Jens Stoltenberg on Putin, Trump and Europe’s future
Mar 4, 2026
As Russia’s war in Ukraine grinds on and populist politics shake Western democracies, NATO is facing one of the most turbulent moments in its 75-year history. This Friday the former NATO Secretary General, Jens Stoltenberg, joins Lewis to talk about the war in Ukraine, the rise of populism in the West, and how to deal with Trump.
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00:00 — “We knew by Oct/Nov 2021” & how likely NATO–Russia war is
05:27 — Publishing intel & last-ditch NATO–Russia diplomacy before Feb ’22
11:05 — NATO enlargement debate; why the war produced more NATO
13:35 — Would Kyiv fall? Zelensky’s no-fly-zone plea & NATO’s refusal
18:06 — Trump vs Biden on arming Ukraine; why aid was too slow
23:33 — Trump returns: spending rows, US commitments & keeping NATO united
28:49 — Dealing with Trump: style, messaging, and the Nobel question
31:03 — Populism, lessons for centre-left, and closing thoughts
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