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Residency and Visa Options for UK Nationals in Spain | Pellicer & Heredia Abogados
Oct 29, 2024
Residency and Visa Options for UK Nationals in Spain are among the many legal issues discussed here with Ignacio and Pedro from Pellicer & Heredia. Every other Wednesday morning, your international lawyers based on the Costa Blanca are in chatting with Moody about the latest laws affecting those living in Spain...or those who wish to continue living in Spain post Brexit.
There's lots about residency in here, plus the different options - including Golden Visas - available to non-residents.
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is there anything you can say to people now that didn't apply before the 31st of december for the tie for
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residency what are their options now i am reluctant to think it's too late a different thing is whether we're going to be successful
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through the process that's a different story this is bay radio a welcome addition to the
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show the last month i guess we've done two already with ignacio from pay fair and already
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and joined by pedro this morning as well got the whole team in uh bienvenidos who's coming first good
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morning
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different times and some months ago you may have been in with cal of an afternoon yes that's right and but i'm happy to join you and of
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course to explain or maybe answer i mean any questions that may appear during the conversations that we have
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we're having that extremely important that we are trying to get as more information as
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possible regarding the visa and the situation with the with with the brexit um yes i mean this
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week it's been have you seen the the problems at alicante airport in particular the people sent back straight away right because they thought
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they had the right papers they didn't they didn't have the spanish residency certificate had everything else
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but it was a little bit early um it was yesterday that they um the travel the ban for uk visitors
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but they're still not really supposed to leave the uh the uk anyway so from today if you've got a property maybe that's that's what we talked about
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before isn't it if people need if they're selling or have to do something essential with the property they can
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yeah that's right the way i understand is from the uk they allow you to come
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but spain is the one that needs to have a say as well at the airport and they have and they have yeah and
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that's really where we are and uh but i must admit that we've been um doing so many ties
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muddy so many immigration services so far and we're still joining
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for non-lucrative visa from the uh consulate spanish council in the uk and united states we were having a lot a
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lot of questions and and they're contacting us to do
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and um but i feel positive as long as we do everything correctly is i i think it will be fine this is true
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isn't it pedro because we've mentioned um we obviously focus on maybe british expats
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uh another europeans but you deal with a lot of americans and i'm seeing on the on the website there
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um so they obviously need the voter and it's it's even harder for them to to get in i
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guess yeah obviously i mean on immigration issues there are like two cubes really it's one of
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four european union citizens sorry and the other one is for um outside the european union citizen so
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non-european union citizens so for european unions there are some requirements that are of course more flexible
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lower requirements to become rest in spain and for those who are not european union
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citizens the requirements are different higher i mean there's
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the process it takes more time and of course we are talking about most of the citizens that come to spain
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apply for residency through um through a visa or normally it comes from an elective visa
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or now a golden visa which is it's an investment visa yes we've talked about the different types so
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non-lucrative is kind of you visiting um you know it's it's not it's not a work visa is it it's
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obviously the way it's worded visa is for those who wants to come and retire and stay here for more than six
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months yes so it's compulsory for you to stay more than six months that obviously implies that you'll be
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tax resident in spain and then golden visa you could come in and out but that
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really relies on investment that's the one isn't it yes i see uh because i'm on your website here which uh as we always
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say alicante lawyers.yes we'll get you there that's the easiest one perhaps um for english-speaking folk but yeah a
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little pop-up there spanish golden visa for investors so what's the it's it's half a million property at least so i think
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before you go uh the the actual landing page is visa today oh yeah that's right so
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visa visa spain dot today is the one isn't it yeah yeah visa spain dot today
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and um i think pedro was going to say about the guys as well
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already we we launched yesterday um like a big quick and informative guide for golden visa
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because we are receiving many many questions of course we are making webinars and seminars in order to explain and inform
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about golden visa requirements in a sometimes in a general way but of course everyone has its own picture its own
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scenario and with a specific question so we have made a guide in order to
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be as much as possible is not always very accurate but as much as possible to
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answer questions to give proper information to be as much accurate as we can
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in order to give information proper information to those who want to get informed on golems of course in the following
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steps we will be able to guide them in in order to the process of applying for gulen visa
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but we made this quick guide in order to inform perfectly and not just general information but
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you're getting a few of those are your inquiries about the the golden visa absolutely yeah not just for um i mean
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of course the united states citizens of course right now from the uk many of them that has invested in the past
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because it doesn't do not have to be an investment from from first of january could have been
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invested in the past and they could be able to in order to well apply for
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an investment visa golden visa with a minimum requirement of investment is 500 000 euros in property yeah
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there are other kind of investments like one million euros in a bank deposit or you know in a proper company in spain but
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uh for 500 000 euros for property is like a minimum investment and for those who do not want
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to be resident and do not want to be attracted by taxes because this is one of the main points
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really in order to see which are the advantages if i take the golden visa or not the end
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tax issues uh are linked all the time whenever you apply for residency or
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golden visa or anything any movement that you want to do in spain at the end you need to study and have a proper scenario about your
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tax situation yeah because whatever's changed you know about in britain as a third country now
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um 90 days within 180 day period it is still if you're over six months then you are
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tax residents in spain correct that's correct uh and actually this is a muddy this is the number one question probably you get
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is you've got these type of people that come three months within the six months right so if you stay less
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than 183 days then you will be non-tax resident according to the dual taxation treaty
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year you might have i mean uk hat won in 1977 with spain and and
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usa had as well so there is a lot of countries that had it this is the first scenario movie then
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you have for those who wants to stay more than six months and that's what you said the
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non-lucrative visa with some requirements that they could find out in the website in the visa today um and then you have
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for those who come in and out and as a golden visa there is people
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that already have their tie and and that's been created a lot of issues because
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um at the end of the day there is some people with a ta or the green card
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but you might have that before the 31st of december but you could be in a picture that
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probably you spend less than 183 days obviously these people need to seek
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independent and legal and tax advice because it's not a straightforward tax office could have a presumption that
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since you have the residential your wife is here your childrens are here but you're going all around the world
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uh it's a very delicate situation here but we are having a lot of those as well
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so as pedro stated is important to do tax planning and the immigration planning and we've
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been doing this even before brexit because we've been dealing with non-european we've been dealing with a
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lot of um chinese russians americans you know so we're very used to this so
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at the end of the day now um the fact that the uk is a third country
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um for us is something that we used to but only with different countries but the requirements are exactly the same
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and we've been doing many many in the past and in some cases even take it to court moody
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so even that when they deny and they reject your visa because there is some cases like that actually one of the
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problems pedro we've been having is people having a property over 500 000 euros but probably enjoying names and that's
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something that needs to be sorted yeah that's one of the questions and answers that we made in this guide as uh someone who invest invested or
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who's going to invest for a property for example of six hundred thousand euros but he's in joint names he's separated
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is the investment is made by both of them so any one of them could not be able to apply for golden
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visa and needs to be included in indeed some specific information in order to be able to one of them to apply
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for golden visa and the other ones as a family member there are some tricks of course obviously in in in the application on
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how the investment is made and how the principal application of the golden business made this is an example
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but of course we made in this guide in order to answer all those specific questions which are really important
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in order to understand and the process and the steps to follow to follow and do it at the end correctly the goal and
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business is straightforward visa and they say it's like if you do you if you follow the steps you will get the visa for sure but the
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knowledge visa is a lot more subjective and you need of course um to
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check perfectly things are a lot more that for the golden business which is an investment visa it's automatically you
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will receive it in 10 days but they know look at the visa is a different visa i need to say that
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they know look at the visa which is a fantastic visa to enter in spain you obtain residency you need to be resident in order to
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renew in the in the future so you will be tax residents for it's extremely important to check
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tax matters to to to see which is going to be your tax situation whenever you come from spain uh you will
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have to declare your worldwide income in spain you will have to pay taxes in spain you will have to maybe in case your
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assets abroad in spain are over 50 000 euros you have to inform tax office about that
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and there are some tax obligations that you need to do and you need to understand them in order to before you come into spain
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yes that's today isn't it the deadline for the 7th
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just very quickly with the golden visa without wanting to you know answer everything so people don't have to watch it so if if that
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is applied for in one person's name say the property is worth 500 000 or more how many people the the family does it
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cover so can beneficiaries yeah yeah so if you know it's yeah the main title holder yeah that's a good question
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i mean he said the principal application could be one of them suppose for example and the other one a family
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family member but also would be able to be descendants which are um could be of course under 18
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years old but also over 18 years old in case they are dependent also could be an incentive which is very
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in these cases are more or less subjective because i mean you need to show and prove that our economic dependence and this is
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sometimes in many cases is difficult and it's objective but of course at the end the principal can bring the family
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members i would say i suppose children sometimes parents in case it could be proof also a partner
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or maybe someone is not married but also a partner needs to be proved that is really a partner so at the end could be could be brought
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all this uh family actually with the ascendants the parents the key is whether you are
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really supporting them and they have no money that's pretty much it because with
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children is easy to prove but as pedro stated um probably it needs to be very clear
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and this is one of the issues pedro we've been facing because a lot of people made this investment they didn't have
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the ti and now they're showing us the title date and the title it states
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that is separation of assets so the marital regime is on a separated uh property management
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so that means 50 husband 50 wife that's an issue and that needs to be sorted in that case
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we any one of them could not i mean could not apply for gold and miser right you invest more than a million
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year or so yeah sure um how are we doing for appointments for the tie at the moment is it is
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we've got in our office three people looking for appointments they are released once a week um
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you probably don't know when they're going to be released the policeman's when we pop in just details is going to
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be released on monday it's going to be on friday even sundays we've got the people here people
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are very stressed with the appointments we still don't understand why they make it so complex and so difficult
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um and then but we're getting uh the appointments so it works the problem is it's not always available
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no and they don't release it on the same day but is that for both types is that for people starting from from scratch and or just updating from
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the old residency certificate so everyone everyone is being held up a little bit at the moment but yes but
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i mean keep pushing yeah and then um no issues the only thing is a bit
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exhausting on uncertainty sure yeah dude what's a reminder because we cover
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quite the area um everyone sort of focuses on alicante but you can do it in valencia yeah in city
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itself yeah so it may be a little bit freer there we do it actually in all of spain of course this area is
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where we mainly work but we could do it in any part of especially valencia is a city which has been attracting a lot of
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residents from internationally i saw the some weeks ago that valencia and alicante
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they were like more um i would say like cities to healthy cities to live in yeah
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in the world yeah we are receiving a lot of questions a lot of we are having a lot of appointments
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with families that are planning to come but families that are working families that want to bring the children
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wants to be inscribed in the school wants to work remotely this is one issue right now
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that many people say is well it's thinking about well i will say my property or i will move to spain i will work from there i will travel
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sometimes and i will move my family to like a quality of life good weather good
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gastronomy and at the end we are here having a lot of questions about immigration obviously
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and about taxes of these cases yeah because of people working remotely you could be anywhere you might as well be here
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yeah a better place than maybe where they're coming from and that's the reason why uh there is so many i've been so amazed
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about the amount of people inquiries and families coming over there is some that they're leaving some all kind of hours are living and
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and they have their time they say and say well it's time to go back and see family and things but a lot of people just uh having the
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dream of coming over and here we go and the good thing i just
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find it on this situation people are seeking advice from the origin so they're contacting through video
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conference even from the uk united states around the world even even
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our obvious aud you know people planning um and that's very good because in the long run it's always best and
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cheaper and less stress so if you do everything from one yeah i'm happy with that but as you've mentioned
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and i know we mentioned last time if you are going back if you're leaving spain uh do tell them that you're gone because if
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you are registered as resident they might still think you're here and yes looking to charge yeah it will be good if they're planning to leave
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de-register yours um and then especially at the police station and in the tax
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office some of them are even living a property here for holidays and then
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you need to appoint a fiscal representative because now if you are a non-resident
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tax office where are they going to send you the letters so you need to name and tell the tax office
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who's your tax representative because otherwise they will notify served papers
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and um and then you are not being defended so that's a good advice
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for them to leave everything uh sort and merging good point tim just one very one last thing about um
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applying with the tie if someone applying or starting their residency from scratch from the very beginning how many problems are
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you having with people showing enough in their bank account you do need to show some money don't you we're having two scenarios we're having
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the one obviously showing money the nine thousand euros doing three months but they are allowing to show that money
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abroad so they're being very flexible okay on you disclosing the financial assets you have
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abroad let's say you have a pension fund you have money at your disposal all right minimum
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9 000 euros not necessarily in a spanish account no these working now they are allowing that
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there is something i'm not happy with uh there are the criteria they are taking now
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is if you don't have the pattern before registered before they're rejecting that
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so i'm presuming they're going to be a lot of cool case actually yesterday we got a family that was rejected because of patreon
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they're being here two years with a rental contract money in the bank everything but they didn't have the
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patreon so the policemen just return it and i i guess we're going to have some cases money about
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appeals and going through the alicante courts because of that but with regards to money the nine
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thousand years is still moves on for for the european per person and uh
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and as you know the non-lucrative visa now is is for those who come from from scratch from new york and
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there's much more it's much more i mean there's for neuqua visa or even golden visa the minimum amount
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i would say is 27 000 euros well one person and two percent like uh like a marriage
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for example would be 34 000 euros totally both of them so minimum then you need to show that you are going
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to have that money to use it without working even though for the golden visa you can work for the new
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looking visa you cannot work but you have to show that you have enough money to live in spain without
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having the need to work and you need to show that you have access to that money it's not just showing that you have some
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money is that you have access to liquid yeah you know and that kind of uh um we will receive many questions
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regarding oh what if i show that i have this income over income i mean it's it's not enough we need you you
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need to show some savings some income but something that is guaranteed like for example a pension if someone is just
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receiving for example some rental contract income uh well that may fail the
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following month so i would be rejected so this information i think is is quite important that
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in order to show which uh sufficient money to live in spain that is what how to show it
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and and they for example they require some minimum months to to show like six
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months time in order to show that you've been really receiving that and this is not fraud that someone has lent you this
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money to show it in a bank statement and then you you send it back to him yeah sure but they take all these things
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perfectly in order to to be sure that uh someone will be able to live in spain
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without working really it's a bit subjective to the policeman because even at the embassy they're just
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checking uh like policemen and here they do check it very well as pedro said the golden visa is
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straightforward because once you just have the money that's it but the non-lucrative visa they need to analyze your income
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or your savings because it's really the numerical visa is really focused on retime and it's really focused on people
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that wants to retire to spain it's like for people have enough money to live in spain it's real time and they don't need to work
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it's it was focused for that yeah but it's being used for by different like kind of uh social
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status people yeah they don't need to buy a property with their non-locations that they don't need they can rent
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i did say if anybody wanted to get in touch and first of all pete and joni and bernice i
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want to say thank you for the usual advice vital information for for residents here
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but also are you happy to uh give them a quote this is uh sure judith and benny to
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chill want to get the tie for herself and her husband they are residents they've got the green card and a spanish driving licence so it's a
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swap over fairly straightforward but um just some idea of cost yes uh basically if it's just sex
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changing swapping the tie we're being reasonable 100 euros plus vet that's what we're charging
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and they need to pay the local tax they need to bring with them the the old residential the patron if
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they change the address um the photos okay and we'll get them the appointment
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and we will assist them at the stronghold office in alicante well that's the thing as well because
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you're assisting them in english so that's you know they're paying for that part of it as well that's pretty
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reasonable and worth getting done as well and yeah i always recommend and i do recommend here to people who
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still didn't do it to do it even if they want to do it themselves that's not a problem but because it's a declaration getting
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the tie is a declaration a formal declaration that you are under the withdrawal agreement
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um it's got a lot of protection and a lot of rights and we could be talking here long enough
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uh about the difference between the green one and the other one nothing wrong with the green one but the
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ti you you made expressly a formal application that you are protected under
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the withdrawal agreement with all the treaties that were signed um with all the protections as we all have
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you know so probably for some people they might not need it but
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even uh one example just to buy a property down south in alicante for the military
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permit they wouldn't allow you without the tie unless you have the ta yeah is the article 18.4
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of the withdrawal agreement and i i encourage people to join just to
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protect themselves nothing else yeah sure i just wanted to say again because the problem we have is with radio it's
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kind of turns on in the background people only catch half of it your green residency certificate whether you have
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the small one or the big a4 one it's still okay that's right but uh yeah it's in your
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interest to look so we look towards getting the ti there's nothing wrong with moody to have the green one no nothing at all it's legal and he's
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fine okay but the tie is just a formal declaration and uh
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if you want to swap it i think is a good idea okay now let's get on to it we didn't
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mention the work visa there because that will be of interest to some people uh it sounds a little bit complicated is
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it federer i think we said before that people are thinking about
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coming to spain applying for an energy visa but really working in spain remotely
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which at this time there are no really rules on that situation i mean this is because
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of this pandemic situation has increased right now this doubt and i mean through a non-liquid visa you
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cannot work but always the question is yeah well i'm not working in spain i'm working remotely for a company outside spain
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so i'm not working on the system of spain but i would say many of the situation
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many many of them should be included in the social security system should be included being scrap up maybe
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as a self-employment so will be included really in the system of spain and also taxes will will come abroad in
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order to be it's all paid in spanish pay them in abroad i mean double taxation treaties
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will come also to affect and to apply to the that situation so the new liberty visa really is not
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the the the visa trainer in spain we we recommend many times well apply for downgraded visa
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maybe start that way even though technically you cannot work that's the main pillar really and after
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a year whenever you're going to renew it let's change the visa into a work payment visa for world premier visa really is that
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i mean you need to show a project that what kind of business you're going to start or what kind of uh
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employment you're going to do what kind of impact are you going to do in some area even though it's very small even though it's just a restaurant even
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though but of course uh for work premium business it comes into effect that which is your
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ability which is your situation of of employment which is your skills
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we have to be uh better than the ones out here in order to to choose you for example as
24:44
an employee some company in spain wants to contract you but for the working visa we
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are preparing for some of them like for a project or business to do i think it's also something to
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think about and not just think on a local visa maybe because of your scenario it's not that one really i mean it's not
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like it's like to put the appropriate suit to you according to your scenario we're going to have pedro so many questions
25:12
about uh teleworking which is uh the issue here isn't it let's tell they're working about as predator stated um
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you need to be you know you need to seek advice and do very well because you're just on the cliff of of uh one thing is
25:27
immigration moody and the other thing is attacks but sometimes comes together because you're here and and you're not allowed
25:33
to work um and here we go i think if you plan in advance and you do it properly
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you should be fine but unfortunately sometimes you don't fulfill their requirements that's the issue so i guess there's still stuff that
25:46
they're trying to to iron out and figure out and get get set in stone like as you said with the teleworking it's a
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bit of a gray area because you could be working purely for overseas company yeah the thing is as petra stated uh
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you stay more than six months then you're working abroad then the only thing i could think of here pedro
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is i i tell you it's not easy is whether you could justify to the tax
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money if they serve you a letter that you're paying your taxes abroad because
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the the tax office is telling you and there is no another way around so you'll have to have the job taxation
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treaty you have to see that you have to
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to you could do it i mean i i know it might not be the case but if you're a civil servant a servant okay that you
26:34
were allowed probably to to work remotely which i don't know whether that could be the case
26:40
that's taxing the uk uh but you could work remotely so there is something especially stated
26:46
that technically you're not allowed because non-lucrative visa doesn't allow you to work in spain but here we go i'm sure that we're going
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to have a you're working from spain yeah exactly yeah that's the world really from spain or from
26:58
a company which is outside spain so it's not really doing anything really in the spanish system but really does in the tax system
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and in many occasions you have obligation to inscribing the self-employment social security and
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inform um for example an employee that comes from another income a different company needs to be inscribed in there and
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like it's like a movement of employment into a spanish system i mean that needs to be done some things
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uh that shows that you are working really are there unofficially i mean in some countries there are official
27:29
categories of people they're looking for like skills um it's it's unofficially that sort of
27:35
thing going on so the someone might have more chance of getting in than others at the end today the e m is the office
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here that they request testimony to make the application here and when you don't have
27:47
nobody able let's say you need somebody who only does that specific job okay you
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need to convince them so the work visa you need to present a project
27:58
it needs to be presented properly legalized through the commerce department in spain so it
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needs to be stamped and approved here that that is viable and and then you need to convince
28:11
that you're going to bring good for spain and you're going to bring
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things that are valuable so as especially said the non-lucrative is discretionary because they need to
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and analyze the income here's even more because here they need to understand
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that you have enough money to leave you're going to create work you're going to it's going to be good for spain
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so we've done we've done in the past moody don't get me wrong we've done it from people from saudi arabia arabia i
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think it was from iran the very latest one it took us a year to get it all sorted through all the embassies
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i think it was i cannot remember which one we dealt with and so it's possible yeah because we are
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receiving a lot of questions we said about relocation but relocation also a business when someone says i'm going to relocate
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but might be my own business because i'm not just working outside i'm i leave the business
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in any other country i want to bring my business into spain and at the end to relocate the business
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it comes into our like data set to prepare a business report a project and and to to show about the
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impact and you need to approve a positive resolution by by the public administration and that
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that's the thing that means the business in order to apply for for uh residency for work but also is there
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about the employee i mean to get an employment in spain which is i would say it's more difficult yeah sure i suspect that if
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it's an existing business they'll they'll be used to that they'll have presented a business plan to the bank initially maybe to get a loan that's
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something so they know what they need to have in place um what about um maybe some businesses
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that want to stay in the eu so a lot of them have gone to ireland for obvious reasons i mean english-speaking and the like are
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there many that have that have tried to do that here in spain do you think out of out of the uk well i've seen a lot of movements like
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that um so they're kind of relocating the headquarters yeah the equivalent of that um yeah i
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mean to i mean you see that ireland and germany a lot also and to spain also i would say also to spain
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but probably spain just because of people is moving really physically to spain i want to bring and attach all the of the and all
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the connections about family and business into spanish system and at the end is just to control things
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about just to have i mean taxes and and accountancy and everything to to get it done in this in spain by the
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place that people is living but i agree with you i mean ireland and germany and also holland the netherlands
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also a place to that i i can take that people is moving really the business in some way but whenever
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people is coming physically really here to be resident to live here i mean is really the attraction
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companies into spain and the obligation in order to be inscribed to better social security comes into effect whenever someone
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applies for residency and gets residency is there anything you can say to people now that um are here and they didn't apply before
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the 31st of december for the tie for residency what is what's available what's what are
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their options now well what i will encourage them to they're going home today otherwise you talking about the people
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who are living or the people who people who were in spain before the end of the brexit before brexit
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and then i you know want to stay on but they haven't got the uh the residency well is it too late well i don't think
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it's too late i i am reluctant to think it's too late a different thing is whether we're going
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to be successful through the process that's a different story i i encourage them if they really
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want to come here to to fight their case through a lawyer that could help him you know um it's
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very important for these people to seek independent advice and good advice and people who are used to these but not
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only on the application through the courts because you need to prepare the whole case you're going through the calls
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to appeal on that yeah so do you think you'd have to do that on a case-by-case basis or would there be yes the difficult uh cases that people
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could improve it in the past smoothly for example the case i told you moody on the patreon
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you didn't register yourself patreon to me is ridiculous because you have different different evidence but the policeman to start with
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they reject it because you don't comply with the requirements right okay in that case i will encourage to
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fight it all the way through because it's much more to win than to lose you know the only problem moody
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that you're going to be in a irregular situation until it ends up with a court case in alicante
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which it will take you roughly a year right roughly the whole court case from
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let's say you submit your application they say no and then you have the option to just try
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it again which probably we would not recommend to try it again through the same placement and you're giving another month and then
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you have the option to take it to the court in alicante um to review your paperwork in that case
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we are just preparing here witnesses declaration in front of a public notary water bills electrical fields proof ours
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might just yes if it takes a year though what do they do in the meantime can they
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stick around in the meantime yeah in the meantime the situation is your irregular as simple as it is a different thing is
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is gonna whether they're gonna just deport it well there is a lot of people that there are they don't have the
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paperwork i am sorted what the the way we're doing at the moment
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i'm uh giving to our clients a letter saying they did hire us to represent them
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through the court and all these is being um taken through the courts yes so at the end of the day and i think
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even if you stop is a different department they're being reasonable i don't think they're going to be
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that because they need to qualify from departments et cetera et cetera they're not doing so far i i haven't
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seen that happening okay i'm talking about probably even different nationalities because at the moment is new for brits
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but uh but before i could tell you we could tell you experience about different different scenarios from different
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nationality and um that's why i will recommend them to take the case further if they want to fight
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for it um have a letter from their lawyer saying that he's being contested
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yeah and uh then the problem is if you live you are not going to be able to come back again so of course
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yes i wouldn't leave i would have lived that way right and i suppose a letter from yourselves would mean that it looks
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like it's it's a worthwhile case if there's no hope then you wouldn't even yeah we wouldn't take it because we'll say to the client there
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this option is not good for you let's find a different option or we'll just uh there is we didn't even talk and we
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don't have time we could talk next time about the social ties in spain for those people who've been living in
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spain three years with a patron but they didn't have anything so there is another visa
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which is what we call arrigo and that's social ties we've got it in the visa
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today as well you could see um if you remind them the the the website
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yes yes you see the blog and they could learn the requirements for that type of visa so that is visa spain dot today so dot
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today is the suffix there and that will take you to showing everything pretty much that we've talked about today and more about the sounds of
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it we'll be uploading murray more and more because according to questions and we'll be doing the webinar we've got the webinar on the 28th of
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april right yeah that is on the website as well and he's about golden visa a specific type of visa
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so i mean we'll be updating you buddy yes details of all of that i mean you'll be back in hopefully in a couple of weeks time
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anyway post easter and um we have a look at the blog in the meantime so alicante lawyers.es your
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blog kept nicely up to date and some really good articles on there we mentioned uh about the tie it was uh
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judith says do we have to make an appointment or can we just call into the office the javier office um i'll prefer them to give him a ring
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now 965 965-480737 and miriam is in in the office she will
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organize out because that sort of thing is quite busy at the moment so we could have a video conference
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appointment right now is is very uh usual right yeah so we're using
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all right well thank you so much for your time i'm lucky to have both of you in as i say and we'll let you get on because i'm sure there's plenty to do
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and see one i've got both of you back in a couple of weeks time
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you