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Chris Rock Confronts Horrors of Police Brutality In 'Saw' Spin-off 'Spiral' | SWAY’S UNIVERSE
May 18, 2021
Chris Rock talks with Sway and DB about his new horror, 'Spiral: From The Book of Saw'. The latest installment of the 'Saw' series, sees Chris Rock bring the film back to its essence, where there is a deeper meaning behind all of this bloodshed.
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yeah we got chris rock here man we
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excited man chris it's been a second
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brother it's been a second last time you
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came on our show
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you ain't gonna remember this we were
0:07
talking about rappers man and
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you said rappers have the most dangerous
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job in the world and
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since then man i didn't hear no lies
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brother
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[Laughter]
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ah what did i say what did i say i don't
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even remember
0:23
db what do you say you remember what he
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said i believe it was something along
0:26
the lines of movies have killed more
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careers
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for rap movies have killed more rappers
0:33
than bullets
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yeah perfectly good rappers i will say
0:37
no names
0:39
started acting and they were just done
0:42
they just like never you know i mean
0:44
yeah that that that that's a difficult
0:46
transition
0:47
easier for a comedian though would you
0:49
say it's
0:50
it's a nap yeah it's i guess it's easier
0:54
for a comedian but you know it's
0:55
happened to comedians too
0:58
with fire so they started like
1:02
trying to do it on the side you know man
1:05
we got we hanging out with uh chris rock
1:07
uh who you been listening to chris i
1:08
always like to have a good
1:10
hip-hop conversation i went into my man
1:13
doom after he died oh mf doom yeah
1:17
it was weird i never really really
1:19
really like
1:20
like marinated with him and after he
1:24
died i got
1:25
into it i was like wow like yeah yo
1:28
we lost a beast he lost
1:32
like you know i mean like yeah he was
1:36
he had a whole nother thing going on man
1:39
like it's like okay
1:40
okay early too though that's the crazy
1:42
part like mf doom had
1:44
you know you know you've been around for
1:45
decades you know what i mean
1:48
and it's interesting when you discover
1:50
somebody posthumously
1:52
you know and go damn where was i when
1:55
this was happening yeah yeah i did that
1:57
with
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it's not even he's not even dead it was
1:59
weird i was hanging out
2:01
with dave in ohio and i don't know
2:05
how i never really got into diamond d
2:09
oh like i knew of diamond d i knew
2:13
like a couple of rhymes i was like you
2:15
know
2:16
you know but i was like and i
2:19
did a deep diamond d-dive it's like
2:23
wow this guy's one of the all-time
2:25
greats
2:26
yep psychotic neurotics sally got a
2:28
one-track mind
2:30
oh and not you know producer
2:33
mm-hmm you know like
2:37
funny yeah funnier than comedians
2:40
like like like like like crazy sense of
2:43
humor
2:44
something like like dick i've been going
2:47
back
2:47
i've been going back may i make a
2:49
suggestion to you
2:50
sure sure sir um if you like diamond d
2:53
then you're probably going to like show
2:55
biz and ag
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no no i don't know you're good you're
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good okay okay
3:00
okay you know like like you get all the
3:03
nwa
3:04
you got the dlc and then you're like oh
3:06
you somehow you missed above the law
3:09
yeah okay i like that y'all see you
3:12
showing off your crates right there
3:16
oh this above the law [ __ ] is crazy
3:19
like oh what okay bobcat you like the
3:23
producers you're like oh bobcat
3:24
oh quick oh dre got one in there you're
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like this [ __ ] is
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ridiculous yeah above the law man
3:32
see i liked you from you you originally
3:35
from
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new york you east coast brooklyn
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a lot of folks on the east coast can't
3:40
don't know what above the law to them
3:42
it's just an attitude
3:48
they don't know that's a group you know
3:50
so i'm impressed
3:52
the law is one of the all-time
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underrated
3:56
groups like oh this is like
4:00
that's the real west west yeah that's a
4:02
west west right
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there's some west west [ __ ] you got you
4:07
got sand in your tape deck when you take
4:09
that out
4:09
[Laughter]
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beach balls in the back right that's the
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west west you throwed it up the whole
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night man
4:17
uh look man let's talk about the movie
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db we both got a chance to see the movie
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man it's it's something um
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i'm always interested in what you're
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doing and i like how you act
4:28
you know because i feel like i don't
4:30
know if you i'll show you a comedian
4:31
first
4:32
but when you start doing so many
4:34
different acting roles i was just like
4:36
how is chris going to approach this role
4:38
this being a horror
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you know i mean this film having a
4:41
horror legacy i don't even know if you
4:43
were in no horror
4:44
like that did you grow up in the horror
4:45
yeah yeah yeah you know
4:47
what all all the sores and you know just
4:50
just you know i've always been into the
4:53
bloomhouse stuff anyway so you know i
4:57
to me the most fun you could have in a
4:59
movie theater is either comedy or horror
5:02
the audience like you you are one
5:05
when you watch it you know what i mean i
5:07
think like like when you watch a drama
5:08
everybody's
5:09
kind of watching a different drama but
5:11
when you watch a horror movie it's like
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like that whole thing when the whole
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audience is scared
5:17
you can't really top that i know folks
5:19
like when the trailer first came out
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people were wondering i was seeing
5:23
responses like it's it's a spool for
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is it is it serious did you see that at
5:27
all did you see any other reaction
5:29
yeah what was your thoughts when you saw
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that i mean i
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get it i i get how you go you know
5:35
i remember the first time i saw like the
5:37
bad boys trailer and it was martin
5:39
will i was like what and then you know
5:42
three months later i was like i can't
5:43
wait to see this
5:45
because you know you had a you know you
5:47
had a thing in your mind or who they
5:49
were
5:50
before that so i get that i get people
5:52
like is this scary movie nah man this is
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you know like 48 hours with gore
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and traps and you know like that
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is like scary yeah
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well speaking of the traps and the gore
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i mean i love
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practical effects so first i want to
6:10
salute uh the the team that you got to
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do the special effects on this film
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because like when when you see people's
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limbs being torn and guts being ripped
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out like i want to squirm in my seat i
6:19
want to feel
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like it's actually happening you know
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what i mean i don't you know cgi has his
6:23
time in his place in certain films and
6:25
horror movies but
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you know when i when i see something
6:27
blood and guts i want to feel like it's
6:29
actually happening on screen so
6:31
watching this film obviously the traps
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are what everybody looks forward to when
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they're a fan of saw like yourself
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um in the planning stages were there any
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traps that you
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thought of or that were thought of that
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you couldn't put in
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the final cut i mean put this way i
6:46
wasn't in charge of the traps we had we
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kind of had like a deal where
6:50
okay i'll handle the comedy
6:53
all that driving around talking [ __ ]
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like
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breaking you know being mean to the
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young boy
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you know like i'm in charge of that i
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can be mean to a young boy
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all day and then you guys handle the
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gore
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you guys handle that stuff because
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i you know i don't know nothing about
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that stuff that is
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like yo you know i mean like and the
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weird thing about the traps is
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you know they think of them and then
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people got to be in them
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in the movie so people get hurt like
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it's usually stuntmen and whatnot
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you know but they are they're actually
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dangerous
7:33
they actually work oh they do
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yeah they actually work so you got to be
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real careful around that stuff or you
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will
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lose a hand or a leg you know what i
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mean like you could
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you could be really hurt there
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okay so it's all you know i mean you
7:52
know it looks like the actors in there
7:53
but it's stuntmen in there and they
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they know how to get out of stuff and
7:56
everything but that yo that
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[ __ ] was wow there's also
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um in every saw film the traps are are
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sort of like you know
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the thing that everybody loves but
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there's also at the end of each film
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there's always a point to why each
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person is being
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sought targeted and so in this film i
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won't spoil it but there is some
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underlying
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i guess you could say social commentary
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sort of
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uh reasoning towards everything that's
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happening that you see
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uh when you finally get to the climax
8:27
but you guys didn't push it like the
8:28
entire film it's like
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oh okay this is really why this guy
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wants to do this and and
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and torture these people um was that
8:36
your decision to kind of sort of keep
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that until the end and not really just
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like
8:40
beat the audience over their head from
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the beginning i mean it's a weird thing
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because you know like a lot of the movie
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is about
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police corruption yeah we filmed this
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movie before
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you know george floyd or any other stuff
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went down
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so you know you'd have to talk to the
8:58
director like how much he wanted in or
9:00
not
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but it was like you don't want to look
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like you're like
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like you're like trying to take
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advantage of what happened you know what
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i mean
9:10
i mean you definitely don't want to like
9:12
hey we have a police boot
9:14
we have a police corruption movie you
9:16
know luck
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you know you don't feel like you're
9:18
lucky or anything over something like
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that so i think we held back
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just so it didn't feel exploited does
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that make sense
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you know yeah oh that makes a lot of
9:29
sense you do
9:30
you because this is the tragic thing
9:31
we're talking about here yeah yeah
9:33
it's like this movie was done this movie
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was supposed to come out
9:36
like a year ago you know
9:39
we we all went through the pandemic
9:42
the pandemic bro like i you know it was
9:45
moments
9:46
i watched so much that's why i know all
9:47
your specials man you know i watched so
9:49
much
9:50
you know stuff on tv man i almost went
9:53
at one point because i'm in harlem so
9:55
you know my daughter with me for a
9:57
little while but
9:58
when she left i almost found myself just
10:00
you know pulling my ears off man how
10:03
how did you handle it oh man oh when
10:05
your kid left
10:06
yeah you were single and you invited you
10:08
by yourself man
10:10
call me i was i'm just like you
10:14
almost bawled into in the fetal position
10:18
position i got a phone to order food
10:22
like yo money yo people don't think men
10:25
get lonely you know what i mean
10:29
like [ __ ] i get lonely i get sad
10:31
[ __ ]
10:33
yeah they don't think we have feelings
10:35
they think
10:36
like if you break up with someone that
10:38
you feel like you free
10:40
yeah that's what they think like you're
10:41
a man so now you're gonna go
10:44
crazy [ __ ] i'm sad
10:47
what the [ __ ] anyway this let me stop
10:50
talking about this because
10:51
all anybody's going to talk about but
10:52
yeah yeah let's get off that let's get
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up
10:55
i'm so with that um
10:58
okay samuel l jackson bro we didn't have
11:01
feelings
11:01
we gotta feel this man come on we get
11:03
the t-shirt line black man outfielders
11:05
too
11:05
yeah um little duval needs to make that
11:07
song
11:09
black man has philly hey so samuel l
11:11
jackson you guys
11:12
have a wonderful chemistry um are you
11:15
still learning
11:16
is it something that you was learning
11:17
from him working with him i mean you
11:19
know the weird thing with sam
11:20
is like i guess we're technically peers
11:23
but
11:24
like i hold him at like such high esteem
11:27
like it probably took me two days just
11:29
to get like
11:30
relaxed around them honestly it's like
11:33
oh the guy from pulp fiction yelling at
11:35
me
11:37
whoa whoa
11:41
you know sam's a bad man boy yeah
11:45
man like sam is a master jedi actor man
11:49
you got you better come correct you're
11:51
doing a scene with sam because he will
11:52
eat you
11:53
your ass up what's his methods like i
11:56
remember doing um
11:59
uh empire right with you know taraji and
12:02
did some
12:02
cameo with taraji and terence howard and
12:05
i had a scene with terence howard
12:07
i'm no actor bro i'm just happy whenever
12:09
anybody asks me to be on the screen
12:10
obviously
12:11
but you know i study for a whole week
12:13
like i'm like
12:14
i gotta memorize this [ __ ] you know what
12:15
i mean like i don't want to be the dude
12:17
messing up on set
12:18
terence walked in a little late they
12:21
handed him the script he hadn't seen it
12:23
yet
12:24
multi-page script went through it went
12:27
through it bro and i swear he spit that
12:29
thing out verbatim
12:30
you know what i mean and i was like yo
12:32
how does he do that like
12:34
samuel l been in some more movies than
12:36
anybody what was his methods like what
12:38
what did you notice
12:39
no man just like he's just at this point
12:42
you know that steph curry point where
12:44
you don't you're not even looking at the
12:45
basket
12:50
he's hot like that man uh
12:53
i i couldn't really tell you all i could
12:55
tell all i could tell you is
12:57
sam jackson's like 73 it looks like he's
13:00
like
13:01
54 or something so you sitting there and
13:04
you're like
13:06
how do you even look like this money how
13:08
do you even have this energy
13:10
all my conversations with him were about
13:13
what's your workout
13:14
what do you eat what are you avoiding
13:17
like like
13:18
how do i how you know in the ic record
13:20
how can i be down
13:22
how can i how do i get to 70 like this
13:27
this is like sam jackson will take your
13:29
woman he's like
13:30
[Laughter]
13:34
he's that dude he's really that dude
13:38
yeah i love him man uh chris i wanted to
13:41
bring it back to top five for a second
13:42
because
13:43
in in light of the recent passing of dmx
13:45
um
13:46
when when we saw him appear in that
13:48
scene where you guys are in jail
13:50
together
13:50
this was the audience reaction i mean it
13:53
was incredible everybody
13:54
loved to see him in that role because it
13:56
was funny it wasn't serious it wasn't
13:58
him
13:58
as some thug or anything and at that
14:01
time i feel like you were one of the few
14:03
people who actually was still rocking
14:05
with dmx
14:06
and gave him this cameo and while
14:09
everybody else had probably you know
14:10
written him off
14:11
and and and wasn't really looking out
14:13
for him like that so
14:15
looking back now i feel like that means
14:16
even more now because of the time
14:18
that you did give him that part so i
14:20
mean do you have any memorable
14:22
experiences from doing that scene that
14:23
you look at at now
14:25
um that you can share yo man dmx
14:28
okay i met dmx here's a weird story i
14:31
saw a dmx at the apollo
14:34
open for it's a weird you ever see what
14:37
i'm changing at the guard shows
14:41
what's he opening for he opened for ice
14:43
cube at the apollo
14:45
oh it was it was it was just
14:48
it was a straight up changing of the
14:51
guard
14:52
show you know i mean wow and i don't
14:55
know what was happening up front
14:56
you know i had my little cisco ebert
14:58
seats and that balcony
15:00
right over the thing so i best see it in
15:02
apollo right
15:04
and i guess they were they were trying
15:06
to search people or whatever but long
15:08
story short
15:09
bum rushed so i've watched the bum rush
15:12
from up top
15:13
like a thousand two thousand
15:16
[ __ ]
15:17
[ __ ] come in just come in at the same
15:20
time
15:20
led by sean puffy combs right
15:27
before you know whatever whatever right
15:30
and yo man
15:33
he did his thing that night
15:36
it was it was it it was it i mean i q
15:39
had a hard time following him but
15:41
it was it was over like you never seen
15:44
anything like this in your life
15:46
this was it was pock it was
15:49
tyson it was damn maya angelou you know
15:54
what i mean like
15:55
he did he did the poem he did the prayer
15:58
we had him on the chris rock show like a
16:00
few weeks later
16:02
it was you never saw nothing like it
16:05
so cut to we do top five was it
16:09
20 years later or some [ __ ] like that 15
16:11
years later
16:12
i remember we had to he's supposed to be
16:15
on a flight
16:16
at whatever time of course he missed his
16:18
flight of course he missed the second
16:20
flight we finally have to send a plane
16:23
for them right
16:24
damn because it's not like the scene
16:28
works with somebody else
16:30
so we get them there
16:34
dmx he's
16:37
he's in the jail cell and
16:40
i guess he had he like almost a whole
16:43
mount vernon was there it was crazy
16:44
all day right and he takes one of his
16:47
daughters
16:48
like his little daughter into the cell
16:51
and goes yeah
16:52
that's what daddy spent a lot of his
16:53
time
16:58
like like for real
17:02
we did the scene he was he couldn't have
17:06
been a nicer guy we talked all day he
17:08
was funny
17:10
you know it's the same thing just like
17:11
you and i was just now talking about
17:13
being single or whatever it's just
17:14
you get two guys together they talk
17:16
about their divorces the america
17:18
whatever right
17:20
kids it's like we just had a normal you
17:22
know normal day of like chopping it up
17:25
if we were done with the scene at 12
17:28
o'clock
17:29
dmx did not leave until like
17:32
10 o'clock that night
17:36
for real just hanging out he was just
17:37
camped out he just like took over his
17:39
trailer
17:40
and people from mount vernon was coming
17:44
in
17:44
all day it's like you know like
17:48
you've done a movie it's like lunch
17:50
everybody gets a place like he
17:52
fed everybody like jesus like he turned
17:55
one in the wild
17:56
he fed he fed like
18:00
300 of his own people then he
18:03
he left he took all his wardrobe
18:06
he took the wardrobe all of it
18:11
took all of them and i think that was
18:14
the last time i saw
18:16
i think that's the last time i saw it
18:18
wow man that's a
18:19
that's an awesome story man that's dmx
18:21
though bro
18:23
oh you know who's got the best stories
18:25
you got to talk to jay
18:27
jay has this whole thing where he had to
18:30
follow dmx
18:32
on that on one of them tours like
18:35
uh well hard knock life on a hard night
18:38
life
18:39
so you ain't yeah when like you think
18:41
average like
18:42
when jay talks about dmx and like
18:46
jay talks about him like this is what
18:48
made me great
18:50
this is what made me a great performer
18:51
like i was okay
18:53
and then i had to follow dmx one summer
18:56
yeah you know what i mean yeah i was on
18:59
that tour i remember
19:00
covering that for mtv yeah yeah i
19:03
remember that
19:04
you get jay in there like no actually i
19:06
didn't cover that one up that's way too
19:07
deep that's too far stories are
19:09
amazing just about following dms i can't
19:12
even
19:12
like i know what he's talking about i
19:15
had that you know following martin
19:16
lawrence
19:17
like at the height of def jams like god
19:21
dammit this motherfucker's funny was he
19:23
the hardest person you had to follow
19:24
martin
19:25
yeah yeah martin's easily the hardest
19:27
person i had to follow
19:28
it's like no one's even close damn
19:32
you know cedric and oakland yes but
19:35
right martin dude yo marty mark
19:39
yeah you want no pieces of that you
19:41
don't want no if it was a fight you duck
19:43
it
19:43
you duck that fight you run you live to
19:46
talk about it
19:47
yeah yeah you know just you know just no
19:48
it's no shame you know you keep
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keep your record intact uh-huh you said
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cedric and oakland that's funny because
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different cities
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you get different reactions boy oh you
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don't you don't want no parts
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you know you know how this [ __ ] is when
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the big man can dance
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you get a big [ __ ] that's light on his
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feet [ __ ]
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come on man he'll be popping that got
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jokes he got impressions and then the
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[ __ ] starts dancing
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doing the windmills you know boy chris
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you know say i used to pop like
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yeah you can't [ __ ] with it you can't do
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nothing entertaining yeah another
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another alumni from top five you can't
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[ __ ] with said the entertainer
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yo db you hear all these alumni i'm one
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of them alumni's kid i'm on the classic
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i'm on the coke classic kid
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yo i got a funny story about the uh when
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when chris and cedric came up to sirius
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to uh promote top five and they were
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doing the town hall
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and i was on my way out and i was in the
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uh waiting on the elevator
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and chris and cedric walk by and for
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people who watch this
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there's the glass doors that you can see
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everybody waiting in the lobby
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so chris and cedric are walking by on
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their way to the green room and they
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looked in
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and we looked at each other and i don't
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know if maybe they thought i was
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somebody that they knew
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because it was such a quick glance so
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chris and cedric were like yo what up
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and i was like hey and i just look like
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the coolest dude to everybody that was
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waiting on the elevator
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and i know for a second they're probably
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like wait i don't know who the [ __ ] that
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was but all right i already said what up
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to him so we're just going to keep it
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moving
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yeah i was like yeah yeah yeah my homies
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right there
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we go way back yeah i played that all
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for the rest of the day yo
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that's good hey man you got to i
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wouldn't even told that story
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i would still thinking hey you got any
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stand-up
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specials planned i'm working on one
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so as you can see i'm i'm
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moved i'm well it's not like you knew
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where my old crib was but i just moved
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near the club just so i could be closer
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to the comedy club
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so that's going to be like my summer
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like getting ready
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so i can go on tour like early next year
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do you do you feel handcuffed because
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you know comedians been going through a
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lot of scrutiny
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lately yeah i mean
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i'm not worried about i can't worry
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about it i can't
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you know i
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you know what man if if you don't know
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where i'm coming from by now
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you know what i mean you know you know i
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mean like you
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like you have friends in your life right
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we all have friends right
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your real friends a
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word or even one conversation
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will not in your friendship yeah you
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know
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oh my god i can't believe he said that
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i'm not friends with him anymore
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like what do you have one good friend
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that
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you're one thing away from not being a
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friend with anymore
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yeah yeah say one thing you're not gonna
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be their friend no
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so i mean i gotta deal with my with the
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fans like that
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the fans anybody that's been watching me
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long enough they know where i'm coming
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from
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and if you know now the new fans hey
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that's a whole nother thing
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maybe they get offended very easy and
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you know
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hey man i'm sorry i'll do a preemptive
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sorry
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see d.b let me tell you what that is db
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but you when you got [ __ ] you money
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you know we talk about that like you put
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enough away where
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whatever i've been divorced so it's not
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quite [ __ ] you buddies
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it was but it now is a little different
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hey man well congratulations on ep and
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the project
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uh were you planning on epn anymore on
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film coming up right opportunity comes
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along you know we'll see we'll see okay
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all right
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we're gonna send people to watch the
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movie chris rock always great to see you
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brother it feels real
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good to see you man great to see you
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