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Why are some of the toughest, most practical people also deeply superstitious? In this episode, we explore the strange cowboy superstitions and traditions that survived the Old West, from never placing a cowboy hat on a bed to death omens, haunted cattle trails, animal signs, weather lore and unusual rodeo rituals. We also uncover the legend of a famous Texas stampede and if it’s ghosts still wander the plains.
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Why is it that the [music] cowboy and
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this breed of people who were so
0:05
practical, why were they also so
0:07
superstitious?
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>> I think it was handed down to them.
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You heard that at night in your camp was
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a bad sign. Someone going to die for
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morning.
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Howdy. My name is Kent [music] Rollins.
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I've been a cowboy and a chuck wagon
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cook for over 30 years cooking for
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ranches all across [music] America. You
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might have seen me on the Food Network
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or alongside my beautiful wife Shannon
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on our YouTube show where we share
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cowboy cooking from the trail. [music]
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But now we're going to take you behind
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the scenes to real campfire
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conversations. [music] Join us as we
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share humor, cowboy wisdom, and stories
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full of history, heart, faith, and of
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course, a little fire. So, grab you a
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cup of coffee, [music] pull up a chair,
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and welcome to the podcast.
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[music]
1:06
Hey, we thank y'all for joining us again
1:08
this week. And I really am loving this
1:11
episode that we're going to do today.
1:13
You know, been around cowboys all my
1:15
life. Some of the hardest working people
1:18
I've ever known.
1:19
>> And they've been through it all.
1:20
Especially if you go back to them old
1:22
cowboys that was going down the trail in
1:24
the 1870s and 80s. But I've I don't
1:26
think I've ever met a more superstitious
1:30
crowd of people than true traditional
1:33
old working cowboys. And even some of
1:35
the modern ones today, the methods and
1:37
the things that they believed in
1:39
sometimes blow my little mind.
1:40
>> That is super interesting. I didn't
1:42
think that you would say that, but
1:44
that's why we're going to be talking
1:46
about cowboy superstitions.
1:49
not only modern day, but also ones that
1:52
trace back into the early 1800s and that
1:56
have traveled the trail and taken us all
1:59
the way to today. The old ones, the ones
2:01
that still exist and maybe even Kent,
2:04
the ones that you still are practicing
2:08
or following. So today is all about
2:11
superstitions. Yeah.
2:12
>> Of the Old West and today
2:15
>> I'm going to start off.
2:16
>> All right. the biggest one I have. And
2:18
this is one of the first ones that you
2:22
introduced me to. And this is the cowboy
2:26
hat on the bed.
2:28
>> Don't even say the words. That's
2:30
>> What is this one about?
2:32
>> Well,
2:34
I was always taught you come in a hat in
2:37
a house, take your hat off,
2:38
>> tip your hat to a lady, hang your hat up
2:40
somewhere. You don't lay it ever flat
2:44
down like this,
2:45
>> like with the crown down.
2:47
>> With the crown down. When you do, all
2:49
the luck's done run out of it.
2:51
>> Oh, so it's kind of like the horseshoe.
2:53
>> Yeah. But when you're putting your hat
2:55
on a bed, and I was doing an interview
2:58
with a guy many, many years ago in
3:01
Branson and he come in and the first
3:03
thing he did was take his hat off and
3:05
lay it on the bed. And I'm thinking,
3:09
uhoh.
3:11
To me, I was always taught that that was
3:13
a sign of the spirit of whoever had been
3:17
on that bed.
3:19
You had really
3:22
in a way shamed them.
3:24
>> Oh,
3:25
>> it was something you didn't do. It was
3:27
something that you ever dreamed of.
3:29
Always hurt. Bad luck, bad omen. Don't
3:32
do this. Things are not going to be good
3:34
today. So, you honestly get an
3:36
uncomfortable feeling if somebody does
3:38
that?
3:39
>> I have been in people's houses and you
3:41
know, you go in, there's a crowd like
3:43
especially like if it was a funeral
3:45
years ago, most of them knew, but you go
3:47
in places today and
3:50
>> you look for a place to lay your hat.
3:51
Oh, you just put it right there and you
3:53
look over and then people got them
3:54
stacked up on the bed and you're
3:55
thinking,
3:56
>> Jesus, we need to get out of here.
3:58
Something bad's fitting to happen.
4:00
>> So, this is for just hats in general,
4:02
right? Not just cowboy hats. You never
4:04
lay a hat on a bed.
4:06
>> Well, so I had to look into this a
4:08
little bit of like where where did this
4:09
come from? And I found the earliest
4:12
recorded
4:15
superstition of this came from actually
4:17
Jamaican folklore.
4:18
>> Jamaican.
4:19
>> Yeah. 1896
4:21
>> because they they claimed that putting a
4:23
hat on a bed would bring misfortune.
4:26
Then of course through different
4:27
cultures and times this this changed.
4:30
And then it wasn't until around like
4:32
1948 that this kind of came into the
4:35
cowboy and rodeo world where it was
4:39
unlucky to put it on a bed. Um, also
4:42
noted about what you said, you can't put
4:44
it crown side down because all your luck
4:46
would run out particularly for the rodeo
4:49
cowboy who was competing. And you always
4:52
left it, you know, sitting like this
4:55
somewhere
4:56
>> like how
4:57
>> like you set it with the crown down to
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where the brim and the hole of your head
5:02
is sticking up,
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>> right?
5:04
>> That way, good fortune, good luck could
5:08
flow in there. Then when you put it on
5:10
your head, what happened?
5:11
>> All that luck is coming down.
5:13
>> I can feel it now.
5:14
>> Huh. Well, the it also traces back to
5:18
death and funerals. Um if you laying a
5:22
hat on a bed could also recall to a sick
5:27
or person dying in bed and or that
5:31
person laying in a coffin. So there was
5:33
like a connection of death. Yeah.
5:36
>> And a cowboy hat on a bed or it was also
5:39
the foretelling of an illness. Um
5:42
another really practical thing and this
5:45
actually makes more sense to me. So
5:49
back in the day, lice was a lot more
5:52
prevalent and obviously like it's on
5:54
your head and you're wearing a hat. So
5:56
if you're putting a hat on a bed, the
5:58
lice are transferring and that's just
6:00
spreading lice and disease. So that one
6:03
feels a little more realistic and
6:05
practical to me.
6:06
>> You know, if we we we didn't have it
6:08
when I was growing up, but if if you had
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it
6:11
>> had lice
6:11
>> Yeah. and or ring worms or anything that
6:14
stayed up there in your head
6:15
>> and you didn't like the neighbors you
6:17
had. You just went over and found your
6:19
hat in the living room and then you
6:20
left, you know. But uh
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>> I don't know that that was true.
6:24
>> Oh, it's a superstition then. And that's
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one thing that I've always wondered too
6:29
when you hear that word superstition.
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>> Mhm.
6:32
>> Is there automatically a part of it that
6:35
goes to
6:37
this is just some old wives tail? This
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can't be true. I don't believe in these.
6:42
I'm asking y'all, are y'all
6:44
superstitious people?
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>> I I think
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>> I am.
6:47
>> Are you?
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>> Yeah. In ways
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>> I wouldn't consider yourself a a
6:51
superstitious person, but um I think
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there are certain times and things where
6:58
it kind of like maybe raises your hair a
7:00
little bit.
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But the the biggest and interesting part
7:04
is these old western superstitions and
7:09
how they started and how they've evolved
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and they've kept the test of time.
7:16
>> Yes.
7:16
>> Um I want you to paint us a picture.
7:20
>> All right.
7:20
>> Because this is a big one. The night
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herd.
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>> Yes.
7:25
>> What is the night herd and what was its
7:28
purpose? and and bring us into the scene
7:31
of 1800 night herd.
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>> 1880
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we're going up the Chisum Trail.
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Thousands and thousands of beef have
7:40
been up this trail from right north of
7:43
South really right by San Anton to
7:46
Abalene, Kansas to get on the rail head.
7:49
And there's certain places when you're
7:51
driving a herd that you use as a bedding
7:53
ground where these animals can rest at
7:56
night. You're not driving cattle down
7:57
the road at night because number one,
7:59
they ain't got no blinkers. Number two,
8:01
they ain't got no tail lights. Number
8:03
three, they can't honk the horn. So,
8:05
>> you would let cattle rest at night.
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>> So, you've got like 12 to 15 cowboys.
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>> Yeah. Watching anywhere from 1500 to
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2,000 head of Longhorns
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>> that are driving all of these long horn
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up the trail.
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>> And you you get them to a spot and you
8:18
set up camp. Well, you always had, I'd
8:22
say, probably at least four that were
8:25
not hurting, and they would just circle
8:27
the herd, make sure everybody was calm,
8:31
and you always heard. And a lot of these
8:33
old ballads and old cowboy tunes come
8:35
from old cowboys that were singing the
8:37
night herd song.
8:39
>> So, that is a thing that I want to
8:42
clarify. This was the singing cowboy.
8:45
I've always heard that. And that is
8:48
true. Oh yeah. I heard someone might be
8:50
a I have a harmonica that you would play
8:53
soft and low, but you would just sort of
8:56
sing. Singing soothes the savage beast,
9:00
but also soothes cattle, you know, just
9:03
a calm, relaxing sound. Cattle are
9:05
tired, but cattle, too, are very spooky.
9:08
They can be spooked easily. You know,
9:11
things can happen. But them guys would
9:14
just circle around there sing make sure
9:17
the herd was still a lot of them be
9:19
bedded down resting you know uh until
9:22
something happened
9:25
>> in your personal experience like cooking
9:27
on ranches.
9:27
>> Uhhuh.
9:29
>> Was this still a practice?
9:32
>> No. Because you really you're not
9:33
driving cattle to a market. You're right
9:36
>> getting cattle to a set of pins. Now,
9:39
sure, when they get through working a
9:41
bunch of cows and uh the calves have
9:43
been stripped off of them, which means
9:44
they've been separated cuz the calves
9:46
get worked, cows get worked, and then
9:48
you hold the herd. You bring them back
9:51
out and you hold them to le let them
9:53
cows mother back up with their calf to
9:55
find their babies. And when the herd
9:58
settles,
9:59
if you ain't got to drive them nowhere,
10:01
you can just ride out easily away from
10:03
them and just let them go. My daddy
10:06
always told me, you never run a horse to
10:08
the barn and you always settle cattle.
10:11
You know, it's a pleasant experience.
10:13
>> So, the the settling and the singing of
10:16
the cattle was extremely important back
10:19
in the 1800s because really you were
10:22
trying to avoid a stampede, right?
10:26
>> There were so many people that died from
10:29
stampede, that died from drowning.
10:32
lightning strikes would cause probably
10:36
as many stampedes as other because there
10:38
was, let's take 2,000 Longhorns standing
10:41
out there, got your cowboys riding
10:44
around singing some rap song to them,
10:47
you know, settling down, you know, and u
10:51
there's a thunderstorm in the distance.
10:53
Now, these cattle are all working on
10:55
walking on ground that have been
10:56
trampled and there's a lot of dust. Then
10:59
you have static electricity.
11:02
Then a lightning bolt hits close by. And
11:06
you have a thing called St. Elmo's fire.
11:08
>> This fascinates me so much.
11:11
>> And static electricity and charge would
11:15
go from one tip of a horn to another in
11:18
the herd to where it was like a strobe
11:20
light.
11:21
>> So you have dancing electricity all
11:23
throughout the herd.
11:24
>> And what happens then?
11:27
panic stampede.
11:29
>> Yeah.
11:31
>> And cattle would run forever. I've heard
11:33
stories of people tell me he said you
11:35
you couldn't stop them. You you try to
11:37
bend them like you have stampede going
11:40
straight north just fast they go and
11:42
they're going to run till either they
11:44
run out of air or something stops them.
11:47
>> Mhm.
11:47
>> You know, but you keep trying to bend
11:49
them horseback, turn them, let them go
11:51
in a circle. Let's run them around and
11:53
round and round. They get tired and
11:54
they'll settle. Sometimes that don't
11:56
happen. And you've got a little history
11:59
about that. [music]
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>> Kent [music] never gets excited about
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>> clothing.
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>> Clothing. He will not stop talking about
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>> Yeah. I mean, when you put it on, the
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>> Mhm.
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So, this is interesting. As we were like
14:01
looking into cowboy superstitions, I
14:05
came across this really crazy story. Um,
14:08
you had mentioned life on the trail was
14:12
not glamorous and it's not all singing
14:15
and campfire stories. It was stampedes.
14:19
It was lightning. It was drowning.
14:22
>> Uh, there was a lot of death on the
14:23
trail. And this really interesting story
14:26
comes out of Crosby County, which is
14:28
east of Leach. Correct.
14:31
>> So, it's on this place that's now called
14:34
Stampede Mesa. So, picture this place.
14:37
You've got roughly a 200 acre flat,
14:41
grassy, beautiful area. On one side is
14:45
this nice slope where the cowboys could
14:49
uh move the cattle up, but on the other
14:52
side is this about 100 ft drop. But this
14:56
was a place that um looked like a nice
15:01
>> meadow
15:02
>> meadow to bed the horses or bed the the
15:06
cattle and have the night herd.
15:08
>> Um
15:10
so it was the summer or fall, we're not
15:13
really sure, of 1889. There was a trail
15:16
boss named Sawyer and he's moving about
15:19
1,00 to,500 head of cattle up through
15:22
here. um in this spot he's going by and
15:27
he and he crosses a part where this
15:29
other land owner had um this settler and
15:34
he had a smaller herd. So as as Sawyer's
15:36
walking by with all these cattle, this
15:39
other settller's cows get mixed in.
15:42
About 40 of them get mixed in. Well, as
15:45
as Sawyer's coming through, he's like,
15:47
"You know what? I I don't have time to
15:49
weed out these other cattle. It's late.
15:53
Let's just bed down. We'll figure out
15:56
separating them in the morning. Well,
15:59
this is where it gets a little a little
16:01
interesting.
16:03
It's in the middle of the night and a
16:05
stampede happens. Now, from reports,
16:09
they don't know if this is just
16:10
something naturally that happened, if
16:13
there was a thunderstorm coming, but a
16:16
stampede occurs. Two cowboys are up
16:19
there. They're trying to bend the herd
16:22
from going over this 100 foot cliff.
16:24
They're not successful. They go over the
16:27
the cliff. And it's reported anywhere
16:30
from 700 to nearly the entire herd go
16:35
off this cliff and nobody really knows
16:37
why.
16:39
The next morning there's speculation
16:42
that this settler who had lost her whose
16:46
40 head had kind of mixed in was upset
16:49
that he didn't want to
16:52
separate the herd and that he is the one
16:54
that started [clears throat] the
16:55
stampede. Now this I don't know that I
16:58
really believe
17:00
>> he would have lost his too
17:01
>> because his were scattered in there. So
17:03
why why would he have started a stampede
17:05
just out of spite? But interestingly
17:07
enough, um, they captured the settler,
17:11
they tied him to a horse or a mule, they
17:14
blindfolded that animal, and they drove
17:16
them both off the cliff.
17:18
>> Oh my gosh.
17:19
>> So,
17:20
>> it's a little frontier justice right
17:22
there,
17:23
>> I mean. Now, this is all speculation. We
17:25
don't know exactly if this is true, but
17:27
here we go. This is where this
17:29
superstition comes in about sacred
17:33
ground.
17:33
>> Yeah.
17:35
A year later, supposedly there was
17:38
another stampede in that same exact
17:40
location. Nobody knows why. It just
17:43
happened. There was a later report um 11
17:47
years later. Now, this is the first like
17:50
written report that we have. Other all
17:52
of these other ones are just
17:54
speculation. It's oral tradition. But in
17:57
1926, this was written down that this um
18:01
cattleman named Jeff Kister, he knew of
18:05
this ground. He knew the stories. He
18:07
knew the warnings, but he refused to
18:12
believe in it. He took his his cows up.
18:15
Um there was a report that
18:19
one of the cowboys saw what he called a
18:22
phantom herd.
18:23
>> Uhoh.
18:24
who mixed in with the real cattle caused
18:28
a horrible stampede and they all went
18:31
off the cliff.
18:32
>> So
18:34
there's there is superstition about
18:38
hallowed ground or ground that is I
18:40
don't know if you want to say cursed.
18:42
>> Have you heard this story?
18:43
>> Yes.
18:44
Um,
18:46
you know, when and you hear stories like
18:48
that and any cowboy that I ever known or
18:52
old-timer would heed them warnings. You
18:54
would go around places like that. I
18:56
remember down there south of Hollist, we
18:58
lived down there, there was an old
19:00
cemetery called Housemith
19:02
and uh we'd be gathering cattle out of
19:04
there for this guy and there was no
19:07
fence around this little cemetery.
19:09
There's like 15 graves in it, you know.
19:11
Uh, and if he was on that corner and
19:15
cattle went out across there, you didn't
19:18
go. You just waited for them to drift
19:21
somewhere else and then you go around
19:22
and bring them back.
19:23
>> Now, why was Did something happen there
19:25
or
19:25
>> No, it's just I mean, that's sacred
19:27
ground.
19:27
>> Okay.
19:28
>> I mean, it's it's like you never rode a
19:30
horse up close to the wagon, you know,
19:32
when you was cooking on a ranch. I ain't
19:34
about to ride through no cemetery or
19:36
ride around it close. I'm gonna wait.
19:38
you know, but that was just something
19:40
that I I'd always heard, hey, you don't
19:43
do that, you know.
19:44
>> Well, there is a difference between like
19:46
sacred ground and maybe cursed ground,
19:49
right? Like in this in this situation,
19:51
this was definitely cursed ground. There
19:53
were a lot of reports later that people
19:55
would hear um the sound of stampede or
19:59
they hear rumbling and uh so I don't
20:02
know when we were cooking on the Bell
20:04
Ranch there was supposedly a lot of
20:08
supernatural activity happening
20:10
>> and none of the cowboys would camp in
20:14
this particular area. And I remember as
20:15
we were moving, you had the uh wagon
20:18
hooked up to a team and we moved right
20:20
past this camp, which would have been a
20:21
good camp to stay at logistically where
20:24
we were. Um, and I remember one of the
20:26
cowboys telling us a story that he was
20:29
riding through and it was an old
20:30
abandoned house at this camp
20:32
>> and he looked over and there was a
20:34
cowboy standing on the porch and he
20:37
waved at him and this cowboy waved,
20:40
didn't think anything of it and kept
20:42
riding by. And then he realized nobody's
20:44
lived in that house in hundreds of
20:46
years. And when he looked back, he was
20:48
gone.
20:49
>> Yeah.
20:49
>> So, I don't know. It And it's what's
20:52
fascinating to me is all the cowboys
20:54
I've met are very like practical people.
20:58
They're not they don't get wrapped up in
21:02
crazy things. So for something like this
21:06
where you don't camp at this certain
21:08
camp or you believe in this like sacred
21:10
ground and stuff, it's very interesting.
21:12
>> Well, I think it goes back to the
21:16
heritage of it too in a way, you know,
21:20
cuz them stories were passed down from
21:22
one generation to the next, you know,
21:24
when
21:26
supernatural events might happen. you
21:29
know, I I ain't I ain't seen nobody that
21:33
I that I've known, you know, through the
21:36
years as a cook. Um,
21:39
>> what do you mean you haven't seen
21:40
anybody you've known?
21:42
>> Standing up waving at me as I went by or
21:44
sitting at the wagon.
21:45
>> Oh,
21:45
>> you know, when we were cooking uh on the
21:49
JAS,
21:51
there's some very sacred ground there.
21:54
And the JA is the original ranch of
21:57
Charles Goodnight who was the inventor
22:00
and a very prominent Texas rancher. Um
22:03
but he invented the chuck wagon.
22:05
>> Yeah. And there was a set of pins down
22:07
there at one time called the goodn night
22:09
pins. And you didn't mess with it, you
22:12
know. Um to me, I would walk around that
22:16
country when I was there. Cowboys were
22:18
gone. I'd go down there. I didn't touch
22:19
nothing.
22:20
>> Mhm.
22:21
>> You know, you you didn't bother
22:22
something. you left it as it was. Uh but
22:27
I don't know superstitions
22:30
and old cowboy stories
22:33
have gone a long way in life.
22:35
>> There is a thing called death omens
22:39
>> on the cattle trail. Now this has come
22:42
about through a lot of blending of
22:45
cultures because especially back in the
22:47
1800s you had a lot of mixing of the
22:51
vicero which was the kind of like the
22:53
California Spanish uh cowboy you have a
22:56
lot of influence of the Mexican Spanish
22:58
cowboy creole cowboys coming from the
23:01
south and then you've got that mixed in
23:03
with the native American culture so you
23:06
have a lot of interesting blending going
23:08
here and Kent one of The big ones that
23:11
I've heard of, but I don't really know a
23:12
lot about it, is the owl. The hoot owl.
23:23
You heard that at night in your camp?
23:27
Was a bad sign. Someone going to die for
23:29
a morning.
23:31
You know, I'd always heard that all my
23:34
life.
23:35
It's a bad sign. And when this Native
23:39
American friend of mine who was Cherokee
23:41
told me this story and was telling me
23:43
about, "Oh, Kent, this is bad."
23:45
>> What is the story?
23:47
>> I told him, I say, "You know, pal," I
23:48
said, "These I got me the best
23:52
thing singing to me at night." He said,
23:53
"Cows." I said, "No, hud.
23:57
Who? Who else?" And you could see it. He
23:59
was serious. I said, "Yeah, one sits out
24:03
there in the other damn tree. The other
24:04
one sits over in the windmill." And I
24:05
said, They conversing back and forth for
24:08
a long time. He said, "You need to get
24:09
out of that house." He said, "Death is
24:12
coming." That's what he mean by that. He
24:16
said, "Hoot hoots outside your wind at
24:18
night. Somebody's going to die for a
24:19
morning." Now, I don't know if any of
24:22
y'all have heard that, but it was
24:24
something that I'd heard forever.
24:27
Had you ever experienced directly where
24:30
that came to fruition where
24:32
>> or I mean it could be something where I
24:36
don't know like not you directly but did
24:38
somebody close to you die or I I don't
24:41
know.
24:41
>> I don't know. I mean there was
24:43
>> but they they truly believe
24:46
>> Yeah.
24:46
>> that the owl is carries a death omen.
24:50
>> Yeah. That's that's what I heard.
24:52
>> Interesting.
24:53
>> I mean had you ever heard it? I've
24:55
loosely heard that, not but I don't know
24:57
the whole background behind it. Do you
24:59
know where the history of that comes?
25:00
>> No, ma'am. I do not. Uh, you know, I
25:04
I've got a lot of Cherokee friends. We
25:06
could probably ask them. They'd tell us.
25:08
But, uh, if y'all do know, leave us a
25:11
comment. I'd like to find out more.
25:12
>> Animals are have always given signs to
25:16
cowboys.
25:16
>> Yeah.
25:17
>> What are some other other signs that
25:19
you've that you've encountered? I know.
25:22
Um, snakes are kind of a big one, right?
25:26
>> Oh, yes. And I heard this one even from
25:28
when I was little. You know, we ain't
25:32
daddy or grandma or someone kill a
25:33
snake, hang him on fence. I said, why
25:37
are we going to hang him on fence? We're
25:39
going to find out if it's going to rain.
25:41
>> Oh.
25:42
>> And I said, and how are we going to do
25:44
that? He rolls up on his belly. It's
25:47
going to rain tonight.
25:50
This was in August and I don't think it
25:51
ever rained in August, [laughter] you
25:53
know. But, uh, you'd always see an old
25:57
snake roll over a lot of times, you
25:59
know. Okay.
26:00
>> Uh, and if it was going to rain, I wish
26:03
it would have hurried back then because
26:04
I never seen it. But
26:07
>> I'd also heard, you know,
26:10
you don't hear a cow a lot during the
26:12
daytime. how, you know, early morning,
26:15
late evening,
26:17
>> but we'd be out sometime, especially in
26:19
in some cooler weather in the fall, and
26:21
you'd hear an old cow howling midday,
26:24
you know, and uh some of them old men
26:28
tell me, "Bad, bad weather's coming."
26:32
>> If you hear a coyote, how old during the
26:33
day?
26:34
>> Bad weather's coming today.
26:38
And I'll guarantee you 60% of the time
26:40
is right.
26:41
>> Really?
26:41
>> Yeah. And most of that bad weather was
26:43
the wind going to blow about 60 miles an
26:44
hour out of the north, you know, but
26:47
there's,
26:48
you know, you always heard them things,
26:50
listen, listen to the crickets, you
26:52
know, listen to this, listen to that.
26:55
>> I think the early American settlers and
26:57
the people that come way before us had
26:59
such a better guide of
27:01
>> Yeah.
27:02
>> weather
27:03
>> uh of what's going to happen, what's
27:06
taking place by listening to mother
27:08
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27:16
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29:05
Obviously, the cowboy is very connected
29:08
to the horse.
29:09
>> Yes.
29:10
>> And the horse has a lot of signs or
29:13
superstitions connected to it as well,
29:15
right? Um
29:18
what are what are some of those?
29:20
>> Well, you want to get a good horse,
29:22
right? Mhm.
29:23
>> And you're [clears throat] looking at
29:23
him in a pin and you're thinking, "Well,
29:26
you know, he says he's a 1969 model. Got
29:28
20,000 miles on him. His tires is good.
29:30
You know, I think he'll work."
29:33
Got a long man. It's a good looking
29:35
horse. Strawberry Rome, you know. Go out
29:39
there and lift that mane with your arm.
29:40
Lift it. Plum up. Are there swirls in
29:43
that hair right under that man where
29:44
there's like a circle?
29:47
If he is, he's a good one.
29:49
>> Oh, the swirls are a sign.
29:51
>> Yes. And I always look for swirls on the
29:53
back of them too. Some of them have
29:54
right there by the side of their butt.
29:57
Same way in dogs. If you'll look at your
29:59
dog when he's walking away, a lot of
30:01
times they'll have two little swirls
30:04
on that butt bone right out there. What
30:06
does that mean? Good pup. But also
30:09
cowboys trusted a lot of dogs. Had a lot
30:11
of dogs that work for them.
30:13
>> What you look for in a good dog?
30:17
Can he drive the pickup? [laughter] You
30:19
know, that's that's the number one
30:20
thing. But no, spotted mouth. Open his
30:23
mouth, look up in the roof. Always took
30:26
a spotted mouth dog
30:28
>> because they were supposed to be good
30:29
dogs.
30:29
>> Supposed to be the best dogs.
30:31
>> You had mentioned too um something about
30:34
changing a horse's name.
30:35
>> You you you buy a horse and I say, "What
30:38
do you call him?" "Oh, that's old
30:40
Cracker Jack." "Oh, I don't go in
30:42
somewhere call him Cracker Jack." You
30:44
don't change his name. That was bad
30:46
luck. I know the guy who told me one
30:48
time they was roping out mounts on a
30:50
ranch and I said, "What are you riding?"
30:51
He said, "Spong Spongebob." My god, I'd
30:54
change that. No, no, no.
30:55
>> So, what would like It's just bad luck
30:57
to change the name,
30:58
>> you'll get bucked off.
30:59
>> Really?
31:00
>> Yeah. You don't change a horse's name.
31:01
And you didn't really ever ride in
31:03
another man's saddle. That was bad luck.
31:06
>> Do you think horses could sense danger
31:09
before the cowboy could in certain
31:11
situations?
31:12
>> Horses and mules both. when I was
31:14
packing hunters, they seen they smelled
31:19
and seen more bear and wildlife before I
31:21
ever did, you know. Um I've had I've had
31:26
some good horses, but I've had them old
31:28
horses where I'd be trying to get
31:29
somewhere and it'd be an old bad storm
31:32
coming up and I'd be trying to go
31:34
somewhere and they'd be they'd be
31:37
thinking like, "No, we ain't going over
31:39
there. Can't rain him over there." And
31:41
sure enough, the storm was worse over
31:43
there. There was more hail or there was
31:45
more lightning.
31:46
>> Oh,
31:46
>> there
31:48
it's sharp. And they'll take care of you
31:50
if you'll just pay attention.
31:52
>> You know, you had mentioned like weather
31:55
signs and people back in the day were
31:59
able probably to predict weather better
32:01
because there were a lot of nature signs
32:03
that I think are more reliable than our
32:06
meteorologists today. It seems like
32:08
>> we got some meteorologists watching. I'm
32:10
so sorry,
32:11
>> but I I know there's some things that
32:13
you have told me. Um
32:15
>> spiderw webs that are low to the ground.
32:18
>> Yeah.
32:18
>> Are a sign of bad weather or a harsh
32:21
winter.
32:22
>> Well, a sign of bad weather and weather
32:24
change. Wasp nest, big old paper wasp,
32:26
you know, grow have them old big nest.
32:28
If they're low to the ground, going to
32:30
be a bad winter.
32:31
>> Yeah.
32:32
>> You know, up in nave, way up in tall
32:34
house, nah, not so much. Oh,
32:36
>> you know, but closer they get to the
32:38
ground, it's going to be you got
32:40
firewood, you got smoke. Smoke's coming
32:43
out the pipe, then coming back down and
32:46
laying across the ground as it drifts
32:47
away. That is due to two things.
32:51
Barometric pressure is changing low.
32:55
Atmosphere is coming down. Weather's
32:57
been changed. Smoke told you that before
32:59
the weatherman did.
33:01
>> So, if you're you're in back in the
33:04
night herd. Uh-huh.
33:06
>> Or you're moving cows.
33:08
Are they telling you certain signs as
33:10
well?
33:11
>> Yeah. I mean, I never was around 2,000
33:13
hit a long horn in the middle of the
33:14
night singing uh some song, you know,
33:19
but cuz cattle can be very easily
33:23
spooked.
33:24
>> Mhm.
33:24
>> I've had cattle bunched up in a pasture
33:26
in a corner and some tumble weed blow by
33:29
that's got some paper towels hung to it,
33:31
you know, and just it's gone. You know,
33:33
they panic. Um, but I think if you if
33:37
you pay attention cuz a lot of times
33:39
you'll have what we'd call a lead steer,
33:42
you know, somebody that's he's always
33:45
out there in the front, you know,
33:46
>> watching things and being more alert.
33:49
>> And if he takes off, everybody else
33:51
going to follow, you know, so you sort
33:53
of keep eye on him.
33:54
>> So if you can keep him settled, will the
33:56
rest follow?
33:56
>> That'll help, you know, but it ain't so
33:58
much that way cuz you're not having to
34:00
drive 24 mile down the trail, you know.
34:02
>> Yeah. load them in truck, load them in
34:04
trailer.
34:05
>> You know, we've talked a lot about
34:07
superstitions of the 1800s,
34:09
>> but that has continued into culture
34:13
today, particularly with the rodeo
34:16
circuit, and you've been a part of this
34:18
circuit for a long time. Um, so I want
34:21
to go through some of these more modern
34:24
superstitions that the cowboy has kind
34:27
of cultivated,
34:28
>> particularly in the rodeo scene. And the
34:30
one that I hear of a lot is you never
34:34
wear yellow in the arena. Have you heard
34:37
this one?
34:38
>> I heard it. Never never seen it cuz
34:41
nobody had a yellow shirt unless he's a
34:43
trick rider or a clown, you know.
34:45
Everybody else particular. You
34:47
participating in the rodeo.
34:50
White shirt, denim shirt, something.
34:51
>> Well, so I had to look it up because
34:54
yellow traditionally kind of signals
34:57
cowardice or yellowedbellied. Whoa.
35:00
>> And so that's maybe why that came about.
35:03
Now, this had to have been a much
35:05
earlier superstition in the rodeo world
35:08
because now that we have like sponsors
35:11
and teams and stuff, people wear yellow
35:15
and so I don't know that that's really a
35:18
thing. Have you did you ever experience
35:20
anybody saying that when you were No.
35:22
>> No. I mean I I I had the same pair of
35:24
brides in my rigging bag forever. You
35:27
know that when
35:28
>> Were they yellow? No, they weren't
35:29
yellow. [laughter]
35:30
No. Uh they was mostly just manure green
35:34
at times, you know.
35:35
>> Okay. So, we can debunk the yellow one.
35:38
Um the other one is you don't quit a
35:42
practice after a miss. Is that true?
35:47
>> No.
35:49
You don't quit a practice.
35:50
>> Like you don't quit on a miss.
35:52
>> Oh, no.
35:53
>> Like if you're practicing or you're
35:54
rodeoing, if you miss a loop
35:57
>> Yeah. No, you you go back till you get
35:59
it right, get it done. And that's with
36:00
anything in life. You don't you don't
36:03
quit just because you didn't make it.
36:05
You keep trying. You fall off, get back
36:08
on.
36:08
>> Do you think that if you did, what does
36:10
that do? Did that like precursor bad bad
36:14
winning season or anything?
36:16
>> I think in a way it it uh it affects
36:19
where you think, well, you know, I I
36:21
tried I us
36:24
tomorrow.
36:25
>> Yeah. You know, it's a give up attitude.
36:28
You don't give up ever.
36:31
>> Don't wash clothes during a winning
36:33
streak.
36:35
>> Now, that I have done.
36:36
>> Have you? You personally have done this?
36:39
>> Yes. I didn't wash my clothes, you know.
36:41
>> So, if you won a rodeo?
36:42
>> Yeah.
36:43
>> You're talking jeans and h and shirt? No
36:46
wash. No wash until you lost or what? in
36:50
1982 when I was uh
36:52
>> God, I hope you've done laundry since
36:54
1982.
36:55
>> That's when that's when they turned
36:56
yellow.
36:57
>> Yeah.
36:58
>> Uh and I I was having a great time in
37:01
life. Good Lord was protecting me. I was
37:03
making a good living at the time just
37:05
riding bulls and enjoyed it. But I had a
37:09
pair of Wrangler britches
37:12
and a white shirt. O.
37:15
>> And uh and then a denim shirt and that's
37:18
what stayed in that rigging bag. Same
37:20
pair of socks, too.
37:21
>> Oh.
37:22
>> And uh I mean you had a pair of boots in
37:24
there that you always rode in, you know,
37:26
but them britches, you know, when
37:29
if you're talking, hey, I'd won me some
37:32
money four weeks in a row. You could
37:34
stand them up in the corner.
37:35
>> I'm just picturing like So you've got
37:38
this in the rigging bag that's just like
37:42
fermenting in there. Oh, no. No. I mean,
37:44
if it's wet, you leave it out, let it
37:45
dry.
37:46
>> But still, you're not washing. So, like,
37:47
what was the longest streak?
37:49
>> I'd say four weeks.
37:50
>> That's right.
37:52
>> Uh,
37:52
>> I mean, I know I know people do like
37:54
sporting events. Yeah.
37:55
>> Football, you know, they all wear they
37:57
have the lucky jersey they don't wash. I
37:58
mean, I know it's a thing, not just in
37:59
rodeo culture, but
38:01
>> I mean, I didn't didn't stink, you know.
38:03
I I'd get behind the shoots. Are you
38:05
sure?
38:06
>> Yeah. Get behind the shoots and I'd put
38:08
them on, but if there ever was was
38:11
always a sign, too. People used to tell
38:12
me that, "Oh, it's good luck stepping in
38:14
a pile of pile of manure out there." You
38:16
know, "Oh, I had been blessed with good
38:18
luck all my life. It rolled me around in
38:19
it forever, you know."
38:20
>> Did you have like a lucky pair of boots
38:23
or a lucky hat or something that you
38:24
always had to wear?
38:26
>> I wore the same pair of boots and same
38:27
hat when I was rode.
38:29
>> Not because it was luck or just because
38:31
that's what you had.
38:33
>> I don't I don't really think it was ever
38:35
due to luck. It was due to I didn't have
38:36
a lot to go with. Yeah. you know, but if
38:39
something working, don't try to fix it.
38:42
Just let it keep working.
38:43
>> I'm wondering, were there any kind of
38:45
interesting or bizarre rituals that you
38:47
had before a rodeo?
38:51
>> Not not so much for me. I mean, I done a
38:53
lot of stretching, some meditation.
38:56
>> Was there like a a a a thing that you
38:59
told yourself or a prayer that you said
39:01
like every time?
39:02
>> Always said this prayer every time.
39:05
Lord, I come before you and let me do
39:07
this right. Lord, I come before you and
39:10
I humbly ask your protection,
39:13
but I also, Lord, I ask you for
39:15
protection to all those who are here
39:16
tonight. Not just the contestants, but
39:18
those who have driven this distance to
39:20
see people. And I sword also for the
39:22
livestock.
39:24
>> And I said, if it be your blessing,
39:26
Lord, let us see this again tomorrow.
39:29
>> And uh there's a lot of people praying
39:32
back there behind the shoots.
39:33
>> Yeah. you know, a lot of people uh
39:36
getting closer to God and uh because
39:38
sometimes when you're out there in that
39:40
8 seconds,
39:42
you and God and what you're own is
39:44
always there.
39:45
>> Yeah.
39:45
>> You know, and [snorts] so I don't I
39:48
don't remember I do remember this one
39:50
crazy Oh, crazy. I mean, he was a little
39:53
>> He may be listening. Be nice.
39:54
>> No, I think he's I think he's gone.
39:56
>> Is he passed?
39:56
>> Yeah. Uh but he [clears throat]
39:59
he had I won't say it was a chant but it
40:03
was
40:04
>> oh
40:04
>> totally different and it might be like
40:08
he's speaking in tongues nearly but he'd
40:10
be riding these bulls on the ground
40:12
talking to himself I got this I can do
40:15
this you know and he'd be beating
40:16
himself in the chest and everything else
40:18
you know and I'm thinking that guy makes
40:20
me tired you know but uh I don't
40:22
remember anybody like going crazy
40:25
>> were there other what were other rituals
40:28
or superstitions that you know that
40:31
cowboys were doing in the in the rodeo
40:34
arena particularly or maybe just you
40:36
know on a ranch in general
40:38
>> you know back before they made poly
40:40
ropes and nylon ropes there were just
40:42
grass ropes
40:43
>> and a grass rope two things affected it
40:46
heat and wet
40:49
if your if your old grass rope didn't
40:53
have I mean it's just limber you
40:55
couldn't even keep a loop built in it,
40:56
you know, throw it in water tank,
40:58
stiffen it up.
40:59
>> Mhm.
41:00
>> And you know, if it was too stiff, just
41:02
give it some heat. It'll throw it out.
41:05
This old man named Brian Putman, and he
41:08
was a pretty good cowboy. He was. And he
41:10
loved rope.
41:13
But he had his rope. He never changed.
41:18
Seen him break that rope one time and
41:20
old Blackie Moore giving him another. He
41:22
said, "I can't use that. I can't use
41:24
your rope." He said, "Well, you going to
41:26
need a rope."
41:27
>> He couldn't catch a thing rest of the
41:29
day. He said it was changing ropes
41:33
changed his aim.
41:34
>> Oh.
41:35
>> Changed his feel.
41:36
>> Yeah.
41:36
>> He said, "You don't change ropes." And
41:39
I'm thinking, "If they break, you do."
41:41
>> And so that was probably one of the
41:44
biggest things. And you never wore
41:46
another man's hat.
41:48
>> Oh,
41:48
>> that you don't you don't do that.
41:51
>> You also don't touch another man's hat,
41:52
right?
41:53
>> That's right.
41:54
But I uh I was always pretty aware of
41:59
some of these oldtimers
42:01
and a lot of them would it might not be
42:03
a superstition. It might be just the way
42:04
they want to play a trick on you or they
42:06
you know tell you something.
42:07
>> Cowboys are tricksters.
42:08
>> Yeah. But I can remember seven, eight
42:10
years old and we had this mailman by the
42:13
name of Simore and he'd come by
42:16
and you go to mailbox and we had this
42:19
ritual and he'd say, "You going to trade
42:22
pocket knives?"
42:24
I didn't even have a pocketk knife. And
42:26
I said, "Mr. Sai, I don't have a pocketk
42:29
knife." He said, "I'm going to give you
42:31
one." And he said, "Tomorrow we're going
42:33
to trade."
42:35
Well, I'd run out there at 11:30 because
42:38
he come about that time and there he
42:40
seen coming up. He had stopped and they
42:44
called me Rawhide back when I was little
42:46
and he said, "Uh, ready to trade
42:48
knives?" I said, "Well, I don't have but
42:50
one. How are we going? I mean, I I don't
42:53
want to give my knife away." He said,
42:55
"No, you're going to get another one in
42:57
return." But he said, "You got to pay me
42:59
for it." And I said, "What are you
43:01
talking about?
43:05
Give someone a knife,
43:08
what's that person got to do to bring
43:09
good luck?
43:11
He has to pay you a penny, nickel.
43:16
Always pay
43:18
when somebody gives you a pocketk knife.
43:20
>> Yeah. So, I know that is a a tradition
43:23
that or and and also a superstition that
43:26
you have to pay anything for you can't
43:30
ever be given a free knife. You have to
43:32
pay for the knife because otherwise that
43:34
knife will be cursed.
43:35
>> Yeah. It'll cut you. But also, you take
43:37
out a pocket knife.
43:39
>> Somebody say, "Here, let me borrow your
43:40
knife."
43:41
>> Well, if they give it to you and the
43:43
blade is closed, return it that way. If
43:47
you don't, you going to cause him to cut
43:49
himself. Somewhere down the road,
43:50
something going to happen. It's
43:51
superstition. Knife come to you with the
43:54
blade out, you give it back, blade out.
43:56
>> Oh.
43:56
>> Go through a gate. Well, you do. Leave
43:58
it the way you found it. So I want to
44:00
know what is a superstition that you
44:03
still believe?
44:05
>> Well, number one is I ain't going to lay
44:06
my hat on the bed.
44:07
>> Really? So that is still the one that
44:09
the number one thing.
44:10
>> Interesting. We're back to the hat.
44:12
>> Yeah. I mean, and I'm not even going to
44:14
set it down this way flat on any
44:17
surface,
44:17
>> right? Cuz you don't want to bend the
44:19
turn it just like this. That's where
44:20
it's going to set.
44:22
>> But that is that is it.
44:24
>> That's the biggest one for you, huh?
44:26
>> And if Major wasn't asleep, we'd see if
44:28
he had spotted mouth. Oh, I know he's
44:30
got a swirls on his butt.
44:31
>> He's got swirls on his butt and uh
44:35
>> what about you? You got any
44:37
>> my What superstitions? I believe I don't
44:40
I don't know. I think I lean more toward
44:44
like the sacred ground kind of
44:46
superstitions. Like if something
44:47
happened at this place or we don't go to
44:49
this place or don't walk here, I'm I'm
44:51
all about that. I will follow.
44:52
>> I mean, you're of Irish descent.
44:54
>> Oh, yeah. They're very superstitious.
44:55
>> They're very superstitious people.
44:56
Surely you I mean [clears throat]
44:59
>> were they some handed down from y'all's
45:01
generations? I mean your grandpa or
45:03
someone say oh this don't do this do
45:06
this.
45:07
>> You remember any of them?
45:09
>> Not that I like can recall offh hand. No
45:12
but that but yeah the Irish are very
45:14
superstitious people. Um, especially
45:17
especially in Ireland and like like the
45:21
fairies and
45:22
>> Well, I think that's something too when
45:23
we're talking about the different people
45:24
that were in cowboy culture. There were
45:27
so many immigrants that made cowboys
45:29
too, you know, and there was a lot of
45:31
Irish, a lot of Scottish that were
45:33
there. And I think a lot of these
45:36
ballads and songs that they sang around
45:38
the night herd come from these Irish and
45:40
Scottish people.
45:41
>> Yes. Uh but I I just superstitions you
45:46
know there is some superstition
45:48
mountains.
45:49
>> So for a final thought if we're looking
45:51
back over all the generations
45:54
why is it that the cowboy and this breed
45:57
of people who were so practical
46:01
why were they also so superstitious?
46:04
I think it was handed down to them
46:07
cowboy code, ethics,
46:10
uh something that they knew some
46:13
old-timer had told a story and some of
46:16
them old-timers and some of them stories
46:18
they were like sacred ground their stuff
46:20
like sacred writings, you know, hey, so
46:23
and so told me this got to be true.
46:25
Yeah.
46:25
>> You know, uh I think it goes back a lot
46:27
to heritage and history, don't you?
46:30
>> Yeah. And just the oral traditions Yeah.
46:33
that are passed down and that you don't
46:34
really question. Yeah.
46:36
>> Right. Um I I I think it's a very
46:40
interesting culture. Um and I would
46:43
rather be wrong than test it. Like maybe
46:47
this isn't true, but I don't want to
46:49
push it. So
46:50
>> I'm just going to acknowledge it.
46:52
>> I mean I I'm all for everybody having
46:54
the best day they can. You know, um
46:56
Black Cat runs across the road. Hey, he
47:00
had somewhere to go is all I can tell
47:01
you. Do you walk under a ladder?
47:04
>> I've walked under a ladder, walked into
47:06
a ladder, fell off a ladder.
47:07
>> What about like broken like breaking a
47:09
mirror? Have you ever experienced any
47:11
bad luck from that?
47:14
Don't test it.
47:15
>> I broke a mirror when I hit it with my
47:17
head one time in a wreck. That was
47:18
pretty bad.
47:19
>> That was bad luck in general. Yeah.
47:20
>> Yeah. But um I don't know.
47:23
>> I would love to know. Can you guys leave
47:25
us a comment? If there is a superstition
47:28
that we missed, particularly in cowboy
47:31
culture, but if you just have a general
47:33
one that your family has always abided
47:35
by, I would love to know. So, please,
47:38
please comment and let us know.
47:39
>> I ain't no history expert, but I do love
47:41
it if y'all if if you've got some of
47:43
them old folklore stories and
47:46
superstitions and u
47:49
are you superstitious?
47:51
>> I don't know. Well, this was another
47:52
episode that Major slept through
47:55
completely. He even had some big
47:57
snoring.
47:58
>> Yes.
47:58
>> I don't know if anybody else caught it
47:59
that.
47:59
>> He's not superstitious. No,
48:01
>> he's [laughter] not. No, nothing
48:02
bothering.
48:02
>> But thank you all again for joining us.
48:05
If you like the history part, like this
48:07
old kind of cowboy folklore, let us
48:09
know. We can definitely do some more
48:11
historical episodes like [music] that.
48:13
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48:16
and privilege that I tip my hat to all
48:17
the service men and women and all the
48:19
veterans that have kept that old flag of
48:20
flying. We commend you all and lift you
48:22
up in prayer daily. Remember to us, you
48:25
are not fans, you're family. God bless
48:28
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