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That's not going to be so easy. I don't
0:02
understand why people think Keith is
0:04
like a stepping stone to to catapult
0:06
their career, man. He He called one time
0:09
for a reason. Look, 22 knockouts, man. I
0:11
want to ask you about Terrence Crawford.
0:14
Nobody seem to want to fight Terrence
0:16
Crawford, bro. So, this is a two-part
0:18
question. Why not call out Terrence
0:20
Crawford? Who to me right now, he's the
0:23
pound-for-pound, you know,
0:26
uh that's the first part of the
0:27
question. What do you think about his
0:28
fighting technique, his skill set? Do
0:31
you think he is great as people say he
0:32
is? And then I want to ask you about his
0:34
$10 million lawsuit against Bob Arum and
0:37
the politics of boxing, you know, and
0:39
what your experience has been like. So,
0:41
let's start with his skill set. Why Why
0:43
not call out Terrence?
0:45
No, I love Terrence. Uh we were in the
0:48
uh we were in talks with Bob last year.
0:51
Uh
0:51
Bob just came to the table and tried to
0:53
give me a paycheck that I made 6 years
0:55
ago, you know? So,
0:58
uh at the end of the day, he didn't want
0:59
to put no respect on the name. He didn't
1:01
want to do the right thing and write up
1:03
a contract. Uh he he wasn't even talking
1:05
to my real manager.
1:07
Uh so, there was just a lot of BS in
1:09
there going on. All he wanted to do was
1:11
act like he was on the phone with
1:13
Thurman so he can go back to Crawford
1:15
and say, "See, I tried to get you to
1:16
fight. They won't negotiate. Can't get
1:19
you to fight. We got to move on to the
1:20
next one, you know?" Uh
1:22
so, at the end of the day,
1:25
uh
1:26
if if the contract would have been
1:28
written,
1:29
if they would have put some respect on
1:30
my name and gave me a respectable
1:33
uh purse because Crawford,
1:36
you know,
1:37
tremendous fighter. I remember him from
1:38
the amateurs, you know? Uh
1:41
I'm I'm amazed to see what he's done as
1:43
a pro. Uh he has the skills and the
1:45
talent to move up into the welterweight
1:47
division like very few fighters trying
1:49
to dominate the welterweight division
1:51
like very few fighters from lower
1:53
divisions have in the past. Um but he's
1:55
very talented, Southpaw, right-handed.
1:58
Um, he's got he's got legs.
2:01
He's got hands. You know, he's got an
2:03
IQ. He's got every everything that I
2:05
that I expect him to have, you know, so
2:08
uh, he he's a tremendous fighter.
2:10
Okay.
2:11
But,
2:12
uh, he hasn't faced, you know, uh,
2:14
certain opposition that, you know, to me
2:18
just doesn't really give him
2:19
pound-for-pound quite yet. Um, we love
2:23
his performance.
2:24
Shawn Porter's fight? Like, you know,
2:26
you fought Porter. We we were at the
2:27
fight when you fought Porter.
2:29
But, first off, watch the watch the
2:30
fight without listening to anybody from
2:32
ESPN, cuz all they do is blow smoke uh,
2:34
uh,
2:35
through through the network, okay? All
2:37
they do is blow smoke. They said that
2:39
Shawn That's the best performance Shawn
2:40
Porter ever had. False. I think the best
2:43
performance was not against me. I think
2:45
it was up against Errol Spence Jr. Um, I
2:48
That 12 rounds was 12 rounds of dog. Um,
2:52
his dog was fading after the sixth round
2:54
in that fight. I didn't see the Shawn
2:56
Porter that was really that, um, d o w
2:59
g. So, at the end of the day, um,
3:03
you know, it is what it is. I actually
3:05
predicted the the the punch that was
3:07
going to knock Shawn Porter down in an
3:09
interview. You know, because styles
3:11
makes fights. I know that Shawn comes in
3:13
a lot. Uh, he moves his head down a lot.
3:16
And I said, "If Crawford fights South
3:19
Paw, he's going to drop him with a left
3:20
uppercut." And then, 10th round, he
3:23
drops him with a left uppercut. So, um,
3:26
so, at the end of the day, Crawford did
3:28
what he was supposed to do.
3:30
It wasn't It was impressive because
3:32
nobody stopped Shawn Porter. I'll give
3:34
him that. But, it wasn't impressive
3:37
because
3:39
he didn't do anything impressive before
3:40
the stoppage. You know, um,
3:44
so, the overall
3:46
he ended
3:47
what he did in the end is impressive.
3:51
But,
3:52
you know, he had Porter He had Porter He
3:54
allowed Porter to be in the fight the
3:56
whole fight.
3:57
You know? So, if you allow Errol Spence
3:59
in the fight the whole fight, you allow
4:01
Keith Thurman in the fight the whole
4:02
fight, you really just going to get a
4:03
10th round knockout and everything going
4:05
to be all right?
4:06
Everything going to be all right? You
4:08
know? You let You let Shawn Porter hit
4:10
you with a few overhand rights, you
4:12
know, my right hand's not Shawn
4:14
Porter's. Errol Spence punches harder,
4:16
too. You know, you let us get you, you
4:18
know, in those early rounds, you might
4:21
not even be there in the later rounds.
4:22
So, it's a
4:24
Oh, whoa, whoa. You said You said You
4:25
hear that horse? He's saying that he can
4:27
knock out Crawford. I think he said he
4:28
can knock out one-time Crawford. If he
4:30
does the same thing again
4:31
Look, he's been He's been wobbled a few
4:33
times by some people that aren't even
4:35
big punchers, man. He's coming up from
4:37
the lighter division, you know? I think
4:40
there's there's Power makes everything
4:43
different. Speed makes things different.
4:46
Power makes things different. I see
4:48
Crawford as a speed-power kind of guy,
4:50
not a power-power kind of guy, you know?
4:53
But, when he hits you on the temple,
4:55
when he hits you on the chin, what he
4:56
did to
4:58
um
4:58
my boy Porter, what he did to uh Kell
5:02
Brook, you know, he's shown he's got the
5:05
pop on on his punches. So, I know he can
5:08
I know he can get us too, now. I know
5:11
that it's a double-edged sword in there,
5:12
but I'm just saying he let Shawn take a
5:15
lot of the beginning rounds, and he took
5:17
some punches early on.
5:19
And what he wanted to manifest didn't
5:22
happen till later on. Is he really going
5:24
to be able to do that same kind of
5:25
strategy against other people who also
5:28
beat Shawn Porter, you know? And we're
5:30
not Kell Brook, you know? We We don't
5:32
have broken orbital bones. Uh You hit
5:35
me, you drop me. You see what I do, I
5:37
get up with a smile. You see what I do,
5:39
I get up in your face. You see what I
5:41
do, you know what I'm saying? I don't go
5:43
down and back down. I don't go down and
5:45
back down. I go down and I stand up and
5:48
I rise up, you know?
5:50
One time.
5:50
It's Look, look, but when you're
5:52
different, you're different, Sway, you
5:54
know? And
5:55
and that's just how it is, man. So, I
5:57
love I love the man.
5:59
Uh we we we never liked him on the other
6:02
side of the fence with Bob. He should
6:04
have never resigned that contract and
6:05
got locked up for a few more years.
6:08
Um I'm going to I'm going to switch over
6:09
to the lawsuit right now. I want to
6:11
answer that question.
6:12
Yeah.
6:13
So,
6:14
uh
6:15
I think it's funny.
6:16
Uh I think it's unnecessary. We all know
6:19
Bob's racist, you know? Uh that's just
6:23
Oh, we
6:23
Okay.
6:23
Really? Talk to Floyd. Talk to anybody.
6:26
Everybody. I mean, we all know that, you
6:29
know? I mean, it's Look, man. I'm going
6:32
to I'm going to do it. I didn't want to
6:33
do it, but I'm do it, you know? When
6:36
it's like the NFL, okay? It's like the
6:39
NFL. When when you got white QBs, but
6:43
you got all these brothers working in
6:44
the field, you know what I'm saying? But
6:46
you're still the owner of the team, it
6:48
really all dates back to slavery, you
6:51
know? Uh
6:52
uh that's the That's my last touchdown
6:55
on that. Uh um on that analogy.
6:58
Uh at the end of the day, there's some
7:00
people in this world that come from an
7:03
older mindset that are still polluted
7:07
with old thoughts, okay? I'm not going
7:10
to blame the man as a man.
7:13
I'm not going to give him a crutch of
7:15
his overall generation, but you have to
7:19
understand
7:21
how certain things are. And you got to
7:23
understand the game that you're in,
7:25
right? Let's just just understand the
7:26
game you're in. You know your job, Sway.
7:28
You know the game you're in, right? So,
7:30
you got to understand the game that
7:31
you're in as a fighter. And Bob Arum is
7:35
Bob Arum, an old, white, Jew.
7:38
Period.
7:39
You know? Those are factual. It's not
7:42
anything else, okay? Um he's made lots
7:46
of money off of blacks and Hispanics.
7:49
Facts.
7:50
Um
7:52
you know,
7:53
and if you ever listen to his interviews
7:56
about Terence Crawford, you're making
7:59
Well, he claims he never He wasn't even
8:00
making money. He claimed he was losing
8:02
money off the boy. He said the boy was
8:05
making him lose money and he never put
8:07
any respect on the man's name. Now, I
8:09
don't know if that's the type of manager
8:11
promoter that I'd want to be with for 6
8:13
to 8 years or however long that man
8:15
worked with that man, you know, um
8:17
But now with that said,
8:19
now that said, Terence, bro, you was
8:22
getting like 3.5 million to fight Jeff
8:25
Horn. You were getting like
8:27
you know, good money, bro. You You still
8:30
in Omaha, Nebraska, like you was getting
8:31
paid, bro. You was getting paid to
8:33
fight, you know,
8:35
mid upper mid-tier fighters. You weren't
8:38
even thrown in the fire in the dungeon.
8:40
You weren't getting the dragons, you
8:42
know,
8:43
um
8:44
the lions, the tigers, and the bears.
8:46
You
8:47
You You all right, boy. You You good.
8:49
You was doing pretty You You made a name
8:51
off of um
8:53
off of Gamboa because 50 Cent didn't
8:56
know how to manage fighters and he let
8:57
Gamboa fight Terence Crawford. Gamboa
9:00
never belonged in the ring with Terence
9:01
Crawford. Gamboa always like 126 lbs or
9:05
something. 30 lbs. I don't know what
9:07
that Cuban was doing fighting uh Terence
9:09
Crawford, man. But um
9:11
Ironically, he did kind of catch Terence
9:13
with a punch, though,
9:14
you know.
9:15
Yeah, of course. That's what I'm saying.
9:17
Look, and that's a That's a very small
9:19
puncher. Look, I know we've all seen it
9:21
from the past. Punchers are different.
9:24
You You You That's why my name's one
9:26
time, man, because it punching is
9:29
different. You really get hit good one
9:31
time,
9:32
it You don't get to say so. You don't
9:34
get to say so. You don't even get to
9:35
show your heart, your skills, your
9:37
talent. It's nighty night, you know,
9:39
it's over. So, um
9:42
right now, you know, I'm I've been real
9:44
focused. There's certain things that I'm
9:46
working on. I still haven't tapped into
9:48
my overall uh strength strength. I'm uh
9:52
Uh-huh.
9:52
I got I got my strong back, but I'm I'm
9:55
working on my strength for the rest of
9:57
the year, believe that. You know, uh
9:59
Keep.
10:00
And I I want to get back to them to them
10:01
bazookas and to them haymakers and to
10:05
them Hiroshima bomb droppers, you know
10:07
what I'm saying? And so
10:08
his horse. You hear him, man?
10:10
All right.
10:11
I can't wait to Saturday. I want to see
10:12
that Saturday, man.
10:14
I can't
10:14
Well, that's right, man. I'm giving the
10:15
people what they want, man. It's coming
10:17
Saturday night pay-per-view, believe
10:18
that.
10:20
Pay-per-view.
10:21
Expecting a knockout Keith, man. I'm
10:23
expecting that one time you healed. It's
10:25
no You have no injuries. You had time to
10:27
heal. So, I should see the best Keith
10:29
The Best Keith Thurman should show up
10:30
Saturday night against this guy that's
10:32
moving up from 140 to 147 at Tank
10:34
stopped. And you you know, you're a
10:36
heavier fighter. I feel like you hit
10:37
harder. So, I mean, it should be a early
10:40
night, man. It should be a early night,
10:41
man. So, I just want to say welcome
10:43
back, Keith. You know what I mean? I'm I
10:44
want to say welcome back, man. And I'm
10:46
happy for you, man. I want to see what's
10:47
next after this, man. I'm dying to see
10:49
what's next after this, man.
10:50
I want to show them I can take these
10:52
punches, too, man. That's what we here
10:54
for. That's why we in Vegas, baby.
10:56
Okay.
10:57
It's time to show off, man. Hey, let's
10:58
take one more call. Uh we got few folks
11:01
on the line. Uh Coach Padman in Vegas.
11:04
He's in Vegas. You wanted to fight,
11:05
coach?
11:07
Probably not, but I will be watching it.
11:09
I don't hang out too much.
11:12
I train a lot of fighters.
11:13
All good. Tuning in. I appreciate the
11:15
support.
11:17
Big up to Shade 45 and Keith
11:22
Okay.
11:23
I wanted to ask you a question.
11:25
Uh he already asked you and you said it
11:27
You said you was going to be stronger,
11:29
which I love to hear because
11:31
in the fight game, you get older and
11:32
these fighters don't work on their
11:35
conditioning with hybrid training.
11:37
So, I applaud you for that and I wanted
11:39
to ask another question.
11:41
Will you be coming to the table with
11:43
better combinations against Barrios?
11:47
Well, definitely, man. You know, with um
11:48
with my left hand uh fully healed,
11:52
well-mended. Shout out to doc in
11:55
California, man. Doc did my did your boy
11:58
right over here, man. It was done on my
12:00
left, but he did your boy right, okay?
12:03
And uh
12:04
and I'm just really happy, man. You
12:05
know, hitting the heavy bag. I thought I
12:07
would never hit the heavy bag again,
12:09
man. Um so many injuries happened on the
12:11
heavy bag. I did buy a lighter heavy
12:13
bag, you know, a puncher like me uh it's
12:16
not good punching a
12:16
200-and-something-pound heavy bag. I'm
12:18
not fighting no man 200 lb. I don't want
12:21
to be punching nothing that weighs 200
12:23
lb. So, I got a lighter heavy bag I'm
12:25
sticking it to. And uh and and it's been
12:27
working nicely for me. You know, we do a
12:29
lot of circuit training. So, your coach,
12:32
you know, I hope you put your boy
12:33
through circuit training. You can up the
12:35
conditioning, but you can up the
12:37
strength at the same time. You know, so
12:39
you got your you get your cardiovascular
12:41
right, and you get your muscles right,
12:44
and and then you combine that back into
12:46
the ring. And that's what I'm hoping to
12:47
do this Saturday night.
12:49
Mhm.
12:50
That's awesome, brother, because most of
12:52
my fighters now
12:53
I do a circuit. I put 12 exercises in it
12:56
and we go to a soccer field. You got
12:58
10-15 minutes to finish one set.
13:01
Everything I do when it comes to
13:03
weights, very light, but everything
13:05
should be the same amount minutes as the
13:07
round. I don't count reps. That's what's
13:10
helping a lot also.
13:12
Yeah, so so I do I do 30-second
13:16
intervals with a 15-second rest and I do
13:19
20-second intervals with a 10-second
13:21
rest, right?
13:22
Yeah, you look like you're
13:23
and there is no 1-minute and there is no
13:25
1-minute rest in between. We go round
13:27
and round and round for about 45 minutes
13:30
or until fighters start falling over and
13:32
they tap out and they can't keep up with
13:34
the champ. But, that's okay cuz they
13:36
they're champions in progress. They got
13:38
room to grow. They got room to grow.
13:40
Coach, thank you, man. You a citizen
13:42
coach. We appreciate you, brother. Thank
13:43
you.
13:44
Thank you, man. Thanks for the love. I
13:45
appreciate it, man.
13:46
All right, Coach Padman out of Vegas.
13:48
Listen, this weekend pay-per-view Fox
13:51
Sports, you could find my man Keith One
13:53
Time Thurman. He's back. Going up
13:56
against Barrios who's no slouch. He's
13:58
only got one loss under his belt. A lot
14:00
of us witnessed him lose to Gervonta
14:03
Davis.
14:04
Um but, he's coming back to prove a
14:06
point. Keith, welcome back.
14:08
Um funniest thing I want to ask you
14:11
about, man, that that you had a very
14:12
popular meme with Steve Willis, the
14:15
referee, looking at you get rocked um by
14:18
Lopez. Did you ever see that one where
14:20
your eyes rolled to the back of your
14:22
head? Um
14:23
did that punch almost put you to sleep?
14:25
And then, what you think about that ref?
14:28
Uh no. So,
14:30
uh what happened was if you go back to
14:32
that round, you'll watch uh you'll watch
14:35
me walk right into a left hook. Now, the
14:38
irony is my right hand was up. It was
14:41
up, but he still found a way to get
14:44
around That's That's the thing about
14:45
them small gloves, man. He found a way
14:47
to get around. I was moving into it.
14:50
Boom goes my chinny chin chin.
14:53
Now, I get rattled.
14:55
In the fight game, we call it bell rung.
14:58
It's like in the Looney Tunes when they
14:59
when they put the bell on them and they
15:00
hit it. Boom.
15:02
Yeah.
15:02
Yeah. So, my bell was rung. So, I did
15:05
what I do best and I was getting on my
15:07
bicycle. So, I was getting I was getting
15:09
on the outside and I'm like,
15:12
"Okay,
15:13
he can't hit me."
15:14
This boy leans forward, throws the
15:16
longest right hand I ever seen. BOOM.
15:19
SNAPS MY HEAD BACK. I see white lights
15:22
above me. I'm like, "Oh, that didn't
15:24
look good, but I'm all right. I'm all
15:26
right. Okay, reset. Let's get Let's get
15:28
some distance between us again." I get
15:30
some distance between us. I say, "He
15:32
can't hit me. He can't hit me." The dude
15:34
does it again.
15:35
BOOM.
15:37
SNAPS MY HEAD BACK.
15:38
I Swear I swear not, man. I know there's
15:41
bright lights above me. I've never seen
15:43
them till that day, okay? I've never
15:45
seen them, all right? He snapped my head
15:47
back. Boom. And referee, luckily for me,
15:51
he was hit me in the nose. This is not a
15:53
knockout location. You can bust it up,
15:55
bloody it up, but it's not a knockout
15:57
location. So, lucky for me, even though
16:00
two beautiful punches came after he
16:02
rattled me on the chin,
16:05
they they didn't they didn't do nothing,
16:08
you know? They didn't do nothing but
16:09
make me look bad and make him look good
16:12
and make the referee look like, "Ain't
16:14
this Thurman all right?"
16:15
"Ain't Thurman all right?"
16:17
You know what I'm saying?
16:19
And and of people say if it was any
16:21
other fighter, a referee would have
16:23
stopped the fight. Now, I understand
16:25
where they're coming from, but go back
16:27
and look at that fight and what you'll
16:28
see is my legs were all right, bro.
16:31
Yeah, yeah, you recovered. I saw the
16:32
fight.
16:33
I was moving. I was still in tune. I was
16:36
getting I was just taking a few punches
16:38
that my mama didn't like back at home,
16:40
you know what I mean? That's all it
16:41
really came down to it. And then once
16:43
with that round finished,
16:45
we brush that off, we give it to him,
16:47
and we get right back to work, and we
16:48
never let that happen again, okay?
16:51
One time.
16:52
Yeah.
16:52
Keep one time, Thurman, man. Hey, man,
16:53
we appreciate you. Thank you for doing
16:55
this episode of Bridge Business. Orris,
16:57
you want to say something in closing?
16:58
Hey, man, I appreciate you, Keith, man.
17:00
Good luck, man. And come back to Bridge
17:02
Business, man, after you win, man. Come
17:04
back to
17:04
All right. Bridge Business so we can
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chop it up.
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Oh, for sure, man. I want to shout out
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Brooklyn, man. I want to shout out
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Flatbush, man. I got so much love. I've
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been at the Barclays many time. I know
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New York loves your boy one time. I
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couldn't make this fight at the
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Barclays. We're back here in Vegas, but
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tune in, man. Y'all ain't going to want
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to miss this comeback. I'm coming back
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hard 147. It's your boy, Keith One Time
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Thurman.
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One time.
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Thank you, man. We appreciate you,
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Keith, man. God bless you. Good to see
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you, man. Tell the
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I love love always. Blessings, man.
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Salute family every time, man. Y'all
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make sure y'all check out that
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pay-per-view fight this Saturday. It's
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going to be off the chain. Fox Sports,
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make sure you watch it.
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