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Fundamental rethink of the state is needed after 'dog's breakfast' welfare bill, Lord Glasman says
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Jul 1, 2025
Labour Peer Lord Maurice Glasman has hit out at the Government's "complete failure of strategic planning" after MPs passed the welfare reform bill on its second reading.Speaking to GB News, Lord Glasman launched a scathing attack on the Government's reforms, describing them as "a dog's breakfast".FULL STORY HERE.
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That's a significant majority
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But as you say, this no longer is a meaningful vote. It's just not like that
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It's so confused, so many amendments, so many concessions in this. And you're right, it's not only this
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It's borders, it's loads of different things, migration going on. The backlash is already here
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I mean, we're already reform ahead. And I say this, I'm not going to say I say this with respect, but I don't
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It's just the reality. The Conservatives aren't even in the conversation at the moment because of your record during the last government
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So the stakes are enormously high now. Now, there's one thing that is true
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is that Stephen Timms did say that when this review comes in autumn
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so he gave it a specific time now. We could say that autumn's been September and November, more or less
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he's going to have to come up with a very, very serious welfare reform bill
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There's no prospect of delivering it. There no prospect now of delivering meaningful welfare reform in this parliament They just haven got the votes And actually you got a committee and report stage now coming up of a bill where you presumably have some sort of amendment
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some description come forward from backbenches and I think will set a further direction of travel
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that just goes completely in the opposite. You cannot take people where they don't want to go
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I don't know what Alice is, but I can see there are different dynamics at work. Suddenly Labour MPs are looking at the fact that they're going to lose their seats
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That adds another dynamic to the matter. and I think, you know what, that can change people's principles very quickly
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Well, I think if we're going to change the dynamic, I think we're going to see a reshuffle, is my prediction
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And I think Morgan McSweeney's job is in peril. I think Rachel Reeves is definitely in danger
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and possibly Liz Kendall as well. And then maybe there's a chance to change the dynamic before autumn
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But, yeah, I mean, absolutely right, this isn't a victory. This is like they've castrated their own bill
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And what this actually reminds me of, and Tom, you'll remember this, is when Liz Truss tried to make the fracking bill a sort of confidence motion
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there were these chaotic scenes in the lobbies, whips in tears, and then eventually she had
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to pull the whole thing, and then she quit a few days later. This is what, with that level of chaos, a year into the Labour government
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I agree with that, and I think actually, when you track back what will follow on from today
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the seeds of Keir Starmer demise have been sown in these few days because this has eradicated trust with backbenchers you alienated the Whip office you created a huge public fracker
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with people alarmed about what's being proposed, causing massive concern, and that's damaged relationships
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Boris Glassman, I read an excellent interview with yourself in The Times of the weekend
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and a lot of people watching the show will agree with your vision
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of what the Labour Party at least once was, and that is a party that represented the working classes
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supported them in their darkest hours, but didn't enable them to sit on their backsides
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and fester and rot and drain away from the country. That's what's just been voted for by your Labour Party
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Let's be brutally honest. That vote there won't even scratch the surface
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of the financial and the moral duty to get people out of this cancerous idea
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of sitting around and getting handed out. This has gone the opposite way of your vision
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for your party. Yeah, and it's also a complete failure of strategic planning
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I mean, but as I say, this welfare reform was, what was it, 2 of a future increase So in a way what going to happen now is there going to be Martin I can assure you a genuine political argument within the party now So for example I don think Morgan McSweeney is under threat at all
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I think I would abolish the Treasury. You know, I'd just get rid of the Treasury because it's..
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A lot of ministers are like that. No, because it's an impediment to industrial growth
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It's full of Osborneomics, it's full of your stuff, of useless neoclassical economists who don't understand the first thing about industry
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I mean, and how to produce things. We've lost it. We've got to look at the tragedy of the last 50 years
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You know, first as farce and then as tragedy. I mean, Margaret Thatcher decimated our industrial production
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She destroyed our shipbuilding. She destroyed mining. She destroyed a very industrial base
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And everything's been coped. This whole welfare explosion is to deal with the lack of work
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So when I'm talking about my vision for the party, on the back of the defence spending, which we have committed to
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and it's going to be 4% by the end of the parliament at least, that's the basis of an industrial strategy
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That industrial strategy is fundamental to this direction. So don't imagine, Martin, or any of you, that this argument is over
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It's only just begun
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