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today and that is Lord Hermer, of course this is Keir Starmer's Attorney General, has waded into
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the debate around Nigel Farage, alleged comments he made 50 years ago. Lord Hermer is demanding that
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Nigel Farage apologises. This hasn't even been proven to have happened. If there was any proof
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of it, presumably we'd have seen it by now. Why is the Attorney General, Sir Keir Starmer's man
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getting involved? Does this, to you, feel like a politically motivated attack
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Well, I never condone any comments which were anti-Semitic, whether they were made today or 50 years ago
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But Lord Hermer is the one that should be apologising for the things that he's done over the course of his life
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Look at the clients that he's taken on. Shamima Begum, Gerry Adams, 9-11 and 7-7 terrorists
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He always seems to be on the side of people who hate our country. and maybe he's siding with other members of the government
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to attack those on the right and try and shut down people who want to oppose the Labour government right now David Lammy has also waded in on the same debate on the same morning Call me a cynic It feels like a joined campaign on Times Radio
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demanding that Nigel Farage do the right thing and apologise. Why are they all joining up like this to have a go at Nigel Farage
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I'll put it to you again. Is this a joined-up, politically motivated campaign to try and keep Nigel Farage out of power
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Well, look, I don't know what their motives are, but it sounds like a distraction tactic
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from what's really going on in the country right now. Robert, you're a straight-talking man
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I ask you a straight-talking question. Is this a joined-up campaign? Well, they obviously don't like Nigel Farage, do they
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That's very clear. But what they should be doing is answering questions on a disastrous budget, Rachel Rees' refusal to resign
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for flagrantly misleading the public, and today this attempt to U-turn, get rid of an ancient liberty
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that we've known in our country for 800 years of jury trials, which isn't even going to fix the problem
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which is the court backlog. David Lammy, before Parliament today, ended his remarks by saying that even if he does all of these destructive reforms he can only promise that he might get the backlog down by the end of this Parliament So it another failed calamity experiment
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It's extraordinary how limited, the scale of what they're doing and the lack of, by his own admission
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I've got to ask you on another reform issue. Leah Nitchie, Chris Green, Jonathan Gullis are all off to Reform UK
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making it on the 18th of Jump the Ship, former colleagues of yours
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Are you sad about this? Do you blame your current leader for them leaving? Why are they not standing again at the next election for your party
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Well, they're friends of mine. I am sad that they've chosen to leave the Conservative Party
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They were good members of Parliament, and I hope they continue to serve in some capacity in public life
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The Conservative Party's got to change and prove to the public that it can have their trust and confidence once again
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I want the Conservative Party to be the natural home for every small sea Conservative in this country. So why are they leaving
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It's a judgement on Kevin Badenock, who's doing pretty well at PMQs. we think in our world doing pretty well performing at the dispatch box But look at this The former Deputy Chairman leaving and joining Reform Union You have to ask them Chris I don have a window into themselves but I want to ensure
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as does Kemi, that the Conservative Party is the home for everyone who shares our
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beliefs in a small state, strong borders, lower taxes, a true Conservative agenda for this country
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Do you think down the line there could be the most tactical deployment
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some kind of allegiance between the Conservatives and reform. There's a hell of a lot of talk about tactical voting
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to keep the Conservatives, keep reform out from the political left. Should that be something that the Conservatives think about doing with reform
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Well, Kemi and Nigel both, in their different ways, been very clear that there's no pact or deal to be done
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These are two different political parties, actually very distinct parties, and it's not in the interest of either to get into that kind of debate
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What if you were the leader of the Conservative Party? Well, I'm not the leader of the Conservative Party, am I? That's ancient history. Kemi's our leader right now
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and she's doing a good job, as Chris rightly said. She absolutely skewered Rachel Rees last week
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Robert Jenner, like a true politician. Excellent. Thank you very much for joining us
