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Watch Miguel’s powerful and heartfelt interview where he opens up about the emotional journey of fatherhood, the creative process behind his new album "CAOS," and the transformative lessons that have shaped his artistry. From catching his son at birth to singing Curtis Mayfield’s "The Makings of You" to calm him, Miguel shares how fatherhood redefined his purpose and inspired a mission to uplift Black and Latino voices in music. 🌍
Discover the stories behind "CAOS," insights into Miguel's cultural roots, and his vision for the next decade of his career, blending vulnerability and resilience. Plus, hear about his creative collaborations, reflections on identity, and how stepping back allowed him to return stronger than ever.
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Miguel Returns
01:59 - Miguel on Fatherhood
12:13 - Directing the “Martyr” Music Video
14:47 - The Making of "You"
17:20 - Overcoming Fear of Return
23:13 - The Role of Silence in Creativity
29:10 - Collaborations in Music
34:33 - Miguel’s Creative CAOS
38:20 - CAOS Album Cover Artwork
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[Applause] career era defining artist.
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Let them know. Prepare them. All I want is you. You took them back to
0:13
2010. He have the beat. That's crazy. That was 2010. Took them back to 2010.
0:19
And it still sound good. That's when you know you got one. I almost got to a point in my career. If
0:24
you ain't put 10 years in, I don't even want to sit down with you. You'd still kind of like that. You could really call that. You could really be
0:30
like, "You know what? N you're not qualified to speak to me. Give me 10.
0:35
You're not qualified to ride. Give me 10.
0:41
You haven't crossed the threshold yet. That's it. Come on, man. Through multiple albums, millions of sales,
0:48
concert tickets, uh brilliant records written, um um amazing music sang, uh
0:55
creative projects played. Um, I I've known this young man for a long time
1:01
before you all knew him. You know, he used to come up to the world famous wakeup show with King Tech and me.
1:06
That's crazy. Shout out to Basics. Shout out to Basic who used to work with us and um Basic used to tell us about
1:14
him and I love telling his story cuz I like keeping the the roots tied together. And to watch this man on big
1:21
stages, whether it's Grammys or seeing him at Billboard or MTV and all of these different things, I know the work he put
1:28
in to get to this point. And the man has, we've been able to watch him grow in the last 15 years. And he barely
1:34
looks like he's 15 years of age. Crazy [ __ ] I don't know what he what he drinking.
1:41
What is he drinking? Not 15. 15. I knew him before he was a father. We're
1:47
always crazy. And now we got that in common, man. It's a trip and I can't wait to celebrate with you,
1:52
brother. It's a trip, right? Give it up for Miguel. Miguel is here.
1:59
What up, man? Back. You back, bro.
2:04
Like, I never No, I never left. I never left. I just I just was taking a moment, taking a second to just get myself
2:10
together. But I'm back in terms of like being out and in front of the camera and all that
2:16
good stuff. So it feels good and it feels it feels even better when you come back and it's like homecoming with your
2:21
home like homies and the big homies and just the loved ones, you know, it's the kind of it's the kind of reception you
2:26
hope for. So you went you you had to go do some life. Oh yeah. Yeah. And uh and one of the things um we
2:34
you did is you you became a father. Yeah. Oh yeah. I'm going to talk about that. Okay. We should we should talk about Um
2:40
because I'm a dad and man, Miguel, I remember the when my daughter was born.
2:46
Were you there when your son was born? I caught him. I caught my son. Oh my god. And you know when they when they ask if
2:52
you want to Well, they ask if you want to cut the umbilical cord. They asked me if they if I wanted to um carry him to
2:58
the weighing station. Man, I just been telling this story is is is one of the
3:03
most impactful moments of my life singing because when he was in the womb,
3:09
I was singing Curtis Mayfield, The Makings of You. Wow. And the moment he they put me in put him
3:16
in my hands and I'm carrying him to the weighing station and he's kind of crying and I start singing The Makings of You
3:22
by Curtis Mayfield. Wow. His eyes opened right up and it was it
3:28
was such a powerful he recognized me and we it just he completely stopped crying
3:33
and he just relaxed. He just relaxed in my hands and I just took him and I placed him on the on the table and
3:39
we've been like this locked in, you know, and just watching him has given me
3:44
so much so much more so has actually given me new faith and new hope.
3:50
Yeah. That I just couldn't have had without him. So yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, man. Did you being becoming a father like mine
3:56
wasn't I It's not like I picked a date on a calendar and said in this year Yeah. I want a child to be born. Right. That
4:03
that didn't happen for you either, right? Yeah. But but but then you realize cuz it's a scary proposition,
4:09
right, initially, but then you realize how much of a huge blessing that it is, right? And then it changes
4:16
everything. They say it, you know. Yeah. And and then when you feel it is it's a it's
4:21
even the understanding of it is life-changing and all those things is you can't really put a put words to the
4:27
way that it completely restructures your beliefs and your pri I mean obviously
4:32
your priorities change but the way that I believe and and hope in the world is
4:40
a way that I couldn't have expected or imagined. Mhm. Um, and the way that I get behind what I
4:47
say and what I do is different now. Yeah. Because it's on his behalf. It's on his behalf.
4:52
How I talk to myself, how I hold myself accountable, all of those things change and the depth and the reason and the
5:00
purpose change. Yeah. Um, in a way I couldn't have imagined. Something happened for me and I ask you
5:07
maybe in similar ways. Um, it my child affected my work. Mhm.
5:12
Right. my work ethic. Mhm. She doesn't even know it, you know. She, you know, but it when she was born,
5:20
I didn't half nothing. You know, um people thought I was a workaholic.
5:26
I was driven um by being a provider
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uh for this human being. And some of this work I was doing, I
5:36
doubted if I should even be doing it anymore, right? Mhm. Especially when you work in radio
5:42
at this time. She was born in '98, 99, 2000 that that area of of radio. And
5:48
it's just I didn't want to perpetuate any negativity, gossip. I didn't want to be a part of
5:54
nothing that the music industry, even the corruption, you know, was surrounding me with. And I
6:00
almost tapped out. And then I had Red Alert come to me, DJ Red Alert, and told me, "You can't
6:07
leave." You can't leave. Yeah. That's That's a red Toby. You can't leave now.
6:13
Yo, he said you you can't leave now. And he said that's more the reason why you need to stay.
6:19
It's for your child. That next year I got hired at MTV, moved to New York
6:24
and the whole nine. I'm I'm curious with this album Chaos cuz your son your child was born during
6:30
the during the making. During the making how did that affect you creatively? Did you did you have to really look at your
6:37
career and your world and go, man, what is this? Am I man? In the in the same way I I was
6:43
tapping out. I think at the I was fighting an uphill battle to find a
6:48
reason and I create because I it I love it and
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I found the creative part that I fell in love with from the beginning in the eightear span. But it wasn't
7:00
until the last, you know, that nine month gap of finding out that I was going to be a father,
7:06
uh, and having him that the album and the drive to actually
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be an artist in the public. I I refound that. Yeah. And and the reason is because
7:20
that accountability made me do the digging on myself and
7:27
really addressing things that I needed to go, oh, now I discover what my next
7:32
10 years is going to be about. It was he was the he was the push. Yeah. You know that I needed to kind of get
7:39
some things together within myself. And in that time, I found, oh, this is about
7:45
to be my mission. I'm gonna spend my next 10 years building a platform for black and brown Latino artists left the
7:52
center like myself who need stories told that that are telling stories that need to be heard
7:58
that didn't get the development like I did that came from s you know I came from San Pedro as you know San Pedro and
8:03
Englewood that come from underserved communities from obscurity who have new
8:09
interesting point of views that give us more humanity that that that cap
8:15
encapsulate the kind of stories and the kind of creativity that bring people together. Okay, that's what's gonna be
8:21
my next 10. I'm gonna spend it doing A, B, and C. And so, it was him getting
8:26
getting finding finding out and really coming to terms with the responsibility
8:34
I needed to to really have with myself that got me to the realization of how I
8:39
was going to approach this next 10 years. And part of that is, you know, building that platform was like, "Okay,
8:45
well then I got to step out and be the artist. I got to do that, too." So, yeah. A big part.
8:51
A big part. Big part of that. Wow. Man, that's deep, Heather. Beautiful. Um, and then, so when you listen to that
8:57
album and now that you told me this mission to bring out these stories of black and brown folks that don't always have the
9:03
ability to do so for whatever reasons, it it explains why we hear you sing so
9:09
much in Spanish, right? that has a lot to do with it. Yeah, absolutely. I I think also just
9:14
just the um tremendous amount of um pride
9:21
and the redefining of my experiences growing up, how I used to I used to look
9:28
back and go, man, it was hard being black and Mexican in LA in the '9s.
9:34
And I think I I used to have such a it was a a hurdle. It was something I
9:40
had to overcome in my memories. And now I think I look at it and I go, "No,
9:45
those are the defining moments. Those are the ones that empowered me, that gave me the resilience, that gave
9:51
me this unique positioning really." Um to be able to speak to both
9:57
cultures and to to speak to both crowds and to kind of hopefully create a new bridge.
10:04
That's the intention is to create a new bridge. Not even not just creatively. definitely creatively, but also
10:10
outwardly um to talk to to a new audience. And I think my parents were
10:16
kind of cutting edge with it. You know what I mean? They were they were ahead of the curve when it when it comes to me, man. They were they were way ahead. And um it
10:23
would be crazy to not really lean into that and and celebrate that in my work.
10:28
Yeah. So, yeah, that's what that's what that's about. What What would a lunchon like look like? Would it be like
10:35
lay out the menu? Would it be like collard greens in a burrito or like listening collard greens? We're getting
10:42
the fried chicken. We're getting the oxtails and the enchilada
10:48
and the chileeno and the you know what I'm saying the the the asada. We're
10:53
getting all of that. We're getting all of that. Yeah, we're getting all that. I like that. I like that. We got DJ Seville. He the LA Dodgers DJ
11:01
coming up. That's what I was looking at. Oh, you think you think Miguel can do the anthem for the World Series? You know, it's interesting. I was going
11:07
to bring up the point. So, every year we have Dia the Day of the Dead. Das Merto.
11:13
And I always play Remember Me when once we once we show either we show our tribute,
11:18
I always play Remember Me. So, every year I'm I'm playing that dope and and somebody always looks over and says
11:24
that's a perfect song. So, I keep that here along with the rest of the bangers. Yeah. Yeah. That's love. That's love. I think we've um we've actually kind of pitched
11:32
that for the uh for this year. We pitched like coming out there for that. I mean, you know, Dodgers, I'm LA
11:37
native. That's our team. Go Dodgers. Go Blue. You know what I'm saying? We we uh we did it that last game. Side
11:43
note, that last game uh one of the best games ever played. That was crazy, right?
11:49
Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. He was there. Yeah, I was there. Oh my god. I mean, history. Yeah, history. It was incredible. I I we
11:57
had to I had to take a minute to say like how big the moment was cuz at first we was working you had to stop yourself
12:02
and say this is a big big moment you ask it was you know what I mean but yeah it was incredible I mean that the pitching and then the
12:08
hitting it is crazy. I'm like oh my god. So yeah we going we going we out of here we out of here. Uh Chaos is the album
12:14
October 23rd. Miguel is hanging out. We played that Martyrs track. Um the video was dope. You directed the
12:21
video? I directed that with MZ Margaret Zang um my partner. So, she's uh she and I kind
12:27
of came up with this this this story line. Actually, it all started because I
12:32
was thinking about where the song where I hear where I see myself and people my audience listening to the song and I was
12:38
like, "This is a headphone in the car banger." So, you know, late night sessions when
12:44
I'm just coming with coming with ideas, I'm, you know, hit the blunt real quick and I'm just kind of
12:49
think about it, close my eyes, and I was like, "No, this video got to be in the car." And so I was like, okay,
12:56
what if I'm driving in all these situations and uh and I'm taking people to their
13:02
destination to because the song is about like taking matters into your own hands.
13:10
Um and so I was like, what if it's not me? What if it's that we're showing people in different circumstances taking
13:18
they're they're voicing and they're taking action on what they believe in. And so then it was like what if it's to
13:24
a rally? What if it's to what if it's press who's trying to cover the story that's being buried,
13:29
i.e. what we're seeing, you know, take place in real time, you know, uh abroad in Gaza and so on and so forth. And so
13:36
many places a lot of stories not being told where there's people put putting their lives on the line to tell the stories and get the word out. Um or if it's
13:44
people who are, you know, rob, you know, taking taking matters in their own hands in a wrong way. all of these ways that
13:50
reflect the times because I think we're seeing stories like you know like the Luigi Manion story and we look at the
13:56
Charlie Kirk story and you go wow vigilanteism is becoming more and more
14:03
common and less and less uh it's it's we're desensitized to it,
14:09
you know, it's less and less abrasive now. It's less and less notable. It's becoming we're we're
14:15
becoming it's normalized. Yeah. Normalized with it. So the video really keys in on sort of that place
14:23
that we're at in time and and just, you know, putting it out front. And so I'm I'm really proud of the video that we
14:29
directed and acted in it. That's a double threat right there. And sang it. Hold up. He sang it. Okay. Okay. All
14:35
right. Okay. It's a double threat. I produce a song, too. So quadruple
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quadruple five. How to say five. So stop there. Sinko threat. Let's go. So two
14:47
single threat single threat to think so two things um I'm still stuck Miguel thank you for
14:53
being here but I'm still stuck on a beautiful story that you shared about the birth of your son and Sway and I
14:59
ironically were talking about when women are carrying children how important the environment needs to be
15:06
around them and the words that are spoken around and you chose to sing this beautiful song
15:11
the making of you which I discovered on the Claudine soundtrack I don't even know like how far back this song goes.
15:18
The Curtis Mayfield song I believe you're referring to from the 70s of you. How how did you discover that song and
15:26
why that song particularly for your son that uh that song's on the soundtrack
15:31
and it's a soundtrack and album um Curtis for Curtis Curtis. Curtis did the soundtrack for um Superfly.
15:39
Um but it's also an album. I believe it's the the whole album is on there but it's that album.
15:44
You ain't got to look it up. We'll look it up. I got to look it up. Okay. Go ahead. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm It's It's a little early in Dad Brain. But um but he
15:51
this album is just one of those ones where you know you you have a few incredible songs on there. Uh Miss Black
15:58
America's on there. Incredible. Incredible song. Miss Black America. Uh
16:03
we thank you Miss I mean um that song um
16:09
um [Music] Pusher Man is on. No pusher. Push her.
16:15
That's I mean iconic songs. Um I'm that [ __ ] in that alley.
16:23
I'm your mama. I'm your dad. Yeah. Yeah. I'm that [ __ ] in the pusher. Yeah.
16:30
Oakland banger. Pusher man. So on that album is the makings of you
16:36
man. That song is I heard that song and it just it put absolutely one of the songs I can
16:43
still listen to from the first time I heard it to now anytime I play it I I get my eyes get
16:49
watery you know I I kind of well up cuz it I and I didn't know the I didn't
16:55
know how significant it would be but when I found out I was going to be a father was the song that I thought of
17:02
first and uh I was like that's the song I'm going to sing to him
17:07
in his in his development all the way through. And so I said I would sing it every day and I did, you know, every day
17:13
I sing that song um along with a couple other songs and um and just see, you know, when he
17:19
was born if he would recognize it, recognize your voice. The other thing um you mentioned about
17:25
taking a minute, just taking a minute to step back. Do you think artists are afraid to do that? Especially, you were
17:31
talking about this business and this industry and how it just feels like if people don't see you sort of, they feel
17:38
like you're not doing anything, but in reality, you you trying to get your [ __ ] together. You're getting your
17:44
life together, your your your family, all of these things. But I think folks are afraid to take a moment to to
17:50
to stop for a second and look back. Um, what are your thoughts on that as well? Were you afraid initially to take that
17:56
moment that you needed? I think it was it wasn't a um a conscious decision at
18:02
the time. It was a I'm just taking the time I need and when it's time I it'll
18:07
be time. And over time I kind of was like do I need to come back? Do I want
18:13
to come back? Wow. The big question was do I really want to come back for this? You know I see your whole team cringe every time
18:20
you say that. You know, I mean, I think Drew was like, and you you I mean, you know, Drew's
18:26
been with me since since day one. Beautiful people that you got around you. Yeah. Yeah. Uh it it became
18:35
it it got real comfortable, you know, it got cozy and it's like, why do I do I was working on music?
18:42
Yeah. But there's so much more that has to happen if you're going to put the music out and you're going to promote it
18:48
and you're going to do, you know, do do the talk about it and then, you know, ask the questions and be taken
18:55
out of context and then do all of the things, you know, that it requires to to the business of music or
19:03
the business of entertainment. um which is a part of of the art you know and making making a living in this in with
19:11
this you know with the art form. So, I didn't I didn't really have the drive to
19:17
be real honest. And um and it wasn't until again, like I said, you know, coming coming to a point
19:23
where I had to start facing myself and and get to the digging of, okay, well, I got to really figure out how I'm going
19:30
to be the best me for him. that I got to uncover some of the some of the
19:37
necessary um avoidances, the things that I was avoiding that gave me that that I
19:43
think are behind a lot of my hesitation in the past and the things that didn't come to fruition in the past that I
19:49
needed to take back the um my value which is really interesting. I think
19:56
over time I started to relate my value with the put the value of myself in the
20:01
hands of my su of my success. So if songs or albums were successful or
20:06
became really successful then I started to correlate my personal value with the success and I needed to take the time to to re
20:15
to take that back really to take it back the making of you. I like the making of me. That's right. That's the next album. That's going to
20:21
be the next EP. Thank you. making a me sharing that very very heartfelt and as you know someone
20:28
who spent time as an artist full time I totally relate to that you know it's a slippery slope to to find success
20:35
um and it's not that I I found I found the dose that I needed to get me right
20:41
and I can see that with clarity now um and so I have a tremendous amount of
20:47
gratitude a trip when you when you can look at things and go oh I See, I see
20:53
how my my what I carry, how it enabled me and how
21:01
it empowered me. And I also see how it kind of helped me, you know, and maybe in a way it was what
21:08
I needed in the time, but let me look at all this that I'm carrying. Do I still need No, I don't need that.
21:15
I definitely need this. I'm going to keep that. Let me get rid of that. Then you put you put that [ __ ] back on. You go, All right. You tighten
21:21
the straps up. Yeah. Like, okay. All right. Okay. Let's go. And that's how that's where I feel, you know? I've
21:28
got new mountains to climb. I've got new Yeah. Yeah. Come on. It's a motivation. Keep going,
21:33
man. I got new mountains to climb. Keep flowing.
21:38
I got new hurdles to jump. Keep flowing, bro. That's right. You know, that's right. New walls to break through, Miguel. Keep
21:45
blowing. New new oceans to travel. new, you know, new new depths to dive to.
21:51
That's right. That's right. All of it. All of those things. New planets to reach, new Wait, hold on one second. Get Get that
21:57
guy's attention. Yeah, this guy right here. Scott, come on. Come say hi to Miguel, the award-winning artist. This is Green.
22:05
What's up, Scott? Grammy award winner Scott Greenstein right here, man. He runs this whole ship and he never gets
22:11
on camera. Scott, he ran out of there.
22:17
Get me out of here now. Thanks, Scott. Scott, I understand. That's why I stayed
22:22
away so long. Yeah. He's ran out of here. Tracy, you're all the way in New York. I know. I know he's one of your favorites.
22:28
Oh my gosh. Going way way way back. My appreciation for Miguel is boundless. I
22:35
remember the very very first time we ever spoke. I want to say this was back in like
22:40
2009 when I was working for Honey Magazine. Yeah. and shirt thing was
22:46
killing it on MySpace and I got in conversation with my Scorpio brother and
22:52
depth was the word. I was like, "Oh my gosh, this guy, whether you're expressing yourself
22:58
through conversation, through the music, of course, through visuals, you just take us through all of these different
23:04
dimensions." And so, it's a really beautiful things to grow with you. Truly, truly, especially now that you
23:11
have um the layer of father added to you and that's another space for you to tap
23:16
in. But what I'm wondering as as a virtuoso, right, in music, you're constantly collecting all of
23:23
these sounds, all of these references, and you know, kind of pinning them on your inspiration board, so to say. But
23:29
I'm wondering like what role does silence have in your process? You're
23:35
always listening. you're always listening even to your own voices. But um whether it is, you know, creating
23:42
distance from distractions or literally like pausing on music to just hear the
23:49
sounds of nature or meditation. What is silence in Miguel's process?
23:56
Oh, I love um I always love I mean, first and foremost, it's been a long time long time. So, thank you. And it's
24:02
our season. Yes, it is. Your birthday's tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow.
24:07
Let's go. Let's go. It's tomorrow. That's wild. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Celebrating.
24:13
Yes. Way. He's tomorrow. I'm the 13th. Tracy's the 17th. Let's go with the the debit card.
24:18
What the hell? Let's go. The gift. Run it up. You got to swipe it up. Run
24:25
it. That's what happens. You know, that's what happens. All right. I got you, Miguel. Wow.
24:34
uh begin and end with Miguel. Right. Listen, the silence that silence is um is where you find I think the artistry,
24:40
you know, I feel you find an artist in the silence. Um I think Miles said that, you know, you
24:46
can hear a real you can hear an artist in where they choose to remove themselves, you know, and the choices in
24:52
the music. And I think the it's the same can be true and said about, you know, taking a pause. Um, I certainly
25:01
found a lot of who I am in in removing and um, man, another one, a cut is worth
25:09
a thousand boosts. That's Dave Siddic, who's a brother and he's on this album as well.
25:14
But it's the same in life, you know, it's like removing things. Um, it can be
25:19
way more effective, I think, than adding the addition and adding and adding and more and more and more. I think removing
25:26
things, distractions, you know, um can can really help give the clarity and it
25:32
certainly helped for me and um that's where I think um you can find
25:39
the purpose of things and how valuable and the weight of things um and use them
25:45
and and and find how how important they are to you and then decipher what is not
25:50
important and what is what is. So, um I don't I don't know if that answered your question.
25:55
It does. Going going away really gave me clarity for sure. And I and and I think you
26:01
asked this too, Heather. It's like I didn't plan on going away and I think it's really hard to go away now. It's
26:08
even harder now. Why you say that? Before it would be you would you can find interviews. I remember finding a
26:14
Charardai interview where they were asking her like you know how do you feel being away for
26:20
so long? and she she says the same thing. This is back when things were much slower and it was expected for
26:25
artists to be away for a year and a half, two years before they came with the album. The process of making an album and releasing
26:31
an album required so much more time and effort because the technology wasn't there. Just the sheer making of music required
26:39
a lot more effort and it it was a it was a more time um intensive process.
26:46
But um but now the demand feels like you're supposed to just
26:51
That's why I asked stay on and be on and keep going and show up and be in the camera. And why haven't you posted?
26:57
Yeah. Where's the pose? Yo, I collaborated with you, Miguel. Why
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you didn't accept it? And yet I understand. I understand. We
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all understand. Yeah. But um but for me, I I I hope I can take
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my moments as needed. But I've kind of
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got in the head space that for the next 10 years, in 10 years, I'll be 50 years old.
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Now, I have the energy. This is the this is a push. So, I intend on being as
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productive and impactful as possible. um with a with this kind of with a
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different kind of intention and um I don't I I can't go away for 8
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years. I don't think I could I will never find the momentum again. Honestly, I know I won't. So,
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right now is me pushing for the ultimate momentum. I haven't I haven't even hit stride. This is like okay, let's go. And it's
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going to be on on on on. So you know um the the things I think that are sustainable now or are that I have
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decided that I will take my moments as needed with no um hesitation you know it's like
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okay nope I need a beat give me a second let me come and really maximize on that and like really make it quality and then
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come back and and keep doing it so I don't want to leave more than you know a few honestly like handful of months
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between my projects now really like yeah so we got another project. Listen. Okay,
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let's get let's work this one first, bro. Okay, let's work chaos first. But we got we got some more projects.
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Even if it's not me up front. Yeah. It's just that I want to continue. I want my output to be and if I'm behind
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something, it's projects. Again, that's the other part is like being able to pour what I have into other projects and into
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other artists, into other stories means that I get to be present without necessarily being upfront. Right. So,
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it's also a it's a considered approach whereby we get to get the mission off and the intention infused in all of it,
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but also not have to be, you know, be up front. Miguel is here. I can relate to that u
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in a couple ways. I'm going to play a song. Yeah. Um two things when I think about you being
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present in in different forms, not necessarily being upfront. I look at um Anderson and um Bruno, right, coming
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together that collaborative project. Um are there artists like that that you
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collaborate with or you have something in working? Yeah. Um I mean there's definitely been a few that are like we've been talking
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about it, just haven't done it yet. Throw some names. Who would we tell you if it's a good idea or not?
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Uh good ideas. Good ideas. Listen, I think all of them are good ideas. I feel
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like left or center be just something really unex unexpected. Excuse me.
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Be crazy. But of the expected ones, I keep hearing Cole. Everyone's like you and Cole.
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Oh my god. You and you all all of the all of my guys that I feel we've we have a natural
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um like there's a complimentary thing about our styles that that when together work well, you
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know, it's like good pairings. I think all those ones. I think I'd love to do a project with just female MC's. I feel
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like just to produce all female MC's and just sing and like do the hooks and all of that. I think it would be crazy.
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That would be crazy. Doi
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would be crazy. Jane Jane Jane Hancock Jane Hancock from the Bay.
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Yo, crazy. And there's a lot of new new but like MC spitters too. Crazy
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would be crazy. Would be hard. But then also like bring the sweeties. Bring them
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all. Yes. Yeah. Detroit Diamond. Bring them all. Detroit Diamond. Oh my god. It be crazy.
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It would go crazy. It would be hard. And then get a mumu fresh on there.
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You might have to You might have to anr that. I would love to, bro. Like I love to participate. If you do that,
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dead ass serious. That's our love in. And we deal I deal we we're on top of MC's.
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Yeah. We just And we we champion them and usher them in and one to have the time to shine. And I I when you said it,
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Miguel is so crazy cuz some reason I thought a baby face initially and what he did for the uh the soundtrack for,
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you know, the movie Waiting to Exhale. Waiting to Exhale. But from a female MC perspective, I've never seen it done.
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And I know you would you would care. Mhm. for the for the project in the way that that we needed to the caring for. So,
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man, you got my vote for it. Please. Yeah. Just just do that. It would be beautiful and supported,
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man. That's we might have to uh we're going to have to call Sway.
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Actually, that's a that's And then people going to look at that like, oh my gosh.
31:59
Yeah. Miguel and Sway got together and did this thing, man. Just don't give up the track, Sway, and
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try to spit bars. I would have to no bars severe. I would have to say something.
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You could say something but no bars, bro. Damn. You ain't
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damn [Music] he carried T spokes. We got to get T spokes on
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there. Look, let's play the title track. Chaos. Miguel is here. I want to open the phone lines. Y'all
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know who he is. Smart questions only. If you don't have them, don't call. But I know you do. 8887423345.
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Let's go. Turn that up. Hey, I'm over here working this way. Who you talking to? Drew?
32:41
Yep. I'm trying to invite Miguel to our uh SiriusXM Swain in the morning karaoke
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night. When is that? Tuesday night. This Tuesday coming up here from 5 to 7.
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Well, you could come from from 5 to 5:15 if you want to. You could you could just Where's it at? Where?
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Right here in this building. We have a beautiful stage and sound stage everything downstairs. Man, I'm here. This is like This is like
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seven This is like 10 minutes from the crib. 10 minutes. Oh, are you serious? You would come by.
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I pull up. We're here. We're in town. He He said that. He was like, "Yo,
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I'm doing my favorite verses from Biggie. I'm doing
33:20
I'm doing like I'm doing crack commandments. I'm doing 10 crack commandments. I might do some Far Side.
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passing me by. I know it. I love that.
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Oh, that would be incredible. But more importantly, I think I was just saying like for people to see you like you have
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such a beautiful energy and a beautiful spirit and it's a need right now, bro.
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More than anything like we need these hugs right now. For sure. We need them. That's right. Also, just the just the
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the crazy thing is finding the balance on the album of that and also just the
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aggressive this temp. I feel like I'm my most aggressive now, but also to have that in
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my spirit and to capture it on the album was also took some time. It took some crafting, you know, it took a little bit
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of like, okay, how do we find the balance? Because I also want to want to feel the warmth,
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you know, I still want to feel that in the music, but um but I would say there we're not
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in a give me a hug time. It's not time for like it's all good and everything's warm and it's time to get to it. It's
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time for that. It's that action, you know? It's that action. So So yeah, we were just talking about that. We were just talking about that and I'm
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going to read a quote from you. That's not I'm not um that's why I'm looking down. Um cuz as I hear you speak, you've been
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very your the continuity in in your messaging has been very cohesive
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and and also consistent. And um after you dropped your single Chaos, which we
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just played, and when you listen to that song, you feel like you're watching a movie, right? Like I look I listen to that song
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and I you know and I I'm seeing all kinds of imaging in my head and you you
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made a comment. You said to rebuild I had to destroy myself. Yeah. That is the core confrontation of chaos.
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Through my personal evolution I learned that that transformation is violent. Chaos is the sonic iteration of me
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bending that violence into something universally felt. Mhm. My gosh.
35:25
That's love. Yeah. bars. Can you Can you break that down for me? Can I just break That was bars right there.
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Yes, sir. That is our tell me that's not like Look, that's why birthdays be introspective. Yeah, exactly.
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See commented on the read. He said the read was great. Yeah, the read was incredible. It was like a monologue. See said that.
35:43
That's right. Um but but but how did you come to that conclusion? It's it's um
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violent. You used the word violent. It is. But it's a it is that process that that is refining. Water doesn't
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find its its way without going through the sediment, without going through the rocks, going
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through all of the It's not an easy process by which we refine ourselves and
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refine and hone what we want in our lives and how we want to feel. It's not by any relaxed approach that we go,
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"Okay, cool." Like, we just got here. You didn't. None of us got to this room. Yeah.
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By just cozy, relaxing. It was with a tremendous amount of effort, a
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tremendous amount of sacrifice, a tremendous amount of learning and failing and getting back up, fighting
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through and dealing with the the pressure and dealing with the expectation and deal. We all got so much
36:43
pressure that that that is a part of who we are and how we we behave and how we
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choose and how we lead and and that make us resilient
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in order to do it again. Yeah. And again and again and again and again. And it is
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a violent process by which we refine and we and we actually build better. So um
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this this time I think that we're looking at and um what we're experiencing though it
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feels like it's there's so much uncertainty and maybe man we don't know
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if it's the end or what's coming. I think what it really is is opportunity.
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It is a it is a reckoning what with what is not working
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and it's it's a well you can choose to figure it out you know it's it is the it
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is the putting it in front of us to the point where we cannot avoid it. Yeah. And it's also a reflection of I
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think you know as within so without you know so it's a it's a it's in a it's an
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opportunity I think and that's why this album to me I I can again I can get behind this album with
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and get in front of the camera and talk the thing because I' i'm like man it's important I've learned that you know all
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of these moments are inflection points these are times where we can look at
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what's not working and do it better build it better break Break that Break that [ __ ] down.
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Break that down violently. Yeah. Break it up. Yeah. Miguel is here. 8887423345.
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Chaos the uh artwork cover. You have a double mask raised above your
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head and your face. Right. Um and it uh reveals you with this devilish grin.
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Mhm. Yeah. You know, so so people don't think that you you worshiping something. Right. Right. Right. Right.
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Can you explain that? What happened? Oh my gosh, it's it's um it's so with so
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much intention. Um so in in across Latin diaspora, there's a celebration that
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that has that has been important um that's called deos diablos, which is a
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commemoration. It's in in Mexico. It's a commemoration of the freeing of African slaves in Mexico. Mhm.
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Um, which in and of itself was something that I I just connected with deeply
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being Afroxican, not by not born in Mexico, um, but by way of my heritage.
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I'm black and Mexican. And so I I it was a it was a discovery that I just related
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so deeply to because here I am creating this album about me trying to free
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myself from my shadows and all of the things that have held me back and the things that I want to grow from also
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also in my practice through meditation and whatnot finding some some belief in
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Buddhist or relating to Buddhist belief and there's a there's a story in
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Buddhism that's that's centered around inviting inviting Mara to tea which
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essentially is like inviting your your uh it's inviting your demons to tea
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and I know in in Christianity that's that sounds crazy but it's an analogy it's words that's
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that's invite your shadows the things that you've been avoiding the um the the
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things burdening you from really really becoming
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your greatest self, you know, and and leaning in on your purpose and
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all of all of the greatness that you are. Those things that are on our backs that we carry that aren't really helping
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us, the the um intrusive thoughts, so to speak, those things I just found so much
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um I related to that so much. And so when I discovered Laasa Diablo and that it was a it was it's a commemoration of
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Africans freeing themselves from slavery man I was like this is the best this is this is a way to connect like who I am
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and how I feel I am in this moment and the importance of this work that's on this album it's it it is a
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it's relating that to me freeing from from the things that's been holding me back. So um so yeah it was an it was an
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opportunity to um I think educate people of a cultural celebration that um that represents something that I
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think we all can relate to and that is growing growing from growing out of the things that have been holding us back whatever
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they are. Um, and so I I I took it as an important work to do and to educate that
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um, also that African blood and culture runs so deep in all of these cultures
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in the world, you know. So all of them is dope. Yeah. All of them. All of them. Emphasize all of them. Um,
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that was a beautiful Thank you for explaining that, man. Diablo. It's not demonic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I knew that. I
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knew that. Heather wanted me to ask you that. Absolutely. No, it's good. It's good. This the guy
41:59
saying, man, that's why we did it. Okay, that's why I did it, man. Um, Meech is on the line from Still Ling. Go ahead.
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I need That's my dog. He's loving it. He like, "Yo, are we in your living room right now?"
42:13
That's That's how it's supposed to feel. That's how it's supposed to was like, "Yeah, yeah, man. That's the old
42:20
Heather. You don't understand when he used to come around they were like kids and they used to come up to the wakeup
42:26
show like big eyed and you know Drew you remember these day big eyed like who are these oh my gosh I'm in
42:33
and so for him I'm I'm sure he's like my little bro this is like big bro little bro right
42:40
so he ain't going to diss me right no I will snap on you though I'm going snap on you not on the air we'll save it
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for the we'll save it for karaoke Yeah. All right. We got Meech from Denver on
42:53
the line. What up? What up, Meech? What's up? What's up? Uh, I just have a
42:58
quick question for uh Miguel. I just want to know what was your mindset going into working with Mac.
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Miller on the song Weekend. Wow. Man, I had no idea what I was walking
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into. Actually, I um I got a text from him as I was leaving a mix session. Um
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and the studio he was at was right off the next exit. So, it was almost like it was meant to be because
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you already know I traffic the moment I passed that exit on the 405. I'm not I'm not turning around. There's no way I'm
43:30
getting back in that traffic. It could have been MJ. You I don't care. I'm very sorry. I'll see you tomorrow. Hit me before 5 or You
43:38
know what I'm saying? like don't hit me there right now. But um uh he hit me with a text like man I'm at the studio
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right now. Would you pull up? And I was like bro I'm one exiting away. Yeah. I I'll come over there right now.
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And I did and you know weekend the weekend um he was already had that loaded up.
43:56
Most of the song was already tracked and he had a vision for it. We cut it right then and there and that was it. It was
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the easiest mo. It was it was I think from ideiation just even the possibility
44:08
of it. It happened like that. Yeah. So it was kind of meant to be happen
44:13
alignment. Did y'all hang out after that at all? We kicked it for a little bit but then I just I was like, "Okay, cool. Let me
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know if you need anything." And I sl Yeah, that was magic. Jen Jen is that Jen over there just walked in. Jen say that she
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runs this place. That's dope. What up, Jen? Su just
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Say hi to this is Miguel, Grammy winning artist right here. Come say hi. Make me look good, Jen. We're live on
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air now. All right. Come on, Jen. All right. Cool. But um don't be shy, Jen. Jen ran out of there, too, boy. They
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they got to get out. That's an amazing story. I saw you post about D'Angelo, too. Did y'all Did y'all get a You
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didn't get a chance to meet Never got to meet D'Angelo. I never got to meet D, man. Yeah. Um one of those ones.
44:57
Yeah, that's a hero. That's a hero. Um I didn't have the words cuz so when he
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passed last week I was on my way to like a AP interview or something
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and um I found it in the car and then we just went up and you know did the interview and so I was still kind of
45:18
processing it and I still don't really have the words but um I mean D is
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carried the torch uh for funk, for soul
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and he really created his own
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he just did his own is we don't have a lot of those left who have really made a
45:46
mark on music and impacted all of us like he did after Prince.
45:51
Mhm. Yeah. After Prince. Wow. You go. Okay. So, who is carrying the torch? Right. Yeah.
45:57
And the distance between Prince really making his impact and establishing his
46:03
sound and anyone else kind of doing that on the R&B soul funk side is really not a
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lot of people. And D'Angelo along with Soul Aquarians and everyone who who really have
46:14
are at the forefront of that movement and music D still stands out
46:20
as carving his own lane sonically. You know what I'm saying? and and I think since him Balo has carved his own lane
46:28
sonically man love Balo um of course Erica but in
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terms of male male Jill all of the Angie rest in you know what I'm saying all of
46:38
the everyone kind of carved their own lane but in that time his sound was so distinct he
46:45
was at the forefront of a very different distinct like what is this I know this but woo this is this is
46:51
something else Mhm. And it wasn't like, oh, I get you, when you listen to D, it wasn't like, oh,
46:56
he's trying to be Prince. Yeah. It wasn't like that at all. It was like, oh, I hear it,
47:02
but this is something else. And I think his impact on on music is
47:08
one that will just we're never going to the world will never sound the same without D'Angelo. He's not going to sound the
47:14
same. It was, you're right. It was like the hip-hop soul funk. It was just this all
47:19
of it because the beats would start going and the swag, the you know the
47:26
references, the Tims on stage, the the no shirt, the je the it was all every
47:32
You're right. It was everything full package. A whole other other way of bringing all bring bringing bringing it
47:38
all together and making it his own. Um we're going to miss that the dish. You know what I mean? We're gonna we're
47:44
gonna miss that that gumbo for sure. And that's it's important that we we really um
47:49
acknowledge folks too while we can while they here. When I when I hear you talk about D'Angelo and it's a name that I
47:56
feel is not mentioned enough especially when they do the whole best producer thing and the whole nine Raphael Sadik
48:02
Raphael Raphael Sadik if you if you I know people have these
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best producers list and all of this speak on it and y'all never mention Raphael Sadi and
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he has been successful at being like no I'm chilling I'm low key like you go through the you go through the credits
48:19
and you're like woo every five years you got something that's going to live with us forever that we're forever going to
48:25
go back to. Yeah. Forever. Every 3 years. Every three years. And he was the first
48:31
person being from Oakland to sit and tell me about D cuz he they had worked on Lady and I feel like Brown Sugar
48:36
maybe. Uh he's on he's on all the whole Yeah. all the albums. And um to hear you say that Ray used to tell me
48:43
this these things way back in the day. You mean Raphael Sadique? Oh, I'm sorry. Did I say first name? Yeah. My bad. See Miguel told Watch your
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man. That's how he drops. He's like a bad guy.
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Y'all know him. Let me take one or two more calls real quick. Uh Meech, you a citizen, brother. That's way in the morning.
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Thank you, Meech. Let's see what you sparked. He said, "Yeah." Uh let's go to Louisiana. Wow.
49:06
Uh we got um Mike on the line. Go ahead. What's up, Mike? Hey, Mike. Leo
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Miguel from Louisiana. What up, Mike? What up, Mike? That's right.
49:18
Yo, Miguel. Hey, you call yourself as as an artist like like Sway call himself
49:25
Jamard and all that there. So is your name really Michael? No, my name is Miguel. I'm named after
49:31
my father for sure for also you're the junior. Did you name your baby the third?
49:38
Um different different name but not not the third. I'm not the third. My father is is the second named after my tata my
49:45
grandfather. Miguel Langel is that's my father's name. Miguel Anel. I'm Miguel
49:50
Jontel Bntel and my son is different than me as well. Yeah. My name is Michael Maggie Jr. My
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father is Michael Maggie Sior and my son probably going to have the middle name of Michael. Thank you for that.
50:02
That's right. Yes. We got to keep the lineage though. You know, we stay in there. Right. Right. But it don't matter if
50:08
your son don't name his son the same thing. Right. Right. I think a little nod is
50:14
nice. A small nod. Like just put me in there. Even if you use my middle name, I'm a good child.
50:22
Super citizen, brother. Love you, too. In the morning. Yeah, man. Jamal in Nebraska. What you want to say? Wow. Nebraska.
50:28
Yep. Jamal. [Applause] Jamal. You there? This call is I'm here with Jamal though.
50:36
What happened? He said Jamal. Oh, Jamal. My bad. Jamal. My bad. Jamal, how you doing, Brad?
50:42
He's recording the call. He's recording the call. Hold. Hey, let me let it sound good for you then. Hold
50:47
on now. Hold up, Jamal. Hold up, man. Hold up. You recording the call? You got to do it again. Yo, ladies and gentlemen, he's here like
50:53
Miguel is here to talk to this citizen. Okay, Jamal. Miguel came to talk to
50:59
Jamal about his project. Jamal from Nebraska is on. Miguel talking to Jamal.
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Jamal. So, for everybody, we finally got him. Jamal is on the line. Come on.
51:12
Hey, Jamal. made it happen, man. Yeah, bro. It's an honor, man.
51:20
You too. Take your time, brother. Hey, so say hi
51:26
to Miguel. What you got for him? Yo, uh, once again, man, it it was a pleasure hearing your story, man, and
51:32
how you went through the whole process on the album. Um, you know, really, really dope creative as always, man. I
51:37
really love the work on Coco. The question I have for you is as a creative man, I know you go through a lot of
51:43
different processes as you are thinking about creating songs. How do you stay consistent? Like you talked about
51:49
earlier, staying resilient and staying true to your sound. I I know you're creating so many different songs. So, how do you stay,
51:56
you know, stay stay um say these songs are going to be be on this project and how do you say, you know what, I'm going
52:02
to go in Spanish or English on this. Uh as a creative, you go through so many different modes. So, Could you speak to
52:09
that? Yeah. Yeah. Choosing. Yeah. Yeah. How choosing is um the the work reveals itself for me. So, um I
52:17
didn't know what this album was going to culminate in. I just knew that I I was
52:24
speaking what was real for me in real time. Um, and I took in the end when I
52:30
when I could see it, um, it was a song in Spanish, a song on the album called Plato that really gave the album the
52:39
shape that I it was like, oh, this is the statement and everything else should center around this message. And the
52:47
message in the song is that I'm I'm reflective and and thinking about the
52:54
journey and what I had to sacrifice and what my family had to sacrifice and what
53:00
everyone has to sacrifice in their journey through life and how integral
53:06
finding purpose in the chaos is into really creating you know the the kind of
53:12
energy and the determination that growth requires. So when I wrote the song, it
53:18
it was in Spanish and I could only tell that story in Spanish and it informed the rest of the of the project. So that
53:25
was the one that that gave me the this is the theme. Now let me build
53:30
everything that's happened in the la let me let me give you all the moments that got me here
53:35
in in the last eight years. And so that was kind of the the tent pole or that was the cornerstone so to speak. And I
53:42
just kind of went through all of the moments throughout the eight years and that felt that spoke to that and gave
53:48
the audience a sense of like where I was growing from. And that's why the first song is kaos the message of that song is
53:56
which is I prefer my pain which is instead of a instead of a
54:02
boring life or instead of a life without color. So, I came into writing this album and starting this album
54:08
looking at all of the chaos I was creating in my life like I needed it
54:14
that I needed all the smoke that I needed the I was the you like I was the drama instead, you know, so to speak.
54:21
And that was what Exactly. You know what I mean? It was like I'm the I'm the problem. Oh, it's me.
54:26
Am I the drama? Yeah. Really? And um and that's how I start. That's that's where I was. And
54:31
then the album kind of goes through really coming coming to terms with my avoidance. Um how I lean into my
54:39
hedonistic ways to not not address, you know, some internal conflict, what that
54:44
internal conflict is, my identity and so on and so forth. And then coming to the realization that it's all about, you
54:51
know, the process, um the violent process and beautiful nature of change and um that's chaos. That's Kyle's
54:58
Kyle. Yo. Hey Jamal, great question. I'm glad we saved you for last, brother. You
55:04
really brought it on, man. Way the finale. All right, take a bow, Jamal. Let's go. Thanks, Jamal.
55:10
Hey. Hey. I'm I'mma give you your citizenship and I'm going to see if Miguel can say a sway in the morning.
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All right, so this is very official. Let's go. Jamal, you a citizen. That's right. On on sway in the morning.
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There you go. Nailed it. He killed that. All right, Jamal. Have a
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beautiful day. Give it up for Miguel, y'all. Oh man, this was a beautiful amazing man,
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amazing reunion. Appreciate it. Right. And every time. Every time, brother. And uh thank you
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for sharing the the joy in the pain and and then the process and the results
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of it, man. And and then the blueprint moving forward for the next 10 years. 40th will be tomorrow.
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This is a milestone. That's right. Your 40th birthday, man. I can't believe it. When you reflect on the number 40
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growing up, dude, what h how do you what what do you see when you look at your life this past 40 years,
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man? What are your reflections? This is a milestone. Are you where you thought you would be?
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Well, well beyond well beyond. And it's kind of like the buzzer beater, you know, in the very in the very the the
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the more recent past. um the tremendous amount of growth that I'm grateful to
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have um achieved in terms of myself and and knowing where I want to go and how I
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want to feel and what I get to do um you know on behalf of my son my audience as
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well you know and how I can have a deep conversation with him through the art support other artists man I'm I'm um
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tremendously grateful yeah man congratulations let me give you some advice too cuz I heard you say
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earlier in the conversation In 10 years, I'll be 50. And when that happens, that'll be the best decade of your life.
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Welcome to freedom. Welcome to liberation. That's the freedom. Freedom is what?
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Cuz you going you going to find out. I predict to you this decade of your 40s
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will be the best by far. Word. I guarantee it. I'm with that.
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This is going to be your best by far. All that comes with it. Mhm. You're going to have a better uh your
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blender is better now. Let's go. So, you're processing things differently, right? This is going to I'm excited for you.
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Let's go. I turned 40. I was working at MTV and my daughter um surprised me. She was
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I'm not sure. She was eight or something. She surprised me uh or maybe nine. And she surprised me
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and did a a 40th birthday. I wasn't going to celebrate it, right? And she did little invitations to
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all my co-workers who I some I didn't even rock with, you know, inviting them all to my house.
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Wow. In Harlem, right? When they all she
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showing up, right? But it was a beautiful experience and it made me look at it differently cuz I didn't, you
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know, I didn't have her, you know, in my 20s, you know what I mean? And
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when I got to that decade of 40, the understanding, the give a [ __ ] factor,
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all those things you carried in your backpack before, they won't even make it to the zipper, bro. That's right. Backpack turn into a
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wallet. Enjoy your birthday, man. Enjoy that, man. Enjoy it with your son, your
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family, your loved ones. Give it up for Miguel, man. Give Drew a raise, you know, all of this, man.
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Yes. Yes. Chaos, man. The album is out tonight at
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midnight. Make sure y on his birthday. On his birthday on his birthday. Yeah. Go bang that. Buy the vinyl at
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s1c.la on my for my birthday. There you go. That's right. Buy where? S1c.
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There you go. All right. This is Miguel. Thank you for coming by. We love you, brother. All right. And much more success. And we
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going to work on that project. All right. Better be. No bars, though. No bars.
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Say we get Heather be on the project. Come on now. Yes, sir.
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I had to bring him back out. We got to bring you back out. There's a something behind this with
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him. We'll talk and you should be you in my top five. We We'll talk.
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Here's the problem with this guy. So, Red Man, who we all know and love, right? Get the verse ready, DB, if you got it.
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Red Man dropped a new project uh this year, right? And he asked me to be a part of it. He
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did a track with artist from Jersey. I had no interest because that minute that you was talking about, you know, you f
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I'm good, Reggie. But I realized what he was going to do and what it meant to him for that project. So I jumped on,
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right? And I'm out. Like I was in and out and I was out. This man won't let it go. Why don't you
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just keep going? But it's to all I'm so glad you explained what you broke down just in that the energy and the strength
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and all that it takes to create, right? as an artist, as a creator, it's a lot more than what people think. And there's
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a space when you actually writing, then you have to go in the studio and record it,
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and then the space you have to get into performing. It's all the things, you know, and people never look at that part
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of it, but he won't let up. Okay, let me do this. Miguel, I know you got to go. Let's throw the verse on this. And if you hear her rap and you
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feel like, you know, I think this would be great for this project I want to put together that you and him putting together cuz now you're helping. I'm
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helping this. deep. I'm just I got
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[Applause] Miguel, thank this man.
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That's hard. Stop playing. So the concept he put all me, Latifah, Nikki D, the artist from Jersey. Yeah,
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we all got together in one track. So put together put together a project of illmc's that
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need recogn. All right, that's it. That's what we going to do. DJ See, we appreciate you.
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LA Dodgers official. Congratulations on the World Series. Let's go Dodgers. Let's go Dodgers. Let's go Dodgers.
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Let's go do Dodgers.
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