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Kent Rollins
Cowboy Cooking, Cast Iron, Outdoor Cooking, Grilling, Dutch Oven Cooking
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for this episode. We're going to get
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into it.
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>> Uh
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>> oh.
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>> This is a big one, guys. I do not have a
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passion for cooking. Surprise.
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>> I didn't know that.
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>> You did know that. So, you know, when
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you're at your job and you go home and
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you can talk about your horrible
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coworker to your spouse, right? We can't
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really do that.
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>> No, ma'am. Gosh, I think she's fixing to
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give her two weeks notice again. I
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really do. [laughter]
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>> [music]
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>> Howdy. My name is Kent Rollins. I've
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been a cowboy and a chuck wagon cook for
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over 30 years, cooking for ranches all
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across [music] America. You might have
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seen me on the Food Network or alongside
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my beautiful wife, Shannon, on our
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YouTube show, where we share cowboy
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cooking from the trail. [music] But now,
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we're going to take you behind the
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scenes to real campfire conversations.
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[music] Join us as we share humor,
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cowboy wisdom, and stories full of
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history, heart, faith, and of course, a
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little fire. So, grab you a cup of
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coffee, [music] pull up a chair, and
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welcome to the podcast.
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[music]
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Hey, we thank y'all so much for joining
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us. And it may look a little different
1:14
today, but I decided I'd wear a short
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sleeve shirt and a cap. Uh-huh.
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>> Don't be fooled. This still is Cowboy
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Kent. I'm looking swab and debonire.
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Yes. But we thank y'all so much for
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taking time out of your busy day to join
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us. And we had such a great response
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from our cowboy really coffee episode.
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Why do people drink coffee? You know,
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there were so many comments.
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>> And I told him in that episode, I said,
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you know, to really to make the best
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coffee ever, you got to have the best
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water. You know, that's that's all the
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difference in the world of water. And
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this lady commented and she said, "Oh,
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that's so true with coffee, but also
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with your hummingbird feeders." She said
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she was just using her regular tap water
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and then she got to buying bottled
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water, you know, to steal and pour it in
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there. And she said she had more
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hummingbirds than ever. So, if you will
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make good coffee with good water, all
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the neighbors will come over and have
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coffee.
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>> And the hummingbirds.
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>> Yes.
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>> That's a fun fact.
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>> Yeah. I mean, pancakes and sausage are
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sweet. Hummingbirds like them, too.
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>> I don't know. Well, so for this episode,
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we're going to get into it. Uh
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>> oh.
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>> This is a big one, guys. So, you know,
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when you're at your job and you're maybe
2:25
having a tough day and you go home and
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you can talk about your horrible
2:30
coworker to your spouse, right? We can't
2:33
really do that.
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>> No, ma'am. You can't. When the job is
2:38
over, you can't go in there and sit down
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at the kitchen table and say, "Boy,
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there's this lady at work today and she
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drove me crazy." [laughter]
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You can't say that.
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>> No. But we have just celebrated 15
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years.
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>> Yes.
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>> So, we thought, hey, let's recap. We're
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going to go back. We're going to talk
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about the things that we've learned over
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15 years, not only of marriage, but also
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working together. the highs, the lows,
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what we've learned, and maybe give a
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little wisdom. Yeah. Of the things that
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that have gone on over 15 wonderful
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years.
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>> First of all, we're not marriage
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counselors and we're not an expert.
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>> Yes. Can we just disclaimer this?
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>> There was a old man told me on a ranch
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one time, he said, "Everybody uses that
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word expert."
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>> Please see professional advice.
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>> You know what expert is?
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>> What?
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>> An X ex
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>> Yeah.
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>> is something that used to be.
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>> Oh.
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>> And a spurt is just a little spit. Oh,
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>> so I'm just going to be regular old me.
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>> Let me get right into it and ask you a
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question.
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>> All right.
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>> Should spouses work together?
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>> This is a loaded question, folks. I
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guarantee [laughter] you it is.
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>> Remember, you're sitting next to your
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spouse and your coworker.
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>> Um,
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that's a really hard question. It is.
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Uh, it works for us. Uh,
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because I think it's something that we
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both have in our hearts that we want to
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do. If you're a married couple or you
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want to work together, is what you're
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working on a goal for both of you or is
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it one have more influence than the
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other? Is one going to be packing more
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load than the other? You got to figure
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all them things out. If it's not in your
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heart, you haven't prayed about it
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together and you don't think it's a
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great fit, I would say one of you might
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ought to go get a 8 toive job, another
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stay at home cook.
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>> That is a good point. I think you do
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have to have equal passion for it.
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>> Oh, yes. because the more you get into
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it that will come through more and more.
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>> What was interesting is during co of
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course everybody's shut down,
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everybody's at home and we had a lot of
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people writing to us like, "Oh, I, you
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know, this is really hard. Our house got
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so small. I'm with my husband all the
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time. He's driving me crazy." And
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ironically, we did not have that.
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>> No, I'm glad we didn't
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>> because we were already together 24/7
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before CO even hit. So, we didn't really
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feel that. But I I'm not saying this to
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say like, hey, if you aren't with your
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spouse 247 and it isn't just wonderful
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all the time, you have a bad marriage.
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That is absolutely not the case. I think
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it's just very personal and specific to
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each marriage individually, don't you
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think?
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>> Yeah. It's like hooking up a team to the
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wagon. Everybody's got to pull their
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load and they got to go down the same
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trail and know where they're going. You
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can't say, "Well, you know, I'm we're
5:24
going to do a fishing episode." And your
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wife say, "Well, I don't like to fish."
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say, "Well, we'll use you for bait." You
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[laughter] know, uh you got it's got to
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be a passion.
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>> Yeah. So, let's just start kind of go
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back to the beginning. Okay.
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>> Like, how did this start for us? Because
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it didn't start off intentionally as
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like a business strategy for us, I don't
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think. Right. No,
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>> it started off with someone falling in
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love with someone.
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>> And uh you were the easiest person I've
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ever fell in love with in my life.
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>> Can you say that 15 years later?
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>> I still can. I say it every day. When I
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get up, folks, every morning, I say,
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"Thank you, God, for letting me wake up
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beside a beautiful woman, the dogs don't
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bite, and the firewood's dry." You know,
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I'm blessed more than I ever deserve.
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But I think when it first started out,
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you
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>> I was jobless. Yes,
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>> that was a, you know, really
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>> I think the working together started out
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of necessity. Really?
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>> Uh, [clears throat] yeah, because I I
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was in between jobs. My job was
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horrible. I was living in Denver. Um, I
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had worked with a company that was going
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bankrupt. They weren't paying us. I
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didn't know what to do. And you said
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like, "Hey, well, it it was it was
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coming in on summertime."
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>> Yeah. June. And you said, "Well, you
6:45
know, catering kind of picks up during
6:48
this time. People doing weddings or
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barbecue, family gettogethers. You can
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come down and help me until you figure
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out what you're doing with your life."
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>> Yeah. I didn't even charge no rent, you
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know.
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>> No.
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>> But, uh,
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>> but it was free labor. [laughter]
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>> Well, yeah, but it was a skill, too,
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that I was teaching.
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>> That's true.
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>> You know, I I've been doing this for a
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long time before you come along.
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>> Yeah. And I knew just in the times that
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I'd met you and been around you and I'd
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already fell in love with you that you
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were a worker. You you had a you had a
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passion in you to always want to do
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better every day. And I think it takes
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that from both sides. But there was so
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much we had in common. Uh people might
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not have realized it. Like I say, you
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didn't have a job. I needed some help.
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But also, I needed a support system. I
7:41
needed that love. I needed that trust. I
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needed someone that was a partner that
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would work beside me day in day out
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>> and always go.
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>> Well, you So, at that point, you didn't
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really have help. No,
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>> you did most deals by yourself,
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especially like the ranch cooking you
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did all yourself. Uh events, gosh, maybe
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even up to like a hundred people
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sometimes you were doing by yourself.
8:03
You you found like different tricks to
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to do that. And so, but you were wanting
8:10
you wanting help, but I think more than
8:12
that, you wanted companionship because
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cooking by yourself gets lonely.
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>> Yeah. And especially all that driving,
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too. Yeah.
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>> You know, you spend a lot of time on the
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road. Uh it's not just one of them deals
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where somebody say, "Hey, I want you to
8:23
come and cook for 100 people and you
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just go there that day and then you go
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home." There's stuff you have to do to
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get ready to prepare for that. Then you
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go over there, you unload, you set
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everything up, then you load back up,
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then you drive back home. And it was
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it's good to have a cope of it.
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>> So we started this off um not
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necessarily
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thinking like oh okay we have this
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business plan.
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>> I don't know if we even had a plan.
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>> We did not have a plan at all. I think
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our plan was just like get money in the
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bank surv we we we were in survival
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mode. And I know a lot of you know
8:55
exactly what we're talking about. You
8:57
may even be in that moment right now
8:59
where you just have your head down and
9:03
you're just going the phone rings. you
9:04
pick it up and you take the job. And we
9:07
were taking every job we could. We were
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driving a ton. Um, and for me it was
9:15
fine because this was all new to me.
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>> So, it was new and exciting and I didn't
9:20
mind the drive and and it's hard like
9:22
you're packing up all this stuff.
9:24
Everything we own is hot and heavy.
9:27
Bertha, our wood stove, like and you're
9:29
hauling this wagon behind you
9:31
everywhere. at that point like were you
9:34
burnt out at that point?
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>> No, there there was a time uh before you
9:39
come along that
9:41
all I knew was work.
9:43
>> Yes.
9:43
>> You know, uh 18 19our days and I took
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every job even if I could just clear
9:49
$50,
9:50
>> you know, to try to make a living to get
9:51
by. But when when you came along and we
9:55
were together, it was like getting
9:57
plugged into the recharge system. I had
10:00
someone there beside me, someone who
10:03
shared I think we might have had a dream
10:05
of what this become. I don't think we
10:07
had any kind of business plan at the
10:09
time. It was just
10:10
>> let's go do this. Let's make it better.
10:12
But you always had this I think in your
10:15
mind,
10:17
>> what can we do that can make this better
10:20
and easier?
10:21
>> Yeah.
10:21
>> And she told me one time and it it hurt
10:23
my feelings really bad. She she said,
10:26
"You got to work smarter, not harder."
10:30
And that was really hard for me to
10:31
figure out coming from a place to where
10:34
you never turned down a job. You worked
10:37
19 hours a day.
10:39
>> Uh I didn't know there were shortcuts,
10:41
you know, and if you can find that
10:43
business partner that can not only help
10:46
you with the job you're doing, but
10:48
mentally get in your head and say, "Hey,
10:51
let's try this." No one had told me or
10:53
been beside me to say, "Hey, I think we
10:55
could do this and do better."
10:56
>> You know, I would just go and think,
10:58
"I'm going to do this. I'm going to get
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paid. I'm going to go to the next."
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>> Yeah. I think so. With your your job at
11:04
the time, it was all cooking and it was
11:08
just driving and cooking, whether it was
11:09
on a ranch and working, you know, a few
11:11
weeks during their spring and fall works
11:13
or you're doing catering for weddings,
11:16
corporate events, birthday parties,
11:17
things like that. That was exclusively
11:20
the business. Yeah.
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>> And for a while when I came on that's we
11:24
still did that because one I first of
11:27
all I had to learn how to cook.
11:28
>> Yeah.
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>> Not only that I had to learn how to cook
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outdoors. No electricity, no running
11:35
water.
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>> We had that when it rained.
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>> Yeah. And figuring out how to control a
11:40
Dutch oven and coals and heat. So this
11:42
was like a totally new experience for
11:44
me. Do you remember and I want I want to
11:48
stress this to you all. Uh
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>> oh.
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There is a theme in our business and
11:53
it's kind of trial by fire and you just
11:56
figure things out as they're thrown at
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you. And my first catering job, do you
12:01
remember this?
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>> Yes.
12:03
>> Why don't you tell the folks listening
12:05
my first catering job?
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>> Well, we'd been together about a month
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and a half
12:12
>> physically together. Yeah. Like that I
12:14
had come down and I was I was working on
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the wagon. Okay. And we got I got these
12:18
people call me from up around right
12:20
north Oklahoma City and they said, 'Hey,
12:22
we're having big family reunion, Fourth
12:23
of July celebration, Kent. You used to
12:26
cook for us all the time. I need you to
12:27
come back up there and cook. There'd be
12:28
about 200 of us. And I said, ain't no
12:31
problem. Got her done. You know, I got
12:33
help now. [laughter] So,
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>> let's let's put that in quotes. Help.
12:37
>> So, there's two things that she had
12:40
never done at this time. One was feed
12:43
that many people
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>> and two work in a 100 degree temperature
12:47
with the humidity that's like 75%. So
12:50
>> or really cook in a Dutch oven to that
12:53
extent. I had done it a little bit but
12:54
not like that.
12:55
>> So I thought we'll see what this lady is
12:59
made of. I know she can do it. So we set
13:02
the wagon up, got everything going and I
13:05
said here's what we're going to do. I
13:07
got the beans on. I said, "I'm gonna
13:09
cook the steak and I'm gonna make the
13:11
dessert. You're going to be in charge of
13:14
cooking bread. I know you know how. You
13:17
come to cooking school. I've seen you do
13:19
it." I said, "You're going to cook 616s
13:22
full of bread."
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>> Now, when he says 616, that's a 16inch
13:26
Dutch oven. That's the the diameter. 16
13:29
in the diameter. These things are
13:31
massive.
13:32
>> They weigh about 50 lbs. Empty.
13:34
>> Empty. Then you get food in them.
13:35
>> Yeah. And she said, "You're going to
13:37
help me, right?" I said, "Uhhuh."
13:40
>> This is Kent's key teaching style. It's
13:42
like he just throws you to the wolves
13:44
and it's a sink or swim kind of
13:46
situation, which is a good style.
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>> But you knew how.
13:50
>> Yeah. I knew the basics
13:52
>> and I told her, I said, "It's all about
13:54
coal placement and heat management." I
13:57
said, "But one thing we don't do here
14:00
really. There's two. We're not going to
14:01
be late and we're not going to burn the
14:03
bread. Pressure's on you. And I told
14:06
her, I said, "You can start cooking the
14:07
bread a little before I throw all these
14:09
200 steaks on the grill, you know." And
14:11
it was miserable, stinking hot. Wasn't a
14:14
dry piece of clothing on you nowhere.
14:16
You just sweat it out. And I'd look over
14:18
there and she'd be picking these 16inch
14:21
Dutch ovens up with a lid lifter.
14:22
>> And I had I had to straddle these things
14:24
because I'm I'm 5'1.
14:26
>> What?
14:27
>> I'm 5 I'm a solid 5'1. People who
14:29
[laughter] argue against that, you're
14:31
liars cuz I'm 5'1.
14:33
And I'm straddling these things. So, I'm
14:35
already like low to the ground. I have
14:37
short legs. I'm trying to like
14:40
>> open these things up. It was a mess.
14:42
>> But she cooked them six inch ovens full
14:46
of bread. Every one of them to
14:48
perfection. No burnt biscuit.
14:50
>> Really? I don't remember. I blacked out
14:52
at a certain point. I don't remember.
14:54
>> And I told her, I said, "We'll serve the
14:55
crowd. Cool off minute. Clean up. load
14:58
up, drive home. So, everybody eating is
15:02
telling us what a great meal it was and
15:04
I went trying to to go cleaning up. I
15:06
was looking around for my help and my
15:09
help had abandoned ship. I think she I
15:12
my first thought was she's turned in her
15:15
two weeks notice right now and she's
15:17
done left to go back to Elco, Nevada. I
15:19
found out there was an open bar
15:21
>> and [laughter and snorts] I go up I get
15:23
all the stuff done and I go up there to
15:25
this house and there she is visiting
15:27
with these people sitting at the bar in
15:29
the air conditioner.
15:30
>> It was the best place.
15:31
>> Yeah. And I told her I said you all
15:34
right? She said I just had to cool off a
15:36
minute.
15:37
>> Yeah.
15:38
>> Because it's it's something that'll wear
15:40
you down, folks. It really will. Um and
15:43
when you're you're going through it and
15:45
you're looking at it and you think
15:46
everybody thinks, "Hey, this is the best
15:47
food in the world. is so good. There's a
15:50
lot of stress on you really to get it on
15:54
time, make sure it's the greatest thing
15:56
to ever eat, but also the fatigue you
16:00
get just from the factor of that heat
16:01
will wear you out.
16:02
>> I want to say recharge is extremely
16:06
important in a marriage and particularly
16:09
when you're working with your spouse.
16:11
And I will confess we right now at this
16:14
season in our life we are extremely bad
16:17
about recharging.
16:18
>> Yes.
16:19
>> Don't you think?
16:19
>> Oh yeah. We don't ever get to plug in no
16:21
more.
16:22
>> No. Well de unplug.
16:25
>> I know. We need to plug up to the
16:26
charger. Recharge.
16:28
>> Yeah. Yeah. Because um and this happens.
16:31
You just get going and everything's
16:32
happening so fast. And um
16:36
right now we are not taking time to
16:40
unplug, walk away from work a little
16:42
bit. And even if you aren't married to
16:45
your coworker, if you work at home, you
16:49
understand this because there's there
16:52
it's really hard to remove yourself
16:53
because you live at home, you work at
16:56
home. It can just flow together really
17:00
easily. And so the lines get blurred and
17:03
before you know it, you don't know how
17:05
to stop.
17:05
>> Yeah. You get consumed by it all.
17:07
Especially if you're like self-employed
17:09
and at home there. It's not 8 to 5 ever.
17:13
>> Yeah.
17:14
>> You know, you wake up in the morning,
17:16
you go make some coffee, and the first
17:17
thing on your mind is what video comes
17:20
out today? We're going to record a
17:21
podcast today. We got to do Instagram.
17:23
Got to do Facebook. And you don't we
17:25
don't you don't get to shut it off.
17:27
>> Yeah.
17:27
>> I think we need a time clock. would just
17:30
punch in, punch out.
17:31
>> I think I think that would be good.
17:32
>> But I remember when we loaded that wagon
17:36
and we headed back from Oklahoma City,
17:38
driving right down there towards north
17:40
of Witchto Falls, I looked at her and I
17:42
said, "I'm very proud of you. I knew you
17:45
could do it." She said,
17:48
>> "I quit." [laughter]
17:52
>> She said, "It was harder than I thought
17:54
and it was hotter than I thought it
17:56
would ever be." Mhm.
17:57
>> And that wasn't the hottest days we've
18:00
had by far. No, you know, we've cooked
18:02
in worse,
18:03
>> but there's something about this lady,
18:05
y'all. Y'all may not have seen her
18:08
behind I mean behind the camera, but
18:11
when that camera's off, it's the same.
18:13
We're at the wagon.
18:15
She's the greatest cook, hardest working
18:18
woman I've ever known in my life. And
18:19
I'm blessed more than I ever deserve to
18:21
be married and work with my best friend.
18:25
So, happy anniversary. and I love you.
18:27
That's all the gift you're getting.
18:28
[laughter]
18:30
>> You know, when we were talking about the
18:32
roles that we had, so at the beginning
18:35
it was just all cooking. Yeah. Right.
18:37
And so and it was interesting you were
18:41
it was
18:43
>> different because you know for you to
18:45
have been cooking by yourself and you
18:48
know when you do that you have your way
18:50
of doing things. You want things a
18:51
certain way. you know how it all works
18:53
and you let me come in pretty easily and
18:56
kind of
18:57
>> [clears throat]
18:57
>> um take over certain roles.
18:59
>> Yeah. You kept threatening to leave, you
19:01
know.
19:01
>> Well, because so you had you had said
19:05
for the cooking portion, I kind of took
19:08
over the baking.
19:10
>> Yeah.
19:11
>> So, I did the breads and desserts,
19:13
sometimes sides, and then you tend to
19:16
handle more the um main courses, meats,
19:20
proteins, whatever.
19:22
And we got into a rhythm. Yeah. Right.
19:26
>> We knew there was no wasted motion. We
19:29
both knew what we were doing at the
19:31
time. Uh there was never any hesitation
19:33
in either one of us to think, "Oh, I can
19:37
go help him do that or I'll help her do
19:39
that." It's It was smooth. It was like
19:43
good gravy. I mean, it was smooth as
19:45
silk. It was. And you get that
19:49
not only by working hard, but trust.
19:51
>> Yeah.
19:52
>> You You got to have that trust in your
19:54
partner uh that they're not going to let
19:57
you down. They're going to do all
19:58
they're going to do. They're going to do
20:00
their part and part of yours, too, if
20:01
you need be. I always told folks, I've
20:04
never in my life had a person that I
20:06
could walk away from the wagon and think
20:09
it'll be run better than I could run it.
20:13
And that's you. because I've had a lot
20:14
of help come and go through the years.
20:16
[clears throat]
20:17
>> But I think when you can figure it out
20:20
in life that there's this is this is
20:22
what we're doing and this is how we're
20:25
going to do it. But don't think that you
20:27
got to do it by yourself.
20:29
>> You you got to have that partner. You
20:31
got to have that person. If it's not
20:33
your spouse, it's a co-orker, someone
20:35
else, you have that faith. You have that
20:37
belief that they're going to do their
20:39
job. And if you need help, they'll help
20:41
you with theirs, too. I think there's a
20:42
lot of people out there today that I'm
20:45
going to do my job. I ain't worried
20:46
about his job.
20:47
>> Yeah.
20:47
>> You know, and you go a lot further in
20:50
life if you can help somebody out.
20:51
>> You had mentioned you both have to have
20:54
passion.
20:55
>> Yes.
20:56
>> And I think that is critical because
20:59
that's going to determine se success and
21:02
longevity.
21:03
>> Yes.
21:04
>> And this goes for a marriage, a working
21:07
marriage, or even like co-workers in
21:10
your business. or where you're working.
21:13
Um, and if you don't have passion,
21:16
you've got to adjust. And if you're the
21:18
manager, you've got to adjust and figure
21:20
out what the passion is of the person
21:24
you're working with or your spouse. And
21:27
I don't know if this was intentional or
21:29
if this just happened out of survival,
21:33
but I do not have a passion for cooking.
21:36
>> Whoa,
21:36
>> surprise.
21:38
>> I didn't know that. you did know that at
21:41
the beginning it was okay because it was
21:42
new and it was like out of necessity and
21:44
I'm doing these different things. But as
21:46
the years went on, um, cooking is not my
21:50
passion. But
21:54
how did I change this business to where
21:57
I could have a passion for it? And that
22:00
was through the marketing and producing
22:04
side of it. So what started off as just
22:08
simple cooking for ranches and events
22:11
then evolved into a much bigger brand
22:15
that we have now which is a lot of
22:17
social media um production.
22:20
And like I said, I don't know if that
22:23
was intentional or if I just found a
22:27
hole or I found a different way of
22:30
approaching our business and I thought,
22:32
hey, if we do this, we can have a larger
22:36
impact. You loved being on camera and
22:39
sharing cooking. So that's when it
22:42
started to evolve and that's where I
22:44
started to find my passion because if I
22:46
hadn't
22:48
this wouldn't have worked because you
22:50
would have been passionate about cooking
22:51
and I would have been resentful
22:53
eventually I think. Right.
22:55
>> My gosh. [laughter] I think she's fixing
22:57
to give her two weeks notice again.
22:59
Holy.
23:00
>> No. But that's important.
23:01
>> All this time I thought I was doing a
23:03
REALLY GOOD JOB.
23:04
>> YOU are doing a good job. You are doing
23:05
a great cooking job. But that wasn't my
23:08
thing. Like and I do I will say I do
23:11
like cooking on the wagon. Like when
23:13
we're doing ranch cooking and I can t t
23:15
t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t
23:16
t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t
23:16
out. I don't have to worry about
23:17
production. I don't have to worry about
23:18
taking pictures or doing all these other
23:21
behindthe-scenes things. If I can just
23:24
bake and and cook, I enjoy that. And
23:27
it's and it's low stress. It's not like
23:30
cooking for a lot of people.
23:31
>> No.
23:32
>> Um but anyway, so I'm just saying that
23:35
to give a little insight to people.
23:39
If you're in a position that you're not
23:41
passionate about, find the loophole. Fi
23:45
think out of the side of the box a
23:46
little bit because where we were, it
23:49
looked like, well, this is just cooking.
23:51
That's all we're going to do. But I
23:54
found a way to pivot. And if you're in
23:58
your job or your marriage and you're
24:00
finding either you don't have the
24:02
passion or somebody you're working with
24:03
doesn't have the passion, help them
24:05
pivot because there is a way. Oh yeah.
24:08
You know, you start this out really like
24:10
cooking was a seed that sprouted.
24:13
>> Mhm.
24:14
>> And then when you talking about finding
24:15
these loopholes and everything else,
24:17
it's like the different root system that
24:19
you got to have. I mean, you put all
24:21
your eggs in one basket, if you fall
24:23
down, what happen? All eggs get broke,
24:25
you know? So it's it's very important to
24:30
have that I think outsource in your mind
24:34
of what other people might want to be or
24:37
what other people might want to do. I
24:39
had no desire to be an editor, a
24:41
producer. You know, [clears throat] I
24:43
love to write. I love to cook. Uh and
24:48
you you blended this whole thing around
24:50
in like a giant giant circle. It started
24:53
out as a little ray of sunshine and just
24:56
kept growing and growing and growing.
24:58
And that's what it takes if you're going
25:01
to succeed in life. My daddy used to
25:03
tell me this, if you're going to be a
25:05
cowboy, you better know how to do 28
25:07
other things cuz you're going to starve
25:08
to death if you don't.
25:10
>> Like she said, be able to pivot. Be able
25:13
to do something else. It might be out of
25:16
your comfort zone for a little while,
25:18
>> but go for it.
25:20
Let's go back to the part about burnout
25:24
because or unplugging. Yes.
25:26
>> Because I think that's really important
25:28
especially for people who have their own
25:30
business or work at home or are working
25:34
with their spouse.
25:35
>> Um
25:37
we don't really have a war a rule like
25:40
okay no work after this certain time,
25:42
right?
25:42
>> No.
25:43
>> Do we turn it off? uh when your eyes
25:47
shut, you know, and then sometimes you
25:50
wake up thinking, "Oh, I didn't get this
25:51
done. Didn't do this. Didn't do that."
25:53
Uh
25:54
>> can you shut off your brain?
25:57
>> Uh it takes a long time,
25:58
>> does it?
25:59
>> Yeah. I mean, if it's if we're on a
26:01
ranch, sure,
26:03
>> you know, but if we're in the middle of
26:05
production, whether it's for this new
26:07
show, the cast iron cowboy, or or we're
26:10
shooting a bunch of videos that week,
26:12
>> you you you don't really turn it off.
26:14
You might take the foot off the throttle
26:17
and let it go from 70 down to 20, but
26:20
it's still there, you know, and it's I
26:23
don't know. An old man told me one time,
26:25
he said, "Well, I don't sleep much at
26:26
night, cuz I think about what I'm going
26:28
to do tomorrow, and if I don't think
26:29
about what I'm going to do tomorrow, I'm
26:30
going to forget it."
26:31
>> Yeah.
26:31
>> You know,
26:31
>> that's why you're supposed to have a pen
26:33
and paper by your bedside.
26:35
>> I didn't know that.
26:36
>> You know, a little tip here. And you're
26:38
supposed to write your stuff down
26:39
because for me, and I think this for a
26:40
lot of people, I get really good ideas
26:43
right before I'm going to sleep. Like
26:44
your brain kind of settles and then all
26:46
these great ideas come and you're
26:47
supposed to write them down then because
26:49
then in the morning you don't forget.
26:51
But do you do you have give me the give
26:54
me some solid advice. How do you turn it
26:57
off? Well, first I think you you have to
27:01
look at the day you had
27:04
and say, "Thank you, God, for letting me
27:07
have this opportunity to do this today.
27:10
I hope that I made you proud."
27:12
>> But also,
27:14
you have to think about I do. What could
27:18
I have done to make it better? And
27:20
that's where it always gets me. That's
27:22
when I can't unplug. that when it gets
27:24
in the back of my brain and tells me,
27:26
"You could have done this, you could
27:27
have done this, you could have done
27:28
this." I think to truly unplug and turn
27:32
it off, you got to have that sense of
27:34
calmness first. I don't like a lot of
27:37
times we'll go sit on the porch before
27:39
dark or we'll sit in the backyard. Find
27:41
a little bit of peace to let your mind
27:44
relax.
27:45
>> Uh
27:45
>> and you have to make yourself do that.
27:48
>> Yeah. You can't just think, "Well, I'm
27:49
just going to go out here and turn it
27:51
off." You know,
27:52
>> I've set alarms before, like on my
27:54
phone, like, okay, every, you know, half
27:56
hour, stop, take a breath, get away from
27:59
the computer or whatever. It's it's one
28:01
of them deals that to me if we didn't
28:04
take that time every night just to
28:07
really an unwind deal
28:09
>> uh talk about maybe what might happened
28:12
uh laugh at the dogs but mostly just to
28:16
sit and just try to find that little bit
28:19
of peace in the busy world and then
28:23
[clears throat] then it's easier for me
28:24
to go to sleep at night. What about you?
28:26
>> Well, I heard this is funny. I just
28:28
heard this the other day and I it was so
28:30
insanely simple, but it just kind of
28:33
rewired my brain a little bit and it was
28:35
just do your best and give God the rest.
28:39
That's
28:40
>> and that really I don't know why that
28:43
just hit me so hard is like you always
28:45
are like trying especially if you're an
28:47
entrepreneur you know you're just it's
28:50
always the next thing and going and what
28:51
do I do and staying ahead of the curve
28:53
and all you have to do is just like you
28:55
know what I did the best I could do
28:57
today I didn't overextend myself I
29:00
didn't stress too much and then I'm just
29:02
going to let go and whatever's going to
29:04
happen God's going to take care of it
29:06
>> he's got a plan
29:08
>> I go through these things where I try to
29:10
find like all these different things or
29:13
uh you know working plans or ways to
29:18
channel out your day or all these
29:20
different like business tips and
29:22
sometimes it's just the simple stuff of
29:24
just like let it go that's I think going
29:28
to be maybe the most helpful.
29:30
>> Yeah, life is simple. People just try to
29:32
complicate it too much. It's it's uh a
29:35
little different for us because not only
29:38
are we we work together and a lot of
29:40
people do. Maybe you have like you know
29:42
a plumbing business or a roofing
29:44
business or whatever it is with you and
29:46
your spouse. Um which is great. I think
29:49
it creates a more intense bond and
29:54
a real sense of like having to figure
29:57
things out and work together. In our
29:59
situation, it's a little different
30:00
because we are also on camera and our
30:03
business is public.
30:06
>> Yeah.
30:07
>> What do you think the challenges are
30:08
with that?
30:09
>> Well, first of all, I I want to start by
30:12
saying what a producer told me a long
30:14
time ago.
30:15
>> Well, from like one of the
30:16
>> top grill masters.
30:17
>> Oh, okay.
30:18
>> And there's camera on you all the time.
30:19
Three or four of them. And this lady
30:21
come over and she said, "You know,
30:22
you're the only person I think I've ever
30:24
been around in my life that didn't
30:25
change when the camera was on." I said,
30:27
"I ain't change socks in a week. Ain't
30:29
going to change people, you know." And
30:31
but there's not a lot of difference in
30:35
when the camera's on the camera's off as
30:37
to my attitude and what I see in life.
30:41
But there is I can be like
30:44
worse smooth out.
30:46
>> Yeah.
30:47
>> I mean, beat down, burnt up, don't want
30:50
to cook at all.
30:52
>> Yeah. and Shen and me will talk and say,
30:55
"We got to shoot this video today and
30:57
act like you enjoy it.
30:59
>> Act like you're having fun." Which was
31:00
really hard, too. When we were cooking
31:03
before we moved to New Mexico, when we
31:04
were in Oklahoma and cooking when it
31:07
started getting hotter, which now feels
31:09
like it's like 9 months out of the year,
31:11
>> we you would be sweat. I mean, it's like
31:15
100° before we even start the fire.
31:18
>> And you're cooking and you're like
31:20
sweating in your food and you're
31:21
melting. And I'm like, "Look happy. Look
31:23
like you're enjoying this."
31:24
>> But it's I think that's one of the thing
31:27
that really resonates with
31:30
our people that watch us is we don't
31:33
change.
31:34
>> Yeah.
31:34
>> If they meet us in public, I get so many
31:36
comments. Well, you're the same person I
31:38
met at Walmart that you are on your
31:40
cooking show.
31:40
>> Yeah. You know,
31:41
>> the people are the same, but the
31:44
situations
31:45
>> it's different. So, I mean, completely
31:48
candid, there are times I want to ring
31:50
your neck before I push record on the
31:53
camera. Ladies, you know what I'm
31:56
talking about. But that's normal.
31:58
>> Well, I'd like to know. [laughter]
32:01
>> We don't have time for it in this
32:02
episode. But social media really gets in
32:06
your head because you see these couples
32:08
or these moms or all these people like
32:10
everything's great and their house is
32:12
clean and they've packed these lunch
32:14
kits for these kids. that's like all
32:16
organized and their closet is organized
32:18
by alphabet and color and you're
32:21
thinking, "God, my life, I do not have
32:22
it together." So, just because like
32:26
you're on camera and everything's great
32:28
doesn't mean I just didn't scream at you
32:30
before. I don't scream. I didn't scream
32:32
at you, but I'm like super frustrated
32:34
before I hit record.
32:35
>> I mean, they don't see it, but I've seen
32:37
you throw stuff at me, you know,
32:39
skillets, Dutch ovens.
32:40
>> That is not true.
32:41
>> Uh, it's not all sunshine and rainbows.
32:44
>> Yeah. you know, but when that camera
32:46
comes on,
32:48
>> it's not fake.
32:49
>> No, that's what it's it's real.
32:52
>> But there are
32:53
>> there are differences and discrepancies.
32:55
>> Yes, absolutely. Like, so give like
32:57
what's an example?
32:59
>> Well, that's not what you had written in
33:01
the recipe.
33:03
>> And I'll say, well, I changed my mind
33:04
right now.
33:05
>> I know. And I was like, well, why did
33:06
you why did you decide to uh cook that
33:09
before and not this other thing? Well,
33:10
just cuz I wanted to. I'm like, but it's
33:12
in the recipe. because I'm very like I
33:15
have to produce. So,
33:16
>> well, there's a lot of times too when I
33:18
have a recipe that's written down and
33:20
I'm actually cooking something and I'm
33:22
thinking,
33:23
>> "No, no,
33:24
>> that's not going to work." Yeah.
33:24
>> I'm not going to do that. I'm going to
33:26
do this.
33:27
>> Yeah.
33:27
>> And then you think,
33:31
"Well, should I just went with that so
33:33
it'd flow better?" No. I I trust my gut.
33:36
I want y'all to trust y'alls, too. If
33:38
you're doing something in life and you
33:40
think, "No, that don't fit." It's hard
33:42
too because cooking is very fluid and
33:44
it's artistic, you know, and so like but
33:48
and you know this. Yeah. But you know
33:50
this especially when we've been filming
33:52
the cast iron cowboy on the outdoor
33:53
channel and that is highly produced.
33:56
That's a TV show. So I'm not doing it
33:58
and it's even more produced. We're like
34:00
no stop retake this no stir this and and
34:04
that's hard. That's really hard.
34:05
>> It took me a long time to not want to
34:07
just choke them you know.
34:09
>> What about me? What about me as your
34:11
producer?
34:11
>> No, because you know I know I know who
34:14
writes a check, [laughter] you know, uh
34:17
it's it's totally different really. Uh
34:22
camera on as far as what takes place
34:25
during a video cooking the times. Wait,
34:29
wait, wait a minute. Don't don't move
34:30
that. I need to shoot that. What? Put it
34:32
back over here so it'll look like it did
34:33
before you started, you know?
34:34
>> Yeah. And for a long time it really
34:36
bothered me because I'm thinking, "No,
34:38
this is the way I've cooked all my
34:40
life." Yeah.
34:40
>> You know, I'm not going to change. But
34:43
you have to change.
34:47
You have to.
34:48
>> Yeah.
34:49
>> If if you don't change in life, you're
34:52
going to get run over by it.
34:54
>> And that that goes absolutely for a
34:56
marriage.
34:56
>> Oh, yes. You got to learn to adapt and
34:59
overcome.
35:00
>> What's one thing?
35:00
>> And wear a helmet when she's throwing
35:02
stuff. [laughter]
35:04
Not true.
35:06
What's like give me either one or a
35:09
couple examples of of things in our
35:12
marriage specifically, not necessarily
35:13
working together, that you've had to
35:15
adapt to about me.
35:18
>> I know it's so hard.
35:20
>> We ain't got time for all of them. I
35:22
mean, this is [snorts]
35:24
>> You mean get the list out? I wrote a
35:25
list. It's 38 questions. Uh, I think the
35:30
biggest thing that I had to adapt to was
35:34
I mean I I I clean my own house for
35:37
years. I wash my own clothes for years.
35:39
I did everything. That's the way my
35:40
mother taught me, you know,
35:42
>> and I I do laundry. Shannon does
35:44
laundry. But when we were first
35:45
together, I cooked for three meals a
35:47
day, didn't I?
35:49
>> Yeah. We're trying to impress her.
35:51
>> I did laundry. But I'll tell you folks,
35:53
when you take a long sleeve shirt off
35:56
>> Oh my gosh. And you just pull it, you
35:58
know, out like this. The sleeves is
36:00
inside out. And then you just throw them
36:02
in the dirty clothes.
36:04
I don't know why you can do that when
36:06
you could just take them off, right? You
36:08
unbutton them out of the sleeve.
36:09
>> I just want to clarify. So your biggest
36:11
adaptation in our marriage is that I
36:14
don't turn your shirts inside.
36:17
[laughter]
36:18
>> I was just picking one out of the random
36:19
batch of 3,000, you know. Uh
36:24
>> would you rephrase the question?
36:26
[laughter]
36:27
Do you mean rephrase or do you want me
36:29
to retract the question?
36:30
>> No, no, that's all right. Uh, it's
36:32
>> I Okay. Honestly, like you're pretty
36:34
easygoing.
36:35
>> Oh.
36:35
>> Um, I don't think I've never felt like
36:38
any of my little quirks have bothered
36:41
you really other than like comedically.
36:43
Okay. The laundry or whatever.
36:44
>> The snoring at night is pretty bad. But,
36:47
uh,
36:47
>> that's the dogs
36:48
>> and hygiene. You know, I think when we
36:50
first started cooking on ranches and she
36:52
thought, "Hey, this is really good. You
36:53
ain't got to take a bath for 3 weeks,
36:55
you know. And then when it got home, you
36:57
know,
36:58
>> but no, there's
37:00
I don't think there was anything in
37:02
there that I had to adapt to that I
37:05
thought, "Oh my gosh, she does this or
37:07
she wants this or she needs this." I'm
37:09
going to tell you folks, she is not a
37:12
person that
37:14
she wants something she doesn't have
37:17
monetarily. Uh I I admired her so much
37:20
when we'd go shopping when we was first
37:22
together. go in a store and you could be
37:24
in and out in 5 minutes, [laughter]
37:26
you know, because she knew what she was
37:27
looking for. I knew what I was looking
37:29
for. I think if
37:32
maybe through the years,
37:34
the bed has got a lot more crowded
37:37
>> with pups.
37:38
>> Three dogs in a bed and if you ain't
37:40
there on time,
37:41
>> you ain't get a spot.
37:42
>> You lose your spot.
37:43
>> Yeah. What about me? What was there
37:45
something about me that you think, oh my
37:47
gosh,
37:48
>> not not like Oh my gosh. I think um
37:52
your
37:54
I don't want to say stubbornness,
37:57
but
37:58
>> shocked.
37:58
>> I think maybe that was just one thing
38:00
that I've learned or and I'm still
38:03
learning how to kind of approach that or
38:06
understand that
38:08
>> my stubbornness.
38:08
>> Just stubbornness. Like you're just very
38:10
like if something like you're just kind
38:11
of set in your ways like if something is
38:13
you're very black and white about things
38:15
and like so if somebody says something
38:17
that's it you know or if somebody does
38:19
something or a great example is when we
38:22
were talking about cooking
38:24
>> and how you're like if the phone rings
38:25
we pick it up and we do the job
38:27
>> and it was really hard for me to kind of
38:31
open your eyes up to different ways to
38:33
approach the business like okay we could
38:36
drive 500 miles and feed this birthday
38:40
party for 20 people or we could make
38:43
this video and hit 300,000 people.
38:47
>> Did you know I never went to a birthday
38:49
in my life and fed 20 people? Might have
38:51
fed 220 people.
38:52
>> Well, but you know, like smaller. Yeah.
38:54
So, I think I think just just that would
38:56
be one of the things
38:59
>> here. I thought I was doing such a good
39:00
job.
39:00
>> You are. That's not like necessarily a
39:02
bad thing.
39:03
>> This may be the last podcast I'm on.
39:05
[laughter]
39:06
be cowboy coffeeless hour with Shan
39:09
>> for hiring. [laughter]
39:11
>> Well, okay. So, like what do you think
39:14
would be a lesson that we've had to
39:17
learn the hard way, but we got through
39:19
it?
39:20
>> Lesson we had to learn the hard way.
39:23
There's a lot of things that are going
39:24
to come along that are going to be
39:27
really hard to get through. You know, to
39:30
me, the one that we had to adapt and
39:31
overcome so quickly that uh just sort of
39:36
wore our world out was the loss of a
39:39
beagle and loss of a house in the same
39:41
week.
39:41
>> Mhm.
39:42
>> You know, and you It's like Shen said,
39:44
you can't
39:47
I don't I don't dwell on the things in
39:49
the past that are bring me heartache.
39:53
I want to I want to think of the things
39:55
in the past that brought me joy.
39:58
And you've all heard it said and my
40:00
mother used to tell me this every night
40:03
before I went to bed. You can't go to
40:06
bed angry.
40:07
>> And we have.
40:08
>> We have. Yes. Because a lot of times she
40:11
told me, "You just sleep on the porch."
40:14
So, and she was angry, but hey, I had
40:16
more room out there. There was less dogs
40:18
on the couch. But it's
40:21
anger is a bad thing.
40:22
>> Yeah.
40:23
>> And a lot of that comes with being I
40:27
don't mean this in a bad way. Having too
40:29
much pride
40:31
>> to admit that I was wrong
40:33
>> or this didn't work or I
40:35
>> or like my way is the only way
40:36
>> or I shouldn't have told her that or I
40:38
should have told her this.
40:39
>> And it's not just for your spouse. It's
40:41
with people you're around all of your
40:43
life. Yeah. You know, um
40:45
>> and it's hard. It really is. People
40:48
asked me one time said, "Well, you know,
40:49
marriage is hard." I don't think
40:51
marriage is hard in the way I look at
40:54
like hard work. There's going to be hard
40:57
times. Yes. But hey, it's the best day I
41:01
ever had.
41:02
>> That's kind of in my opinion the worst
41:06
advice is when people say, "Well,
41:07
marriage is hard." I remember people
41:09
would tell me that before we got married
41:10
and thinking like, "I understand that. I
41:13
understand life is hard. I understand
41:15
relationships are hard. I get it. I'm
41:18
willing to work through that. But it's a
41:20
different kind of hard and I don't even
41:22
really know how to explain it. It's just
41:24
the things that happen in a marriage
41:27
that you didn't expect that are
41:29
different in how you would handle it or
41:32
how the other person approached you and
41:33
handling it and you're like, "Wow, I did
41:35
not see this coming. This is a different
41:37
level of hard."
41:38
>> And I think maybe that's better advice.
41:41
Like it's going to be hard. You're not
41:43
even going to know what hard is. You
41:45
can't even practice what you're going to
41:48
get into. But
41:50
>> what is it that gets you through it?
41:52
Like what what what is a successful
41:55
marriage like?
41:56
>> Oh, here we go. It just takes write
41:58
[clears throat] it down, people.
41:59
>> I mean, and they're as simple as they
42:01
can be. God and love.
42:05
>> I'm gonna I'm gonna contradict you
42:07
there.
42:07
>> No,
42:08
>> I think God for sure. I think you have
42:10
to have a higher
42:12
something bigger than yourselves in your
42:15
marriage.
42:15
>> And I I pray to God to bless our
42:17
marriage to let us find more happiness,
42:21
more joy, more love.
42:24
>> But if you can't have one without the
42:25
other, I don't think
42:27
>> I I think you definitely have to have
42:28
love, but I think you have to have
42:32
fight.
42:33
>> Well,
42:34
>> like you have to be willing to fight for
42:37
it and work hard. Well,
42:39
>> don't you think, see, you're
42:42
>> I mean, I'm going to stand up and fight
42:43
for what I love, what I believe in, and
42:45
that's God, you, country, family, you
42:49
know, I'm all for it. But
42:52
I think to have a successful marriage,
42:55
and I'm not a marriage counselor to me,
42:58
and can I just say it in my words?
43:00
>> Go for it. Okay. It's your podcast.
43:02
>> Well, no. I mean, after today, this is
43:04
probably my last one. You know, you
43:09
You got to treat that person that you're
43:11
married to
43:13
that she is the best thing that's ever
43:15
going to come into your life. And you
43:17
got to love her or him like it's the
43:19
last day you got. And you got to put
43:22
them first. You can't always say, "I'll
43:26
get to it or maybe tomorrow or next
43:29
week." We ain't promised tomorrow. We
43:32
don't know that we're going to have it.
43:33
I'm going to love her today more than I
43:35
loved her yesterday. And I'm going to
43:38
ask God to give me a tomorrow so I can
43:40
love her again.
43:41
>> But I will say you can love and be
43:44
frustrated at the same time. And that's
43:46
okay. Right.
43:47
>> Well, sort of like having chocolate cake
43:50
without the icing.
43:51
>> I mean, I don't I won't I don't want to
43:52
give this impression like, oh, every day
43:54
is love and roses and everything. Like I
43:57
love you every day, but I can also
44:00
>> you want to choke me some.
44:02
>> And that's okay, too.
44:03
>> Yeah. But it, let's don't put it as it's
44:07
hard. Let's put it as it. It will
44:10
challenge you.
44:10
>> Yes.
44:12
>> But if it doesn't challenge you, it will
44:14
never change you. I've learned from
44:16
mistakes. You know, I've learned from
44:19
things that, hey, I ain't going to touch
44:20
that one time. It's hot. But you you you
44:23
[clears throat]
44:24
learn about the person you're with. And
44:26
you see what brings the simple joy in
44:29
life. That's the greatest thing for me.
44:31
It doesn't have to be a special day. It
44:33
doesn't have to be a holiday. It doesn't
44:34
have to be an anniversary.
44:36
Take her out for supper. Buy her some
44:38
flyers. Get her a card. Let her know
44:42
that you are loved. You are appreciated.
44:45
There's I think there's a lot of it,
44:46
too. Love and appreciation.
44:49
>> Mhm.
44:50
>> I mean, I know people that I know of
44:52
loved each other very much, but I don't
44:54
know if they really appreciated that
44:56
person for what they did all the time.
44:59
>> Yeah. And
45:01
if you don't love and appreciate, what's
45:03
the next thing that comes along?
45:05
Depreciation.
45:06
>> Whoa.
45:07
>> Yes.
45:07
>> And do the laundry, right? [laughter]
45:09
>> Yes, ma'am.
45:10
>> That's my big takeaway here. Well, let
45:12
I'm just going to leave it on this
45:14
question.
45:16
>> What's one thing about working together
45:18
that you think has actually made our
45:20
marriage better?
45:21
>> Trust.
45:23
I almost want to say did we build trust
45:26
at the wagon and working before we did
45:28
in our like personal I think maybe
45:31
>> I think it it was like 6040 at least you
45:34
know because
45:36
>> there's a there's a lot of trust that
45:38
had to come about from it you know the
45:40
trust of you making that big move the
45:43
trust of us saying hey can we do this
45:45
together I mean you'd write a hot check
45:48
on Friday to get groceries to cook on
45:50
Saturday and hope you could beat the
45:51
check back on
45:52
You know,
45:53
>> it's
45:56
trust. It really is.
45:57
>> Yeah.
45:58
>> And uh I trust you with all my heart and
46:02
soul. I do.
46:03
>> You know, cuz I know I always tell
46:06
people this when she come to cooking
46:08
school and she took a bunch of pictures.
46:12
>> And then she come back to cooking school
46:14
and she took some more pictures. Say she
46:16
going to make a website. I didn't even
46:18
have a computer.
46:20
She come back again to cooking school
46:22
and she still hadn't graduated. You
46:24
know, this is three times now. And she I
46:27
had to let her graduate and then I
46:31
married her and then she took over the
46:32
entire business.
46:33
>> That was my business plan.
46:34
>> There you go.
46:35
>> Nailed that.
46:36
>> But I I want to ask you this question.
46:39
>> Don't make it hard.
46:40
>> I won't. You know, to celebrate 15 years
46:44
with you is a great thing. I hope the
46:47
good Lord gives us 115 more, you know,
46:50
but
46:52
I have no regrets. I have no nothing
46:56
that I would like to say, "Oh my gosh,
46:59
that was a bad day at Blackwater Draw
47:01
there when that happened." You know,
47:02
[clears throat]
47:03
but you you're going to go through all
47:05
of this whether you're working together
47:07
or it's an you work 30 miles apart.
47:11
You're going to get that challenge.
47:13
But that word we said at the last,
47:15
trust.
47:17
Trust in God. Trust in each other. And
47:20
trust yourselves enough to know, hey, if
47:23
we got faith, we got love, we got trust,
47:26
bring it on. We can get it.
47:28
>> What was it done?
47:30
>> The question.
47:30
>> Yeah. You said you had a question for
47:31
me. And then,
47:32
>> do you have any regrets?
47:34
>> Oh. Uh, no. I don't. I think regretting
47:37
is dangerous.
47:38
>> Oh.
47:39
>> And um life is just what happens. And
47:43
what are you going to do with what
47:46
happened or the past to move forward? So
47:49
don't Yeah. Don't live in the the
47:51
regret.
47:52
>> Well, if you could tell that young
47:54
couple or any couple that's fixing to
47:56
get married next week, how do I survive
47:58
this? How do I make this work? What
48:01
would you do? Sum this up for me, sugar.
48:04
I mean it to to wrap up everything in
48:07
this I think is to to remember marriage
48:11
is hard but it's it's in a way that you
48:13
don't even know what hard is yet but you
48:16
have to fight through it. Um you have to
48:18
love you have to have patience and
48:20
appreciation for each other and you have
48:22
to have fight
48:25
>> well
48:25
>> and keep it simple.
48:26
>> Yes, you heard it there folks. Right
48:28
there it is.
48:29
>> Well, I hope you were taking notes. Um,
48:31
I don't know if those notes were worth
48:33
anything, but we hope that uh this gave
48:36
you just a little bit of background into
48:38
the business side, but also what the
48:40
past 15 years have looked like for us.
48:43
And we are so so thankful that most of
48:47
those years you have been with us. A lot
48:50
of you have, and we appreciate it so
48:51
much that we've all been able to kind of
48:54
go on this journey together. So, that's
48:55
really special for us.
48:56
>> Yes. Remember, as we always [music] say,
48:59
thank you so much. You're not fans, you
49:00
are family. But it is with great pride,
49:03
honor, and privilege that I tip my hat
49:05
to all the servicemen and women and all
49:07
the veterans that have kept that old
49:08
flag of flying. No matter where we be,
49:10
we lift you up in prayer daily and we
49:12
commend you. We do. Chen, I love you so
49:14
much. We love y'all. God bless you each
49:17
and everyone. We'll see you down the
49:18
podcast trail.
49:21
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