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It's rumored that the Flyers might be interested in a trade for Matty Beniers of the Seattle Kraken. Ryan Gilbert, Joe DeMarini, and Jacob Russell discuss why he might be a good trade target for the Flyers.
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For you guys, how would you rank it? If
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you're choosing between Beniers,
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McTavish, Matthews, and um
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Robert Thomas, who would be your top Who
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would be your top? Forget forget
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acquisition cost cuz that would play
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into it, but like
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>> Well, that you have to factor that
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acquisition cost. Otherwise, you just go
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Matthews, Thomas, Beniers, McTavish,
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which McTavish, you might just need a
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second and like a good prospect at a
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certain point. Like in the middle of the
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season, it might come to that point, you
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know. Well, let let let let's So, let's
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table that that question real quick cuz
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I want to talk Like like we talked about
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McTavish, but like Beniers would be more
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willing to move stuff for, and I think
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Seattle's in a better position where
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they're not in a win-now mode like the
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Ducks are. So, like for Seattle, do you
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think they would consider like a Jett
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Lucheko and
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a meal Andre or Jett Lucheko and and
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Ristolainen to to get a center that's a
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few years younger, buy them buy them
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another few more years to to rebuild
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with, or would they want like a Tippett
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for for Beniers? And would you do that?
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>> I think they're looking more for someone
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now because they have the WNBA coming
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and they need to they need to like take
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over the city, and they're not doing it.
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They need to make a splash, and they
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don't have the roster for it. I I don't
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know I don't know how they get
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themselves to make a splash.
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>> Yeah, I don't know.
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I I You feel like if you're smart,
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you got to know that this team is not
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going to compete for a championship or
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you know, even next year realistically,
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maybe even a playoff playoff spot. Like
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the West should not be as bad next year
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realistically. Like it just it shouldn't
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be. Um and they were able to limp along
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with a team that, you know, you had guys
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like Barkley Catton and Ryker Evans on
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there, young guys who were just trying
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to find their way. But then you also got
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Jamie Oleksiak. You get Bobby McMann in,
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and it's like, what was that for? Why'd
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you get Bobby McMann? And and like I
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said, you get Chandler Stephenson after
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he did the whole misfits the misfits era
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with the the Golden Knights and it's
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just stupid. It's just it's just not
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smart.
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>> The worst contract in the league.
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>> Maybe.
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>> I It's a bad It's a bad contract. It's a
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bad
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>> It's not good, you know, it's really not
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good and the team doesn't look good.
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They don't have anybody who can score
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and their goaltending is, you know, Joey
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Daccord took a step back. Grubauer is
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good sometimes and also not good
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sometimes and that's kind of on a
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year-by-year basis.
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I You would have to imagine they want
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futures and the Flyers will have
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prospects. They have B-level, C-level
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prospects that you can flip around and
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change guys out for. Like I don't know
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how highly Yanni Gourde is viewed right
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now around the NHL. I don't know if
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there's a lot of teams banging down the
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door to get Yanni Gourde as a return,
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but I don't know why
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the Kraken would want like an Owen
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Tippett either.
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Like by the time you're good, Owen
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Tippett's 32.
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And he's a guy who relies on his speed
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for offense. I mean it's not like the
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Flyers, you know, will play a different
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sort of game, right? They they they will
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evolve around Tippett and I don't think
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it's like a an anchor of a deal or
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anything, but
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you're you're wasting a guy who's in his
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prime if you trade him to
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the Kraken and have him run the night
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shift for the next 2 years scoring, you
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know, 25 goals on a team that stinks.
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So I I just I It seems like they'd look
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for picks.
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I feel like a prospect of Maybe it's
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Yanni Gourde. How about like Yanni
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Gourde a first and a third?
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It's a lot. It's steep, but
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>> How would you feel on draft night if it
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comes up? All right, Flyers have traded
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the pick to Seattle for for for Matty
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Beniers.
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>> Yeah, that's good. I don't think
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>> First round pick and and Yanni Gourde
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and yeah, whatever else. Some other
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prospect.
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>> If it's a first, Yanni Gourde and
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another prospect, I don't think it's
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crazy.
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I Yanni Gourde hasn't really proven
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>> Technically he's a first round pick, top
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15 pick, but he still have that value he
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shouldn't have been a top 15 pick.
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>> But it seems expensive like
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>> [sighs]
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>> It does seem expensive.
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>> For McTavish the team is clearly out on
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him. Like they they seem done with him.
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I don't think the Kraken are done with
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Beniers. They're open to moving him, but
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they're not trying to shed him. They're
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not trying to get rid of him in the same
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way that the Ducks might be trying to
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move on from McTavish. So you would have
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to pay a premium for Beniers.
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>> And I don't know
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I don't know if I want to pay that
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premium. I don't know if he's a high
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enough talent to be worth that premium.
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Um, but
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>> know how much of a premium it's going to
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be honestly. Like I I haven't read up on
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what the price might be for Beniers.
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But like looking at it from Seattle's
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perspective they're not going to be good
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again next year. Beniers is going to put
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up another 40-50 points whatever. They
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don't have the offense to get Beniers
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more value.
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As he gets older and people are like
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okay, this is what he is. They're not
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going to be able to get as much value
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for him when he's 25 and had 50 points
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rather than 23, had 50 points playing on
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the top line, can still go somewhere
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else and and find his game somewhere.
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>> Would you take Beniers over
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>> Sorry, I was just going to bring up
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another Kraken center that's kind of on
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the outs with the team and that's Shane
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Wright. So I was going to ask
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who would you prefer?
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>> Uh, Shane Wright seems more of a piss
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baby. So I would probably prefer uh,
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Matty Beniers even if Shane Wright does
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have a higher ceiling. Um,
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I think they're probably
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kind of similar. Shane Wright hasn't
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signed his big contract yet, right? So
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>> Yeah.
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>> He's got one year I think left on the
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ELC.
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>> think it's going to be a big contract.
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>> No, and I don't mind that Beniers is
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locked up till 2031 at 7.1 million. Like
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I feel like he's
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at the very least his
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his floor is Christian Dvorak. His floor
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is Christian Dvorak with the ceiling of
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I don't know, like a decent like a good
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2C or a lower tier lower tier 1C. I feel
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like
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you might be able to buy Beniers towards
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his towards his lowest towards his
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lowest point while he still has that
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potential.
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>> I I don't think they want to trade
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Beniers away. I don't think it's ideal
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for them and given just how
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how kind of like mid they've been
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offensively as a team, I think they kind
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of understand that it's not entirely on
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Beniers to why he hasn't
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scored 30 goals or, you know, hit the
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60-70 point mark. Um
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but he's played four full seasons with
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the Kraken.
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Um he played
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you know, 10 games after he left the
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the Wolverines in in '21-'22, but he's
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played 80 games, 77, 82, 82 the last
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four four seasons. He's been really
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healthy.
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Hasn't really improved since his first
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year. He kind of took a little step back
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for those two years after his first full
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season and then, you know, this year was
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pretty decent, 50 points in 82 games,
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but these teams aren't good. He's not
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playing with teams that really are
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successful
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uh at anything and
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I don't know. It it would make sense if
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all that the Kraken were looking
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looking to get were future assets and
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they're trying to build for the, you
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know,
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two, three years down the road.
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It would make sense that, yeah,
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they get rid of Beniers and try to start
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this process over again. I get why it's
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kind of, you know, not appealing though
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for them because, you know, I
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>> They've got to
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>> kind of admitting that this next
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two-year window is just not going to be
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it, at least the next two years. I think
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it's going to be longer cuz they don't
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have a ton of, you know, really valuable
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pieces on the roster right now.
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>> I'm looking here at Beniers linemates
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two years ago uh 459 minutes with Jaden
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Schwartz and Kaapo Kakko. So, that kind
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of explains why he didn't put any
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company any numbers that year.
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>> Two years ago?
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>> Uh 24, 25, yeah.
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>> I didn't realize they'd traded Kaapo
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Kaapo Kakko that long ago. That's crazy.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah, it's been
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>> I thought that was I thought that was
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that year, honestly.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah, but so yeah, but but near's I
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think is the top target. I don't know
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how I would feel about well, between him
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and McTavish. We'll get to Thomas and
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Austin Matthews, but I don't know how I
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feel about trading with the Ducks again.
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Like I don't know if we need to add any
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more blood to that rivalry, like
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>> Unless
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it's Leo Carlsson, but we all know
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that's
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>> it's Leo Carlsson, yes, Joe. Yes.
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>> [laughter]
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>> Pie in the sky, baby. Pie in the sky.
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