Short video introduction about why your dog chases it’s tail!
The sight of a dog chasing its own tail is a classic canine mystery, a spinning, whirling enigma that often leaves owners caught between laughter and confusion.
While this “fuzzy tornado” frequently looks like a bit of unadulterated comedy, it is actually a complex intersection of instinct, emotion, and neurobiology.
The podcast episode is inspired by the article called:
Why Do Dogs Chase Their Tail: The Whimsical Whirl (https://doggozila.com/why-do-dogs-chase-their-tail/)
What appears to be “silly” behavior is often a revealing clue into a dog’s internal world, offering a mix of sensory feedback and even a bit of dizziness-induced euphoria.
By looking closer at the “whirl,” we can better understand whether our dogs are simply enjoying a playful burst of energy (https://doggozila.com/dog-zoomies/) or signaling a deep-seated behavioral message that requires our advocacy.
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For Puppies, the Tail is a “Built-In Toy” for Growth
For a young puppy, the world is a brand-new landscape of sensory information. Often, a roly-poly pup spots a wiggly appendage attached to their rear and hasn’t yet grasped that the object is actually a part of their own body. This discovery triggers a phase of pure exploration where the tail becomes an ever-moving, interactive plaything.
This isn’t just mindless goofiness; it is a vital “chaotic dance lesson.” Engaging in the chase helps puppies develop essential motor skills, coordination, and spatial awareness.
Crucially, it also serves as a solo laboratory for practicing bite inhibition, learning exactly how much pressure is too much before it hurts. It is a self-contained game of tag where the puppy is both the pursuer and the pursued.
“It’s like discovering you have a built-in feather duster you never knew about... it’s a self-entertaining thrill ride.”
The “Attention Trap” and Learned Spotlight Habits
In adult dogs, the motivation for tail-chasing often shifts from biological discovery to social manipulation. Dogs are masters at monitoring human reactions. If a dog learns that a few dizzying spins result in laughter, pets, or even “concerned cooing” from their owners, they will repeat the behavior to secure the spotlight.
This becomes a learned “party trick.”
Consider the case study of Pickles the Terrier, who became a tail-chasing maestro specifically when guests arrived to ensure he remained the center of attention.
When the behavior is driven by a desire for interaction, the tactical response for an owner is to ignore the spinning calmly. By withholding the reinforcement of your attention, you allow the behavior to go through “extinction” while simultaneously rewarding alternative, calm behaviors.
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High-Octane Instincts Gone Rogue
Biology plays a significant role in how often a dog chases its tail. High-energy herding breeds (https://doggozila.com/the-seven-dog-groups/) , such as Border Collies and Australian Shepherds, are bred for an intense, almost hypnotic stare known as the “eye.”
When these dogs lack a “job” or sufficient mental stimulation, their hyper-focused brains may turn inward. Similarly, Terriers possess an exceptionally high prey drive where a flicking tail tip mimics the erratic, fast-moving movement of a rodent, triggering an innate hunt sequence.
In these instances, the behavior is a “default mode” where a dog’s genetic programming misfires because it lacks an appropriate target. To satisfy these drives, owners should provide structured outlets like flirt poles (to mimic prey) or “find it” scent games to engage the brain.
“It’s akin to a primordial circuit lighting up without its intended target,” notes canine ethologist Dr. Ava Waggles.
The Whirl as a Vital Physical Distress Signal
While the chase can be playful, a sudden or persistent focus on the tail in an adult dog is often a warning sign of physical discomfort. Rather than playing, the dog may be desperately attempting to investigate and alleviate an irritation they cannot reach.
Physical triggers can include impacted anal glands, fleas or ticks, allergies, musculoskeletal pain in the hindquarters, or even underlying neurological issues. If your adult dog starts biting at their tail persistently, it is a vital distress signal that requires immediate veterinary attention.
Watch for these Red Flags that signal the whirl has become a medical worry!
* Hair loss on the tail or rump
* Raw skin, bleeding, or open wounds
* Aggression or snapping if interrupted during the spin
* Sudden onset
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One, two, three, and mic check. One,
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two, and now let me ask you something.
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Have you ever wondered why do dogs chase
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their tails? Many dog owners have seen
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their dogs chase their tails, and all of
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them have wondered the same and asked
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the same tail question. I would love to
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unveil more with this discussion and
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learn more white talking about this
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mage. Sue, good day to all gentleman's,
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madams, and the doggies that might
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listen to us. Hello and welcome to
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another episode of the Dog Mind Gears
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podcast by the Doggy Delight. Right
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after you hear a dog respond to the
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commands sit and stay, I feel like the
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spinning dog is um perhaps the most
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universally recognized canine behavior
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in the world.
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>> Oh, absolutely. It's it's iconic at this
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point,
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>> right? But what if I told you that the
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goofy dog chasing its tail right in your
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living room might actually be like
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glitching on the exact same ancient
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predatory instincts that its wild
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ancestors used to hunt Burman.
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>> Yeah, that's the part that usually
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shocks people. I'm just so glad you are
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here with us today for this deep dive.
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Joining me to help decode all this is
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our amazing resident K9 behavior expert.
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>> Well, thank you. It is fantastic to be
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here. And honestly, that is exactly the
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right way to frame this. We look at a
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dog spinning and we immediately project
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our own human concepts of uh comedy onto
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it, you know.
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>> Yeah, we totally
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>> we just see a solo game of tag. But the
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mechanisms driving that behavior,
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whether they're neurological, genetic,
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or environmental, are just incredibly
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intricate.
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>> Which is why our mission today is to
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entirely deconstruct this whimsical
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spinning enigma. And to do that for you
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listening, we are leaning heavily on an
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incredibly detailed source article by
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Helen Thompson.
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>> Oh, she's brilliant.
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>> So brilliant. It's from the awardwinning
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Dogazilla magazine, and they're
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recognized globally for their
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science-led K9 journalism. This specific
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piece which is titled Why Dogs Chase
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Their Tail? The Whimsical Whirl is just
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well, it's an absolute masterclass in K9
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anthology.
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>> It really is. It breaks it down so
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beautifully.
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>> And what initially drew me in was the
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realization that this, you know,
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universally recognized, pure,
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unadulterated goofiness actually carries
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profound, highly specific clues about a
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dog's physical state, their emotional
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well-being, and like you said, their
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evolutionary history. And that is the
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crucial shift in perspective we really
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need to make today. The act itself might
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look silly on the surface, but it's
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deeply rooted in this complex matrix of
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instincts, emotions, and honestly a
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desperate need for environmental
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feedback.
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>> Right?
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>> So, if we want to truly understand the
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behavior to really decode the mechanics
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of it, we have to start at the very
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beginning of a dog's life.
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>> Makes sense.
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>> We have to look at the developing brain
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of a puppy when the physical world is,
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you know, completely brand new to them.
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Okay, let's unpack this because it
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really reminds me of a human baby. You
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know, when a baby discovers its own toes
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for the first time,
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>> yes,
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>> perfect analogy.
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>> They just stare at them in utter
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bewilderment. They clumsily grab them.
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They try to shove them in their mouths
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because the source material actually
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dives straight into the developmental
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biology in a section exploring the great
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tail chase mystery. Why do dogs chase
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their tail as puppies?
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>> It's a great section.
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>> It really is. It paints this vivid
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picture of a fluffy roly poly puppy that
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is barely coordinated enough to walk in
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a straight line and suddenly it spots
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this intriguing wiggly thing attached to
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its back end
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>> and then chaos ensues.
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>> Exactly. And there's a heading that says
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dogs start to chase their tail from
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curiosity.
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Are they genuinely neurologically
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unaware that the tail is attached to
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them?
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>> Yes, actually they are. This is the
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initial discovery phase and it's
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entirely governed by the rapid
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development of the puppy's nervous
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system.
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>> Wow.
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>> The article highlights that they are
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essentially sensory sponges at this age.
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>> But more importantly, their smatensory
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cortex, which is the part of the brain
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responsible for mapping the physical
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body, is still completely incomplete.
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>> Wait, so if I'm understanding this
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right, the puppy's brain literally
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hasn't mapped the tail into its own
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internal schematic yet.
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>> Exactly. So it's processing this
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appendage as a completely foreign
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external object.
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>> Precisely. They lack fully developed
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propriioception.
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>> Okay. Proprioception. Remind me what
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that means again.
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>> Sure. It's the internal sense of body
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position and movement. So when you or I
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move our arm, our brain inherently knows
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where that arm is in space without us
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even having to look at it.
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>> Right. Yeah. I can touch my nose with my
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eyes closed.
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>> Exactly. But a very young puppy does not
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have that neural framework dialed in
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yet. particularly for their extremities
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like their tail.
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>> That makes so much sense.
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>> So when that tail flutters in their
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peripheral vision, their brain doesn't
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immediately register it as self, it
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registers it as movement. And movement
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triggers their innate prey drive,
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>> which leads right into the next heading
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in the article, the puppy playbook,
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instinct and exploration. So this
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intersection of instinct and exploration
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is essentially just a biological reflex
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to movement.
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>> It is a reflex. Yeah. But it's reflex
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that serves a vital developmental
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purpose.
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This slightly chaotic dance lesson, as
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the article affectionately calls it, is
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really a crucible for learning.
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>> So, they're actually working out their
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brain muscles, so to speak,
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>> right? When a puppy whips around to
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catch that moving target, they're
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actively building neural pathways.
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They're developing spatial awareness,
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and they're figuring out the physics of
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momentum and balance.
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>> But what happens when they actually
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catch it? Because, I mean, those needle
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sharp puppy teeth, they're no joke. Oh,
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they really aren't.
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>> And that is perhaps the most important
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lesson of all. When they catch the tail
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and bite down, they receive
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instantaneous unmediated feedback from
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their own nestceptors,
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uh, their pain receptors. Ouch.
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>> Yeah, it hurts. And this is the
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foundation of bite inhibition. They
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learn in real time the correlation
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between jaw pressure and physical
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discomfort.
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>> Oh, wow. So, they're training themselves
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not to bite too hard.
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>> Exactly. It teaches them self-regulation
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in a way that litter mates and mother
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dogs also reinforce, but in this
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specific case, it's entirely
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self-contained.
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>> It's a critical developmental milestone
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disguised as a comedy routine. And this
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segus perfectly into what the article
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calls the built-in toy theory.
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>> Oh, I love this theory.
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>> It's so good. Honestly, it's just
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ruthless biological efficiency. Because
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if you have a puppy with massive amounts
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of unspent energy, what we commonly call
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the zooies, and they have limited
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environmental enrichment, the tail is
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just there.
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>> It's always available,
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>> right? It requires no setup, no
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batteries, and it's literally always
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ready for a game.
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>> And what's fascinating here is the
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neurochemical reward system at play.
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>> Catching the tail, or even just engaging
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in the high-speed pursuit of it,
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completes a micro sequence of the
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predatory instinct. So they get a little
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chemical hit from it.
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>> Yeah, exactly. Doing so releases a small
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burst of dopamine in the puppy's brain.
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So it's highly self-reinforcing.
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>> It provides a kinetic release for that
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pentup energy. And it's just
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uncomplicated pure play behavior
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directed inward.
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>> Okay. So for a puppy, it's cute. It's
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developmentally appropriate and it's
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physically necessary for their brain
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mapping.
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>> Yes. Exactly. But as the source strictly
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points out, that context completely
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evaporates when the brain is fully
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mapped. The article moves into beyond
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puppyhood.
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Why do dogs chase their tail as adults,
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>> which is a whole different ballgame,
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>> right? It notes that dogs do chase their
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tail from puppyhood to adulthood. But if
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you have an adult dog, say a full-grown
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5-year-old Labrador who suddenly starts
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acting like a spinning top, we aren't
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looking at innocent discovery anymore,
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are we?
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>> Not at all. The transition from
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puppyhood to adulthood brings a massive
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shift in the underlying motivations.
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When we examine why adult dogs do this,
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we are navigating a much more complex
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and frankly often problematic behavioral
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landscape
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>> because the wiring is already finished,
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>> right? The neural pathways are already
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established. So, the behavior is now
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serving a completely different function.
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>> And the article tackles this directly.
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It notes that seeing an adult dog
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suddenly take a keen interest in their
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tail should prompt immediate
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investigation, not just laughter.
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>> Yes, that's crucial
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>> because one of the primary drivers, the
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article points out as well, the heading
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is seeking the spotlight. Why do dogs
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chase their tail based on
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attention-seeking habits?
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>> Dogs are incredibly astute observers of
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human behavior. They study our reactions
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constantly.
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>> They really do. The article gives this
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brilliant case study of a neighbor's
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terrier named Pickles.
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>> Ah, Pickles, a classic example.
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>> Pickles became an absolute tailchasing
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maestro, but only when guests arrived at
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the house. He would perform a few
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dizzying spins, wait for the inevitable
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laughter and the oh my goodness, look at
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him from the visitors, and then just
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happily trot off.
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>> He had them perfectly trained.
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>> Here's where it gets really interesting
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because he literally weaponized the
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behavior into a party trick. He trained
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us to give him attention. and he
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absolutely did. Pickles is a textbook
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example of positive reinforcement
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shaping a habit. At some point in his
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past, he chased his tail, maybe just out
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of a brief moment of excitement or
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frustration.
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>> And the humans reacted,
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>> right? The humans around him responded
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with high-pitched voices, eye contact,
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and engagement. And to a dog craving
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interaction, even a chuckle or being
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told, "No, stop that." in a dramatic
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voice is a massive reward.
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>> Even negative attention is attention.
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Exactly. It's still currency. Pickles
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learned that spinning is the fastest,
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most reliable currency to purchase human
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focus.
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>> So, if we consistently reward the spin
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with a reaction, we solidify the neural
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circuit.
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>> Yes. The advice for this specific
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attention-seeking behavior is to
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ruthlessly extinguish the reward. You
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must calmly, entirely ignore the
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spinning.
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>> Just pretend it's not happening.
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>> Exactly. and then heavily reward the dog
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when they choose a calm, incompatible
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alternative, like lying quietly on their
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bed.
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>> But the article issues a massive warning
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here, which I think is vital for anyone
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listening.
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>> Oh, vital.
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>> Sometimes the trigger isn't
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psychological at all. You shouldn't just
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ignore spinning dog without doing your
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due diligence, because the root cause
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might be entirely physical.
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>> This is so important.
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>> The sorfs calls this section the itch
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they just can't scratch. Physical
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triggers.
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>> This really cannot be overstated. An
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intense sudden focus on the tail area in
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an adult dog, especially if it's
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accompanied by snapping, frantic biting,
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or compulsive licking, is a glaring red
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flag for underlying pathology.
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>> They aren't putting on a show.
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>> No, the dog is not trying to entertain
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you. They're desperately trying to
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alleviate physical discomfort, intense
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irritation, or severe pain.
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>> And the list of physical culprits is
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extensive. The article lists fleas and
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ticks obviously, but then it gets into
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allergies, both food and environmental
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impacted anal glands, hotspots, and
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muscularkeeletal pain.
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>> Yeah, the physical side is vast.
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>> Let's dig into the mechanics of that
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because if a dog has an impacted anal
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gland, how does that translate into
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spinning in circles?
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>> What's fascinating here is that it's all
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about anatomy and referred pain. The
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anal glands sit at roughly the 4 and
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8:00 positions just inside the dog's
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rectum.
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>> Okay. Normally, they express naturally
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during a firm bowel movement. However,
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if a dog's diet causes soft stools or
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just due to genetic predisposition,
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these glands can become impacted,
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painfully swollen, and infected.
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>> I know that sounds awful.
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>> It is.
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>> And because of the complex nerve
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clusters in the hind quarters, the
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severe pressure and sharp shooting pain
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can radiate all the way down the base of
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the tail.
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>> That makes perfect sense. To use an
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analogy, it's exactly like having an
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incredibly intense, agonizing itch right
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in the very center of your back that
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your arms simply cannot reach.
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>> Yes,
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>> you would twist. You would writhe. You
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would rub against a door frame. You
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would look completely ridiculous to an
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outside observer, but you're driven by
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absolute physical desperation to soothe
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the nerve.
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>> That is a highly accurate comparison.
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The dog feels a sharp radiating
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sensation and their immediate instinct
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is to investigate and bite at the
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source,
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>> but they can't quite get to it.
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>> Right. And because the tail is moving as
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they turn to look at it, they end up in
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a frantic spin trying to catch the sight
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of the pain.
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>> Yeah.
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>> This is why a thorough veterinary exam
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must be the absolute first step.
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>> You can't just assume it's a quirky
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habit.
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>> Exactly. Assuming a sudden tailchasing
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habit in an adult dog is just a quirk
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could mean you are leaving your dog
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suffering from a painful yet entirely
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treatable medical condition like
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neuropathic pain or severe histamine
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reaction from environmental allergies.
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>> It's literally a distress signal. Well,
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okay. So, we've established that we have
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to rule out medical issues and we have
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to rule out attentionseeking operant
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conditioning,
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>> right? But what if the dog is perfectly
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healthy and you aren't paying any
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attention to them and they are still
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spinning?
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>> Ah, yes.
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>> The article takes us into this
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fascinating section exploring the breed
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factor. Why do dogs chase their tail
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more often in certain breeds?
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>> This is where we delve into the
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ancestral hard wiring of the canine
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brain. It's so interesting.
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>> There's a heading, understanding breed
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predispositions. If you step into a busy
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dog park and observe which dogs are most
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prone to this behavior, a clear pattern
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really does emerge. Right.
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>> It really does. While any dog is
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physically capable of it, high energy
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working breeds, specifically hurting
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dogs like Australian shepherds, border
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collies, German shepherds, and various
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terriers are vastly over represented in
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the data. The source contrasts this with
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breeds that have shorter corkscrew tails
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like pugs or English bulldogs, noting
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that they might find it physically
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harder or just less enticing.
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>> Right? Biomechanics play a role there.
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>> But for the working breeds, it's not
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just about having a long swishy tail.
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It's about what their brains were
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engineered over centuries to do with
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movement.
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>> Exactly. To understand these breed
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predispositions, we really have to look
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at the predatory motor sequence.
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>> Walk us through that.
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>> Sure. In wild canades like wolves, the
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hunting sequence goes orient, stalk,
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chase, grabbite, kill bite, and dissect.
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>> Very linear.
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>> Yes. But over hundreds of years, humans
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selectively bred domestic dogs to
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exaggerate certain parts of this
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sequence and entirely delete others
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depending on the job we needed them to
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do.
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>> Right. The article specifically points
14:16
out hurting instincts gone rogue, the
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collie conundrum. So, how does this
14:21
sequence apply to a border collie? Well,
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hurting dogs were meticulously
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engineered to have an intensely
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exaggerated orient stock and chase
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drive, but the grabbite and killbite
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were strictly bred out so they wouldn't
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harm the livestock.
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>> That makes sense. You don't want them
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eating the sheep.
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>> Exactly. They were bred for eye, an
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intense, almost hypnotic sustained stare
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used to control and intimidate sheep.
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Their brains require constant complex
14:48
problem solving and massive physical
14:50
outlets to process the sheer volume of
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sensory data their genetics demand they
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process.
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>> It's like taking the finely tuned high
14:57
octane engine of a Formula 1 race car
14:59
and dropping it into a commuter vehicle
15:01
that is permanently stuck in stopand go
15:03
rush hour traffic. That immense
15:05
pressurized energy has to go somewhere.
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>> That analogy is spot on. If they don't
15:09
have a flock of sheep in the living room
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to exercise that ion, their own tail
15:13
becomes the default target.
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>> Wow. The article actually cites a theory
15:16
by a very insightful canine pathologist
15:19
named Dr. Ava Waggles.
15:21
>> Oh yeah, I read that part.
15:22
>> She posits that for these hyperfocus
15:25
hurting brains, the tail chase is a
15:27
default mode when their powerful
15:29
instincts are not given an appropriate
15:31
job, the circuit simply misfires.
15:33
>> It just shorts out,
15:34
>> right? The tail flicks in their
15:36
peripheral vision and the brain starved
15:38
for a target lights up the ingrained
15:40
hurting sequence. They stalk and chase
15:43
themselves. The article also has a
15:45
heading asking, "Do dogs chase their
15:47
tail to satisfy prey instincts that
15:50
never fully went away?" And it brings up
15:52
terriers.
15:53
>> Yes, terriers are a different story.
15:55
>> Because terriers weren't bred to herd.
15:57
They were bred for cast control. They
15:59
were bred to dig into tunnels, pursue
16:02
fastmoving vermin, and dispatch them.
16:04
>> Exactly. For a terrier, the human
16:06
breeders exaggerated the grab, bite, and
16:08
killbite portions of the predatory motor
16:10
sequence.
16:11
>> So they want to finish the job,
16:12
>> right? They possess a hair trigger prey
16:14
drive designed to react instantly to the
16:16
erratic darting movements of a rat or a
16:18
mouse.
16:19
>> If terriers see it as prey, is their
16:21
tail chasing more explosive and bite
16:23
oriented than a hurting dog sustained
16:25
stare?
16:26
>> Yes. The source confirms this distinct
16:28
behavioral variance. It's fascinating. A
16:31
border collie might slowly stalk its
16:33
tail before launching into a spin,
16:35
>> giving it the eye.
16:36
>> Exactly. A Jack Russell Terrier,
16:38
however, might experience a sudden
16:40
explosive short circuit. In a moment of
16:43
high arousal or deep under stimulation,
16:45
the swiftly moving tip of their tail
16:47
perfectly mimics a fleeing rodent,
16:49
>> and boom, they launch.
16:50
>> Yep. The instinct momentarily overrides
16:53
their proprioception. The tail becomes
16:56
prey,
16:56
>> which doesn't mean they are aggressive
16:58
or dangerous dogs.
16:59
>> Not at all. It just means their
17:01
biological imperative is momentarily
17:03
misdirected. For both the hurting breeds
17:05
and the terriers, the solution is
17:07
providing a dedicated off switch for
17:09
that instinctual circuit.
17:11
>> Like what?
17:12
>> Advanced obedience, agility training,
17:14
complex puzzle toys, or structured scent
17:16
work. You have to give that Formula 1
17:18
engine a track to run on so it doesn't
17:20
tear itself apart idling in the garage.
17:22
>> I love that. But sometimes, despite an
17:24
owner's best efforts, that engine does
17:26
tear itself apart. The off switch breaks
17:28
entirely.
17:29
>> Sadly, yes. And the article transitions
17:31
into what I found to be the most
17:33
sobering part of the research, a section
17:35
titled, "When fun turns to fixation,
17:39
understanding compulsive tail chasing."
17:41
>> This is a critical distinction for any
17:42
dog owner to understand. We are moving
17:45
from normal play, habituated
17:47
attention-seeking or unspent breed
17:49
instinct into the realm of severe
17:51
neurological dysfunction,
17:52
>> which the source calls canine compulsive
17:54
disorder or CCD, right?
17:56
>> Yes, we are talking about CCD. And it
17:58
compares CCD directly to human OCD,
18:01
obsessivecompulsive disorder. It
18:03
describes behaviors performed entirely
18:05
out of context, performed excessively,
18:08
and driven by profound internal anxiety
18:10
rather than any external trigger. This
18:12
>> is very similar to human OCD.
18:14
>> I was reading the section specifically
18:15
where it asks, "Do dogs chase their tail
18:18
because of environmental factors and
18:19
wondering how does a dog go from just
18:21
being bored to having a full-blown
18:22
neurological disorder?" If we connect
18:24
this to the bigger picture of
18:25
neurobiology, it is about the brain's
18:28
internal reward system being hijacked by
18:30
stress.
18:31
>> Hijacked how?
18:32
>> Well, the article accurately calls this
18:33
heading the stress spiral.
18:36
Anxiety as the engine that makes dogs to
18:38
chase their tail. When a dog is
18:41
subjected to chronic unmanaged stress,
18:43
whether from severe confinement, lack of
18:45
mental stimulation, past trauma, or
18:48
unpredictable environments like loud
18:50
fireworks or storms,
18:51
>> their cortisol levels just spike.
18:52
>> Exactly. their cortisol levels spike.
18:55
They feel an overwhelming sense of
18:56
internal tension
18:57
>> and so they spin to release it.
19:00
>> Yes. Initially the physical exertion and
19:03
the repetitive rhythmic nature of the
19:05
spinning release a flood of endorphins
19:07
in the basil ganglia of the brain
19:09
>> the feel-good chemicals
19:10
>> right endorphins are the body's natural
19:13
painkillers and mood elevators. For a
19:15
brief moment the spinning actually
19:17
works. It numbs the feelings of panic.
19:19
It creates a dissociative trlike state
19:21
that temporarily shields them from their
19:23
anxiety.
19:24
>> I see. So, the behavior starts as a
19:25
coping mechanism. But if I'm thinking
19:27
about neural pathways, I imagine it like
19:28
a heavy wagon wheel rolling over a muddy
19:30
road.
19:31
>> That's a great image.
19:32
>> The first time the dog spins to relieve
19:34
anxiety, it leaves a shallow track. But
19:37
if the stress is chronic and they spin
19:39
every single day to cope, that wagon
19:41
wheel goes over the same path again and
19:44
again.
19:45
>> It carves it out,
19:46
>> right? The rut gets deeper and deeper
19:48
and deeper. Eventually, the brain's
19:51
wagon is stuck in that trench. Even if
19:53
the dog isn't actively stressed in that
19:55
specific moment, the brain defaults to
19:58
the rut because it's the path of least
20:00
resistance. The coping mechanism becomes
20:02
the compulsion.
20:04
>> That is a phenomenal way to visualize
20:06
neuroplasticity gone wrong. The behavior
20:08
becomes neurologically entrenched. The
20:11
dog is no longer choosing to chase its
20:13
tail. The brain is demanding it. It's
20:15
heartbreaking.
20:16
>> It really is. The article presents a
20:17
heartbreaking case study of a rescue dog
20:19
named Buddy that perfectly illustrates
20:20
this.
20:21
>> Oh yes, Buddy. I read that. Buddy
20:23
developed severe tail chasing, but it
20:24
was incredibly context specific. It only
20:27
happened when his owner picked up their
20:28
car keys or put on their shoes.
20:30
>> Those are classic powerful triggers for
20:32
separation anxiety. Buddy's brain
20:34
associated the jingle of keys with
20:36
impending isolation, which caused a
20:38
massive spike in panic.
20:39
>> So, he just shortcircuited.
20:41
>> Yes. His frantic tail chasing was a
20:44
dysfunctional attempt to self soothe in
20:47
the face of overwhelming fear. He wasn't
20:50
playing. He was having a panic attack
20:52
manifesting as a physical compulsion.
20:54
>> So, what does this all mean for the
20:56
owner? You can't just yell stop or no
20:59
when they do this. Doesn't that just add
21:00
more stress?
21:01
>> It absolutely does. Punishment or
21:04
yelling is entirely counterproductive
21:06
and cruel in this context. If you yell
21:08
at a dog experiencing a compulsive panic
21:10
attack, you instantly spike their
21:12
cortisol levels even higher,
21:14
>> which is the opposite of what they need.
21:15
>> Precisely. You are adding intense social
21:18
stress to their existing environmental
21:19
stress. This only deepens that muddy rut
21:22
in their neural pathway.
21:23
>> So, how do you actually help them?
21:24
Because you can't just let them spin
21:26
until they collapse. The article
21:28
outlines a section called Breaking the
21:29
Cycle. Intervention is key and there's a
21:32
heading right after it stating breaking
21:34
this cycle requires a multi-pronged
21:36
approach. Breaking this cycle is a
21:38
marathon, not a sprint. The very first
21:41
step, as we discussed with physical
21:42
triggers, is a comprehensive veterinary
21:44
workup.
21:45
>> To rule out the anal glands and pain and
21:47
all that,
21:48
>> right? Once physical pain is ruled out,
21:50
you must consult a certified veterinary
21:52
behaviorist. In severe cases of CCD,
21:56
environmental changes alone are not
21:57
enough to lift the wagon wheel out of
21:59
the rut.
22:00
>> The trench is too deep.
22:01
>> Exactly. And this is where
22:02
pharmacological intervention comes in.
22:04
The source explicitly mentions SSRIs.
22:07
Let's explain the mechanics of that
22:08
because some people might hesitate to
22:10
put a dog on human psychiatric
22:12
medication.
22:13
>> That's a common hesitation. SSRI stands
22:16
for selective serotonin reuptake
22:18
inhibitor. Serotonin is a
22:20
neurotransmitter that regulates mood and
22:22
anxiety.
22:23
>> Right. The happy chemical.
22:25
>> Well, yes. It keeps things stable. In a
22:27
highly anxious dog, serotonin is
22:29
reabsorbed by the brain's neurons too
22:31
quickly, leaving a deficit in the
22:33
synaptic cleft, the gap between neurons,
22:35
>> so they run out of it too fast.
22:37
>> Exactly. And SSRI temporarily blocks
22:39
that reabsorption, allowing serotonin to
22:41
pull in the gap and properly transmit
22:43
calming signals. It chemically lowers
22:45
the dog's baseline anxiety so that their
22:47
brain is actually receptive to learning
22:49
new behaviors.
22:50
>> It essentially lowers the volume of the
22:52
panic so they can hear the training.
22:54
>> That's a perfect way to put it. Which
22:55
brings us to the behavior modification
22:57
prong. The article talks about a
22:59
technique called DRRI, differential
23:02
reinforcement of incompatible behavior.
23:05
How exactly do we use DRRI to rewire a
23:08
dog's brain?
23:09
>> DRRI is an incredibly powerful positive
23:12
protocol. Instead of telling the dog
23:15
what not to do, you heavily reward them
23:17
for doing something that makes the
23:18
compulsive behavior physically
23:20
impossible.
23:21
>> Wait, like what? Well, for example, a
23:24
dog physically cannot spin in tight
23:26
circles if they are holding a solid,
23:28
relaxed downstay on a mat.
23:30
>> Oh, that's brilliant. So, you train a
23:32
really strong go to your mat and lie
23:34
down cue during calm moments. Yes. And
23:36
then when you see the triggers building,
23:38
say you are about to pick up your car
23:40
keys like with Buddy, you cue the down
23:42
stay before the spin starts.
23:44
>> Precisely. You interrupt the cycle
23:45
before the basil ganglia can initiate
23:47
the motor sequence. You ask for the
23:49
incompatible behavior and you reward it
23:51
with extremely high-value treats or a
23:53
stuffed puzzle toy that encourages
23:54
licking
23:54
>> because licking is naturally self
23:56
soothing. Right.
23:57
>> Yeah, exactly. Over months of consistent
23:59
application, you are actively building a
24:02
new healthy neural pathway, a new road
24:05
beside the muddy rut until the dog's
24:07
brain learns to defel to the mat when
24:09
they feel stressed rather than
24:11
defaulting to the spin. It takes immense
24:13
patience and deep empathy from the
24:15
owner, which makes it so frustrating
24:17
that for decades, society has
24:18
fundamentally misunderstood these
24:20
behaviors.
24:21
>> It's truly tragic how misunderstood it
24:22
is.
24:23
>> The article has a fantastic section
24:25
dedicated to exactly this, the
24:26
mythbusting roundup, separating tailtale
24:29
from truth, because humans love to fill
24:32
gaps in our understanding with
24:33
ridiculous folklore.
24:35
>> We truly do. The history of canine
24:37
behavioral interpretation is rife with
24:39
misconceptions that range from slightly
24:41
amusing to actively harmful.
24:43
>> Let's start with myth hashtag one.
24:45
They're trying to catch a flea circus. I
24:47
guarantee every person listening has
24:48
heard some variation of this old wives
24:50
tale.
24:50
>> Oh, without a doubt.
24:51
>> The idea is the dogs chase their tails
24:53
because they are infested with fleas
24:55
that are literally putting on a tiny
24:56
acrobatic performance on their hind
24:58
quarters. And the dog is trying to
25:00
visually track and catch the individual
25:02
bugs. It is a pervasive myth and it
25:05
stems from a fundamental
25:06
misunderstanding of canine sensory
25:08
processing.
25:09
>> How so?
25:10
>> As we established earlier, fleas and the
25:12
allergic dermatitis they cause will
25:14
absolutely prompt a dog to suddenly bite
25:17
at their tail. However, the idea that
25:20
the dog is visually tracking miniature
25:22
performers is pure fantasy.
25:24
>> Right. The article clarifies that they
25:26
are reacting to the tactile sensation of
25:28
a histamine reaction, not a visual
25:31
spectacle. Yes, dogs don't have the near
25:33
field visual acuity to track a leaping
25:35
flea midair near their own tail tip.
25:38
They just can't see it like that.
25:39
>> So, if fleas are the issue, you're going
25:40
to see frantic generalized scratching,
25:43
hair loss near the tailbase, and
25:45
generalized misery, not a playful,
25:47
focused spin.
25:48
>> Exactly. Attributing a complex
25:50
behavioral response, or even just normal
25:52
puppy play to a non-existent flea
25:54
circus, trivializes the reality of the
25:56
dog's experience.
25:57
>> It's just a lazy excuse. It gives the
25:59
owner a false, simplistic explanation
26:01
that stops them from investigating
26:02
further.
26:03
>> And that trivialization feeds directly
26:05
into myth 2, they're just plain silly,
26:09
which the article explicitly calls out
26:10
as harmful, the idea that tailchasing
26:13
correlates with low intelligence.
26:16
>> This myth is not just wrong, it is
26:18
deeply damaging to the human animal
26:20
bond. There is absolutely no correlation
26:23
between tail chasing in any of its forms
26:26
and a lack of canine intelligence.
26:28
>> In fact, clinical data often shows the
26:30
exact opposite, doesn't it?
26:31
>> It does
26:32
>> because it's the brilliant highdrive
26:34
breeds, the border collies, the poodles,
26:36
the highly perceptive mixed breeds that
26:38
are most prone to this precisely because
26:40
their complex brains are under
26:42
stimulated. Right.
26:43
>> Exactly.
26:43
>> Calling them silly is a profound failure
26:45
of empathy on the human's part. It's the
26:48
Dunning Krueger effect of dog ownership.
26:50
We don't understand their complex
26:51
neurobiology, so we just assume they are
26:53
dumb.
26:54
>> That is a stark but entirely accurate
26:56
assessment.
26:57
>> Think about it this way. Calling a
26:59
highly intelligent dog silly for
27:01
compulsively chasing its tail due to
27:03
confinement anxiety is exactly like
27:05
looking at a human being who has chewed
27:07
their fingernails down to the quick
27:09
because they are suffering from severe
27:11
generalized anxiety and laughing at them
27:14
for being silly.
27:15
>> It's incredibly cruel when you frame it
27:17
like that. It completely shuts down our
27:19
curiosity and absolves us of our
27:21
responsibility to provide an environment
27:22
that meets their mental needs.
27:24
>> When we dismiss the behavior as a lack
27:26
of intelligence, we fail as stewards of
27:29
their well-being. Our dogs rely entirely
27:32
on us to interpret their signals
27:34
accurately.
27:35
>> They don't have anyone else.
27:36
>> They deserve better than lazy, erroneous
27:38
judgments that prevent us from
27:39
addressing the true underlying causes,
27:42
whether those causes are medical,
27:43
genetic, or environmental.
27:45
>> They absolutely do. So, now that we've
27:47
cleared away the folklore and
27:49
established the science, the source
27:50
material offers a brilliant practical
27:52
road map for the listener. In the final
27:54
section, embracing dogs that chase their
27:56
tail, when to relax and when to react.
27:59
>> This is such a helpful section
28:01
>> because we don't want owners panicking
28:03
every time a puppy spins in a circle. We
28:05
need to know exactly how to read the
28:07
ethog of our own dogs.
28:09
>> This raises an important question
28:11
though, right? How do we become better
28:14
observers? This is the crux of the
28:16
entire discussion. It is about
28:17
application,
28:18
>> right? Taking all this theory and using
28:20
it.
28:21
>> We must become astute, objective
28:23
observers of canine body language. We
28:25
have to synthesize everything we just
28:27
discussed. The dog's age, a breed
28:29
genetics, their daily routine, and the
28:31
immediate context to determine if we are
28:33
watching a healthy expression of joy, or
28:35
a glaring red flag.
28:37
>> So, let's break down the checklist the
28:38
article provides. Starting with the
28:40
joyful chase signs, it's probably fine.
28:43
What are the physical markers of a
28:45
harmless happy spin?
28:46
>> A joyful chase is highly contextual. It
28:49
almost always occurs during known
28:50
moments of high arousal and positive
28:52
excitement.
28:52
>> Like the FRAPs.
28:54
>> Yes, the zooies. Another classic trigger
28:56
is the wild burst of kinetic energy dogs
28:59
often exhibit immediately after a bath.
29:01
>> Yes, the wet dog crazies tearing through
29:04
the house, rubbing on the carpet.
29:06
>> Precisely. In these moments, look at the
29:08
dog's overall muscle tone during a
29:11
joyful chase. The body posture is loose,
29:14
wiggly, and relaxed.
29:15
>> It's bouncy.
29:16
>> Very bouncy.
29:17
>> Yeah.
29:17
>> You will not see tension at the base of
29:19
the tail or in the face.
29:20
>> The commissers of the mouth, the corners
29:22
of the lips are usually relaxed,
29:24
sometimes even open in what looks like a
29:26
canine smile. You might hear
29:28
high-pitched, playful vocalizations.
29:31
>> And the article points out a crucial
29:32
metric, interruptability.
29:34
>> Yes, that's key.
29:35
>> If you squeak a toy or happily call
29:38
their name, they instantly snap out of
29:40
it. They abandon the tail and happily
29:41
run over to engage with you
29:43
>> because they aren't locked in,
29:44
>> right? The whole event lasts maybe 30
29:46
seconds to a minute. There is no frantic
29:49
hard biting directed at the tail. Maybe
29:51
just a soft, playful nip.
29:52
>> If you are seeing those signs,
29:53
especially in a young dog,
29:55
>> the article's advice is perfect.
29:58
Relax. Enjoy the moment.
30:00
>> Just laugh at it.
30:00
>> Yeah, it is a completely healthy,
30:02
spontaneous expression of exuberance.
30:04
You do not need to intervene. You just
30:06
get to witness their joy.
30:07
>> But then we have the dark side of the
30:09
checklist. Red flags for dogs that chase
30:11
their tail. When the whirl becomes a
30:14
worry,
30:16
>> this is where we need to be vigilant.
30:18
>> If an owner is listening right now, what
30:20
are the specific undeniable signs that
30:23
they need to pick up the phone and call
30:25
their veterinarian immediately?
30:27
>> The primary red flag is duration and
30:29
frequency. If the dog is spinning daily
30:32
or if a single episode lasts for 5, 10
30:35
or 15 minutes non-stop, the behavior has
30:38
escalated far beyond play.
30:40
>> And the transl-like state, that's a huge
30:42
one, right?
30:42
>> Yes. The lack of interruptibility. If
30:44
you call their name, squeak their
30:46
favorite toy, or even open a bag of
30:48
high-v value treats, and they are
30:50
completely oblivious, locked into a
30:52
dissociative spin that is a severe
30:54
warning sign of compulsive disorder.
30:56
>> Their brain is trapped in that muddy rut
30:58
we discussed.
30:58
>> Exactly. What about physical signs of
31:00
distress during the act?
31:02
>> Any evidence of self mutilation is an
31:04
immediate emergency. If [snorts] the dog
31:06
is causing hair loss, creating raw,
31:08
weeping hot spots, or biting the tail
31:10
hard enough to draw blood, the situation
31:12
is critical.
31:13
>> That's terrifying.
31:14
>> It is. You must also watch the micro
31:16
expressions of body language. Are their
31:19
ears pinned flat against their skull? Is
31:21
their pyrection the hair standing up on
31:23
their back?
31:24
>> Meaning they're stressed.
31:25
>> Highly stressed.
31:26
>> Yeah. Are they panting heavily when the
31:28
room is cool and they haven't been
31:30
exercising? Are they emitting low,
31:32
frustrated growls at their own back end?
31:35
>> The article also mentions aggression
31:37
under this section. If you physically
31:39
try to intervene or stop the spin and
31:42
the dog snaps at you, they are in a
31:44
state of extreme distress and over
31:46
arousal.
31:46
>> Exactly. And to reiterate a point from
31:49
earlier, sudden onset. If your
31:51
well-adjusted seven-year-old dog has
31:54
never chased its tail in its life and
31:55
certainly begins doing it obsessively,
31:57
you must assume a physical medical
31:59
emergency until a veterinarian proves
32:01
otherwise
32:02
>> because it's out of nowhere.
32:03
>> This is your dog screaming for help in
32:05
the only physical language they have
32:06
available.
32:07
>> It is incredibly empowering to have this
32:09
framework. I mean, this deep dive has
32:11
completely transformed how I view this
32:13
behavior.
32:14
>> It really shifts the paradigm, doesn't
32:15
it?
32:16
>> It does. The article finishes off with
32:18
the tail chase end. Celebrating dogs and
32:20
their quirks safely and the most
32:22
important takeaway about dogs that chase
32:25
their tail. We have journeyed from the
32:27
wobbly unmapped neural pathways of a
32:29
clumsy puppy discovering propriception
32:32
through the high octane misdirected
32:34
predatory sequences of working breeds
32:36
and into the complex, often
32:38
heartbreaking realities of neuropathic
32:40
pain and canine compulsive disorders.
32:43
>> We've covered a lot. We dismantled the
32:44
flea circus and the silly dog myths and
32:47
laid out an exact criteria for when to
32:49
laugh and when to act.
32:51
>> We have covered immense ground today and
32:53
I believe the ultimate takeaway is that
32:55
understanding the multifaceted mechanics
32:57
behind why dogs chase their tails makes
32:59
us infinitely better, more empathetic
33:01
stewards of their lives.
33:02
>> Empathy is the key word there.
33:04
>> It equips us to celebrate their innocent
33:06
quirks safely while giving us the
33:07
knowledge to advocate fiercely for them
33:10
when their spinning is actually a silent
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alarm for distress. It demands that we
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look closer. We have to provide the
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physical outlets, the mental enrichment,
33:18
and the stable, stress-free environments
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that their specific genetic blueprints
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require. By doing so, we ensure our dogs
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live balanced, fulfilled lives, whether
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they are peacefully resting at our feet
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or occasionally engaging in a joyful,
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fleeting game of catch me if you can
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with their own shadow. That is a
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wonderful summary and it leaves me with
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one final perhaps provocative thought
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for everyone to ponder as they look at
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their own dogs today.
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>> I'd love to hear it.
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>> If our dogs utilize every fiber of their
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physical bodies, including their tails,
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to communicate with us, [snorts] and if
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they sometimes end up frantically
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chasing those same tails as a
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maladaptive way to cope with the stress
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of the modern human world.
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>> Yeah,
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>> perhaps the real question we need to ask
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isn't why they chase their tails.
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Perhaps we should be asking what their
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frantic spinning is reflecting back to
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us about the confines, the pressures,
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and the artificial environments we have
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built for them to live in.
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>> Oh, that is a profound thought to end
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on. It truly holds a mirror up to us as
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owners. Thank you for listening, dear
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dog lovers. And by now all who are into
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our discussions about all the dog topics
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and regularly listen our furry frequency
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already know that for more detailed
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curious pet parents and to see the right
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ways to become a better dog owner and
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how to offer a healthy lifestyle to all
34:49
dogs. That was all for this episode and
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until the next time, bye-bye to all
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listeners of the Dog Mind Gears podcast.
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PS, especially to our dear friends at
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now remember, when you hear the bark,
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join the pack. Woof woof woof.
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