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Red Wings 2024 Draft Targets at 15th Overall, Trading the Pick & More | THW Grind Line
May 12, 2024
In this episode of The Hockey Writers Grind Line, Detroit Red Wings writers Devin Little and Evan Sabourin get together with producer Matthew Zator to discuss the Red Wings drafting outside the top 10 for the first time since 2016, some potential draft targets, whether Steve Yzerman should entertain trading the pick, and more.
0:00 Intro
1:36 1 Good, 1 Bad From the Past Week
5:39 Red Wings Will Select 15th Overall at the 2024 Draft
15:25 Who/What should the Red Wings target at the 2024 Draft?
22:54 Should the Red Wings move their first-round pick?
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It's time for the Hockey Raiders Grind line. A weekly show covering everything Detroit
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Writers, sit back and enjoy the grime. Hello, everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Grind
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Line here at the hockey writers. I'm your host, Matthew the to and as always joined in by my linemates
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Evan Sabor and Devin Little I guys were, uh, we did our grind this past
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um, episode which just a few days ago, but we are getting together now just after the draft lottery and
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uh, where no team moved, everyone was, stayed in the same spot and that means the Red Wings are gonna be picking 15th overall
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uh, not their usual top 10, you know, area, but, uh, it's still a really good pick
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So we're gonna talk about that. Uh, Evan, how's it going? Good
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man. I mean, uh, these playoffs have been pretty good so far. There have been some great matchups on a scale
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It's, uh, it's been a good playoff, having a good time watching it. How are you doing
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Devin? Well, I'm doing good. Happy to be here. With you guys
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Um, yeah, playoff hockey's been a lot of fun, would have been a lot more fun if
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uh, the team we talk about on the show was partaking. But, oh, well
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uh, we're used to that at this point. Right. Yeah. And I mean, I think they're not that far
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O obviously they were tied for them. They almost did make it. Um
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I think they, they could, depending on the off season, which we're gonna talk about at length
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uh, throughout the off season. So, um, yeah, let's just get right into our show this week and start with our one good one bad
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as we always do and I'll start with you, Devin. Uh, what do you got for one good one bad from this past week
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My one good, I'm just gonna kind of, uh, tack on here
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Um, has honestly just been the second round as a whole. Um
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I think in prior years, the first round has been a lot better than the second round
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The second round has been, uh, kind of a let down in, in recent years
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I think that's kind of flipped this year. I think the first round was maybe a little boring outside of a s like one series
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or two. Uh, this, this, uh, the second round, there's really only one series that's been disappointing
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It's that Carolina New York Series, uh, because Carolina is just not putting up a fight now
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They are putting up a fight tonight but, uh, every other series seems to have like
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you know, a real sense of either team could win and it seems like we kind of know who's going to win this series already
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But, yeah, a lot of fun watching the second round, uh, this year
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uh, than my one bad. Um, I'm gonna take the opportunity to
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uh, p on, uh, in Toronto. Uh, OB obviously there's a lot going on over there in Leaf Land
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they're losing their minds, but from what I understand, they love when things are bad in Toronto
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they're weird over there. Um So I'm sure our Maple Leafs writers are having uh are getting real good numbers over at the website
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Um uh But no, just honestly, I just running it back with a lot of the same people
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They obviously fired Sheldon Keefe. There's some talk about Mitch Merner. Um But they
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you know, Shanahan, uh Shanahan, we know, obviously, we, we know all about Brendan Shanahan here if we're
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if we're uh if you follow the Red Wings, but um he's standing on as president of hockey operations
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He's been in that role now for all coming up on a decade
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It's like eight years or so. So. Um and really nothing to show for it
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right? Um It's kind of a constant cycle of having a really good team on paper and then can't get out of the first round
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So, um I don't know if I, if I was a maple leafs person
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I'd be very confused by how much they seem to be willing to just stay put and just run it back year after year
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Um, I guess maybe the, the good news there as far as we're concerned is that
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that means the, my police are gonna keep spinning their wheels as the Red Wings are ascending
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So, uh, hey, that, that sounds pretty good if you're uh any team in the Atlantic division
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right? For sure. And that's, that's the thing. I mean, it's, it's
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it's interesting what they're doing. I don't know, like everyone was thinking maybe the front office was gonna get a makeover
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They already did that. Really not last season. They got rid of their GM uh DBA left and
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or got fired and then hired for living. I, how much more can you do
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Except for getting rid of Shanahan, which obviously didn't happen and the coach was the next to go
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So, I, I don't know. And he just signed that extension. Right. And that was kind of weird when he's gone and they just won
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an extension was gonna kick in this next season and he's gone before it even starts
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It's kind of a interesting turn of events, but I gotta get me one of those deals
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Yeah, we'll see where he lands. I don't know. I think Keith probably will get another job somewhere
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It's not like he didn't have success. With the team. Uh, he'll probably end up being somewhere because there are a lot of job openings
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around the league, lots of turnover in the coaching world. So, right
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Evan, uh, over to you, what do you got for a, a good and a bad, well
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the bad today is, uh, I'm not sure if anyone saw, but Alex Lyon caught his hand in the World Championships today against Germany
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which USA still won. So that was my bad. It's, you know
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never a good thing. But, uh, Trey Augustine jumped in there and
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uh, did pretty well. So Red Wings goalies are, uh, holding down the fort there
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hopefully, uh, Lions, ok. You know, those injuries can get scary at times
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But, uh, yeah, you know, both played well and, uh, yeah, that's all
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that's all I got, man. I'm, I'm ready to get to the prospect talk. I'm all excited. Yeah
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that, yeah, we love it. We love it here and that's, I say the draft is coming up
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So I, and the Red Wings are locked in at that 15th spot
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as we mentioned at the beginning of the show. I, well, we'll go with you Evan on this
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I, you know, they are locked in the 15th overall. It's like I say, it's not as high as it usually is for the Red
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Wings in those past few seasons, but it's still a really good pick. How do you feel about that
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Uh, picking outside of the top 10 for the first time since 2016
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which is actually quite a long time ago when we've been, you know, rings have been picking so high and getting some really good prospects
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in the same, uh, you know, in that, that, uh, time. Yeah
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No, I, I'm, I'm actually, this, this draft is kind of like playing into the Red Wings hands because it's actually a
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a very deep defensive draft and, and, you know, I, we think that the Red Wings with their deep defensive prospect core are probably gonna
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go, you know, hopefully a, a big rugged forward. So there's a lot of guys there
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I like at 15. Um Beckett Sene, that's, that's probably my number one choice
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but I also love Berkey Cat, Berkeley cat and if he happens to drop
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which I don't know if he will. Um Yeah, I, I went down the prospect pool last night
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I couldn't sleep, so I jumped on youtube these damn highlights. Oh
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who's next? Uh I mean, there's, there's go, they're, they're gonna get a good player
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I, I believe at 15, a guy that probably, uh, you know
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might, uh it might take maybe just a year or two to even make it to the NHL Michael Branson
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And I, uh comes to mind too, player that I like. But
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um, I think if I had my order for picks right now it's sey um cat and although he won't drop there and
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uh, I like Liam Greentree a lot from Windsor and I think the Wings are very familiar with his game living there so close
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Um, another big rugged forward. So, yeah, the drafts coming up soon
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man, I, I think I'm gonna go to the draft for, uh my other job that I do and
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uh I'm really excited about this one. I think there's gonna get some good picks here
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It good guys here, like I say a lot, there is a lot to go at for the 15th overall pick
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Like you say, the defenseman are, there's so many in this draft and that's been touted for the last couple seasons
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I if, if you are in need of defenseman, this is the draft you want targeted and not get rid of that first round pick
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So, um, yeah, it's gonna be interesting. We'll talk more about the targets in a bit
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Uh Devin. Now, what do you think about this, uh, being 15th overall rather than the familiar
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uh, top 10? Oh, it's a familiar, um, or it's, it's a
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I guess we'll start here. It's, it's a sign of progress, right? Um If you're
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if you've been picking the top 10 for a long time, like the red ones, have you hope to eventually find yourself outside of that
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range? And the Reddings finally do, um, not quite the lowest pick they could have all remaining out
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And this, that's good. The Saint Louis Blues have the 16th pick. So they're the, they're the best non playoff team
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Um, so the Red Wings, uh, have a, still have a top 15 pick that's still really good
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And like has been said, you can kind of expect there's, they're gonna get a really good prospect there
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um, because it does seem like, uh, this is just echoing what Evans said
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it does seem like it's kind of setting up to where there's gonna be a run on defenseman uh in the early part of the
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draft and that's gonna set Detroit up to take a, uh take one of the better forwards in the draft
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Um And there's a lot of names that could be available too. It's a wide range too
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just depending on how things play out. Um And the other part of this too is that the rugs are familiar with this pick
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um, twice in the last, what would that be? Uh, 10 years
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Um They've picked 15th overall, uh 2014, they picked a guy named Dylan Larkin and that worked out pretty well
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And then, uh three years ago in 2021 they traded up to acquire the 15th pick and they selected goaltender Sebastian Ka
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Um And obviously, you know, it's been kind of an up and down thing with Ka
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but right now it's an up and we're very excited about Costa. So, um in theory
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the Red Wings have got their captain and their top center at 15th overall
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15th overall and they got their goalie of the future at 15th overall
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So if you need some sort of assurance that they're gonna get a good player at 15th overall
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let those picks tell the tale. Um There will be talent available there
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Um You don't need to pick in the top 10 to get a difference maker, especially in a draft
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Like, I mean, I don't know how deep beyond the second round it is this year than compared to last
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uh last year. But there is a lot of defenseman and not just in the first round
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but yeah, going into the second as well. So lots of quality
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lots of quantity as too. So we're, we're gonna, we're gonna find out
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I think there's, they're gonna get a really good guy there too. Like I said, we'll talk to specifics in a couple minutes here
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All right, let's go off the rush and I, we're gonna do our little quiz here and I'm gonna quiz you guys on a few
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stats for the Red Wings. Now the season is over and I picked a few that aren't easy
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Uh They're not easy stats that you could just kind of run off. Who's the top scorer
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you know, those ones. But I, so let's see how you guys do. So I'll start with you Evan on this one who had the
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most giveaways on the red list. Oh, yeah, we all know who I'm gonna say
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um, not when you expect, oh, man, boards or defense or just total for the team
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It's everyone. Yeah, for the whole team. Ok. Wow. I'm gonna
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say to bring it, it's not to bring it. It is a forward
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uh, Devin, who, who do you got wasn't a bad guess for sure
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Um, I am gonna say I'm gonna say Patrick Kane, he passes the park a lot
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No, it's not Kane either. It's Dylan Larkin. Oh wow. 4444 giveaways
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Petrie was just behind him with 40. Ok. That, that would have been my uh that's the first thing that runs in my head as
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soon as I hear the giveaway. So he was there. That's what I assumed
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But I looked up the stat, I'm like it's probably Petrie. No, it was a large thing that wasn't good about him
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All right. Next one. I'll, I'll keep it with you, Devin. Um we'll go the other side
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Most takeaways. Mm. Yeah. Um
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Lucas Raymond, you're, you're close because Raymond was in the top five but that's not the leader
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He who you got. Com No, it's not con either. So you had it to bring it as the giveaways
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He's the takeaways. 49 Raymond and Larkin tied for 48. The cat
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So there you go. You're close. Raymond needed one more to get to get into the
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into the first spot and now this one's a fun one. I I wanted to see what this one was but Evan who had the
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most wide shots wide. Why? Oh man, it's
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gotta be a forward. It is a forward. Uh M I'm gonna go to brink it
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You're right. Yeah. The brit 91 shots wide. He missed a lot of nets
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man. I was, I was just gonna say, I, I remember, I remember thinking he needs to hit the net a lot
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So there you go. So it is to bring it. All right
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Devin most shots that hit the post? Oh Wow. Where are you getting these stats from
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Where are you getting these stats from nhl.com Stats Mills? Ok. Ok
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Uh Who had to post the most? Um I didn't even know they tracked that stat just saying
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Yeah, that's my ass. I didn't know either. Uh David Perron. No
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OK. He, what do you have to bring it again to bring it again
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Yeah. Ok. 99 shots at the man, he could have had a lot more goals with his shots with JT and
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I was, I was just gonna say it's not that Dort didn't shoot the puck if they didn't shoot the puck on target
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which a shot hit the post, which is technically wide because he didn't know a shot on goal
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All right. Final one for this round. I Evan who had the most hits the most hits
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Yeah. Mm Cider
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Yeah. Yeah. Cider 211. Oh you, I guess as well. All right
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you guys did pretty well. I think, uh, first two kind of or close uh
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with guys. So there you go. We'll see what the next, next round after
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in the final round. We'll see what you guys, how you guys do that? My brains crash now
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man, I'm not gonna make it to the next round. I've got a buffering screen going on right now
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All right, let's stay on the draft here and talk about, I know Evan, you talked about a bit about some targets that you want
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the Red Wings to kind of look at. So I'll start with you Devin on this uh who would you like or who or what
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I mean, you don't have to specifically say players but positions I should it be best player available and when they get to that point
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or should they be looking at some needs. Um, I mean, obviously it's probably gonna be a defenseman because there's gonna be quite a few
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there. But, uh, what do you think about this? I do think that the Red Wings are now kind of pivoting in the rebuild to
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a point where, um, under the right circumstances, they can address team need versus best
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best player available. Now, that being said, I do think that BP A is
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should still be their guiding compass. Um Don't, you know, pass up on like a really good prospect just because you need a winger or
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whatever. Um If they end up, if you know, if, if a really
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really good defenseman is there, even though they don't need any more, take them because you can figure that out later
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Um That being said, uh I liked, I liked Evan's call out a little bit earlier
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I do think they could use a little bit of ruggedness on the wing on the wing specifically too
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Um Some size would be really nice. Um I mean, really kind of everything that they've been getting on the blue line in terms of
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size, skill, um compete level. I'd like to see that in a winger really
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Um Now that being said, I don't think, um I'm, I'm dead set on that
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but I do think that a winger would be my, my preference going into the draft if I'm Steve Aizenman
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Um They've gone center the last two, the last two drafts in the first round with Casper and Danielson
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They got a sending Plica last year um loads of more defense men
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I, it just seems they haven't, they haven't drafted a winger in the first round since Lucas Raymond in uh 2020 that worked out pretty
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well. But now you look in the prospect pool and there's like one or two wingers that you can kind of go all right
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They, they, they'll, they'll be a player and then it really thins out after that. So
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um they could really use some help on the wing, um, players that I have in mind
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Um I won't go too in depth on this because I'm sure we'll have plenty of time to really get into this uh between now
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and the draft. But um just a couple of guys that kind of stand out to me would be
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um uh Liam Greentree is, is when a guy is a guy that stands out to me
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I like him a lot actually. Um he might be my guy right now
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Uh Michael Branstad Nygaard, I think fits a lot of what the Red Wings like to do
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Um Just in general, I think he also fits kind of checks a few boxes
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Um For me, uh cast heus is another one. I don't know if he's gonna be there
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but if he is, I think he's kind of a, uh I think he'd be a slam dunk for me
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I like his game a lot. Um, and then the last one
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I'll throw out another one that I don't know if he's gonna be there, but if he is there
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I'd at least like to see them consider Cole Eiserman. Not just because how fun it would be to hear Steve Aizenman call Cole Eiserman
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his name. Um, but also because I think Eisenman checks a lot of my personal boxes of what I'd like to see the Red Wings
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do in the first round. Um, he's a, he's a, uh, he's a bona fide goal scorer
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He's kind of a boomer bus prospect, but I'd love to see the Red Wings kind of go for the home run swing
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They haven't really done that in recent years. So I think if Eisenman's there
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he really picks that box. Um Yeah, I mean, there's a lot more about there
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there's a lot of other guys that, that they should consider. Um I'm sure Adam's about to name off a few more of them
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Um, there's, there's a lot of talent that's, uh a lot of forward talent that should be available to them
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Um, on their, um, when it's their turn to pick. Yeah, I mean
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they could go for defenseman again. I mean, if there's one, like you say
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I, you know, it drops and they're like, oh, we were, you should really go for him
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I mean, even if you don't need him to per se, you could trade him or trade someone away i in the
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in the future to address other needs. Right. There's always that possibility
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But I do like, you know, I think it was Evan, you'd mentioned Berkeley Canton
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Uh I don't think he'll drop to 15 if he does definitely take him
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he could. I mean, because of his size, I mean, that's, that's the only real knock on the guy
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I, and then you got like Cole Aizenman, I think from his performance at the U eighteens
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I feel he's probably gonna be picked in towards that 10th spot
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Maybe. I mean, I thought he was gonna drop, but he kind of boosted his stock again after his performance at the
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at the U A. So, yeah, I, I don't know. There's lots of good guys though
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Uh Evan, who you got to kind of add to that list. Well
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it, it were up to me. It, it would be Beckett Sene. I, I really like this guy's play
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I think he looks like what uh a lot of scouts and a lot of people in the NHL thought uh Kirby Doc would look
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like if he could, Kirby Doc could stay healthy. Um This kid's a little wiry but his
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his skill is his skills elite. Um I really like him as a player
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Uh Again, Berkeley Cadden. Uh I don't know if he's gonna make it
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I watched a lot of tape on him last night though. He, he's not a guy that's gonna go all out defensively for you
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Um, so already, we've already had that issue on this team and you can't deny his skill
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I just, I don't, II, I could see him going a lot earlier. Um Michael Branson Nygard
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It's interesting. He's got, he's got a really funky skating motion. He, he kind of like
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he hunches over and it, he, he's got a great shot. I, I think he's a good goal scorer but he's
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I don't think he's gonna create a lot of his own plays. And um I
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I just don't see that speed burst with him. That makes him, he, he looks like uh uh possibly a third line scoring depth winger
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to me. But um he, he's, he does have a hell of a shot. I'll say that
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But uh yeah, um Trevor Connolly is gonna be another interesting one
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There's a lot of people, you know, uh had some issues in the past
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you know, the some bad social media posts that were, you know
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of course caught. I'm not gonna go into the details but uh on top of that
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he uh you know, in this, the gold medal game versus Canada last week
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he took a really terrible penalty in the third period. A really bad one. It was a headshot there uh literally costs USA uh gold
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medal. So I I'm, I'm thinking, you know, he could be a guy that drops uh in this draft
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I mean, I, you can't deny his talent though. II, I think he has like top five talent in this draft
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Uh, these interviews, uh, coming up are going to be very important for him
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But he's another guy, like I, I think if he interviews well, he could
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he could be a real steal too. But II, I don't see that as the kind of guy eman might go for but
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uh, they're gonna have some good people to pick from. It's, it's uh they're gonna get a quality player here
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Uh And I really hope they don't trade that pick. But uh we'll see
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man. I, I'm excited for the draft. This is my favorite time of the year. Yeah
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we, we all love it there at the hockey writer. We've got lots of stuff going on
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I lots of profiles, lots of. So if you want to take a look at any of those players that we just mentioned
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we have profiles on all of them already on the website. So I dive in and we'll also be doing target pieces and our normal
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stuff. Uh Red Wings centric too. So, yeah, lots of fun stuff coming up uh for the draft
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but you mentioned trades uh Evan and I mean, we've asked this on the show before
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uh but now that we've gotten some time and you know, where the Red Wings are uh related to where they finished in the standings
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and all that stuff. Um, Devin, would you trade this pick? Uh
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even if, you know, they don't really, I mean, technically they don't really need to need to have it
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um, where they are on the rebuild, but it would be good to still add to that prospect pool
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Now, not necessarily trading for a player, they could trade up, trade down
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um, as he did with Ka, right. You mentioned that, um would
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would you move this pick? I mean, lots of, lots of ways to do it
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but would you do it open to it? Um I think it depends on a lot of factors
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right? Um I think the thing I would be most open to honestly is trading down
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not up but down. Um And that would be based on what the board looks like
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Um As it's kind of approaching Detroit's pick, we talk about how there's gonna be a run on defenseman and there might be some forwards
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that are falling and it's, and revs might be uh able to and I have some just let fall in their lap
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Um That might present an opportunity where they can trade back a few spots
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add additional, um, draft picks or whatever. Um And then still get a guy because there's just enough that have fallen that
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they're able to, you know, kind of pass up on a few of them and still get one that you feel really good about
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Um I don't think they need to trade back. Like, I don't think they should trade back super far
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but if the right opportunity is there, I would certainly explore it
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Um, the next thing I would, I trading up, I don't think necessarily makes sense
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Um, unless they really love a guy and if Eisenman really loves a guy
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I'm inclined to trust his judgment. I would, if there's one guy I think that they would trade up for
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Honestly, it's Shay Bloom's brother uh Z um just to unite them
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right? Um But I think that what it would take to trade up to get him would is probably a little too much and maybe
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doesn't make, make sense, especially considering what uh Detroit's prospect pool looks like
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Um So I don't, I think that's the least likely thing. Um But then also
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and, and we're gonna talk about this a lot throughout the summer. Uh The reins do have holes to fill and the free agent
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free agent class is, it's not weak, but it's also not exactly overflowing with the type of guys the wings need to go and get
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um we talk about how they need to address their goaltending situation
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Um If they're gonna get a guy that like is gonna actually address that need
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they probably need to give up a premium asset to do. So, and I think that the 15th pick is one that they can um
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they can rationalize depending on who they're getting. Um So, I guess my answer there is
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I'm open to it under the right circumstance. Um, I think the
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the best situation they can find themselves in is that they don't have to move that pick
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They obviously don't have to move that pick. Um, but they can just be fine with taking whoever is there at 15
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they are gonna have a lot of options to them, like we've already said. Um, but they can give themselves even more options by really
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just exploring the trade market. True. And problem is this year, it's unlike last year
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which they did use their, a lot of their picks, but they had a lot of second round picks last year
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They could have used to trade, they only have one, their original one this year and really they don't have a ton of draft picks
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like they've usually done in the past where they were like so many because they've traded a bunch at the deadline and
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or traded to get them. Um, they only have, well, they have only an extra one is the seventh round which a new Jersey Devils
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pick in the seventh. Uh, they have the Dallas Stars pick in the fourth
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They traded their fourth round pick, um their own. So they really only have two picks in one round
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Uh The rest of them are just one so they don't have a lot of draft capital to trade
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to add on to that. First round pick to say, to entice a team in that top echelon to gun and say
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OK, we will move down. So yeah, it'll be interesting to see if they can move up if they want to move up
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Uh Evan, what do you think about this? Do you, do you trade it? Uh the pick
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I'm not, I mean, I think the quality of players, the guys I just discussed
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you can tell I'm a fan of and again, II, I think this draft is
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you know, I, I think it's a little deeper uh for the forward side, especially after coming with the defenseman run
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that's gonna happen. So II, I think, you know, the rows are gonna get a quality asset at 15 II
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I really do and you know, you, you, you're gonna need younger guys now and El CS eventually in the next couple of years
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So uh I think they're gonna keep that pick. Yeah, especially if some of these guys that I mentioned fall like if Berkeley cat and
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fall or I, I still think Beckett Sene, I think he's going to be one of the guys that's taken earlier than we expect
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Uh I really, really like his game. Like I said, uh Devin mentioned cons heus another guy that would be great if he dropped
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but I don't see it, just don't see it happening. Uh Boom's probably why I is gonna probably be a pipe dream
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but he'd be great too. I mean, there's just, I think there's gonna be a lot of options. I don't think anyone really yet can
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tell how this draft is gonna play out, especially, uh, you know, after the first three or four picks
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But, um, you know, the, the Red Wings are gonna get a good player here. I'm very confident of that and
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uh, II, I think they keep that pick and I, I inclined to agree
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I think, I think that's something they're, they're not gonna be trading it. I mean, Eisenman hasn't traded away
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I, he's acquired more and that's what he's usually doing. Uh, and
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you know, last year and, you know, had the two or not last year
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but the year before they had, it was the year before he had two first rounders
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um, and ended up getting uh axel sounding peli and it's a
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you know, and Nate Danielson in that same draft. So lots of
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he's not gonna have that. I don't think he trades it away. I think he won't keep it or like
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move down maybe, um if, if something happens where they're like, oh
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we can still get the guy down there and maybe gain something in the process too
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So we'll see, we'll see what happens with Eisenman and we never really know what he want
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what he does. So never gonna really expect it. All right, final off the rush
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final round of our uh fun quiz here and I'll start with you
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Evan. Three players played all 82 games this season. Who were they
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Mhm. Cider. Yeah, Raymond. Yep. And
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to break it to bring it. Yeah. There you go. Got all three
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Nice, nice. You owe me Devin. Next I Devon most drawn
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penalties. See Evan just aced that first question and now here I am the tape
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I have no clue on this one man. Um, drew the most penalties
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Yeah. Lucas Raymond. Yeah. Yeah
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40 he drew 42. We're doing much better than last year. I will stay on the penalty track
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I Evan who took the most minor penalties? Oh, darn it. Uh I
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say Ross Ross Mason. No, the defenseman, uh who took the most penalties and they were a defenseman
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minor penalties, minor penalties and not included majors and whatever it has to be
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Cider. Right? Not cider. Well, Jake Waldman. No, no. Ok. Ben
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Shara. Right. Ok. Ok. 28 minor penalties. That's crazy. All right. Who
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who had the most power play goals? Evan, I'll start with you
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Uh Raymond. No. Really? Larkin. Larkin. Yeah. 14 power
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play goals, right? Last one. I, I'll, I'll go to Devon who had the most
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who had penalty shots this season. So there were three players who had penalty shots and one had two
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So bonus if you can name the person that had the two but three guys had penalty shots who
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had penalty shots this year. I know one of them. Jake. Wal
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Jake. W Yeah. Ok. Ok. I don't, I don't think he was the one with two
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Not the one with two. Um, was Larkin one of them
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No, no. Ok. No, it's not the normal guys you'd expect. Yeah
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Is Christian Fisher? No, no, for sure. Edit this out too. We
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we didn't do 1/5 question actually. Who is? Ok. Sprong. Yeah. Strong wall
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Those are the guys that had the one and they score, they scored on them
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This guy didn't score and he had two of them. Larkin, no
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Andrew Copp and he didn't score. Oh, no, he's just a guy
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dude. No, I wanted to retroactively give Andrew Copp the, just a guy award
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Just a guy, dude. I was surprised that, that, that they had that many players have apparently shot
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So literally all I could think of was Kane's penalty or uh uh a shootout thing
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Yeah. Yeah. And that's obviously different. All bonus one just to finish
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I, who had the most game winners? I was surprised about this because he didn't play all season
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Was it can. Yeah. Yeah, Kane at seven, I didn't realize that that many game winners
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Good thing. You didn't give the good clue away. Yeah. Well, I did give a clue who didn't play all Yeah
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that was, that was actually making us look good. It's OK. All right
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All right. Well, that was fun. Um We'll, we'll have a few more
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I may do this throughout the off season because it's fun to kind of look up some of these obscure stats and look
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get more NHL edge again. Maybe we hit the post the most
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Good Lord. I was, that was a fun one. All right. Uh Well
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we'll, uh we'll keep talking draft before the draft. We'll be doing that almost every week
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maybe. Um Talking about the draft is that and then free agency is right after that
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So we'll, we'll be talking lots of it. Um But thanks Evan, thanks Devin for another show here uh on the Grind line
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Make sure check it out. All of our articles, talk.com lots of off season content coming up
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Some of it's already come out uh and lots of draft content too
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check out the Hawk Grays website because we got a ton of it already
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Uh with our draft guide out, we've got like prospect profiles. We got close to
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I think it's getting close to 100 uh with the draft profile
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