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Senators Roundtable - Sogaard Re-Signs, Mandolese, Bourgault, Jarventie Trade Reaction & More
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Jul 22, 2024
In this episode of The Hockey Writers Senators Roundtable, Ottawa Senators writers Jacob Billington, Dayton Reimer, and Paul Quinney get together to discuss Mads Sogaard's two-year contract, the Roby Jarventie for Xavier Bourgault/Jake Chiasson trade, Kevin Mandolese getting dealt to the Colorado Avalanche, and more. 0:00 Intro 0:58 Mads Sogaard Signs a 2-Year Contract 4:41 Kevin Mandolese Traded to the Avalanche 11:06 Jarventie Traded to the Oilers For Bourgault & Chiasson 18:59 Where do the Senators need the most work depth-chart-wise? The Senators Roundtable crew are great writers too - Jacob Billington - https://thehockeywriters.com/author/jbillington/ Paul Quinney - https://thehockeywriters.com/author/pquinney/ Dayton Reimer - https://thehockeywriters.com/author/dreimer/ Subscribe to The Hockey Writers Ottawa Senators Substack for all the best Sens content - https://thehockeywriters.substack.com/subscribe Follow The Hockey Writers: Twitter - https://twitter.com/TheHockeyWriter Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thehockeywriters_ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheHockeyWriters/
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Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Senators Roundtable
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I'm your host, Jacob Billington, joined by Dayton, Marimer, and Paul Quinny. Dayton, got back from vacation
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We wasn't much to talk about last week, so we kind of skipped a week. Dayton, how was your trip
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Oh, it was awesome, yeah. It was out in your neck of the woods there. Yeah
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And, I mean, it was a little rainy, but beautiful time. Very much fun
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Good. Paul, how you doing? Just trying to stay cool. Hope my air conditioner doesn't bring
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Ottawa has been hotter than well, I won't say this. It's been like that here too
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out in Nova Scotia. It's very, very warm. So we actually had
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a very weirdly busy day in Ottawa news yesterday in the middle of June
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Steve Stales must have just got back from vacation because there were three announcements
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coming from the senators. First of all was Mad Sogarde signing a
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a two-year deal. What do you guys think of that? I mean, it was bound to happen. There's not much
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to think of it. League minimum deal in the NHL, second year is a one-way contract. What are
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your thoughts? Dayton, we'll start with you. Sure. I think that is perfect for his timeline. He is
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supposed to be kind of the goalie of the future for the senators. And he's had a couple of bumps in the
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road. Last season wasn't his strongest, which was unfortunate. But you could say that about
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pretty much anybody on the senator, so I don't hold him responsible. He's, you know, making progress in the minors
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He's doing what he should be doing. And having that second year as a one way, I think, shows the confidence that this franchise
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has in his ability to get to the point that he will be at least competing for a roster
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spot in 25, 26. Yeah. So he doesn't need waivers this year, but next year he will
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So a year in a couple months from now, he's going to need
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go on waivers if he doesn't make the NHL. So at least I have a bit of fluctuation to deal with this year
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Paul, what do you think of Mad Sogard coming back? Yeah, I mean, a bit of a no-brainer
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I mean, he was stellar in Belleville this year, right? He's, uh, I looked his stats up
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He's top 10 in goals against, uh, number 11 in the entire league on safe percentage
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So he's, he's right up there with a number of, uh, young players that
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that are on the cusp of breaking into the NHL. I'm thinking here of Dustin
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Dustin Wolf in Calgary. He certainly compares to him. But ideally you'd want to see him develop a little more in the NHL
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And after I was only 23, goaltenders don't really come into their own
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until they're, say, late 20s. But, you know, I was got thinking about it
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I said to myself, what happens if for whatever reason you've got to call
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so guard up either because of an injury or possibly Olmark Leads Town leaves town at the trade deadline
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and then you know with that possibility I thought my God they really are thinning goal
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there's not a lot of depth in goal they're not solid but you know to say he's not ready for the NHL
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based on his unimpressive performance in the seven games he played you know I think is a bit
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unfair. I mean, he's backstopping. Last year, he's backstopping when he was in goal
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one of the worst teams in the NHL. I suppose if he resurrected Terry Sautchuk, the senators would
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make him look bad. So, you know, I don't think you can pin it on him. So anyway
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this is my rambling thoughts on, on Sogard. But yeah, really, no choice in the matter
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You're going to sign him, as Dayton was saying, he's one of the horses you're going to ride into
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the future. Yeah, you both mentioned that he's been taking steady steps in the
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HL, which is absolutely true. Struggled in the NHL, not a big deal as a 23-year-old
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8.59, say, percentage this year hurts a little bit. But you're running into the season
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So, Paul, you mentioned how the goaltending depth is a little bit weak. I don't think it is
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I think you have Lina Slemark, who's one of the top goalies in the league
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You have Anton Foresberg, who two years ago just ended his, season with a 9-17 save percentage in Ottawa
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Then you have Mad Sogard, a young guy. Most teams don't have a third guy that they can rotate into
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And if they need one, they can find one somewhere. And that kind of transitions into the next piece with Kevin Mandelese being traded
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So Ottawa still has, after Sogaard, they're still going to have Levy Mirror Line in the organization
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But then they move on from Kevin Mandelese, trade him and a seventh round pick to the Colorado
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to Avalanche for a sixth round pick. It's kind of a nothing move. I don't understand
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I don't understand why that deal had to happen now. I understand that Steve Stales wants to make this his own roster
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his own organization, but I just, what does Ottawa get out of that deal
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Mandeleesie wasn't hurting anybody being in the ECHL and being able to come up to the AHL when needed
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I don't really understand. What are your thoughts on that, Paul? Yeah, I mean, well, just going back to, I probably chose the wrong word when I was talking about the goaltending
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Probably a better, what I was trying to express was it's not solid. You know, you don't have Allmark under a contract
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He could be gone in a year. And then Forsberg, hey, an injury could happen
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And yeah, then you got a problem. But on Mandelese, I don't know, the trade was a bit of a nothing burger
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I'll give him credit that he exchanged a goaltender he doesn't really care about or want
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and a sixth round pick what do you do, a sixth round pick in exchange for a seventh round pick
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Ottawa got the sixth round pick. Ottawa got the, yeah, they got the six
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So for what it's worth, he traded up, I guess. Yeah. In terms of draft
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But, yeah. Dayton, do you have any thoughts on the trade? Yeah, I think there was just no room for him
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He hadn't progressed quite as much as Zogard or Levi-Marolin. So he was already a third guy in the minors
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And then the Belleville senators go out and sign Michael Simpson from the London Knights
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who is a pretty interesting goalie and will play probably decent minutes
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decent games in the AHL this year. So that pretty much fills up the HL
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You could throw him down in the ECHL, but he's, you know, that's not a great place to get minutes
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especially if you're going to continue competing against a guy like Levi Marilinen who could easily go down there and play starting minutes
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Then you've got a couple of guys in Vladimir Nikitin and Kevin Reidler who are looking really interesting
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and they're getting close to earning an NHL deal probably within the next year or two
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I would expect one of them to be signed at least. And so all of a sudden, like, that's a lot of goalies to find places for
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And I don't think Marilin had, or not Marilin, Mandelisi had shown that he deserved a starting spot above any of those other guys
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So I think it just came down to we don't have room for him. Let's give him a chance somewhere else
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And they got a six pick instead of a seventh, which, yeah, It's better than a seven
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So one thing I find really interesting and I know that a player struggling in the ECHL and the AHL isn destined for a strong NHL future
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I do think, well, so if you just look at the stats, Mandeleasy was the best goaltender
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in terms of NHL stats that Ottawa has in the pipeline. He only played three games this year, had a 9-16, but he had an outstanding debut and
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second game as well. I just wonder with guys like him, and I'm not saying that Ottawa should have traded Sogarde or Mirleinen over him
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but with players like him, you look at the ECHL and the AHL, and they're just chaos leagues
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There's not as much structure in the games. And that's why you see, like, Tyler Cleven, I think that he's going to be better in the NHL than he was in the AHL
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because he's somebody that will thrive on structure. And it seems like Mandelisi was that kind of guy too
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And of course you're running on the adrenaline of it. You're being your first three NHL games
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But some players just thrive under more structured teams. And not that Ottawa has been the most structured team over the past few years
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But the NHL is more of a predictable league than the AHL and ECHL
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just because you know who's going to be doing what. Once you get down to those lower leagues, it's just everybody's just running and gunning
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That's just that's fair. I did look into his starts. Like he did have a fantastic debut with a 40
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six save win and played overtime too like 65 minutes in the game that's awesome that's not
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something that you know every goal or only every goal he can do his next two starts though um he allowed
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eight goals between the two of them so his 916 save percentage is or is it 916 yeah it's a 916
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um is a little bit skewed because of that first start so he and he didn't have great
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A HL numbers either. Like an 890 last season, or sorry, two seasons ago, and a 901 last season, like, those are
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fine, but the other guys were doing better. And he was either going to have to spend another year in the ECHL or not play in the senator's system
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And that's not a great situation for a goalie to be in. My God, how bad is Colorado's goalie pipeline
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I mean, it's not good. Well, especially because they just had Frank Hoos retire
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and he joined the staffing on a goaltending scout or goaltending coach or something
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And so that just takes another piece out of their puzzle. And then they struggled last year
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They didn't have anybody to even call up at times. So it makes sense for the avalanche to want to at least
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just add a body. And that's probably all he'll be. Like his potential is maximum
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NHL backup. He's probably just going to be a good minor leaker in the future
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I wouldn't expect him to be much more than that, just based on how he's progressed so far
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So I think getting an upgrade on a pick is definitely not the worst. Yeah, I think we spent too much time on a Mandeleesie trade at this point
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I have thoughts about him. Yeah, no, I do too. So the third deal of the day was a surprising one
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So Ottawa traded Robi Yerventi and a fourth round pick to the Edmonton Oilers for Xavier Borgo and Jake Chesson, not Alex
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Every time I see the name, I think of Alex Chason, no, Jake Cheson
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So just to run it down real quick, obviously the fourth round pick is what it is
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Robi Yerventi has been struggling to stay healthy in the Ottawa organization
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His production rates have been going up, but his point totals have been going down because he's playing less and less games a year
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and then what you're getting from Edmonton, Jake Chesson, he's going to be an ECHL player
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He's not going to get another contract after his entry levels over, I don't think
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And then Xavier Wargo, I think is a really interesting piece. So he was selected 22nd overall
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Edmonton infamously moved down to get him and traded the Yesper Walshead pick to Minnesota
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That one hurts for Oilers fans. but yeah, he's a really offensively driven winger
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Could be a center, probably going to be a right winger. And he's a fairly one-dimensional player
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but his ceiling is a lot higher than Yervente's. So just with that in mind
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what are your thoughts on the trade dating? I like it. Yarranti is a great prospect
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I really like what he's been able to do with the senators, but he's a great skater who has knee problem
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which isn't promising for his future. He had a major surgery in February last year
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He's, you know, his production is kept up, but his minutes, his games have plummeted
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He only played 22 last year. And for a player who is on the one-dimensional side, he's, you know, that's a big, a big red flag
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And with already somebody like Josh Norris in the system who, had issues with his shoulder coming into the NHL
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and then had those, you know, made worse throughout his time. I don't think they want to do that again
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So they flipped him to the Oilers. Now they got Xavier Borgo, who is surprisingly more defensive than Yarventee
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He's a bit more well-rounded. Still a great skater. Doesn't have the injury history
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And also doesn't quite have the stats to back him up yet
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I think they'll come. he was a first round pick and some projected him to be like a lottery pick
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He was very highly regarded in, uh, in 2021. The Oilers will never let down the fact that he's connected to Walsdad though
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especially after their gold tending issues this year. Um, and the last year and however many years, they've had goaltending issues, but like glass 15
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Yeah, it's as I started thinking about it's like, yeah, oh man, they've had goal
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issues forever. They should have picked Walsstad, but no, they needed Borgau, and now he's gone
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And I think Yarventee will fit better with them or at least have some better opportunities
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because Borgau was just always going to be what Walsstead could have been. And that was, you can't
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have that living over the head of somebody. It ruins careers. And I've looked into several that
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have had connections to players that they could have been. They just couldn't live up to it
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So it's a fresh start for two guys. Hopefully it works out. And I like how Stales has prioritized getting a guy who has a bit more well-rounded style of play
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as well also bringing that high-end offense and skating. Fair enough. Paul, what are your thoughts
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Well, you know, I checked the reaction in the Edmonton media to the trade
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and they like the deal. Bob Stouffer, who's a local, yst with Sportsnet
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You know, he said the Oilers of Light, Gervente for some time
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And they say he's got some size, he can skate, he can shoot
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He's also waiver exempt for another season. And, hey, to add icing to the cake, they picked up a fourth round draft pick
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So I guess Edmonton thinks they got, they picked up a diamond in the rough
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but at the same time Jacob I was reading your piece on the trade and I guess that what you see in Xavier Borgo a diamond in the rough For you he got higher upside than Yervente despite the struggles that Borgo had in the Oilers Farm system So it looks like both sides are satisfied
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I don't know whether they got what they believe they got. And we won't know
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You got to remember, these kids are 21. So who knows what they're going to be
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So when I look at this trade, I I look at Borgo's
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A HL production so far and I kind of tilt my head
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and squint my eyes a little bit to make sure I'm reading it right. He has a lot more talent
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than he has shown with the Bakersfield Condors. I mean, he just put out
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his last year in junior, he had 75 points and what was a 49 games, 46 games
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That kind of production doesn't happen by accident. Sure, you can be a really good junior player
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and it doesn't translate to the pro leagues. But I just don't think that he
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was handled in the best way. Bakersfield, they're not a terrible team at all. They're kind of a middle of the pack
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team, but they also really value their veterans on the team, and
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they give them some nice time too. And kind of like that we've seen with Ottawa
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the young guys don't get the chance we truly think they deserve. It's kind of like that in
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Bakersfield, which doesn't make sense as a developmental team. But if he can come into Belleville
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and put up some really good numbers, get some good ice time. David
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Bell is a very good coach at giving the young guys, the opportunities
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And I think the Borgow could take a huge step in his offense this year. I don't agree with you, Dayton, that his skating is great
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I think he's a bit clunky. I think Yerventi is the better skater
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And I would agree that he's better defensively. But yeah, I think that the biggest part of this deal for me is that Yervente is the better
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player today and is more likely to be an NHL player today. But I don't think Yervente is going to be much more
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than he already is at this point, especially with his injuries. I think that Borgo can take another two or three big steps in his production and his development
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So, like, if you're looking at it today, I'm going to take care of Venti, but I'm willing to
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take that risk on picking up Xavier Borgo and hoping that he can become, I mean, like
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he was projected to be a top six winger as soon as, like, last year, people were saying
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like, he can still be on track to be a top six winger. That's nice
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I think Yarr Vente was going to struggle to be a top six winger. And I think you highlighted that really well
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But today, Yar Vente is the better guy, but in the future, probably want to have Borgogh
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And I would at this point rather have Borgow than Tyler Boucher, who Ottawa picked 12 spots ahead of Borgow
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So, yeah. Moving on, I just did a quick highlight of actually wasn't that quick
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actually. I did a highlight on the depth charts. I published those separately in
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on the Hockeywriters.com, went through each of the positions. And I just wanted to kind of get
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your thoughts on who you think, or where you think Ottawa is the strongest, where they're the
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weakest. The goaltending depth chart is going to be going out tomorrow or today, if you're
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listening to this episode when it comes out. Just where do you think Ottawa still needs the most work
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not even in the NHL system, but in the NHL system and beyond
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So when there's injuries, who they're going to call up, just where do you think that they are the strongest and need the most work
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Start with you on this, Paul. Need the most work. Defense kind of scares me, at least the left side of the defense
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You know, it's they've got, you're looking at, you know, if they're injuries
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they've got to cover. All they've got is Jory and Donovan, Thomas Hamera
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Those guys are 20 just coming out of junior. And Sobrango, he's 22
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So it could cover injuries in a pinch, but it wouldn't be comfortable
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But really, what choice do you have here? Because Jacob Larson's gone, Lassie Thompson's gone, Dylan Hetherington, they all moved on
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So you're not deep on that left side. On the right side, you know, I was just thinking of Gwynette
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He impressed me last year. A lot of people thought he was going to make the team
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He didn't. He did. He did make the team at a camp last year
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He didn't play. He got sent down before he played, but he made the team at a camp. He was on the opening night roster
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I love cap issues. Yeah. But, you know, it'll be interesting to see whether he can knock off J.B.D.
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Jacob Bernard Docker. You know, I'd be worried if our Docker because, good Lord, you know
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if you're him, how many times have the senators tried to, get rid of them. You know, they're writing about trying to trade them and then they put them on waivers
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He's probably not feeling too good about his position. I will say, I agree that the defense is the weakest position, especially the left side
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in terms of what is beyond the NHL roster. I was going to include Matthew Andanovsky in that list
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He hasn't turned pro yet. He just signed his entry-level contract. He's going to this season
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but he hasn't even played one HL game yet, so I didn't include him on that list
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But he very well could prove maybe 20 games into the season that he is the top of that left-handed defense list for a call-up
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Yeah, I would be an answer, Jacob, on where I thought they were strongest
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And I may be a contrarian here, but I'm just going to say left wing
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So we can get into that later. Yeah. Dayton. I'm a little nervous about their wings
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I think they've done quite a bit to address some of the deficiencies on their defense
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and while it's still pretty weak, I'm, you know, I think Carter Yakimchuk
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and Gabriel Eliasson, those are guys who will come up and play
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big minutes when they arrive. Jabile Truer may also prove to have some value
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Yeah, like they have a couple of guys who are interesting. They don't have much on their wings, especially on the right wing
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Beyond, like, I'll talk about the right wing here. Beyond Gludgeru and Drake Batherson, there is nobody who has top six potential
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Adam Goddette is a depth guy. Matthew Highmore is a depth guy. Zach McEwan is unfortunately still here
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Michael Amadio is maybe missing. middle six. And then in the prospects, what do they got
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Oscar Peterson or Pedersen, who is done okay. Yeah. And that's being generous
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It is. Yeah. He showed up and played 29 games and seven points
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There's potential there. I don't know if that that was maybe the greatest pick in 2022
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And then Tyler Boucher hasn't done anything. in the pro ranks. He's been injured the entire time
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That's, and even if those guys make it, their top end is like third line
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Yeah, if that, fourth line, I would be more comfortable. Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely more comfortable
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But I think their top potential on like everything going right is third line
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And that's not great. There's a few more guys in the left wing
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who I'm a bit more comfortable with, especially from their 2024 draft class Jevon Moore and Blake Montgomery are interesting Oliver Johansson has some potential Angus Crookshank is very interesting but yeah their right wing has scared me for a while and they continued to not address it in the draft and
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pretty much not in free agency either. So, yeah, well, I would say they did in free agency. Both
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Peron and Amadio prefer the right side. Only one of them is going to play the right side, but they
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on paper improved the right side, but only one of them is really going to be
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a right-sided guy. No, fair. I'm just going by a list, and both of those guys
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are listed primarily as left-wingers. So, yeah. All right. Is there any other thoughts
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that either of you had on, kind of, sorry, Dayton, what's your strongest position
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Strongest? I think they've got a really good center depth. I like how much
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they've kind of put into, developing that. Shane Pinto and really Greg have some strong potential. I like the addition of
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Yan Yanique. He's interesting and could play center. Zach Ostepchuk is great. Just added
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Xavier Borgoe, who has some high-end potential. Stephen Halliday is somehow one of the best prospects
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in the system. I've really liked his development in the NHL. He's been really good. And then you've got
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guys like Tim Stutzla who's one of the best young stars in the NHL
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So I think again, most of these yes, they do have Josh Norris, but he has to play first
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I'll hold my judgment for that. But no, I think they have pretty strong center depth
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Probably their strongest position heading into the season. I agree. I think that looking at the entire organizational depth
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and how ready this team is to really push for a playoff spot is completely contingent on
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Josh Norris. Because if Josh Norris is healthy, probably slots in second line left wing
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I don't think he's going to be playing center anymore. So probably second line left wing and that pushes
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Yeah. So that probably pushes David Perron and Michael Amadio on the third line with Ridley Gregg
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That's a terrible line to want to play against. So like I look at the rock
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And if all of the sudden Josh Norse isn't there, then Perron is on the second line left wing
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And then the third line is going to be what, Crookshank, Greg, and Amadio
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That's a significant downgrade from having Peron on that. So just the whole depth in the organization is contingent on how Josh Norse says this season
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All right. So to close things out, I have a trivia question
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are going to be working together on this. And I hope that you didn't see this because it was actually just posted right before we started recording
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So I'm going to give credit to Locked on Senators for posting this. In the Ottawa Senator's modern history, so since 1991, how many players have scored
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above a point per game in one season with a minimum of 50 games
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So there are... one, two, three, four, five, six. There are nine players that have done it
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I have scored over a point per game. Four players did it once
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Two players did it twice. One player did it three times. One player did it four times
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And one player did it seven times. So I'm going to give you two just a couple minutes to see if you can guess all nine
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Okay. Well, I think the obvious is Alfredson. He did it seven times. Yeah
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Yashin did it at least a once Yashen did it twice Okay
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Do you have any Paul? Yashin Elfretton What's Fess did
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He did it four times Yeah he's on the list Heatley's 50 goals
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Should at least put him in there Yeah, Heatley did it three times How many we got
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You have four of the nine so you have the four players that did it one time and then one player that did it twice Hosa
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Marine Hosa did it once. I think Norm McIver was a point per game, wasn't he
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He might have been a point per game, but he wasn't over it. He's not on the list
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Okay. Was it Sylvan Turgeon? No. You've only got..
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you actually did only have players in recent memory remaining oh okay none of the old guys
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none of the old guys um oh uh schutzlis yeah you had 90 points yep yep yeah tim schutzlough so you got
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three left uh i'd need to chuck brady kachach i almost said mat matthew kachck i don't know
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where that came from um brady kachuk so you got two left um um um Both did it in, actually I'll save that in case you get stuff
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Oh, but I don't think he hit 50 games. I was going to say Drake Batherson
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He did not. Yeah. That was under 50 games. He was like 46
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And I think it was 44 points and 46 games. I think it was
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Or maybe 46 and 40. I don't know. Recent. They did it
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No, Eric Carlson did not hit over a point per game in Ottawa. Really
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this is initials at least. I will say they did it the same year
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within the last five or six years. Six years, I would guess
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Sorry, they did it the same year? They did the same year in 2018-19
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Yeah. Who was on the team? Stone? Mark Stone. Mark Stone. He's one of them. He did it twice
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And so you got one more. He was over a point per game in 1819
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Who was on the team at that point? He wasn't there long
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Well, 50 games at least. Yeah. Oh, I'm blanking on it. And he was traded to Columbus
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Oh, is it? Zingle? It is not de Zingle. Although that wouldn't surprise me with how good he was in Ottawa
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Yeah. Well, then it has to be Dushan. It was Matt Dushane
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There we go. He's the last one. So you guys rattled those off pretty quick, I must say
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But yeah, so that'll wrap things up. It's also crazy that only nine players have hit a point per game in Ottawa
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I feel like that's not very much. And a lot of them have been within the past six years
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Yeah. I'm curious about Norma Khyber now, because, You had a crazy amount of points in the first season
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Ottawa. Oh, he had 63. Yeah, it was a little short. Yeah
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So that's going to wrap things up for today. That was a pretty fun way to end things
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