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Sarah Pochin accused of creating 'dividing line' in Reform with burka ban question by Lis
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Jun 5, 2025
Reform UK MP Sarah Pochin's call to "ban the burka" in Britain has sparked a fiery row on GB News, as commentator Jonathan Lis claimed the move "would have appealed to Ukip".The representative for Runcorn and Helsby used her first question to as Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer if would consider a ban.FULL STORY HERE.
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Carol, this reform burqa ban story is going to be a massive, I predict
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This is going to follow around Sarah Poacher, new female MP, first female MP for reform
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She came out of the blocs yesterday in PMQ. She could have asked them anything
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She asked Keir Starmer, does he plan to ban the burqa for safety
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like European countries? Which, of course, is not reform UK policy. Reform UK policy is to keep the burqa..
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Well, I was just going to say that, Piers. You're just taking the thunder there right now. No, so she asked this question, which is a bit odd
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because you'd think before you ask your first question you might have a little chat with your reform colleague
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I'm sure she did. And I think... Well, no, she didn't. Who sat next door? Well, apparently she didn't, because a lot of them have just said
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didn't know anything about it. Faraj didn't know anything about it. Faraj, the guy called Zia Youssef, who you know..
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He's the chair. He's the chair. He said... He said... He was the one who called... He said he had no idea
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this was going to be our first question. And he said... And he wrote on Twitter
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which is like a bit of a condemnatory thing to do. He said, I do think it's dumb for a party to ask the PM
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They would do something else Anyway He not wrong is he Well well I mean he doesn he doesn It poor for party discipline I not saying this is any kind of reformed fad No you right it is But it very stupid to open up a dividing line
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within your own party... Well, exactly. Well, he's made an even... It's an unforced error
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He's made an even bigger dividing line as party chairman. It's her fault. It was her fault
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Why on earth? If you know that there is a big dividing line in your party
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which is quite divided on these sorts of issues anyway... Well, she should know, she's an MP
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that these are the sort of issues that would have been, would very much appeal to the old UKIP party
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In fact, UKIP used to talk about this stuff. Oh, stop it. Reform is a successor party to UKIP
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but in all but name. It's nothing to do with UKIP. It's the same party leader
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The left does that all of the time. The left does that. UKIP leader was Nigel Farage
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Yes, but he doesn't support UKIP policy. It's banned in nine countries in France
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Yes, well, exactly. And that's the point. Let's stop going off the point. The point is, she asked, I think, which is a legitimate question
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of the Prime Minister, I think it was a trap for him because whatever he says, he was going to be in trouble
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The trap for her, the trap for them. They the ones he fought into it What she didn realise was that it actually going to stuff her up now Farage has had to come in and he just saying he trying to balance it now by saying it a discussion that we should have at some point
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And he said that on GB News last night, Carol, if you want to see that, you can go to GB News.com
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and have a look at what Nigel said. Yeah. And I think it's... No, he's saying that
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He's saying... Do you think it should be Bambalow? You know, I don't like seeing it. I really don't
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I look at women... Nor do I. In this country, and I see them walking five paces behind their husband
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sometimes two of them, and I think that's not our values. But then you see a very distinguished academic at university
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wearing a burqa and you think, I don't think her husband told her to wear that. Well, no, probably not, but maybe that could be years of being taught
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that that's what you should do. Well, it depends what we're talking about here as well, because I think we say ban the burqa meaning all headscarves
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but that's not really what we're talking about. No, no, no. No, we're talking about the hijab. It's the face covering
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No, it's the face covering. You've been talking about the burqa, which is a face covering. My position on this has always been, as a good liberal
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that no-one should be told what clothes to wear. I don't... It doesn't matter what..
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That obvious It doesn matter Very very funny What other people choose to wear I might not like it especially on this panel often but I not banned from it
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and no-one else should be banned from wearing clothes and actually think that we should have a lot more liberal rules
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on what people are allowed to wear. Do you think it's right? I think women should be allowed to go to this
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Do you think it's right that in a Western liberal democracy, I see women not just wearing the face covering
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I see them wearing, like, cages on their face now, and it's like a metal thing
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No, that's the burqa. The car, as I understand it... That shouldn't be happening
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We've got a problem with your mic, Jonathan, at the moment, so that's probably a relief to quite a lot of listeners
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But don't you think when Starmer talked about strangers and people who feel like strangers are foreign land
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part of that is the massive expansion of the burqa? Yeah, well, I think..
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I would say all head coverings are a barrier to conversation. Yes
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I really do. If I'm sat on the bus next to somebody who doesn't have a face covering or a hair covering
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the chances are we will chat. And if they are covering their face and they're not looking
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it breaks down that communication, and that's a shame
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