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UFC 307 Reactions w/ UFC fighters Jessica Penne and Angela Hill
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Nov 6, 2024
What UFC 307 missed in finishes it delivered in wacky decisions that disrupted the MMA-sphere more than the 4 directors of UFC Noche. Most robberies in 1 night? Will Aldo stop fighting in Utah? Will Ange's mother inlaw ever watch another mma fight after witnessing part of Khalil's brain fall out of his nose during his post fight speech? We discuss these things and more on this week's episode! Want more 2 Straws? Just hit the link below to support the pod and watch the bonus episode now! Join us: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1FaPU4wQCG9RdbNlMBI-fA/join 01:10 The Judges were on that ooo Weee! 03:20 Alex Pereira vs Khalil Rountree over performed when it came to exciting title matches. 08:45 Jamahal Hill said “boooring” after the fight and Pereira had an epic clap back. 11:08 Jess may seem like a class act but back in the day she’s gotten spicy when pushed 🐸 ☕️ 14:11 Juliana Pena got gifted the belt vs Raquel Pennington. We discuss. 22:35 is Pena already ducking Kayla Harrison? 27:20 Where does Iasmin Lucindo get ranked after a huge step up win vs Marina Rodriguez? 34:50 Perhaps we could convince Lucindo to take a top 11 ranked fighter next who’s name rhymes with Bangela Bill 38:45 Jose Aldo vs Mario Bautista robbery or nah? 44:55 What’s next for Aldo and why do we keep hearing about people’s contracts while they’re fighting?? 49:29 Fighters… Stay away from Salt Lake City 50:40 Bonus preview! You a member yet? Then you can watch now!!
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what up hey guys thanks for joining us we're back for another two straw yes and
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um we just watched UFC what are we on 306 307 307 s sorry
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it's early and I haven't had coffee so you know yeah
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whoops rude you usually come prepared with your huge coffee cup we have video
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proof so I didn't think that uh Adam need to get you one but we are out of
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pod so I'm very sorry I always need more coffee I stay sleepy Studio the studio
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is not stocked with pods send us pods we need pods send help make sure to join so
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we can afford pods every week for Jessica please so she can wake up and
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not look high in her videos [Laughter]
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so rude that was offensive I love that you never smoke but you always get accused of it I like what does that mean
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I abs like I never it's it's not it's not my thing yeah well you know who was
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smoking uh everyone everyone in Salt Lake City was was high they were high
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the judges were on crack like what uh some of the refs uh fent andol yeah they
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like and I'm sorry even the commentary dust they they were smoking something
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cocaine I think they're a little bit more sleepy than cocaine I feel like if they were on if everyone was on cocaine
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they would have been a little bit more you know oh that was the crowd actually the crowd all did one big line before
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they walked Point wow the Utah crowd like I would risk Utah judging for a
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Utah crowd that crowd was they were on point and they were so vocal and
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opinionated in the right ways yes times the wrong ways but I wasn't mad at it because I'm like violence
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like like they had that one ref that was breaking them every two seconds and I
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think there was another ref that stood up um oh the strawweight fight the referee stood them up when they were
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yeah when they were in like uh there was one from half guard and then there was one from Mount yeah oh that was the one
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that but that was in the third round and that was because and he didn't say this
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until after he stood them up but he stood them up because he said um she was
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digging into digging her chin in her digging her chin into the eyeball I want to ask you about that because um I know
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that's one of your goods is it don't tell nobody don't tell don't tell
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Elise you just got to be a little bit more discreet about it yeah you just got to be sneaky and your chin is definitely
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made for digging into eyeballs I feel like mine would wouldn't really get past the orbital but you can get right in
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there you got dig in you got nice little pointy chin L's chin is like mine so it was too
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obvious it was too flat you need a pointy chin to pull that off yeah she
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she was digging for gold she found it she did she did we we'll get on that fight in a second but uh let's rehash
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the main in the comain what a fight first let's talk about the good which which was the main
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event um padaa versus khil rry I feel
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like this is a good because both Fighters grew so much after that
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performance like both are getting their flowers uh khil really showed up and was
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doing everything he could to like put p on the back foot he was looking really
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good in the first two rounds like I I was really impressed with khil I thought we might have had a new champion for a
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sec because he was doing just a good job in keeping P um guessing at one point he
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dropped him with that punch after he threw like a question mark kick or something and I was just like man killo
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might be able to pick him apart like it looked like he was picking him apart as the fight was going live now in
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hindsight now I look at the first two rounds and I feel like P was making reads yeah he got hit a few times but he
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was really figuring out that range and then Z man he just let loose in that third round he he was downloading as the
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as the rounds are going on which is a really risky game to play yeah but Pera is is such a vet he has such high fight
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IQ striking IQ that he can he can get away with that um which he did I think
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that khil um he did exactly what he had to do the game plan he had to execute to
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potentially you know upset the champion yeah you you have to take to the champion and he did for for two rounds
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he came at him hard he was connecting he was um seemingly giving Pera a a
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challenging time more challenging of a time than than most have been able to and I thought it just it it really spoke
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to to the athlete to the fighter to the heart of khil and I I was really happy
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with his performance yeah I thought he did um really well um until that nose
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got busted up until he started eating those Jabs and really feeling the power of perea it looked like he didn't really
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Pera didn't really step into his punches until like Midway through the third round and then in the fourth it was more
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of the same just like being able to come in with those like nasty one twos and the leg kicks started slowing khil down
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and like you could just see it on his face he was getting busted up more and more of every hit um yeah man p is just
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a big old monster he's on another level he is he really is he's um just I don't
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think the the UFC has has seen somebody like him and he's done it in such a short amount of time and yes he has
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crazy striking um you know kickboxing accolades before he got into the OC but it really has just been a crazy catapult
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into success and and he's earned every step of the way he's always game he's you know that um that that dream athlete
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that an organization you know looks for in um in their Champion so it's it's
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really impressive to watch what he's done and he's just he's just a force to be reckoned with yeah I feel like uh
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that moment that I was talking about where he threw like kind of like a question mark Kick K dipped out of the
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way and then came back with a loaded hook and dropped him I feel like khil is going to look back on that moment and be
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like ah you know yeah cuz because he backed off immediately I think I think
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he might have felt like and this is this happens to all of us where you hurt somebody and your corner is yelling
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because they heard it or they saw it in the opponent's face but because you're looking at everything you might have
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missed the Tails but you hurt someone and then you back off thinking like it was just a slip or yeah you landed clean
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but it didn't really do that much let's reset and get it going and you could see that that was a legit drop like he
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didn't just knock him off balance like he hit the chin and the legs collapsed underneath them for like a split second
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and I felt like he should have jumped on him in that moment he he went back to the center kind of uh regained his
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composure and started getting back on Rhythm but like that was the moment that he should have swarmed and he was swarming every now and then in the fight
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already so it's was like oh that that was when that would have worked and I think he's going to look back on that
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and be like oh I almost had the champ I almost had
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and that was before P started pulling ah head too it was I think the second yeah the second round he did that and in my
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head I was just like oh my God he's gonna do it and then he backed off yeah it's um it's it's one of those things
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that sometimes a fighter misses as you were saying or or sometimes Fighters just react in a way where they get
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excited and they'll close distance when they have a fighter hurt and they'll start trying to you know clinch and and do something else that didn't get them
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to that point of success so it's it's just um sometimes our our emotions or
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you know uh the tunnel vision uh it just kind of um blurs what's what's reality
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and what's really happening and sometimes Fighters get um excited or don't realize the success that they're
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having yeah um did you see our boy Jamal Hill's reaction I did
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and I'm sorry but py I had a really good comeback for it oh no it was really good
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I'm sorry I got to give credit where it's due it was so good and it was on the Fly too I wonder if he already knew
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about it before or if he had heard from the for the first time during the press conference but either way that was a
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witty ass comeback it was really good I don't know he he he gets extra uh time
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to think of a witty comeback though because of the translator yes yes he does he had him translated twice yeah
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like say one more time wait I know I got it I have the words in my head I just have to word it right my theory is he
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actually speaks English oh yeah and he's just he's just playing it up for sure I don't know that for a fact and we
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got to ask Sean Strickland I bet they communicate well without a
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translator that's so funny yeah the so um Jamal hill we didn't even say what
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happened Jamal Hill was yawning afterwards because of course the camera pans to him and he's like y afterwards
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like ah after P knocks out khil round Tre and they mentioned that in the press
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conference and P responds oh maybe he
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just woke up from UFC
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300 it was a good one my heart it was a good one my heart it was a good but but
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Jamal like I saw he like responded on Instagram or something and he was like
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that was a good one but but I'm coming for you so he took it with st he knew what he was doing yeah of course he knew
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what he was doing he was great at self-promotion yes uh no no press is bad
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press in his mind yeah and I love it and honestly he's he's so quick and sharp
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with his words that I he's like not afraid to get into like a battle with somebody some people will you know drop
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a bomb and then they're like when they get responded to they're like whoa whoa whoa what are you talking about I was wait a second you're not like it was
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just I was just wanted to say one thing you can't do that with Jamal well you know who I felt like had a little bit of
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that happening to them uh Juliana Pena when her and Kayla Harrison was going at
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it at the pre-fight presser yeah I feel like pinga finally got a taste of her
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own like little [ __ ] talk medicine and she didn't like it I wouldn't like it
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but I I don't get into those kind of like uh Wars of words with so classy I
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just you know I like to conserve my energy didn't you give Yanna like a a Lord of the Rings ring or something
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listen she was making fun of me and and honestly so no no no no no no we're
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going to talk about this right now cuz I still get hate for it I still get hate for it I mean it's not like we didn't
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all call her smeagle when she would do the I was not calling saying that she looked like it I said her stance her
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stance reminds me of this and people were like oh my God shots fired all of
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like the stupid MMA websites just like went in at it and I was like oh my God what is happening as a woman you can
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never make fun of another woman's looks because that is you being a hater I was
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not saying anything bad about her looks but that is how everybody interpreted it
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and all of a sudden I am a huge villain so I just decided to lean into it oh
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nice as she's leaned into to you you gave her what she really wanted the
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precious precious oh my God I still I still hear
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about that it's just I it's a little bit out of character for me yeah yeah I'm like not really comfortable in that like
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heel villain kind of kind of position I dabbled in it and I'm just like you know
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what not for me you're more of the like mysterious uh you know shadow in the
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back of the room kind of I'm a person yeah you lurk you like things you don't
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comment on them and you don't follow them you just like them if it shows up on your for you page no that's very true
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that's very true I'm not committing to liking you but I'm going to like that post cuz there's a dog in it I like that
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we'll see what else you have and then maybe I'll consider yeah we need three
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likable posts otherwise I'm not joining three is the magic number well yeah uh paa and Kayla Harrison went
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at it and I feel like she should have been a little more prepared just because she knows I'm sure she knew that Kayla
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Harris she has a mouth on her Harrison she has a mouth on her she likes to promote herself ping likes to promote
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herself I feel like she should have been more prepared for that scuffle but it seemed like Kayla was was more ready for
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it than her well she just made very valid points it wasn't even like
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anything like crazy you know out the side of her mouth or anything that she just came with facts and and the facts
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were the easiest way to own someone yeah but hey uh I would love to see that
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fight and it looks like the judges they really wanted to see that fight they really wanted to see that fight too
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because there is no way that Juliana Pena won the first round against uh
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Raquel Pennington and uh that fight man we just rewatched the first round just
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to make sure we weren't biased or whatever I actually we both picked ping it to win but that first round it was
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all Pennington I I thought Raquel showed up in in a way she was just the her best
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self that fight I think that's the best we've seen her her boxing was so sharp
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she was Landing power shots enough to drop Pena and the judges I'm just not
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sure how they got that first round I think they got the other rounds correct mhm um I I agree with their scoring but
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the first round I I just don't see how that happened and who picked her picked up or scored it for ping in the first
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round um that was Sal demato and Mike Bell repeat
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offenders both on my list actually I'm not sure about Mike Bell but well he is now he's on a list that I've seen before
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yeah he's on someone else's list for sure uh salato been on the list forever
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man it sucks when and that's what I'm talking about it's like these tinger
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judges that a lot of times more often than not get it right they will go in
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cahoots together this is my my foil hat uh coming out oh we're going down the rabbit hole they go in cahoots together
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you have Sala model you have Derek clearly or clear you have um Mike Bell
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you have a couple other guys um Douglas Crosby is no longer there but I feel like he was the ring leader yeah he's
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probably they they they're probably still in the Discord somewhere sending he's sending the uh the orders for his
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minions all right guys we're going to make a little money tonight we're going to put all this on PING and to win and
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we got two guys that are going to make it happen like that's what I feel like is going on because that it doesn't make
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sense how they can get it right for one fight and in the same night screw it up
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and and they're scoring off of like contrary um you know ways to win so we
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saw a lot of you know uh grappling being separated grappling being stand stood up
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um and we saw a lot of you know a lot of times that they'll just go for the striker that wins but um last night we
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saw a lot of of pressure winning yeah when damage was done that could you know
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possibly take that round away and it wasn't granted and then in the Carla
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Tisha fight where there was pressure and Strikes from Carla she ended up losing
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3027 on somebody's car it's crazy 30277 I had Carlo winning the first and
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third it's so crazy so we don't know what's going on with the judges but let's go back to the p uh Pennington
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fight um aside from the first round I think that was the one that
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was under the most like I guess wavering
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because the other two or the other four it was clearly two for paa and two for
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Pennington Pennington ended really strong pinga like got some takedowns in
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the second and third and uh yeah I think it was just a really clear cut decision
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I think the only reason people are debating the first round is because of what the judges said but it was one of
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the more clear rounds of all of them so yeah I don't know I I feel really hor
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for uh Raquel Pennington I feel like she got screwed out of her title it's you
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could tell that she worked really hard like you said she looked better than she ever has um and it's wild because I felt
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like Pena was fighting worse against Raquel and than she did against Nunes
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there there was no there was not a lot of forward pressure that we typically see and I I have to credit it to to
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Raquel Pennington her her sharpness and her power that she was throwing with those punches
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her jerk off jab stop yourself I've never heard it called that
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before in my life and I can never unhear it or unsee it ever again it will always be the jerk off jab now it's so weird
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it's it's annoying as [ __ ] I hate when people jab me like this because it just kind of Pops your head up so instead of
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throwing the jab like a straight ah like a straight in Quirk screw like that and
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keeping your elbow in they lift the elbow and kind of pump that hand out like
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like a Friday night before you ready to have sex yeah when you're
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in high school in the car cuz you couldn't go home cuz your parents would hear you yeah that's that's it
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yes digress yes yes so this is the most annoying jab to get hit with because it
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doesn't hurt incredibly hard it just like pops your chin up and makes it
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really annoying but then if you put it together with a one one two you go jerk jerk boom then you're getting caught up
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here but she did land a huge jab in the first round that like rocked Ping's
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socks off so I'm just like what did they see in the first that made them score
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for pen Pion I don't know I I'm really confused about it and we did watch it again just to be sure yeah and and I
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just don't see it um Penny was getting pushed back the whole time Raquel was coming forward she had more volume she
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had sharper punches more power shots it just it didn't did not compute to me did
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not compute but what it did compute to was that uh Pena Harrison title fight and uh
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fight promo that we were actually itching for so I guess we can't be too mad because we're going to get fireworks
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we are and hopefully she doesn't have balal in her Corner again boring up her
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game plan well I I mean you would think that with balal in her corner there would be a lot more you know High crotches and cage
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pressure and you know all that yeah it's like she didn't take any of the great things that bow does and only took
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things that people hate strictly for intimidation the
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boredom leave him alone uh but no I I definitely expected to see more takedowns and stuff uh from her having
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him in her corner but you know it takes some time for that stuff to stick like if you're doing a new technique working
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with somebody new a lot of times it takes uh maybe a year maybe a few camps
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for you to really trust in those techniques and really go for it and she looked a little tentative in this fight
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like I felt like there was stuff that she wanted to do that she just wasn't pulling the trigger on yeah I'm not
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exactly sure why CU Raquel doesn't you know typically go for takedowns um she's
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not really you know she's been primarily using her boxing to win her fights and I
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saw a much aggressive version of penya with Amanda nunz and like in her
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previous outings I've Just Seen A lot more pressure a lot more forward um I just I I don't know what that was about
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could it be you know rael's game plan and her offense could it have been you
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know altitude coming into effect we don't know
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it's um I I don't know what it was I mean altitude is something I kept
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forgetting about this fight card because the fights were so crazy like the fights are really high uh high output really
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energetic so that could be a factor too the altitude definitely could have played a part in this fight in the Aldo
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fight um in certain fights where the fighter just didn't seem to have the same scrambling ability that they
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usually do the same uh explosion that they usually have so that definitely could have been something too we we'll
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have to see what sea level pinga looks like when she fights uh Kayla Harrison
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inevitably but it looks like she's already trying to duck her they yeah they did set that up they did tease that
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they had um Kayla Harrison in the back after the title was announ the title winner was announced and you know they
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tried to direct the questions to Pena and she completely skirted them yeah uh
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and you saw Harrison's reaction you know just saying that she was running and ducking um yeah I don't know what that
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was about because the pre-fight presser was obviously like contentious and
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leading up to that moment and then for her not to have a comment on it was was strange to me it was kind of out of
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character I I might be crazy for thinking this but I feel like pinga
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versus Harrison would be bigger than pinga versus Nunes I think so right like I feel like it means more first of all
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because nunz would just come back and win or lose she'd probably retire after that yeah um she's not going to go back
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into the uh into the rankings if she lost to to fight some other upand Comer
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and she's not going to stick around to fight Kayla Harris because she that's why she left in the first
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place so we don't know that to be true well it's not why she left but it's why she left her gy I I think there was like
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a weird uh energy with this up incer who had her eye on her and potentially
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wanted to fight her and they're training in the same room together with the same coaches like that was that that wasn't
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her Jam I don't think anyone would like that so there's going to be I don't know
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there I I would be surprised if she stuck around to fight Kayla Harrison after beating pinga again if that were
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to happen but I feel like it's just going to be a bigger fight because the
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weight class has finally moved moved on from the nunz era and now we're looking
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for a new person to be that like Dominator at the top and right now it
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doesn't look like Pena is going to be that person just because she's technically lost in the fans eyes
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to the former Champion so now we want to see what happens with this other person
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that everyone has their eyes on no there's an intriguing storyline being built for sure you know Kayla Harrison
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coming in and beating Holmes and now be um klyn Vieira yeah and she just looks
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like she's you know creating that momentum she's um you know well spoken
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and she creates a storyline that you're interested in seeing so I think you know I think that
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we have our next person to watch out for no for sure and uh who do you think uh
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if Kayla doesn't fight Juliana ping and next who do you think it should be to get that next step up to the top
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hold on let me pull up the rankings I mean Pennington would be an easy an easy match think so I was wondering I'm like
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I wonder if there's a clause for um an immediate rematch because it was in my
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mind a weird decision but I also feel like the narrative that the UFC would would most like to promote is this
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buildup between penya and Harrison exactly it's like immediate rematch makes sense when there isn't money to be
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made in another fight yeah so you could do I mean Norma
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deont ooh damont has been on fire lately that
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I don't think they would make that oh do you mean for pinga or for uh either one
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yeah either one I could see that I feel like they wouldn't do that to
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Kayla until she got the belt maybe no I agree with that yeah
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dant seems like I feel like dant should be next in I mean you also have Macy K
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son yeah that would be a good one and she's ranked for Norma deont is number five okay so I think either one of those
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ladies you know could be next yeah I feel like for whatever reason I feel like uh Macy is a little more beatable
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for K Kayla right now both are stepped down apparently Kayla's ranked number three yeah that was a fast one well was
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cat was ranked number two okay um she's you know probably going to I think we'll
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see some shiftings come Monday yeah for sure and we'll see where everything lies but I also I think
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that I don't know like Carol Rosa Jana Santos I think those those ladies should
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be up a little bit higher to be honest yeah it's kind of weird right I think yeah it's a weird I'm seeing a
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weird I guess Dana was right the AI should be doing the rankings instead of
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whoever is on this board of people I'm I'm wondering where stop giving them
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reasons I know stop giving them reasons to take over I'm wondering when Luc
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where lucendo is going to land after her big win against Marina Rodriguez so Marina Rodriguez was number six yeah and
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lendo was number 14 was she uh yeah let me just double check that she was on she
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was 14 on the broadcast 14 and Marina Rodriguez was number six that would be a
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huge jump I don't see her being able to take that position I mean maybe moving up a couple spots and Marina dropping
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but I just I can't fathom her jumping that line because that's the murder's
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row mhm and it really did seem like Marina Rodriguez was off in this fight I
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saw her making you know what she's such a sniper she's so good in the clinch with her strikes with her kicks and uh
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managing that distance it just seemed that she was not making the best decisions yeah uh she had sorry to
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interrupt goad she had lendo hurt um and that's one of the people that I was
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thinking about when I was making that comment earlier when Fighters make those like bad decisions or those reactions
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they're not reacting or responding well to what they just did um that was in my mind she had lucendo hurt and she went
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for uh a tie clinch against the cage and I was just like why wouldn't you keep
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the distance and finish her yeah and it wasn't like a strong tie clinch where you have the head crunched in and you're
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controlling them with your forearms and you can twist them and knee him it was like a like it was it was almost like
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she was trying to fall into it I was like M did I not see a kick or or a knee come up did she get I don't know it was
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a it was a really weird thing in the angle that it was at I I was like maybe I'm missing something she was doing a
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big stretch Big Stretch
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and it wasn't working it wasn't doing anything I was getting so frustrated and that's one of the fights where I was
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like maybe the altitude has come to play because Marina Rodriguez is a little
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taller she's dealing with more altitude than lucendo is at least a foot um but
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on top of that a lot of the stuff that uh lucendo did well it requires a lot of
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energy to get out of if you're not Marina Rodriguez and we've seen Marina in the past just get stuck in those
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positions so it was like she didn't have the the same explosiveness that she
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usually has to defend but then once she got into that position where she gets stuck a lot she just couldn't do
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anything she looked like she was drowning at some point sometimes they you know the camera would key in on her face it was like oh man she looks like
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she's suffocating it looks like she's having a hard time and and I mean if if you're not really trying to acclimate to
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that altitude like it just it takes it out of you it's like fighting through quick skin or or with you know um like a
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a heavy vest on yeah it's it's awful um and it just it just looked like she
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didn't um she had the wind taken out of her sales at a lot of points yeah um it was a split decision and I'm wondering
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how you felt about that uh i' I was leaning towards Rodriguez just because
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lucendo wasn't doing any damage on top but at the same time I know how scoring
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works and I or I know that the scoring is not working
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yeah it can be any winner on any given day with the same fight for so many
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fights just because the scoring isn't consistent and Rodriguez really didn't
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do much before she got taken down but she did land a little bit and then she
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would get taken down and lucenda would do nothing so it's like do you score the little bit that landed or do you score
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top pressure it again it's it's hard and in the judging criteria there's just
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this this inconsistency and so I was I was okay
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with the decision but I could also have a case for Rodriguez getting it right um
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it just depends on how I choose to look at the fight and that's again where human error comes in and if those lines
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aren't really distinctly drawn out then it creates this this gray area for for
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wins and losses and I have an argument for either one I could see why they gave
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it to lucendo because she was you know she got the takedown she had the control
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she was she was Landing inside the clinch she was not doing as much damage
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as Rodriguez was in in the opening with the Striking but I also saw her having a
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lot of control time and and dominance and Rodriguez for her case I could also see them giving her the fight because
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she was doing the damage she was Landing really sharp Cris punches she was you
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know effective with her strike and with her offense so I can I I would have not
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been upset if either one had it it's like one of those really really close fights I don't think there was a robbery
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but I think that it was a really tough fight to judge based on the inconsistency of the judging criteria
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and a lot of uh or a little bit of the fault lands on Rodriguez too because she's been in this position before where
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she's somehow gotten either a draw or a win in close fights by doing the same
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thing where she gets taken down she holds and she tries to stop the person from progressing as opposed to getting
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up getting a sweep going for submission something like that she's kind of uh
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leaned on that ability to hold people and be frustrating instead of working on
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ways to use offense on the ground working on ways to get back up to defend
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a little better it's almost like she relies on the standup or she relies on inactivity from the person on top and
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like she's had maybe two or three draws like that she's won split decisions
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where I know I would have lost if I had performed the same way so a little bit of the fault lands on her too yeah and I
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think that it it works you don't want to change because it's keep it keeps
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working right so I think finally it didn't work for her and this is an opportunity for her to learn and a grow
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and just because she's always been you know in that that
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top tier close to potential you know one fight away from title contention and you
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know these things keep happening to her where she loses because she's on her back or she's getting you know just kind of neutralized in these positions and as
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you were saying she's not fighting out of it um she needs to evolve if she
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wants to you know break that top three get into title contention picture she's got to make those adjustments and for
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somebody that is ranked so high to not be making those adjustments it's it's kind of frustrating and um I can't feel
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bad for her because it it relies on her yeah no for sure um what do you think
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next for Lucinda man it's it's a big J so she's going to get a top 10 next maybe she'll
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get a top 11 maybe she will oh are you calling your shots let's go
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lucendo I know how to defend a body lock takedown come on let's do
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it I would love that fight I feel I look at a fight like this and I think you
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know she's she's had a few good wins a few exciting wins uh but there's still a
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lot to pick apart when it comes to having that experience Gap um between me
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and someone like that and being able to see oh okay like she's not really doing anything here I could probably
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capitalize there she kind of whiffs on her punches I could probably pull one out and then hit her with the counter
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like just using that let's not give away the whole game plan just I mean that's just from what I saw but who knows I
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might hit her with uh with the little jerk
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punch I'll put my chin in her eyeball oh yeah so uh oh I guess we already talked
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about the chin and Eyeball thing you should do a tutorial you should do that I feel like that should
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be the tutorial that that we do we'll do chin in the eyeball and the body lock
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Tak down okay yeah body lock take down to the chin and Eyeball some people were
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just blessed with with a long chin natural ability to to eye poke with not
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your fingers it was crazy that they were they were stood up and it wasn't warned first
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you know what I'm saying that is true um I I heard a Adam yelling it he was like
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yo she's putting her chin in her eyeball but I'm like ah I feel like that's legal but then I think you told me
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that it's not it is it's not legal until you get caught it's a gray area it's a
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gray area it is they do not they do not list that backstage they talk about
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eye pokes Fish Hooks you know 12 to six which is almost gone and done with out
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out with the old um but they do not mention you know where you can put your chin exactly you know what my favorite
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like uh gray area cheat move is what when someone has a long ponytail and
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they get like caught in your legs or something or somehow you'll get that ponytail with your leg you don't let it
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go mhm is a nice little cheat cuz they'll be trying to pick their head up and like I haven't seen that since the
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ultimate fighter I know I've s seen it like a couple times and then every now and then I'll try to do it in the gym
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just little like got your ponytail pulling your
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pigtails it's cuz I like you use your toes this is how I
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flirt oh that's another one I like the little nipple twister with the toes you are great at that yeah you're great at
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that I don't know if that's a cheat move is that a cheat move to nurple twist something purple nurple someone yeah
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yeah yeah they don't say it backstage though no they don't so again do it until you get caught yeah no Wet Willies
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they don't say that Wet Willie would be horrible oh my God soad didn't uh what
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fight did we see where I feel like that happened was it um porier and
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Chandler did it oh something wild happened I know he like blew SN in his
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it was it was a fish hook yeah he fish hooked he blew snot in his face there was a lot going on but I I feel like I
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remember a wet Wily happening in some in a fight I don't think it was that one but yeah there Google that if you're not
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cheating you're not trying Eddie Alvarez told me that that was the first time I heard that Hey listen to that man he
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knows what he's talking about he knows he knows for sure um so well going back to weird judging let's take a quick look
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at Aldo versus Batista before we head to our bonus but man
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so this was another one we had to rewatch because I am extremely extremely
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biased to my boy Jose formerly known as
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finally saying it right wow finally known as Jose Alo by the way Eddie Alvarez and Dustin poier was the wet
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wiie was it yeah oh I want to see yeah yeah yeah I'll play for you in a second
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okay sorry okay I knew it happened I knew it wasn't making [ __ ] up
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but okay so uh both of these guys are incredible Fighters uh Batista isn't as
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welln but he is insane and so I was a little disappointed at his game plan for
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this fight yeah but he he won off of it and this is what they were trying to do
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away with you know we hear damage damage damage he did not do nearly as much
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damage as Jose did no he didn't and he won the fight by grinding it out but if
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you look at our current bantamweight champion he also fought Jose Alo this
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way Jos so who's at fault uh or not who's at
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fault but who who's to blame this guy for doing the same thing uh it's just
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frustrating because sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't in Mor Rob's case it was
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there was no damage done at all it was just oneway traffic for morab he just kept pushing Jose up against the
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fence and doing little pot shots which is more than what Batista did and he won the fight that way but Bautista um in
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the open was losing in most of the exchanges I think the first round he did
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the best um but then the second and third H um Alo started catching his
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range really landing on him there was like that moment in the beginning of the second where he like landed that knee he
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was Landing Jabs like he was he was just picking Batista apart and then he get
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pushed up against the fence again and then in the third more of the same uh there was a little more back and forth
41:10
with Batista in the standup but Aldo was the only one actually trying to hit because Batista was so busy pushing him
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up against def fence and that third round I feel like was the one that got
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him to win and that was off of like just pressuring so much that he got broken
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the fight got broken because of no action and then he immediately shot in again and did the same exact thing that
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was more than half of the round yeah it I think he started his cage pressure at like 210 yeah like with 210 left in the
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round like it was um it was a smart game plan it was he did what he thought he
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had to do because he was getting pieced up by by Jose um it is the third round
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that was in question and that's um Derek
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clearly and Mike Bell gave it to Batista chrisly gave it to
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Aldo we're seeing some consistency here yes he just uh they were he was told not
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to uh give it to Batista because it would look strange Chris Lee
42:21
was make sure only two of you give it to Batista not all three we [ __ ] up with
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the Carla fight it was supposed to be it was supposed to be a split yeah but I mean based off of them
42:34
scoring the first round the way that they did because that was a lot of cage pressure on uh coming from Batista so it
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kind of makes sense why they would see it that way yeah but Aldo wasn't Landing
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in the first yes true like he didn't really find his Mark until the second like he landed a couple things but um
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the big things that he landed were in the second and third and uh you know the jump knees uh the just the pressure the
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boxing the leg kicks too started um you know Landing as well uh he was able to
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cut him with that jab in the second as well so there was there was a lot of damage done in the second and third that
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I feel like was overlooked by the judges because first round yeah it made sense in most people's eyes but then the
43:17
second and third is like okay what happened to this damag forward uh
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thinking behind judging it's it's just really uh frustrating because it wasn't like
43:28
Batista was pushing pressuring and hitting and doing damage like breaking
43:35
hitting going back for the takedown hitting as he's not getting the Tak down breaking like that that's the type of uh
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performance morab put on against Aldo and for Batista to Simply pressure it
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just seemed like um unfortunate that that's the way that Aldo was beaten in
43:53
that third round and it just doesn't seem consistent again where we don't know what's actually scoring fights yeah
44:01
that's um it's helpful for fighters to know what wins them fights guys yeah we really need to know we we're we're
44:08
grasping at straws here we're like I busted them open is that enough no you
44:14
got taken down and nothing happened to you s back I'm sorry you got taken down
44:19
and you got right back up so you lose yeah even though their nose is on the other side of the face it's uh yeah it's
44:26
just so frustra as a fighter to see this I'm sure frustrating as you know simply a fan to see it but like as a fighter
44:32
too we're watching as a source of knowing how to steer our fights in the
44:39
future if it's a close fight you got to know these things like you got to know how to pull ahead and right now it's
44:45
very unclear if you look at this card and you're trying to figure that out you're not going to know what the [ __ ] to think because there are so many
44:52
contradictions in the judging on this card it's frustrating
44:57
um what do you think's next for Alo after this uh they were saying and you kind of mentioned that they they kept
45:03
throwing out the contract notices like oh hey the contract is almost up for
45:10
this person or that person this is the first time that I've I've heard anic do this but he was he was saying it and he
45:15
mentioned it especially for um Tim Means oh okay uh who's 40 and um OSP who's 41
45:24
do you think they're swapping it for the old talk like they heard you they heard
45:29
us complaining about the old person talks so now they're just uh going to
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contract contract number not age number maybe they are maybe they are maybe they
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were paying attention but um yeah it's just I I feel like there are so many other things to talk
45:47
about rather than their contract rather than their age um yes I
45:54
understand that you know age can be seen as a thing but there's also ways to to work around age or work with it um use
46:01
it to your advantage with your experience there's just other things to talk about and I wish that you know in
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the fighter meetings I wish they were having more meetings with more fighters on the card so they had more things to
46:12
talk about which is how we feel should talk about their looks like Jessica would you
46:19
look like schmeel stop it no she would never she would never she's too classy I did not
46:25
she she did not and she will not that's my
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job what are friends for like she did look like smeel
46:37
though it was the posture just in that posture it was the posture posture can change everything MH um yeah the the
46:47
contract talk is new I feel like I feel like they're trying to set up the
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conversation for is this person still going to be in
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the rankings in a few months and uh I
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think well with Tim Means and stuff I guess that's not really a debate but
47:09
with Jose Alo he's he's fighting these guys who are right up there and he's
47:15
trying to prove that he belongs despite his age um despite how
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uh despite his cage age too which is always different from your actual age so
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uh so yeah I feel like that has something to do with it not just the fact that they're at the end of their
47:32
careers but it is it is interesting I'm wondering um wondering uh if we're going
47:38
to get that question next time we show up to fight week like oh how many fights you got left in your contract well they
47:45
can they can look it up yeah I'm sure they have that in their not I know oh yeah yeah yeah they must be able to I
47:51
feel like I I feel like maybe it's information that they're willingly
47:56
get giv too like they'll say what's your motivation for this fight and then the fighter will go well you know I have one
48:03
fight left in this contract so I want to make a mark you know like I feel like that that happens more so than anic
48:10
going hey how many fights he got left in contract no I feel like they just slip it to him like when I used to do um I
48:18
used to get like a little a little pamphlet when I would do um you know commentary and it would just be like
48:24
facts and notes and then in the fight or me I would be able to like ask questions based upon that or you do my research
48:29
based upon that so I feel like they're just given a lot of stuff yeah they
48:34
train at this gym they have one fight left in a contract they are over 40 so
48:40
here we go take them out to the pasture and shoot him why don't you yeah w w
48:47
well Jose Aldo was ranked 10 and Batista was ranked 11 so definitely going to
48:54
switch positions MH um and on Honestly though like somebody like Jose I feel
48:59
like he can call his shot still yeah you know they can give him a list of names
49:05
or he can throw out a name so I don't necessarily know who they would give him
49:11
I'm sure that he could he could call it though yeah you you definitely think he's going to stick around and fight
49:17
some more yeah I do I think the motivation is there I think uh maybe
49:24
Salt Lake City isn't his place to fight I feel like it's kind of cursed I have a
49:29
few places yeah I have a few places like that too like I broke my Apex curse uh
49:36
with with the Pinero fight but then it came back with the ri fight so I'm like [ __ ] the Apex and then I have a few
49:43
cities that I don't like either um I'll should stay away from Salt Lake City
49:49
yeah I mean I really do I really do I it's just it's so hard
49:56
on the a it's so hard on the athletes I mean it's it's a great crowd it's a great town
50:02
it's it's just that the altitude the the adjustments in Camp that you have to make and a lot of people don't
50:08
necessarily have the resources to move their whole Camp to the altitude to
50:13
acclimate properly so it's just um I don't know I I I think that the
50:22
fighters lose in that situation yeah and then the judging too it's like were the
50:28
judges affected by the altitude because they're the same judges that's the
50:33
question that we always get they're not like special Utah judges they're the same guys well and even the refs like
50:40
maybe they were having a problem with the altitude too well let's talk about the ref in our bonus there was a ref
50:45
that royally messed up but it would have been nice to have him in the Aldo
50:52
fight right it really would have I feel like Al would have snuck in extra eye
50:57
poke if he was roughing them um but we'll talk about that there's a few more fights we want to hit on we want to hit
51:03
on uh Carla's retirement too in that fight and uh yeah talk about Jess
51:10
getting ready for her fight against two all right we'll see you in
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the bonus see you oh uh if you join us you can get it right now if not we'll
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see you Tuesday okay
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