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welcome in to The hooer Illustrated
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decom Indiana basketball postgame
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wrap-up show John Alden from InTouch
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with Indiana sports with you Dylan
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Trager staff rider for hooer Illustrated
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dcom also with us this evening Hooser
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get a
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7776 overtime win on the road in
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Columbus and my gosh I guess let's do a
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quick recap real quick Dylan here first
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half if we're going to sumon up into a
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couple of words it's kind of you know
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just ho hum right I don't even know if
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that really qualifies as a couple of
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words but it was just kind of same old
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same old there wasn't really anything
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super impressive and then you get to the
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second half and and luk Goody's on fire
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Indiana is making shots they have a
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really they do really good up until
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those final few minutes they're up 10
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points they let Ohio State go on a run
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and it kind of looks like all hope had
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been slowly it was slowly being drained
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out of the hooers late in the second
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half and then you're you're lucky enough
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to get to overtime you I mean it's very
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back and forth five minutes of course
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and then as you posted at the very end
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of the game Anthony Le gets a very very
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big block on the defensive side of
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things to help secure the victory for
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Indiana to get out of Columbus uh with
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the onepoint
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win yeah and I mean going back to what
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you said with the first half you got
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miles rice with two fouls I think in the
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first 10 minutes and that really hurts
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you know obviously with Gabe cups aside
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you don't really have that sort of
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backup guard Galloway wasn't doing much
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in the first half so to not have S of
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your floor General on the court really
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hurt Indiana and you saw as soon as rice
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came back in really in the second half
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the offense started clicking and all of
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a sudden Indiana started snapping into
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things in that second half Luke goody
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wow that was a crazy second half from
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him in the OT coming back after a few
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not so great shooting games to have a
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game like that on the road was huge
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is it safe to say I was thinking about
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this throughout the second half in
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particular and then into overtime it
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kind of felt like Indiana just needed a
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game away from Assembly Hall and I know
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you don't like to be on the road but
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when things have been as ugly as they
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have been the last couple of games in
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particular what happened at home against
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Illinois the game before this you almost
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they almost needed to play away from the
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home crowd because it's not that they
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hate this team or that they hate Mike
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Woodson they just they just dislike like
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what they're seeing on the floor and a
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lot of times they don't always express
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it in in the best of ways and you know
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it's understandable whenever whenever
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frustration sets in I'm not saying that
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fans I'm not trying to tell fans how to
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fan right but at the same time if you're
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a player or a coach on this team this
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was a good experience to have and on top
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of it the outcome that you get out of
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all this uh definitely a good first of
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two games on the road for for
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Indiana I agree and I mean to go onto
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the road to to Columbus and taking a
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team like Ohio State who hasn't been
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dominating the Big 10 but they're a
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solid team year in and year out they're
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a solid team and to take him to OT on
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the road and really finish strong like
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that that's exactly what Indiana needed
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to kind of get that fire back in them
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seeing you know guys like Luke goody and
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Kanan Carlile have those great games
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guys who need to pick their spark back
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up that's exactly what they needed to me
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it really felt
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like this was a doer die situation for
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Indiana tonight and I I know there is
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still plenty of season left but I think
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you could tell that there was a certain
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level of pressure that this team was
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feeling not only coming into the game
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but when things got tight down the
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stretch it really you could kind of
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sense it with everybody on the floor
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that and especially when you saw the
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sigh of relief from from Mike Woodson
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after Indiana secured the win you could
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tell that everybody involved on the
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Indiana side of things knew that this
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was was an absolute must-win situation
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to really Salvage the rest of the season
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moving forward kind of give yourself the
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confidence boost you're gonna go play
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another road game against Northwestern
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in your next contest and that's dare I
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say another another example of a
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winnable Road game that could start to
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give you a little bit of momentum as you
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head into this final third of the
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regular
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season and if they can do what they did
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tonight and bring that momentum over to
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that Northwestern game that would mean a
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lot and this Northwestern team last
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night taking to OT Brooks barnheiser and
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Nick Martinelli two great players that
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would be a huge game to really compete
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in yeah uh I guess Dylan what are kind
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of your overall thoughts just kind of
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big picture stuff I know a lot of things
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have been ugly around this program and I
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mean we're a few mistakes away from from
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really continuing that narrative I don't
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think that a win like this changes the
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overall Outlook it just it it changes
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you and puts you it it pivots you into
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the right direction and if you're able
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to continue and build off of this win a
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couple of more games uh and try to you
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know get that the bad taste of Iowa and
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Illinois out of your mouth I think after
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you do this a couple more times then you
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can kind of start to say okay maybe
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things can be saved after all am I right
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about that I definitely agree and I
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would say with where the sort of morale
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was after that Iowa and Illinois game I
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would say arguably lowest of that Mike
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Woodson era to have a win like this on
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the road in OT and just sort of bring
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that chemistry back up to where you want
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it to be at least sort of try getting it
5:39
back there have a few guys have good
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games and sort of balance out a good
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team win I think everyone contributed
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really well I think that's huge and to
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do this with some good ranked opponents
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coming up is definitely what Indiana
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needed very big tough stretch coming up
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after the Northwestern game in
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particular but I do want to get to a
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comment real quick for you Dylan Jay
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says do you expect Le to stay in that
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starting two spot moving
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forward I think that's tricky
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uh you know I didn't love what I saw
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offensively from him tonight not really
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getting much shots up but then again he
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is hustling on all ends of the floor he
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saw that play at the end of the
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game you know you could also argue as
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there a way to get Kanan Carlile into
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the starting lineup after the game that
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he had tonight I think we definitely
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could see Mike Woodson sort of
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fluctuating and playing around with this
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lineup especially depending on how long
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Bryson Tucker's aside for yeah and plus
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you also got it this this isn't
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necessarily for the guard position but
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the way that Mike Woodson structures a
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lineup not only without Bryon Tucker but
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Malik Renu who's been out for a while as
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well it's going to be interesting to see
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if he starts to kind of change things
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around on kind of a game by game basis
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so that'll be something interesting to
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uh to keep an eye on foil TV says
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thoughts on Mike Woodson's job security
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after tonight's win I think I kind of
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hit up on that or hit on that briefly
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earlier I don't think this win does
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anything to really turn heads whether it
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be you know Outsiders or or Indiana fans
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alike um it's obviously a you know a
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step in the right direction but you know
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as I mentioned earlier I think you're
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going to need more of this to really
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convince people that not only that that
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Mike Woodson will keep his job but that
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this season in general has you know a
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Finish Line to it that is something
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other than just missing the NCAA
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tournament Let's uh let's get to another
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comment real quick JJ Greenberg says
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ballow has been reaching 10 plus
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rebounds consistently do you think he
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will continue to be a double double
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machine throughout big Tim play uh I'll
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share thoughts on this first I mean I
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think I heard Jim Jackson and Gus
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Johnson mention that um ballow had five
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of six games in a row with with double
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doubles so he's kind of turned into a
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double double machine I think just with
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his stature alone if he gives any effort
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especially like what we saw tonight I
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think it's safe to say that he can
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easily get double digit rebounds per
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game now sometimes scoring can be hard
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to come by especially he's not the most
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natural scorer if he's in good positions
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where he's you know and the matchup is
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favorable for him down low which more
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often than not I think he will be in
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those types of situations then I think
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you will see him kind of reach that
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double double Mark more often than not
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Dylan would you say that's a fair
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comment yeah I think it's very feasible
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to see him get that sort of Mark every
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game uh this is his third double double
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in a row and that's three tricky
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opponents Iowa Illinois and now tonight
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uh I think it's very feasible going
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forward and you saw the way he even
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started the game offensively getting
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into the paint and getting to the rack I
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think he had Indiana's first six points
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and just seeing that early on from him
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in Big 10 play is huge I love the way
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he's been playing lately and I imagine
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that'll keep going forward on the
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stretch yeah I would think so as well
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Matt van skak if that is your real name
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I love that name if that's real because
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I don't I don't know what that is sounds
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very
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Scandinavian uh but Matt says Road winds
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are tough regardless of the opponent
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what is still concerning though is the
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lack of identity on this team with the
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heart of big Tim play coming up do we
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see any Improvement on that and that's a
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very interesting comment because I do
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think overall Mike Woodson wants the
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identity of this team and really all of
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his teams to be you know kind of big man
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focused with you know compliments on the
9:46
outside and with with kind of the you
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know influx of injuries that they've
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experienced since the the turn of the
9:53
calendar year we haven't really seen how
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that's going to you know play itself out
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when with the rest of big Tim play now
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whenever Malik renew is able to get back
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into the lineup on a regular basis we'll
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see what that looks like uh but that is
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interesting Dylan do you do you have a
10:11
different take potentially on what you
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think maybe the the current Identity or
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maybe what the aspired identity would be
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for this Indiana team right now I think
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the hardest thing is that you're not
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seeing the same group of guys on the
10:23
floor consistently you know with all the
10:26
injuries and now you've got miles r
10:29
getting into foul trouble early you've
10:30
got so many different lineups that you
10:32
wouldn't have imagined to see at all and
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I feel like that's really taking away
10:36
from what this team can really do on the
10:38
floor and I think you might see this
10:41
true identity once you know the team is
10:43
healthy they can figure out how to get
10:44
rid of those early fouls but you know
10:46
it's gonna take some time to figure that
10:48
out there's still I agree with Mike
10:49
Woodson they got to get over that hump
10:51
to get to there and you tell that's
10:54
that's a bad word or a bad phrase around
10:56
around Fan ding if you're not aware of
10:58
that people don't like the uh getting
11:00
over the hump term so much but Mike
11:03
Woodson likes it because I've heard it
11:04
in just every press conference he one of
11:07
his five
11:08
unshuffle yes it's it's he's playing the
11:11
hits if you will uh let's go let's go to
11:14
Carter Carter challeng says thoughts on
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imbak not playing down the stretch if
11:19
I'm being honest I didn't even realize
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he was off the floor and Dylan I know
11:23
how how close you were paying attention
11:24
to that I didn't realize mbako didn't
11:26
play down the stretch but as cold as
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he's been
11:30
for I mean really for the last several
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games it doesn't surprise me and you
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mean whenever you're in situations where
11:36
you need to score I don't think you
11:38
necessarily want somebody who is on a
11:42
cold streak you know I mean if it's
11:43
somebody who's meant to be you know your
11:46
your best player night in and night out
11:49
which at at one point this season I
11:51
think many people thought Mckenzie and
11:52
bako would be that that's a different
11:55
story but he hasn't really filled into
11:58
that role yet yet I don't
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think yeah I think he's kind of in a
12:03
tough spot because he's shooting so
12:05
poorly even from Beyond The Arc I know I
12:07
think he was 0 for four or 0 for five
12:10
tonight from three area yeah and
12:12
obviously with the way ball is
12:13
rebounding you're not going to put
12:15
mabaka around the paint to to grab
12:17
rebounds so now you're kind of in an
12:19
area where he can't shoot you don't
12:21
really need him
12:22
rebounding and his scoring in the field
12:25
has been so poor and I feel like that's
12:28
really leaving a spot for him to play
12:29
efficiently on this offense and I think
12:33
Mike Woods and the staff just have to
12:34
figure out you know what he can do to
12:36
bring an impact to the team and I don't
12:39
think this is going to come overnight
12:40
but it's been tough watching him play
12:42
and not really figuring out how to be
12:44
beneficial yeah it was weird I saw a
12:47
stat shown up on the screen tonight
12:49
about McKenzie and bako in particular
12:51
and it showed that you know his points
12:53
per game average in the early portion of
12:55
the non-conference versus where he's at
12:57
now it feels like it's the exact not
13:00
even feels like it is the exact opposite
13:02
of what we saw last season when he was a
13:04
freshman he really struggled out the
13:06
gate but then once he got into
13:08
conference play he really came into his
13:10
own and that's why you saw him end up
13:11
getting co-freshman of the year last
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season so I think it's just going to
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take a couple of games for him to make
13:19
some shots kind of get comfortable again
13:22
and I think at that point um we'll see I
13:25
don't want to say vintage McKenzie and
13:27
Bako because I mean it was more like
13:28
just fresh freshman McKenzie mbako we'll
13:30
see him coming to his own is probably uh
13:33
the best way to put it um I'm going to
13:36
look through see if we have any more of
13:37
these comments I want to get through
13:39
before let's just let's throw our man
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Kyler Staley up there right now who's
13:42
normally on these postgame wrapup shows
13:44
but was unable to be on tonight uh but
13:47
appreciate him for all the work he does
13:48
for us and who's real straight he just
13:50
says let let Luke goody cook and I mean
13:53
why not right he had the a career night
13:55
23 points seven for 14 four for seven
13:59
from from three-point range perfect from
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the free throw line and of course had
14:04
that clutch three-pointer in in overtime
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uh definitely especially after the the
14:10
way that the Illinois game ended with
14:12
kind of the the scuffle at the very end
14:15
of the game for him to bounce back with
14:17
this type of performance he has to be
14:19
feeling pretty good right now I would
14:21
imagine yeah I mean he was absolutely
14:23
electric tonight he was knocking down
14:25
shot after shot in the second half and
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that's exactly what you need from him
14:28
that's sort of spark to come in and and
14:31
create that momentum for Indiana that
14:33
really carried them and pushed them
14:35
through overtime in the second half and
14:37
it's great to see it from goody he
14:38
hasn't been knocking down shots
14:40
consistently for Indiana this year but
14:42
hopefully this can be the start of
14:43
something with all the absences for
14:46
injuries on the team I'd love to see him
14:47
start picking up some Groove yeah I
14:50
would love to see that as well I want to
14:51
go to Matt one more time and then we'll
14:53
probably wrap this thing up he has
14:54
another question for us uh you mentioned
14:56
how ballow spent most of this past week
14:59
on the crap list but what were thoughts
15:02
on his effort tonight I think it's weird
15:05
Omar ballow has been interesting this
15:08
over the last really since the end of
15:10
December whenever he was benched for
15:12
quote unquote unknown reasons I mean we
15:15
kind of have an idea of what happened
15:16
some off the floor issues he responded
15:19
in the games after that with some really
15:21
good performances and then you kind of
15:23
have the the lackluster I mean he still
15:25
had a double double against Illinois
15:27
which is weird to think about but the
15:29
moments where you just kind of see him
15:30
standing around and it's just
15:31
embarrassing to see the lack of effort
15:34
but there were many moments tonight
15:36
especially when the game was tight down
15:37
the stretch where you did see him diving
15:39
on the floor really getting his hands
15:41
dirty and uh it it was nice to see I
15:43
don't know if how are we gonna get Umar
15:45
balow and nothing that you and I could
15:47
do Dylan but how is Indiana how is Mike
15:49
Woodson gonna get Umar balow to put in
15:51
that fourth of effort each and every
15:53
night that's that's kind of the key for
15:55
him right now I feel like what the way
15:58
last game ended you know Mike Woodson
15:59
had to have sat him down and gave him
16:01
some words and for him to go into this
16:04
game as fiery as he was with those
16:06
whatever it was six points on the first
16:08
few shots from him at the start of the
16:09
game in the first five minutes and to be
16:11
hustling after all those rebounds he had
16:14
a heck of a ton of offensive rebounds he
16:17
had that one rebound at the end
16:19
stripping it out and getting it for that
16:20
second chance opportunity the way he's
16:23
been playing is the center you need and
16:26
want if you're Indiana basketball
16:28
grabbing everything and those Second
16:30
Chance points are huge and I love the
16:33
way balo's been playing and if he can
16:34
stay like this I think Indiana could be
16:37
in a good spot going forward absolutely
16:39
Indiana gets the
16:41
7776 overtime win against Ohio State
16:44
they now improved to 14 and five I
16:47
believe that is five and three in Big 10
16:49
play they are now fifth in the Big 10
16:52
standings they will travel to
16:54
Northwestern on the 22nd that is next
16:57
Wednesday so a DEC little break for the
17:00
hooers uh to enjoy this win before
17:03
getting back into into conference play
17:06
before like you mentioned a big tough
17:08
stretch of games after Northwestern you
17:10
have Maryland at home which it's not one
17:12
of the better Maryland teams and then
17:14
after that though Purdue on the road
17:17
Wisconsin on the road Michigan at home
17:19
Michigan State on the road those four
17:21
games back to back to back to back
17:25
that'll be a very important stretch for
17:28
where the Indiana team and their their
17:30
season where it ends up going so looking
17:32
forward to seeing how that plays out
17:35
Dylan I appreciate you coming on with me
17:37
tonight uh everybody who was in the
17:39
comments tonight appreciate you as well
17:41
and uh we'll continue to do these as
17:43
often as we can and uh Dylan just thanks
17:46
for for coming on and chat with me about
17:48
this game appreciate you having me John
17:50
Big 10 Basketball after dark you gotta
17:52
love it and it wasn't even against one
17:54
of the West Coast
17:56
teams one the W Co great game tonight
17:58
great game
17:59
this has been another edition of The
18:01
hooer Illustrated dcom postgame wrap-up
18:04
show we'll be back with in touch with
18:06
Indiana Sports I was going to say on
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Monday but we're not I'm not doing a
18:09
Monday show we'll be back with that on
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Wednesday and then we should also have
18:13
another postgame wrap-up show the night
18:16
of the Indiana Northwestern game as well
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so until then we will talk to you next
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time
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