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Dave Taylor of http://www.AskDaveTaylor.com/ talks to a 9th grade class about Internet privacy, security, sexting, Facebook, SnapChat, Instagram and other issues related to their use of online tools and technologies as minors. Long, but with lots of useful information, particularly for parents.
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[Music] I come in this is actually my third or
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fourth year of doing this with ninth grade is um I spent a lot of time online
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in fact you guys think you spend time online I'm sure I outp Cas all of you um and so I want to start by having you
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repeat after me who the heck is this guy and what the hell does he know about this technology who the is this guy what
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the hell does he about technology good so now you've got out of your system that sort of snarky reaction that you're
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going to have to what I'm going to say so what I want to talk about is I want to talk about the fact that you guys are
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going online many of you are already enthusiastically online and you really don't understand what's happening behind
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the scenes and I think that that's really important so I am not going to
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talk to your parents I know some of your parents and this is a class that we're not going to have any notes from right
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so how many you are on Facebook okay how many of you are on Facebook but your parents don't think
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you are okay so I'm sure there's a couple but of course now you don't want to admit cuz it's like oh I can blackmail
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you so how many people are on Instagram how many people know what Snapchat is how many people are using
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SnapChat so why don't we start there so Snapchat so what's the reason that
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people would use Snapchat so for those of you that don't know what it is Snapchat is is a little chat app for
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your mobile device and the purpose of it is that everything gets deleted right so
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you can send a photo and then 30 seconds later it's deleted from the system is that how everyone believes it works no
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10 seconds 10 seconds well someone knows so here's the first thing I want
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all of you to really really have syn in nothing is ever deleted from the
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internet nothing is ever deleted you go on to Facebook and you delete a photo
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it's still there you go on to Facebook and delete your account and four years later go back with that same email
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address and they'll say hey you're in our system you want me to just restore your account nothing's ever deleted so
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with Snapchat the implication of that is that it is pretending to give you privacy that you don't have and in fact
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up until a couple of days ago there were people showing how and they were posting articles about how save everything that
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was in Snapchat now you think about that because you're thinking oh well I can
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Snapchat like an inappropriate picture or I can be like flipping someone off and I can Snapchat them that photo and
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that'll vanish so they can't ever do anything with it that's not true and even with the new version of the
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software that supposedly fixed the problem it's still easy to for example videotape a phone screen or to take a
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screen capture of a photo that you see so you think think the system is going to delete things and it doesn't and the
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reason that's important is because I think that all of these are trying to give us this sense that there's really
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like these great privacy Shields and all this sort of stuff and it just isn't so and that becomes really important so how
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many people know what sexting is okay we can use these words it's okay so sexting
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is when you send for example a naked picture of yourself to the person that you're dating right now it sounds mildly
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cute thankfully I have experience such things um but the problem with that is
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that you are giving a huge amount of control to the other person but even more than that um I actually called and
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talked to a lawyer friend of mine on the way here this morning and she was telling me and this is stuff that I'm
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you guys are not going to believe me but this is the actual legal truth is that by sending a naked picture of yourself
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for example you can actually go onto the um sex offenders registry for the rest
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of your life and if you have any idea what that is that's something where for the rest of your life you have to
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disclose that when you apply for jobs or apply for a mortgage for a house or anything I know you guys are still young
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but this is a huge black mark against you for your whole life and the person that receives the picture they can
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actually go to jail for having child pornography so you think oh this is cute
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I'm going to like you know unbutton my shirt and send a picture to my boyfriend that's really a disaster waiting to
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happen and worse the other issue of that is you know again now we're moving into things like Facebook or Instagram is you
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have no idea what they're going to do with your photo and you can go and search online if you were allowed to go
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online and you can see story after story after Story of someone who will send a
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semico picture to their boyfriend or girlfriend who then says well this will be funny and then they post it to
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something like Facebook or they just put it up on their blog or their Tumblr blog or they put it
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up on Pinterest or something something and once you've sent that image you've lost complete control of it and you
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can't delete it and even if they say they've deleted it it's probably still in their phone or Worse how many of you
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have something fancy like a smartphone an iPhone or an Android phone right so when you plug that into your computer
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what does it do it does a syn right what does that sync do it makes a backup copy
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of everything at that moment on that phone and what does that mean is that if I syn my phone and then the next day go
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and delete all these inappropriate photos they're still on my computer so you know all of this stuff
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it's privacy is not what you think it is and um I know this stuff's very
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compelling and it's certainly interesting and it's engaging right I mean it's fun for the people that are on Facebook it's really fun but nothing
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ever goes away and in fact we were talking just a few minutes ago that Facebook yesterday introduced a whole
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new feature that actually is very alarming from a privacy perspective did anyone pay attention anyone hear the
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news about this is that like you can like search with like what like things your friends like like what kind of
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movies and like are coming out with that or something right so so you're paying attention that's K she's reading the
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newspaper or something um so Facebook introduced something called um social Graph Search oh and what this means is
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that everything that you've ever put on Facebook is now accessible not only to all of your friends including new
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friends you didn't have when you first posted it but to friends of friends and potentially to the public at large so
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this means you first get on to Facebook and you guys are just starting out with this stuff and you say well all the
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people that are on Facebook with me are all my friends here at shiny mountain and that's awesome so we can like post
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about parties we can do all this sort of stuff and it's all good right no one else is going to see it well first off
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other people can see it and at the end I'm going to show you how to look at your own privacy settings um but now
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this means that 6 years from now there you are you just graduated college or looking for a job they can go and look
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back at all this data and that kind of stuff is really concerning for people that have been on for a long time
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because when you first get on you actually I think generally expose more information and as you spend more time
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online most people tend to contract down and be more conscious about privacy
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and why is this an issue it's an issue because you just don't know who's looking at this stuff and so one of the
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things that I see all the time is people will post photos of themselves right look I'm I'm ready for prom and where is
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that typically taken in your front yard and what do you typically see in the background is the house and the street
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number on the house right so if you don't think this through what's the
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problem the problem there's no problem right well the problem is is that there's something called Google Street
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you if you have a street number and you know what city they're in it would take you no more than about 10 or 15 minutes
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to figure out exactly where they live and what are the odds of that happening you know probably fairly low
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but do you want some creep online some weird old guy or something who's like looking through all your stuff and it's
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like now I want to go and meet this person because they look really cool and then 20 minutes later they know where
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you live they know what school you go to if you're using does anyone use Force spr right or any other or do you check in at
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locations when you're on Facebook on Facebook mobile right so now you can actually give people a nice schedule
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here's where I go here's what time class is here's I always when I'm done with class I always go up to Aon and now I
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computer's full of photos of you and you're using all this stuff thinking
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this is okay it's just my friends are shining Mountain you know so so that's sort of
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the core thing that we wanted to get at on this talk right now is is that your sense of privacy is
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false but you know the other big piece is what happens when you delete
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something it's not really deleted nothing right it's not really deleted to the point where um for example Twitter
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for people are using Twitter or if you use another app that also broadcasts out onto Twitter Twitter literally sends
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tape archives to the Library of Congress so they are actually archiving in the
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Library of Congress the entire stream of public Twitter messages that's a lot it's amazing it is a lot but it's a
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really I mean it's an interesting data set to look at from a researcher's perspective but it also means that you
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know when the election happens and you're saying boy I hate Obama we should just go kill the
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guy that's a problem that's a problem for a couple of reasons not the least of which is that if you actually have a
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credible threat then the cops will come by and visit and that's happened time
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and time and time again and people are very surprised that like you know the Secret Service are monitoring things
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like Facebook um but it's also a problem because it's there forever now it's
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actually there in the Library of Congress for goodness sakes it's not even just like there on some server in
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you know some obscure location but it's something where researchers can go and analyze all that so so again let me ask
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how many of you are on Facebook that your parents don't think you are um I knew of other kids in her class that
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were on Facebook and I would ask their parents so are your kids using all this online stuff oh no we keep them away
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from the internet cuz it's not safe and it's like okay but that's what the adult
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expression we use for that is a Fool's Paradise right is if you completely ignore the reality of what's going on
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around you you could be very happy however their kids were using this stuff and there was no one watching what
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they were doing now how many of you think that that's a good idea do you think you're old enough and mature
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enough to make decisions about things as important as potentially going to jail over doing something dumb you think
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you're all good to go and ready and just give me unfettered access how many of you have done searches and ended up on
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sites that were perhaps a little more adult than you were expecting no see no one's going admit to
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that okay there you go um that is extraordinarily common and in fact the
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most commonly searched word on Google is the word sex and here's the thing you know I
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understand curiosity My Generation we looked at National Geographic no I'm not
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quite um you guys have no idea what I'm talking about which is just um but you know again just like
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when you do a backup of your phone and the data from your phone's now on your computer when you visit something in a
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web browser it keeps copies of it just simply because it then runs faster but
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you have what's called a cache a c a c h e cache and it saves everything you ever
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visit so that means if you're just curiously poking around which you know
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all innocent things can be misconstrued so now imagine you do that
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and you're looking around or maybe like your little brother or sister like sneaks on and looks up naughty words and
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then your boyfriend or girlfriend send you an inappropriate text photo right by a text and somehow you end up where the
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cops are investigating you and now it's just like holy cow you have naked pictures on your phone when we look on
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your computer and the cops can literally walk in and take your computers and walk out I mean they can do that and then
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they can spend weeks analyzing it you know then they look on that and they're like and you're looking at naked
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pictures on the computer you have a problem and the consequences can be so Dire from that that in the very worst
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possible case they could actually take you away from your parents you know so all of the stuff it all
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seems like oh this is just silly fun but there's layers to all this that I think are really important and um you know
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like on Facebook Facebook is a is a really good example because there's a lot of stuff that shows up there that
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people think is private and at least twice in the last 3 years even just the
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onetoone private messages that people have um those have ended up being open
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to the public right so there you are just emailing your friend or having a chat with them on Facebook would you
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like that to suddenly show up for everyone else to see and can you do that imagine now when
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we get into like cyber bullying you guys all know what that is right I mean all these fancy names for things so cyber
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bullying is really easy and in fact one of the worst things about the online world is that because you're safely
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behind your computer and you're in your own house and you're safe then you can just attack everybody it's fine why not
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just be mean to people you know and so a lot of people that would be way too terrified to ever go up to someone and
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look them in the eye and say I disagree with your opinion I think you're stupid I don't actually but um people would
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never have the courage to do that but online they can just go at it and where it gets really bad is exactly your age
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group and how many of you know someone that has just had all these just really mean things posted
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[Music] about right I mean I know of a sit situation where like 10 months later um
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a child's parents you know the child was just like why is this person still being mean to me we don't even know each other
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anymore we're like going to different schools now and neither of them go to sheny Mountain and the parents went and
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looked 10 months later into their message log and again Facebook keeps everything and they're looking at these
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just really I mean just appalling horrible messages really really mean messages and they called the cops and
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the cops then opened up an investig ation against this child from something that happened
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almost a year earlier you know and again so there there's two issues there there's the issue of don't be mean which
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is just an easy one and then there's the issue of nothing's ever deleted and I think the child who was doing the
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Hostile messages thought well if I delete them from my computer after I send them they're gone it's like text
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messages right if you send someone a text message and then you delete it from your phone it's gone right no one has
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any record of it well yeah the other person do hello you know and they could actually take a screen capture they can
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you know there's ways you can pull all your text messages out of those backups
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yeah do you have a question oh yeah um can you go a juvenile hul for like life
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if you do this type of stuff that wouldn't make sense CU eventually you wouldn't be a
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[Applause] juvenile I don't know that you would get a sence for something like this I've
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been in here long but it's pretty serious though you know and that's the thing is
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that this is something where as time has passed it's become more serious because
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there's all these incidents and and again you know if you go and read the paper or something there are these terrible stories about a kid who like
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it's a club everyone like we'll all all just going to go after Mary and it's just funny you know but poor Mary ends
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up killing herself you know or going to another school or their family literally moves to another state you know pretty
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dire consequences and for someone your age everything should be all like you know a bowl of Charities you should be
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all looking towards the fun and not thinking about all the terrible stuff and I mean you know when I was a kid I
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dealt with a bully and that's just I think part of human nature unfortunately um but the online version of it is much
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much worse because again it's people that don't have the courage to come up to you and say you know I'm going to kick your butt after school you were
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mean to me it's like okay but then at least it's resolved as opposed to for the rest of your life I'm going to say
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me things about you okay I don't care but now when you do it online and I'm trying to get a job right or my uncle my
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favorite uncle is reading my Facebook page and they're like who is this person why are they so mean to you you know so
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you know one of the things to think about there with the whole cyber bullying thing is it's really just the
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next generation of the golden rule is how do you behave towards other people
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in that you expect them to behave towards you and the thing is is that that whole sort of logic of cyber
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bullying could be used in Reverse if there's one person who's really mean to everybody all of you can get together
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and isolate that person and tell them you know you're just not a nice person that's why you don't get invited to our
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parties that's why you don't get to come to the movies with everybody so we would love to have you join us if you start to
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be nice don't be mean this isn't hard if you have some stuff going on talk to your mom talk to your dad but don't
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break take it out on us does that make sense so so what else should we talk about we
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have time so how many people have smartphones
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that are on right now okay I know you're not supposed you're not supposed to have them right
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there really is a lot less privacy than you think there is there's a lot less ability to remove things than you think
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they are can your parents just go online and go to their
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the bill and just read all your text they can't read your text messages themselves they can't but they can see
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who you're texting and how often and incoming
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out and it depends you know so you know it on text messages
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themselves it depends on what using right if you're one of these people that says well I can text message using
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Instagram right how many you understand what I'm talking about there because this is a really common way of tricking
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your parents right cuz they look and it's like honey you're not using text messaging thank you we had that
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agreement you're like yeah right mom so what you do is you write a right the way I understand this works is you write a
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message you screenshot it and then you post that to Instagram and then the comments under that then become the
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discussion really you never seen that before right well I have seen people doing this and here's the thing is again
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this is open to everyone that follows you on Instagram so it's not even a private conversation at that point right
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but it's not something you can delete and so it might be something that tricks your parents cuz they're not
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sophisticated enough but that doesn't mean that it's not something they could find out if they wanted to investigate
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and there are software programs so for example instant messaging or iMessage
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iMessage is a great example if you have an iPhone and you're sending a text message to someone else that also has an
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iPhone and you have it set up the right way it actually uses Apple's text message service not the cell phone and
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that means that a copy of it can show up later on a computer program on someone's computer screen so I can have on my
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Macintosh I can have text messages from my friends that are also have iPhones they can show up on my Mac oh so now you
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can imagine that your parents might have that set up you know um whether they should
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whether your rights of privacy are that's all somewhat ambiguous but generally as someone who's under 18 your
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right of privacy is about that big you know and I argue with this with my kids all the time so you have no right to
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even look at who I call it's like hey I'm paying the bill for nothing else I will continue to retain that right um
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but all of these things there's monitoring programs that your parents probably should use and not because they
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don't trust you but because they can help you make smart decisions as other things happen so you know I saw
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um yesterday I guess it was my son someone had shared a link with him and
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the link was get a free
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iPad and and so my goal with isn't to say that's a scam my goal with is to
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have him be able to think smartly to be able to look at it and himself realize it's a scam for example why would
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someone give one away how are they going to pay for it you know this is something where they're going to go to the Apple Store and spend 600 bucks and then give
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it to you cuz you click the link does that even make sense no you know but
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especially um in the sort of high school and college air um group a ton of people
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fall for these things you know the more sophisticated one is see who unfriended you right but it's the same thing is
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that all you're doing is installing bad software which will then send all your friends a message telling them that they
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can see who unfriended them right so it just propagates itself as a as a computer virus and you don't know what
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it's doing you know you don't know if the fact that when you go and type in your phone number it might email your
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phone number to some third party right and you're just innocently sending a text message to someone or you're
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sending a message on Facebook so so I mean all this stuff I
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actually find pretty alarming and what's alarming about it is that there are people out there right now and what they
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are trying to do is figure out how to like pull information out of you they're trying to figure out how to get things
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from you that you don't want to give them and from me and from you you know how can they get my credit card how can
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they get my Social Security number so that they can then apply for credit cards in my name and go buy fancy
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expensive things and then I'm stuck having to pay the bill this happens all the time and all this sort of stuff it
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all starts with a with not understanding how privacy actually works
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online so smartphones computers um all the
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internet services every online service I know has some issues with it has some
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danger with it even something as simple as Xbox Live you guys remember anyone on
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Xbox Live OB guys so Xbox Live you can put in all
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sorts of personal information upload your photo right all these sort of things Xbox Live is run by Sony Sony's
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not really great at managing data security so they've multiple times had problems where people have broken in and
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taken literally hundreds of thousands of Records now what's the big deal the big
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deal is that now you're on the radar screen so now if they know your name and your address and the kind of Technology
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you have and maybe you've entered your age that's enough information for them to start digging around and even with
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just a piece of soft software they can then start doing things like applying to colleges on your behalf and that's a
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problem you know cuz now you're starting to get a record you're starting to get data in the net in the system that's not
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something you want or Worse obviously again applying for a credit card and
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this happens so frequently that the credit card companies are actually having to reinvent how credit cards
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work you know I mean it used to be it was just the the thing on the front if you look at a credit card and I wouldn't
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be surprised if half of you have credit cards so on a credit card there's the number and the expiration date on the front and then you sign and that turns
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out not to be safe enough so in the last couple of years now they have this little secret number on the back and
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that's to prove that the card's in your hand and that's proving not to be enough either and so we live in a world where
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you go to somewhere like you know what red box is little DVD red thing so here
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in Boulder someone actually went into one of the um stores that had a red box and they installed a duplicate card
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swiper and people would go and they'd go to rent something they'd swipe it through both the real one and their fake
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one and then the guy went back a couple of days later pulled it off walked home and had tons of credit card data that he
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could then use for fraudulent activities so right I mean all these things are
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really smart but they also highlight the dangers there so I would watch him we
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already know that
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you know here's another thing to think about is so for those of you that have
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smartphones or even those of you that have just more simple feature phones does anyone in the room not have a cell
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phone okay so every single person has a cell phone if you lost your cell phone how long would it take for someone to
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get on to it and read everything you
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have why so how do you think that is to break I don't know and how hard do you think
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it is to plug it into a computer be unlock no with your own
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no okay so so so this is a great conversation and the reason that this is
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an interesting conversation is because you're relying on the cell phone manufacturers to keep your stuff private
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and I will suggest to you that that might be a dangerous thing to rely on and I can tell you that people that are
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motivated can break into anything there's nothing you can do ultimately if someone really has the resources and
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really wants to break in they will really break in I don't care what password you have on there I don't care if you've already jailbroken it and have
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a whole separate operating system running on it you know on Android phones on all these things cuz if you think
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about it the goal of these phones is to be connected and to be online and so
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there's that fine line between how do I block this and how do I make it continue
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to be something that actually encourages you to be online and get all the resources and pops up a coupon cuz
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you're near a store and all these sort of things and so one of the things to think about is you know again when
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you're young enough that you don't have necessarily your own laptop or desktop computer how many people have their own
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computer but an AFF culture you live um so for those of you maybe not so much
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but for everyone else your phone is like your whole world and if you lose that number one you've lost a lot of stuff
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but if someone else is now reading all that it might be a friend but it might also be someone that has perhaps less
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positive intentions did you have a question stretching well we do the seventh ining
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stretch more time we're going to continue to go um and you know and again with computers someone breaks into your
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house while you're at school and they take your computer away how long do it going take for them to get all your data there all your email all your messages
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back and forth between people all the photos that you've taken and backed up all those Archives of your cell phone
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synchronizations it's all right there that's easy and now they can just spend their Leisure trying to figure out how
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to get in and what to do with this stuff and oh here's a funny picture let's go post this online you know so there are sites that
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their purpose in life is to um let people say mean things about
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other people like a you know a bad date story site things like that well people
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can start posting posting pictures of you and saying that you know you actually go out with 22y olds and that
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you know you're such a loser and all these sort of things and the thing is is that that stuff then again is part of
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the permanent record and when people start looking for jobs and stuff this is something that
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now happens so often that there are services that claim I don't know how they could possibly do this but they
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claim that if you pay the money they'll delete inappropriate content from your Facebook page
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and the reason I don't know how they can do that is because unless they work at Facebook they don't have access to Facebook's backups of the
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data but this is a really big problem and you know at CU this is something where they actually as part of freshman
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orientation they tell people think what you put online if you go to this wicked
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good party at 4 in the morning the four of you are like throwing up on each other and laughing your heads off that
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might not be a great photo to post because 2 years later when you're down in Manhattan at Wall Street trying to
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get a good job so you can have a good career and have a you know all the stuff you want in your life they're going to
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spend money to have researchers go and investigate what you've done in the online world and they find that photo
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and they're like I'm sorry you're not for us really that was from two years ago come on it's like that's the way it is
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you know and that's going to start now because now you guys are already on Facebook and worse now with this new
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thing that Facebook introduced yesterday with their Facebook social Graph
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Search that also means that the stuff you're posting now is going to be even easier for people to
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find you know and what if you're busy communicating back and forth and
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something happens and now we become enemies well how much of my data do you have and what can you do with it cuz
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you're smart and you're malicious I'm not actually talking to you although it might actually be
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anion um so the really big thing I want you guys
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to think about is the whole issue of how little privacy you have and how much
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privacy you think you have and that goes all the way from your cell phones and your parent cell phones
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to computers and everything you do online and so what I want to do is I want to wrap up by just showing you real
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quickly on Facebook how to go and look at your privacy settings and I will tell you if you say oh I changed those a
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couple of months ago it's all good or when I first connected I went and made all these setting changes that's not
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good enough because what Facebook does is every 3 to 6 months they introduce a new way of doing your privacy settings
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and by the way we never really understood whether you were cool with this so we're going to default to having it be public yes oh I have a question
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half of us have been on Facebook for at least three years since like sixth grade
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um so what do we do if we've already done something on
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Facebook is there any way to get rid of it or no well the best thing you can do is at least go back on your timeline and
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just spend spend some time and maybe do this with a parent sitting with you because they'll actually maybe have more
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of a if you will worldly view on what's going on um and go through and look at
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you know some of your first things and it's it's really classic you get on a social network and the first things you do are fairly stupid because you really
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don't it's it's this whole idea that there's hundreds of I mean there are literally over a billion people on
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Facebook that is an unimaginably large number and how many of them are looking at your update who knows you know when
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you post something and you have four friends but you say it's for the public then all billion people can see it and
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not only can that billion people see it but then things like Google can see it so now it can be in the Google search
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index so someone doesn't even have to go on Facebook to see that cont you know so so the first thing I would
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definitely say is go back and look and at least delete the things that you didn't like or delete the things that
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you think reflect poorly on you you know and you know is that a real
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delete no but it's better than just leaving it out there and so theoretically it's at least a little
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more private but we have just a couple of
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