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hello everyone and welcome to another
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hello everyone and welcome to another
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hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the cloud show as you can see
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episode of the cloud show as you can see
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episode of the cloud show as you can see I am not at home in my usual office for
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I am not at home in my usual office for
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I am not at home in my usual office for these interviews I am in fact at a
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these interviews I am in fact at a
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these interviews I am in fact at a conference in Delhi woohoo this has been
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conference in Delhi woohoo this has been
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conference in Delhi woohoo this has been a a great conference so far we have had
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a a great conference so far we have had
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a a great conference so far we have had uh a lot of talks about ai ai
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uh a lot of talks about ai ai
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uh a lot of talks about ai ai Technologies a lot of talk about Cloud
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Technologies a lot of talk about Cloud
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Technologies a lot of talk about Cloud stuff as well and I am here tonight to
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stuff as well and I am here tonight to
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stuff as well and I am here tonight to to talk to you about Azure devops why
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to talk to you about Azure devops why
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to talk to you about Azure devops why are we using devops what's it for and
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are we using devops what's it for and
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are we using devops what's it for and what's the main of categorization for
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what's the main of categorization for
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what's the main of categorization for using this I know that there are a lot
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using this I know that there are a lot
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using this I know that there are a lot of companies out there who are not using
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of companies out there who are not using
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of companies out there who are not using devops today so I'm going to talk to a
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devops today so I'm going to talk to a
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devops today so I'm going to talk to a devop devop specialist here my good
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devop devop specialist here my good
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devop devop specialist here my good friend ntin
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friend ntin
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friend ntin [Music]
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[Music] Pandit hello naan how you doing all good
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Pandit hello naan how you doing all good
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Pandit hello naan how you doing all good thanks thanks for asking hoping the same
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thanks thanks for asking hoping the same
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thanks thanks for asking hoping the same for you oh absolutely it is it is an
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for you oh absolutely it is it is an
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for you oh absolutely it is it is an absolute pleasure to have you on the
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absolute pleasure to have you on the
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absolute pleasure to have you on the show tonight same well thanks andk
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show tonight same well thanks andk
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show tonight same well thanks andk thanks and um having feeling great to be
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thanks and um having feeling great to be
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thanks and um having feeling great to be on the S perfect so we are going to talk
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on the S perfect so we are going to talk
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on the S perfect so we are going to talk about devops the the use of devops why
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about devops the the use of devops why
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about devops the the use of devops why why would we use it and and and
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why would we use it and and and
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why would we use it and and and fundamentally how does it work because
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fundamentally how does it work because
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fundamentally how does it work because even though a lot of companies out there
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even though a lot of companies out there
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even though a lot of companies out there are using devops and Automation and all
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are using devops and Automation and all
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are using devops and Automation and all of that stuff no matter where I go as a
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of that stuff no matter where I go as a
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of that stuff no matter where I go as a consultant I always see that a lot of
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consultant I always see that a lot of
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consultant I always see that a lot of companies are yet struggling with it or
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companies are yet struggling with it or
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companies are yet struggling with it or maybe not fully using devops which it
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maybe not fully using devops which it
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maybe not fully using devops which it sounds crazy to to experts who use it
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sounds crazy to to experts who use it
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sounds crazy to to experts who use it all
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all
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all but you first tell the audience what is
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but you first tell the audience what is
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but you first tell the audience what is kind of the purpose of using a devops
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kind of the purpose of using a devops
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kind of the purpose of using a devops system so as for my experience or in my
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system so as for my experience or in my
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system so as for my experience or in my opinion I would say like Azure devop is
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opinion I would say like Azure devop is
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opinion I would say like Azure devop is a complete whole ecosystem where
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a complete whole ecosystem where
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a complete whole ecosystem where Microsoft have provided where you can
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Microsoft have provided where you can
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Microsoft have provided where you can manage their deployments along with the
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manage their deployments along with the
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manage their deployments along with the development that's how we call it cdci
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development that's how we call it cdci
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development that's how we call it cdci pipelines and along with that if you
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pipelines and along with that if you
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pipelines and along with that if you just go and you start building your
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just go and you start building your
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just go and you start building your applications it makes very easy like you
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applications it makes very easy like you
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applications it makes very easy like you just do that and it's very seamless you
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just do that and it's very seamless you
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just do that and it's very seamless you can deploy your application just in a
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can deploy your application just in a
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can deploy your application just in a few minutes and it's easy now for the
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few minutes and it's easy now for the
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few minutes and it's easy now for the infrastructure guys to manage your
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infrastructure guys to manage your
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infrastructure guys to manage your services all together I would say and as
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services all together I would say and as
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services all together I would say and as well as for the managers to assign your
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well as for the managers to assign your
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well as for the managers to assign your boards to manage your tasks overall it's
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boards to manage your tasks overall it's
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boards to manage your tasks overall it's a ecosystem where you can it's a whole
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a ecosystem where you can it's a whole
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a ecosystem where you can it's a whole ecosystem of things we're talking
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ecosystem of things we're talking
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ecosystem of things we're talking specifically about Azure devops right
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specifically about Azure devops right
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specifically about Azure devops right and so with Azure devops uh you you said
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and so with Azure devops uh you you said
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and so with Azure devops uh you you said that that you can manage your
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that that you can manage your
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that that you can manage your deployments using cicd pipelines what's
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deployments using cicd pipelines what's
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deployments using cicd pipelines what's cicd for so when you like when you just
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cicd for so when you like when you just
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cicd for so when you like when you just ask them so there there's a CI
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ask them so there there's a CI
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ask them so there there's a CI continuous integration and continuous
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continuous integration and continuous
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continuous integration and continuous development yeah yeah so earlier before
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development yeah yeah so earlier before
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development yeah yeah so earlier before any cic pipelines what we used to do we
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any cic pipelines what we used to do we
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any cic pipelines what we used to do we just start building our code in locally
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just start building our code in locally
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just start building our code in locally then we used to do some other uh I would
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then we used to do some other uh I would
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then we used to do some other uh I would say deployment tools to deploy my
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say deployment tools to deploy my
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say deployment tools to deploy my solutions to merge my Solutions like the
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solutions to merge my Solutions like the
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solutions to merge my Solutions like the other old systems right using cicd
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other old systems right using cicd
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other old systems right using cicd pipeline it's make very easy you are
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pipeline it's make very easy you are
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pipeline it's make very easy you are just integrating your application you
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just integrating your application you
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just integrating your application you are just committing your code at the
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are just committing your code at the
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are just committing your code at the back end there are a full pipeline that
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back end there are a full pipeline that
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back end there are a full pipeline that is start executing from that same time
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is start executing from that same time
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is start executing from that same time when you just commit your code so that's
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when you just commit your code so that's
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when you just commit your code so that's how it's very easy now and it's easy at
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how it's very easy now and it's easy at
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how it's very easy now and it's easy at the at the time of I would say the
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the at the time of I would say the
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the at the time of I would say the person who is who who have the ownership
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person who is who who have the ownership
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person who is who who have the ownership of this project to actually check out
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of this project to actually check out
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of this project to actually check out what are the conflicts how they have to
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what are the conflicts how they have to
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what are the conflicts how they have to manage and the other things as well okay
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manage and the other things as well okay
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manage and the other things as well okay okay so that's hold together when you
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okay so that's hold together when you
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okay so that's hold together when you start writing your code continuous
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start writing your code continuous
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start writing your code continuous development and when you start
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development and when you start
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development and when you start integrating your application in your
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integrating your application in your
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integrating your application in your existing code that's how it's work as in
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existing code that's how it's work as in
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existing code that's how it's work as in CD a CI as well so the continuous
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CD a CI as well so the continuous
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CD a CI as well so the continuous development is is the process of
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development is is the process of
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development is is the process of continuously evolving the application
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continuously evolving the application
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continuously evolving the application and and checking in the the code into
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and and checking in the the code into
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and and checking in the the code into into your repository which is going to
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into your repository which is going to
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into your repository which is going to be your G get repository and then
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be your G get repository and then
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be your G get repository and then continuous integration is continuously
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continuous integration is continuously
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continuous integration is continuously deploying the application to the Target
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deploying the application to the Target
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deploying the application to the Target environment for testing or for
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environment for testing or for
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environment for testing or for production for everything even to manage
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production for everything even to manage
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production for everything even to manage you can do for production yes we can
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you can do for production yes we can
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you can do for production yes we can because it's it's a code is there right
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because it's it's a code is there right
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because it's it's a code is there right you can do that and as well as I I think
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you can do that and as well as I I think
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you can do that and as well as I I think it's very easy for like other
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it's very easy for like other
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it's very easy for like other environments to like we do in Azure app
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environments to like we do in Azure app
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environments to like we do in Azure app Services we have slots it's very easy to
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Services we have slots it's very easy to
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Services we have slots it's very easy to manage all these kind of different
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manage all these kind of different
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manage all these kind of different environment as well even productionist a
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environment as well even productionist a
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environment as well even productionist a test environment separate from your
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test environment separate from your
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test environment separate from your production
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production
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production environment so I take it that you you
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environment so I take it that you you
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environment so I take it that you you would deploy to this in the same way to
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would deploy to this in the same way to
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would deploy to this in the same way to to all your environments yes it's it's
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to all your environments yes it's it's
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to all your environments yes it's it's just basically just envir environment
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just basically just envir environment
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just basically just envir environment setting setting up variables like where
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setting setting up variables like where
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setting setting up variables like where you want to go and you want to deploy
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you want to go and you want to deploy
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you want to go and you want to deploy okay I can see the value in this because
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okay I can see the value in this because
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okay I can see the value in this because then it means that we are kind of
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then it means that we are kind of
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then it means that we are kind of handsfree running things and and we're
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handsfree running things and and we're
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handsfree running things and and we're just we can just continue with our
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just we can just continue with our
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just we can just continue with our coding happily and and hopefully the
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coding happily and and hopefully the
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coding happily and and hopefully the automation then takes care of everything
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automation then takes care of everything
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automation then takes care of everything else okay so in for in specifically in
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else okay so in for in specifically in
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else okay so in for in specifically in in Azure devops what are the main kind
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in Azure devops what are the main kind
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in Azure devops what are the main kind of components you said it's a whole
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of components you said it's a whole
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of components you said it's a whole category ecosystem you said it's a whole
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category ecosystem you said it's a whole
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category ecosystem you said it's a whole ecosystem of things uh what kind of
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ecosystem of things uh what kind of
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ecosystem of things uh what kind of services are in this uh offering so yes
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services are in this uh offering so yes
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services are in this uh offering so yes like in Azure projects the most
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like in Azure projects the most
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like in Azure projects the most important thing is if you are if you are
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important thing is if you are if you are
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important thing is if you are if you are having an experience of like managing a
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having an experience of like managing a
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having an experience of like managing a project so you must be using Azure board
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project so you must be using Azure board
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project so you must be using Azure board so in Azure board
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so in Azure board
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so in Azure board yes which is specifically designed for
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yes which is specifically designed for
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yes which is specifically designed for the scrum master so I would say the
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the scrum master so I would say the
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the scrum master so I would say the person who has to manage their entire
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person who has to manage their entire
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person who has to manage their entire Project tickets and the there the I
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Project tickets and the there the I
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Project tickets and the there the I would say all the tasks to manage so
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would say all the tasks to manage so
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would say all the tasks to manage so Azure board is kind of a good and
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Azure board is kind of a good and
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Azure board is kind of a good and amazing thing to manage very easily all
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amazing thing to manage very easily all
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amazing thing to manage very easily all the task whatever you have to assign you
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the task whatever you have to assign you
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the task whatever you have to assign you create your tasks and you have a a board
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create your tasks and you have a a board
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create your tasks and you have a a board you can stick them on like a canb can
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you can stick them on like a canb can
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you can stick them on like a canb can band Styles or so the so but you have to
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band Styles or so the so but you have to
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band Styles or so the so but you have to use scrum yes uh is there any other
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use scrum yes uh is there any other
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use scrum yes uh is there any other method
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method
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method I guess agile we so my experience we
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I guess agile we so my experience we
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I guess agile we so my experience we generally use kind of a Str things but I
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generally use kind of a Str things but I
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generally use kind of a Str things but I would not be concent on that but maybe
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would not be concent on that but maybe
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would not be concent on that but maybe the the agile so so you manage your
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the the agile so so you manage your
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the the agile so so you manage your project using a board system with work
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project using a board system with work
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project using a board system with work items you can move them across the board
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items you can move them across the board
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items you can move them across the board okay that's basically what what a lot of
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okay that's basically what what a lot of
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okay that's basically what what a lot of people are doing already all right bril
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people are doing already all right bril
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people are doing already all right bril along with that we have the second thing
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along with that we have the second thing
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along with that we have the second thing which which we generally discuss to
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which which we generally discuss to
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which which we generally discuss to manage our pipelines and the
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manage our pipelines and the
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manage our pipelines and the Integrations so what is a what exactly
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Integrations so what is a what exactly
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Integrations so what is a what exactly is a pipeline so pipeline if I would say
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is a pipeline so pipeline if I would say
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is a pipeline so pipeline if I would say in general term so pipeline is kind of a
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in general term so pipeline is kind of a
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in general term so pipeline is kind of a kind of a complete process where we do
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kind of a complete process where we do
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kind of a complete process where we do automate things right so when when we do
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automate things right so when when we do
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automate things right so when when we do like there could be a code coverage
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like there could be a code coverage
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like there could be a code coverage testing there could be automation
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testing there could be automation
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testing there could be automation testing whatever we we try to fix in
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testing whatever we we try to fix in
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testing whatever we we try to fix in between unit tests yes it could be a
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between unit tests yes it could be a
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between unit tests yes it could be a part of that cool so because code
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part of that cool so because code
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part of that cool so because code coverage comes in under that as well so
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coverage comes in under that as well so
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coverage comes in under that as well so if we do that like once you start doing
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if we do that like once you start doing
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if we do that like once you start doing it so whatever process you have defined
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it so whatever process you have defined
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it so whatever process you have defined to automate your deployment so that
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to automate your deployment so that
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to automate your deployment so that particular process or that complete
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particular process or that complete
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particular process or that complete queue we can call it as a pipeline okay
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queue we can call it as a pipeline okay
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queue we can call it as a pipeline okay okay and and so if I have my code my
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okay and and so if I have my code my
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okay and and so if I have my code my application and I I'm testing it on my
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application and I I'm testing it on my
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application and I I'm testing it on my local machine and I see some things are
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local machine and I see some things are
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local machine and I see some things are running now I I check it in and I I I
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running now I I check it in and I I I
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running now I I check it in and I I I push it to so how does it relate to
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push it to so how does it relate to
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push it to so how does it relate to where I'm pushing it to next like which
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where I'm pushing it to next like which
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where I'm pushing it to next like which you said environments in in for example
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you said environments in in for example
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you said environments in in for example in Asher then how does that work I I get
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in Asher then how does that work I I get
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in Asher then how does that work I I get my application to the environment uh how
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my application to the environment uh how
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my application to the environment uh how does it interact with with Azure so when
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does it interact with with Azure so when
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does it interact with with Azure so when U I would say in that case we have
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U I would say in that case we have
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U I would say in that case we have different en environment settings for
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different en environment settings for
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different en environment settings for the different projects right even
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the different projects right even
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the different projects right even different infrastructures so whatever
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different infrastructures so whatever
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different infrastructures so whatever whatever configurations you have
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whatever configurations you have
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whatever configurations you have maintain at your in I would say
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maintain at your in I would say
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maintain at your in I would say application settings or maybe
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application settings or maybe
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application settings or maybe application variables that has to be
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application variables that has to be
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application variables that has to be taken care by that that environment only
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taken care by that that environment only
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taken care by that that environment only where you where you deploy all the IP
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where you where you deploy all the IP
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where you where you deploy all the IP addresses from where your dat data is
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addresses from where your dat data is
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addresses from where your dat data is coming or maybe I would say rather data
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coming or maybe I would say rather data
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coming or maybe I would say rather data Maybe your rest API is endpoint from
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Maybe your rest API is endpoint from
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Maybe your rest API is endpoint from where your data is coming or the other
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where your data is coming or the other
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where your data is coming or the other dependencies from where you are loading
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dependencies from where you are loading
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dependencies from where you are loading it suppose on your local you are using
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it suppose on your local you are using
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it suppose on your local you are using some kind of a I would say the local
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some kind of a I would say the local
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some kind of a I would say the local dependencies but when you deploy them
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dependencies but when you deploy them
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dependencies but when you deploy them you have to use some licenses which is
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you have to use some licenses which is
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you have to use some licenses which is Enterprise license or maybe which is
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Enterprise license or maybe which is
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Enterprise license or maybe which is having some license key you don't want
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having some license key you don't want
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having some license key you don't want to use them on local so these kind of
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to use them on local so these kind of
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to use them on local so these kind of settings I would say and so you put the
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settings I would say and so you put the
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settings I would say and so you put the settings like your your secret settings
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settings like your your secret settings
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settings like your your secret settings and stuff
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and stuff
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and stuff yes
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yes
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yes in that's awesome yes we should cut it
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in that's awesome yes we should cut it
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in that's awesome yes we should cut it yeah no that's okay we'll keep it in the
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yeah no that's okay we'll keep it in the
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yeah no that's okay we'll keep it in the video because that's that makes it
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video because that's that makes it
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video because that's that makes it better all right so um U but what if
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better all right so um U but what if
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better all right so um U but what if what when things go go wrong how do I
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what when things go go wrong how do I
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what when things go go wrong how do I how do I handle things when it does it
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how do I handle things when it does it
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how do I handle things when it does it when it doesn't work uh as intended with
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when it doesn't work uh as intended with
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when it doesn't work uh as intended with my deployment
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my deployment
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my deployment so the logs is an amazing thing in that
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so the logs is an amazing thing in that
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so the logs is an amazing thing in that the AOS mechanism of the complete
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the AOS mechanism of the complete
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the AOS mechanism of the complete console gives you all the insights about
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console gives you all the insights about
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console gives you all the insights about it and I'm sure we can easily handle
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it and I'm sure we can easily handle
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it and I'm sure we can easily handle them yeah okay so uh what else is there
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them yeah okay so uh what else is there
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them yeah okay so uh what else is there we need to know about
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we need to know about
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we need to know about devops um we've covered a lot of ground
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devops um we've covered a lot of ground
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devops um we've covered a lot of ground already yes there are many things so
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already yes there are many things so
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already yes there are many things so there's the the the we have covered the
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there's the the the we have covered the
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there's the the the we have covered the the project management just a little bit
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the project management just a little bit
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the project management just a little bit on the surface there and and some
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on the surface there and and some
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on the surface there and and some pipelines we have and you have a better
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pipelines we have and you have a better
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pipelines we have and you have a better idea even than I
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idea even than I
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idea even than I you also add your points into it what
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you also add your points into it what
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you also add your points into it what what what else is there uh in devops uh
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what what else is there uh in devops uh
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what what else is there uh in devops uh so as for like my experience what I
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so as for like my experience what I
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so as for like my experience what I using right now so I have just mentioned
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using right now so I have just mentioned
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using right now so I have just mentioned now it's you what what do you want to
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now it's you what what do you want to
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now it's you what what do you want to add into in this conversation that's a
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add into in this conversation that's a
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add into in this conversation that's a good question uh Turning Tables I like
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good question uh Turning Tables I like
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good question uh Turning Tables I like that yes so um I I find it useful to
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that yes so um I I find it useful to
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that yes so um I I find it useful to um work in the direction of full
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um work in the direction of full
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um work in the direction of full environment automation I know it's a
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environment automation I know it's a
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environment automation I know it's a little bit challenging to some
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little bit challenging to some
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little bit challenging to some organizations to do uh have you tried to
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organizations to do uh have you tried to
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organizations to do uh have you tried to deploy uh the whole testing environment
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deploy uh the whole testing environment
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deploy uh the whole testing environment infrastructure and and then deploy the
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infrastructure and and then deploy the
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infrastructure and and then deploy the application to that run your tests on
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application to that run your tests on
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application to that run your tests on the on the environment and then destroy
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the on the environment and then destroy
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the on the environment and then destroy them again good why why like have you
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them again good why why like have you
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them again good why why like have you tried to do that not myself even I did
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tried to do that not myself even I did
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tried to do that not myself even I did that but yes it's an advanced thing to
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that but yes it's an advanced thing to
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that but yes it's an advanced thing to do not myself I haven't Tred but but the
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do not myself I haven't Tred but but the
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do not myself I haven't Tred but but the value of this obviously right is there
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value of this obviously right is there
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value of this obviously right is there there are some there's a promise in the
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there are some there's a promise in the
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there are some there's a promise in the cloud right the promise is that it's pay
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cloud right the promise is that it's pay
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cloud right the promise is that it's pay per use only yes right that's that's the
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per use only yes right that's that's the
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per use only yes right that's that's the best so that's the best point right and
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best so that's the best point right and
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best so that's the best point right and if you don't have a resource in the
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if you don't have a resource in the
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if you don't have a resource in the cloud it's costing you nothing AB so you
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cloud it's costing you nothing AB so you
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cloud it's costing you nothing AB so you just remove the resource zero cost
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just remove the resource zero cost
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just remove the resource zero cost absolutely so so I I often say that uh
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absolutely so so I I often say that uh
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absolutely so so I I often say that uh what you should do when you come to or I
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what you should do when you come to or I
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what you should do when you come to or I work as a consultant what you need to do
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work as a consultant what you need to do
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work as a consultant what you need to do when you come to a customer is to to to
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when you come to a customer is to to to
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when you come to a customer is to to to hover take the delete button and and say
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hover take the delete button and and say
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hover take the delete button and and say I want I'm going to Del your test
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I want I'm going to Del your test
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I want I'm going to Del your test environment and if they go all crazy
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environment and if they go all crazy
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environment and if they go all crazy it's like no no no no don't touch that
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it's like no no no no don't touch that
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it's like no no no no don't touch that i'm then they probably haven't done
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i'm then they probably haven't done
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i'm then they probably haven't done enough automation right yes right but if
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enough automation right yes right but if
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enough automation right yes right but if I go and say I'm going to delete your
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I go and say I'm going to delete your
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I go and say I'm going to delete your test environment says I don't care just
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test environment says I don't care just
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test environment says I don't care just go ahead do it right and then they'll
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go ahead do it right and then they'll
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go ahead do it right and then they'll run some deployment and the test
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run some deployment and the test
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run some deployment and the test automation test test environment comes
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automation test test environment comes
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automation test test environment comes back yes automatically then that is
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back yes automatically then that is
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back yes automatically then that is enough of automation I would say you
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enough of automation I would say you
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enough of automation I would say you agree yes that I I 100% agree yeah so
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agree yes that I I 100% agree yeah so
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agree yes that I I 100% agree yeah so what's kind of your message there to
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what's kind of your message there to
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what's kind of your message there to organizations that haven't fully uh yet
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organizations that haven't fully uh yet
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organizations that haven't fully uh yet because there are many and like there
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because there are many and like there
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because there are many and like there are many organizations that are not
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are many organizations that are not
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are many organizations that are not using Automation and and uh and devops
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using Automation and and uh and devops
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using Automation and and uh and devops right a lot of lot of organizations so
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right a lot of lot of organizations so
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right a lot of lot of organizations so what is your message to them how should
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what is your message to them how should
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what is your message to them how should they what should they do yes so like I
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they what should they do yes so like I
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they what should they do yes so like I am based in India right so what I have
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am based in India right so what I have
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am based in India right so what I have seen over here in the Indian market
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seen over here in the Indian market
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seen over here in the Indian market because I have in even my or I would say
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because I have in even my or I would say
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because I have in even my or I would say my experience right now where I'm
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my experience right now where I'm
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my experience right now where I'm working so I have many customer they
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working so I have many customer they
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working so I have many customer they still they are using the old classical
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still they are using the old classical
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still they are using the old classical way to manage their project development
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way to manage their project development
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way to manage their project development and that's taking lot so much time time
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and that's taking lot so much time time
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and that's taking lot so much time time and even there's no quality code there's
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and even there's no quality code there's
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and even there's no quality code there's no quality testing so time and quality
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no quality testing so time and quality
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no quality testing so time and quality yes I would say and the performance I
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yes I would say and the performance I
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yes I would say and the performance I would say of of the of the on on
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would say of of the of the on on
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would say of of the of the on on employees because what they are writing
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employees because what they are writing
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employees because what they are writing they this which is not I would say it's
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they this which is not I would say it's
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they this which is not I would say it's not a good code but if you do the 100%
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not a good code but if you do the 100%
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not a good code but if you do the 100% unit unit testing using uh code coverage
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unit unit testing using uh code coverage
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unit unit testing using uh code coverage and along with that you keep keep
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and along with that you keep keep
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and along with that you keep keep testing your code on every stages using
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testing your code on every stages using
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testing your code on every stages using any other mechanism what you do but
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any other mechanism what you do but
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any other mechanism what you do but using specifically as your devops what
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using specifically as your devops what
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using specifically as your devops what my message is we should at least try
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my message is we should at least try
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my message is we should at least try because there are many there are many
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because there are many there are many
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because there are many there are many tools available but when you when I
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tools available but when you when I
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tools available but when you when I experience this this is an amazing and
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experience this this is an amazing and
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experience this this is an amazing and it's made my life easy so if if a um if
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it's made my life easy so if if a um if
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it's made my life easy so if if a um if we round off with like a final final
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we round off with like a final final
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we round off with like a final final thought then what what should I do if I
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thought then what what should I do if I
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thought then what what should I do if I am a manager if I'm listening right and
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am a manager if I'm listening right and
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am a manager if I'm listening right and I'm a manager somewhere and I know that
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I'm a manager somewhere and I know that
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I'm a manager somewhere and I know that we are not doing our best yet in in
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we are not doing our best yet in in
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we are not doing our best yet in in terms of in terms of Automation and
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terms of in terms of Automation and
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terms of in terms of Automation and devops how do we retrain or how do we
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devops how do we retrain or how do we
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devops how do we retrain or how do we add this tool to our organization what
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add this tool to our organization what
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add this tool to our organization what would be this the steps that I so
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would be this the steps that I so
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would be this the steps that I so there's a little bit learning curve
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there's a little bit learning curve
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there's a little bit learning curve first that we can definitely we can
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first that we can definitely we can
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first that we can definitely we can follow up on a Microsoft official
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follow up on a Microsoft official
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follow up on a Microsoft official website on Azure on somewhere else yeah
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website on Azure on somewhere else yeah
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website on Azure on somewhere else yeah so there are many things many learning
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so there are many things many learning
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so there are many things many learning resources there so first thing first
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resources there so first thing first
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resources there so first thing first what I would suggest we should have a
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what I would suggest we should have a
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what I would suggest we should have a learning curve in in in on personal or
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learning curve in in in on personal or
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learning curve in in in on personal or professional life as well we should get
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professional life as well we should get
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professional life as well we should get into our mind and the second thing is
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into our mind and the second thing is
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into our mind and the second thing is the adoption level we should be for this
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the adoption level we should be for this
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the adoption level we should be for this adoption because whenever we try to
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adoption because whenever we try to
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adoption because whenever we try to adopt something new it's a big challenge
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adopt something new it's a big challenge
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adopt something new it's a big challenge for everyone to adopt and to start and
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for everyone to adopt and to start and
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for everyone to adopt and to start and we then we we start complaining to our
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we then we we start complaining to our
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we then we we start complaining to our managers like this is not working this
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managers like this is not working this
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managers like this is not working this is bad there something else so the
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is bad there something else so the
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is bad there something else so the problem is that you're or the challenge
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problem is that you're or the challenge
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problem is that you're or the challenge is you're saying that there's a little
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is you're saying that there's a little
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is you're saying that there's a little bit of a learning curve and it takes a
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bit of a learning curve and it takes a
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bit of a learning curve and it takes a bit of investment yes at least because
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bit of investment yes at least because
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bit of investment yes at least because whenever you just deploy your
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whenever you just deploy your
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whenever you just deploy your applications of your own cloud it's cost
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applications of your own cloud it's cost
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applications of your own cloud it's cost you right so but the best part is uh
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you right so but the best part is uh
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you right so but the best part is uh it's you have it's one time investment
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it's you have it's one time investment
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it's you have it's one time investment right yeah yeah so after the initial
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right yeah yeah so after the initial
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right yeah yeah so after the initial pain and Str
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pain and Str
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pain and Str theit is forever 100% all right
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theit is forever 100% all right
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theit is forever 100% all right brilliant thank you so much for being on
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brilliant thank you so much for being on
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brilliant thank you so much for being on the CL today I just shared my experience
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the CL today I just shared my experience
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the CL today I just shared my experience I'm not
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I'm not
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I'm not sure can help through others but yes I
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sure can help through others but yes I
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sure can help through others but yes I just shared thank you thank you so uh
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just shared thank you thank you so uh
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just shared thank you thank you so uh thank you for being here I loved it and
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thank you for being here I loved it and
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thank you for being here I loved it and uh thank you audience and I will see you
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uh thank you audience and I will see you
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uh thank you audience and I will see you next time on the cloud show thank you
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next time on the cloud show thank you
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next time on the cloud show thank you [Music]