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The Cloud Show with Magnus Mårtensson ft. Thiago Custódiot - Ep: 44
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Aug 6, 2025
Join this live session with Magnus Mårtensson ft. Thiago Custódiot for the next episode of The Cloud Show with Magnus Mårtensson on September 14, at 01:05 PM (EST). The show is about cloud leadership and all the important questions relating to cloud projects. Certainly, many matters when a company is going to and wants to be successful in the cloud, are about technology. However, there are many additional matters, adjacent to technology, that we also need to tend to regarding business strategy, human resources, organizational change, planning for a technical cloud approach, and many more questions. These conversations are critical for a healthy cloud and for a swift and accurate cloud approach. GUEST SPEAKERS As an Azure Application Modernization Consultant at Xebia, I specialize in guiding enterprises through their digital transformation journeys by modernizing applications to be more scalable, secure, and efficient. With 20 years of back-end development expertise, my contributions have been recognized by Microsoft with the MVP Award in Azure consistently since 2015. I am also the author of a definitive book on Microsoft Azure, sharing best practices and advanced techniques to leverage this powerful platform. I am passionate about delivering solutions that exceed client expectations and thrive on sharing my insights and learnings to foster community knowledge. Beyond my professional role, I am active in speaking at industry conferences, hosting webinars, and contributing to various technical blogs and forums. 📺 CSharp TV - Dev Streaming Destination http://csharp.tv 🌎 C# Corner - Community of Software and Data Developers https://www.c-sharpcorner.com #CSharpTV #csharpcorner #TheCloudShow #CSharp #Interview
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hello everyone and welcome back to the
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hello everyone and welcome back to the
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hello everyone and welcome back to the cloud show today we're going to talk
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cloud show today we're going to talk
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cloud show today we're going to talk about a very important topic how do you
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about a very important topic how do you
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about a very important topic how do you structure your life with everything that
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structure your life with everything that
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structure your life with everything that you need to put in it in order to also
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you need to put in it in order to also
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you need to put in it in order to also be able to keep up with this like
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be able to keep up with this like
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be able to keep up with this like everchanging Cloud world how do
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everchanging Cloud world how do
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everchanging Cloud world how do you train how do you learn and what do
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you train how do you learn and what do
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you train how do you learn and what do you do we're going to talk to a
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you do we're going to talk to a
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you do we're going to talk to a specialist who has done quite a bit of
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specialist who has done quite a bit of
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specialist who has done quite a bit of that who knows a lot about it um and
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that who knows a lot about it um and
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that who knows a lot about it um and therefore we're going to like pick his
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therefore we're going to like pick his
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therefore we're going to like pick his brain for a minute here to see uh what
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brain for a minute here to see uh what
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brain for a minute here to see uh what do you do to to learn about the cloud so
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do you do to to learn about the cloud so
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do you do to to learn about the cloud so the the expert in question is an Azure
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the the expert in question is an Azure
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the the expert in question is an Azure MVP his name is Thiago
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MVP his name is Thiago
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MVP his name is Thiago [Music]
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custodio hello Thiago welcome to the
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custodio hello Thiago welcome to the
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custodio hello Thiago welcome to the cloud show hi thanks for having me
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cloud show hi thanks for having me
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cloud show hi thanks for having me absolutely Ely it's a pleasure it's a
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absolutely Ely it's a pleasure it's a
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absolutely Ely it's a pleasure it's a pleasure to have you here so you're
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pleasure to have you here so you're
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pleasure to have you here so you're coming to us from Houston Texas right
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coming to us from Houston Texas right
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coming to us from Houston Texas right yes I'm basically here it's been five
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yes I'm basically here it's been five
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yes I'm basically here it's been five years already yeah okay cool and you
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years already yeah okay cool and you
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years already yeah okay cool and you work at seia zeia yes Zia yes CIA uh
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work at seia zeia yes Zia yes CIA uh
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work at seia zeia yes Zia yes CIA uh cbia as an Azure application
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cbia as an Azure application
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cbia as an Azure application modernization consultant and so forth so
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modernization consultant and so forth so
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modernization consultant and so forth so and you're an Azure MVP so you're all up
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and you're an Azure MVP so you're all up
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and you're an Azure MVP so you're all up in Azure and doing Cloud stuff and
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in Azure and doing Cloud stuff and
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in Azure and doing Cloud stuff and learning I guess continuously about that
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learning I guess continuously about that
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learning I guess continuously about that and that's what we're going to talk
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and that's what we're going to talk
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and that's what we're going to talk about but anything else that we need to
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about but anything else that we need to
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about but anything else that we need to know about about
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know about about
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know about about you well uh personally I have two
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you well uh personally I have two
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you well uh personally I have two daughters beautiful daughters and three
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daughters beautiful daughters and three
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daughters beautiful daughters and three cats and I love sports and yeah that's
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cats and I love sports and yeah that's
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cats and I love sports and yeah that's it well with two daughters you certainly
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it well with two daughters you certainly
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it well with two daughters you certainly most most certainly keep uh busy at you
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most most certainly keep uh busy at you
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most most certainly keep uh busy at you know I I only have one and and that
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know I I only have one and and that
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know I I only have one and and that keeps me busy so I can only
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keeps me busy so I can only
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keeps me busy so I can only unfortunately only imagine yeah and it's
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unfortunately only imagine yeah and it's
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unfortunately only imagine yeah and it's important that I mentioned that because
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important that I mentioned that because
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important that I mentioned that because you know you need to balance your life
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you know you need to balance your life
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you know you need to balance your life it's not only work it's not only study
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it's not only work it's not only study
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it's not only work it's not only study so you need to organize your day
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so you need to organize your day
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so you need to organize your day otherwise you won't have time for
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otherwise you won't have time for
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otherwise you won't have time for everything right yeah but you've been in
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everything right yeah but you've been in
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everything right yeah but you've been in this game for for for a long time You'
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this game for for for a long time You'
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this game for for for a long time You' you've kind of come up with the same as
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you've kind of come up with the same as
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you've kind of come up with the same as myself like you know we've done Asher
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myself like you know we've done Asher
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myself like you know we've done Asher for a long time we've learned about
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for a long time we've learned about
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for a long time we've learned about Asher and asure has grown like
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Asher and asure has grown like
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Asher and asure has grown like exponentially crazy um and you have to
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exponentially crazy um and you have to
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exponentially crazy um and you have to learn you have to continuously um follow
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learn you have to continuously um follow
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learn you have to continuously um follow along with all the news and all the
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along with all the news and all the
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along with all the news and all the changes yes so I guess that's the that
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changes yes so I guess that's the that
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changes yes so I guess that's the that that is the the topic for today um how
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that is the the topic for today um how
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that is the the topic for today um how do you do that like what is the the the
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do you do that like what is the the the
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do you do that like what is the the the way to have a life outside of tech and
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way to have a life outside of tech and
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way to have a life outside of tech and have a work life in Tech and learn about
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have a work life in Tech and learn about
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have a work life in Tech and learn about the cloud all the time yeah so take it
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the cloud all the time yeah so take it
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the cloud all the time yeah so take it away so there are a couple of things
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away so there are a couple of things
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away so there are a couple of things that I've been doing and works for me so
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that I've been doing and works for me so
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that I've been doing and works for me so for example uh actually let me start
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for example uh actually let me start
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for example uh actually let me start with something important about 20 years
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with something important about 20 years
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with something important about 20 years ago when I was starting my career a
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ago when I was starting my career a
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ago when I was starting my career a friend of mine he gave me an important
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friend of mine he gave me an important
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friend of mine he gave me an important advice and he said Thiago you need to
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advice and he said Thiago you need to
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advice and he said Thiago you need to focus on
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focus on
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focus on uh the fundamentals because fundamentals
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uh the fundamentals because fundamentals
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uh the fundamentals because fundamentals it's uh where the technology will evolve
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it's uh where the technology will evolve
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it's uh where the technology will evolve right it's the building block or the the
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right it's the building block or the the
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right it's the building block or the the important piece where um you need to
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important piece where um you need to
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important piece where um you need to focus B basically that's what he said
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focus B basically that's what he said
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focus B basically that's what he said and from that time I didn't believe him
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and from that time I didn't believe him
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and from that time I didn't believe him but now with more maturity I realized
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but now with more maturity I realized
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but now with more maturity I realized that he he was right and that's
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that he he was right and that's
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that he he was right and that's basically what I do so for example uh
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basically what I do so for example uh
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basically what I do so for example uh couple months ago I wrote a post on
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couple months ago I wrote a post on
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couple months ago I wrote a post on LinkedIn uh sharing that you know I
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LinkedIn uh sharing that you know I
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LinkedIn uh sharing that you know I managed to pass Five certification exams
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managed to pass Five certification exams
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managed to pass Five certification exams in five months something like this and
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in five months something like this and
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in five months something like this and people started you asking me hey CH
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people started you asking me hey CH
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people started you asking me hey CH where's the secret can you share the
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where's the secret can you share the
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where's the secret can you share the secret and in reality there's no secret
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secret and in reality there's no secret
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secret and in reality there's no secret all I have been doing is focusing on the
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all I have been doing is focusing on the
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all I have been doing is focusing on the um fundamentals and then I just need to
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um fundamentals and then I just need to
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um fundamentals and then I just need to update a little bit about what it's new
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update a little bit about what it's new
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update a little bit about what it's new right and that's what I would like to to
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right and that's what I would like to to
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right and that's what I would like to to share for your audience
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share for your audience
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share for your audience so for example as you mentioned aure
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so for example as you mentioned aure
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so for example as you mentioned aure evolved a lot since the beginning but we
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evolved a lot since the beginning but we
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evolved a lot since the beginning but we still have virtual machines we still
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still have virtual machines we still
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still have virtual machines we still have storage accounts we still have
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have storage accounts we still have
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have storage accounts we still have databases we still have networking so
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databases we still have networking so
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databases we still have networking so that's the piece which is the same what
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that's the piece which is the same what
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that's the piece which is the same what it's evolving it's what people are
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it's evolving it's what people are
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it's evolving it's what people are creating on top of that right yeah yeah
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creating on top of that right yeah yeah
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creating on top of that right yeah yeah well I I one of the popular things that
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well I I one of the popular things that
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well I I one of the popular things that I say uh currently is that all of those
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I say uh currently is that all of those
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I say uh currently is that all of those wonderful services that we we uh see
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wonderful services that we we uh see
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wonderful services that we we uh see coming out of Microsoft and that we use
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coming out of Microsoft and that we use
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coming out of Microsoft and that we use for just about everything uh the whole
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for just about everything uh the whole
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for just about everything uh the whole the whole um uh data fabric uh all of
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the whole um uh data fabric uh all of
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the whole um uh data fabric uh all of the AI Services all of those things um
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the AI Services all of those things um
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the AI Services all of those things um are a you know they exist because there
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are a you know they exist because there
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are a you know they exist because there is a fundamental platform underneath yes
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is a fundamental platform underneath yes
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is a fundamental platform underneath yes right that that's that's what Microsoft
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right that that's that's what Microsoft
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right that that's that's what Microsoft has done they've created this massive
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has done they've created this massive
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has done they've created this massive infrastructure with these fundamental
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infrastructure with these fundamental
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infrastructure with these fundamental services like storage and compute and
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services like storage and compute and
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services like storage and compute and various things and now are offering
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various things and now are offering
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various things and now are offering great you know services that you just
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great you know services that you just
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great you know services that you just switch on on top of that right yes
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switch on on top of that right yes
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switch on on top of that right yes you're right uh fabric is the latest one
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you're right uh fabric is the latest one
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you're right uh fabric is the latest one right and as you mentioned if you notice
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right and as you mentioned if you notice
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right and as you mentioned if you notice under the hood uh there is data Factory
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under the hood uh there is data Factory
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under the hood uh there is data Factory there's powerbi there's um
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there's powerbi there's um
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there's powerbi there's um probably what else let me think about it
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probably what else let me think about it
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probably what else let me think about it there'ss yeah there's the storage so all
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there'ss yeah there's the storage so all
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there'ss yeah there's the storage so all those things they exist before but now
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those things they exist before but now
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those things they exist before but now they are packaged in in a uniform way so
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they are packaged in in a uniform way so
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they are packaged in in a uniform way so what what it's new is the pricing model
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what what it's new is the pricing model
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what what it's new is the pricing model but yeah fundamental is the same yeah
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but yeah fundamental is the same yeah
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but yeah fundamental is the same yeah and and integration Services right so so
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and and integration Services right so so
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and and integration Services right so so many things um and and also like um
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many things um and and also like um
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many things um and and also like um access and security integration and and
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access and security integration and and
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access and security integration and and and U those kinds of things data
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and U those kinds of things data
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and U those kinds of things data governance uh kind of built into the
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governance uh kind of built into the
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governance uh kind of built into the service that we can now just simply
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service that we can now just simply
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service that we can now just simply quote unquote right we can turn it on
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quote unquote right we can turn it on
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quote unquote right we can turn it on and consume it yes
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and consume it yes
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and consume it yes you are correct are all fundamentals
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you are correct are all fundamentals
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you are correct are all fundamentals everything that makes it tick
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everything that makes it tick
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everything that makes it tick yes but um it's it's the same for other
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yes but um it's it's the same for other
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yes but um it's it's the same for other services as well so uh every year like
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services as well so uh every year like
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services as well so uh every year like on on build or ignite Microsoft is
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on on build or ignite Microsoft is
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on on build or ignite Microsoft is releasing something new right yeah
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releasing something new right yeah
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releasing something new right yeah sometimes it's being Amplified by
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sometimes it's being Amplified by
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sometimes it's being Amplified by marketing but when you go and look what
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marketing but when you go and look what
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marketing but when you go and look what it's all about you realize oh this is I
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it's all about you realize oh this is I
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it's all about you realize oh this is I don't know maybe just a new package of
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don't know maybe just a new package of
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don't know maybe just a new package of something which is already there or
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something which is already there or
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something which is already there or sometimes it's something brand new which
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sometimes it's something brand new which
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sometimes it's something brand new which you need to you know study but yeah
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you need to you know study but yeah
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you need to you know study but yeah absolutely um so studying then uh for
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absolutely um so studying then uh for
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absolutely um so studying then uh for the exams you have studied for for
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the exams you have studied for for
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the exams you have studied for for multiple exams you have about yes five
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multiple exams you have about yes five
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multiple exams you have about yes five or six of them or something um isn't
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or six of them or something um isn't
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or six of them or something um isn't there a like doesn't it take a lot of
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there a like doesn't it take a lot of
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there a like doesn't it take a lot of effort to to to uh achieve them and then
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effort to to to uh achieve them and then
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effort to to to uh achieve them and then maintain
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maintain
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maintain them as I said yes and no but for me I I
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them as I said yes and no but for me I I
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them as I said yes and no but for me I I can study like two three weeks and
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can study like two three weeks and
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can study like two three weeks and that's enough because I have a good
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that's enough because I have a good
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that's enough because I have a good understanding on the fundamentals right
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understanding on the fundamentals right
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understanding on the fundamentals right so for example there's this dp600 which
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so for example there's this dp600 which
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so for example there's this dp600 which is about fabric I was thinking about
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is about fabric I was thinking about
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is about fabric I was thinking about studying for this one however I don't
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studying for this one however I don't
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studying for this one however I don't have the fundamentals on the data
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have the fundamentals on the data
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have the fundamentals on the data engineering part so it's something that
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engineering part so it's something that
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engineering part so it's something that I need to go uh after first and then
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I need to go uh after first and then
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I need to go uh after first and then only then I master that part I'll be
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only then I master that part I'll be
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only then I master that part I'll be able to you know proper dedicate you two
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able to you know proper dedicate you two
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able to you know proper dedicate you two weeks and and go after this exam so so
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weeks and and go after this exam so so
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weeks and and go after this exam so so for the for the ones who don't know is
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for the for the ones who don't know is
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for the for the ones who don't know is it is it that way uh technically that
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it is it that way uh technically that
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it is it that way uh technically that that these are structured like they are
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that these are structured like they are
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that these are structured like they are layered there's a fundamental um uh
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layered there's a fundamental um uh
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layered there's a fundamental um uh fundamental exam first for something and
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fundamental exam first for something and
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fundamental exam first for something and then there's a something uh you know
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then there's a something uh you know
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then there's a something uh you know more more advanced uh on top of that
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more more advanced uh on top of that
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more more advanced uh on top of that with with a prerequisite you have to do
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with with a prerequisite you have to do
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with with a prerequisite you have to do the fundamental one first and then uh go
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the fundamental one first and then uh go
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the fundamental one first and then uh go further is that how they that's the way
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further is that how they that's the way
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further is that how they that's the way I see it
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I see it
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I see it because uh for example let me use
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because uh for example let me use
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because uh for example let me use analogy here um if you want to build a
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analogy here um if you want to build a
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analogy here um if you want to build a building right uh you can only add more
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building right uh you can only add more
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building right uh you can only add more floors once you have a good fundamental
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floors once you have a good fundamental
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floors once you have a good fundamental otherwise it won't last right and that
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otherwise it won't last right and that
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otherwise it won't last right and that makes sense yeah and so um studying for
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makes sense yeah and so um studying for
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makes sense yeah and so um studying for like you said it takes about two weeks
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like you said it takes about two weeks
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like you said it takes about two weeks how do you make time how do you how do
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how do you make time how do you how do
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how do you make time how do you how do you fit that into your your life you
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you fit that into your your life you
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you fit that into your your life you have a you have a job you have a
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have a you have a job you have a
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have a you have a job you have a daughter you have things right you you
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daughter you have things right you you
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daughter you have things right you you probably want to you know you have a a
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probably want to you know you have a a
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probably want to you know you have a a house or somewhere or you know so many
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house or somewhere or you know so many
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house or somewhere or you know so many things how do you fit everything in your
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things how do you fit everything in your
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things how do you fit everything in your life because that's you know what I hear
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life because that's you know what I hear
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life because that's you know what I hear from a lot of people that it's it's
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from a lot of people that it's it's
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from a lot of people that it's it's challenging to make it all fit yes
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challenging to make it all fit yes
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challenging to make it all fit yes you're right and as I mentioned at the
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you're right and as I mentioned at the
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you're right and as I mentioned at the beginning you need to organize your day
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beginning you need to organize your day
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beginning you need to organize your day so what I noticed from multiple years
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so what I noticed from multiple years
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so what I noticed from multiple years doing this and um you know try different
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doing this and um you know try different
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doing this and um you know try different methods I realized that you have energy
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methods I realized that you have energy
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methods I realized that you have energy and you have time so sometimes when you
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and you have time so sometimes when you
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and you have time so sometimes when you have time you are are out of energy or
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have time you are are out of energy or
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have time you are are out of energy or the opposite right so what you need to
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the opposite right so what you need to
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the opposite right so what you need to do is start earlier your day and that's
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do is start earlier your day and that's
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do is start earlier your day and that's when you focus to study because
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when you focus to study because
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when you focus to study because otherwise let's say oh I'm going to
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otherwise let's say oh I'm going to
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otherwise let's say oh I'm going to study after my work or after I put the
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study after my work or after I put the
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study after my work or after I put the kids on bed or after something you'll be
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kids on bed or after something you'll be
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kids on bed or after something you'll be out of energy so the quality you invest
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out of energy so the quality you invest
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out of energy so the quality you invest won't be the same as if you are you know
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won't be the same as if you are you know
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won't be the same as if you are you know fresh and full of energy so you try to
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fresh and full of energy so you try to
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fresh and full of energy so you try to set aside a block of studying early in
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set aside a block of studying early in
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set aside a block of studying early in the day or first thing in the day yes so
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the day or first thing in the day yes so
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the day or first thing in the day yes so you you know that you get it done yes
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you you know that you get it done yes
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you you know that you get it done yes okay that that's my main advice for
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okay that that's my main advice for
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okay that that's my main advice for people because even if you have more
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people because even if you have more
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people because even if you have more time at the end of your day the quality
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time at the end of your day the quality
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time at the end of your day the quality won't be the same I can guarantee that
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won't be the same I can guarantee that
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won't be the same I can guarantee that because you you'll be out of energy so
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because you you'll be out of energy so
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because you you'll be out of energy so what you need to do H it's
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what you need to do H it's
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what you need to do H it's either uh study when you are commuting
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either uh study when you are commuting
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either uh study when you are commuting so for example you can always play a
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so for example you can always play a
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so for example you can always play a podcast or do uh play video and just
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podcast or do uh play video and just
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podcast or do uh play video and just listen and after you take notes or you
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listen and after you take notes or you
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listen and after you take notes or you do when everybody's sleeping like you
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do when everybody's sleeping like you
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do when everybody's sleeping like you wake up 5 AM and start studying and
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wake up 5 AM and start studying and
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wake up 5 AM and start studying and that's it so I guess same as with many
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that's it so I guess same as with many
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that's it so I guess same as with many other things it's about a priority and a
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other things it's about a priority and a
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other things it's about a priority and a dedication like you if you want this
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dedication like you if you want this
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dedication like you if you want this then you have to like ensure somehow
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then you have to like ensure somehow
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then you have to like ensure somehow that works for you that you have some
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that works for you that you have some
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that works for you that you have some block of time set aside because
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block of time set aside because
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block of time set aside because otherwise it's never goingon to happen
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otherwise it's never goingon to happen
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otherwise it's never goingon to happen yeah and you mentioned an important uh
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yeah and you mentioned an important uh
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yeah and you mentioned an important uh topic here which is about priority
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topic here which is about priority
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topic here which is about priority so if it's important to you you find the
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so if it's important to you you find the
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so if it's important to you you find the time yeah right otherwise you'll find
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time yeah right otherwise you'll find
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time yeah right otherwise you'll find excuses that's it wow okay it's time for
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excuses that's it wow okay it's time for
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excuses that's it wow okay it's time for the the big the big uh sentences here
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the the big the big uh sentences here
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the the big the big uh sentences here now yeah you find you you find time or
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now yeah you find you you find time or
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now yeah you find you you find time or or you find find excuses that's true
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or you find find excuses that's true
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or you find find excuses that's true that's true it's similar to to working
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that's true it's similar to to working
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that's true it's similar to to working out right that there's this other saying
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out right that there's this other saying
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out right that there's this other saying right you make time for your health or
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right you make time for your health or
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right you make time for your health or you will make time for your illness
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you will make time for your illness
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you will make time for your illness something like that right yeah good
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something like that right yeah good
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something like that right yeah good analogy yes that's good analogy right
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analogy yes that's good analogy right
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analogy yes that's good analogy right you you you either or that makes sense
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you you you either or that makes sense
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you you you either or that makes sense and so
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and so
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and so uh what would you recommend how how do
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uh what would you recommend how how do
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uh what would you recommend how how do people like get started with if they if
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people like get started with if they if
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people like get started with if they if they are you know working in this
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they are you know working in this
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they are you know working in this industry and maybe they just want to
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industry and maybe they just want to
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industry and maybe they just want to learn more about cloud or they want to
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learn more about cloud or they want to
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learn more about cloud or they want to sort of climb the ladder to show that
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sort of climb the ladder to show that
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sort of climb the ladder to show that they have initiative because they have
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they have initiative because they have
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they have initiative because they have taken some you know uh certification
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taken some you know uh certification
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taken some you know uh certification levels and so forth like how do you
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levels and so forth like how do you
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levels and so forth like how do you recommend to get started with this like
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recommend to get started with this like
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recommend to get started with this like you've done it for a while so you you
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you've done it for a while so you you
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you've done it for a while so you you would know yes yes yes so in the past
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would know yes yes yes so in the past
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would know yes yes yes so in the past like when when I mentioned 20 years ago
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like when when I mentioned 20 years ago
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like when when I mentioned 20 years ago our best way to acquire knowledge uh was
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our best way to acquire knowledge uh was
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our best way to acquire knowledge uh was through the official training kits you
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through the official training kits you
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through the official training kits you may that yeah right mock Microsoft
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may that yeah right mock Microsoft
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may that yeah right mock Microsoft official curriculum yeah and and the
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official curriculum yeah and and the
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official curriculum yeah and and the training kids as well they were
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training kids as well they were
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training kids as well they were dedicated books for the certification
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dedicated books for the certification
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dedicated books for the certification exam and by the way there there were
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exam and by the way there there were
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exam and by the way there there were topics which only exist on those books
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topics which only exist on those books
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topics which only exist on those books like for example I I remember one guy uh
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like for example I I remember one guy uh
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like for example I I remember one guy uh the same one that gave me the advice uh
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the same one that gave me the advice uh
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the same one that gave me the advice uh he was the only guy we found 20 years
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he was the only guy we found 20 years
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he was the only guy we found 20 years ago with the net remoting uh knowledge
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ago with the net remoting uh knowledge
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ago with the net remoting uh knowledge and we asked him hey how do you know
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and we asked him hey how do you know
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and we asked him hey how do you know that and he men oh it's on this book so
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that and he men oh it's on this book so
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that and he men oh it's on this book so but now the person who wrote the book in
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but now the person who wrote the book in
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but now the person who wrote the book in him they were like there were
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him they were like there were
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him they were like there were two yeah but nowadays it's different
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two yeah but nowadays it's different
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two yeah but nowadays it's different because it takes time for people to
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because it takes time for people to
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because it takes time for people to write books and there's a high chance
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write books and there's a high chance
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write books and there's a high chance that when the book gets published it's
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that when the book gets published it's
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that when the book gets published it's already outdated or soon it will be
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already outdated or soon it will be
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already outdated or soon it will be right so what you need to do is
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right so what you need to do is
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right so what you need to do is acquire um the information as soon as
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acquire um the information as soon as
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acquire um the information as soon as it's uh produced so for videos podcasts
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it's uh produced so for videos podcasts
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it's uh produced so for videos podcasts or kind of fast materials like that but
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or kind of fast materials like that but
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or kind of fast materials like that but uh for people that want to get started I
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uh for people that want to get started I
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uh for people that want to get started I would recommend
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would recommend
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would recommend the uh fundamental certifications like a
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the uh fundamental certifications like a
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the uh fundamental certifications like a z9 Android for example it covers the
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z9 Android for example it covers the
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z9 Android for example it covers the basic of cloud computing not only Azure
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basic of cloud computing not only Azure
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basic of cloud computing not only Azure but that's the fundamental for sure and
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but that's the fundamental for sure and
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but that's the fundamental for sure and then you start going through more
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then you start going through more
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then you start going through more um um specializ it yeah
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um um specializ it yeah
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um um specializ it yeah yeah I would say yeah I I I really like
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yeah I would say yeah I I I really like
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yeah I would say yeah I I I really like what Microsoft did when it kind of
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what Microsoft did when it kind of
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what Microsoft did when it kind of overhauled and kind of gathered
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overhauled and kind of gathered
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overhauled and kind of gathered everything documentation as well as
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everything documentation as well as
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everything documentation as well as training uh under the learn moniker
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training uh under the learn moniker
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training uh under the learn moniker right learn. microsoft.com yes
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right learn. microsoft.com yes
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right learn. microsoft.com yes everything is there essentially right um
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everything is there essentially right um
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everything is there essentially right um so because there are so many um
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so because there are so many um
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so because there are so many um different items in there to to learn
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different items in there to to learn
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different items in there to to learn about one way to start is to look at the
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about one way to start is to look at the
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about one way to start is to look at the certifications and try to figure out
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certifications and try to figure out
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certifications and try to figure out which ones you want to take but if you
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which ones you want to take but if you
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which ones you want to take but if you don't know which Tech you might find you
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don't know which Tech you might find you
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don't know which Tech you might find you know fun there you can start also from
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know fun there you can start also from
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know fun there you can start also from the other side of it saying oh there are
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the other side of it saying oh there are
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the other side of it saying oh there are different they call them learning paths
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different they call them learning paths
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different they call them learning paths right
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right
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right like read about them right figure out
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like read about them right figure out
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like read about them right figure out which ones there are um would that be a
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which ones there are um would that be a
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which ones there are um would that be a good approach as well and then find
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good approach as well and then find
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good approach as well and then find something that sounds fun start learning
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something that sounds fun start learning
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something that sounds fun start learning about that that's one approach for sure
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about that that's one approach for sure
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about that that's one approach for sure the other approach is for example when
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the other approach is for example when
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the other approach is for example when you try to solve your own problems so
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you try to solve your own problems so
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you try to solve your own problems so for example I want to
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for example I want to
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for example I want to automate um sending emails to clients
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automate um sending emails to clients
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automate um sending emails to clients for example so you start to map which
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for example so you start to map which
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for example so you start to map which Services I could use which will help me
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Services I could use which will help me
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Services I could use which will help me automate this um you know this task so I
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automate this um you know this task so I
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automate this um you know this task so I could use LGE caps for example or I
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could use LGE caps for example or I
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could use LGE caps for example or I could use aure functions or something
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could use aure functions or something
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could use aure functions or something like this so little by little you start
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like this so little by little you start
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like this so little by little you start uh getting contact with those services
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uh getting contact with those services
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uh getting contact with those services and then you start to create a map in
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and then you start to create a map in
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and then you start to create a map in your mind uh like the different Services
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your mind uh like the different Services
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your mind uh like the different Services you can use to achieve a specific goal
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you can use to achieve a specific goal
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you can use to achieve a specific goal and then you go from there sounds about
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and then you go from there sounds about
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and then you go from there sounds about right a practical approach in my opinion
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right a practical approach in my opinion
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right a practical approach in my opinion yeah okay so then you have um
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yeah okay so then you have um
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yeah okay so then you have um certifications and uh I know this a
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certifications and uh I know this a
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certifications and uh I know this a leading uh question because the answer
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leading uh question because the answer
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leading uh question because the answer is no uh you don't then do you have them
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is no uh you don't then do you have them
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is no uh you don't then do you have them for life then you get a certification
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for life then you get a certification
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for life then you get a certification what
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what
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what happens well what happens is pretty much
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happens well what happens is pretty much
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happens well what happens is pretty much um it ATT tests that you have the the
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um it ATT tests that you have the the
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um it ATT tests that you have the the knowledge on a specific area and that's
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knowledge on a specific area and that's
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knowledge on a specific area and that's it but after some time you need to uh
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it but after some time you need to uh
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it but after some time you need to uh renew this certification because as as
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renew this certification because as as
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renew this certification because as as we've mentioned before things are always
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we've mentioned before things are always
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we've mentioned before things are always ch changing in cloud computing and it in
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ch changing in cloud computing and it in
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ch changing in cloud computing and it in general so but you still need to go to
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general so but you still need to go to
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general so but you still need to go to like a test center and take a test for
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like a test center and take a test for
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like a test center and take a test for certification right no you can do online
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certification right no you can do online
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certification right no you can do online if you want you don't need to go to your
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if you want you don't need to go to your
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if you want you don't need to go to your test center anymore that's that's good
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test center anymore that's that's good
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test center anymore that's that's good in my opinion there's the online online
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in my opinion there's the online online
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in my opinion there's the online online options as well where you sit and and do
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options as well where you sit and and do
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options as well where you sit and and do the thing online and and you get
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the thing online and and you get
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the thing online and and you get assessed and and okay and then and then
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assessed and and okay and then and then
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assessed and and okay and then and then you get to um renew them later on yes
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you get to um renew them later on yes
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you get to um renew them later on yes for about months something like this
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for about months something like this
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for about months something like this okay okay and then you keep them up to
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okay okay and then you keep them up to
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okay okay and then you keep them up to date okay yeah one important little
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date okay yeah one important little
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date okay yeah one important little details sorry you don't need to take the
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details sorry you don't need to take the
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details sorry you don't need to take the entire exam again it's more like um
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entire exam again it's more like um
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entire exam again it's more like um couple of questions uh about the
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couple of questions uh about the
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couple of questions uh about the different topics of the exam so it's I
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different topics of the exam so it's I
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different topics of the exam so it's I would say it's I don't know maybe 30%
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would say it's I don't know maybe 30%
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would say it's I don't know maybe 30% less questions yeah okay so it's just a
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less questions yeah okay so it's just a
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less questions yeah okay so it's just a renewal thing to to ensure that you
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renewal thing to to ensure that you
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renewal thing to to ensure that you still you know so that they have the
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still you know so that they have the
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still you know so that they have the opportunity to give you news yes yeah
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opportunity to give you news yes yeah
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opportunity to give you news yes yeah all right sounds good well that's
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all right sounds good well that's
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all right sounds good well that's brilliant um so I I want to thank you
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brilliant um so I I want to thank you
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brilliant um so I I want to thank you for taking the time to talk to uh to the
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for taking the time to talk to uh to the
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for taking the time to talk to uh to the audience here about this this topic
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audience here about this this topic
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audience here about this this topic because it is challenging and and I
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because it is challenging and and I
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because it is challenging and and I suppose like you said right for same as
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suppose like you said right for same as
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suppose like you said right for same as with everything else you have to you
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with everything else you have to you
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with everything else you have to you have to find a little time somewhere and
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have to find a little time somewhere and
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have to find a little time somewhere and and if it's important then you will
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and if it's important then you will
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and if it's important then you will um yeah I think that was that was
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um yeah I think that was that was
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um yeah I think that was that was brilliant um okay cool well thank you
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brilliant um okay cool well thank you
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brilliant um okay cool well thank you for being on the cloud show and thank
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for being on the cloud show and thank
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for being on the cloud show and thank you for sharing this knowledge um and I
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you for sharing this knowledge um and I
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you for sharing this knowledge um and I guess people can reach out to you and
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guess people can reach out to you and
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guess people can reach out to you and online if they want to if they want to
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online if they want to if they want to
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online if they want to if they want to have some advice I guess great thanks
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have some advice I guess great thanks
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have some advice I guess great thanks one more time Magnus all right thank you
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one more time Magnus all right thank you
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one more time Magnus all right thank you for being on the cloud show and audience
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for being on the cloud show and audience
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for being on the cloud show and audience I will see you next time on the CL take
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I will see you next time on the CL take
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I will see you next time on the CL take care
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