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This is a special Remnant Report By Their Fruits team up episode that John Brisson joined me to discuss the dangers of dispensationalism and the mystery of the Body of Christ and other end times topics.
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it's time for you all to wake up and shift your paradigm this world is the kingdom of
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darkness and we are living in its last days it won't be long before the day of
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the Lord will come like a thief in the night the heavens shall pass away with a great noise and the elements will melt
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with fervent heat and the earth and everything therein shall be burnt up
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the Luciferian elite have been setting up the new world order and now they've
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established the globalist beast system for the rise of that wicked one and revealing of the man of sin who comes
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after the workings of Satan don't take my word for it read the
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Bible and you'll know that perilous times shall come in the last
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days and we are in the last
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days hello brothers and sisters and welcome to another special edition team
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up of By Their Fruits and the Remnant Report we
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are blessed as always to be able to come
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together and edify the body spread the gospel and
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today we are lucky enough to be doing both um we're going to be talking we're
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going to be going through the Old Testament and the New Testament and we're going to be talking about the
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mystery that Paul talks about all through his epistles we see it in
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Ephesians and Galatians and in Romans we're going to talk about that
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mystery how it was all through the Old Testament what that mystery was
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and when it was actually revealed and then it's the mystery that we're
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actually going to get into but today my co-host and good friend is brother John
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from By Their Fruits john I as always I am glad to team up with you to tackle a
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topic from the Bible how you doing today brother doing well Pastor Anderson glad to be here on with you uh glad we were
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able to combine our efforts uh to discuss uh something that is quite
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confusing to sadly many of our brothers and sisters in Christ who still hold on
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to the modern um belief system known as dispensationalism
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uh which is causing major problems uh with
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um end times esquetology if we are truly entering into the end times uh and
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leading uh some people astray uh with a pre-tribulation rapture uh uh for
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example um which is uh in my opinion um not supported uh by the Bible or even uh
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the beliefs of the early church um and um you know And I do have you know
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fellow brothers and sisters in Christ who do believe in a pre-tribulation rapture uh and hopefully they would
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always use the caveat you know if I'm wrong you know here are the things you need to look out for uh but some pastors
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don't they say well you know you don't have to worry about the mark of the beast so don't worry about that uh which
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is uh quite concerning because that is not a pastor who is properly shephering their flock if that's you know Amen what
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what they push um but um I myself grew up believing in a pre-tribulation
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rapture uh most Americans do uh I do believe because of the modern uh false
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uh theology put forth by uh couch for national policy member Tim Laay and Jerry B jenkins in their series and
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first novelization and later uh multi-mov series left behind uh which is
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very interesting because the Christians in the ones that are are left behind supposedly the ones that do become born
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again uh supposedly allegedly uh they're not you know out there preaching the gospel and uh you know being martyed for
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the faith uh you know they instead they seem to be very worried that they're trying to survive the entire tribulation
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uh uh which is a quite interesting uh take if you actually look at the series
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as a whole from that perspective that they're going against what we're commanded and what we're going to have to face by our Lord you know foretold by
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our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and uh the Apostle Paul as well as the Old
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Testament prophets about us uh being martyed for the faith in the end times um and uh you know it's looks like a lot
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of it's going to be by beheading uh and um it's going to be quite interesting because a lot of people are sadly
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unprepared uh because of um pre-rapture teaching uh and because of
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dispensationalism uh teaching which the dispensationalism is quite modern at least from what I've seen of it
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infiltration into the churches and it is unpreparing born again believers uh just
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like uh postmillennial ism and omill millennialism and the rise of Christian nationalism is also uh leading many
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astray too as well i think you would agree with that yeah i think that the
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problem is and Jesus lays this out so very clearly in the gospels
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um Jesus of course is the gate but after we enter into the kingdom
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through the gate which is Christ there is a narrow way and we must
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stay on that narrow way we can't go to the right or to the left and each of
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these um systematic theologies
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um each system of theology the doctrines within them they all hold truth they
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have to for any of them to be believable they have to hold to some truth
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and that's one of the biggest dangers is the the truths in them the the I've
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often said that the most the more dangerous the doctrine
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is the more truth it will have in it because you know it only it only takes
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uh small amount of lies for the whole thing to be false but in any case that's what we at
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the same time if we take this truth because there especially when it has to do with the end times the end times are
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something that I will or at least not yet and I don't think that it'll ever
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happen in this lifetime that you'll hear me get up and say um I know it all i've
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got it all figured out um because I don't and I don't think I will but one
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thing that I do know is that there's not going to be a a secret preerttrib
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rapture because it's just not taught in scripture but also tied to that
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preerttrib rapture um that's just one of the doctrines in
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dispensationalism and it's funny um we I I think we all even if we can't think of
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one at the moment this happened to me just this past week um you know I've been teaching against dispensationalism
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and its doctrines for several years now since late
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2018 and yet I still found myself
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holding to a doctrine that was directly out of
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dispensationalism and it was a doctrine that really had only started being held
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by anyone in the church um you know just a couple hundred years ago and it
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was popularized by uh Darby as well too uh John Nelson Darby yes and uh the
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subject that we are actually going to be talking about today is it comes from
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dispensationalism but it it also comes from Christian Zionism but one thing
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that people don't understand is the author of confusion which is what
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false doctrine is confusion is the devil and so whether it's
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dispensationalism full predtoism um postmillennialism which is just uh
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another term for dominionism um you know all of these false
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teachings they come from the same place and of course they start in the
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spiritual realm with the enemy and the fallen angels and his the demons
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that are under his control but they also are pushed by what we learn who are
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called the sons of disobedience in Ephesians the people who are controlled
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who allow themselves whether knowingly or unknowingly to push the lies of the
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enemy and in the case of dispensationalism and
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predtoism both were actually pushed now it doesn't mean they
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were necessarily started by the Jesuits but they were pushed into the churches
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by the Jesuits and if you know anything about Ignatius Loyola and the the
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history of the foundation of the the order of Jesus which is hilarious the
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the title but the Jesuits were what a term that's that's known as
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cryptojews for the origins anyway the founders and that sounds like a slang
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term but it's really not it just means secret they they were openly Catholic
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but in secret they still practiced um you know Jewish mysticism and you know
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it's no secret to anybody that Babylonian mysticism Jewish mysticism uh
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paganism is interwoven all through the Roman Catholic Church and so it
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shouldn't be hard for anyone to imagine that factors of the Roman Catholic
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Church had a big hand in pushing these doctrines into the
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um quote unquote Protestant churches and evangelical churches through places like
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Dallas Theological Seminary is the main university in the United States but
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others just like it and the seminaries taught the pastors the pastors taught
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the congregations and this was done through you know for
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centuries at least two centuries and here we are in 2023 having to have this conversation
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that in the first century this would have never been an issue um you know as
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far as the majority of the church not
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understanding our role as the sons of God and sons and daughters of God and
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our role as the elect and I'm not talking elect
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in you know a Calvinistic way but a
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biblical way from the doctrine of Christ you know Paul calls us the elect we are
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called the elect israel in the Old Testament were the elect and that's what
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we are actually going to talk about today uh brother Jeremy and I talked
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last night and we started in the New Testament and we looked at scriptures in
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the New Testament today I actually want to start off in the Old Testament first
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to point out that in say Isaiah um 53 for example
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uh the prophet Isaiah also Jeremiah when Jeremiah was prophesying about the new
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covenant that would be with the house of Israel and the house of Judah all of the
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Old Testament prophets that were prophesying
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Way back then long before Christ ever came they were
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prophesying the mystery of the gospel the fulfillment of that mystery is the
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gospel jesus Christ is what all the prophets spoke about and the revelation
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of that mystery is the new covenant changing
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of Israel in the sense that it transformed
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from the shadow you know Jesus talks about
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types and shadows and Israel in the Old
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Testament the nation whether it be the tribes of Israel the the that were
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wandering through the wilderness with Moses and Joshua and Caleb or if it's
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the people under King David or King Solomon the the split nations you know
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you had the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom you had walled cities and both kingdoms
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made up Israel they were you know Israel was
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interchangeable for most of history and especially for today when people say
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Israel they think of you know all of the tribes in the Old Testament
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but in the Old Testament it was prophesied over and over that Gentiles
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would enter into Israel in the new covenant more than
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that in the old covenant Gentiles were able to enter into Israel then through
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the through circumcision the keeping of the law or if it was a woman through
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marriage but Gentiles coming into the covenant
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relationship with God in Israel is not a
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New Testament New Covenant phenomenon it's something that is seen all
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throughout the Bible and I think to start off in order for people to truly
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understand the relationship between old covenant
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Israel and the new covenant church we first in order for anybody to
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understand the mystery itself or revelation of the mystery that the
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apostles and all disciples of Jesus Christ are now able to understand we see
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this in all throughout Paul's letters and in the gospels you know Jesus opened
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up the minds of the disciples and they were able to understand the mystery that
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was prophesied by the prophets but when they prophesied what God gave them to
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say they still did not understand the mystery in which they were prophesying
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you know and it wasn't understood all throughout history either this is why a
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lot of the Jewish people did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah because
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they didn't understand the mystery and they were looking for you know a physical king and a physical
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nation and they still are to this day for the most part and that's one of the
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big problems that we as Christians when witnessing to
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um those who are quote unquote Jews
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physical Jews that's one of the hurdles that we have to get over however
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um the first thing we need to look at and understand is God's right to
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choose the way that he fulfills his sovereign
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promise god has always had the prerogative and shown the
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prerogative all throughout history in the Old Testament his prerogative to
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limit the blessings and limit who he used to
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fulfilled to fulfill his promises like for instance the promise was originally
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made to Abraham right well normally the
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firstborn son would get the inheritance so you would think that Abraham's
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firstborn son Ishmael would have been who God would have chosen to uh fulfill
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the promise he made to Abraham to and he did make a separate promise concerning
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Ishmael and he fulfilled that promise but
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God had chosen from the time he made the promise that he was going to fulfill it
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through Isaac not through Ishmael the firstborn but through the seed of
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promise that came through Sarah and not Hagar and although this is first seen in
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Genesis we see it clearly portrayed in the New Testament in Galatians in
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chapter 3 it goes back to the Old Testament and also um in Romans but
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first God uh used his sovereign right to choose how and who he used to fulfill
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his promise first in Isaac and that's different i just I just want to say something real quick that's we what we
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believe is different than how the Calvinists would use sovereignty and I would I do want I do
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want to put that in there trust me I I I I was going to to point that out that
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this is not election um in the sense that Tulip and the
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Calvinists use it you know this is free will but this is God's sovereign
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um choice of who he fulfills the the promises through and he's different in
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salvation exactly where Calvinists conflate the two
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exactly and it's of course ultimately we'll see that it was God's prerogative to fulfill
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his promise through his son is where I'm getting to you know first it was changed
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from Ishmael to Isaac isaac has twins you know he has Jacob and Esau esau was
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actually the firstborn but he gave up his birthight and which which which in Malachi you
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know were the were the Romans later on that Paul quotes from that the Calvinists use as uh Jacob whom I loved
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Esau whom I hated um that's talking about you know the that's talking about
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Jacob uh uh representing the nation uh
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of Israel at the time and Esau representing the Gentile nations and then hate doesn't necessarily mean that
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God hated them it means you know pretty much a greater choice
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and it actually um what Paul is showing is God's sovereignty to choose yes and
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he he actually shows that um and in the
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New Testament when he says you know Jake is Jacob I have loved Esau I have hated
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um he's showing the the seed of promise ultimately being Jesus he's showing you
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know Israel ultimately being fulfilled in the one
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seed you know it was originally uh prophesied in Genesis 3 the seed of the
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woman that would come and that is truly what the election was about in the Old
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Testament when God chose out of the nations um Abraham to make his covenant with and
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ultimately chose a people for himself out of the nations we need to understand what they
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were chosen for and the Bible in the New Testament tells us as clear as can be
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what they were chosen for because that's what people get hung up on
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is that Paul says in Romans chapter nine how um you know they are and I'm
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paraphrasing but that they are enemies for our sake but um or for the
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gospel but loved for the election And I'll pull it up in front of me in just a
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in just a second but it's actually what Paul is pointing out that
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people get hung up on and what people have to stop getting hung up on is what
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Israel was chosen for they were chosen to be who God brought salvation to the
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whole world through because Jesus Christ they were elected for Jesus to be born
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out of the nation of Israel they were also the nation that would have the or
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who who would have the oracles and know the mysteries paul says you know they they they were chosen they were special
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they were elected but that is not talking about dual covenants you know
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people who want to accuse people who hold to biblical
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theology about Israel and how that there's only one
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message from Genesis to Revelation and that is Jesus and as far as a kingdom
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goes the kingdom of God is preached from all throughout the Old Testament and the
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New Testament yep it it's always about faith you know when when Paul talks
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about how Elijah was complaining to to God how you know um they had killed the
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prophets and he alone was left and and God tells
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him "No there is still a remnant that remains by faith it has always been by
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fate god has never you know delighted in the blood of rams and bulls and it's
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only been through faith that people have been able to be right with God and
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and the kingdom or Israel you know we
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see through I've got scripture after scripture that I uh
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actually wrote down for us to look at and if we look in Ephesians I mean we've
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got Colossians chapter 1 we've got Ephesians chapter 1 Ephesians chapter 2
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Ephesians chapter 3 Romans 9 through11 um not you know in Romans 9 6-9 Paul
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says that not all who are in Israel are Israel but in Isaac
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shall the seed be i don't have it in front of me but I'm about to but in
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Isaac the seed shall be called um and that is a reference to Christ and
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anyone who comes in through Christ be they Jew or Gentile male or female is in
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Israel paul clearly tells us and Jesus clearly told us and it may be one of the
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best places to start is Matthew 21:43 where Jesus is uh talking to the
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Jewish people he's actually talking to the uh um religious leaders the scribes
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and the Pharisees but they represent the non-believing Jews any non-believing
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Jews and he says that the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a
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people bearing the fruits of it and the people he's talking about some
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some um Bible uh translations say nation instead of
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people but the the people the nation the actual word there is ethnos
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and the ethnos that Jesus is talking about is people from all nations Jew by
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the flesh or gentile by the flesh who have believed and chosen to follow Jesus
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Christ because you know we don't have you know belief salvation doesn't come
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through belief in the mind it doesn't happen in the mind um the biblical
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definition of faith always implies
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action even if you just t are talking about repentance
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that's an action you know um to repent of your sins and you know take up your
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cross and follow Christ is an action faith in the the biblical sense of the
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word is an action but the thing that dispensationalist especially midacts
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dispensationalist those who say that um the gospels and
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um uh Paul's letters except for I can't
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remember which letters but it starts in mid Acts and there are a few letters
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that exclude James Peter anything not written by Paul is excluded they they
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say that those are written to the Jews physical Jews and it's Paul's letters
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that we are to follow but the thing is you can just take Romans and come up with the very same
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thing that Jesus taught in the Gospels i mean it's not different the only difference is people are using the lens
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of dispensationalism and Christian Zionism to interpret Paul and Paul is
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hard to understand as Peter points out but there are lit I mean the the the Old
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Testament and the New Testament are littered with scriptures that
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prophesy a new covenant that would include all mankind
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everyone would have the ability to be reconciled with God and the scripture
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even tells us that it is the heavenly Jerusalem the Jerusalem above that
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matters it's not the patch of dirt in the Middle East that God is worried about you know a lot of people get hung
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up on the land itself because of dispensational end times theology you
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asked the question earlier or made a statement earlier about are we living in the end times and the the answer is yes
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the Bible says we've been living in the end times since the first century that's true and you you know it's just a matter
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of God's being slow to wrath not wanting any to perish but the scriptures are
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very clear that regardless to whether you are Jew or Gentile you must be
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grafted into Israel to the olive tree whether you were born a Jew and
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broken off because of unbelief in Christ or you were born a Gentile and were
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never a part of the olive tree originally to begin with either way
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you're not on the olive tree and you must be grafted into it and the only way
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to be adopted to be grafted in is through Jesus Christ
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and unfortunately the people that I truly just don't understand are those
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who will agree with everything I just said and everything you've pointed out
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but still say "Yeah but yeah but there
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uh the Israel of God is different than the nation of
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Israel." Well um yeah I guess they are if you're talking about in you know who
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their bloodline is you know the the Israel of God is also different than the
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Romans or the Chinese but God's
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election not Calvinist election but God's choosing a people for his name as
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scripture says is done for a reason and we must look at
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what that reason is in the Old Testament the reason the people were chosen was to
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be a light to the nations a light to the Gentiles
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to be a nation of priests and kings and now we're supposed to be a light unto
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the world exactly now we're supposed to be a light unto the whole world and what does it
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say though the same thing that the Old Testament Israel was supposed to be and
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that is a nation of priests and kings the difference is we're now no longer a
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nation of priests after the order of Levi but we're under the high priest the
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high priest from the order of Mechisedc and there is just too many New
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Testament scriptures that literally are just quoting Old Testament
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scriptures that show without a doubt that God has had one mission and one
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plan from before the foundation of the world the mystery that we see fulfilled
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in Acts 13:26 um the gospel fulfilled is the mystery
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the revelation of that mystery is Jesus Christ you know the majority of Israel
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rejected Jesus because they didn't understand the mystery the mystery that was foretold by
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the prophets that the prophets themselves did not understand while they
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were prophesying it but we can see clearly in scripture that
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Jesus opened the minds of you know his disciples and he revealed that there is
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no longer a physical nation of Israel but that that people would be born into
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but that there would be one body of Jesus Christ made up of Jews and
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Gentiles and in Colossians 1:24 we see that Jesus body is the
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church you know this mystery that is revealed to the
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saints includes all people in Christ if they make the decision
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to believe on Christ and follow him they must have faith
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and be obedient in following him you know Jesus says that we must die to
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ourselves daily take up our cross and follow him and you know that that mystery has now
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been revealed not just in the apostles the the twel apostles but in all
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disciples of Christ all nations can now enter Israel through Christ
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and the thing that we need to understand in helping people to see this is who are
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the children of promise you know going back to the Old Testament God had the
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prerogative to choose who he would fulfill the promise through you know he
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chose to fulfill it through you know uh through Isaac rather
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than Ishmael then he chose to fulfill it through Jacob rather than Esau
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and then in ultimately in the new covenant he has used his ultimate
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authority and prerogative to choose once again to make his son Jesus
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Christ the heir and sovereign seed he is
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the seed of promise and you know whether people like it or
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not it's God's prerogative to limit his blessings and it was limited to
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Jesus which opened it to all people
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in the new covenant when Jesus died and then rose again you know that is the
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mystery of the gospel
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yes 100% and I mean you know I don't see how people could not see that
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um clear as day that now that they've had a
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um progressive revelation which is still going on because Revelation in of itself
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and the tribulation is still um has not come to its full fruition yet
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we're not living on the new heaven on the new earth uh that you know God has
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always what he's asked of people and what he's promised has never
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changed okay we were always saved by God's grace the grace that he shows us
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through our faith through our belief um and that's something you know some uh
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dispensationalists will say that during the quoteunquote age of the law that they went to paradise because they they
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kept God's law and it's like no it's because they believed and they had faith and that's why they kept God's law all
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right absolutely you know that those who didn't have faith didn't see the
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promised land right i mean they they weren't allowed even Moses wasn't allowed into the promised land
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so I I don't see how that you know that how that's not clear i mean we even see that you know like you said and it was
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brilliantly put you know the apostles you know didn't even realize what when
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Jesus walked the earth uh you know fully that he was the Messiah uh and it's the
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same um as um you know a lot of you know Jesus's family members um and a lot of
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people that were around him during his earthly ministry um and it wasn't until his death burial resurrection it wasn't
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even till Pentecost uh that they had fully realized
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um uh uh you know and they were filled with the Holy Spirit of of of when the full revelation was given to
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them that Jesus Christ was the Messiah um and so you know we see um the mystery
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being revealed throughout different you know we hindsight's 2020 right so we have the full you know Bible completed
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Bible in front of us and we can look back and go okay so this part here was when another part was revealed it's like
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a It's like a picture right or a puzzle you know so this part here you know God revealed it this part here God revealed
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it and so you know and it still hasn't been completed yet but I don't see how anybody can't see that what God has
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required of people what God has promised you know those
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things are you know unchanging as far as God does not
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lie okay okay when they when the Bible says that God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow it's the full nature
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of God you know what embodies God who he is and the promises that he fulfills god
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doesn't go back on his word he never has and never will and so it's funny though
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that's actually what you just said is what people misunderstand and what
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dispensationalist and those who believe falsely about the old covenant
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Israel what you just said is exactly what they use they they But they don't
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But thing is they don't understand it though they don't get it that's right it's that God doesn't lie is what it
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means it's not that Good no oh go ahead i was going to say but they but they don't they don't they can't for some
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reason they can't under they also I mean it's to say with the Calvinists and the way they look at is
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God being ultimately sovereign you know being king lord which he is from that standpoint but from their belief of
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ultimate sovereignty is that God doesn't have emotions god is is immovable you
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know and and and so they look at it kind of like the same way in that regard too right and it's not when when when when
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Paul in Hebrews wrote "God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow." It's the
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nature of God and God's promises and what God
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fulfills and people just don't understand that and it's clear as day to me when you
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read the Bible it's clear as day it absolutely is the the promises first of
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all there were promises originally made to Abraham and then there were promises
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made you know to the people at Sinai the covenant that was signed at Sinai but if
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you look at Sinai you see a perfect picture of God's prerogative to change
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his covenant anytime he wants to and or change how he fulfills his
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promises but his promises he are never changed in that he's not a liar right
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absolutely um but see we tend to put our own
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um stipulations on or take away God's stipulations on those promises in every
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instance every single one God put an if he put the word if
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after the promise and if the people didn't fulfill the if
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then the promise would still be fulfilled but they would not be a part
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of the fulfillment you know when Moses came down from Mount Si God was
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literally ready to wipe out all of them and fulfill his promise through Moses he
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was going to start you know a new people through Moses it would have still been fulfilling his promise to
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Abraham and but it would have been his prerogative
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to fulfill it the way he wanted to of course Moses
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um spoke on behalf of the children of Israel but there were still thousands
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who were killed but if we look in Ephesians chapter 3 um Paul says this in
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talking about the the revelation of the mystery um Paul says "For this reason I
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Paul the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles," so we know
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he's talking to Gentiles if indeed you have heard of the
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stewardship of God's grace which was given to me for you that by revelation
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there was made known to me the mystery as I wrote before to you in
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brief by referring to this when you read you can
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understand my insight into the mystery of Christ and this is the important part
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which in other generations was not made known to the
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sons of men as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets in the
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Holy Spirit to be specific that the
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Gentiles are fellows of the promise and fellow
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members of the body and fellow partakers in Christ Jesus through the
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gospel of which I was made a minister according to the gift of God's grace
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which was given to me according to the working of his power to me the very
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least of all saints this grace was given to preach to the Gentiles the
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unfathomable riches of Christ and to bring to light what is the
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administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created
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all things so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through
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the church to the rulers and authority in heavenly
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places this was in accordance with the eternal purpose from the foundation of
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the world which he carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord and you can keep reading
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through Ephesians 3 there and he continues saying the same thing he never
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changes and it's actually one thought from
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Ephesians 1 on through you know you get to Ephesians 6 and then of course you
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have literally a parable from Paul of how
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to live the same way Jesus taught in the
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sermon on the mount um you know Ephesians 6 the whole armor of God is a
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lifestyle and if you literally live the way Jesus
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teaches in Matthew 5 through7 then you are also living the lifestyle Paul
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teaches in Ephesians 6 yeah but this is just one of many places where the
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mystery and the revelation of the mystery is talked about and that mystery
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has always been and even though it was just fulfilled in the new covenant it has
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always been that Jesus Christ the gospel that Jesus Christ would open up the
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kingdom of God the kingdom of heaven to all people and you know Ephesians 2 we see the very
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same thing it is one of my favorite um chapters to show people who believe
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that God is somehow that the election of
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physical Israel is a covenant in and of itself
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that God chose them because they had special blood or something um you know
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or that God is somehow all of a sudden a respector of persons but the thing is
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they think that he's always been a respector of persons when the truth is that he chose
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Israel to represent him exactly that's why he chose Israel he chose them and
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yes they constantly disobeyed him the remnant there was always a remnant that did not but there but but in mass they
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constantly disobeyed him constantly they were being a harlot okay and again
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they survived off the promises made to their fathers yes i I I mean I just don't see I don't
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see how I I mean um in closing I do got to go brother i'm sorry but I I I don't
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see I I don't see how like I you know I studied
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dispensationalism to try to understand it um and you know I studied like when I
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studied the different forms of esquetology right so I studied dispensationalism or um covenant
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theology or uh super secessionism is what they want to call it now they're the wrong by the way and so yes so they
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you know the labels that they put and everything right and the the different labels that they put on um and and I I
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realized that there were like you said there were errors in all of what was presented um and I just don't understand
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why people can't see that clearly uh you
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know I I just I don't know i mean dispensationalism to me it's it doesn't
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make any sense it doesn't make any sense replacement theology though I have issues with it does i mean it makes more
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sense well it there both are man-made terms and it's not that
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You know those who believe in uh dual covenant theology like to use the term
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replacement theology for what I believe but that is not even close to what I believe yeah yeah or you know it's just
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that it's not that the church has replaced a physical people it's
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that the promise that was made is now open to
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anyone who will come through Christ you know the the kingdom of God has always
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been the mission has always been and has always been open to those who will humble themselves and believe and have
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faith into the Lord um but now we have the complete picture the complete
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fulfillment through Christ which is why now if a believer dies they go to heaven compared to when a believer died before
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Jesus Christ they went to paradise um and and now we are able to enter the
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kingdom of God and we now are are are um you know more heirs to the to the to the
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promise um but those won't be completely fulfilled until you know uh the events
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of re the book of Revelation play out and the new you know we're in our incorruptible bodies and uh new Jerusalem and and and and that's what'll
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be completely fulfilled uh in the new earth um but I just don't see how just
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dispensationalism to me just leads to bad theology and to bad doctrine and um
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just as much as if you know um the the basic term of super secessionism
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uh that you know just the way that that it's put forth um can lead people to
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amillennialism and postmillennialism too uh uh so you know it's something that we
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have to be as Bereans and as you know um watch women and watchmen on the wall for
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Christ we have to politely engage with believers of these types of false doctrines uh which are going to lead
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people astray into I believe the coming tribulation yeah well for myself um one thing that I
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used to be very dogmatic on is the end times i'm no longer dogmatic on the end
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times other than uh I have
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now stolen a saying from someone else and that is that I reserve the right to
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admit I was wrong because I have been you know just
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completely convinced that I had something figured out only to see
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absolutely that I was wrong about it so you know which God will show us yeah i'm
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not dogmatic on the end times except for on things that I believe are dangerous
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like I mean I'm sure you would Yeah full predtoism all millennialism postmillennialism yeah yeah
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dispensationalism is false but I don't believe that it is
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dangerous like say full predtoism is or dominionism yes but I do I do have very
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deep prejudices for the doctrine of dispensational agreed yes um but not the
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people who who hold it i just want them to be set free from that bondage yes um
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believe it or not as much as I disagree with them the people who come the closest to having the correct theology
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um are the Hebrew roots people um now they take it too far of course um in
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believing that that you must keep the the old covenant law but as as far as if
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they just realize that we all have the
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ability to come into Israel which they do and that it's we do have a law that
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we have to follow the law of Christ if if they saw that instead of
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you know the law of Moses the Torah yeah and and that's why I say they come the
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closest to having it right but they're still wrong you know it doesn't doesn't really matter how close you come if
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you're still believing but I would argue that their doctrine leads more people astray than dispensation does
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well you know actually the two are they they don't like each other but they
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believe a lot of the same things well yes but the Hebrew roots people I've seen they tend to lead
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people you know people eventually deny Jesus that that's the that is the the
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danger is um I guess I didn't make myself clear because there are there are
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so many different facets of I gota go thank you for coming on with me I love
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you God bless you talk to you
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later well Brother John had to go so I'm
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going to hopefully be able to finish the recording on my own because I do have a
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couple more scriptures and points that I want to point out i want to thank brother John for coming on i want to
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thank brother Jeremy for coming on last night and this is going to be one episode of course what Jeremy and I
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recorded last night and what John and I have recorded today but I want to look
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really quick at um just to
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prove that Israel is what was
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foretold israel is now open to all people if they would just accept and
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follow Jesus Christ and that God no longer
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um has a covenant with anyone based
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on the law of Moses based on their um genealogy
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i just want to show the sheer amount of
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scriptures throughout the New Testament in the
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epistles and I want to show how Romans 9 through11 teach one clear thing and that
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you can't take because a lot of people like to take Romans 11
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and see where Paul talks about
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the Jewish people being partially blinded
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um but that their eyes would eventually be opened And instead of trying to uh
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quote it on my own I'm just going to I'm going to go to the scriptures myself right now and before we go to Romans 11
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I want to go to Romans chapter
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16 sorry I'm using my Bible on my phone um 16 let's Let's look here
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um Paul
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says "Now according to him who is able to establish you according to my gospel
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and the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery." So again we're looking at the
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revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for ages past but now is
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manifested and by the scriptures of the prophets according to the commandment of
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the eternal God has been made made known to all the nations leading to
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obedience through faith to the only wise God through Jesus Christ be the glory
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forever amen so we see that the
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mystery is now
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open to all people even though it was in times
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past kept secret and we also see again in
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Romans chap 9-11 which is what I want to look at
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here because it's literally one narrative all the way
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through romans chapter nine says "I am telling
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the truth in Christ i am not lying my conscience testifies with me in the Holy
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Spirit that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart for I wish
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that I myself were accursed separated from Christ for the
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sake of my brethren my kinsmen according to the flesh." So Paul shows off the bat
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that he's talking about his kinsmen according to the
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flesh who are Israelites to whom belong the adoption as
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sons and the glory and the covenant
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so they are Israelites and what belongs to them in
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other words what they were elected for
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is the covenants the old covenant the giving of the law the
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glory and the temple service and the promise promises who are
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the fathers and from whom is the Christ according to the
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flesh who is over all God blessed forever
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amen so Paul tells us in the beginning in Romans nine what Israel was chosen
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for they were chosen to have the covenants of the
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law the giving of the law the temple service priests and kings as we pointed
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out before and who would ultimately be
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fulfilled in Christ so Jesus is the fulfillment of the promise
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jesus is the seed of promise here's the important part that I
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want you to pay attention to cha uh still in chapter 9 verse
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6 but it is not as though the word of God has
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failed so even though God made all these promises made the
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covenants and sent his son
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Just like Jesus said in Matthew
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21:43 it is not as though Paul tells us here it's not as though God has failed
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because they are not all Israel who are descended from
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Israel nor are they all children because They are
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Abraham's seed but through
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Isaac your seed will be called that is it is not the children of
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the flesh who are the children of God it can't get much plainer than that
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it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God but the children
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of the promise are regarded as descendants for this is the word of
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promise at this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son and not only this
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but there was Rebecca also when she had conceived twins by one man our father
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Isaac for through the twins were not for though the twins were not yet born and
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had not done anything good or bad so that God's purpose according to his
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choice would stand not because of works but because of
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him who calls it was said to her "The
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older will serve the younger just as it is written Jacob I have loved but Esau I
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have hated." Now God isn't saying here that he hates Esau like you know
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despises him he's talking about the fulfillment of his promises he has
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chosen Jacob to fulfill the promise not Esau what shall we say then there is no
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injustice with God is there god
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forbid for he says to Moses I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I
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will have compassion on whom I will have compassion just as I was saying earlier
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God has his sovereign right to
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choose who and how he fulfills his promises
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so then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs but on God
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who has mercy for the scripture says to Pharaoh "For this very purpose I raised
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you up to demonstrate my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed
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throughout the whole earth." So then he has mercy on whom he desires
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and he hardens whom he desires you will say to me then why does
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he still find fault for who resists his will on the
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contrary who are you oh man who answers back to
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God the thing molded will not say to the molder in other words the clay will not
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say to the potter "Why did you make me like this?" Will it or does not the
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potter have a ride over the clay to make from the same lump one vessel for
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honor and another for common use what if God
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although willing to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known
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endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for
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destruction and he did so to make known the riches of his glory upon the vessels
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of mercy which he prepared beforehand for glory even us whom he also called
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not from among the Jews only but also from among the
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Gentiles just as he foretold in Hosea
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see way back in the Old Testament this is the mystery the prophets foretold it
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although they did not understand how it would be
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fulfilled in Hosea God said "I will call
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those who were not my people my people and her who was not
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beloved I will call beloved and it shall be in the place where it was said to
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them "You are not my people there they shall be called
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sons of the living God." Isaiah cries out concerning Israel "Though the number
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of the sons of Israel be like the sand of the sea only a remnant it is that will be
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saved for the Lord will execute his word on the earth thoroughly and quickly and
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just as Isaiah foretold unless the Lord
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of Sabbath had left us to aposterity he would have become like we
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or excuse me we would have become like Sodom and we would have resembled
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Gomorrah what shall we say then that Gentiles who did not pursue
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righteousness attained righteousness even the righteousness which is by faith but
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Israel who was pursuing a law of righteousness did not
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attain that law why because they did not pursue it by
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faith but they did so as though it were by their own works they stumbled over
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the stumbling stone who is the stumbling stone jesus
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Christ and last night with brother Jeremy we read the
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scripture where Jesus talks about being the stumbling block but it says here
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"Behold I lay in Zion a stumbling block and a rock of
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offense and he who believes in him will not be disappointed."
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And in Romans chapter 10 I'm going to sum it up for you and ask you to read it
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on your own because we have to close out this episode but it's about the word of
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faith bringing salvation it is faith that brings
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salvation and in chapter 11 we see that Israel has
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not been cast away no because a remnant
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remains so instead of being cast away God chose to fulfill his
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promise and the revelation of the mystery of that promise is that Israel
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is now opened up to all people Jews and Gentiles alike and
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therefore all Israel will be saved when the fullness
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of the Gentiles come into Israel
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then all Israel will be saved not all
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Israelites of the flesh who have ever lived or who are alive but when the
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fullness of the believing Gentiles join the fullness of the
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believing Jews of the flesh those
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together make up all Israel
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and when they come together it is then that all Israel will be
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saved so remember that
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and I love you guys i thank you for joining us on this edition of the
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Remnant Report until next time for Kingdom Productions and Publishing and
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the Kingdom Productions Network I am Pastor Jeremy Anderson the Remnant
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Warrior saying good night grace and peace