they have to do right all the tests all the
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to do right all the tests all the
52:34
to do right all the tests all the reports everything they have to do AI
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reports everything they have to do AI
52:35
reports everything they have to do AI just spits it out for them right so they
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just spits it out for them right so they
52:37
just spits it out for them right so they don't have to remember it and so um and
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don't have to remember it and so um and
52:40
don't have to remember it and so um and then even you know using AI to discover
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then even you know using AI to discover
52:43
then even you know using AI to discover treatments for new diseases I think
52:45
treatments for new diseases I think
52:45
treatments for new diseases I think that's going to be huge huge huge right
52:48
that's going to be huge huge huge right
52:48
that's going to be huge huge huge right and uh so there's a lot of good but kind
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and uh so there's a lot of good but kind
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and uh so there's a lot of good but kind of like we've talked about in the
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of like we've talked about in the
52:53
of like we've talked about in the beginning is we we need to make sure we
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beginning is we we need to make sure we
52:55
beginning is we we need to make sure we have the the brakes
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have the the brakes
52:57
have the the brakes brakes ready to put on anytime we need
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brakes ready to put on anytime we need
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brakes ready to put on anytime we need to right because can definitely get out
53:02
to right because can definitely get out
53:02
to right because can definitely get out of control and I'm sure people are
53:04
of control and I'm sure people are
53:04
of control and I'm sure people are already trying to figure out how to get
53:05
already trying to figure out how to get
53:05
already trying to figure out how to get it out of control already but uh but it
53:08
it out of control already but uh but it
53:08
it out of control already but uh but it it definitely definitely can uh go off
53:11
it definitely definitely can uh go off
53:11
it definitely definitely can uh go off the rails quick right yes yeah oh yeah
53:14
the rails quick right yes yeah oh yeah
53:14
the rails quick right yes yeah oh yeah and there are it's it's like anything
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and there are it's it's like anything
53:16
and there are it's it's like anything else the the term that people use for it
53:19
else the the term that people use for it
53:19
else the the term that people use for it of course is
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of course is
53:20
of course is jailbreaking which you know actually
53:23
jailbreaking which you know actually
53:23
jailbreaking which you know actually kind of goes back to the iPhone too it's
53:25
kind of goes back to the iPhone too it's
53:25
kind of goes back to the iPhone too it's like you know yeah yeah concept of being
53:27
like you know yeah yeah concept of being
53:27
like you know yeah yeah concept of being able to get it to run whatever you want
53:29
able to get it to run whatever you want
53:29
able to get it to run whatever you want it to and all that stuff is always going
53:32
it to and all that stuff is always going
53:32
it to and all that stuff is always going to be alluring um but I'd rather be
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to be alluring um but I'd rather be
53:35
to be alluring um but I'd rather be jailbreaking life myself you
53:38
jailbreaking life myself you
53:38
jailbreaking life myself you know that's true I'd rather spend time
53:41
know that's true I'd rather spend time
53:41
know that's true I'd rather spend time on life than trying to jailbreak a piece
53:44
on life than trying to jailbreak a piece
53:44
on life than trying to jailbreak a piece of Hardware or something right it's uh
53:47
of Hardware or something right it's uh
53:47
of Hardware or something right it's uh uh I saw that on the Sci-Fi show the
53:48
uh I saw that on the Sci-Fi show the
53:48
uh I saw that on the Sci-Fi show the last couple nights where they were doing
53:50
last couple nights where they were doing
53:50
last couple nights where they were doing that you broke this and you blah blah
53:52
that you broke this and you blah blah
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that you broke this and you blah blah blah well yeah I can
53:57
blah well yeah I can
53:57
blah well yeah I can yep
53:58
yep
53:58
yep yep uh well we're kind of reaching
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yep uh well we're kind of reaching
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yep uh well we're kind of reaching towards the end is there anything um you
54:03
towards the end is there anything um you
54:03
towards the end is there anything um you want to talk about before we go or men
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want to talk about before we go or men
54:07
want to talk about before we go or men or in in addition uh G
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or in in addition uh G
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or in in addition uh G um let's see what else saying this when
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um let's see what else saying this when
54:14
um let's see what else saying this when when's your next code Camp so my next
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when's your next code Camp so my next
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when's your next code Camp so my next code Camp um is probably going to be
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code Camp um is probably going to be
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code Camp um is probably going to be fall um haven't totally figured out all
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fall um haven't totally figured out all
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fall um haven't totally figured out all the details yet though it is actually
54:25
the details yet though it is actually
54:25
the details yet though it is actually you know now that it's June it's it's
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you know now that it's June it's it's
54:27
you know now that it's June it's it's time to start planning on that yeah um
54:30
time to start planning on that yeah um
54:30
time to start planning on that yeah um Boston code Camp is already um on the
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Boston code Camp is already um on the
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Boston code Camp is already um on the books that's that's one that I also help
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books that's that's one that I also help
54:35
books that's that's one that I also help out with um in addition to to Granite
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out with um in addition to to Granite
54:38
out with um in addition to to Granite State code Camp um we just had um New
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State code Camp um we just had um New
54:42
State code Camp um we just had um New England give Camp excuse me new yeah New
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England give Camp excuse me new yeah New
54:46
England give Camp excuse me new yeah New England give Camp which was a fun event
54:48
England give Camp which was a fun event
54:48
England give Camp which was a fun event where uh you know we we got a bunch of
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where uh you know we we got a bunch of
54:51
where uh you know we we got a bunch of um uh nonprofit organizations together
54:54
um uh nonprofit organizations together
54:54
um uh nonprofit organizations together and and helped them out with some
54:56
and and helped them out with some
54:56
and and helped them out with some technical debt that they needed to to
54:58
technical debt that they needed to to
54:58
technical debt that they needed to to take care of that they didn't have the
55:01
take care of that they didn't have the
55:01
take care of that they didn't have the expertise to to manage yeah um and
55:04
expertise to to manage yeah um and
55:04
expertise to to manage yeah um and that's something that that uh we do
55:06
that's something that that uh we do
55:06
that's something that that uh we do every year as well um so actually
55:10
every year as well um so actually
55:10
every year as well um so actually Granite State code Camp I'm I'm thinking
55:12
Granite State code Camp I'm I'm thinking
55:12
Granite State code Camp I'm I'm thinking that it might have a little bit more of
55:15
that it might have a little bit more of
55:15
that it might have a little bit more of an AI Edge to it this year it might even
55:18
an AI Edge to it this year it might even
55:18
an AI Edge to it this year it might even require a little bit of a Rebrand but um
55:21
require a little bit of a Rebrand but um
55:21
require a little bit of a Rebrand but um just because of that you know because of
55:23
just because of that you know because of
55:23
just because of that you know because of all this co-pilot stuff it's like I'm
55:25
all this co-pilot stuff it's like I'm
55:25
all this co-pilot stuff it's like I'm I'm not sure what we might call it you
55:28
I'm not sure what we might call it you
55:28
I'm not sure what we might call it you know it's like Granite State co-pilot
55:33
Camp a marketing name on it like that
55:35
Camp a marketing name on it like that
55:35
Camp a marketing name on it like that but yeah yeah but yeah I you know I
55:39
but yeah yeah but yeah I you know I
55:39
but yeah yeah but yeah I you know I while you were saying all that you
55:40
while you were saying all that you
55:41
while you were saying all that you started making me miss code camps
55:42
started making me miss code camps
55:42
started making me miss code camps because I it's been a long time since
55:45
because I it's been a long time since
55:45
because I it's been a long time since I've spoken out of code Camp you know we
55:46
I've spoken out of code Camp you know we
55:46
I've spoken out of code Camp you know we don't have code camps in Southern
55:48
don't have code camps in Southern
55:48
don't have code camps in Southern California anymore unfortunately a shame
55:50
California anymore unfortunately a shame
55:50
California anymore unfortunately a shame I know we used to have like three a year
55:52
I know we used to have like three a year
55:52
I know we used to have like three a year and now we have nothing and uh Arizona
55:55
and now we have nothing and uh Arizona
55:55
and now we have nothing and uh Arizona is not is not doing one anymore so
55:57
is not is not doing one anymore so
55:57
is not is not doing one anymore so there's like nothing in my area close by
56:00
there's like nothing in my area close by
56:00
there's like nothing in my area close by Co kind of did a lot of that during the
56:03
Co kind of did a lot of that during the
56:03
Co kind of did a lot of that during the during the co a I was very very proud to
56:06
during the co a I was very very proud to
56:06
during the co a I was very very proud to say that um the Granite State Community
56:10
say that um the Granite State Community
56:10
say that um the Granite State Community was the only uh code camp that never
56:14
was the only uh code camp that never
56:14
was the only uh code camp that never stopped uh we we went online while we
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stopped uh we we went online while we
56:17
stopped uh we we went online while we had to hunker down but um we we manage
56:20
had to hunker down but um we we manage
56:20
had to hunker down but um we we manage to keep an event going every year
56:23
to keep an event going every year
56:23
to keep an event going every year despite the you know the um
56:27
despite the you know the um
56:27
despite the you know the um uh oh gosh the word just slipped out of
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uh oh gosh the word just slipped out of
56:29
uh oh gosh the word just slipped out of my head the uh not curfew um quarantine
56:33
my head the uh not curfew um quarantine
56:33
my head the uh not curfew um quarantine the quarantine yeah yeah so despite the
56:35
the quarantine yeah yeah so despite the
56:35
the quarantine yeah yeah so despite the quarantines and all that stuff we
56:37
quarantines and all that stuff we
56:37
quarantines and all that stuff we managed to keep going every year uh
56:39
managed to keep going every year uh
56:39
managed to keep going every year uh Boston couldn't do that um but but we
56:43
Boston couldn't do that um but but we
56:43
Boston couldn't do that um but but we actually found a way through through
56:45
actually found a way through through
56:45
actually found a way through through teams and all that stuff it was it was
56:48
teams and all that stuff it was it was
56:48
teams and all that stuff it was it was uh really awesome to be able to to keep
56:50
uh really awesome to be able to to keep
56:50
uh really awesome to be able to to keep that going and uh definitely a tradition
56:53
that going and uh definitely a tradition
56:53
that going and uh definitely a tradition that I'm I'm pyed to be a part of and
56:55
that I'm I'm pyed to be a part of and
56:55
that I'm I'm pyed to be a part of and and keep going going here too so yeah
56:58
and keep going going here too so yeah
56:58
and keep going going here too so yeah and uh so all of you out there if you
57:00
and uh so all of you out there if you
57:00
and uh so all of you out there if you haven't been to a code Camp please try
57:02
haven't been to a code Camp please try
57:02
haven't been to a code Camp please try to go to one I it's still probably one
57:05
to go to one I it's still probably one
57:05
to go to one I it's still probably one of my funnest uh speaking things is to
57:08
of my funnest uh speaking things is to
57:08
of my funnest uh speaking things is to go to a code Camp uh and uh uh and if
57:12
go to a code Camp uh and uh uh and if
57:12
go to a code Camp uh and uh uh and if you're a younger person uh step up and
57:15
you're a younger person uh step up and
57:15
you're a younger person uh step up and start helping right because we're
57:16
start helping right because we're
57:16
start helping right because we're getting older now and and we've been
57:18
getting older now and and we've been
57:19
getting older now and and we've been doing this a long time and and we're
57:21
doing this a long time and and we're
57:21
doing this a long time and and we're going to age out of this you know
57:22
going to age out of this you know
57:22
going to age out of this you know running code camps and stuff and we need
57:25
running code camps and stuff and we need
57:25
running code camps and stuff and we need younger blood coming in and and uh
57:27
younger blood coming in and and uh
57:27
younger blood coming in and and uh spearheading the the the future of this
57:30
spearheading the the the future of this
57:30
spearheading the the the future of this right very happy to help um other people
57:33
right very happy to help um other people
57:33
right very happy to help um other people spin up code camps in their regions and
57:35
spin up code camps in their regions and
57:35
spin up code camps in their regions and stuff like that too so um uh hit me up
57:39
stuff like that too so um uh hit me up
57:39
stuff like that too so um uh hit me up if if you're interested and don't know
57:41
if if you're interested and don't know
57:41
if if you're interested and don't know where to start you know let's let's talk
57:43
where to start you know let's let's talk
57:43
where to start you know let's let's talk about it yeah because it's not easy it's
57:45
about it yeah because it's not easy it's
57:45
about it yeah because it's not easy it's it's a big big it's a big hard task to
57:48
it's a big big it's a big hard task to
57:48
it's a big big it's a big hard task to do right but it's very
57:50
do right but it's very
57:50
do right but it's very rewarding yeah so uh the last question
57:54
rewarding yeah so uh the last question
57:54
rewarding yeah so uh the last question since this is your second time on the
57:55
since this is your second time on the
57:55
since this is your second time on the show uh this is a question I asked all
57:58
show uh this is a question I asked all
57:58
show uh this is a question I asked all my guess the second time and it and that
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my guess the second time and it and that
58:00
my guess the second time and it and that is what brings you happiness in your
58:02
is what brings you happiness in your
58:02
is what brings you happiness in your Tech
58:03
Tech
58:03
Tech Career o um honestly it it kind of goes
58:07
Career o um honestly it it kind of goes
58:07
Career o um honestly it it kind of goes back to um what what we were talking
58:10
back to um what what we were talking
58:10
back to um what what we were talking about a little bit earlier is is
58:12
about a little bit earlier is is
58:12
about a little bit earlier is is delivering those solutions that you know
58:14
delivering those solutions that you know
58:14
delivering those solutions that you know just kind of Hit the hit the nail on the
58:17
just kind of Hit the hit the nail on the
58:17
just kind of Hit the hit the nail on the head um you know that's that's what it's
58:20
head um you know that's that's what it's
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head um you know that's that's what it's that's what it always comes down to
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that's what it always comes down to
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that's what it always comes down to making making people's lives better um
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making making people's lives better um
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making making people's lives better um uh applying technology and and that sort
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uh applying technology and and that sort
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uh applying technology and and that sort of thing and and uh it's you know it's
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of thing and and uh it's you know it's
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of thing and and uh it's you know it's always been a motivation for me in fact
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always been a motivation for me in fact
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always been a motivation for me in fact actually I I um just moved into this
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actually I I um just moved into this
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actually I I um just moved into this office space um and was unpacking stuff
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office space um and was unpacking stuff
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office space um and was unpacking stuff for the shelves behind me and stuff like
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for the shelves behind me and stuff like
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for the shelves behind me and stuff like that and one of the things that I found
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that and one of the things that I found
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that and one of the things that I found was actually uh this right here which
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was actually uh this right here which
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was actually uh this right here which which is actually an award that my uh
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which is actually an award that my uh
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which is actually an award that my uh sorry it's a little bit tough to read
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sorry it's a little bit tough to read
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sorry it's a little bit tough to read you posted on Twitter today right yeah
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you posted on Twitter today right yeah
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you posted on Twitter today right yeah yeah and and it's like I you know that's
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yeah and and it's like I you know that's
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yeah and and it's like I you know that's that's what it's really always been
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that's what it's really always been
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that's what it's really always been about for me since I was literally a kid
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about for me since I was literally a kid
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about for me since I was literally a kid in high school um actually probably even
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in high school um actually probably even
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in high school um actually probably even back before that was just you know
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back before that was just you know
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back before that was just you know building things that help people or you
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building things that help people or you
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building things that help people or you know one way or another are fun to mess
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know one way or another are fun to mess
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know one way or another are fun to mess around with or you know just do stuff
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around with or you know just do stuff
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around with or you know just do stuff important for them so yeah well thanks
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important for them so yeah well thanks
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important for them so yeah well thanks thanks again for being on the show again
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thanks again for being on the show again
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thanks again for being on the show again it's been great catching up with you and
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it's been great catching up with you and
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it's been great catching up with you and then and good luck uh your code Camp
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then and good luck uh your code Camp
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then and good luck uh your code Camp coming up and everything I I wish I
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coming up and everything I I wish I
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coming up and everything I I wish I could come and and speak but you know
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could come and and speak but you know
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could come and and speak but you know it's a long you you're a long way from
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it's a long you you're a long way from
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it's a long you you're a long way from me so I understand I we'll figure
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me so I understand I we'll figure
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me so I understand I we'll figure something out man but I really
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something out man but I really
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something out man but I really appreciate you having me on the on the
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appreciate you having me on the on the
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appreciate you having me on the on the show again and and look forward to uh
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show again and and look forward to uh
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show again and and look forward to uh next time whatever whatever works out
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next time whatever whatever works out
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next time whatever whatever works out there so great well thanks a lot and
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there so great well thanks a lot and
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there so great well thanks a lot and have a great rest of the weekend and
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have a great rest of the weekend and
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have a great rest of the weekend and enjoy your new job all right thank you
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enjoy your new job all right thank you
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enjoy your new job all right thank you okay well that was a great uh disc
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okay well that was a great uh disc
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okay well that was a great uh disc discussion about co-pilot and Ai and
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discussion about co-pilot and Ai and
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discussion about co-pilot and Ai and whatever else Jim and I went off topic
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whatever else Jim and I went off topic
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whatever else Jim and I went off topic with and uh uh so uh you know I don't
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with and uh uh so uh you know I don't
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with and uh uh so uh you know I don't know what the plans are for the the next
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know what the plans are for the the next
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know what the plans are for the the next uh coming up episodes for uh uh the show
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uh coming up episodes for uh uh the show
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uh coming up episodes for uh uh the show but I'm sure we're going to be talking
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but I'm sure we're going to be talking
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but I'm sure we're going to be talking more and more about AI um I think it's
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more and more about AI um I think it's
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more and more about AI um I think it's just going to be ingrained just like
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just going to be ingrained just like
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just going to be ingrained just like cell phones and just like the internet
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cell phones and just like the internet
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cell phones and just like the internet was back uh back in the day making
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was back uh back in the day making
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was back uh back in the day making myself feel old now uh but thanks again
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myself feel old now uh but thanks again
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myself feel old now uh but thanks again Jim I really appreciate you being on the
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Jim I really appreciate you being on the
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Jim I really appreciate you being on the show again uh I found this geek humor I
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show again uh I found this geek humor I
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show again uh I found this geek humor I I speaking about younger and older
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I speaking about younger and older
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I speaking about younger and older developers this is perfect uh year zero
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developers this is perfect uh year zero
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developers this is perfect uh year zero let me write this code in one line with
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let me write this code in one line with
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let me write this code in one line with complex abstractions I'm so clever and
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complex abstractions I'm so clever and
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complex abstractions I'm so clever and this is and and I'm on the right there
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this is and and I'm on the right there
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this is and and I'm on the right there let me write this code so I can
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let me write this code so I can
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let me write this code so I can understand it in the
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understand it in the
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understand it in the future right because you know code
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future right because you know code
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future right because you know code quality and coding standards is
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quality and coding standards is
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quality and coding standards is important not only for other people uh
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important not only for other people uh
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important not only for other people uh using and writing uh you in fixing your
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using and writing uh you in fixing your
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using and writing uh you in fixing your code but for you because I've gone back
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code but for you because I've gone back
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code but for you because I've gone back to my own code in the past going who
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to my own code in the past going who
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to my own code in the past going who wrote this and then I look I go oh crap
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wrote this and then I look I go oh crap
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wrote this and then I look I go oh crap I wrote
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I wrote
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I wrote it so
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it so
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it so uh I always believe in the kiss
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uh I always believe in the kiss
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uh I always believe in the kiss principle keep it simple stupid
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principle keep it simple stupid
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principle keep it simple stupid princible uh I know there has to be
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princible uh I know there has to be
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princible uh I know there has to be complex code but generally it should be
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complex code but generally it should be
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complex code but generally it should be pretty easy for anybody on the team to
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pretty easy for anybody on the team to
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pretty easy for anybody on the team to understand but that's my opinion um as
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understand but that's my opinion um as
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understand but that's my opinion um as always I hope you will help me help the
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always I hope you will help me help the
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always I hope you will help me help the kids in the slums of Delhi India uh
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kids in the slums of Delhi India uh
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kids in the slums of Delhi India uh there's a picture of uh when I was there
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there's a picture of uh when I was there
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there's a picture of uh when I was there a couple years ago a year and a half ago
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a couple years ago a year and a half ago
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a couple years ago a year and a half ago uh you know this is a a very very worthy
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uh you know this is a a very very worthy
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uh you know this is a a very very worthy organization that really helps uh get
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organization that really helps uh get
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organization that really helps uh get these kids out of the slums uh feeds
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these kids out of the slums uh feeds
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these kids out of the slums uh feeds them trains them uh uh trains them
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them trains them uh uh trains them
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them trains them uh uh trains them schools them teaches them uh skills that
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schools them teaches them uh skills that
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schools them teaches them uh skills that they can use to get a job on the outside
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they can use to get a job on the outside
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they can use to get a job on the outside and everything and and actually Joe and
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and everything and and actually Joe and
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and everything and and actually Joe and I when we were there we donated five
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I when we were there we donated five
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I when we were there we donated five computers for the kids to to not only
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computers for the kids to to not only
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computers for the kids to to not only learn but you know Dave pixer there on
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learn but you know Dave pixer there on
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learn but you know Dave pixer there on the left told me that you know a lot of
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the left told me that you know a lot of
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the left told me that you know a lot of the kids you know uh in the orphanage
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the kids you know uh in the orphanage
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the kids you know uh in the orphanage have never even seen a computer and so
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have never even seen a computer and so
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have never even seen a computer and so he was so happy when uh Joe and I
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he was so happy when uh Joe and I
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he was so happy when uh Joe and I brought those five computers uh for the
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brought those five computers uh for the
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brought those five computers uh for the kids and so I hope that's helping and uh
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kids and so I hope that's helping and uh
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kids and so I hope that's helping and uh but they also need funding too because
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but they also need funding too because
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but they also need funding too because they unfortunately don't get very much
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they unfortunately don't get very much
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they unfortunately don't get very much from the Indian Indian government so uh
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from the Indian Indian government so uh
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from the Indian Indian government so uh so please go to the voiceof slam.org uh
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so please go to the voiceof slam.org uh
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so please go to the voiceof slam.org uh as soon as it show over in like one
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as soon as it show over in like one
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as soon as it show over in like one minute and donate whatever you can
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minute and donate whatever you can
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minute and donate whatever you can because anything will help the
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because anything will help the
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because anything will help the kids all right so that's the end of the
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kids all right so that's the end of the
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kids all right so that's the end of the episode uh next uh month we're taking
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episode uh next uh month we're taking
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episode uh next uh month we're taking the month off uh next month July 7th
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the month off uh next month July 7th
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the month off uh next month July 7th I'll be talking to Steve Stedman Steve
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I'll be talking to Steve Stedman Steve
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I'll be talking to Steve Stedman Steve I've been using one of Steve's uh
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I've been using one of Steve's uh
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I've been using one of Steve's uh products for a long time and whenever
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products for a long time and whenever
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products for a long time and whenever I'm using a SQL database I have to use
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I'm using a SQL database I have to use
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I'm using a SQL database I have to use his product and so he's coming back on
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his product and so he's coming back on
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his product and so he's coming back on the show uh we'll talk more about all
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the show uh we'll talk more about all
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the show uh we'll talk more about all that and uh and uh if you're using SQL
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that and uh and uh if you're using SQL
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that and uh and uh if you're using SQL SQL Server you need his tool so go check
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SQL Server you need his tool so go check
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SQL Server you need his tool so go check him out uh tomorrow I'm donating blood
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him out uh tomorrow I'm donating blood
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him out uh tomorrow I'm donating blood uh it's my monthly donation and uh I
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uh it's my monthly donation and uh I
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uh it's my monthly donation and uh I hope you will go out and donate blood
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hope you will go out and donate blood
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hope you will go out and donate blood too please please please every uh uh
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too please please please every uh uh
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too please please please every uh uh Blood Bank in America is dealing with a
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Blood Bank in America is dealing with a
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Blood Bank in America is dealing with a shortage right now and uh they really
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shortage right now and uh they really
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shortage right now and uh they really really need your blood desperately and
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really need your blood desperately and
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really need your blood desperately and so and and with that if you donate this
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so and and with that if you donate this
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so and and with that if you donate this weekend I know this you're probably
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weekend I know this you're probably
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weekend I know this you're probably going to seeing this on a recording but
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going to seeing this on a recording but
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going to seeing this on a recording but if you donate this weekend I will give
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if you donate this weekend I will give
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if you donate this weekend I will give you I will send you if you live in
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you I will send you if you live in
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you I will send you if you live in America at least I will give you a copy
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America at least I will give you a copy
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America at least I will give you a copy of my coding standard
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of my coding standard
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of my coding standard book just for donating blood just post
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book just for donating blood just post
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book just for donating blood just post it to my Twitter feed that a picture of
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it to my Twitter feed that a picture of
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it to my Twitter feed that a picture of you donating blood this weekend and I
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you donating blood this weekend and I
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you donating blood this weekend and I will send you a book uh while supplies
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will send you a book uh while supplies
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will send you a book uh while supplies last and supplies meaning I have three
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last and supplies meaning I have three
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last and supplies meaning I have three to give out so uh let's see so go donate
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to give out so uh let's see so go donate
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to give out so uh let's see so go donate blood not only uh uh you
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blood not only uh uh you
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blood not only uh uh you know it is the you know America's in a
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know it is the you know America's in a
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know it is the you know America's in a shortage but it'll make make you feel
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shortage but it'll make make you feel
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shortage but it'll make make you feel better for doing it it always makes me
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better for doing it it always makes me
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better for doing it it always makes me feel better uh when I once I walk away
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feel better uh when I once I walk away
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feel better uh when I once I walk away so um anyway with that um I hope you'll
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so um anyway with that um I hope you'll
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so um anyway with that um I hope you'll email me any suggestions or comments
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email me any suggestions or comments
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email me any suggestions or comments about the show guests you want me to
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about the show guests you want me to
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about the show guests you want me to invite on the show uh to donava live.com
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invite on the show uh to donava live.com
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invite on the show uh to donava live.com and with that I'll see you on July 7th
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and with that I'll see you on July 7th
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and with that I'll see you on July 7th [Applause]
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