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The Philadelphia Flyers should go after defenseman John Carlson this offseason. Ryan Gilbert and Joe DeMarini discuss why on this clip from the most recent BSH Podcast.
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Okay, let's get to the headliner here.
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Uh we talked about Liam Carlsen in
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Anaheim. What about John Carlson in
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Anaheim? I wrote the article
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broadstreet.com published on Monday. Uh
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John Carlson should be the fly one of
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the Flyers top free agent targets this
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off-season. You got there in Radish.
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Everyone's looking at Darren Radish. He
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had a career year in Tampa. Tampa's
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going to try to resign him. He's going
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to want a longer term deal. He's 30
0:24
years old. That's one that can age
0:27
poorly. John Carlson can also age
0:29
poorly, but it's probably going to be a
0:31
two or three-year deal.
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And there there's a few different
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reasons that that is going to work. You
0:35
know, he he has the connection with Todd
0:37
Reirden. Todd Reirden coached him as the
0:39
defenseman coach in Washington before he
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became the head coach and John Carlson
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gave him a vote of confidence before he
0:47
became the head coach in 2018.
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Uh the Flyers can afford to overpay a
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little bit if they have to. As I just
0:54
said with Dougie Hamilton, you know,
0:57
that with Christian Dvorak giving him a
0:59
higher cap hit to lower the years. Maybe
1:01
you do that with Carlson to get it down
1:03
to two years instead of three or whatnot
1:06
here.
1:07
And like Carlson
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you have to change something for the
1:11
power play. Like you have to bring in
1:13
somebody that knows what they're doing.
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And yeah, John Carlson, he was able to
1:17
just pass it to to Ovi and get some some
1:20
one-timer assists there for a portion of
1:23
his career, but he went to Anaheim. He's
1:25
still pretty good on the power play
1:27
there. He's still playing 23 24 minutes
1:30
a night. You can
1:31
you can even pencil him in
1:33
as the second pair of defenseman, third
1:34
pair of defenseman even behind Drysdale.
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You know, you make Bokk really prove
1:39
that he's ready. You give him a decent
1:42
um bar to jump over that's not just Noah
1:45
Juulsen or whoever else they bring in
1:47
for that that sixth seventh defenseman
1:49
role.
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And he's a guy that can help mentor
1:52
Jamie Drysdale, Oliver Bokk, David
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Jiricek. He can pass on his power play
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prowess to those younger guys. And I
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think Carlson could want to play in
2:02
Philly. Like he he's like he's he's not
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going back to Washington. He's not
2:06
taking a discount.
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I think Todd Reirden could could
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possibly help bring Carlson to Philly.
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And he it's close to where he spent his
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entire career. It's like a 2-hour drive
2:16
from here to DC or whatever. So, you
2:18
know, moving back to the like a
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neighborhood that he's familiar with,
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that is probably helpful for him and his
2:24
family. Um
2:25
I'm I'm into the Carlson idea. The The
2:27
risk for Carlson is that he drops off
2:29
immediately. Like the age decline just
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hits him out like a freight train.
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Doesn't look like that's going to
2:35
happen.
2:36
But if you sign him for a two or
2:37
three-year contract, you're right. You
2:39
just move him to the third pair. Yeah,
2:41
he's overpaid, but it's only for like a
2:43
year. And you hope that Bonk and
2:45
Drysdale or Sanheim is back on the right
2:48
side, um
2:50
can step in where he has like fallen
2:53
down the lineup. With Radish, if you
2:54
have to If you have to sign him to like
2:56
a 7-year contract,
2:59
then you're stuck with it. I I'm still
3:01
open to the idea of Radish
3:03
on like a four or five-year contract
3:06
at I don't know, 6 million, 6 and a half
3:09
even.
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Maybe like
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The The thing is I have to imagine that
3:15
Radish and his agent are both well aware
3:18
he's never done this before. He's never
3:20
had a 70-point season or anything even
3:22
close. Uh so unless a team is willing to
3:24
just be like, "Here's 8 and a half
3:26
million for 7 years because we're
3:27
desperate to make a move and we need to
3:28
look like we're doing something."
3:30
I think they have to know that teams are
3:32
going to be wary to hand out big term
3:34
and
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like overpay. But he'll he'll be getting
3:37
a raise from his $925,000
3:40
a year salary uh for this for this
3:43
>> be getting He might He could get 10
3:44
times that.
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He could get 10 times that.
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And um
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as we talk about these defensemen,
3:51
both of them are right shots, right?
3:52
John Carlson's a right shot. Yeah.
3:55
All of this is predicated on the Flyers
3:57
trading Rasmus Ristolainen. Like there's
4:00
there's very little world I can see
4:03
this
4:05
like acquiring a defenseman to play on
4:07
the power play without moving out Risto.
4:10
It's It's not like that Risto's bad, but
4:12
he's at peak value.
4:14
He's got 1 year left until he's a UFA.
4:17
And as good defensively and physically
4:20
as he was in the playoffs, five points
4:22
by the way.
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Way to go, Risto.
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Um
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I just think there's less of a role for
4:28
him here now than there was this past
4:31
season.
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Um
4:33
I mean, maybe they do something left
4:34
field and trade Nick Seeler and then
4:36
it's like, well, crap, I guess we do
4:37
have to keep Risto now, but No, but then
4:40
you have then you still have the the
4:41
right-handed defenseman issue. Like
4:43
Hakstol really likes having right hand
4:44
on the right side, left hand on the on
4:46
the left side.
4:46
>> Bonk Bonk and Yurov check, they they're
4:48
going to need minutes. Like if you do
4:50
acquire one of these defensemen,
4:53
you We talked about the logjam earlier.
4:55
Then you really got one on the blue line
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cuz you got Sanheim,
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Carlson, York, Drysdale, Seeler, Risto,
5:02
if you don't trade Risto, and then
5:04
you've got Yurov check and then you've
5:06
got Yurov check and Bonk that are
5:07
probably get Yurov check has to make the
5:08
team because he's not waivers exempt. Um
5:11
so Yurov check would be your seventh,
5:13
right? And then Emil Andrae, maybe he
5:14
stays.
5:15
Um
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you If you sign one of these guys and
5:19
don't trade Risto or another defenseman,
5:21
you've got you've got a bit of a
5:24
bit of a backlog on the back end.
5:27
Yeah, I I forgot Yurov check is is is
5:31
would have to go through waivers. That
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is uh could be an issue there.
5:35
>> take that risk. He's a sixth overall
5:37
pick. You He would get Yeah,
5:38
he would have to be he would have to be
5:40
the seventh then. So yeah, but but I'm
5:42
I'm completely down trading Risto. Like
5:44
I feel like this summer is when you have
5:45
to trade Risto. He was great against the
5:48
Penguins, not as good against the
5:50
Hurricanes, had the had the Olympics as
5:53
well. So, like you still have the
5:55
leverage of oh, we'll just go into the
5:57
season with him, maybe trade him at the
5:59
deadline, or do an own rental thing if
6:01
we're
6:02
in contention again. So,
6:04
this summer makes sense to to trade
6:05
Risto and
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you have like I'm I'm sick of seeing
6:09
Risto on the power play. You have to get
6:10
someone in there that can that can
6:12
quarterback the power play. And you got
6:16
This is why this is why I think Radish
6:18
would be the fix is because what do they
6:19
want on the power play? They want a
6:21
cannon on the blue line. So, Drysdale's
6:23
going to go work on his shot this
6:25
summer. Maybe he gets it up a few miles
6:26
an hour and like can
6:28
come close to that. Radish has an
6:31
unbelievable blast from the blue line.
6:35
Carlson, I think is pretty good, but
6:37
also
6:39
that could go away faster.
6:41
You know, I like
6:43
I guess it depends on the fit the Flyers
6:45
are looking for. We know that they like
6:47
to have a big point shot on the power
6:50
play. I mean, yeah, but like did they
6:53
just want that because nothing else was
6:55
working? Because they were like, all
6:56
right, let's get a puck on that. Let's
6:57
see if we can get a bounce, see if we
6:58
can can get get something something
7:00
lucky here.
7:01
That's that's a fair point. I mean,
7:05
Tough guy Tough guy preaches getting to
7:06
the center of the ice, get to the net.
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And if you get a big point shot through
7:10
that bounces off the goalie, someone's
7:12
there to clean up the garbage. Um
7:15
I don't know. Maybe Michkov comes in
7:16
next season and is just doing so well
7:18
and so good at finding seams and like
7:20
pretty passes on the power play. They
7:22
don't need a big point shot because
7:23
they're doing all their work around the
7:25
around the boards,
7:27
which would be great.
7:28
Yeah, and I I one of the Broad Street
7:30
Hockey comments, I think on um a
7:33
different power play article, mentioned
7:34
how like in Washington they would use
7:37
Kuznetsov and Backstrom as two left
7:39
shots like on the right side to kind of
7:42
use it from down there and then you have
7:44
options there. So I feel like you could
7:45
do that with Zegras. You could do that
7:47
with Michkov and then you have
7:49
Forrester, Martonen in front and then
7:51
Carlson at at at the point. Like I feel
7:53
like that's something
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>> Love it. that they could put together.
7:56
One of the comments about
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I just got chills. about that.
8:00
One of the comments on my article though
8:02
said like that they don't want Carlson
8:04
because they said uh I already have
8:06
Yurov check penciled in on power play
8:08
one and bottom pair even with McDonald,
8:11
Bonk, Merzlykin. So unless Risto goes,
8:13
Carlson is not necessary. Like McDonald
8:15
is not making the NHL team unless they
8:17
trade Seeler and he or Seeler gets hurt
8:20
and McDonald really impresses in camp.
8:22
Bonk, I could see Bonk start Bonk should
8:24
start the season in in the AHL
8:26
especially if Yurov check Yurov check
8:28
has to be waivers exempt unless he's
8:30
hurt or whatever. Um so yes, you
8:34
probably would have to trade Risto to
8:36
bring in a guy like Carlson. Maybe you
8:38
can find someone who is comfortable
8:40
playing third pair and quarterback a
8:42
power play. But like John Carlson I
8:45
think is the guy. It will be an overpay.
8:48
If the Flyers sign him, the sticker
8:49
shock will be there but it will be
8:52
manageable for
8:54
Hopefully it's only two years. If it's
8:56
three years, I think that that's okay
8:58
too cuz the cap's only going up and the
9:00
Flyers are going to have more young guys
9:02
coming up replacing the these uh these
9:05
higher contracts. So I feel like John
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Carlson is
9:09
is my guy right now. I feel like he he's
9:11
my top target.
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