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My worry is this will weaponise discrimination against people who are trans
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and will experience further discrimination, further marginalisation, further violence, a further loss of access to living our lives freely
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That's what we're worried about. That's why I'm worried about. And hopefully the government, the HRC, will provide clarity and guidance to service providers
0:25
Does Joanne Lockwood have a point there, Susan? Not really. I mean, we've got the clarity that that was the Supreme Court ruling was giving us that clarity
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And, you know, people like Joanne have really pushed and pushed and pushed
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And they have tried to trespass across women's boundaries for a long time
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Women were quite, I think women had been accommodating for a very long time
0:56
They hadn't raised too many objections. And it was only when people really started to make our lives intolerable that we started to have to fight back
1:09
And I don think look no one in any doubt what sex Joanne Lockwood is It perfectly apparent when you watch that I don understand why that is someone who would be at risk in a men space And if they are at risk in a men space that something that men have to start to deal with because it shouldn be up to women to protect men who might be vulnerable
1:33
There are plenty of men who are vulnerable for all sorts of reasons, not all of them people who identify as being trans
1:39
And we're not human shields for them. And when they talk about not being able to live their lives
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they have had no sympathy for the very many women who have not been able to live their lives
1:52
They have not been able to go shopping because they can't use a mixed sex changing room
1:58
And that's especially the case, perhaps, for ethnic minority religious women. They've not had any sympathy for women who've been frightened to use a rape crisis shelter because it was headed up by a biological man
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They've had no sympathy for these women who've been pushed right to the fringes because of their activism
2:18
And now they're trying to pull sob stories and try to make play on women's kindness
2:24
Well, we were kind for a very long time and it got us into this mess
