Mr. Choc Reflects on 30 Years of LA Hip-Hop Legacy 🎧 | SWAY’S UNIVERSE

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Yeah, man. Give it up, man. One and
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only, the legendary Mr. Chock just came
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out of the mix. LA's finest citizens.
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I've known this man for 30 plus years.
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30 plus.
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30 plus. I watched him as a a little Mr.
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Chalk.
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Yeah. Yeah. Young young Chalk.
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Young Chalk. Chock. Become Big Chuck.
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But thank you for that guest appearance
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today. Give it up for Mr. Chalk one more
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time.
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I told you earlier, Sway, if I see the
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the the bat signal in the air, I'm
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coming, man. You know what I'm saying?
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And I know we've been trying to make
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this happen for a minute, but I'm very
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very grateful for you having me up here
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this morning. Thank you so much, sir.
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Well, it's important, man. You're
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important to the fabric uh the history
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of the LA uh music scene, radio scene,
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DJ scene.
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You know, you're an educator as well. Uh
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you you you've been ushering young
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artists, young creatives into the field
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of DJing
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and and then teaching life lessons
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through that. You know what I mean? And
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so it's it's only right that we bring
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you on this show.
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Being back here in Cali has been a
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wonderful experience.
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Yeah. Welcome back, man.
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Thank you, man. I appreciate it.
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I missed you, man. I see you on the
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screen all the time and I'm like, man, I
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know that brother right there. We we
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we've been in the trenches together.
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We've been in the trenches, Ch. Come on,
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man. And thank you. Love you, too. All
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right. And uh you can turn that music
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down a little for me. Um, um, Tyler, um,
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I just want folks to know I I like to
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repeat history because, as you see,
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we're in an era where people are trying
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to
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erase it.
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Erase history.
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And you and I, we met in the '9s, the
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early 90s during a golden era of Today
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is National Radio.
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We're celebrating National Radio Day.
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You know, I I don't even remember some
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of these these days becoming like
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special celebration events, whatever.
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So, I I didn't know it was National
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Radio Day.
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It's National Radio Day. Uh, shout a
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shout out to Greg Street who checked in
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with me earlier. Gregomie, one of the
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legends, right? One of the people who's
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been doing this longer than us.
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Yep. Yep.
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Is Greg Street.
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Legendary. What up, Greg?
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We came on the show came on radio 1990,
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King Tech and I up in the Bay,
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right? And was at a time when what we
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would what we all do today, Chock,
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wasn't really allowed on mainstream
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radio, right?
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Not at all. I mean, think about it like
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like where everything was at. like you
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started off with a specialty show, a
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specialy underground hip-hop show. Same
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thing with me. Started with underground
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specialty mix mix show on on commercial
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radio. So to see it,
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so to have those shows propel us to
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where we're at today in this day and
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age, man, I'm I mean, I'm grateful, man.
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That's all I can really say. I'm so
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grateful.
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And for those who don't understand what
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a specialty show, what follows?
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Yes.
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What what the description of a specialty
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show would be something
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something it's just like a mix show
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that's outside of the regular format of
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radio. So you hear like regular rotation
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some some of the same songs all day
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especially mix show is something that
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like you get like an artist or or a
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personality gets like two or three hours
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to do what they want to do. Sometimes
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they have rules but with us on the
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underground mix show uh we didn't have
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any rules as far we could play with
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whatever we wanted which was dope. What
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I loved about you know having a an
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underground mix show you know specialy
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show.
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You and C minus used to do a show.
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Yes. um myself, C minus, Trulliad, and
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JRock. We actually just did a Fantastic
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4 reunion at Rhyme Fest this past
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weekend, and uh we hadn't been, you
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know, we had done a couple of reunions
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before on Adventures of Stereo, which is
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JRock's radio show. Uh but that was our
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first official like uh reunion like in
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front of the people since like we had
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left Power 106 in
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' 06.
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In ' 06. And so the people haven't seen
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you two together in you four together in
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19 years.
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Yeah. 19 years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it
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it was good, man. We had Psycho Le from
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the Beats come out with us also too,
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man. We were well very wellreceived,
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man. Shout out to Scooby runs LA and and
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all the whole Ryfest family over there,
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man. Rhyfest was amazing.
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Congratulations to Rhyme Fest. That's
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that's that's LA's
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that's LA.
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That's LA's right there.
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Right there, just so you know. And then
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um and they do excellent work over there
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at Rhyme Fest.
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Oh yeah.
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Um and so what was the name of the was
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the Fantastic Four?
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Friday Night Flavors with the Fantastic
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Four. Yes. Baker Boy started on Friday
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Night Flavors in '93 and then they
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brought us on around 9798 and then we
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took over our and called ourselves the
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Fantastic Four myself JRock Truly C
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minus and uh yeah it was fantastic
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4. Now, if you go back to 93, 94, 95,
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there was an explosion in LA radio. I
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know we came down um 94 King Tech and I
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came down um with the 7:00 bomb and we
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were doing the wakeup show. Yeah.
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And we had another show called Digging
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in the Crates that we used to do on
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Sundays. But then you had the likes of
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Mike Nardone.
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Oh yeah. King M.
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King.
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In fact, let me say something about
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those two brothers right there. Before I
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got on Power 106, my first time being on
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LA radio was on the joint. I was a guest
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DJ on their show like in '94.
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You know what I'm saying? And we
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officially got hired at Power 106 in
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'95. Okay.
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But 94 my first time being on LA radio
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was on the joint with King M and Mike
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Nardone. Shout out to those brothers.
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And that was on 92.3 to beat. Yes, it
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was. So you had two anchor stations in
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our genres which was 92.3 to beat and
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Power 105, right? Power 106.
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Power 106. I'm sorry. I'm thinking New
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York by coastal
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track 105. I know what it is, man. I got
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you. I got you. Swag. You know, Heather,
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I've been a lot of, you know, a lot of
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markets. HP, a lot of markets.
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It all It all becomes a blur after a
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while. You know what I'm saying? Sway's
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been doing this for a long time.
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No, but I, you know, and and and in that
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even though it was the natural
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competitive spirit that comes along with
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the culture,
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we all contributed in ascending the
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culture to heights it had never seen. We
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created an ecosystem where people would
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go by Friday night flavors, they'll go
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by the joint, they'll go by uh they'll
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go by uh Ruthless Radio. Um they'll come
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by the wake up show
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Divine Forces.
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Divine Forces, you know, um who you know
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and and even though we were on opposite
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sides of the fence,
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we all worked together in creating a
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magnificent bubble.
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Yeah. Yeah. Right.
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You know what's funny, man? back when we
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were back in our day when we were doing
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radio and you were on 92.3 the beat and
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I was on Power 106. People used to
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always think that oh they don't like
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each other man cuz they're on different
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radio said no it was just call letters
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man like we we've known each other and
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respected each other for for years
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before we even got on radio. So you know
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like just because we have call letters
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with different stations didn't mean that
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we were at war with each other and
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nothing like that at all man. We have
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much much respect for for everybody
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that's doing this no matter what station
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you're on. You know what I'm saying? Cuz
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those call letters will go away and we
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still got to be homies after that.
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We still got to be homies man. Elements.
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Um, remember Elements? It was a lot of
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clubs that used to um Unity.
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Unity.
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Oh, man. Water the Bush.
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I mean, I could go on and on and on,
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man. But there's a lot of legendary
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clubs that happen, a lot of legendary
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functions that happened here in Los
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Angeles before hip-hop.
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Yeah. And And so is um now that you fast
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forward 2025, you have the school that
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you're doing. And if people want to
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look, if you want to get involved in the
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culture, best way to me to go is through
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DJ culture. It's a great way to learn
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about the culture because through the
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music and um you're going to learn about
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the history, right?
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Yeah. Yeah. We're going to give you the
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brief history. We're going to show you
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about music theory. Uh and just show you
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the right way. We start people off on
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vinyl before you actually even get a
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chance to transition to the computer.
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So, a lot of people think that I just
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want to be on the we want to be a DJ and
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think this is about having the computer
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in front of them. No, no, not at all.
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We're going to show you how we came up
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the same way we came. We're selftaught.
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So, we learned on vinyl first before
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Sorado got even introduced. But why is
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that important that people
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because because there's certain things
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that will definitely like you could
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start becoming dependent on when you're
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on sorado. So you'll become a screen
7:33
watcher. You're not really using your
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ears. And when you're DJing, you're
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supposed to be using your ears, not your
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eyes. You know what I'm saying? Of
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course, you're going to use your eyes to
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do like things like on the mixer on on
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records and stuff, but when you're using
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your ears, you're supposed that will
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help you follow when you're doing a
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transition or whatever. It gets your
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timing better. Starting off on vinyl
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first is very very important when you
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want to become a DJ. For sure. you that
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have the and and if you got kids who got
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ADHD or you know have problems finding
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hobbies or um just you know got a lot of
8:02
energy learning how to DJ
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it's a great way to teach your child how
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to focus.
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Oh yeah.
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And the skills you learn through DJing
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transcends in other uh sections of
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society.
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For sure. It teaches you discipline
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because like you you want to learn how
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to do a certain technique, you got to
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put the time in. You got to put the work
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in. You got to be dedicated to putting
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that time in too. can't get lazy like I
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can't get it and just give up. No, the
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thing is like you want to learn how to
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DJ, you have to be really dedicated to
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practicing and putting in the time.
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What do you think one of the biggest
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milestone moments for you in your career
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and and for the beat junkies as a
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collective has been?
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I mean, we've had a lot of lot of wins,
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man. I I I can't really put put it to
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point my finger to one thing. I mean, we
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have multiple businesses now. We got a
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pizza place in Redlands called Made from
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Scratch, which is Melody Dst Styles over
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there. Okay. and Baboo and and myself
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and and uh JRock and Repatic at the Beat
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Junkie Institute Institute of Sound in
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Glendale. So, you know, like I think
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just, you know, winning all the battles
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back in the day, being on the radio,
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touring with artists and all that. I
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mean, again, a lot of wins, man. I can't
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really I can't really put it on one
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thing like, oh, we you know, but I think
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what we're doing now with again with the
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multiple businesses, the school and the
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pizza place, I think that's definitely a
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big win for us as we get we've become
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elders now. Okay.
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You know, right? We are that man, aren't
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we? I feel like horse went to a party in
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in Glendale with the beat junkies party.
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He horse was there.
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He did. That that was um we do a party
9:24
called uh records on people music RPM
9:26
and we take a a specific album and we
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just break down the history of the
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album. There's certain artists that or
9:31
people that were involved in an album.
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We'll have them come and speak on it and
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like what was the process of of putting
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that album together. We've done it for
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Nas. We did it for um Blue and Exile. Uh
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we did it for Sound Bombing 2. We've
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done it for a bunch of artists and
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that's just a monthly party that we do
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at the school just for the community.
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It's monthly. Yeah. Okay. Where is the
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school and how can people join?
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Glendale, California, 5130 San Fernando
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Road. U beatjunkiesound uh.com is how
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you can sign up to the school.
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Okay.
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Definitely there.
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When we were coming up, you know, um
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Death Row was making its mark, right?
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Uh Funk Dubious was making their mark.
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Cypress Hill was making their mark. The
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Al the Liquid Crew was making their
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mark. You know, it was a lot of marks
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being made in LA.
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Marks were all over the place.
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Yeah. The barber shopping MC's, you
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know, Phil Agony and all of those guys,
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you know, Kondon and Strong Arm Steady.
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All of this stuff was coming up um at
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the same time cementing and and and
10:29
fortifying the LA hip hop scene even
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more so. U which started in the 80s
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obviously, but we were we picked it up
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in the 90s. A lot of us when you look at
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the LA scene now, who are those people
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that make you that make you smile? That
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dilated,
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Jurassic 5, um, Defar Eye, Strong Arm
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Steady. I mean, these are people that
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when we were doing our specialty show,
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um, we're just getting started. So, it
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was very important for us to start
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playing these records. And, you know,
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like we were we were performing with
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them also too on different shows around
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the city. So it was important for us to
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play these records on the radio because
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they weren't getting besides like you
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guys the wake up show and us that those
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only places that were getting played
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here in LA. So seeing those those those
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artists become household names now
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I feel good about that man. I'm very
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proud of all those artists but I'm also
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glad of our contribution to them getting
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to where they're at right now too. And
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when you see what the new artists are
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doing, especially lead leading the way
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being, you know, someone like TDE and
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Kendrick and J and Absole and all these
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guys, for real, for real, all these
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different folks, you know, that are
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really stepping out, Tyler the Creator,
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you know, what are your thoughts on on
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the LA?
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I love it. I love to see where where
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everything is at. You know, I got a
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chance to DJ with Kendrick uh DJ for
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Kendrick for the um what was that? The
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the cipher that he did on BET. So, I did
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that and so I was already like up on
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Kendrick before I did that, but still
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like seeing like all those artists that
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you named it just makes me proud, man.
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I'm just very happy to see the movement
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still going on. What we were doing in
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the '90s definitely I could tell like a
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lot of the artists that are out right
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now were inspired by those artists and
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those household names I just named right
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now. So, to see them like taking it to
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the next level, man, I'm proud. LA baby
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all day.
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LA baby. And then when you think about
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the microphone and you look at um people
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like Bootleg Kev and Shout out and you
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got to shout out DJ Head and Gina View,
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all these these new voices that are now
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stepping in the forefront. Um what do
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you see in them? And then um if you
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could offer something to them as
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I think they're all doing a great job. I
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love what they're doing for the
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community here in Los Angeles and for
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again the artists that are that are not
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getting heard across the country or
12:44
whatever. So what what they're
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contributing to the LA culture right now
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is is needed. It's definitely needed and
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it's appreciated. So I definitely my
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hats off to all those guys. I salute
12:53
everybody and for real I'm just proud to
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see it still going on from what we were
12:57
doing in the '90s and to see them
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inspired from some of that from someone
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people who were listening to Wake Up
13:02
Show and Friday Night Flavors to see
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them take it to the next level where
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it's at right now. I mean, think about
13:06
like if we had all these cameras and
13:08
everything back in the day. Think about
13:09
where all our shows would be at right
13:10
now. You know what I'm saying?
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Oh my gosh. And how about the wake up
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show? We did have cameras.
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Yeah, you did. You did. Yeah, you did.
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You did. You know, it's funny. I was
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watching uh the Biggie uh uh interview a
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couple of days ago when you guys had
13:22
Biggie up and like one of the only shows
13:24
that had Biggie come up and freestyle
13:25
on, man. And that's just what a classic
13:27
moment that was, man. What an amazing
13:29
classic moment that was,
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man. And I look at it and I see the
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younger versions of us and we had no
13:34
idea. No idea
13:35
how classic that moment would become.
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Yeah, but boy is it.
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Boy,
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he talk about it today, man.
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Check it out.
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And what I love about it too,
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oh, there he is right there. Y
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you know what I mean? My man Tekken
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Sway.
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World famous wake up show. You know we
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balling out here in Cali. You know, East
13:53
Coast dawn in the house,
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right?
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You know what I loved about that that
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interview also too with with Biggie was
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that you guys showed him the cough
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button
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and so when he was rapping he was doing
14:05
all his his like he was rapping like he
14:07
he was um muting the the curse words
14:10
himself
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live
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live while he was busting. So yeah
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mouth now ain't nothing changed. I'm
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still the same rapper the cough button.
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Show him the cough the cough button
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right there right button.
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This my right here.
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All right. All right.
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What a professional. Wow.
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At such an early young age, too. He was
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young.
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But play that. I want to hear what he
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did with it. Go ahead. Go ahead. Play.
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Play that.
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Instantly we tre
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comes in.
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I'm flaming aiming at these maniacs. Put
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my name in rap. The game is that like
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you hustle backwards. I smoke backwards
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and duties. You can't touch me. Try to
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rush me. Slugs go touchy touchy. You're
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bleeding lovely with your spirit above
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me or beneath me. Your whole life you
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live sleepy. Now you rest eternally
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sleepy. You burn when you creep me. Rest
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where the worms and the weak be. My nine
15:06
flies baptize rap guys with the Holy
15:09
Ghost. I put holes in most. You hold
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your toes shaky. Slipping trying to
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break me. Look what you made me do.
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Brains blue. My team in the marine blue.
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Six coupe. Ski it out. Weed it out.
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See the mutes?
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Yeah,
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he keeps hitting the cough button.
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Yeah, he kept hitting the cough button.
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We were looking at him while he was
15:29
doing it in awe.
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In awe. Like I cannot believe he was
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doing this. Um,
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but man, what a moment for the moment.
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What a moment for y'all. You know what
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I'm saying? For the wake up show and for
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hip hop period. You know what I'm
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saying? Like like Biggie was one of one.
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And it was just again just going back
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and looking at some of the that old
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footage, man. Just really made me
15:46
appreciate where we come from.
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Yeah, man. You know, where we come from.
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where we come from. Come on, man. Where
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we come from and the fact that we are
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still here. We're still making things.
15:57
We're still creating and it's even more
16:00
fun that we could have more people
16:02
contribute. But salute to some of the
16:05
soldiers that are still holding it
16:07
steady. You got to give Big Boy a big
16:09
round of applause.
16:10
Big boy. Big boy. Big boy.
16:11
That's my brother right there, man. I'm
16:13
so happy for his success. So happy for
16:15
that brother,
16:16
man. how far he's come and to be able to
16:18
sustain through the eras um is something
16:21
to be said. You know, we mentioned Greg
16:23
Street, you know, salute to Greg Street,
16:26
man, and still at the top of his game,
16:28
man. I have to shout out my brother
16:31
Ebro, who I know started early 90s from
16:34
Northern Northern California and still
16:37
like just excelling, you know, all of
16:39
these people we came up with. Um, it's
16:41
just really who did this in the early
16:44
'9s to now is really amazing to see. So
16:48
on National Radio Day, we honor you, Mr.
16:50
Chop.
16:51
We honor you for your contribution. I'm
16:53
so humbled,
16:54
man. Brother, come on, man. Give it up
16:56
for Mr. Chop.
16:57
I am so humbled, man. Again, when I got
16:59
the when I got the call and I was like,
17:00
"A word. Okay." I I think about it, make
17:03
sure my schedule's cool. I said, "You
17:04
know what? I'm no matter what, I'm going
17:05
to clear my schedule. We're going to
17:06
make this happen." This is like the
17:07
third time Cats have called me to come
17:08
up there to do the Sway show. So, I'm
17:10
I'm going this time. Nothing stopping
17:12
me. And here I am. And I didn't even
17:14
know what I was coming up here for.
17:15
You had no idea. You had no idea. That
17:18
That's the beauty of it. But man, I I
17:20
want to tell you I love you.
17:21
I love you, too. You're my brother. And
17:23
you know, King Tech, you got a special
17:24
place in our hearts,
17:26
man. Man, man, always, man. I love all
17:27
y'all, man. And and shout out to Tech,
17:29
man. Again, Tech really helped me get
17:31
like really healthy back in the day like
17:32
in 0405. I used to go and work out with
17:34
him at Big Paul. Rest in peace all the
17:36
time, man. And just like Yeah, just good
17:38
to see y'all. Thank you for the invite.
17:39
Thanks for having me on the show. I'm
17:41
I'm I'm honored and and humbled to be up
17:43
here and a rock out for the world. So,
17:45
shout out to everybody that was
17:46
listening. Shout out to you, Sway. Shout
17:48
out to Heather B, everybody up in here
17:50
on Sway's universe. Man, I appreciate
17:52
and love y'all. Thank y'all.
17:53
Thank you, Mr. Chalk, man. Hey, tell
17:54
them where they can follow you, Mr.
17:55
Chalk.
17:56
Uh, Mr. Chalk, the real Mr. Chalk um on
17:59
IG and u Mr. Chalkan 4 on X. And, uh,
18:02
yeah, I'm on Facebook also, too. Mr.
18:04
Chalk fan page. And, uh, yeah, man.
18:06
Bjunky Institute of Sound in Glendale.
18:07
You want to learn how to DJ, come see
18:09
us. will get you right.
18:10
That's right, man. And he'll be back and
18:12
we going to have some of those students
18:13
come up here and show what they got. Oh,
18:15
yeah. Okay. That's what's up, man.

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