Daniel Interview Podcast
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May 3, 2024
Daniel Interview Podcast
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Welcome to Episode 2 of the CPA Exam Experience Podcast from SuperfastCPA
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I am Nate, and in this episode, I have a call that I recorded with a SuperfastCPA customer
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a few months ago and I'm now just getting around to editing it for the podcast
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So what this interview was, I got an email from a customer, his name is Daniel
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He had been out of school a long time. You know, a lot of our customers are in that situation, or a lot of people taking the exams
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are in that situation. They had come back to the CPA exam after being out of school for a long time
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And he works as a senior accountant and he was kind of struggling with the study process
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got a 74 on BEC twice. And so on this call, we cover a lot of stuff on this call, but primarily I'm just trying
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to help him smooth out some of the bumps he's experiencing with the study process
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And we go deep into the daily study process, what it should look like, and then towards
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the end, we go through some mindset stuff, how to get over the self-doubt of thinking
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you're not fully prepared, the self-doubt and kind of the panic during the actual exam itself
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And then also how to... We really just cover a lot. So I think you'll find the content of this interview pretty helpful
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At the same time, we kind of jump in and out of the study process just based on the specific
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parts he's struggling with. So again, if you're kind of a first time listener or you've never been on one of our study training
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sessions, that is the best place for you to start. We do these free one hour webinars where we walk through what your study process should
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look like, and we frame it as the perfect two hour study session
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So you learn how to study effectively, even if all you have is just two hours a day with
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your main review course. You can sign up for one of those free sessions at superfastcpa.com slash training, or you
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can just text PASSNOW, one word, to 44222. Or go to our main site and you can easily find a link to register for one of those trainings
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All right, so that's enough of the intro. Let's get into this interview. Right
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So what I was thinking of, I wrote some things down that will give you an idea of where I
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am and maybe I can go through them before you give me some advice or things to do. Yeah
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So basically, yes. Yep. Yeah. Let's just start with like, what's your kind of CPA journey been like
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And yeah, just mix that stuff in. Like what have you struggled with or whatever you wrote down
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Let's just go from there. Right. So like I said on my email, I'm 47, I've been working in accounting since I left college
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and I wasn't a strong accounting student, but I've always had the desire to become a
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CPA and have been struggling with it since maybe 10 years ago
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I decided to take BEC because it was, you know, I said, let me get my feet wet and maybe
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try the one that people say that is the easiest one. But I've been struggling with it mainly, I think, because I was not a very good test
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taker in college or, you know, I was not using the right program or the right method to study
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So that being said, now I'm getting, I took a test exactly one month ago and by now I'm
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over the shock of failing it once more. When before, before I used to, it used to really hit me really hard and then I would
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just stay away from it for more than six months, go back to my regular routine, doing my sports
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and basically procrastinating. This time I'm basically over it, I want to get back into it
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So while studying, I was following your method and this is the first time that I've done
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the test within eight to nine weeks. Before I used to take a lot longer, mainly because I say, well, I need to learn this
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stuff since I've been out of college for so long. But like you say on your recordings, it's, I'm shooting myself in the foot because I'm
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taking too long and it's a marathon, you know, it's a sprint, not a marathon
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So while following your method of study, I felt like I was making progress while resisting
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the urge to move the testing date forward. I have to be honest and say I did not do a lot of the simulations or full practice tests
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So now, studying now after I failed it a month ago, I feel somewhat lost because I don't
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have that structure of studying in the morning and checking off, you know, the boxes in Wiley
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and just moving on. So now I feel somewhat lost because I just want to put emphasis on this section that
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I did not do good on or that I was weaker on
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So while studying, for example, on hard multiple choice questions, I tend to complicate my
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life because maybe I don't understand the stem of the question or I can't come up with
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a strategy to solve the multiple choice question or the wording confuses me and I tend to concentrate
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on the leaves instead of looking at the trees and forming a strategy to solve complicated
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questions or simulations. So that being said, while studying and doing well, my confidence level goes up
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But when I'm spending too much time on the multiple choice questions or get stuck in
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a simulation, doubts start scraping in and the preparation experience is not so pleasant
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anymore, mainly because I know that I won't have that much time on the test to do a similar
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question or problem. Another thing is when I'm at the Prometrics Test Center, I tend to get too stressed at
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the testing center, specifically if I don't know the topic or I didn't study well on a
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topic. I know that I'm deficient in that portion. So that gives me stress, especially one of
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the first questions that I see is specifically on that topic. That really hits me hard and my confidence level goes down. I think I'm handling the
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time management well, but in country, the multiple choice simulation that stumps me
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will play with my confidence and I think I'm losing lots of points because of that
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Like I said, the last two times that I've taken BEC, I had a 74 each time
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My mental state at the moment, I doubt myself a lot. I can't really, you know what I'm saying
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can I really do this? If I pass BEC, which has given me so much trouble, how would I
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pass FAR? That's where I am right now. Well, okay, so a couple of things of good news. First, if you've gotten a 74, honestly
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like on a different day with maybe a few different questions, that would be a passing score
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So you're extremely close. I'll give you some strategies that I'm pretty confident can get
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you over that hump. And then the other thing is, the last thing you said about BEC, if
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you can't pass BEC, how much would you struggle with FAR? That's not always true. Because
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you work, did you say you work as a controller? No, I'm a senior accountant
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Okay, but you work in financial accounting? Yes, I do. So like that, a lot of FAR will be right up your alley, stuff that you have just a lot
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of experience in. And BEC does, can be very confusing, especially, I think you mentioned
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the corporate governance. There's just a lot of, it's a lot of conceptual stuff. And it's
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kind of similar to audit, where there's so much conceptual material, and so much of it
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is so similar, that it can kind of be confusing. Or I mean, it is really confusing. And so
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that is kind of a common experience with BEC. And then the other thing you mentioned, I
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would recommend a shorter study window. And again, where you got a 74, I would, when you
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decide to, you know, jump right back into this, I would set a, I would set a study window
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of like, honestly, like four to five weeks. And just prepare mentally that you're just
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going to hit it hard every single day. And it is more view it more of a sprint, like
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this is shorter, but I'm going to go harder each day. And that, I just think that works
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much better. Spreading it out further, it just really gives you more time to kind of
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forget big pockets of stuff you've studied. So... In that four to five week window, I will hit harder the sessions that I didn't do well on
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Not really, no. Here, I'll give you the full, I'll give you the full like strategy. The
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only other thing I was going to ask is, when you study, are you making your own flashcards
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or your own... Yes, I am. Okay. And do you do those in a..
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I'm trying to follow your method as best as I can. And everything that you say on your
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recordings and everything that I've read, that's the way I study, the same way that
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you suggest. Okay. All right. So yeah, let's just start from the top then. So what I would recommend
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exactly would be, so you set a test date that's like, gives you four or five weeks to study
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And then each day, ideally you'll study in the morning, like you kind of mentioned you've
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done in the past. And like a two hour session in the morning is kind of all you really need
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to aim for. And in those sessions, I wouldn't go back lesson by lesson. I would work in
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this format. You do one set of 30 multiple choice questions and kind of generate from
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all topics. So you're just generating like basically a practice testlet. So 30 questions
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pulled from all topics. And you work through that in test mode. So you're not seeing the
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answers after each question just at the end. And then you kind of carefully go through
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the responses and keep making your own flashcards. Do you use a digital like
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What's the one I. Brainscape or no. Quizlet. Yes. Yeah. That one
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Yeah. Okay. So that's good. So you keep making your flashcards. And the flashcards is a thing
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where you want it to be an 80-20 type thing where you don't want to spend, like you don't
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want to basically rewrite the textbook in the form of flashcards. You don't want to
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take notes on every single thing. It's just stuff that you personally kind of struggle
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to remember or struggle to understand. And you want to, as you're sitting there reading
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explanations, explain it back to yourself like out loud. Explain it back to yourself
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while you're sitting there out loud until you kind of get the idea. And then once you
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kind of have it for that, just right then and there, write out a flashcard in your own
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words. And that's what will work the best later on. So you go through that process
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30 questions and then do another set of 30 questions and then follow that with a set
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of five to seven practice simulations. And that, you want to get to where you can do
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those three things. 30 questions, review. 30 questions, review. Five to seven practice
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simulations and review. You want to be able to do that in that two-hour window. And you
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should be able to kind of do that because by test day, you want to be able to go through
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multiple choice questions, basically one per minute. That's just what you want to
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shoot for to leave yourself as much time as possible for the simulations. And it just
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prevents kind of the overthinking. And just jumping back to one thing you said, you just
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really don't want to sit during the testing center and try to evaluate like where you're
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at score-wise or like, oh, I didn't know this. That's like my fourth one I didn't know
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So what's that going to make my score? At that point, everything's just, you know, you
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can't do anything about that. You're in the testing center just to try to not stress out
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about that kind of a thing. You just don't try to evaluate like where you're at or really
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just how you're doing. And don't sit there and overthink certain questions. You just
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you know if you know something or you don't. And if you don't, you basically make your
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best guess or, you know, and move on. That's really all you can do once you're in the
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testing center. So. Okay. One question. Yeah, go ahead. I did study with Wiley. I really liked it because of the stats that it gives back. It
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gives answer on all options, you know, not just the one that you got right or wrong
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I do have another method like Surgent. And since I didn't do well, let's say on a certain
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topic, would it be a good idea to go to that program and do some of the multiple choice
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questions there or just stick to Wiley 100 percent? If you have access to the other one, yeah, I mean, just to get maybe a different variation
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of some of the questions like, yeah, you know, work that in as well. And then for your
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weaker topics. So here's where. So that's basically your weekday routine. You know
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you work full time and everything. So on weekdays, you just are kind of aiming for that
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one hour session in the morning. Thirty questions, 30 questions, five to seven practice
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simulations. And doing that like that, that alone, just that kind of cumulative review
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I'm not a big fan of spending huge amounts of time on just like your quote unquote
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weaker areas because you can and you will forget stuff from the other areas. I think
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what works best is coverage of all the topics, just hitting all the topics just over and
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over and over and over. And that's what those sets of 30 questions will do for you
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Then on the weekends when you have more time. So on Saturdays and Sundays, aim for a longer
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study session, like four to six hours. And that is where. So start that study session
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with the same thing, 30, 30 and then some practice sims. And that should take roughly
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90 minutes to two hours. And then the rest of that study session, you can go back. And
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if there's still just some things like, again, maybe the corporate governance, then spend
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some time going deeper in some of your absolute weakest areas or things where because I'm
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looking at the blueprints right now and corporate governance essentially just is basically about
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COSO and the internal control framework. And just to kind of go, it's kind of this set
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of broad ideas that a lot of questions could come out of. There's a lot of ways they can
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ask questions on this kind of stuff. So those are the kind of topics where a video lecture
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can be pretty helpful, where you're getting this kind of base understanding of these broad
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kind of deep ideas that a lot of questions can come out of. And it is a pretty like it's
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17 to 27 percent of the BEC exam. So it's a pretty big portion. So on Saturdays and
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Sundays, that's when you spend some time going deeper into the your problem topics
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But yes, I the for a restudy, the first thing you want to do or the main thing you want
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to do is those sets of 30 questions, 30, 30, and then a set of practice sims. And that
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just really kind of helps you practice kind of the same format you'd see on test day
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you know, testlets and then some practice sims. And you're making your own flashcards
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as you do that. And then you you you still want to do the mini sessions throughout the
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rest of your day. Like as many as many times as you've listened to the audios or whatever
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keep listening to those when you drive to work, when you drive home, do some mini quizzes
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throughout your day. And then the big thing, though, is our is our review notes. You just
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read the review notes whenever you have a chance to pull out your phone for like three
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to five minutes and you just read those from start to finish just over and over and over
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as many times as you get through. Right. Should I spend some time doing a full practice test
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See, I'm not I just I'm not like to me, that's just like an if you want to type thing. I
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just I don't think that like gives anyone a huge benefit or not. And these these sets
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of 30 questions that you're doing daily, that's essentially a testlet and you're doing them
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in test mode. Again, you don't see the answers till after you've done all you've done all
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30 questions. And that's basically and you do the practice Sims the same way. So it's
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just like a testlet on test day of Sims. I just to then sit there for, you know, torture
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yourself and do a four hour full practice practice exam. Unless you were having like
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major issues with the time management. I just I don't think that's that important. As far
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as the final review goes, this this will help you a lot as well. If at all possible, set
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your test on a Monday and then then you have Saturday and Sunday before. I mean, if you're
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able to take two days off work, you know, that the two days before your test date, then
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that can work as well. But if not, you set your test on a Monday and then you do spend
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all day Saturday and Sunday just doing a massive cram session. And all you're going to do
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is just even more of the same format. 30 questions. 30 questions are meaning multiple choice
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30 multiple choice. 30 multiple choice. One set of practice simulations. And you just
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go through that format. You keep making your flashcards and then. So let's say that Saturday
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and Sunday night, you've studied, I don't know, from eight in the morning till like five
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at night. I'm not saying go like clear until 10 p.m. I mean, take somewhat of a break
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Also, as far as work for every hour, work in like these 50 minute chunks where you're
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absolutely uninterrupted. And then if you need to just take 10 minutes where you like
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physically get away from your computer or look away from the screen or whatever. But then once
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your 50 minutes starts again, you know, you your phone is on silent. It's turned on face
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down so you can't see alerts or anything or set it across the room just so you are 100
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percent 50 minutes out of every hour is completely uninterrupted. You know, high quality
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study time. Anyways, so. So those two days and then the in the evenings of those two
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cram days before your exam, that is where you will get your flashcards you've been making
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this whole time and you'll start going through those on your phone just using the Quizlet
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app or whatever. And you just go through those over and over and over again and then try
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to fit in reading through our review notes like from start to finish one time. That probably
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only takes like an hour, really. Like they're really not that long. And then test day morning
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Get up early. Let's say your test was at 10 a.m. I just really liked getting up early
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and just keep the cramming going, because like I said, it's a sprint and there is so
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much information. I think it's very beneficial to have as much of that stuff just floating
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around in your short term memory as possible. So like the weeks before, that's all time
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spent trying to actually learn the material, have it kind of burned into your brain as
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much as possible. But it's not all going to be committed to long term memory. And then
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just this week before your exam and especially those two days in the morning of, as much
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cramming as you can do, it's just going to help once you actually get to the testing
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center. So get up, try to do another set of that 30 multiple choice, 30 multiple choice
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set of practice simulations. And then try to get to the testing center like an hour
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early. And I would just sit in my car and I would go through my flashcards one last
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time. And like every time I did that, I would go in. Because essentially, if you're doing
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the flashcards things right, where you're only kind of writing down things that you
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keep forgetting or missing or you struggle to remember or understand, those flashcards
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are going to contain the answers to your weakest areas. Right. So going through the
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flashcards that one last time, like right before you walk in the testing center, I would
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go in and I would, like you said, I would I would see something like the first few
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questions just seemed like straight off what I had just reviewed in my flashcards. And
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I knew it because I had just done the flashcards. Right. So yeah, so those things
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that's like the perfect, perfect formula for a restudy. And you having a 74, if you
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just if you executed that every day, I mean, I would bet a lot of money that you can beat
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a 74 by just doing that exact thing for four or five weeks. From your mouth to God's ears
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I will do it. I will do it. Believe me. Yeah. So I really I really appreciate you taking the time to bring these points back
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to me. I will put them into practice and we'll set a date as soon as I can
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All right, man. Yeah. Yeah. I think I was kind of writing some notes while you were
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talking and I think I covered everything. Do you have any other questions about anything
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No, I think we've covered everything. I got to figure out by myself how to get rid of
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the fear and just be confident when I go in that test center and not second guess or doubt
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myself. Just go in with whatever I have and be confident that I've done the work
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Okay. So you saying that reminds me of one. There's a couple like, I don't know, kind
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of concepts or conceptual ideas that it's kind of hard for me to explain to people through
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typing something out or on some of my emails. And one of them is basically what you just
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said, where as you go through all this practice and you're spending just 90 percent of your
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time on practice problems, it can kind of feel like, like, I'm not sure if I'm even
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though you're towards the end, you'll be getting most of the questions right. And if you've
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been doing this every single day, you'll probably have seen a lot of these questions, you know
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multiple times by then. And so, you know, the answers to the questions. But then when
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you're away from your material, like walking around during the day, you kind of have these
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thoughts of like, I'm not sure I really like deeply understand all this stuff or all these
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topics. Or like if I had to get up and give a lecture on Koso, I wouldn't even know where
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to start. And so there's that kind of self-doubt or that idea. And it's that goes back to what
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I'm always talking about, where you're not trying to become an accounting professor through
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this process. You just need to be able to answer questions on test day. And so just
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kind of trust when you sit down and you start seeing questions and you can answer them all
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That's all you really need to know how to do. And yeah, all that second guessing. I
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know exactly what you're talking about, because I would think like I can answer the questions
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when I'm sitting there studying, but I really feel like I don't have like this deep grasp
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of, you know, from back to forwards, like the whole topic or all the lessons. Or I couldn't
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like explain it to someone piece by piece, but I can answer the questions when I get
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a question. And, you know, so you don't worry about that whole other side of like, I couldn't
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write a textbook about Koso. You don't need to be able to, you know, you just need to
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you just need to be able to answer the questions as they come. And so doing these sets of 30
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30 and then practice Sims every day for four or five weeks, you will get very, very good
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at answering questions, which, again, that's all you got to do on test day. So, yeah, you
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don't worry about the other side of or just let the self-doubt kind of cripple you or
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affect you in any way. Okay, so one last thing, and then I think I should call it a day. I don't want to take
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much of your time. When I'm studying and I'm faced with a complex multiple choice question
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and is it a good idea to just spend the time trying to figure it out on my own, thinking
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that by working through it and pushing myself through it, I will gain the knowledge that
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I need to be able to do it quicker later on? Or should I just go ahead and look at the
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answer? And you see, I feel like if I look at the answer, I'm never really learning anything
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But if I push myself through it, although I'm taking a long time, there will be some
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benefit to that. Am I right or wrong? Yeah, so it's some of both. So let's say that it's like a calculation heavy question
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And I guess there's two different answers to two different scenarios. If it's your first
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time through and someone's doing like what I tell people, the question first approach
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if you just don't even know where to start, then you don't really sit there and try to
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struggle through it because you don't know where to even begin. But what you do want
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to do is look at the answer, and then you sit there and you recalculate it yourself
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multiple times until you understand it. So that's what you would do. There's not a whole
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lot of benefit to sitting there and struggling for 10 minutes if you just literally don't
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know where to start. You know, there's no point in doing that. So look at the answer
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right away. Then what I would say is, wow, this is taking me so long now, I might not even have a test
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answer. So that's where it really helps. Yeah, yeah. If it's some big hairy looking problem and you don't really know even how
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to really dissect it or figure it out, just look at the answer. But then with the answer
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in front of you, I mean, then cover up the answer and you try to get back to the same
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answer, you know. And if you can't do it the first time, then look again and be like, okay
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this is where the calculation, that's the step I missed. Then you cover up the answer
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and force yourself to work through it from start to finish until you can get that same answer
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Got it. Well, thank you very much, Nate. I really appreciate it
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All right, Daniel. Yeah, it was nice talking with you. Let me know how everything goes
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I will. I will schedule this as soon as possible and I'll shoot you an email when I get an
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85 on it. All right, man. Okay. Thanks. I appreciate it
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