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Senators Roundtable - Linus Ullmark Trade Reaction, Jakob Chychrun Rumors & More
Jun 27, 2024
In this episode of The Hockey Writers Senators Roundtable, Ottawa Senators writer Jacob Billington gets together with producer Matthew Zator to discuss the trade that brought Linus Ullmark to Ottawa, the latest Jakob Chychrun rumors, and more.
0:00 Intro
0:51 Ullmark Trade Reaction
14:41 Senators & Flyers Are Still Discussing a Trade
18:55 Mathieu Joseph for Brandon Tanev Still a Possibility
20:36 Jakob Chychrun Linked to Panthers, Predators & Golden Knights
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Hey everybody, welcome back to the Senator's Roundtable. I'm your host Jacob Billington
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joined by Matthew Zatorre today. This is your first time on the show. You're usually behind
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the scenes, but happy to have you here. We're a little short man today, but that's okay
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How are you doing? Doing good. Draft is just around the corner and we've got a few really good trades that
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have happened. So yeah, lots of fun as we enter July here
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Yeah, and we've been pumping out the draft content on the YouTube channel. So while you're here
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make sure to go check that out. But speaking of the trades, the Ottawa Senators right before
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game seven dropped a massive trade. And I wonder if dropping this right ahead of game seven is
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Michael Anlauer getting a little bit of payback for the Evgeny Dadnov and Shane Pinto situations
0:49
But the trade was the Ottawa Senators acquiring Linus Olmert, goaltender from the Boston Bruins
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for Jonas Korpisalo, 25% retained, Mark Kastelik and the 25th overall draft pick in this year's
1:02
draft. Bruins fans have a reason to be upset right now. It's a year ago, the day this is coming out
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it's a year ago to the day that Olmert won the Vezina Trophy. As we're recording this, he's
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the current reigning Vezina Trophy winner. That's a pretty underwhelming return. It's a fleece for
1:23
Ottawa, in my opinion. What do you think of the trade, Matthew? I agree. I mean, I thought we, you know, you guys talked about it, that Korpisalo
1:31
there's no way he's being in these trades. No one's going to want that contract. No one's going to want him. Well, the Bruins apparently do. So they, I mean, I don't, I don't understand
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why Chikrin wasn't part of this trade. I mean, I thought that's what was going to take. That's
1:48
what it was going to take. Yeah, first round pick, but it's a late first round. I mean
1:52
you're going to get a pretty good prospect there, but, and Kaslitz, a good bottom six guy. He's a
1:57
good third, fourth line player that probably would fit in really well in Boston. But overall, I mean
2:04
the Bruins didn't really get a lot for arguably their, could pretend saying that their starting
2:11
goalie, their 1A, 1B, whatever you want to call them. I, that's a pretty underwhelming return
2:16
I do agree. I would be pretty angry if I was a Bruins fan too, saying, well, this is what we got
2:21
for him. Yeah. Not too bad. Not too good. At least for me. Well, when you look at the needs that
2:27
Boston needed from this trade, it was to free up cap space. It was to get somebody to help the NHL
2:35
roster now more than the Olmer can do. Cause you have Jeremy Swain and you don't need Lena
2:40
Solmark and that's, that's totally fine. They didn't do either of those things. Mark Castle
2:45
like is not a needle mover. He's going to be a 12th, 13th forward for the Bruins. He's
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is a Bruin. Like the way he plays hockey, he belongs with the Boston Bruins. And then you
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don't free up any cap space. Cause you got a Corpus Sallow at 3 million and then Castle get
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over 800,000. So you're freeing up $1.1 million and that's, that's not doing anything for you
3:11
If you're bringing back Jacob Chickern in the trade, then sure. You can deal with
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no money movement because you're getting a huge upgrade on your roster. I fully expected it to
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be Jacob Chickern and 25th overall. And even then, I don't know if Corpus Sallow would be part
3:27
of that trade. That's what I fully expected. So I'm definitely happy from an Ottawa side of things
3:33
Um, you, you dump the contract, like the price to dump the, you know, this Corpus Sallow contract
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was probably quite high, even at 25% retained. Cause it's still four more years and he had an
3:45
890 save percentage, one of the worst in the NHL last year. I don't know how Steve Stahels pulled that off
3:53
I really don't either. I mean, the thing is, is yeah, Corpus Sallow could be better in Boston
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you know, obviously a way better defense in front of them and way better system
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but I don't know, putting, taking that much term. I mean the money. Yeah. But that other three years
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I mean, you're, you're stuck with them. I mean, I don't know if the Bruins are gonna be able to move him. I, unless they buy him out down the line or something like that, but, or he turns around and
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becomes a really good one B at the Swainman, obviously Swainman's a starter. I mean, there's
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not going to be the same type of split. I, but I mean, if he can be an adequate backup, I guess
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but that's a pretty expensive backup in my opinion. So yeah, I don't get it really. I don't
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And he's going to be better because he can't be worse. Like, um, he can't be worse than the worst
4:42
goalie in the league. And so going to Boston, he's a hundred percent going to be a better
4:45
goaltender. I expect him to be around a 900 safe percentage, um, about an even win loss, uh, ratio
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but like, why do you bring him on? You have Brandon Boosie. Um, he's more than capable of
4:58
being the backup. Like, I just, I don't understand. They didn't, they didn't have the leverage to make
5:06
a deal or sorry. They did have the leverage cause they didn't need to move on Merck. Um, they could
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have been more than happy to stick with all Merck for one year, rather than four years of
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corpus Alla with $3 million. Like I would rather let all my walk in free agency than that. I don't
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know. It, it doesn't make any sense to me, but again, for the auto side of things, couldn't be
5:26
happier to see it. Oh, I love it for the senators. I mean, all marks a legitimate number one. Uh, he
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he complained. The thing is, I think the biggest thing is the centers have to be way better in
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front of them. I mean, it's the thing is, is yeah, he's a great goaltender, but we've seen
5:44
in the past, great goaltenders become bad on teams that just give up tons of high danger chances. And
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I was like, why aren't they playing very well? Well, there's the reason, I mean, Talbot going
5:54
to LA, he looks great. And then in Ottawa, it didn't look very good. I mean, all Mark could
6:00
suffer the same fate. Arguably he's a way better goaltender, I think then Talbot. Um, so, I mean
6:06
I think in that sense, but I think like you guys talked about it, this is not the biggest problem
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that the senators have. Yes. It's one of them, but they got to be way better defensively. If
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they're going to have a chance, even with all market net. Yeah. I think the biggest stat that
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jumps out to me that this trade had to happen was the fact that 22 times in the 2023, 24 season
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the Ottawa senators allowed a goal on the first two shots of the game. That's not a system issue
6:35
That's a goaltending issue. Um, there's, that's kind of the biggest rebuttal to that argument. I
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think, um, you just like first two shots of the game and you're already down that just can't
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happen. Um, and we saw it with the Oilers in the playoffs. They allowed that, um, a handful of
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times and it bit them quite a few times. So, um, yeah, it's it's goaltending certainly needed a
7:00
massive upgrade, but you're right. They do still need to fix the defense. They need to fix the team
7:04
defense and hopefully Travis green can kind of instill some of that in them. Um, he, he didn't
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do that in Vancouver, but hopefully he's grown a little bit since. Um, but yeah, it's, it's a team
7:17
effort, but goaltending needed to be a change. Yeah. Oh, I agree. I like it. This is a massive
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upgrade from corpus, all massive upgrade from Talbot. Um, it's probably back to where they'll
7:28
peak Craig Anderson. I mean, this is, this is probably what you're looking at with all mark
7:34
Um, he is a younger goaltender, so he's going to be here longer. Uh, you're hoping that an extension
7:39
can be done with them because yeah, he's got that one more year. You'd better have that. I was
7:44
hoping that it was going to be extension involved in the trade because then you have a bit more
7:48
security. But, um, the fact that, I mean, there's been, like you said, conflicting reports that he
7:55
he did wave is no trade or he didn't wave snow trade. So did he want to be here? We'll have to
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just see if he signs a long-term. I mean, that's answered, but, um, I think that's the biggest
8:05
question now is that he's got to be extended because this trade can't be just for one year
8:11
Yeah. He, I mean, he's ineligible for an extension right now. Um, he can't sign until July 1st. So
8:16
a lot of people are up in arms about that, about how there's no extension, but he physically
8:20
cannot sign when there might be a handshake deal in place. Um, what do you think would be a good
8:24
extension for him? Uh, in my mind, it's five years, $7 million. Would you be happy to give him that
8:31
I mean, that's a ballpark of where he probably would fall. I mean, goaltenders right now, let's, for a starter, you're going to have to pay at least that
8:40
I you're looking at like Thatcher Demko. I think he's at a six mil. He's a really budget though. I
8:45
mean, it's probably one of the budget, more budget-friendly, uh, goaltending contracts
8:49
for a starter, but I think 7 million is probably a good number. Uh, and I think he probably would
8:57
sign something at that. I think he would probably sign like that in Boston if he was the main
9:01
starter there. So yeah, I like that. I like that 7 million number. Yeah. And it's the five years
9:08
is going to take him until he's 35, 36. And that's, that's a good age to sign a goaltender
9:12
until, cause then another two year deal after that makes sense. Cause goalies usually run a
9:16
little bit longer than, um, skaters do. So, um, just looking at some of the historical numbers
9:24
of Ottawa senators, goaltenders, I don't think that there is a goalie that Ottawa has ever had
9:30
to this pedigree. Um, like Dominic Hashick was 41 when he came, you can argue that, um, he still
9:36
had a nine 25 save percentage in half a season. Uh, Ron Tugnet had a nine 25 year. Craig Anderson
9:43
did have one nine 26 year and a nine 23. Um, but number seven on the list is Anton Fordsberg
9:50
Like Ottawa has historically not have had good goalies career-wise based on the age. I don't
9:57
think there's been a better acquisition than, uh, Lena Solmark on paper, at least obviously
10:02
that can blow up in my face very quickly saying that. Um, but Craig Anderson was 30 years old
10:07
when Ottawa acquired him. So it's, it's more than possible to see, um, Lena Solmark have a very good
10:14
career in Ottawa. Yeah. Well, one thing about all Mark, I think he's, he's in that prime years
10:21
right now for a goaltender. And I think this is probably the best time to get them. Uh, and that
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he's established himself in the league. He's, he probably has quite a few years still, uh, of being
10:32
a really good goalie. And if he can play at the same level, he was in Boston. Um, you're hoping
10:38
that I'm sure everyone's hoping that he plays to the Vezina trophy caliber, like he did last
10:43
season. Cause that'd be amazing. Yeah. But I mean, just being good, I think, I think that's just
10:51
all the senators need is just make the saves that you're supposed to don't be, you don't have to be
10:56
amazing and just, just make saves. I think that's what all Ottawa needs right now. Yeah. He
11:03
all Mark's career over he's played in parts of nine seasons and he only has one season with
11:08
uh, save percentage lower than a nine 13. If Ottawa was getting a nine, 10 save percentage
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out of them, they're, they're laughing and they're in a much better position than they were last year
11:18
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and now Foresberg will be the backup. That's a, that's a good tandem
11:23
I think. And now because you got rid of Corpus, all of that problems solved because everyone
11:29
you know, we're talking about, Oh, bring in a goaltender. We still have Corpus, Salo. What are you gonna do with Foresberg? Well, now it's a good, good tandem there
11:35
And Foresberg can play be an adequate backup. He's shown that he can be that's a good tandem now
11:42
Yeah. It's, it's a fantastic thing. I'm going to get in Tom Foresberg. He had a nine 17 season
11:47
in Ottawa and he has not played on a good Ottawa team. Like he really carried them through, um
11:53
being last in the league in his second year in Ottawa. So, um, and that's what earned his three
11:58
year, um, contract at 2.75 million. So, uh, that's aging pretty well. Um, certainly no issues with
12:05
Anton Foresberg. Would you like an upgrade? Maybe sure. But no issues with this. No. Um
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so a few more rumors about the trade. Boston was really pushing for Shane Pinto. And what I find
12:16
really, really interesting about that is you look at the trade that actually went through, um, again
12:22
it was Corpus, Salo, the first round pick and Mark Castle. Like, I don't know if that package
12:29
is worth as much as Pinto. Like I, the cost to dump Corpus, Salo. I, I don't know. I think if
12:39
you put Shane Pinto in there, that's a more valuable asset than those three together
12:46
Yeah. I mean, if Pinto was involved in it, I think then you're looking at, okay, that
12:50
that makes sense. I, and the fact that no real big asset went in this trade. I mean
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yeah. First round pick. I mean, I, you could argue that's a big asset, but I thought there
13:01
was gonna be something else and a Pinto being involved chikrin. I, I would say, yeah, that
13:08
that would be good. And I don't know. I maybe just ought to, we didn't want to get rid of Pinto
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Then I would think that Boston would say, well, no, we can get, we can get something better from
13:17
another team, but I guess, I guess they figured this is good. Yeah. Well, and it sounded like
13:23
it came down to Ottawa was the front runner since the deadline for Olmert, but Vegas and
13:29
Detroit were in on the talks too. And like, I just can't wrap my head around the fact that nobody
13:35
could put a package better than that together. Yeah. I would think the Redwings would have been
13:39
able to put something better, but maybe they wanted a goaltender return. Yeah. I don't know
13:46
But even then, like you put Alex Lyon in there. Yeah. Or even if you're going with a prospect
13:52
like, I don't think people would be too eager about it, but I don't think Sebastian Coase would
13:58
be completely off the table. If you're acquiring the guy that won the Vesna last year. No, I mean
14:03
again, that wouldn't be a piece that would make sense to me being in this, but yeah, I don't
14:08
understand it from the Broome side at all. Again, that could come by, come back to bite people kind
14:14
of were skeptical about the Andrew Rakoff for two garras trade and Boston seems to be good at getting
14:21
rid of goaltenders that aren't good anymore without bleak knowing. So I don't know. I don't
14:27
expect that Lena's homework is just going to suck now. That's just not how it works. No
14:32
but history shows that that's how it works in Ottawa. So who knows? So in some other trade rumors, the Ottawa senators and Philadelphia flyers
14:43
we talked about this a bit last week, but it still sounds like they have a bit of a deal
14:47
in the works. I wonder if that's where Jacob Chickren is going to land. There's been a lot
14:51
of rumors about Ottawa moving back to 12th or maybe not even taking 12th at all and just trading
14:58
for or trading the seventh overall pick to the flyers because the flyers it's been public
15:04
information now for a week, week or two that flyers want to get into the top 10, but would
15:10
also like to top 12 picks. So is there a scenario that Ottawa gets rid of the seventh overall pick
15:16
without getting the 12th back? I don't know. I think that would take a lot. Maybe it's Joel
15:21
Fairby and Morgan Frost. I don't know how the cap works with that without looking at their numbers
15:25
but the flyers also have the 32nd overall pick. Is there any other assets you're looking at
15:33
from the flyers that could be of interest to Ottawa? Well, I mean, you guys mentioned a few
15:38
names on the last episode. I think, you know, you're looking at guys like Fairby, you know
15:44
Konekny. I think I really like that. Konekny coming back to Ottawa. I mean, it's a big
15:51
big piece, obviously, but I mean, Chikrin or Shabbat would have to be involved in that
15:57
But I mean, now Chikrin's not in the Allmark trade. I think he is one of the pieces going
16:02
back to Philadelphia. And I mean, I think over between the two, I think it's Chikrin over Shabbat
16:12
going in there because he's much more manageable contract wise. I think he would fit a bit. I don't
16:18
know if Shabbat probably would fit well in Philly too, but I think Chikrin may fit a bit better in
16:24
Tortorella's system. So I think you're looking at a guy like Konekny. I don't like the Scott
16:31
Lawton thing. I mean, I don't think he's that high of a, especially if Chikrin's involved in the
16:37
trade, you're not getting Lawton back. I'm maybe one of the pieces, but I think you're looking at
16:41
a Konekny. Farabee. I mean, maybe Travis Sanheim. I really like Farabee or Konekny in this one
16:50
Yeah. And I mean, you look at the value that a seventh overall pick has. I mean, you just have to look at Ottawa's trade history. It's Alex Debrinket. We don't see
17:01
it wouldn't be a surprise to see someone like Travis Konekny get moved for the seventh overall
17:04
pick and a couple other assets or whatnot. But like you mentioned their defense, I don't think
17:12
it's going to be Thomas Shabbat going to contract. Like you mentioned, it's just so much harder to
17:17
move. And yeah, I don't know. They don't have the pieces that Ottawa really needs right now
17:25
outside of Konekny and Farabee. And you mentioned Scott Lawton. When I heard in the season that
17:33
the asking price for Scott Lawton was a first round pick. I don't know if I was drinking something
17:38
but I would have spit it out if I was. It was like, I don't understand the hype at all. He's
17:44
a good third liner. He's an average third liner. Like he's a 35, 45 point guy. He's physical
17:52
He's terrible defensively. Like there's so many players that fit that bill. Like I would even
17:58
just look at what Edmonton has. Like I would rather bring in Warren Fogle that like, I don't
18:05
know, I don't get the hype at all. And people are saying that he has so much value. Don't understand
18:10
it. Ottawa could find so much better in free agency. Lawton. I've never really, like, there's
18:16
been talk about him being traded to the Canucks at points too. And it's like, and it's always a
18:21
first round pick. And I'm like, he's not worth the first pick. I don't, I don't get it either. I don't
18:28
mean he was good for a bit there. It seemed like he had a bit more upside, but he's kind of fallen
18:33
off. And now he is that middle six guy. I mean, not worth the first rounder for sure
18:41
Yeah, there, there's going to be some movement in Ottawa's kind of middle six or bottom six
18:45
depending on where, how you look at things. Matthew Joseph is expected to be traded before
18:49
the draft and we're just counting down the hours now until draft day. So it's, it seems like they're
18:55
trying to move Joseph to bring in Brandon Tanev. It's not going to be a trade for each other, but
19:02
I think it's fine. I don't really have an opinion on that kind of movement because I think that's
19:08
just a change of personnel rather than upgrade or downgrade. The contract is pretty similar
19:15
3.5 for Tanev and 2.95 for Joseph. Joseph has the extra year, of course. I don't really understand
19:23
it other than bringing Brandon Tanev in to be a convincing piece to bring in Chris Tanev and
19:29
free agency. If that's the plan, I'm fine with that, but I don't know. It's whatever. Do you
19:34
have any thoughts on that? I think it, like, I agree. I think it's a lateral move. I think
19:40
you're bringing in same for same. I mean, yeah, I think maybe Brandon Tanev is a bit more physical
19:45
and a bit more of that energy guy, but I think the biggest thing is to say, you know, come
19:52
you can't get Brandon to recruit Chris to come over to Ottawa or wherever. But even then
19:59
I mean, would he? I mean, I'm not really sure on family things. It's like, well
20:06
why didn't he go and sign in Seattle then when he was a free agent last time? Because Brandon
20:12
was there when he was, I believe, he was there. Yeah, he would have been
20:17
Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know if it's as big of a thing. I mean..
20:21
That's a really good point. Right. Yeah. So, yeah, it's that's something that could happen. Keep an eye on that. But
20:30
at this point, until something starts to happen, I'm not too focused on that. But back to some
20:36
Jacob Chickren talks, there does seem to be a couple of other teams linked
20:40
including the Florida Panthers, Vegas Golden Knights and Nashville Predators. Pretty interesting teams. It's..
20:50
Jacob Chickren seemed really excited to leave the West and the South. He was happy to go to
20:57
Ottawa. He was happy to be there, obviously, with his grandfather around. He played really good
21:04
He just doesn't fit in Ottawa. So, I wonder, he was born in Florida and grew up there partly
21:10
I wonder if there's a fit there. There's some questions about Brandon Montour. He's still
21:14
unsigned, pending unrestricted free agent. Is there any assets from Florida that you look at
21:20
that could come back for Ottawa? Yeah. Florida is an interesting one
21:25
because they've got some, of course, some issues to deal with themselves with, like you say
21:30
with Montour. I would assume they want to re-sign Sam Reinhart. That's going to cost a lot of money
21:36
You know, bringing in a guy like Chickren with that money, are you replacing? Are you saying
21:42
well, we want to replace Montour with Chickren? Because that's what you're doing, because you're
21:48
going to have to sign Montour with a lot of money, too. And they do got some... I'm not sure about
21:54
pieces, though. I mean, the Panthers have... For what you'd be getting for them, are you looking
22:00
at Anton Lundell in there? I mean, he's a restricted free agent. That's going to cost a
22:05
lot of money for Florida, too. They may have to trade him. They may have to trade his rights. I
22:10
would like Lundell. I think he'd be another... He'd be a great guy. He's looking like a mini
22:16
Alexander Barkov at this point. And I think I'd actually target him if you're going in that trade
22:24
Yeah, I'm a huge Anton Lundell fan, and I completely agree. The rumored asking price
22:29
for Chickren right now is a first round pick plus a second round pick or a high-end prospect
22:34
I'm sure they would be more than happy to take Lundell back in a trade if that's what it came
22:38
down to. Before yesterday, I would have said Spencer Knight to be part of that trade. As of
22:47
yesterday when they won the Stanley Cup, Spencer Knight's basically dead cap to them. He's making
22:51
four and a half million and didn't play in the NHL. So it's really interesting to see kind of
22:59
what teams have to offer. Same as the Nashville Predators. There's nothing really standing out
23:05
unless you're going after Luke Evangelista or if you're just going for picks and prospects
23:10
I don't know. There's so many possibilities when you have a player as good as Jacob Chickren making
23:16
only 4.6 million. And teams that are in the position of Florida where they just won the
23:23
Stanley Cup. I know that was the second biggest news yesterday after the Olmert trade. But
23:30
won the Stanley Cup. They have so many free agents. They don't have a ton of money
23:35
Generally, their cap situation is pretty good. They're just going to have a hard time this summer
23:42
Can Ottawa take advantage of that and say, listen, you can have this guy kind of like you were
23:46
talking about a replacement for Brandon Montour. You can have Jacob Chickren and he's making half
23:50
of what Brandon Montour would be. And we can even retain a little bit if we have to
23:55
Yeah. I think that's the thing. I mean, Montour is going to be what? 8 million
24:02
That's probably what he's going to cost. And you get Chickren. I mean, arguably he's not as good as Montour, especially how he's been in Florida the last few years
24:10
But I think he'd be a good replacement. He probably won't bring as much offense as Montour
24:19
has lately. But he is that good two-way defenseman. I mean, obviously I say two-way
24:25
and probably a center stance. He wasn't good defensively. But I mean, before he was
24:31
I mean, it seems like that's what he is. But I don't know. It just doesn't seem like he fits
24:37
in Ottawa. And I think that's probably why he hasn't played as well. Could he be better in Travis Green's system? Maybe. But I think he's probably getting traded
24:48
so probably won't find out. Yeah. I will say that Jacob Chickren did
24:53
outscore Brandon Montour last year, but didn't play 15 more games. Yeah. Montour was injured, I think, for a bit of last season, right
25:00
Yeah. He missed the start of the season after surgery, after last playoff playoffs
25:05
But he had 70 plus points last season. Yeah. It's really interesting because is he the 40 point guy he's been on pace for for two of his
25:14
seasons in Florida or is he a 75 point guy that he was last year? It's tough. Yeah
25:23
But do you look at Jacob Chickren and say he can bring similar things to what Montour brought in
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two of his three years here? Or do you say, I'm going to take a big bet on Montour and say
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I hope you're a 70 point guy again. It'll be just a flash in the pan
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Everything kind of went right for him that season. I don't think he's a 70 plus point
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defenseman. I think he's a 50, 45, 50 point guy. But I don't know. I think the injuries
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definitely derailed that last season, even though it was only 15 games. But when you can't start a
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season and get on that role that he did in the last season, I think that could still throw a
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wrench in things. And yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it's more than 15 games. It's preseason. It's
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training camp. All that just getting up to speed with everything. So yeah, no, I completely agree
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But what about the Vegas Golden Knights? That's kind of the last talking point that we're going to
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have is if Jacob Chickren is going to Vegas, what would you like to see come back
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The one thing about Vegas is like, they're again, they're a team that's really cash strapped. I mean
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they probably won't be able to resign Marcia. So obviously they probably want to
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Defense. I mean, I don't know. I'm looking at Shea Theodore at this point. I mean
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they've got some really good depth defensively. Yeah. Theodore's got some. He's a pretty expensive
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defenseman too. But I would really like to see Shea Theodore in Ottawa. I think he'd be really
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good. And there has been talk about him being on the block. I don't know if that's an overpay
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for Chickren because he's obviously, I think Theodore's a much better defenseman than Chickren
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is. But I'd be looking at a guy like that. I don't think Ottawa should be looking at
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prospects or picks for Chickren. I think getting a guy that's going to play and either replace him
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or get a forward or something. But for me, I'd be looking at Theodore. Yeah, I think Ottawa would
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definitely have to be adding to that trade. For sure. Yeah. But I think that if they could target
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Shea Theodore to play on the right side, they would be laughing. And even if they can make
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a huge deal and end up sending Forsberg for Thompson as well. Just change of scenery for
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both goaltenders, really. Yeah, I think that there could be a trade there. And then they have
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some forwards like Paul Cotter. Wouldn't mind seeing him come over in the trade. He was pretty
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solid on the fourth line. And Ottawa has a couple empty spots there now. Brett Howden, Keegan
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Colasar. These are some quality players that Ottawa could really be targeting and could really
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upgrade their bottom six. Yeah, I like those those ones. I mean, yeah, I agree. I think
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like I say, Theodore is a way better defenseman than him. I think you're going to have to add something to it to get him. But it seems like he's on the block. I mean, obviously, there could be
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other teams involved in that, too, because, I mean, he's a great defenseman, but they got to
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shed cap, especially if they have to. They want to resign some of their guys that are coming up
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And Marsha, so seems like that they're wanting to obviously want to get him back because he's
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been great for him. Yeah, I mean, he won the conspiring. How much better can you really be
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Right. If I had to make sense, it's silly prediction season. If I did have to make a
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prediction, Shea Theodore will be traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Mitch Marner. Yeah
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I see it. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of what I picture. I don't want it. I don't want
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Marner in this division, but whatever. Yeah, that would that would be that would be interesting
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But that's going to wrap things up for this episode, a little bit of a shorter show. We're going to be doing a full Senator's mock draft Dayton and I next later this week
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I guess it'll be up on the day of the draft. We're going to go through all that. There's
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a whole bunch of draft content on the YouTube channel. Make sure to go check all that out and we'll see you next time
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