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yes yes yes I take pride in playing that
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trailer uh that features our next guest
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we've been talking about them all
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morning because I really admire this man
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from the time I first saw him and
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Antoine Fisher back in the early 2000s
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all right men remember this specifically
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because I was new to MTV at that time I
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just moved to New York
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um and I just those moments are of
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nostalgia remind me of a time when I was
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developing uh my purpose in this
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entertainment game and just watching
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this man's work and how the work he does
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aligns with who he is outside of work
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it's really impressive DB I want you to
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do the honors if you don't mind it was
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crazy because you were talking about
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purpose and that purpose is basically
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the premise of this film that he's
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talking about the crossover in addition
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to the other uh I'm sorry the series The
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Crossover in the film uh that he's also
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promoting but I wanted to tell you that
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I was talking about Friday Night Lights
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the other day where you played booby
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miles and I grew up in a town in
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Lewisville Texas that was very similar
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to that like high school setting where
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football was everything if you were
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quarterback you could get away with
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murder and then it was just like that
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once that ends people didn't really have
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like anything to do you know what I mean
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so watching you know the crossover and
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seeing like what happens when your
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dreams change and when you have to
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figure out what's next for me if this
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doesn't work out or something happened
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to where it didn't work out so he's
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playing Chuck Bell on the series The
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Crossover streaming now on Disney plus
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and he's reuniting with uh citizen of
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sway in the morning Katie Holmes who's
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directing the film rare objects which
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will uh release on Friday April 14th
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please welcome our good friend Derek
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what up man how y'all doing man bless
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blessed to be here always man there's a
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crazy energy in this um
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in here man yeah it's like it's like
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it's like it's spiritual it's grounded
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and uh yeah it just feels good the lines
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well you normally Heather and Tracy are
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here so you know when they're here I'm
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very restricted on what I can say and do
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sometimes you know so uh but yeah man
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that's what that's what this is rooted
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in you know I mean this show these
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platforms are just conduits we are just
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conduits for a larger uh a larger
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purpose in a sense you know you came in
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here and we were talking about Toby and
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wigwe yeah yeah you know and I know
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you're a hip-hop head man so do you did
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you were you introduced to Toby on this
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um yeah it's not actually my my boy
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Chris emden Professor Chris emden uh who
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um my wife and I do work work with um I
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was like yo who you listening to man
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cause like when I'm in you know La I'm
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busy and he was like yo um Toby and I
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and I was like yo let me look this cat
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up and man I started watching the
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interviews between you and him and it
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was feeding me not a lot of interviews
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feed yeah and I was like yo it's hip hop
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and his feet and me and so it was just
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that Synergy coming from y'all too and
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me and my family just went on a um for
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the first time ever we went on a vision
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retreat in Oregon and we just it was
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about finding our purpose it wasn't
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about the next moves it wasn't about
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doing the next movie and it was about
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you know my my wife was like yo well if
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you gonna be on screen I don't have any
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issues with it but I have issues if
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you're in the movie that is not aligned
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with your purpose yeah and so because
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you know in the in the marriage uh just
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April 4th we just celebrated 24 years 24
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years man I was like unicorns
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so now you know she's holding me to it
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yeah yeah you should ask about that
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question that Carla said about listening
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remember we were saying we got a guy so
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you know the two of us are single again
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so uh and you know I didn't expect to be
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single at this stage in my life so I was
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talking about going out on on a date and
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just how the Dynamics changed now like
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some of the questions were being asked
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and somebody called in and said they
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were having a problem communicating with
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the significant other and tort suggested
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that you know you're communicating at
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her but are you listening to her you
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know and and I pointed out that man it
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was a time I thought I was listening in
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my one of my last relationships but I
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truly wasn't listening yeah did you have
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to learn how to listen
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that's that's every day as a matter of
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fact that's like when I really started
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acting okay because the acting you know
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I took like a couple acting classes but
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what I remember he was they were like yo
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you're not listening uh you're you're
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forcing the line but you're not
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responding and so being married my wife
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be like yo you just you just trying to
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clean things up that's not what I'm
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saying I'm like okay yeah so she was
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like I don't need the apologies I don't
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I just need you to listen and I'm like
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so you uh she's a listen and if you love
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me you'll listen and um I'm learning how
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to perfect that you know still after 24
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how difficult though um because most
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times what uh is it to align your
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profession with with your purpose
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because a lot of actors acting this and
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it's not a shoe-in it's not like you're
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gonna get every job so when you get a
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job sometimes it's about getting a job
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yeah you know so uh sometimes I would
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just based on the conversations I've had
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sometimes you got to take jobs you don't
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necessarily want right you know bro you
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beyond that though no I I think I'm not
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beyond that but I you was talking about
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listening but when I'm when I'm really
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listening okay uh that there's no job
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that's supposed to be outside of my
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um I think that I've sometimes either
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considered jobs or have taken a job that
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was out of my purpose maybe because it
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looks scarce you know and uh maybe I'm
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not trusting that he can you know he who
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started this in me that he can complete
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it you know what I mean so
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um I think you know my wife basically
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saying look you got dreams I got dreams
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when we gonna step out on those dreams
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yeah I like that do you um you talking
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about booby miles right um and a lot of
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times when Friday night lies too were
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you a a professional High School athlete
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a lot of times that's when you peek you
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know what I mean uh it doesn't get
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greater glory days after that we see
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actors thespians their careers go up and
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down and up and down and up and down uh
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your career what you say has been the
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trajectory has been fairly steady I I
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steady I think I've studied worked okay
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uh I think I've studied work I'll answer
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it like your study worked yeah do you
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get to a point like working in a music
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business we will see a lot of artists
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who are in the now and get the spotlight
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you know they get to push over and over
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again it's not a reflection on the
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person who's not getting the spotlight
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but damn it I'll be damned if I'm not
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like why are they not looking at me
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you know what I mean do you experience
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that at all like if you see
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um Michael B or Jonathan getting all of
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this push right now and you may not get
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the same push for your projects how do
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you how do you navigate through oh man
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you're going in there I'm just not
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it was amazing bro it was tremendous I
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followed all of that and I always
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wondered sometimes you don't get the
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same push the same Spotlight that's not
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a reflection of your work or who you are
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as an artist but how do you cope with
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I think that I I think it's the same
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reason why your interview with Toby was
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uh because I think Toby is dope not
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he Rhymes I think he's dope because he
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found his voice yeah and I can't say you
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know everything I did was my voice like
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uh some of the things I did was about
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the voice of pedigree and I didn't
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always agree with everybody else's voice
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but I let other people's voice steer my
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voice so when I go back and I look back
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uh if I'm mad at anything I'm mad at not
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working walking in my birth rights which
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is confidence courage
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strength and just trust that you know I
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can step out on that next thing that I
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see so it's less about
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uh them even though I pay attention and
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it's dope yeah you know I think
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you think uh uh you mentioned uh
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Jonathan I think first of all I I he is
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on a younger generation where I go like
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God designed him absolutely like he
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designed me absolutely and he didn't put
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us on the Collision Course and I I can't
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be him and I'm not him and as a matter
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of fact I had a conversation with my
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agents and I bought these seeds inside
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of the agency and I was like
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um and I passed them around and I was
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like I asked everybody to identify what
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those was and everybody was like calling
10:29
them out but the gist of it was like I
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was like look DC's all look the same but
10:34
they're all called to do something
10:35
different and I'm like don't look at me
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uh like what's his name because I have a
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I I love and I'm driven the stories
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about men especially men of color about
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transforming from one mindset into
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another like that's my space yeah I know
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that's my space and though everybody
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else will and everybody else like I love
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watching will I love however like where
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I sit where I love is that when I'm
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having conversations about Antoine and
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it's and it's going deeper and I'm just
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made that way yeah you know what I mean
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and I I think I should get paid but
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what's a payoff is when somebody like
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your D and they don't go deep they'll be
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like yo that was my story that's all
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they got to say that's it and I'm like
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I got you I got you that was my story
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too yeah I love that Derek Lucas here
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man I love that man yeah I love that DB
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um you're playing the patriarch of this
11:42
family you play Chuck Bell on the series
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The Crossover and you know I think
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when you watch an actor and and you're
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playing a certain type of role for a
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certain number of years because you're
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young or whatever then you finally see
11:52
them start to take on like Father roles
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and that sort of thing and I I just
11:56
wondered like who were you looking at or
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if there was anybody you were looking at
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how do I want to play this father and
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who did it before that I can maybe
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borrow something from
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I turned the TV on this morning
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controversially it was The Cosby Show
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you can't take away like how yeah you
12:14
can't you can't because I was I was
12:16
looking at him and I was gonna like all
12:19
right you know the the takeaway was like
12:24
and like I was hearing this this pastor
12:29
like you know living one way out here
12:32
but you really somebody and she was
12:34
talking about your thought life I was
12:36
checking my thought life but I was
12:38
cars and I was like yo when my father
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that family setting reset family for me
12:47
yeah and so my takeaway from him was
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that I I wanted to go in that lane like
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I told somebody else like I didn't want
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to first of all I came to LA to do
12:57
comedy I didn't come to do drama wasn't
12:59
interested didn't even know I had any
13:02
dramatic Lane in me and but when I look
13:05
at The Cosby Show man like
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you know and he did it well and he did
13:09
it in excellence and he wasn't just the
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family I hear white families going like
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he was my dad too yeah and I'm like what
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and they was like yeah I felt the same
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um uh but when the cross overcame I was
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it was two reasons why I was tending
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that one it deals with health uh number
13:30
two it dealt with uh being a father and
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I was just nah I was like nah I'm too
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I'm like nah because you look great bro
13:42
yeah you're well preserved next to your
13:44
wife but I'm like but I'm like you know
13:46
sometimes a Hollywood's version of a
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father is like you know in my version
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you know and so yeah
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yeah dude you still look like you're in
13:55
your 20s man what you doing what's that
13:58
skin regiment you got is that th balance
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9.5 same thing y'all drinking okay okay
14:04
George Tillman um big round of applause
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for him George Tillman Jr LeBron James
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um uh uh EPS for this project right yeah
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yeah what does that mean exactly for
14:15
LeBron did he show up on set or nah man
14:18
I got games to play dude exactly you
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know it was kind of dope because it was
14:27
you know there's a sport in every
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industry and I'm like you know if if if
14:33
I'm thinking like an athlete I'm
14:36
I got to finish my legacy
14:38
and just coming to set
14:41
at to my specific Legacy it it may
14:45
broaden my business Legacy but does it
14:47
to the now narrative so I I I was hoping
14:51
to see him on set to be honest yeah
14:54
um but he had his producers there and um
14:56
but I get it I understand I understand
14:59
what that that Focus time it's like yeah
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yeah yeah yeah yeah damn okay I was
15:04
gonna see if you got an autograph ball
15:08
and LeBron you listening my G what do
15:11
you do to get out of a block cause I you
15:13
know sometimes like I have to watch a
15:14
lot of stuff for work and a lot of times
15:15
it can be overwhelming you're trying to
15:17
keep up with everything all the content
15:18
that's constantly coming out so what do
15:20
you do when you need a break and maybe
15:21
you just need something to like
15:22
re-inspire you again
15:27
my wife gives me my baby
15:31
he's like let this be a token that when
15:35
you're on set I'm keeping them bye you
15:38
know she's like like she'll tell me in a
15:41
minute like you take them boys I'm like
15:43
both of them she's like I have them all
15:45
the time and so but um but nah man I I
15:50
some inspirational I'll put on the
15:52
Denzel film uh just kind of recalibrate
15:55
what what am I doing what he would
15:58
accept at this time and what Whitney and
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uh that's that's how I get that
16:02
inspiration y'all still communicate a
16:04
lot I communicate with him
16:06
like he comes to Broadway I'm there like
16:10
I'll pay my tickets like I ain't even
16:12
know how much Broadway tickets were yeah
16:14
I'm thinking like movie tickets
16:22
I'm like what and so you know my wife
16:26
and I we you know every time he comes we
16:28
check him out that's what's up that's
16:29
beautiful to have that tie with him I
16:32
love that you mentioned your wife
16:34
often yeah you talk I think that's
16:37
amazing I think that's beautiful and I
16:40
love you need it right
16:42
um because nobody does this alone
16:43
yeah yeah Nobody Does it alone
16:46
especially in these fields that we are
16:48
in you need that you need that fortitude
16:50
to you need that support base I love the
16:53
work you you may not recall but when we
16:55
were talking last time we were speaking
16:56
about education and stem you know you
16:59
and your wife have been working really
17:01
hard to revolutionize
17:03
um how we educate our youth yeah hip-hop
17:05
Ed in fact right how did that come to be
17:10
um somebody gave me a script and it sort
17:15
the you know mentor and a mentee it had
17:18
that traditional formula to it and just
17:21
like after doing something like Antoine
17:23
Fisher and not being so authentic I was
17:25
just like I would love to find the voice
17:27
for this generation right now so my my
17:30
my wife man she went on this hunt
17:33
and um she was like praying fasting and
17:37
she turned on YouTube and she was just
17:41
looking for stuff and she saw this
17:42
professor and we looked at each other
17:46
and we're like all right well the script
17:47
is the bones but he's the meat and so uh
17:51
we reached out to him connected with him
17:53
and it's been like over 10 years we've
17:55
sort of been like brothers and and
17:57
ambassadors in education I
18:00
to be totally honest it was more a one
18:03
lane I connected with him to do research
18:06
to develop the project I didn't know
18:07
like I was being divinely launched into
18:11
an area where our education system needs
18:15
um and I got to see a lot I get to see a
18:18
lot in the education and
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I think that I think is
18:23
I think we're on the verge of a
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revolution yeah that's what I that's
18:27
what I believe okay we're in regards of
18:28
a revolution yeah like that no that
18:31
sounds a little Crypt Economist too at
18:36
when you like when you go inside
18:39
when you go inside the classrooms like
18:41
what we what we're learning how it's
18:45
and uh who we are culturally usually
18:48
like our film cram asks the question is
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there room in the classroom for culture
18:54
and people don't understand that when
18:57
you exclude culture like there was
19:00
something called the Carlisle school
19:01
yeah and the model of the Carlisle
19:03
school is I think it was so like kill
19:06
the Indian and what that meant was shave
19:08
their head take their their Garb and cut
19:12
their hair and I think it was like 10
19:15
000 students and I think only 200
19:18
made it they were suicides they were
19:21
like crazy things happened and it was
19:23
like a mirror I think what has happened
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in our education system cram yeah okay
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what does that stand for
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um it's taken well the writer um Kiki
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she sort of lifted it from um
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oh man don't I don't know if we can't
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yeah right there okay yeah I get that
19:55
yeah okay that was dope whoever came up
19:58
with that I'm glad you didn't
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yeah all right well listen Derek I want
20:04
to thank you for coming by man and I
20:06
want to encourage all our citizens to
20:08
make sure you go to Disney plus to watch
20:10
the cross the crossover
20:13
um also April 14th which is Thursday
20:15
Thursday rare objects uh which IFC will
20:19
release Friday Jesus Friday or Friday
20:21
and that's what you play winshaw and
20:24
shout out to Katie Holmes who's a
20:26
citizen here man it's good to have you
20:28
brother hey man it's a good day I hope
20:30
you had a good time man always man yeah
20:32
yeah all right you got Spirit you got
20:34
soul You Got Talent and gift but the
20:37
fact that you got Spirit yeah man yeah
20:39
thank you absolutely brother I
20:41
appreciate it yeah same here in our
20:42
regards to your lovely wife too all
20:44
right no doubt all right all right cool
20:45
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