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LBC's presenters James O'Brien, Nick Ferrari, and Iain Dale took your calls and made your voices heard.
00:00 – Calvin discusses the importance of reaching people through conversations about animal exploitation and veganism.
03:46 – Caller Lee, an aid worker in Lviv, says that in his local Lviv coffee shop, the word ‘Americano’ is even crossed out on the menu, such is their frustration with their long-standing ally.
09:41 – Richard Tice challenges Ed Miliband’s stance on net zero, claiming that Heathrow’s recent outage was partly due to the airport’s focus on net zero policies.
12:55 – Shaun insists, ‘We can all embrace the flag.’
14:45 – Brendan shares his efforts to celebrate Saint George’s Day at his pub by displaying flags and offering complimentary cheese boards.
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There are many different forms of activism, especially animal rights activism
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that are effective and that reach people in different ways. So your last call is saying this won't reach anyone
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Simply isn't true. I know lots of vegans have all reached veganism by different forms of activism
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that have reached them personally, and that could be anything from health. The majority is a compassion for animals and the fact that they don't want
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to see animals harmed or exploited or used in any way. So she's wrong
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What sort of demos have you taken part in, Calvin? So I've done..
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We've gone to the RSPCA Assured building, shouted on the megaphone there
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I've done outreach in the street where I've offered people vegan food, and I've also been involved in direct action
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I was with Doug where we went inside a slaughterhouse and stood on top of a gas chamber
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We were arrested for that, and we are actually facing prison sentence for doing that
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We better not talk too much about that then, just in case it finds its way to an upper court
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How do you know if a protest has been successful? calvin i think we um by talking to individuals i've been at protests the rsbc assured one where
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we were on the megaphone and we were playing the sounds of uh pigs screaming inside gas chambers
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and we were talking to people on the street who weren't aware that this goes on most people don't
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realize that pigs are gas inside gas chambers and this leads to a conversation when we talk about
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animals being used and being exploited and they go away with that information in their hands if
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or they make a commitment then and there to stop exporting animals and being part of that and they
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agree to go vegan and live a vegan lifestyle okay um is it right to go into a supermarket
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uh yeah i think so um i think most consumers um when they're confronted with the image of you know
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lambs being slaughtered you know anywhere from six weeks old over the easter weekend and they
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see that they might make the uh compassionate choice to not eat that animal and decide to get
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a plant-based option um and i think most people if they if this was outside they would just walk
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with their head down they would ignore the protest that's going on and inside you know when they are
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going to buy their lamb by the way no one stopped them buying that food they were able to buy it
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but they were the picture i see i mean this might i wasn't there and you'll know better than i but
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the picture that i've seen someone does appear to be standing in front of the cabinet so it's It's rather difficult to open the door to get to the lamb
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Yeah, we will stand in front of it, but we will never stop people picking up that lamb
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And we're actually not talking about... It's a lot of difficult, though, isn't it? Do you think? I mean, you just say, excuse me
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and then we move out of the way in these sort of protests. We never actually physically stop anyone
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And the supermarket doesn't... No, I'm absolutely not condoning that. I mean, you just don't behave in that fashion
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It's almost like a form of assault on that young woman. It's not appropriate. Yeah, well, it is assault, yeah
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No, we're on the same level. And the supermarkets allow you to stay there, do they? They will ask us to leave, and then you have your right to protest
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so you can stay for as long as, until the police ask you to leave
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They're the only ones with the powers to do so, and then you might face an arrest if you then continue
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It might become from trespass to aggravated trespass, essentially. Right, and lastly, you think that's appropriate for police time to be used on that
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to get you and your colleagues out of a Sainsbury's or Astro or Waitrose? I don't think it is. I've been in protests where maybe a police liaison officer comes down and says, how long do you plan on being here
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OK, we'll stay. One individual officer might stay there while the protest is going on to make sure that the actual protesters are safe
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And then they will leave when they decide that there's no threat to anyone's safety
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So I do think it's a waste of time for police to attend when there's no threats of violence, unless someone does get violent like this individual
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How are Ukrainian people in general processing? I mean, is it public opinion that the US, that Donald Trump is abandoning them
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I mean, would you hear people in Ukraine at the moment arguing or suggesting or explaining
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that Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump are now allies and Zelensky is the one that's been cast out into the cold by both of them
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Very much so. That sentence is very much pervasive. where I often go for a coffee is the art students cafe
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at the art university around the corner. If you walk in there on the board, you've got the list of coffees
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Americano has been crossed out. Wow. Oh, wow. You know, obviously these are our students
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They're students. They're rebellious. You know, they have a sense of what's going on. Obviously, they might find the odd exception
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But by and large, you know, this is very much the sense
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And it does pass on something else, actually. Just on that awful piece
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I mean, this proposal that has been put forward, it also demonstrates such an abject lack of understanding of history and of current events and current affairs
4:48
And one of the many points that comes out for me is you know one of the great ironies is the MAGA crowd Trump Vance They liked to push this Kremlin propaganda line that Zelensky is somehow some form of dictator
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And here's the great irony, because precisely because he's not the thing that they say he is, it makes this peace proposal worthless
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Because if you take, for example, things like the recognition of Crimea as Russia, oh, it's Zelensky that won't do this, he's causing problems
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Zelensky cannot do this because he's not a dictator. He has to put this before the Ukrainian parliament
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and the Ukrainian constitution will have to be rewritten. Zelensky can't accept this deal
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It has to be accepted by the Ukrainian people and possibly, I may be wrong, someone would need to correct me
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possibly by even a series of referenda. So the man just can't sign away huge tracts of Ukrainian territory
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or sign these deals precisely because he isn't the dictator that they claim he is
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I hadn't clocked that, but of course you make perfect sense and God save us all from referendums
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I mean I guess the bit missing from what you said is just even if he wanted to because he clearly
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doesn't but even if he did he couldn't because of the constitutional requirements that you have
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outlined. It's the same as to think about martial law I think about two weeks ago we had the most
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recent vote on martial law Zelensky doesn't impose martial law that prevents elections it's imposed
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by the Ukrainian parliament and last time I think the numbers were 360 to what 364 the imposition
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of Marlowe Law, Martial Law 1 against. And those 360 votes for
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are made up of even some pro-Russian candidates, even some opposition parties, some
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people who absolutely detest Zelensky. People who stood against him in previous
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elections joking that the guy's just a comedian are voting for the imposition of Martial
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Law. This is not something that Zelensky can just arbitrarily sign away. You know, precisely because
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he's not the dictator that the Russians ergo then Trump and Vance claim he is
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That's such a brilliant point. And I mean And it also explains why they use the rhetorical dishonesty of claiming that he doesn't want elections and he won't have elections
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I mean, it is that mad historical paradigm of accusing them of what you actually are, accusing Zelensky of being what Putin actually is
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But Zelensky demonstrably isn't. Could you imagine if Putin was subject to actual proper democracy
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it would be the world would be an entirely different place never mind russia but there
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they are accusing zelensky of all the things that they're guilty of themselves what's and i hesitate
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to ask this question lee but what what is the big hope where you are at the moment what what is i
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mean if you could somehow coalesce public feeling whether it's the members of parliament that you've
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just described or the broader population or the people that you have personal interactions with
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what's the big hope? What would be the thing that they mention in their
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prayers? As in something that could actually happen as opposed to a divine intervention
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It's such a difficult one to answer, James, because it's such a broad spectrum of people and it's such a big country with
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people with different interests, different areas. But if we were to see
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the continuing resistance and putative defeat of Putin, I mean, it has
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to be a sort of vague assembly of European action and intervention, doesn't it
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That's their only hope. Absolutely, yeah. And I think it comes back to
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what I sort of started with, is it has to come back to there has to be some sense of justice
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Some sense that Russia hasn't just won here and been handed a victory. And that's why this
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appeasement deal is so obnoxious because it does precisely the opposite of deliver justice to the Ukrainian people
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And also this sense of security guarantees has to be there, because otherwise, as so many Ukrainians have said
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Kira Radik, who often appears on British UK, British TV and radio
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Kira often says, we're fighting this war so that our children don't have to. And as much as they want the killing to stop now
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if it means they have to keep fighting so that their children aren't fighting this war
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in five, ten years' time, then that's where they are. So any deal has to have cast-iron security guarantees
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Whoever that comes from, whoever delivers that. But clearly the American word is worthless
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Yeah, and it's worth mentioning that Kira is a leader of one of the opposition parties that you mentioned
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And yet on all of these issues, four square behind Volodymyr Zelensky
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If people want to find out a little more about the work that you're doing at the moment, Lee, in Ukraine, in Lviv, what can they do
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Thank you, James. It's very kind. We're on X as Fierce Calm and we have a website as Fierce Calm
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That's fierce as in angry and calm as in calm. You can find us there on our website or on social media, on Instagram as well, and you can see the work that we do with Ukrainian veterans, MPTs and children
9:43
Next caller's Richard from Birmingham, and I think he wants to refer to this
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Reform UK Richard Tice said that stupid net zero plans were partly to blame for the outage at Heathrow Mr Miliband He make up any old any old sort of polite word
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Baloney is the word I was growing up. I was nervous what word might come next, Mr Miliband
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Yeah, I was quite nervous actually. Look, he'll make up any old baloney
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Just absolutely, you know, look, these people just want, they're on an ideological extreme crusade against this clean energy transition
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which is essential for energy security, essential for creating good jobs and growth
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I've seen absolutely zero evidence of what Richard Tice is talking about
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And I think it says more about Richard Tice than about what happened at Heathrow. So the Richard Tahoumi firms is Richard Tice
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who is the deputy leader of Reform UK and MP for Boston and the Skegness, currently in Birmingham campaigning, I imagine, and joins me now
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You want to have your say back to Mr Miliband. Richard, go ahead, Mr Tice. Good morning. Well, good morning
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and obviously I was listening to your show, as I regularly do
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and was disappointed to hear Mr Miliband refer to me as talking baloney
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Far from it. This is your assertion that Heathrow outage was down to this net zero obsession
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He says it's nonsense, Mr Dice. What's actually happened is that they're embarrassed that I've called them out
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and I've spotted what has happened. Let me just take you to the 118-page Heathrow sustainability report 2024
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it's all about how they get to net zero on the ground they have a biomass heat and power plant
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what they didn't want to do which is what most other sensibly run airports around the world do
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which is have complete operational resilience by having diesel power generators that can kick
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into action if they lose their grid supplies electricity and because Heathrow has been
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driving towards net zero for a very long time uh they didn't want to have that diesel generator
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on the ground i've got that on very good authority and so net is that he's decision
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mr tice yes that was he throws decision that is he throws decision then why would you blame the
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government mr tice no i did i've never blamed the government for i mean i've blamed the government
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for lots of things but ultimately it was the tories that imposed net zero on the nation and
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And it's the Heathrow directors who have essentially put it put their whole operation at risk as it was recently exposed because they didn't want to have a full blown operational backup system
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I've read their 63 page resilience report. Unbelievably, nowhere there does it imagine the scenario where the electricity from the grid is cut off
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I mean, just grotesque negligence and over-focus on net stupid zero. Lastly, Mr. Tice, when the report is published and there may be interim findings within 7 to 14 days
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just briefly, what specifically will you be looking for? Richard Tice. I'll be looking for clarity about why they didn't have the operational resilience
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that other major airports have around the world to ensure that they can keep going
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if they lose energy, electricity from the main grid. The flag of St. George represents the blood of Jesus and the cross of Jesus
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It was also prophet to Mohammed. It was a Jewish rabbi revered by Christianity. We can all embrace that flag
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We can all embrace the seeds of liberalism England gave the world to do this. Heavius Corpus Judicially, Magna Carta politically
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free press, what you're doing now, independent judiciary, trial by jury, all came out of England and we produced the Anglosphere all under that flag
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We can all embrace it. The problem with Starmer isn't it? He should fly the red flag of Marxism
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He's very much in the hard left. and what winds me up to is he dumps my flag
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even though he doesn't believe in Englishness that's me wind up with him
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let me read you this from Alan this is a text from Alan Sean
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Starmer really can't read a room can he he can't read women and now he can't read his fellow Englishman
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his time needs to be up that's broadly what you're saying he doesn't have great political skills
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for a leading politician does he no because he was a Corbynist from the outset
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very much of the hard left Corbyn doesn't celebrate St George's Day today
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even if it was Starmer. He's just playing the field for votes
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You're right about reform as a threat. Reform's bearing down on him now. It's purely political
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Don't believe a word of it. Lastly, before I let you go, and for the listeners who don't recall
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you're an ex-military bloke, and we've talked about your military service in the past. I want to get a word from you, if I might
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You don't have to comment, by the way, on the story we're doing later in the hour. It's on the front page of one of the newspapers this morning
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Hundreds of Special Forces veterans face being unjustly hounded over incidents that occurred decades ago in Northern Ireland
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according to serving and former elite troops. The government is in the process of repealing an act that banned inquests
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and offered a conditional amnesty to those suspected of crimes relating to the Troubles, measures aimed at protecting former soldiers
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They could now be banned. Right. Here's a message for Keir Stommer on St George's Day
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If you mean it don repeal it Protect those men They forfeited their license to protect those seats of Liverpool than we just about behind that flag You stand up for them men of your patchwork Starmer Over to you
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I'm a publican and I have been in this country as an Irishman since 1986
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And I'm over London now. I was in London for many years
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I'm up in Norfolk. And today I put flags, bumpings inside, outside, George Cross flags and the Union Jack all over the pub to promote St. George's Day in my pub
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And I put on lovely cheese boards, complimentary for my customers and friends
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Because they come in St. Patrick's Day, which has just gone on the 17th of March
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and my pub was packed and they all support me. But I'm just trying to, you know
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to encourage the English people to come out and celebrate their day
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And I listen to them all the time. I listen, as a publican, you get to meet so many people
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and they tell you, and some of them are saying, you know, it should be a bank holiday
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This was the conversation today. And, you know, that the government is not doing enough
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for the English people to promote this day. I've done more today than, would you believe it
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than any pub around, and I'm an Irishman. Well, I never thought I would be playing Jerusalem to an Irishman
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Thank you very much. I'm very grateful for that. Do you regard yourself as adopted English
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Listen, I love this country, Ian. I absolutely love this country. my wife is English and I'm very proud of this country
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and I'm very proud of my English friends and my Scottish friends
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and the people in today in my pub were shaking hands with me
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thanking me for putting the flags up thanked me for putting the bunting up
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I'm getting all these thank yous for the last week because no other pub has put even the slightest
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flag or anything up to promote this day I have done it for years
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but today was I went down my way to really promote it this year
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complimentary cheese boards but we're not just having a St George's Day
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we're having a St George's Week and I've got music on on the weekend
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Well you can do because of course the actual St George's Day this year is next Monday
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it turns out That's correct yes I only found this out yesterday myself
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but people did come out today and I treated them to their lovely cheese board, beef
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we've had everything on it and there was strangers in my pub today
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and they couldn't believe it I said, do you fancy something, a cheese board and you name it, it was on it
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and people loved it and they came out and it was just lovely to see them
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my regulars, good customers and good friends and some strangers and I just don't understand
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I really don't understand why we don't celebrate this wonderful day more
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And I'll just give you an example, Ian. I went to a deli in a certain shopping centre today
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to get some nice cheeses and beef. And when I got to the checkout, there was a lady serving me
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She says, you've got a lot of cheeses here, she says. I said, I do, yes, and the grapes and you name it
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And I said, well, it's a George's day. She says, really? Now, this is an English lady in our mid-60s, maybe
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A lovely lady. And I says, do you not know that today it's St. George's Day
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She says, no. And I just didn't get it, Ian. I says, I can't believe that
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And she says, really? And I couldn't believe it. I was telling that story when I got back to my pub
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But I've closed up now because everyone's gone home. But I did come out and celebrate today, and we're going to celebrate the rest of it
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You've closed up at 5 to 10? We're close to about half nine because it's been a long weekend with the bank holiday
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And, you know, and people were in from half three to about half eight sort of thing, you know
19:05
OK. Listen, I like to think I know Norfolk quite well, but I've never been to Denver. Where is it
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Have you heard of a place called Downer Market? I know Downer Market, yes
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well Denver Village is literally five minutes drive out just out the road from there
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and it's a beautiful village we have a beautiful church opposite us
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hundreds of years old I'm the only pub in the village and
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we have quite a lot of people I tell you one of our regulars and I mean
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I wouldn't say a regular but been in quite a few times ex-Prime Minister Liz Truss
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well goodness me
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