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With Sam Ersson as a restricted free agent, who could the Philadelphia Flyers sign in free agency or trade for as their backup goalie behind Dan Vladar?
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place is is figuring out what the Flyers
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want to do at backup goalie. Uh Sam
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Harrison is
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>> Sam Harrison is a restricted free agent.
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Let's just start there. Do you think the
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Flyers should bring Sam Harrison back?
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Um,
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no. But I if they sign him to a one-year
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contract
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and it's telegraphing like, "Look,
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you're you're here. We still like you,
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but you are not guaranteed the backup
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role. If we sign someone else, maybe you
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wait. There's no rush to get Erison
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signed, right? He's an RFA. You don't
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have to lock him up on July 1st. So
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maybe you see how the free agency market
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shakes out and then you make a decision
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or you know you maybe you make a trade
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in mid July and then you sign Arison to
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or you let Arison walk or whatever like
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they don't have to do an Arison contract
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immediately because I don't think
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anyone's going to offer Sheetum first of
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all and you can afford to wait to see
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what the market is. Um, Dale and Zagris,
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you should get those done sooner than
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later because, you know, those those
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ones might be a little bit more a little
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bit more at risk, though. I I'm sure the
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Flyers would probably match and those
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guys probably wouldn't sign one anyway.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, you can wait on
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air, but I feel like the Flyers want to
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make a decision before before July 1st.
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Like, they don't want to see how it
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shakes out. Like, I feel like they want
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to identify a guy or identify that
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Samson might be okay in a backup role.
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We saw him after the Olympic break. He
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went six and one, 912 save percentage,
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199 goals against. A key reason that the
1:42
Flyers made a playoff push there, but it
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was also a key reason that they had to
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make a push because he was awful in
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January. Um especially when Dan Vardar
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was hurt. Like I think the Flyers will
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move on from Sam Harrison. I think they
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probably should. And you know what? Sam
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Harrison's probably going to go
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somewhere, bounce back a little bit, but
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it's not going to be a should have kept
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situation. like it's it's it's a risk
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where the Flyers are ready to take that
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next step and it's unfair to the skaters
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to have a backup goalie that you can't
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rely on if Lar gets hurt for a few weeks
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and then you're just completely down
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down in the dumps again.
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>> That injury thing is important too
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because we mentioned it at the top. This
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is going to be an 84 game season.
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>> Um that's grueling on the skaters. I
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think for the goalenders it might be
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even worse. Like there aren't many
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60game starting goalenders anymore.
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>> No.
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>> Like it's Connor Hellabuk, Vazaleki,
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maybe Jussi Sorrowos, and that's about
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it. Like, oh, a Sherkin, I guess, but he
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got hurt last year. So,
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>> yeah,
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>> you know, the the backup role is so much
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more important going forward, I think,
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just because the way that the NHL is
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trending. It was already trending
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towards tandemss. Now, you have a longer
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season. You'll have your playoff guy.
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Vladar, unless he falls off a cliff for
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some reason, he's going to be the Flyers
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playoff guy next year if they make it,
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>> but you got to get a guy who can fill in
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if he's injured and handle that starting
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load. I I still think Steuart Skinner
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might be worth the gamble if he's
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affordable. Um, but if you can trade
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like a third round pick, I the the the
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Capitals found Logan Thompson for two
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third round picks. I mean,
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>> yeah,
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>> if you can pull something like I saw
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earlier in the chat someone mentioned
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Joseph Wool. I'd be cool with that as
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long as it wasn't expensive. Like in
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Buffalo, you've got UPL, Alex Lion, uh
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another guy, and then Deon Levi is like
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their fourth string goalie or something
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>> like Oh yeah. So maybe maybe you give
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Deon Levi a change of scenery. that like
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there might be more options on the trade
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market than free agency, but we'll see
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what pans out.
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>> Yeah, Joseph Wall, shout out Dennis
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Herring here in the chat. He's been
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pretty active here reacting uh catching
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us live from Nova Scotia. So, shout out
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to uh to Dennis here. Uh yeah, Joseph
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Wall, the Flyers were reportedly
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interested in him um at the deadline or
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before the deadline. Um Jper Walstead is
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an interesting name as well in
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Minnesota. Uh uh Sebastian Casa was a a
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good prospect for the Red Wings, but
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they have
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>> um they have some other guy at Grand
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Rapids. Well, they have Trey Augustine
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at Michigan State, and they also have
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some other guy that really is starting
4:30
in the AHL playoffs for them that's not
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Sebastian Kasa. So,
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>> goalie factory.
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>> Yeah, they have they have John Gibson,
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they have Cam Talbot, like they could be
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looking to move them. Joseph Wall would
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be an interesting trade candidate um
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there as well. um free agency. There's
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>> I was just gonna say that with like Kasa
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or um even Levi, there's a bit more risk
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there. Like Sam Harrison has shown like
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the ups and downs of a young backup
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goalender in the NHL. Those guys are
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even younger and probably less proven
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than Sam Harrison is at this point. like
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you're you're betting bigger on the
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upside, but you're taking the risk that
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they are also worse long term or at
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least next year than Ursen was this
5:16
season. So, you know, you Walstead I
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would be all in on, but he's going to be
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expensive because the Wild need a center
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unless they really love Noah Kates.
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>> Well, they might
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>> Minnesota is kind of in a cap crunch as
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well. So, like you could send them Noah
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Kates, which is 4 million, take Walstead
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from them, maybe take a bad contract as
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well from them. Like that's something I
5:43
would love to connect with the Wild on
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on another trade because I I feel like
5:46
the Flyers won the brink for Euro check
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one. Like I feel like that was a a risk
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worth taking.
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>> Yes.
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>> Yeah. But going back
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>> I I was just going to say back at the
5:54
deadline I'm like I don't think people
5:56
appreciate how good this trade is. Like
5:58
you, nobody is everybody's so mad they
6:00
didn't trade Risto that they didn't
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realize, hey, we just traded a very
6:03
redundant Bobby Brink for a sixth
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overall pick. Like
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>> that's pretty big. That's a huge deal.
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Anyway, sorry.
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>> Then the wild healthy scratch Bobby
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Brink in the playoffs. Like come on.
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What? What are you doing? Free Bobby.
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>> You deserve to lose to the Avalanche in
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five like that. What an embarrassment.
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God.
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>> Yeah. But but I I think the Flyers do
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need a veteran who has played 40 50
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games in a season before. Like Dan Ludar
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of course played uh 51 starts in the
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regular season, 10 more in the playoffs.
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By far the most he's ever played in a
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season. He was injured in the Pittsburgh
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series when Brian Rust fell on his arm
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and he's not going to the World
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Championships because of that. So, you
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know, that's interesting.
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>> You mentioned that he was not on the
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injury list that they released during
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exit interviews. They didn't they didn't
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clarify what kind of injury Ladar had,
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did they? Like I didn't see.
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>> No. No, they didn't. No.
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>> Okay. So, mystery injury for Dan Ladar.
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I don't love that.
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>> I wonder if it was just something very
7:00
shortterm and he doesn't want to risk
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anything going over there. But that's
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something got to keep an eye on. Like
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Envar, you know, proved he could do it
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for one season. Can he do it for two or
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will it will it pile up on him in an 84
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game season? So I yeah, the Flyers
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should get somebody that can be a tandem
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and honestly they can trust in the
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playoffs because most of these teams in
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the playoffs have used both goalies.
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Buffalo did.
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>> Um Vegas Montreal Montreal used Fowler a
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little bit.
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>> Um
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>> I think the ABS ABS ABS have gone back
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and forth between Wedgewood and
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Blackwood. Like they don't know who's
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going to be starting for them. Um
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>> the Lumberyard.
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Yeah. So like and you look at these free
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agent goalies and you can find someone
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like I I I now trust Danny Breier, Ken
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Kim Dillal to find to find a goalie
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here. Um let me just list off some names
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here. Babski, Steuart Skinner, Connor
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Ingram, Freddy Anderson, no thanks. Cam
8:00
Talbot, David Ridditch could be
8:02
interesting. another Czech goalie,
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former Calgary Flame, uh Denil Terasoff,
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Eric Comry, Vitec Danichek are the ones
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projected to at least a million. Um
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>> I did not realize Connor Ingram I did
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not realize Connor Ingram was a UFA this
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summer.
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>> I would be all over that. Um he was on
8:24
the he was on the path to becoming like
8:27
the Utah Mammoths starter. It was it was
8:30
a season where him and Vimelco were kind
8:31
of battling it out. They both had a
8:33
really good year and then Ingram um he
8:36
was dealing with uh some personal
8:38
tragedy. He was really bad to start the
8:40
season and then he's like I can't play
8:42
like I
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>> he took I think the rest of the season
8:45
off uh and then in the off season had a
8:48
discussion with the Mammoth. Vimela had
8:50
seized the reigns and was the clear
8:52
starter for the Mammoth and um they
8:54
waved him to put him in the AHL to get
8:57
him some reps and then they traded him
8:59
to the Oilers. though I I I would take a
9:03
gamble on Ingram if he's available cuz
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he had a banner year. Um struggled a
9:10
little bit with the Oilers, but they
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seem to just be hanging goalies out to
9:13
dry anyway. Like
9:15
>> so I I would be I thought he had one
9:18
more year left. Thank you for bringing
9:19
that up then because now I'm like forget
9:21
Steuart Skitter. Let's go for this other
9:22
Edmonton goalie.
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>> Yeah, I mean he has the best save
9:25
percentage out of those guys this past
9:27
season. 899. Uh, Teras off 895. Reich
9:31
894. Um, Eric Comry 890.
9:34
>> Oh, not Comry.
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>> Another guy. No, not
9:38
let me let me just let me keep cooking
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here.
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>> Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.
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>> No, no. I'm saying no. No. Let me keep
9:43
cooking here.
9:44
>> Sergey Babroski. Let's go for Let's go
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full full circle. Let's bring him back.
9:49
He can help Mechov out a little bit.
9:51
He's a guy who's wanted to stay on the
9:53
stay on the cuffs before. he can be a
9:55
tandem. If he bounces back and is
9:57
willing to come to Philly, I would be
9:59
open to it.
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>> I, you know, if we're talking about
10:04
short-term overpays, Bob would be quite
10:08
the short-term overpay to go after um
10:13
I don't know, two, what is he? He's 38
10:15
years old now. 39.
10:17
>> Uh it says 37 here on cap. I don't know.
10:20
Um, he turns 38 in September. So, he
10:23
will be 38 by the time the season
10:25
starts.
10:26
>> Okay. I mean, he wasn't very good this
10:29
year, but again, the Panthers were kind
10:31
of a shell of them for their former
10:33
selves. Um,
10:35
>> that would be I Oh, if he wants to come
10:38
back, I wonder if he's like,
10:40
>> "Screw the Philadelphia Flyers. They
10:42
really did me wrong 15 years ago and he
10:45
doesn't want to come back."
10:46
>> I mean, he was teammates with Briier for
10:48
a bit there in Philly. Like maybe he he
10:51
let me let me see if there's any quotes
10:52
uh about but like yeah like you you
10:55
bring him in he could be the he could be
10:56
the Russian friend from Ichkov. He could
10:58
help mentor Zagen the dragon when he
11:00
comes over from the KHL. Like
11:03
>> I I would not I would not hate bringing
11:05
uh bringing Bob in.
11:07
>> This one is not a burned soup like the
11:09
earlier cooking of Afghani Malin was.
11:11
I'm more into bringing Bob in if uh if
11:14
he's open to it. But the Panthers don't
11:16
really have any goalending options
11:17
behind him. So they they traded Spencer
11:21
Knight like Oops.
11:23
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I I feel like I feel like
11:26
the Panthers like they're probably going
11:28
to get one of these one of these guys in
11:30
free agency. But yeah, I mean you got
11:31
Ingram Ingram, you got Skinner. Like I'd
11:34
be happy with either of those guys. Big
11:36
save Dave Ridditch. I'd love him
11:38
>> come in as well. like, yeah, get another
11:40
one of these, you know, journeyman
11:41
veterans that, you know, have have Dillo
11:44
watch some tape, identify a guy they can
11:46
bring in and take a take a larger load
11:49
load and, you know, see see if you can
11:51
find uh the DAR 2.0. No.
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