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OK. Just turning to this issue of the ID cards
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why do you think Labour won't let you say, if you hold an ID card, you're a man or a woman
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What's going on? Because they don't know what a man or a woman is. They simply won't get off the fence
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So the reality is the government's own review into this, the Sullivan Review, said that this is about policymaking
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for effective policymaking. And remember, this is about access to public services
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It requires you to know somebody's sex or gender. That's the reality. and we already require this information on driving licences, on passports
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The reality is the government's all over a place on this and it's running away from the decision it needs to make
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in terms of effectively what is a woman. So it's a nervousness about re-entering, re-igniting the trans debate over gender and sex
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Yeah, because they just don't understand. They don't know what to do. They're afraid of setting some people within their own, within their voter base
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So that's the reality. and that means that women do not get the protection they deserve
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and the rights they deserve. They've campaigned for four decades. For instance, being able to access single-sex spaces
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based on biological sex, which the Supreme Court said that should be the case
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It's quite clear we are willing to basically put our nail alcoholists to the mast
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and say no single spaces should be accessed on the basis of biological sex The trouble is Labour just don know what to say You got Bridget Phillipson who responsibility for this
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this report from the Equality and Human Rights Commission, which went through September last year
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still sat there because she doesn't know what guidance to issue. It's absolutely disgraceful
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And just finally, if you win power, will you carry on with ID cards, but will you make people say if they're male or female on them
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Well, we've never been against digital ID, because you can access government services
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and you can prove your ID without sending your passport around, but that should be optional, not mandatory
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The government's gone a complete mess. It was going to make a mandatory, then backed off, of course
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but, of course, if this is about public services and useful information is about gender or sex
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of course, that's a question. Kevin Hollerick, thank you. Kevin Hollerick there, Martin
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Now, I've got a statement here from the Cabinet Office. They say this. We want our digital ID to hold as little personal data as possible
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While we're listening to new ideas and use cases, we don't think information about sex or gender is required
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for the current intended uses. And sources tell us this, that they think that it doesn't enhance anything
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by adding the digital ID with the gender. No need to have that on this information
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They're using biometric authentication, and then that's all that's required, and that doesn't require gender data
