Rockin’ The Code World with dotNetDave ft. Milan Jovanovic - Ep. 101

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[Applause] hey Geeks welcome to another exciting
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hey Geeks welcome to another exciting
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hey Geeks welcome to another exciting episode of rocking the code world with
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episode of rocking the code world with
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episode of rocking the code world with donet Dave I'm David mcarter I'm glad
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donet Dave I'm David mcarter I'm glad
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donet Dave I'm David mcarter I'm glad you're made it back we haven't been on
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you're made it back we haven't been on
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you're made it back we haven't been on the um on the air for a month now uh
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the um on the air for a month now uh
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the um on the air for a month now uh because Simon's been busy doing other
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because Simon's been busy doing other
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because Simon's been busy doing other fun stuff so we're back I don't know
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fun stuff so we're back I don't know
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fun stuff so we're back I don't know about you but it seems like a long time
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about you but it seems like a long time
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about you but it seems like a long time I don't know about you Simon but it
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I don't know about you Simon but it
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I don't know about you Simon but it seems like a it's been a long time uh
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seems like a it's been a long time uh
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seems like a it's been a long time uh haven't done a show so I'm I've been
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haven't done a show so I'm I've been
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haven't done a show so I'm I've been eagerly awaiting the show for a while
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eagerly awaiting the show for a while
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eagerly awaiting the show for a while actually because
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actually because
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actually because uh my guest is Milan yanov viic VI I
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uh my guest is Milan yanov viic VI I
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uh my guest is Milan yanov viic VI I told him I was going to mess it up and I
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told him I was going to mess it up and I
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told him I was going to mess it up and I specifically uh invited him back on the
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specifically uh invited him back on the
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specifically uh invited him back on the show he was on last year I specifically
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show he was on last year I specifically
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show he was on last year I specifically invited him back on the show to talk
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invited him back on the show to talk
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invited him back on the show to talk about freelancing because I'm having a
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about freelancing because I'm having a
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about freelancing because I'm having a real hard time doing it so I figured
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real hard time doing it so I figured
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real hard time doing it so I figured he's having a good time doing it I'll
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he's having a good time doing it I'll
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he's having a good time doing it I'll invite him on a show so I can learn
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invite him on a show so I can learn
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invite him on a show so I can learn something and then maybe you can learn
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something and then maybe you can learn
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something and then maybe you can learn something too so um uh definitely a
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something too so um uh definitely a
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something too so um uh definitely a selfish uh uh uh ask having them back on
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selfish uh uh uh ask having them back on
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selfish uh uh uh ask having them back on the show because I really need I need I
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the show because I really need I need I
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the show because I really need I need I need help with this so hopefully um I've
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need help with this so hopefully um I've
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need help with this so hopefully um I've gotten my notebook my notepad ready to
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gotten my notebook my notepad ready to
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gotten my notebook my notepad ready to take notes and uh hopefully I can learn
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take notes and uh hopefully I can learn
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take notes and uh hopefully I can learn something so I can do some more
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something so I can do some more
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something so I can do some more freelancing uh because I need to all
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freelancing uh because I need to all
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freelancing uh because I need to all right so oh I have uh my mouse was on
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right so oh I have uh my mouse was on
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right so oh I have uh my mouse was on the wrong place May the source be with
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the wrong place May the source be with
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the wrong place May the source be with you it's May 4th
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you it's May 4th
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you it's May 4th woohoo uh in Celebration I even have my
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woohoo uh in Celebration I even have my
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woohoo uh in Celebration I even have my uh uh May the source be with you shirt
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uh uh May the source be with you shirt
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uh uh May the source be with you shirt on today you know uh those of you who
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on today you know uh those of you who
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on today you know uh those of you who don't get it that's from Star Wars I'm
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don't get it that's from Star Wars I'm
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don't get it that's from Star Wars I'm I'm streaming Star Wars right now on my
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I'm streaming Star Wars right now on my
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I'm streaming Star Wars right now on my TV all day uh because uh one of the
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TV all day uh because uh one of the
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TV all day uh because uh one of the channels actually two channels on my
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channels actually two channels on my
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channels actually two channels on my cable have a marathon all freaking day
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cable have a marathon all freaking day
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cable have a marathon all freaking day of Star Wars so I'm going to be watching
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of Star Wars so I'm going to be watching
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of Star Wars so I'm going to be watching Star Wars all day because Star Wars
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Star Wars all day because Star Wars
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Star Wars all day because Star Wars rocks and uh I think one time uh when I
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rocks and uh I think one time uh when I
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rocks and uh I think one time uh when I was at The C Corner conference I
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was at The C Corner conference I
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was at The C Corner conference I suggested to uh uh mes that we should
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suggested to uh uh mes that we should
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suggested to uh uh mes that we should show Star Wars one evening uh uh to for
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show Star Wars one evening uh uh to for
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show Star Wars one evening uh uh to for those younger uh people out there who uh
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those younger uh people out there who uh
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those younger uh people out there who uh maybe especially in India haven't seen
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maybe especially in India haven't seen
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maybe especially in India haven't seen Star Wars because uh it's been around
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Star Wars because uh it's been around
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Star Wars because uh it's been around for a long time very popular and uh so
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for a long time very popular and uh so
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for a long time very popular and uh so anyway uh May the sours be with you uh
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anyway uh May the sours be with you uh
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anyway uh May the sours be with you uh have a good May 4th and uh all right
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have a good May 4th and uh all right
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have a good May 4th and uh all right well I'm really really excited to
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well I'm really really excited to
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well I'm really really excited to announce what I've been working on uh
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announce what I've been working on uh
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announce what I've been working on uh for all freaking year so far is my brand
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for all freaking year so far is my brand
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for all freaking year so far is my brand new book uh rock your code code in that
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new book uh rock your code code in that
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new book uh rock your code code in that performance for microsoft.net actually
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performance for microsoft.net actually
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performance for microsoft.net actually it's not new but it's the fourth edition
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it's not new but it's the fourth edition
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it's not new but it's the fourth edition of this book I've been working on it
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of this book I've been working on it
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of this book I've been working on it super super hard to to uh bring to you
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super super hard to to uh bring to you
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super super hard to to uh bring to you all the
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all the
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all the goodnet speed improvements because donet
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goodnet speed improvements because donet
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goodnet speed improvements because donet 8 has dramatically changed in in
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8 has dramatically changed in in
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8 has dramatically changed in in performance most everything uh just like
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performance most everything uh just like
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performance most everything uh just like with six uh has gone up there are some
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with six uh has gone up there are some
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with six uh has gone up there are some things have slipped a little bit and
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things have slipped a little bit and
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things have slipped a little bit and I'll be working with the Microsoft team
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I'll be working with the Microsoft team
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I'll be working with the Microsoft team to uh uh maybe make that better uh but
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to uh uh maybe make that better uh but
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to uh uh maybe make that better uh but uh it's it's almost 330 pages I think of
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uh it's it's almost 330 pages I think of
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uh it's it's almost 330 pages I think of tips tricks and advice and uh from
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tips tricks and advice and uh from
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tips tricks and advice and uh from thousands and thousands I don't even
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thousands and thousands I don't even
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thousands and thousands I don't even know how many thousands of Benchmark
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know how many thousands of Benchmark
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know how many thousands of Benchmark tests I I run now on the donet framework
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tests I I run now on the donet framework
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tests I I run now on the donet framework uh on donet uh to uh get these uh uh
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uh on donet uh to uh get these uh uh
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uh on donet uh to uh get these uh uh performance metrics for you and uh hello
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performance metrics for you and uh hello
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performance metrics for you and uh hello from Thailand and and
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from Thailand and and
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from Thailand and and um and uh uh what was I going to say
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um and uh uh what was I going to say
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um and uh uh what was I going to say about that uh uh so any if you need to
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about that uh uh so any if you need to
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about that uh uh so any if you need to know anything about strings or
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know anything about strings or
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know anything about strings or collections or
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collections or
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collections or internationalization uh performance or
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internationalization uh performance or
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internationalization uh performance or all those kind of things uh it's all in
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all those kind of things uh it's all in
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all those kind of things uh it's all in the book I've worked super hard to try
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the book I've worked super hard to try
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the book I've worked super hard to try to get everything in there I've even
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to get everything in there I've even
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to get everything in there I've even covered all of the performance uh code
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covered all of the performance uh code
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covered all of the performance uh code analysis uh for Microsoft in the book
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analysis uh for Microsoft in the book
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analysis uh for Microsoft in the book and uh lots of other things I can keep
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and uh lots of other things I can keep
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and uh lots of other things I can keep going on but um it's available tomorrow
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going on but um it's available tomorrow
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going on but um it's available tomorrow it's dropping tomorrow uh so make sure
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it's dropping tomorrow uh so make sure
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it's dropping tomorrow uh so make sure you check amazon.com near you uh
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you check amazon.com near you uh
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you check amazon.com near you uh tomorrow and pick up your copy um and
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tomorrow and pick up your copy um and
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tomorrow and pick up your copy um and because I really need I really need to
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because I really need I really need to
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because I really need I really need to sell some books so uh I hope you sell I
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sell some books so uh I hope you sell I
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sell some books so uh I hope you sell I hope you get the copy of the book um
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hope you get the copy of the book um
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hope you get the copy of the book um along with my coding standards book uh
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along with my coding standards book uh
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along with my coding standards book uh which I don't think I'm going to talk
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which I don't think I'm going to talk
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which I don't think I'm going to talk about this this week but uh so please go
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about this this week but uh so please go
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about this this week but uh so please go get that um also tomorrow uh maybe I'll
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get that um also tomorrow uh maybe I'll
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get that um also tomorrow uh maybe I'll do it later today but I don't think I'm
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do it later today but I don't think I'm
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do it later today but I don't think I'm going to have time is I'm dropping a
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going to have time is I'm dropping a
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going to have time is I'm dropping a brand new version of uh my sparen um
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brand new version of uh my sparen um
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brand new version of uh my sparen um spon is my open source Library I've been
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spon is my open source Library I've been
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spon is my open source Library I've been working on ever since done that too
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working on ever since done that too
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working on ever since done that too actually and uh it's uh tons and tons of
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actually and uh it's uh tons and tons of
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actually and uh it's uh tons and tons of um uh common code that I use all the
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um uh common code that I use all the
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um uh common code that I use all the time and I was going through it the
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time and I was going through it the
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time and I was going through it the other day uh because one of the things I
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other day uh because one of the things I
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other day uh because one of the things I work on especially uh you know because
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work on especially uh you know because
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work on especially uh you know because I've been working on my code performance
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I've been working on my code performance
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I've been working on my code performance book is whenever I uncover something uh
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book is whenever I uncover something uh
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book is whenever I uncover something uh that runs f a way to run something
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that runs f a way to run something
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that runs f a way to run something faster than I then I roll those
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faster than I then I roll those
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faster than I then I roll those performance changes into spon and
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performance changes into spon and
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performance changes into spon and there's some changes in spon that are uh
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there's some changes in spon that are uh
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there's some changes in spon that are uh pretty D dramatic I I'm remembering when
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pretty D dramatic I I'm remembering when
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pretty D dramatic I I'm remembering when the article comes out tomorrow uh you
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the article comes out tomorrow uh you
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the article comes out tomorrow uh you know there's one thing that I sped up
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know there's one thing that I sped up
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know there's one thing that I sped up like 5,000 times I'm not exactly sure
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like 5,000 times I'm not exactly sure
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like 5,000 times I'm not exactly sure how I did it but it somehow I did and uh
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how I did it but it somehow I did and uh
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how I did it but it somehow I did and uh so I'm continuously working on
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so I'm continuously working on
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so I'm continuously working on performance for sparin so I hope you go
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performance for sparin so I hope you go
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performance for sparin so I hope you go check it out about uh again I'll be
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check it out about uh again I'll be
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check it out about uh again I'll be dropping an article tomorrow about all
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dropping an article tomorrow about all
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dropping an article tomorrow about all the new changes and and some of the uh
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the new changes and and some of the uh
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the new changes and and some of the uh performance improvements also um along
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performance improvements also um along
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performance improvements also um along with that I'll be dropping uh maybe
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with that I'll be dropping uh maybe
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with that I'll be dropping uh maybe tomorrow a new version of my sparen Dev
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tomorrow a new version of my sparen Dev
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tomorrow a new version of my sparen Dev tool um uh I use this tool every single
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tool um uh I use this tool every single
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tool um uh I use this tool every single day uh that I'm on this computer and I
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day uh that I'm on this computer and I
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day uh that I'm on this computer and I hope you will too it helps you quickly
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hope you will too it helps you quickly
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hope you will too it helps you quickly clean out uh leftover files from visual
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clean out uh leftover files from visual
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clean out uh leftover files from visual studio and other programs uh but the
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studio and other programs uh but the
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studio and other programs uh but the feature I use uh multiple times a day is
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feature I use uh multiple times a day is
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feature I use uh multiple times a day is the the turbo backup mode that scans
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the the turbo backup mode that scans
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the the turbo backup mode that scans your entire system uh for source code
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your entire system uh for source code
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your entire system uh for source code and quickly backs it up as fast as
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and quickly backs it up as fast as
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and quickly backs it up as fast as possible before you lose some code
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possible before you lose some code
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possible before you lose some code especially uh when you're going uh with
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especially uh when you're going uh with
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especially uh when you're going uh with Source control programs because I've yet
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Source control programs because I've yet
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Source control programs because I've yet to use a source control program that
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to use a source control program that
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to use a source control program that didn't clobber some code I've worked on
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didn't clobber some code I've worked on
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didn't clobber some code I've worked on and I hate that I hate wasting my time
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and I hate that I hate wasting my time
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and I hate that I hate wasting my time by doing something again uh so anyway uh
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by doing something again uh so anyway uh
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by doing something again uh so anyway uh sparen helps the spon dev tool helps me
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sparen helps the spon dev tool helps me
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sparen helps the spon dev tool helps me uh not do that anymore
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uh not do that anymore
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uh not do that anymore so all right the interview Milan has in
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so all right the interview Milan has in
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so all right the interview Milan has in been in the industry for more than seven
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been in the industry for more than seven
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been in the industry for more than seven years and was a software architect at
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years and was a software architect at
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years and was a software architect at his last company today he's a full-time
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his last company today he's a full-time
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his last company today he's a full-time content creator aspiring uh to help
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content creator aspiring uh to help
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content creator aspiring uh to help donet developers improve their software
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donet developers improve their software
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donet developers improve their software uh architecture and design skills he
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uh architecture and design skills he
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uh architecture and design skills he specializes in web application
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specializes in web application
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specializes in web application development and works primarily on the
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development and works primarily on the
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development and works primarily on the donet stack uh he's been a big domain
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donet stack uh he's been a big domain
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donet stack uh he's been a big domain driven design and uh he shares his
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driven design and uh he shares his
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driven design and uh he shares his knowledge daily on various social media
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knowledge daily on various social media
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knowledge daily on various social media PL profiles and his newsletter I follow
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PL profiles and his newsletter I follow
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PL profiles and his newsletter I follow Milan I uh I like his uh post and his
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Milan I uh I like his uh post and his
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Milan I uh I like his uh post and his newsletters and so I hope you will too
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newsletters and so I hope you will too
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newsletters and so I hope you will too and welcome
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and welcome
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and welcome Alan hi David it's awesome to be here
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Alan hi David it's awesome to be here
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Alan hi David it's awesome to be here how you do may be with
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how you do may be with
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how you do may be with you how are you doing I haven't seen you
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you how are you doing I haven't seen you
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you how are you doing I haven't seen you for over a year great I'm doing great
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for over a year great I'm doing great
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for over a year great I'm doing great yeah I can't believe it's already been
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yeah I can't believe it's already been
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yeah I can't believe it's already been more than a year since last time last
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more than a year since last time last
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more than a year since last time last time I was here I'm exciting to to be
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time I was here I'm exciting to to be
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time I was here I'm exciting to to be here today and to talk about freelancing
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here today and to talk about freelancing
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here today and to talk about freelancing and any other topic yeah yeah so all of
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and any other topic yeah yeah so all of
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and any other topic yeah yeah so all of you are watching right now I have the
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you are watching right now I have the
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you are watching right now I have the expert on uh this is why I asked him on
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expert on uh this is why I asked him on
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expert on uh this is why I asked him on the show because he's an expert at this
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the show because he's an expert at this
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the show because he's an expert at this and uh so if you have your if you have
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and uh so if you have your if you have
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and uh so if you have your if you have any questions about freelancing or
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any questions about freelancing or
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any questions about freelancing or anything else that we were just
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anything else that we were just
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anything else that we were just mentioning the Microsoft MVP program
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mentioning the Microsoft MVP program
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mentioning the Microsoft MVP program before the the show started so if you
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before the the show started so if you
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before the the show started so if you have any pro uh questions uh please feel
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have any pro uh questions uh please feel
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have any pro uh questions uh please feel free to put them in the chat right now
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free to put them in the chat right now
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free to put them in the chat right now because it usually takes a few minutes
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because it usually takes a few minutes
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because it usually takes a few minutes to uh come through on our and uh cuz we
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to uh come through on our and uh cuz we
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to uh come through on our and uh cuz we have we simoc cast this show on so many
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have we simoc cast this show on so many
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have we simoc cast this show on so many platforms you know there's a there's a
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platforms you know there's a there's a
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platforms you know there's a there's a delay in getting some of the questions
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delay in getting some of the questions
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delay in getting some of the questions here and also if you ask a question uh
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here and also if you ask a question uh
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here and also if you ask a question uh make sure you tell us where you're at
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make sure you tell us where you're at
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make sure you tell us where you're at where you're from uh you know Milan's
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where you're from uh you know Milan's
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where you're from uh you know Milan's from Serbia I'm from America uh we have
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from Serbia I'm from America uh we have
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from Serbia I'm from America uh we have somebody from Thailand somebody from
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somebody from Thailand somebody from
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somebody from Thailand somebody from Brazil so uh uh Peru oh Peru too wow we
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Brazil so uh uh Peru oh Peru too wow we
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Brazil so uh uh Peru oh Peru too wow we getting a lot of uh different countries
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getting a lot of uh different countries
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getting a lot of uh different countries today I'm glad so if if you're watching
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today I'm glad so if if you're watching
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today I'm glad so if if you're watching make sure you is tuning in
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make sure you is tuning in
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make sure you is tuning in cuz you're
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cuz you're
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cuz you're popular and uh uh you are LinkedIn top
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popular and uh uh you are LinkedIn top
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popular and uh uh you are LinkedIn top voice oh you're a top voice on
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voice oh you're a top voice on
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voice oh you're a top voice on LinkedIn yeah yeah that's
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LinkedIn yeah yeah that's
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LinkedIn yeah yeah that's something I don't know they they awarded
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something I don't know they they awarded
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something I don't know they they awarded it to me I'm not sure if it comes with
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it to me I'm not sure if it comes with
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it to me I'm not sure if it comes with any special perks I didn't notice
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any special perks I didn't notice
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any special perks I didn't notice anything
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anything
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anything different you didn't you didn't get a
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different you didn't you didn't get a
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different you didn't you didn't get a check in the mail or anything
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check in the mail or anything
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check in the mail or anything no yeah wouldn't that be nice if got
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no yeah wouldn't that be nice if got
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no yeah wouldn't that be nice if got paid for everything we uh put online you
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paid for everything we uh put online you
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paid for everything we uh put online you know that that would be nice you do get
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know that that would be nice you do get
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know that that would be nice you do get paid on Twitter now right uh yeah but
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paid on Twitter now right uh yeah but
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paid on Twitter now right uh yeah but you have to I don't think I have enough
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you have to I don't think I have enough
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you have to I don't think I have enough followers yet to do that so yeah I I may
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followers yet to do that so yeah I I may
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followers yet to do that so yeah I I may have enough followers but I don't have
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have enough followers but I don't have
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have enough followers but I don't have stripe so I can't make any money off of
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stripe so I can't make any money off of
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stripe so I can't make any money off of Twitter so so stripe doesn't work in uh
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Twitter so so stripe doesn't work in uh
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Twitter so so stripe doesn't work in uh Serbia yeah stripe doesn't work in
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Serbia yeah stripe doesn't work in
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Serbia yeah stripe doesn't work in various countries from what I know it's
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various countries from what I know it's
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various countries from what I know it's mainly available in the in America in
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mainly available in the in America in
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mainly available in the in America in the EU
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the EU
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the EU uh and a few select countries but Serbia
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uh and a few select countries but Serbia
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uh and a few select countries but Serbia isn't one of them for
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isn't one of them for
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isn't one of them for now I think I'm getting close to which
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now I think I'm getting close to which
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now I think I'm getting close to which is also very bad from a Innovation
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is also very bad from a Innovation
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is also very bad from a Innovation perspective yeah because I think stripe
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perspective yeah because I think stripe
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perspective yeah because I think stripe is a big limiting factor for uh startups
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is a big limiting factor for uh startups
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is a big limiting factor for uh startups that uh want to to reach out to a global
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that uh want to to reach out to a global
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that uh want to to reach out to a global audience and and uh make an impact uh
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audience and and uh make an impact uh
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audience and and uh make an impact uh having a good payment provider is is a
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having a good payment provider is is a
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having a good payment provider is is a big Advantage yeah or in this case a
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big Advantage yeah or in this case a
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big Advantage yeah or in this case a disadvantage yeah yeah yeah Simon says
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disadvantage yeah yeah yeah Simon says
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disadvantage yeah yeah yeah Simon says it's not uh popular in Asia either and
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it's not uh popular in Asia either and
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it's not uh popular in Asia either and so I so then now I'm wondering why does
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so I so then now I'm wondering why does
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so I so then now I'm wondering why does you know Twitter only use one payment
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you know Twitter only use one payment
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you know Twitter only use one payment method you know um I I would think they
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method you know um I I would think they
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method you know um I I would think they need to use multiple if they're going to
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need to use multiple if they're going to
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need to use multiple if they're going to reach the entire world but you know I'm
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reach the entire world but you know I'm
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reach the entire world but you know I'm not musk so I who knows what's going
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not musk so I who knows what's going
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not musk so I who knows what's going through that guy's head so uh but that's
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through that guy's head so uh but that's
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through that guy's head so uh but that's too bad uh how about other platforms are
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too bad uh how about other platforms are
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too bad uh how about other platforms are they better at that than Twitter or the
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they better at that than Twitter or the
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they better at that than Twitter or the only one that's monetizing content is
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only one that's monetizing content is
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only one that's monetizing content is YouTube
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YouTube
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YouTube basically where you still need to put up
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basically where you still need to put up
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basically where you still need to put up a certain amount of uh watch time and
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a certain amount of uh watch time and
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a certain amount of uh watch time and subscribers to start earning money um I
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subscribers to start earning money um I
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subscribers to start earning money um I think medium the the the blogging
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think medium the the the blogging
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think medium the the the blogging platform also has a revenue sharing uh
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platform also has a revenue sharing uh
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platform also has a revenue sharing uh program uh but I don't I don't partake
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program uh but I don't I don't partake
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program uh but I don't I don't partake because I want to keep my blog posts
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because I want to keep my blog posts
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because I want to keep my blog posts free yeah but I've heard from from a few
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free yeah but I've heard from from a few
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free yeah but I've heard from from a few people that you can make some decent
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people that you can make some decent
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people that you can make some decent income from writing articles on medium
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income from writing articles on medium
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income from writing articles on medium yeah so you know that's actually you
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yeah so you know that's actually you
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yeah so you know that's actually you know we were talking about this a little
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know we were talking about this a little
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know we were talking about this a little bit before the show but you know that's
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bit before the show but you know that's
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bit before the show but you know that's one of the reasons I asked you on is
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one of the reasons I asked you on is
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one of the reasons I asked you on is because you know I've you know we we
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because you know I've you know we we
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because you know I've you know we we were talking that book techbooks don't
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were talking that book techbooks don't
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were talking that book techbooks don't really sell much anymore like this one
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really sell much anymore like this one
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really sell much anymore like this one you know even though I work super hard
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you know even though I work super hard
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you know even though I work super hard on it it's not going to sell that much
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on it it's not going to sell that much
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on it it's not going to sell that much you know and uh compared to the work I
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you know and uh compared to the work I
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you know and uh compared to the work I put into it and uh and so this is you
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put into it and uh and so this is you
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put into it and uh and so this is you know this has been a been a struggle
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know this has been a been a struggle
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know this has been a been a struggle ever since you know ebooks came out and
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ever since you know ebooks came out and
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ever since you know ebooks came out and and there you know and there's so many
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and there you know and there's so many
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and there you know and there's so many websites now you know back when I
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websites now you know back when I
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websites now you know back when I started doing websites in 1994 I'm
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started doing websites in 1994 I'm
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started doing websites in 1994 I'm actually writing an article about this
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actually writing an article about this
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actually writing an article about this right now that you know I used to write
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right now that you know I used to write
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right now that you know I used to write no uh websites at notepad you know
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no uh websites at notepad you know
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no uh websites at notepad you know because we didn't have any apps back
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because we didn't have any apps back
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because we didn't have any apps back then you know back when I started you
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then you know back when I started you
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then you know back when I started you know there were no apps to rate websites
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know there were no apps to rate websites
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know there were no apps to rate websites you know you you did it by hand and um
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you know you you did it by hand and um
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you know you you did it by hand and um and uh so you know things have have
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and uh so you know things have have
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and uh so you know things have have radically changed since you know uh you
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radically changed since you know uh you
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radically changed since you know uh you know blogs started become more popular
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know blogs started become more popular
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know blogs started become more popular and you know there's a million blogs
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and you know there's a million blogs
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and you know there's a million blogs onnet now and and and and for me being a
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onnet now and and and and for me being a
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onnet now and and and and for me being a content creator for 30 years now you
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content creator for 30 years now you
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content creator for 30 years now you know it's it's it's really hard to to to
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know it's it's it's really hard to to to
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know it's it's it's really hard to to to make money off of content because you
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make money off of content because you
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make money off of content because you know I say this all the time and then
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know I say this all the time and then
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know I say this all the time and then and please don't anybody get mad at me
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and please don't anybody get mad at me
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and please don't anybody get mad at me or send spend send me and nasty emails
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or send spend send me and nasty emails
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or send spend send me and nasty emails or anything but you know I've been in
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or anything but you know I've been in
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or anything but you know I've been in this industry 30 years and software
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this industry 30 years and software
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this industry 30 years and software engineers even though they make good
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engineers even though they make good
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engineers even though they make good money are pretty cheap you know they
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money are pretty cheap you know they
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money are pretty cheap you know they don't like to pay for anything if they
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don't like to pay for anything if they
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don't like to pay for anything if they can get away with they don't yeah yeah
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can get away with they don't yeah yeah
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can get away with they don't yeah yeah and that and and that's part of the
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and that and and that's part of the
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and that and and that's part of the nature of computers and internet and
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nature of computers and internet and
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nature of computers and internet and everything now no one wants to pay for
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everything now no one wants to pay for
14:41
everything now no one wants to pay for anything you know they don't want to pay
14:43
anything you know they don't want to pay
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anything you know they don't want to pay for news I always found that kind of
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for news I always found that kind of
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for news I always found that kind of funny with with software Engineers uh
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funny with with software Engineers uh
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funny with with software Engineers uh because most of them earn a pretty good
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because most of them earn a pretty good
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because most of them earn a pretty good salary right code and yet none of them
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salary right code and yet none of them
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salary right code and yet none of them want to pay even a scent if they could
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want to pay even a scent if they could
14:57
want to pay even a scent if they could for for for a tool that that's actually
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for for for a tool that that's actually
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for for for a tool that that's actually going to help you do your job better
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going to help you do your job better
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going to help you do your job better yeah yeah I know I know and even
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yeah yeah I know I know and even
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yeah yeah I know I know and even companies won't pay for tools I mean
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companies won't pay for tools I mean
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companies won't pay for tools I mean companies don't pay for you know online
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companies don't pay for you know online
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companies don't pay for you know online learning they don't pay for thirdparty
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learning they don't pay for thirdparty
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learning they don't pay for thirdparty software the companies are freaking
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software the companies are freaking
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software the companies are freaking stingy too you know and uh and so this
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stingy too you know and uh and so this
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stingy too you know and uh and so this is what I've been dealing with you know
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is what I've been dealing with you know
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is what I've been dealing with you know my my entire career basically but
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my my entire career basically but
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my my entire career basically but especially since books have kind of gone
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especially since books have kind of gone
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especially since books have kind of gone out of style you know and uh it's it's
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out of style you know and uh it's it's
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out of style you know and uh it's it's really hard to put up content and then
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really hard to put up content and then
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really hard to put up content and then say well if you want to read it you know
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say well if you want to read it you know
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say well if you want to read it you know you need you need to pay for it like I
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you need you need to pay for it like I
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you need you need to pay for it like I have some subscription stuff on my
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have some subscription stuff on my
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have some subscription stuff on my website but you know I hard to get
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website but you know I hard to get
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website but you know I hard to get anybody you know paying for it you know
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anybody you know paying for it you know
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anybody you know paying for it you know and you know I post every day I write
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and you know I post every day I write
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and you know I post every day I write constantly you know I mean I've written
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constantly you know I mean I've written
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constantly you know I mean I've written so many freaking articles this year I
15:49
so many freaking articles this year I
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so many freaking articles this year I don't even know how many and uh you know
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don't even know how many and uh you know
15:53
don't even know how many and uh you know it's I very frustrated trying to find a
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it's I very frustrated trying to find a
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it's I very frustrated trying to find a way to make money in in in this day and
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way to make money in in in this day and
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way to make money in in in this day and age of technology and uh so anyway long
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age of technology and uh so anyway long
16:03
age of technology and uh so anyway long story short that's why I inv invited you
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story short that's why I inv invited you
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story short that's why I inv invited you on and hopefully that's why a lot of
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on and hopefully that's why a lot of
16:07
on and hopefully that's why a lot of other people are watching and uh because
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other people are watching and uh because
16:10
other people are watching and uh because you know we need to figure this out
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you know we need to figure this out
16:12
you know we need to figure this out because right now there's not a super
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because right now there's not a super
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because right now there's not a super great solution and and you know and we
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great solution and and you know and we
16:17
great solution and and you know and we can talk about some of the stuff that
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can talk about some of the stuff that
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can talk about some of the stuff that you've posted about but I've even tried
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you've posted about but I've even tried
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you've posted about but I've even tried some of the the the the uh uh uh stuff
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some of the the the the uh uh uh stuff
16:24
some of the the the the uh uh uh stuff that you do and I've got made nothing so
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that you do and I've got made nothing so
16:28
that you do and I've got made nothing so I must be doing something wrong what
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I must be doing something wrong what
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I must be doing something wrong what what did you try I tried the
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what did you try I tried the
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what did you try I tried the upwork
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upwork
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upwork okay anything else just up work I just
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okay anything else just up work I just
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okay anything else just up work I just tried one thing and you know I I applied
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tried one thing and you know I I applied
16:42
tried one thing and you know I I applied to a bunch of stuff not one single you
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to a bunch of stuff not one single you
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to a bunch of stuff not one single you know message back you know and and and
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know message back you know and and and
16:49
know message back you know and and and you can you can tell me wrong but you
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you can you can tell me wrong but you
16:51
you can you can tell me wrong but you know upor seems a little I don't know I
16:54
know upor seems a little I don't know I
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know upor seems a little I don't know I don't want to use the word sketchy but
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don't want to use the word sketchy but
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don't want to use the word sketchy but it I don't like that I have to pay to
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it I don't like that I have to pay to
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it I don't like that I have to pay to apply to you know freelance work that
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apply to you know freelance work that
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apply to you know freelance work that just seems really weird to me and you
17:06
just seems really weird to me and you
17:06
just seems really weird to me and you know they they already take you know a
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know they they already take you know a
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know they they already take you know a portion of what you do get paid so I'm
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portion of what you do get paid so I'm
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portion of what you do get paid so I'm not really sure why they're forcing
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not really sure why they're forcing
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not really sure why they're forcing everybody to pay just to PO just to
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everybody to pay just to PO just to
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everybody to pay just to PO just to reply it used to be much better before
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reply it used to be much better before
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reply it used to be much better before uh like right now I think they they they
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uh like right now I think they they they
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uh like right now I think they they they take a flat percentage of everything you
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take a flat percentage of everything you
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take a flat percentage of everything you make I I believe it's 10% yeah yeah uh
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make I I believe it's 10% yeah yeah uh
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make I I believe it's 10% yeah yeah uh but they used to have a system in the
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but they used to have a system in the
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but they used to have a system in the past that was much better for the for
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past that was much better for the for
17:32
past that was much better for the for the developer like the more you worked
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the developer like the more you worked
17:34
the developer like the more you worked with a certain client the the better off
17:37
with a certain client the the better off
17:37
with a certain client the the better off you were yeah and even you know even the
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you were yeah and even you know even the
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you were yeah and even you know even the thing even when you apply to someone
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thing even when you apply to someone
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thing even when you apply to someone someone's uh uh you're looking for
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someone's uh uh you're looking for
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someone's uh uh you're looking for somebody right and even applying is
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somebody right and even applying is
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somebody right and even applying is different different uh uh charges right
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different different uh uh charges right
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different different uh uh charges right sometimes it'll be 16 tokens or whatever
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sometimes it'll be 16 tokens or whatever
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sometimes it'll be 16 tokens or whatever they call them Y and and sometimes s
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they call them Y and and sometimes s
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they call them Y and and sometimes s it'll be eight and so I'm not really
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it'll be eight and so I'm not really
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it'll be eight and so I'm not really sure how they come up with that but it I
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sure how they come up with that but it I
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sure how they come up with that but it I don't know it seems weird to me to pay
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don't know it seems weird to me to pay
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don't know it seems weird to me to pay to maybe you know have someone reply to
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to maybe you know have someone reply to
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to maybe you know have someone reply to you
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you
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you right so
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right so
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right so um let me talk a bit about my experience
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um let me talk a bit about my experience
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um let me talk a bit about my experience with
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with
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with upwork I I had like two distinct phases
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upwork I I had like two distinct phases
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upwork I I had like two distinct phases on upwork one that was a total failure
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on upwork one that was a total failure
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on upwork one that was a total failure and one where I actually made it work uh
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and one where I actually made it work uh
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and one where I actually made it work uh so let's start with the first one uh
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so let's start with the first one uh
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so let's start with the first one uh let's say I was maybe two or two and a
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let's say I was maybe two or two and a
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let's say I was maybe two or two and a halfish years into my career so I was
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halfish years into my career so I was
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halfish years into my career so I was I'd say a solid mid-level
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I'd say a solid mid-level
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I'd say a solid mid-level developer uh I could build stuff on my
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developer uh I could build stuff on my
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developer uh I could build stuff on my own and I wanted to to make some income
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own and I wanted to to make some income
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own and I wanted to to make some income on the side um and I I've heard from a
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on the side um and I I've heard from a
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on the side um and I I've heard from a bunch of people that you could make u a
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bunch of people that you could make u a
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bunch of people that you could make u a living even off of upwork so I figured I
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living even off of upwork so I figured I
18:54
living even off of upwork so I figured I would try it and i' i' I'm pretty sure I
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would try it and i' i' I'm pretty sure I
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would try it and i' i' I'm pretty sure I did what
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did what
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did what like 90% of developers would are going
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like 90% of developers would are going
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like 90% of developers would are going to do when they go up on upor and that
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to do when they go up on upor and that
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to do when they go up on upor and that is try to find the simplest job possible
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is try to find the simplest job possible
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is try to find the simplest job possible and then compete on price as in uh try
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and then compete on price as in uh try
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and then compete on price as in uh try to uh pitch the the the lowest offer and
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to uh pitch the the the lowest offer and
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to uh pitch the the the lowest offer and hope that you win and that turned out as
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hope that you win and that turned out as
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hope that you win and that turned out as well as you might imagine I got zero
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well as you might imagine I got zero
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well as you might imagine I got zero replies I didn't get any offer um so I
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replies I didn't get any offer um so I
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replies I didn't get any offer um so I think I was trying for a couple of weeks
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think I was trying for a couple of weeks
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think I was trying for a couple of weeks without any success and then I just gave
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without any success and then I just gave
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without any success and then I just gave up like this isn't for me I'll figure it
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up like this isn't for me I'll figure it
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up like this isn't for me I'll figure it out maybe some in some other life
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out maybe some in some other life
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out maybe some in some other life uh so the good
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uh so the good
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uh so the good thing where I gave up was my profile
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thing where I gave up was my profile
19:45
thing where I gave up was my profile stayed active and every month you would
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stayed active and every month you would
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stayed active and every month you would get a certain amount of these connect
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get a certain amount of these connect
19:51
get a certain amount of these connect tokens I believe they are called so
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tokens I believe they are called so
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tokens I believe they are called so after like a year or so I I believe I
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after like a year or so I I believe I
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after like a year or so I I believe I was maxed out in the amount of Tok that
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was maxed out in the amount of Tok that
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was maxed out in the amount of Tok that I had so I had some 200ish tokens which
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I had so I had some 200ish tokens which
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I had so I had some 200ish tokens which meant I didn't need to pay uh upor to
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meant I didn't need to pay uh upor to
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meant I didn't need to pay uh upor to apply for jobs so I believe it was um
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2022 yep uh I think we were just past
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2022 yep uh I think we were just past
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2022 yep uh I think we were just past the the the orona crisis uh and I
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the the the orona crisis uh and I
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the the the orona crisis uh and I figured I'm going to try freelancing
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figured I'm going to try freelancing
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figured I'm going to try freelancing again as just a small challenge
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again as just a small challenge
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again as just a small challenge um and I open up the platform again I
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um and I open up the platform again I
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um and I open up the platform again I see I have all these connect tokens and
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see I have all these connect tokens and
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see I have all these connect tokens and then I start applying to jobs but this
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then I start applying to jobs but this
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then I start applying to jobs but this time I was a bit more methodic about it
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time I was a bit more methodic about it
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time I was a bit more methodic about it um I did not want to compete on price so
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um I did not want to compete on price so
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um I did not want to compete on price so I started to look for some jobs that
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I started to look for some jobs that
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I started to look for some jobs that were let's say in the 30 to $50 per hour
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were let's say in the 30 to $50 per hour
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were let's say in the 30 to $50 per hour range which was for me at the time
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range which was for me at the time
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range which was for me at the time pretty good money yeah
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pretty good money yeah
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pretty good money yeah um and eventually there was one job that
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um and eventually there was one job that
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um and eventually there was one job that was my first job ever um it was a a
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was my first job ever um it was a a
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was my first job ever um it was a a software engineer who needed some
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software engineer who needed some
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software engineer who needed some mentoring uh with some specific topics
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mentoring uh with some specific topics
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mentoring uh with some specific topics in net8 well it wasn't net 8 at the time
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in net8 well it wasn't net 8 at the time
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in net8 well it wasn't net 8 at the time but the latest net version and U yeah
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but the latest net version and U yeah
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but the latest net version and U yeah and yeah asp.net cor course so it was U
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and yeah asp.net cor course so it was U
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and yeah asp.net cor course so it was U it wasn't a development job it was a
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it wasn't a development job it was a
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it wasn't a development job it was a mentoring job MH but it was a few hours
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mentoring job MH but it was a few hours
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mentoring job MH but it was a few hours of freelancing work that I did like it
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of freelancing work that I did like it
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of freelancing work that I did like it was my first taste of success on upwork
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was my first taste of success on upwork
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was my first taste of success on upwork so that was the much needed validation
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so that was the much needed validation
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so that was the much needed validation that that I needed to to be able to say
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that that I needed to to be able to say
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that that I needed to to be able to say okay this isn't a scam this actually
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okay this isn't a scam this actually
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okay this isn't a scam this actually works so let's figure out how to how to
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works so let's figure out how to how to
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works so let's figure out how to how to take this success and then apply it to
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take this success and then apply it to
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take this success and then apply it to to my next offer uh to my next
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to my next offer uh to my next
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to my next offer uh to my next job
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job
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job so I used the same approach looked for
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so I used the same approach looked for
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so I used the same approach looked for net
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net
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net backend developer roles uh ideally these
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backend developer roles uh ideally these
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backend developer roles uh ideally these would be roles that were on a longer
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would be roles that were on a longer
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would be roles that were on a longer time frame so let's say at least three
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time frame so let's say at least three
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time frame so let's say at least three months and onwards M uh because I know
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months and onwards M uh because I know
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months and onwards M uh because I know that if it's a job like that they need
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that if it's a job like that they need
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that if it's a job like that they need somebody who has good skills and I I was
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somebody who has good skills and I I was
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somebody who has good skills and I I was confident in myself that I could provide
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confident in myself that I could provide
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confident in myself that I could provide these skills so that would be how I set
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these skills so that would be how I set
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these skills so that would be how I set myself apart from from uh from everyone
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myself apart from from uh from everyone
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myself apart from from uh from everyone else and eventually I land I found
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else and eventually I land I found
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else and eventually I land I found um uh a job offer uh where they were
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um uh a job offer uh where they were
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um uh a job offer uh where they were looking for
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looking for
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looking for someone specifically in the EU region
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someone specifically in the EU region
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someone specifically in the EU region but the company that that I would be
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but the company that that I would be
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but the company that that I would be working for was from the US so they were
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working for was from the US so they were
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working for was from the US so they were targeting developers in my part of the
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targeting developers in my part of the
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targeting developers in my part of the world which is I'd say part luck and
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world which is I'd say part luck and
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world which is I'd say part luck and then they were looking for obviously a
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then they were looking for obviously a
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then they were looking for obviously a net Dev
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net Dev
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net Dev um they had and a lot of jobs I see on
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um they had and a lot of jobs I see on
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um they had and a lot of jobs I see on upwork have this approach where they
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upwork have this approach where they
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upwork have this approach where they give you like a list of questions that
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give you like a list of questions that
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give you like a list of questions that you should answer so that they at least
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you should answer so that they at least
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you should answer so that they at least know that you tried when you were
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know that you tried when you were
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know that you tried when you were applying so I really gave it my best um
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applying so I really gave it my best um
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applying so I really gave it my best um when whenever I was applying and for
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when whenever I was applying and for
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when whenever I was applying and for this job in particular um and I got a
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this job in particular um and I got a
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this job in particular um and I got a reply back
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reply back
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reply back from uh from the client
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from uh from the client
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from uh from the client um that started off the the interview
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um that started off the the interview
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um that started off the the interview process uh so it was a back and forth
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process uh so it was a back and forth
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process uh so it was a back and forth discussion uh where they asked me some
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discussion uh where they asked me some
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discussion uh where they asked me some architectural questions
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architectural questions
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architectural questions like which software architecture would
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like which software architecture would
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like which software architecture would you apply here why
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you apply here why
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you apply here why um and after about a week of this back
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um and after about a week of this back
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um and after about a week of this back and forth discussion I landed that job
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and forth discussion I landed that job
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and forth discussion I landed that job uh and I ended up working on it for I
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uh and I ended up working on it for I
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uh and I ended up working on it for I believe almost a year wow like the
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believe almost a year wow like the
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believe almost a year wow like the engagement was uh a year long I wasn't
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engagement was uh a year long I wasn't
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engagement was uh a year long I wasn't working on it full-time yeah it was a
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working on it full-time yeah it was a
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working on it full-time yeah it was a part-time thing because uh I had like my
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part-time thing because uh I had like my
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part-time thing because uh I had like my main job but it was a a very very nice
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main job but it was a a very very nice
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main job but it was a a very very nice and uh challenging experience uh the
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and uh challenging experience uh the
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and uh challenging experience uh the project itself was uh uh quite
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project itself was uh uh quite
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project itself was uh uh quite interesting for me at the
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time so yeah I I like uh don't want to
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time so yeah I I like uh don't want to
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time so yeah I I like uh don't want to give you my entire freelancing career
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give you my entire freelancing career
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give you my entire freelancing career sure so maybe we should dive into some
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sure so maybe we should dive into some
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sure so maybe we should dive into some more specific topics now well um the one
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more specific topics now well um the one
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more specific topics now well um the one thing I was thinking about when you were
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thing I was thinking about when you were
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thing I was thinking about when you were talking uh about your first projects was
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talking uh about your first projects was
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talking uh about your first projects was uh um since I haven't really worked with
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uh um since I haven't really worked with
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uh um since I haven't really worked with anybody off of up work or anything you
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anybody off of up work or anything you
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anybody off of up work or anything you know how how are the companies receiving
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know how how are the companies receiving
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know how how are the companies receiving you on a platform like that as opposed
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you on a platform like that as opposed
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you on a platform like that as opposed to you know going to a you know
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to you know going to a you know
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to you know going to a you know recruiting firm and trying to find a
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recruiting firm and trying to find a
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recruiting firm and trying to find a contractor or something like that you
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contractor or something like that you
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contractor or something like that you know I think it it's going to depend on
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know I think it it's going to depend on
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know I think it it's going to depend on the company yeah there are some
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the company yeah there are some
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the company yeah there are some companies that simply figured out that
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companies that simply figured out that
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companies that simply figured out that you could work um remotely with
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you could work um remotely with
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you could work um remotely with developers from uh anywhere in the world
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developers from uh anywhere in the world
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developers from uh anywhere in the world and get things done yeah uh and I think
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and get things done yeah uh and I think
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and get things done yeah uh and I think uh the the pandemic really helped here
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uh the the pandemic really helped here
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uh the the pandemic really helped here yeah because uh companies were forced to
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yeah because uh companies were forced to
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yeah because uh companies were forced to work remote and I think this this was a
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work remote and I think this this was a
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work remote and I think this this was a big boost when it comes to freelancing
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big boost when it comes to freelancing
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big boost when it comes to freelancing because a lot more companies are now
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because a lot more companies are now
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because a lot more companies are now open to hiring from anywhere in the
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open to hiring from anywhere in the
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open to hiring from anywhere in the world yes so long as you can actually do
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world yes so long as you can actually do
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world yes so long as you can actually do the job and solve the problems that you
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the job and solve the problems that you
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the job and solve the problems that you are paid to solve yeah that's true
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are paid to solve yeah that's true
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are paid to solve yeah that's true that's uh you know and and like and
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that's uh you know and and like and
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that's uh you know and and like and you're right this it's every company's
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you're right this it's every company's
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you're right this it's every company's different like there are some companies
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different like there are some companies
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different like there are some companies America that won't deal with any other
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America that won't deal with any other
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America that won't deal with any other country or they will only deal with
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country or they will only deal with
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country or they will only deal with countries like Mexico or you know
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countries like Mexico or you know
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countries like Mexico or you know countries within their time zone area or
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countries within their time zone area or
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countries within their time zone area or something like that or I'm sure you deal
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something like that or I'm sure you deal
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something like that or I'm sure you deal with same thing with the EU and and all
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with same thing with the EU and and all
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with same thing with the EU and and all that they don't want to go too far out
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that they don't want to go too far out
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that they don't want to go too far out of the time zone because that you know
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of the time zone because that you know
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of the time zone because that you know I've worked on International Teams and
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I've worked on International Teams and
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I've worked on International Teams and you know the time difference can be a
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you know the time difference can be a
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you know the time difference can be a real challenge you know and uh a big
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real challenge you know and uh a big
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real challenge you know and uh a big challenge for communication and uh uh so
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challenge for communication and uh uh so
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challenge for communication and uh uh so I know that is sometimes maybe an
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I know that is sometimes maybe an
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I know that is sometimes maybe an impediment to you know hiring people
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impediment to you know hiring people
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impediment to you know hiring people from other
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from other
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from other countries so um I think effective
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countries so um I think effective
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countries so um I think effective communication is important in that
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communication is important in that
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communication is important in that regard uh and most and definitely
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regard uh and most and definitely
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regard uh and most and definitely asynchronous communication like uh in in
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asynchronous communication like uh in in
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asynchronous communication like uh in in most of the roles I worked on as a
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most of the roles I worked on as a
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most of the roles I worked on as a freelancer uh we would either talk
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freelancer uh we would either talk
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freelancer uh we would either talk through some sort of messaging platform
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through some sort of messaging platform
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through some sort of messaging platform like slack was probably the most popular
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like slack was probably the most popular
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like slack was probably the most popular one uh maybe even the upwork chat or
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one uh maybe even the upwork chat or
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one uh maybe even the upwork chat or email so you you simply need to be able
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email so you you simply need to be able
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email so you you simply need to be able to to communicate effectively and
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to to communicate effectively and
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to to communicate effectively and concisely uh with a few short sentences
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concisely uh with a few short sentences
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concisely uh with a few short sentences like explain where you're stuck
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like explain where you're stuck
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like explain where you're stuck or you need your next uh set of tasks
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or you need your next uh set of tasks
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or you need your next uh set of tasks and so on um but I think it's
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and so on um but I think it's
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and so on um but I think it's definitely going to at least um for jobs
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definitely going to at least um for jobs
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definitely going to at least um for jobs when there's a very big time difference
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when there's a very big time difference
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when there's a very big time difference in terms of time zones uh you're you
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in terms of time zones uh you're you
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in terms of time zones uh you're you will need to find the right client right
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will need to find the right client right
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will need to find the right client right yeah yeah somebody who is simply aware
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yeah yeah somebody who is simply aware
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yeah yeah somebody who is simply aware that things can work remotely
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that things can work remotely
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that things can work remotely asynchronously and we can get the job
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asynchronously and we can get the job
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asynchronously and we can get the job done MH and these are the clients that
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done MH and these are the clients that
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done MH and these are the clients that you should be strive to work for uh
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you should be strive to work for uh
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you should be strive to work for uh remember that as a freelancer uh most of
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remember that as a freelancer uh most of
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remember that as a freelancer uh most of the time you you you also have the
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the time you you you also have the
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the time you you you also have the freedom to to not work with someone if
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freedom to to not work with someone if
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freedom to to not work with someone if you don't like it right uh which is a
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you don't like it right uh which is a
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you don't like it right uh which is a good thing yeah
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good thing yeah
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good thing yeah um because it gives you the ability to
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um because it gives you the ability to
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um because it gives you the ability to look for that specific job offer or
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look for that specific job offer or
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look for that specific job offer or client that fits your schedule your uh
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client that fits your schedule your uh
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client that fits your schedule your uh technical expertise uh what you're
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technical expertise uh what you're
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technical expertise uh what you're looking to get out of a freelancing gig
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looking to get out of a freelancing gig
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looking to get out of a freelancing gig be it money uh a technical challenge
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be it money uh a technical challenge
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be it money uh a technical challenge experience and well yeah that's that's
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experience and well yeah that's that's
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experience and well yeah that's that's the you know the part that is good for
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the you know the part that is good for
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the you know the part that is good for both the company and the Freel
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both the company and the Freel
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both the company and the Freel freelancer or the contractor really is
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freelancer or the contractor really is
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freelancer or the contractor really is you know when you're on a a something
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you know when you're on a a something
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you know when you're on a a something like that then you know you can you can
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like that then you know you can you can
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like that then you know you can you can cut ties at any moment it might might
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cut ties at any moment it might might
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cut ties at any moment it might might might not make you look good but you can
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might not make you look good but you can
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might not make you look good but you can do it right you you know leaving uh a
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do it right you you know leaving uh a
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do it right you you know leaving uh a full-time job is a lot harder and uh or
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full-time job is a lot harder and uh or
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full-time job is a lot harder and uh or being let go from a full-time job is a
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being let go from a full-time job is a
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being let go from a full-time job is a lot harder so uh I know I I don't see it
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lot harder so uh I know I I don't see it
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lot harder so uh I know I I don't see it a lot much anymore here in America at
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a lot much anymore here in America at
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a lot much anymore here in America at least but you know uh there used to be a
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least but you know uh there used to be a
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least but you know uh there used to be a time where there was a lot more of
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time where there was a lot more of
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time where there was a lot more of contract a hire kind of thing uh you
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contract a hire kind of thing uh you
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contract a hire kind of thing uh you know that still that still happens you
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know that still that still happens you
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know that still that still happens you know in the job postings I I see but I
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know in the job postings I I see but I
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know in the job postings I I see but I don't see it near as much as I used to
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don't see it near as much as I used to
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don't see it near as much as I used to um uh maybe maybe because we just need
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um uh maybe maybe because we just need
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um uh maybe maybe because we just need so many more software Engineers these
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so many more software Engineers these
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so many more software Engineers these days than you know even a decade ago uh
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days than you know even a decade ago uh
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days than you know even a decade ago uh but let's let's go back a little bit uh
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but let's let's go back a little bit uh
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but let's let's go back a little bit uh to uh so all the questions I have that I
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to uh so all the questions I have that I
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to uh so all the questions I have that I sent you uh except for the last one are
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sent you uh except for the last one are
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sent you uh except for the last one are all generated by chat gbt because I'm
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all generated by chat gbt because I'm
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all generated by chat gbt because I'm too lazy to come up with stuff uh so uh
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too lazy to come up with stuff uh so uh
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too lazy to come up with stuff uh so uh the first one I really like though but
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the first one I really like though but
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the first one I really like though but you know what initially sparked your
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you know what initially sparked your
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you know what initially sparked your transition from being a software
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transition from being a software
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transition from being a software architect to becoming a full-time
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architect to becoming a full-time
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architect to becoming a full-time content creator or you know freelancer
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content creator or you know freelancer
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content creator or you know freelancer like like you do
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like like you do
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like like you do now so it was um multiple things uh
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now so it was um multiple things uh
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now so it was um multiple things uh first of all uh it was the the impact
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first of all uh it was the the impact
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first of all uh it was the the impact that I figured that I could make if I
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that I figured that I could make if I
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that I figured that I could make if I committed to this full-time so uh I
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committed to this full-time so uh I
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committed to this full-time so uh I started uh posting on like my social
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started uh posting on like my social
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started uh posting on like my social media career let's call it that started
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media career let's call it that started
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media career let's call it that started on LinkedIn
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on LinkedIn
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on LinkedIn uh with me sharing what I was learning
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uh with me sharing what I was learning
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uh with me sharing what I was learning about in CP and.net and then I started
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about in CP and.net and then I started
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about in CP and.net and then I started talking about some other topics like
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talking about some other topics like
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talking about some other topics like software architecture domain driven
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software architecture domain driven
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software architecture domain driven design and so on and eventually I I
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design and so on and eventually I I
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design and so on and eventually I I attracted a an audience that resonated
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attracted a an audience that resonated
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attracted a an audience that resonated with those topics and they like the
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with those topics and they like the
29:46
with those topics and they like the things that I was talking about and my
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things that I was talking about and my
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things that I was talking about and my post would always spark a pretty good
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post would always spark a pretty good
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post would always spark a pretty good discussion which was which would benefit
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discussion which was which would benefit
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discussion which was which would benefit both uh me that I would be like my ideas
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both uh me that I would be like my ideas
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both uh me that I would be like my ideas would be challenged which forced me to
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would be challenged which forced me to
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would be challenged which forced me to rethink some some ideas that I had and
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rethink some some ideas that I had and
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rethink some some ideas that I had and grow which is an excellent part of
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grow which is an excellent part of
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grow which is an excellent part of social media sure um and then I slowly
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social media sure um and then I slowly
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social media sure um and then I slowly started
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started
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started to
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to
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to uh tamper with the idea of uh starting a
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uh tamper with the idea of uh starting a
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uh tamper with the idea of uh starting a YouTube channel and I finally um took
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YouTube channel and I finally um took
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YouTube channel and I finally um took the leap of faith uh opened up my
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the leap of faith uh opened up my
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the leap of faith uh opened up my YouTube channel uh and because I had a
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YouTube channel uh and because I had a
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YouTube channel uh and because I had a decent audience on LinkedIn uh that
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decent audience on LinkedIn uh that
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decent audience on LinkedIn uh that Channel started taking off and then
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Channel started taking off and then
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Channel started taking off and then after a few months into it so I was
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after a few months into it so I was
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after a few months into it so I was balancing my my full-time job my
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balancing my my full-time job my
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balancing my my full-time job my part-time freelance gig and then my
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part-time freelance gig and then my
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part-time freelance gig and then my content creation on social media and I
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content creation on social media and I
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content creation on social media and I was becoming overwhelmed yeah and I I I
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was becoming overwhelmed yeah and I I I
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was becoming overwhelmed yeah and I I I know from past experience uh whether in
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know from past experience uh whether in
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know from past experience uh whether in life and in work that when I feel
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life and in work that when I feel
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life and in work that when I feel overwhelmed like that I come to a point
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overwhelmed like that I come to a point
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overwhelmed like that I come to a point where I need to make an important
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where I need to make an important
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where I need to make an important decision M so the decision that I was
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decision M so the decision that I was
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decision M so the decision that I was thinking about was um quitting my
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thinking about was um quitting my
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thinking about was um quitting my software architect job and going
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software architect job and going
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software architect job and going full-time into content creation uh and I
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full-time into content creation uh and I
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full-time into content creation uh and I really had to like weigh a few things um
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really had to like weigh a few things um
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really had to like weigh a few things um like would would content creation
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like would would content creation
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like would would content creation fulfill me if I really went into it for
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fulfill me if I really went into it for
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fulfill me if I really went into it for a long time um what would happen to my
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a long time um what would happen to my
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a long time um what would happen to my like Technical Edge given that I
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like Technical Edge given that I
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like Technical Edge given that I wouldn't be working on production
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wouldn't be working on production
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wouldn't be working on production projects anymore right uh because I I'm
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projects anymore right uh because I I'm
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projects anymore right uh because I I'm not sure if people who go into content
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not sure if people who go into content
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not sure if people who go into content creation think about that but it's an
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creation think about that but it's an
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creation think about that but it's an important factor like how are you going
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important factor like how are you going
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important factor like how are you going to keep yourself up to date if you
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to keep yourself up to date if you
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to keep yourself up to date if you aren't building stuff that you aren't
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aren't building stuff that you aren't
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aren't building stuff that you aren't shipping to customers right um
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shipping to customers right um
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shipping to customers right um so like I came up with some ideas like
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so like I came up with some ideas like
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so like I came up with some ideas like of how I would solve that I'm going to
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of how I would solve that I'm going to
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of how I would solve that I'm going to discuss about that in a moment but
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discuss about that in a moment but
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discuss about that in a moment but eventually I figured um content creation
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eventually I figured um content creation
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eventually I figured um content creation really fulfills me it makes me happy it
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really fulfills me it makes me happy it
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really fulfills me it makes me happy it it lets me express my creativity and uh
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it lets me express my creativity and uh
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it lets me express my creativity and uh I can talk to an audience a global
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I can talk to an audience a global
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I can talk to an audience a global audience about topics that I consider
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audience about topics that I consider
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audience about topics that I consider important um so I took the
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important um so I took the
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important um so I took the plunge and I don't regret it one bit uh
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plunge and I don't regret it one bit uh
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plunge and I don't regret it one bit uh it's been about a year and a half I I
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it's been about a year and a half I I
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it's been about a year and a half I I believe I'm into content creation uh and
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believe I'm into content creation uh and
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believe I'm into content creation uh and you wouldn't believe how fast the time
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you wouldn't believe how fast the time
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you wouldn't believe how fast the time flies um but I also work a lot um people
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flies um but I also work a lot um people
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flies um but I also work a lot um people think that content creation
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think that content creation
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think that content creation is um like a Fool's game it'sing all day
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is um like a Fool's game it'sing all day
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is um like a Fool's game it'sing all day long yeah yeah yeah it's not if you if
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long yeah yeah yeah it's not if you if
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long yeah yeah yeah it's not if you if you if you really commit yourself to it
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you if you really commit yourself to it
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you if you really commit yourself to it and like there are so many ways how you
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and like there are so many ways how you
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and like there are so many ways how you can provide value to to to to other
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can provide value to to to to other
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can provide value to to to to other people yeah I I've you know my own
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people yeah I I've you know my own
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people yeah I I've you know my own personal Journey because I am you know
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personal Journey because I am you know
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personal Journey because I am you know you know an older I I've been in this
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you know an older I I've been in this
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you know an older I I've been in this career a long time now you know I've I I
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career a long time now you know I've I I
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career a long time now you know I've I I I was trying to remember when this
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I was trying to remember when this
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I was trying to remember when this happened it had to be a year and a half
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happened it had to be a year and a half
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happened it had to be a year and a half over two years ago that you know all of
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over two years ago that you know all of
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over two years ago that you know all of a sudden I I wanted to write a lot you
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a sudden I I wanted to write a lot you
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a sudden I I wanted to write a lot you know I I'm the first one to admit that I
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know I I'm the first one to admit that I
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know I I'm the first one to admit that I don't like writing you know most
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don't like writing you know most
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don't like writing you know most software Engineers don't you know and um
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software Engineers don't you know and um
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software Engineers don't you know and um I've always had to force myself to do it
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I've always had to force myself to do it
33:20
I've always had to force myself to do it when I was you know after I was asked to
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when I was you know after I was asked to
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when I was you know after I was asked to write my first book you know back in the
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write my first book you know back in the
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write my first book you know back in the 90s and uh um but lately because I am
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90s and uh um but lately because I am
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90s and uh um but lately because I am getting you know older in this career
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getting you know older in this career
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getting you know older in this career then I've had this huge need to to get
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then I've had this huge need to to get
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then I've had this huge need to to get my knowledge out there somehow right and
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my knowledge out there somehow right and
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my knowledge out there somehow right and you know uh and I even applied that to
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you know uh and I even applied that to
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you know uh and I even applied that to the conference talks I do right I don't
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the conference talks I do right I don't
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the conference talks I do right I don't do conference talks on the latest
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do conference talks on the latest
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do conference talks on the latest greatest framework anymore right because
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greatest framework anymore right because
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greatest framework anymore right because I don't feel that
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I don't feel that
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I don't feel that really gets my experience to developers
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really gets my experience to developers
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really gets my experience to developers especially younger developers right and
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especially younger developers right and
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especially younger developers right and so I purposely choose other topics right
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so I purposely choose other topics right
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so I purposely choose other topics right that I I think is important that a lot
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that I I think is important that a lot
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that I I think is important that a lot of people don't talk about right and um
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of people don't talk about right and um
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of people don't talk about right and um and I've been going that way for for you
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and I've been going that way for for you
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and I've been going that way for for you know well over a decade now doing that
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know well over a decade now doing that
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know well over a decade now doing that and uh
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and uh
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and uh um but it it is hard to keep up and and
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um but it it is hard to keep up and and
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um but it it is hard to keep up and and and you know one one thing I I just
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and you know one one thing I I just
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and you know one one thing I I just remembered that you know I used to teach
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remembered that you know I used to teach
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remembered that you know I used to teach at the local University here for 18
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at the local University here for 18
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at the local University here for 18 years and and I I will admit that you
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years and and I I will admit that you
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years and and I I will admit that you know being a teacher really forced me to
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know being a teacher really forced me to
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know being a teacher really forced me to be on top of everything right because
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be on top of everything right because
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be on top of everything right because because I was walking in and teaching
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because I was walking in and teaching
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because I was walking in and teaching the brand new version of whatever and I
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the brand new version of whatever and I
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the brand new version of whatever and I had to be on top of it or at least sound
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had to be on top of it or at least sound
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had to be on top of it or at least sound like I was on top of it right and uh and
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like I was on top of it right and uh and
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like I was on top of it right and uh and and it really forced me to you know uh
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and it really forced me to you know uh
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and it really forced me to you know uh to learn and and even when I taught at
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to learn and and even when I taught at
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to learn and and even when I taught at the University uh and I do this
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the University uh and I do this
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the University uh and I do this sometimes with articles but you know I
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sometimes with articles but you know I
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sometimes with articles but you know I would purposely pick um topics that I
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would purposely pick um topics that I
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would purposely pick um topics that I didn't know about right I go well if I
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didn't know about right I go well if I
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didn't know about right I go well if I sign up to teach this class I better
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sign up to teach this class I better
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sign up to teach this class I better freaking know what I I better talk like
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freaking know what I I better talk like
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freaking know what I I better talk like I know what I'm talking like I know what
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I know what I'm talking like I know what
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I know what I'm talking like I know what I'm talking about before class starts
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I'm talking about before class starts
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I'm talking about before class starts right and so it was it was a way for me
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right and so it was it was a way for me
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right and so it was it was a way for me to you know force myself into learning
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to you know force myself into learning
35:08
to you know force myself into learning uh uh I wouldn't say against my will but
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uh uh I wouldn't say against my will but
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uh uh I wouldn't say against my will but you know force myself to to keep on top
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you know force myself to to keep on top
35:13
you know force myself to to keep on top of things and you know I don't do that
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of things and you know I don't do that
35:15
of things and you know I don't do that as much anymore I don't like I said I
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as much anymore I don't like I said I
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as much anymore I don't like I said I don't keep track of the lady's greatest
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don't keep track of the lady's greatest
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don't keep track of the lady's greatest thing too much anymore but um I did back
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thing too much anymore but um I did back
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thing too much anymore but um I did back then and so it there's lots of ways to
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then and so it there's lots of ways to
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then and so it there's lots of ways to keep on top of things I think you know
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keep on top of things I think you know
35:27
keep on top of things I think you know and but it it it it it is something you
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and but it it it it it is something you
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and but it it it it it is something you have to be cognizant of and work on all
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have to be cognizant of and work on all
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have to be cognizant of and work on all the time right and that's you know
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the time right and that's you know
35:34
the time right and that's you know that's one thing I tell you know I've
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that's one thing I tell you know I've
35:36
that's one thing I tell you know I've been talking about soft about software
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been talking about soft about software
35:38
been talking about soft about software Engineers forever and that is you know
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Engineers forever and that is you know
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Engineers forever and that is you know it if you don't like to learn you're in
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it if you don't like to learn you're in
35:42
it if you don't like to learn you're in the wrong career you
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the wrong career you
35:44
the wrong career you know because I've had some people in my
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know because I've had some people in my
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know because I've had some people in my class that were kind of like yeah they
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class that were kind of like yeah they
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class that were kind of like yeah they just want to learn and then just make
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just want to learn and then just make
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just want to learn and then just make money and I then I'm going nope that's
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money and I then I'm going nope that's
35:51
money and I then I'm going nope that's not going to work you know this is not
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not going to work you know this is not
35:53
not going to work you know this is not the career for you if you don't want to
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the career for you if you don't want to
35:55
the career for you if you don't want to learn you know and uh especially if you
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learn you know and uh especially if you
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learn you know and uh especially if you want want to make the big money you have
35:59
want want to make the big money you have
35:59
want want to make the big money you have to keep learning there it's a constant
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to keep learning there it's a constant
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to keep learning there it's a constant constant job like every day we're
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constant job like every day we're
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constant job like every day we're learning and that's actually one of the
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learning and that's actually one of the
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learning and that's actually one of the things I like about software engineering
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things I like about software engineering
36:07
things I like about software engineering is that you can never learn everything
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is that you can never learn everything
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is that you can never learn everything right kind of like playing music on my
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right kind of like playing music on my
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right kind of like playing music on my guitar right you can never learn every
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guitar right you can never learn every
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guitar right you can never learn every song right and so that you are
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song right and so that you are
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song right and so that you are constantly challenged and I do like the
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constantly challenged and I do like the
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constantly challenged and I do like the challengeing become stressful too but I
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challengeing become stressful too but I
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challengeing become stressful too but I do like the challenge yeah yeah
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do like the challenge yeah yeah
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do like the challenge yeah yeah definitely I I I really like that uh
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definitely I I I really like that uh
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definitely I I I really like that uh that angle that approach um pick a topic
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that angle that approach um pick a topic
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that angle that approach um pick a topic that you are interested in but don't
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that you are interested in but don't
36:33
that you are interested in but don't know much about yeah and then start
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know much about yeah and then start
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know much about yeah and then start talking about it start writing about it
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talking about it start writing about it
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talking about it start writing about it uh most people are going to be afraid
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uh most people are going to be afraid
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uh most people are going to be afraid like what if I get called out yeah you
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like what if I get called out yeah you
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like what if I get called out yeah you know I'm talking about something that I
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know I'm talking about something that I
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know I'm talking about something that I don't know about and I say so what yeah
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don't know about and I say so what yeah
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don't know about and I say so what yeah the important thing here is you have to
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the important thing here is you have to
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the important thing here is you have to be honest like you don't want to present
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be honest like you don't want to present
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be honest like you don't want to present yourself as an expert about something
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yourself as an expert about something
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yourself as an expert about something that you don't know about right that
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that you don't know about right that
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that you don't know about right that that that's going to lead you into
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that that's going to lead you into
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that that's going to lead you into trouble but if you approach this from an
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trouble but if you approach this from an
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trouble but if you approach this from an angle like hey this is something I'm
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angle like hey this is something I'm
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angle like hey this is something I'm genuinely interested in I don't know
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genuinely interested in I don't know
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genuinely interested in I don't know anything about it but I'm going to talk
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anything about it but I'm going to talk
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anything about it but I'm going to talk about my learnings and my studies uh and
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about my learnings and my studies uh and
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about my learnings and my studies uh and that that's going to resonate with
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that that's going to resonate with
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that that's going to resonate with people yeah and I I I I'm going to take
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people yeah and I I I I'm going to take
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people yeah and I I I I'm going to take a pause here in a couple in a minute but
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a pause here in a couple in a minute but
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a pause here in a couple in a minute but before that I wanted to uh say that um
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before that I wanted to uh say that um
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before that I wanted to uh say that um now I forgot what I was going to say
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now I forgot what I was going to say
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now I forgot what I was going to say dang it I hate having brain f Parts but
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dang it I hate having brain f Parts but
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dang it I hate having brain f Parts but um uh oh for for those younger
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um uh oh for for those younger
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um uh oh for for those younger developers or even any developer you
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developers or even any developer you
37:34
developers or even any developer you know out there watching this right now
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know out there watching this right now
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know out there watching this right now you know and I think one of the
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you know and I think one of the
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you know and I think one of the important parts of being a software
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important parts of being a software
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important parts of being a software engineer and
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engineer and
37:42
engineer and and I wouldn't say important but one of
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and I wouldn't say important but one of
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and I wouldn't say important but one of the the things to sell yourself you know
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the the things to sell yourself you know
37:48
the the things to sell yourself you know and I'm not talking about even being a
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and I'm not talking about even being a
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and I'm not talking about even being a freelancer I'm just talking about
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freelancer I'm just talking about
37:52
freelancer I'm just talking about getting your next dream job right but
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getting your next dream job right but
37:54
getting your next dream job right but one of the ways of selling yourself is
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one of the ways of selling yourself is
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one of the ways of selling yourself is by creating content
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by creating content
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by creating content right and and so don't be afraid to
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right and and so don't be afraid to
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right and and so don't be afraid to create content you know you might get
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create content you know you might get
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create content you know you might get called out one of us might say no that's
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called out one of us might say no that's
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called out one of us might say no that's wrong and that's okay I mean that's how
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wrong and that's okay I mean that's how
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wrong and that's okay I mean that's how you learn but you know if you create I
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you learn but you know if you create I
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you learn but you know if you create I had a discussion you know not too long
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had a discussion you know not too long
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had a discussion you know not too long ago with one of my friends who doesn't
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ago with one of my friends who doesn't
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ago with one of my friends who doesn't create any content and he's looking for
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create any content and he's looking for
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create any content and he's looking for a job and I go dude you have to start
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a job and I go dude you have to start
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a job and I go dude you have to start writing you know you have to get your
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writing you know you have to get your
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writing you know you have to get your name out there you have to you know have
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name out there you have to you know have
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name out there you have to you know have some kind of presence online these days
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some kind of presence online these days
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some kind of presence online these days right and and and you don't have to
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right and and and you don't have to
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right and and and you don't have to write near as much as I do or you do or
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write near as much as I do or you do or
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write near as much as I do or you do or anything just one post a month I think
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anything just one post a month I think
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anything just one post a month I think is fine but you know but you have to
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is fine but you know but you have to
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is fine but you know but you have to work on selling yourself when even if
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work on selling yourself when even if
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work on selling yourself when even if you have a job you have to work on
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you have a job you have to work on
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you have a job you have to work on selling yourself because you never know
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selling yourself because you never know
38:39
selling yourself because you never know when you're going to walk into the
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when you're going to walk into the
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when you're going to walk into the office because this has happened to me
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office because this has happened to me
38:42
office because this has happened to me too many times is you know you never
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too many times is you know you never
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too many times is you know you never know when you walk in the office and
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know when you walk in the office and
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know when you walk in the office and they go yep you're laid
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they go yep you're laid
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they go yep you're laid off right and if you haven't worked on
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off right and if you haven't worked on
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off right and if you haven't worked on this before that point it's going to be
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this before that point it's going to be
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this before that point it's going to be a long time before you find your new uh
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a long time before you find your new uh
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a long time before you find your new uh position so
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position so
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position so um I want to take a quick break really
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um I want to take a quick break really
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um I want to take a quick break really quick uh so um I want to set this video
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quick uh so um I want to set this video
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quick uh so um I want to set this video up so some of my downtime I I decided to
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up so some of my downtime I I decided to
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up so some of my downtime I I decided to create a parody video and and this
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create a parody video and and this
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create a parody video and and this parody video and I I don't know Milan
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parody video and I I don't know Milan
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parody video and I I don't know Milan about you but in in America you know on
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about you but in in America you know on
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about you but in in America you know on on television you know they they all day
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on television you know they they all day
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on television you know they they all day long they play these commercials to try
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long they play these commercials to try
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long they play these commercials to try to get you to donate money to save
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to get you to donate money to save
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to get you to donate money to save animals or to save children or something
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animals or to save children or something
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animals or to save children or something like that right there always or save the
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like that right there always or save the
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like that right there always or save the planet or you know something and uh and
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planet or you know something and uh and
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planet or you know something and uh and a lot of these commercials are really
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a lot of these commercials are really
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a lot of these commercials are really really depressing I've even called some
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really depressing I've even called some
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really depressing I've even called some of these companies outo and you know
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of these companies outo and you know
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of these companies outo and you know there's no way I'm donating to you
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there's no way I'm donating to you
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there's no way I'm donating to you because your your commercials just
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because your your commercials just
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because your your commercials just depressed the heck out of me right and
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depressed the heck out of me right and
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depressed the heck out of me right and so uh uh anyway I decided to turn my
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so uh uh anyway I decided to turn my
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so uh uh anyway I decided to turn my frustration into a parody video so one
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frustration into a parody video so one
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frustration into a parody video so one day I was watching one of these
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day I was watching one of these
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day I was watching one of these depressing you know charity videos on TV
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depressing you know charity videos on TV
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depressing you know charity videos on TV and I came up with an idea and uh uh
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and I came up with an idea and uh uh
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and I came up with an idea and uh uh this is the idea you want to start the
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this is the idea you want to start the
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this is the idea you want to start the video Simon the young people in our
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video Simon the young people in our
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video Simon the young people in our lives depend on us and do a lot of
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lives depend on us and do a lot of
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lives depend on us and do a lot of waiting
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waiting
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waiting patiently they wait for us to come home
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patiently they wait for us to come home
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patiently they wait for us to come home to go outside or to spend time with them
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to go outside or to spend time with them
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to go outside or to spend time with them they wait and we respond greeting them
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they wait and we respond greeting them
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they wait and we respond greeting them with our love but for the thousands of
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with our love but for the thousands of
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with our love but for the thousands of young people who are looking at a blank
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young people who are looking at a blank
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young people who are looking at a blank computer screen waiting means something
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computer screen waiting means something
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computer screen waiting means something different today's teenagers have never
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different today's teenagers have never
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different today's teenagers have never seen a screen saer on their laptop
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seen a screen saer on their laptop
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seen a screen saer on their laptop tablet or
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tablet or
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tablet or computer will you help them
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computer will you help them
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computer will you help them today visit our website right now or
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today visit our website right now or
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today visit our website right now or call this number your $19 a month is all
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call this number your $19 a month is all
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call this number your $19 a month is all it takes to give a young person who's
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it takes to give a young person who's
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it takes to give a young person who's waiting the chance to feel the comfort
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waiting the chance to feel the comfort
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waiting the chance to feel the comfort of a computer screen
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of a computer screen
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of a computer screen saver please don't let them wait any
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saver please don't let them wait any
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saver please don't let them wait any longer act right now and donate just 63
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longer act right now and donate just 63
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longer act right now and donate just 63 cents a day
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cents a day
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cents a day your gift will send a screen saer to
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your gift will send a screen saer to
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your gift will send a screen saer to young people and change lives as our
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young people and change lives as our
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young people and change lives as our thanks we'll send you this package with
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thanks we'll send you this package with
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thanks we'll send you this package with a photo of a supported young person in
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a photo of a supported young person in
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a photo of a supported young person in our member magazine so you can see the
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our member magazine so you can see the
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our member magazine so you can see the lives you're impacting every day it's
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lives you're impacting every day it's
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lives you're impacting every day it's urgent if you call or join online in the
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urgent if you call or join online in the
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urgent if you call or join online in the next 10 minutes we'll also send you this
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next 10 minutes we'll also send you this
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next 10 minutes we'll also send you this one of a kind
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one of a kind
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one of a kind t-shirt unlike the young people in our
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t-shirt unlike the young people in our
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t-shirt unlike the young people in our lives the ones who wait in the dark
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lives the ones who wait in the dark
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lives the ones who wait in the dark can't wait much longer so please don't
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can't wait much longer so please don't
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can't wait much longer so please don't wait another minute to help them go
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wait another minute to help them go
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wait another minute to help them go online or call with your monthly gift
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online or call with your monthly gift
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online or call with your monthly gift right now it's up to us to enhance the
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right now it's up to us to enhance the
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right now it's up to us to enhance the lives of these teens and help pave the
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lives of these teens and help pave the
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lives of these teens and help pave the way for a brighter future for
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them it it you know I wanted to create
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them it it you know I wanted to create
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them it it you know I wanted to create that video quite a while ago but I had a
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that video quite a while ago but I had a
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that video quite a while ago but I had a hard time finding uh an AI tool that
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hard time finding uh an AI tool that
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hard time finding uh an AI tool that that I was about to say is all of this
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that I was about to say is all of this
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that I was about to say is all of this AI generated it's all AI generated I had
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AI generated it's all AI generated I had
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AI generated it's all AI generated I had a hard time finding a tool that I could
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a hard time finding a tool that I could
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a hard time finding a tool that I could put in text and make a depressing a
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put in text and make a depressing a
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put in text and make a depressing a voiceover right and you know I even
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voiceover right and you know I even
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voiceover right and you know I even asked you know on Twitter if if there's
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asked you know on Twitter if if there's
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asked you know on Twitter if if there's a female out there that would help me
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a female out there that would help me
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a female out there that would help me with this and no one said anything and
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with this and no one said anything and
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with this and no one said anything and so then it took me a while to find this
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so then it took me a while to find this
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so then it took me a while to find this uh uh you know online site where you can
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uh uh you know online site where you can
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uh uh you know online site where you can uh you'll do text to speech and you can
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uh you'll do text to speech and you can
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uh you'll do text to speech and you can tell it all kinds of different things
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tell it all kinds of different things
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tell it all kinds of different things like you want them to sound excited or
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like you want them to sound excited or
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like you want them to sound excited or sad or you know something like that and
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sad or you know something like that and
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sad or you know something like that and so it took me a while to find the sad
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so it took me a while to find the sad
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so it took me a while to find the sad sad thing but every one of those images
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sad thing but every one of those images
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sad thing but every one of those images except for the video is all generated
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except for the video is all generated
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except for the video is all generated with uh Adobe Fire
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with uh Adobe Fire
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with uh Adobe Fire firefly um that's what I used to do all
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firefly um that's what I used to do all
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firefly um that's what I used to do all these even the one behind me you know
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these even the one behind me you know
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these even the one behind me you know the all these uh images I do these days
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the all these uh images I do these days
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the all these uh images I do these days is all with Adobe Firefly I I really
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is all with Adobe Firefly I I really
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is all with Adobe Firefly I I really like it and uh but yeah all those images
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like it and uh but yeah all those images
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like it and uh but yeah all those images are fake the magazine is fake the
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are fake the magazine is fake the
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are fake the magazine is fake the website is fake so don't go to it or
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website is fake so don't go to it or
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website is fake so don't go to it or anything
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anything
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anything but that's that that's my answer of uh
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but that's that that's my answer of uh
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but that's that that's my answer of uh these depressing videos they show in
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these depressing videos they show in
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these depressing videos they show in America so I don't know if you have
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America so I don't know if you have
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America so I don't know if you have those where you are but man they're just
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those where you are but man they're just
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those where you are but man they're just no yeah nothing like this yeah it's it's
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no yeah nothing like this yeah it's it's
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no yeah nothing like this yeah it's it's all day every day here and it's uh yeah
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all day every day here and it's uh yeah
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all day every day here and it's uh yeah anyway all right so what other uh things
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anyway all right so what other uh things
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anyway all right so what other uh things do you want to talk about freelancing
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do you want to talk about freelancing
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do you want to talk about freelancing well I wanted to Circle back for a
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well I wanted to Circle back for a
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well I wanted to Circle back for a moment at least uh on on what you said
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moment at least uh on on what you said
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moment at least uh on on what you said before the
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before the
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before the commercial um about um content creation
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commercial um about um content creation
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commercial um about um content creation and uh and being able to to to get a job
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and uh and being able to to to get a job
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and uh and being able to to to get a job uh
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uh
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uh like it it simply
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like it it simply
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like it it simply works like go out there and write
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works like go out there and write
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works like go out there and write something like all of us are solving
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something like all of us are solving
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something like all of us are solving problems every single day uh the
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problems every single day uh the
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problems every single day uh the simplest thing you could do is to open
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simplest thing you could do is to open
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simplest thing you could do is to open up Twitter uh write a short tweet about
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up Twitter uh write a short tweet about
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up Twitter uh write a short tweet about what particular problem you solved uh
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what particular problem you solved uh
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what particular problem you solved uh you don't have to break any NDA to to do
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you don't have to break any NDA to to do
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you don't have to break any NDA to to do that you can talk in generic terms uh
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that you can talk in generic terms uh
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that you can talk in generic terms uh and if you keep doing that let's say
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and if you keep doing that let's say
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and if you keep doing that let's say once a month or once a week is going to
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once a month or once a week is going to
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once a month or once a week is going to add up uh and things like that make a
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add up uh and things like that make a
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add up uh and things like that make a difference um I speak from experience
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difference um I speak from experience
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difference um I speak from experience because I've I get a lot of job offers
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because I've I get a lot of job offers
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because I've I get a lot of job offers uh from from recruiters who who find me
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uh from from recruiters who who find me
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uh from from recruiters who who find me simply because I'm uh I'm visible on on
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simply because I'm uh I'm visible on on
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simply because I'm uh I'm visible on on on these platforms yeah um
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on these platforms yeah um
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on these platforms yeah um so yeah that's what I want I wanted to
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so yeah that's what I want I wanted to
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so yeah that's what I want I wanted to kind of
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kind of
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kind of um highlight what you said with with a
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um highlight what you said with with a
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um highlight what you said with with a personal example and and even speaking
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personal example and and even speaking
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personal example and and even speaking you know really really helps because I
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you know really really helps because I
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you know really really helps because I got multiple job offers just because the
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got multiple job offers just because the
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got multiple job offers just because the the person or the recruiter was sitting
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the person or the recruiter was sitting
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the person or the recruiter was sitting in my audience and liked me so much that
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in my audience and liked me so much that
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in my audience and liked me so much that they wanted to hire me right and so uh
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they wanted to hire me right and so uh
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they wanted to hire me right and so uh again speaking gives you a lot of
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again speaking gives you a lot of
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again speaking gives you a lot of credibility right writing does too but
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credibility right writing does too but
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credibility right writing does too but speaking really does and so if you can
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speaking really does and so if you can
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speaking really does and so if you can get over your shyness and everything
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get over your shyness and everything
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get over your shyness and everything like I did to speak in front of people
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like I did to speak in front of people
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like I did to speak in front of people you know that is is golden if you ask me
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you know that is is golden if you ask me
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you know that is is golden if you ask me right and and yeah definitely but it's
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right and and yeah definitely but it's
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right and and yeah definitely but it's also very challenging it's very
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also very challenging it's very
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also very challenging it's very challenging it's very tough to get in
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challenging it's very tough to get in
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challenging it's very tough to get in conferences these days but
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conferences these days but
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conferences these days but yeah it's okay um so let's continue our
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yeah it's okay um so let's continue our
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yeah it's okay um so let's continue our discussion about freelancing uh and I
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discussion about freelancing uh and I
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discussion about freelancing uh and I wanted to share this like interesting
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wanted to share this like interesting
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wanted to share this like interesting story that that of what happened for a
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story that that of what happened for a
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story that that of what happened for a specific U job offer that I ran into on
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specific U job offer that I ran into on
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specific U job offer that I ran into on opw work
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opw work
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opw work um the the job description was super
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um the the job description was super
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um the the job description was super exciting from a technological
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exciting from a technological
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exciting from a technological perspective uh it was
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perspective uh it was
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perspective uh it was a text to to
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a text to to
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a text to to speech
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speech
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speech um um implementation it wasn't using
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um um implementation it wasn't using
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um um implementation it wasn't using these
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these
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these was a few years ago so Chad jpt wasn't
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was a few years ago so Chad jpt wasn't
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was a few years ago so Chad jpt wasn't available yet and all of the latest
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available yet and all of the latest
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available yet and all of the latest cutting a ji tools that we have right
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cutting a ji tools that we have right
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cutting a ji tools that we have right now so um we were using um an Azure tool
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now so um we were using um an Azure tool
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now so um we were using um an Azure tool for text to speech I can't recall the
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for text to speech I can't recall the
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for text to speech I can't recall the name right now but it doesn't really
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name right now but it doesn't really
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name right now but it doesn't really matter uh the point is the the job the
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matter uh the point is the the job the
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matter uh the point is the the job the job description was really exciting um
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job description was really exciting um
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job description was really exciting um so I went ahead and applied um but the
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so I went ahead and applied um but the
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so I went ahead and applied um but the one problem that I had with with that
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one problem that I had with with that
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one problem that I had with with that job offer was that their budget was
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job offer was that their budget was
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job offer was that their budget was pretty low from my estimate of what it
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pretty low from my estimate of what it
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pretty low from my estimate of what it would take uh to complete the job it was
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would take uh to complete the job it was
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would take uh to complete the job it was a relatively long job like a few weeks
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a relatively long job like a few weeks
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a relatively long job like a few weeks probably um
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probably um
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probably um and I went in with the with the idea
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and I went in with the with the idea
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and I went in with the with the idea that I was going to provide value as as
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that I was going to provide value as as
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that I was going to provide value as as a potential freelancer um and what I did
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a potential freelancer um and what I did
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a potential freelancer um and what I did was I answered all of those generic
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was I answered all of those generic
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was I answered all of those generic questions that you get on most job
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questions that you get on most job
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questions that you get on most job offers uh and I left a
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offers uh and I left a
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offers uh and I left a note saying like here's the solution
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note saying like here's the solution
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note saying like here's the solution that I would Implement like I did a high
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that I would Implement like I did a high
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that I would Implement like I did a high level solution but it was detailed
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level solution but it was detailed
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level solution but it was detailed enough to to to Showcase my expertise uh
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enough to to to Showcase my expertise uh
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enough to to to Showcase my expertise uh and then I
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and then I
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and then I said you're free to pass this plan along
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said you're free to pass this plan along
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said you're free to pass this plan along to any freelancer that you hire uh
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to any freelancer that you hire uh
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to any freelancer that you hire uh um I simply can't complete this job with
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um I simply can't complete this job with
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um I simply can't complete this job with the budget that you have in place so it
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the budget that you have in place so it
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the budget that you have in place so it was a very um transparent message from
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was a very um transparent message from
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was a very um transparent message from from my side sure and I was I was kind
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from my side sure and I was I was kind
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from my side sure and I was I was kind of hoping that the client would uh
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of hoping that the client would uh
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of hoping that the client would uh notice that and just be open to
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notice that and just be open to
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notice that and just be open to renegotiate the budget and surprisingly
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renegotiate the budget and surprisingly
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renegotiate the budget and surprisingly that's that's what happened
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that's that's what happened
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that's that's what happened um so the the client reached out uh
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um so the the client reached out uh
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um so the the client reached out uh pretty pretty much like uh you're the
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pretty pretty much like uh you're the
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pretty pretty much like uh you're the most honest here I like your uh
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most honest here I like your uh
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most honest here I like your uh expertise obviously I had some
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expertise obviously I had some
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expertise obviously I had some experience on appwork um I'm a top rated
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experience on appwork um I'm a top rated
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experience on appwork um I'm a top rated freelancer so that helps also um and we
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freelancer so that helps also um and we
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freelancer so that helps also um and we ended up agreeing on a budget that
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ended up agreeing on a budget that
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ended up agreeing on a budget that worked for both the client and for me um
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worked for both the client and for me um
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worked for both the client and for me um and then I took the job completed the
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and then I took the job completed the
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and then I took the job completed the job and everything worked out great but
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job and everything worked out great but
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job and everything worked out great but uh simply be aware that you you don't
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uh simply be aware that you you don't
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uh simply be aware that you you don't have to sell for Less yes
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have to sell for Less yes
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have to sell for Less yes um
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um
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um if if if your life doesn't depend on it
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if if if your life doesn't depend on it
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if if if your life doesn't depend on it basically not all of us are in that
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basically not all of us are in that
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basically not all of us are in that position I was definitely not in that
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position I was definitely not in that
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position I was definitely not in that position starting out I would take any
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position starting out I would take any
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position starting out I would take any job that I could but after after a
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job that I could but after after a
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job that I could but after after a certain point of time you have to also
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certain point of time you have to also
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certain point of time you have to also start looking out for yourself yes um so
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start looking out for yourself yes um so
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start looking out for yourself yes um so definitely be open to
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definitely be open to
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definitely be open to negotiation uh because this is business
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negotiation uh because this is business
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negotiation uh because this is business right uh uh
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right uh uh
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right uh uh you're you're a freelancer For Hire but
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you're you're a freelancer For Hire but
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you're you're a freelancer For Hire but also you can also uh have your own terms
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also you can also uh have your own terms
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also you can also uh have your own terms and and uh people people people are
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and and uh people people people are
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and and uh people people people are going to respect that yeah and and that
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going to respect that yeah and and that
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going to respect that yeah and and that applies to any job I don't care if it's
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applies to any job I don't care if it's
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applies to any job I don't care if it's full-time or contract or freelancing
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full-time or contract or freelancing
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full-time or contract or freelancing every job is negotiable right and and
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every job is negotiable right and and
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every job is negotiable right and and not only the pay but how much vacation
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not only the pay but how much vacation
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not only the pay but how much vacation you get and things everything is
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you get and things everything is
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you get and things everything is negotiable and you know like I used to
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negotiable and you know like I used to
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negotiable and you know like I used to write in my contract that you know they
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write in my contract that you know they
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write in my contract that you know they had to send me to two conferences a year
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had to send me to two conferences a year
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had to send me to two conferences a year right and uh and things like that so
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right and uh and things like that so
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right and uh and things like that so every you know if you can sell yourself
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every you know if you can sell yourself
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every you know if you can sell yourself good enough uh you can ask for anything
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good enough uh you can ask for anything
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good enough uh you can ask for anything pretty much and but but I never heard
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pretty much and but but I never heard
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pretty much and but but I never heard about you giving a solution for free and
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about you giving a solution for free and
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about you giving a solution for free and then coming back and and negotiating
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then coming back and and negotiating
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then coming back and and negotiating that's that's really good and and that's
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that's that's really good and and that's
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that's that's really good and and that's that's a really good idea because I'm
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that's a really good idea because I'm
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that's a really good idea because I'm sure especially after I I looked at a
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sure especially after I I looked at a
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sure especially after I I looked at a lot of the the posting Zone up upw work
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lot of the the posting Zone up upw work
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lot of the the posting Zone up upw work is I'm not sure if all those businesses
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is I'm not sure if all those businesses
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is I'm not sure if all those businesses really know much about software
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really know much about software
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really know much about software engineering they just need help you know
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engineering they just need help you know
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engineering they just need help you know doing this one thing or that thing and
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doing this one thing or that thing and
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doing this one thing or that thing and uh and they they they're not in the tech
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uh and they they they're not in the tech
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uh and they they they're not in the tech World basically and uh so they really
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World basically and uh so they really
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World basically and uh so they really don't know how much you know developers
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don't know how much you know developers
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don't know how much you know developers the good developers are demanding so
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the good developers are demanding so
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the good developers are demanding so that's really good you do that and and
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that's really good you do that and and
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that's really good you do that and and it it worked out you know that that's
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it it worked out you know that that's
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it it worked out you know that that's yeah that's good I was going to tell
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yeah that's good I was going to tell
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yeah that's good I was going to tell another story but we're running short on
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another story but we're running short on
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another story but we're running short on time but um uh but that's a good idea
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time but um uh but that's a good idea
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time but um uh but that's a good idea I'm going to remember that next time I
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I'm going to remember that next time I
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I'm going to remember that next time I they don't want to the pay is too low
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they don't want to the pay is too low
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they don't want to the pay is too low for me and maybe I'll come up with a
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for me and maybe I'll come up with a
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for me and maybe I'll come up with a solution for them yeah that's a good
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solution for them yeah that's a good
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solution for them yeah that's a good idea I come up with a solution I'm going
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idea I come up with a solution I'm going
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idea I come up with a solution I'm going to write that down right now
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to write that down right now
50:28
to write that down right now yep you just don't want it to take like
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yep you just don't want it to take like
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yep you just don't want it to take like too much of your your effort yeah but
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too much of your your effort yeah but
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too much of your your effort yeah but something to Showcase your expertise and
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something to Showcase your expertise and
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something to Showcase your expertise and and Goodwill yeah yeah yeah because and
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and Goodwill yeah yeah yeah because and
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and Goodwill yeah yeah yeah because and you're you're right it's you know it's a
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you're you're right it's you know it's a
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you're you're right it's you know it's a good trust thing like I like how you
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good trust thing like I like how you
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good trust thing like I like how you highlighted that they they you know they
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highlighted that they they you know they
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highlighted that they they you know they you know they trusted you more because
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you know they trusted you more because
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you know they trusted you more because you were willing to say the truth you
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you were willing to say the truth you
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you were willing to say the truth you know and uh and not obus skate things or
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know and uh and not obus skate things or
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know and uh and not obus skate things or not you know things like like that and
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not you know things like like that and
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not you know things like like that and and you know to me you know the truth is
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and you know to me you know the truth is
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and you know to me you know the truth is always better you know and it might hurt
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always better you know and it might hurt
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always better you know and it might hurt sometimes but it's you know in the end
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sometimes but it's you know in the end
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sometimes but it's you know in the end it's always the best way to go um but
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it's always the best way to go um but
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it's always the best way to go um but before you run out of time uh so one are
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before you run out of time uh so one are
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before you run out of time uh so one are some other quick things people can do to
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some other quick things people can do to
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some other quick things people can do to you know get started and this include
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you know get started and this include
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you know get started and this include you know uh what sites that you use and
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you know uh what sites that you use and
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you know uh what sites that you use and things like that
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things like that
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things like that so so like I have the most experience
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so so like I have the most experience
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so so like I have the most experience with upwork M um so I recommend really
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with upwork M um so I recommend really
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with upwork M um so I recommend really trying it out it works there there's a
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trying it out it works there there's a
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trying it out it works there there's a ton of job offers there's new job offers
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ton of job offers there's new job offers
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ton of job offers there's new job offers every single day yeah uh just um their
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every single day yeah uh just um their
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every single day yeah uh just um their search capability allows you to create a
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search capability allows you to create a
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search capability allows you to create a filter so you can pick out a specific
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filter so you can pick out a specific
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filter so you can pick out a specific job that you want in terms of
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job that you want in terms of
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job that you want in terms of Technologies uh the amount you could
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Technologies uh the amount you could
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Technologies uh the amount you could earn the the length of engagement
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earn the the length of engagement
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earn the the length of engagement engagement um save that as a filter and
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engagement um save that as a filter and
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engagement um save that as a filter and then come back to it every few days uh
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then come back to it every few days uh
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then come back to it every few days uh sift through the latest jobs and just
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sift through the latest jobs and just
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sift through the latest jobs and just just try to apply to a few jobs uh and
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just try to apply to a few jobs uh and
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just try to apply to a few jobs uh and over time you're going to get better uh
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over time you're going to get better uh
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over time you're going to get better uh sooner or later somebody's going to
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sooner or later somebody's going to
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sooner or later somebody's going to reply to your job offer you can start a
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reply to your job offer you can start a
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reply to your job offer you can start a discussion and you can start gaining
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discussion and you can start gaining
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discussion and you can start gaining experience uh because the only reason
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experience uh because the only reason
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experience uh because the only reason you're not getting jobs assuming that
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you're not getting jobs assuming that
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you're not getting jobs assuming that you are actually technically proficient
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you are actually technically proficient
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you are actually technically proficient because you you probably need to work on
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because you you probably need to work on
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because you you probably need to work on that part more before you should start
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that part more before you should start
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that part more before you should start freelancing so let's say you've got some
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freelancing so let's say you've got some
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freelancing so let's say you've got some technical a few years of experience
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technical a few years of experience
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technical a few years of experience under your belt you know how to build
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under your belt you know how to build
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under your belt you know how to build stuff using Code um the next skill you
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stuff using Code um the next skill you
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stuff using Code um the next skill you need is simply write how to sell sell
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need is simply write how to sell sell
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need is simply write how to sell sell yourself as you say David um and how to
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yourself as you say David um and how to
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yourself as you say David um and how to write the job offer so that you spark um
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write the job offer so that you spark um
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write the job offer so that you spark um uh an interest from from the client so
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uh an interest from from the client so
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uh an interest from from the client so here's a a tip that that I like to use
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here's a a tip that that I like to use
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here's a a tip that that I like to use um when you open up the the client's
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um when you open up the the client's
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um when you open up the the client's upwork profile some sometimes you can
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upwork profile some sometimes you can
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upwork profile some sometimes you can see where they are from it can it can
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see where they are from it can it can
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see where they are from it can it can either be a country or even better if
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either be a country or even better if
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either be a country or even better if it's a city right and then what I'll do
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it's a city right and then what I'll do
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it's a city right and then what I'll do is I I will look up uh what is the let's
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is I I will look up uh what is the let's
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is I I will look up uh what is the let's say what's the current weather over
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say what's the current weather over
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say what's the current weather over there if it's raining or something if
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there if it's raining or something if
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there if it's raining or something if it's snowing I don't know uh and just
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it's snowing I don't know uh and just
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it's snowing I don't know uh and just include that Personal Touch in your
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include that Personal Touch in your
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include that Personal Touch in your message like hey I heard there there was
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message like hey I heard there there was
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message like hey I heard there there was a big hail storm down in Dallas I don't
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a big hail storm down in Dallas I don't
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a big hail storm down in Dallas I don't know uh something like that you know
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know uh something like that you know
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know uh something like that you know people are going to read that they're
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people are going to read that they're
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people are going to read that they're going to notice you because you actually
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going to notice you because you actually
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going to notice you because you actually took a bit more effort than anybody than
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took a bit more effort than anybody than
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took a bit more effort than anybody than than the the other Freelancers and so
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than the the other Freelancers and so
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than the the other Freelancers and so that there's a simple hack how you can
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that there's a simple hack how you can
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that there's a simple hack how you can differentiate yourself yeah yeah yeah
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differentiate yourself yeah yeah yeah
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differentiate yourself yeah yeah yeah that that reminds me of a a job I got
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that that reminds me of a a job I got
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that that reminds me of a a job I got before I was a software engineer and and
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before I was a software engineer and and
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before I was a software engineer and and I I've written and said this multiple
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I I've written and said this multiple
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I I've written and said this multiple times where you know I I think the only
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times where you know I I think the only
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times where you know I I think the only reason they hired me because I was the
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reason they hired me because I was the
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reason they hired me because I was the only one that called back and followed
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only one that called back and followed
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only one that called back and followed up right that's that's that's the
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up right that's that's that's the
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up right that's that's that's the feeling I got got right and I won't go
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feeling I got got right and I won't go
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feeling I got got right and I won't go into the whole story but you know that's
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into the whole story but you know that's
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into the whole story but you know that's what I always felt that I was the only
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what I always felt that I was the only
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what I always felt that I was the only one that called back because that's an
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one that called back because that's an
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one that called back because that's an important thing you know I it's it's
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important thing you know I it's it's
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important thing you know I it's it's kind it you know things have changed
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kind it you know things have changed
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kind it you know things have changed since you know I started being a
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since you know I started being a
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since you know I started being a software engineer but back then it was
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software engineer but back then it was
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software engineer but back then it was important for you to follow up after the
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important for you to follow up after the
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important for you to follow up after the interview and this was before you know
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interview and this was before you know
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interview and this was before you know people used email much it was you know
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people used email much it was you know
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people used email much it was you know all through phone and things like that
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all through phone and things like that
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all through phone and things like that but I called I was going out of town
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but I called I was going out of town
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but I called I was going out of town with my uh family and I wanted to know
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with my uh family and I wanted to know
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with my uh family and I wanted to know before I left and I called and they said
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before I left and I called and they said
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before I left and I called and they said oh you're hired and go oh
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oh you're hired and go oh
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oh you're hired and go oh really so uh yeah you don't be afraid to
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really so uh yeah you don't be afraid to
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really so uh yeah you don't be afraid to put yourself out there believe me there
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put yourself out there believe me there
54:34
put yourself out there believe me there you're going to get a lot of rejections
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you're going to get a lot of rejections
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you're going to get a lot of rejections that's the other thing you're going to
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that's the other thing you're going to
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that's the other thing you're going to have to be you have to be really good at
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have to be you have to be really good at
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have to be you have to be really good at rejections which a lot of us including
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rejections which a lot of us including
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rejections which a lot of us including myself are not great at but uh you're
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myself are not great at but uh you're
54:43
myself are not great at but uh you're going to get rejected a lot believe me
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going to get rejected a lot believe me
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going to get rejected a lot believe me and uh but you know through all those
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and uh but you know through all those
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and uh but you know through all those rejections you're going to find
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rejections you're going to find
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rejections you're going to find something that really fits for
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something that really fits for
54:51
something that really fits for you yeah yep that's definitely been my
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you yeah yep that's definitely been my
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you yeah yep that's definitely been my experience yeah
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experience yeah
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experience yeah um anything else you want to talk you
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um anything else you want to talk you
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um anything else you want to talk you want to say real quick we got a c um one
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want to say real quick we got a c um one
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want to say real quick we got a c um one more quick tip would be uh reach out to
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more quick tip would be uh reach out to
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more quick tip would be uh reach out to your friends like if you have some more
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your friends like if you have some more
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your friends like if you have some more experienced colleagues uh chances are
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experienced colleagues uh chances are
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experienced colleagues uh chances are someone out there that you know is
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someone out there that you know is
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someone out there that you know is freelancing and they're pretty good at
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freelancing and they're pretty good at
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freelancing and they're pretty good at it and they probably have some work that
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it and they probably have some work that
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it and they probably have some work that they could delegate to you so that could
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they could delegate to you so that could
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they could delegate to you so that could be an easy way to get into
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be an easy way to get into
55:20
be an easy way to get into freelancing um that's that's been how
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freelancing um that's that's been how
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freelancing um that's that's been how I've gotten a few uh freelancing gigs
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I've gotten a few uh freelancing gigs
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I've gotten a few uh freelancing gigs out outside of offw work through some
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out outside of offw work through some
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out outside of offw work through some colleagues and acquaintances uh that
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colleagues and acquaintances uh that
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colleagues and acquaintances uh that I've met through my day job uh so just
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I've met through my day job uh so just
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I've met through my day job uh so just talk to people you know you never know
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talk to people you know you never know
55:36
talk to people you know you never know who who you know and and what they're
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who who you know and and what they're
55:38
who who you know and and what they're working on yeah yeah that's a it's an
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working on yeah yeah that's a it's an
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working on yeah yeah that's a it's an important thing it's talking right in
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important thing it's talking right in
55:43
important thing it's talking right in this in this career and again I know a
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this in this career and again I know a
55:45
this in this career and again I know a lot of us are introverts including
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lot of us are introverts including
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lot of us are introverts including myself you know but you you have to get
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myself you know but you you have to get
55:49
myself you know but you you have to get outside of that if you're going to be
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outside of that if you're going to be
55:52
outside of that if you're going to be making a if you really want to make a
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making a if you really want to make a
55:54
making a if you really want to make a lot of money or be really popular or
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lot of money or be really popular or
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lot of money or be really popular or whatever you're going to have to break
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whatever you're going to have to break
55:57
whatever you're going to have to break out of your shell and you know and
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out of your shell and you know and
55:59
out of your shell and you know and that's actually why I purposely you know
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that's actually why I purposely you know
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that's actually why I purposely you know started learning how to speak in front
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started learning how to speak in front
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started learning how to speak in front of people the first year I was a
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of people the first year I was a
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of people the first year I was a software engineer because you know I was
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software engineer because you know I was
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software engineer because you know I was deathly I I avoided talking in front of
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deathly I I avoided talking in front of
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deathly I I avoided talking in front of people at all costs before that happened
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people at all costs before that happened
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people at all costs before that happened right I would rather die you know but
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right I would rather die you know but
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right I would rather die you know but but but the first year I was a software
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but but the first year I was a software
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but but the first year I was a software engineer I knew that I would not get to
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engineer I knew that I would not get to
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engineer I knew that I would not get to where I am now if I was like that right
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where I am now if I was like that right
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where I am now if I was like that right and and that's why I forced myself just
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and and that's why I forced myself just
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and and that's why I forced myself just to with you know like four other guys to
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to with you know like four other guys to
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to with you know like four other guys to start a user group here and actually you
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start a user group here and actually you
56:35
start a user group here and actually you know July of uh 30 years ago was my
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know July of uh 30 years ago was my
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know July of uh 30 years ago was my first like in-person talk in front of
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first like in-person talk in front of
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first like in-person talk in front of real developers you know it will be this
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real developers you know it will be this
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real developers you know it will be this July and um but and and I and in the
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July and um but and and I and in the
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July and um but and and I and in the beginning I was terrified right and I I
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beginning I was terrified right and I I
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beginning I was terrified right and I I I've talked about this a lot but I was
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I've talked about this a lot but I was
56:54
I've talked about this a lot but I was terrified in speaking in front of people
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terrified in speaking in front of people
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terrified in speaking in front of people but even when I did it you know and even
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but even when I did it you know and even
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but even when I did it you know and even my first conference you know that was
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my first conference you know that was
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my first conference you know that was here in San Diego a conference called me
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here in San Diego a conference called me
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here in San Diego a conference called me and said hey will you come speak and I
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and said hey will you come speak and I
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and said hey will you come speak and I go okay but I was so afraid because that
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go okay but I was so afraid because that
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go okay but I was so afraid because that was the first time like I spoke in front
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was the first time like I spoke in front
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was the first time like I spoke in front of you know two 300 people with a
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of you know two 300 people with a
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of you know two 300 people with a microphone and everything and and it's
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microphone and everything and and it's
57:14
microphone and everything and and it's terrifying but you know how do you get
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terrifying but you know how do you get
57:16
terrifying but you know how do you get over that fear for me it was just doing
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over that fear for me it was just doing
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over that fear for me it was just doing it over and over again until it went
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it over and over again until it went
57:22
it over and over again until it went away I and I know some people it never
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away I and I know some people it never
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away I and I know some people it never goes away I mean there's musicians like
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goes away I mean there's musicians like
57:27
goes away I mean there's musicians like if you've ever heard of Barbara strand
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if you've ever heard of Barbara strand
57:29
if you've ever heard of Barbara strand she still throws up before she sings in
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she still throws up before she sings in
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she still throws up before she sings in front of people you know and and she's
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front of people you know and and she's
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front of people you know and and she's in her 70s or 80s right so for some
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in her 70s or 80s right so for some
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in her 70s or 80s right so for some people it never goes away but but for me
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people it never goes away but but for me
57:39
people it never goes away but but for me I just kept doing it kept doing it and
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I just kept doing it kept doing it and
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I just kept doing it kept doing it and you know I've spoke in front of so many
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you know I've spoke in front of so many
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you know I've spoke in front of so many people now that it doesn't even bother
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people now that it doesn't even bother
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people now that it doesn't even bother me anymore you know it I I get a little
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me anymore you know it I I get a little
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me anymore you know it I I get a little bit nervous the first time I'm speaking
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bit nervous the first time I'm speaking
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bit nervous the first time I'm speaking in in a in a new country right uh like I
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in in a in a new country right uh like I
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in in a in a new country right uh like I remember the first time I spoke in India
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remember the first time I spoke in India
57:57
remember the first time I spoke in India I was a bit nervous right because I
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I was a bit nervous right because I
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I was a bit nervous right because I don't know how the developers there are
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don't know how the developers there are
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don't know how the developers there are going to you know accept my accept me
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going to you know accept my accept me
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going to you know accept my accept me right and uh so I get a little bit
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right and uh so I get a little bit
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right and uh so I get a little bit nervous at new places like that but but
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nervous at new places like that but but
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nervous at new places like that but but other than that I can talk in front of
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other than that I can talk in front of
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other than that I can talk in front of 800 people and not get not get any
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800 people and not get not get any
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800 people and not get not get any nerves anymore but like I said it's just
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nerves anymore but like I said it's just
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nerves anymore but like I said it's just keep doing it over and over again it's
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keep doing it over and over again it's
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keep doing it over and over again it's going to you're not going to like it in
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going to you're not going to like it in
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going to you're not going to like it in beginning believe me uh but you know
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beginning believe me uh but you know
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beginning believe me uh but you know their reard in the other side is is
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their reard in the other side is is
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their reard in the other side is is really really big right and uh no nobody
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really really big right and uh no nobody
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really really big right and uh no nobody you know in the tech World got there by
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you know in the tech World got there by
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you know in the tech World got there by being quiet right oh yeah
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being quiet right oh yeah
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being quiet right oh yeah nobody It's usually the noisiest people
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nobody It's usually the noisiest people
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nobody It's usually the noisiest people is you hear about right in in anything
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is you hear about right in in anything
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is you hear about right in in anything right even politics right and uh but
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right even politics right and uh but
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right even politics right and uh but yeah you just have to keep doing it
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yeah you just have to keep doing it
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yeah you just have to keep doing it that's my big advice right there just
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that's my big advice right there just
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that's my big advice right there just keep trying you're it's going to be
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keep trying you're it's going to be
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keep trying you're it's going to be tough you're going to get rejections but
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tough you're going to get rejections but
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tough you're going to get rejections but just keep doing it because it's very
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just keep doing it because it's very
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just keep doing it because it's very rewarding you know for me you know uh uh
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rewarding you know for me you know uh uh
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rewarding you know for me you know uh uh sharing my knowledge since I've been
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sharing my knowledge since I've been
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sharing my knowledge since I've been doing the first year I was a sofware
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doing the first year I was a sofware
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doing the first year I was a sofware engineer is the biggest reward to me
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engineer is the biggest reward to me
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engineer is the biggest reward to me really you know is that right and and uh
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really you know is that right and and uh
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really you know is that right and and uh I if I could make money just doing that
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I if I could make money just doing that
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I if I could make money just doing that right it's full-time job I would do it
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right it's full-time job I would do it
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right it's full-time job I would do it right but you know the real world world
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right but you know the real world world
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right but you know the real world world isn't always like that so I think you
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isn't always like that so I think you
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isn't always like that so I think you could also be a a motivational speaker
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could also be a a motivational speaker
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could also be a a motivational speaker yeah you're making me excited here I'm
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yeah you're making me excited here I'm
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yeah you're making me excited here I'm I'm I'm going to apply to speak at a
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I'm I'm going to apply to speak at a
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I'm I'm going to apply to speak at a conference now yeah you should and and
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conference now yeah you should and and
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conference now yeah you should and and and I was thinking you know you know one
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and I was thinking you know you know one
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and I was thinking you know you know one of the other things I think younger
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of the other things I think younger
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of the other things I think younger developers should do uh because I didn't
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developers should do uh because I didn't
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developers should do uh because I didn't really have this opportunity you know
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really have this opportunity you know
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really have this opportunity you know when I was a younger developer but uh
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when I was a younger developer but uh
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when I was a younger developer but uh but now with you know everything that we
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but now with you know everything that we
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but now with you know everything that we can do on the internet you know you know
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can do on the internet you know you know
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can do on the internet you know you know online meetings and all those kind of
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online meetings and all those kind of
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online meetings and all those kind of things is go find a mentor right it
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things is go find a mentor right it
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things is go find a mentor right it especially when you're younger developer
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especially when you're younger developer
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especially when you're younger developer go find someone who experience like
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go find someone who experience like
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go find someone who experience like myself and I know other people in my
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myself and I know other people in my
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myself and I know other people in my that I'm close to do do do Mentor people
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that I'm close to do do do Mentor people
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that I'm close to do do do Mentor people you know they don't do it for free and
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you know they don't do it for free and
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you know they don't do it for free and nor should they right but uh I do Mentor
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nor should they right but uh I do Mentor
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nor should they right but uh I do Mentor one person for free I used to work with
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one person for free I used to work with
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one person for free I used to work with her and I still Mentor her she's about
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her and I still Mentor her she's about
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her and I still Mentor her she's about to graduate uh from Ms degree uh this
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to graduate uh from Ms degree uh this
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to graduate uh from Ms degree uh this month I think actually and um oh that's
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month I think actually and um oh that's
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month I think actually and um oh that's awesome but uh find a mentor you know I
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awesome but uh find a mentor you know I
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awesome but uh find a mentor you know I I remember uh when I was leaving the
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I remember uh when I was leaving the
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I remember uh when I was leaving the comp company I was working with her she
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comp company I was working with her she
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comp company I was working with her she invited me to San Jose to hang out with
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invited me to San Jose to hang out with
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invited me to San Jose to hang out with her family for a weekend and uh and her
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her family for a weekend and uh and her
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her family for a weekend and uh and her mom said to me really really touched me
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mom said to me really really touched me
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mom said to me really really touched me she goes I'm really upset you're leaving
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she goes I'm really upset you're leaving
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she goes I'm really upset you're leaving the company because now my daughter
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the company because now my daughter
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the company because now my daughter doesn't have a mentor anymore and uh I
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doesn't have a mentor anymore and uh I
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doesn't have a mentor anymore and uh I said I said wait a minute I will always
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said I said wait a minute I will always
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said I said wait a minute I will always Mentor your daughter don't worry about
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Mentor your daughter don't worry about
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Mentor your daughter don't worry about that right so don't feel bad I'm always
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that right so don't feel bad I'm always
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that right so don't feel bad I'm always going to Mentor her because I see such
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going to Mentor her because I see such
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going to Mentor her because I see such potential in your daughter that I will
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potential in your daughter that I will
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potential in your daughter that I will never stop mentoring her but that really
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never stop mentoring her but that really
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never stop mentoring her but that really touched me that someone a mom was
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touched me that someone a mom was
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touched me that someone a mom was worried was upset that I was leaving job
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worried was upset that I was leaving job
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worried was upset that I was leaving job right and uh so that's the other my last
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right and uh so that's the other my last
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right and uh so that's the other my last tip for for this show is find a mentor
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tip for for this show is find a mentor
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tip for for this show is find a mentor right and and the mentor could be in
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right and and the mentor could be in
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right and and the mentor could be in anything even speaking or writing or
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anything even speaking or writing or
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anything even speaking or writing or anything right just go find someone
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anything right just go find someone
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anything right just go find someone who's done it and if you really want to
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who's done it and if you really want to
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who's done it and if you really want to do it they will help you most of us will
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do it they will help you most of us will
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do it they will help you most of us will bend over backwards to help you right I
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bend over backwards to help you right I
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bend over backwards to help you right I I ran a nonprofit group for 20 years and
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I ran a nonprofit group for 20 years and
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I ran a nonprofit group for 20 years and I will
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I will
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I will always help people right and I will
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always help people right and I will
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always help people right and I will always do that until I'm I leave this
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always do that until I'm I leave this
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always do that until I'm I leave this earth but uh but mentoring is a great
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earth but uh but mentoring is a great
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earth but uh but mentoring is a great thing so with that I've gotta let you go
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thing so with that I've gotta let you go
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thing so with that I've gotta let you go because I'm over and uh uh I know Simon
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because I'm over and uh uh I know Simon
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because I'm over and uh uh I know Simon probably wants to go to bed or go out
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probably wants to go to bed or go out
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probably wants to go to bed or go out with his friends so um I I I really
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with his friends so um I I I really
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with his friends so um I I I really enjoy you being on the show I hope
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enjoy you being on the show I hope
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enjoy you being on the show I hope everybody out there uh got something
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everybody out there uh got something
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everybody out there uh got something from the show I got something from the
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from the show I got something from the
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from the show I got something from the show I think Balan got something from
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show I think Balan got something from
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show I think Balan got something from the show so uh tell your friends uh find
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the show so uh tell your friends uh find
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the show so uh tell your friends uh find a mentor uh you know uh get yourself out
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a mentor uh you know uh get yourself out
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a mentor uh you know uh get yourself out there and uh and do some freelancing
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there and uh and do some freelancing
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there and uh and do some freelancing right even if you have a full-time job
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right even if you have a full-time job
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right even if you have a full-time job freelancing might be a good because one
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freelancing might be a good because one
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freelancing might be a good because one other thing I was thinking about real
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other thing I was thinking about real
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other thing I was thinking about real quick sorry Simon that you know one of
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quick sorry Simon that you know one of
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quick sorry Simon that you know one of the downsides I've always seen with
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the downsides I've always seen with
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the downsides I've always seen with having a full-time job is that your
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having a full-time job is that your
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having a full-time job is that your learning kind of really slows down after
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learning kind of really slows down after
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learning kind of really slows down after a while right because then you get just
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a while right because then you get just
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a while right because then you get just into maintenance mode and you know
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into maintenance mode and you know
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into maintenance mode and you know you're using that same framework over
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you're using that same framework over
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you're using that same framework over and over again you're not learning new
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and over again you're not learning new
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and over again you're not learning new Frameworks and things like that so uh if
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Frameworks and things like that so uh if
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Frameworks and things like that so uh if you do have a full fulltime job right
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you do have a full fulltime job right
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you do have a full fulltime job right find Opportunities like this to get
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find Opportunities like this to get
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find Opportunities like this to get yourself out of your comfort zone and
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yourself out of your comfort zone and
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yourself out of your comfort zone and learn new things right I did that by
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learn new things right I did that by
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learn new things right I did that by teaching you know I do that by writing
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teaching you know I do that by writing
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teaching you know I do that by writing uh but you can do that by just finding
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uh but you can do that by just finding
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uh but you can do that by just finding freelancer part part-time uh contract
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freelancer part part-time uh contract
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freelancer part part-time uh contract work in things that you know will
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work in things that you know will
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work in things that you know will challenge
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challenge
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challenge you right all right well thank you so
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you right all right well thank you so
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you right all right well thank you so much and I look forward to having you
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much and I look forward to having you
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much and I look forward to having you back on the show again if you have
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back on the show again if you have
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back on the show again if you have something you want to share with us
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something you want to share with us
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something you want to share with us please feel free to get back at me
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please feel free to get back at me
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please feel free to get back at me you're welcome on the show anytime you
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you're welcome on the show anytime you
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you're welcome on the show anytime you want I'll set it up uh you're very
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want I'll set it up uh you're very
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want I'll set it up uh you're very popular Simon says you have almost six
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popular Simon says you have almost six
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popular Simon says you have almost six 16,000 followers on on uh LinkedIn
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16,000 followers on on uh LinkedIn
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16,000 followers on on uh LinkedIn what I thought that was 16 at first
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what I thought that was 16 at first
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what I thought that was 16 at first Simon when you sent that about 160 oh my
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Simon when you sent that about 160 oh my
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Simon when you sent that about 160 oh my gosh uh that's well thank you DAV David
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gosh uh that's well thank you DAV David
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gosh uh that's well thank you DAV David for having me as a guest it's always a
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for having me as a guest it's always a
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for having me as a guest it's always a pleasure to to come on your show and
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pleasure to to come on your show and
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pleasure to to come on your show and talk with you yeah great thank you so
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talk with you yeah great thank you so
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talk with you yeah great thank you so much I always leave uh and end up
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much I always leave uh and end up
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much I always leave uh and end up learning something new so thank you good
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learning something new so thank you good
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learning something new so thank you good good that's that's the whole point of
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good that's that's the whole point of
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good that's that's the whole point of the show
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the show
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the show right great thank you so much and have a
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right great thank you so much and have a
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right great thank you so much and have a great rest of the weekend I'll talk to
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great rest of the weekend I'll talk to
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great rest of the weekend I'll talk to you next time all right goodbye see you
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you next time all right goodbye see you
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you next time all right goodbye see you well I enjoyed that show sorry we're a
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well I enjoyed that show sorry we're a
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well I enjoyed that show sorry we're a little bit over I'll I'll go really
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little bit over I'll I'll go really
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little bit over I'll I'll go really quick I only have a couple more slides
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quick I only have a couple more slides
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quick I only have a couple more slides left but uh I I really like uh Milan and
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left but uh I I really like uh Milan and
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left but uh I I really like uh Milan and uh I can't wait to have him back on the
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uh I can't wait to have him back on the
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uh I can't wait to have him back on the show again uh I really really like
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show again uh I really really like
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show again uh I really really like talking to younger developers and and
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talking to younger developers and and
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talking to younger developers and and and seeing what they're doing
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and seeing what they're doing
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and seeing what they're doing uh out there to learn or their career I
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uh out there to learn or their career I
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uh out there to learn or their career I really enjoy talking to younger
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really enjoy talking to younger
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really enjoy talking to younger developers um so with that uh here's
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developers um so with that uh here's
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developers um so with that uh here's some uh geek humor this is
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some uh geek humor this is
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some uh geek humor this is me debugging you can't figure something
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me debugging you can't figure something
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me debugging you can't figure something out you can't figure something out and
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out you can't figure something out and
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out you can't figure something out and you go on the toilet you figure it out
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you go on the toilet you figure it out
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you go on the toilet you figure it out that's me I don't know how why that is
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that's me I don't know how why that is
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that's me I don't know how why that is but it I can I cannot figure something
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but it I can I cannot figure something
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but it I can I cannot figure something out for hours and as soon as I go to go
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out for hours and as soon as I go to go
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out for hours and as soon as I go to go to the bathroom and come back I figure
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to the bathroom and come back I figure
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to the bathroom and come back I figure it out I don't know what the deal is uh
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it out I don't know what the deal is uh
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it out I don't know what the deal is uh but obviously it's not just me uh cuz
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but obviously it's not just me uh cuz
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but obviously it's not just me uh cuz someone did a did a cartoon on it um as
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someone did a did a cartoon on it um as
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someone did a did a cartoon on it um as always I hope you will help me help the
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always I hope you will help me help the
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always I hope you will help me help the kids from the slums in Delhi India uh uh
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kids from the slums in Delhi India uh uh
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kids from the slums in Delhi India uh uh by donating we're just talking about how
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by donating we're just talking about how
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by donating we're just talking about how cheap software Engineers are uh go
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cheap software Engineers are uh go
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cheap software Engineers are uh go donate whatever you can I don't care if
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donate whatever you can I don't care if
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donate whatever you can I don't care if it's a dollar uh go donate to help this
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it's a dollar uh go donate to help this
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it's a dollar uh go donate to help this worthy worthy organization uh Dave and
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worthy worthy organization uh Dave and
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worthy worthy organization uh Dave and Chandy picture there do a wonderful job
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Chandy picture there do a wonderful job
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Chandy picture there do a wonderful job uh getting these kids out of the slums
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uh getting these kids out of the slums
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uh getting these kids out of the slums and get them fed clothed and train learn
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and get them fed clothed and train learn
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and get them fed clothed and train learn and go to school so uh every penny is
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and go to school so uh every penny is
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and go to school so uh every penny is worth it uh so whatever you can give uh
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worth it uh so whatever you can give uh
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worth it uh so whatever you can give uh I I and they will be uh really really
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I I and they will be uh really really
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I I and they will be uh really really grateful for that it'll make you feel
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grateful for that it'll make you feel
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grateful for that it'll make you feel good
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good
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good too with that I have a really different
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too with that I have a really different
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too with that I have a really different kind of show coming up in two weeks uh
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kind of show coming up in two weeks uh
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kind of show coming up in two weeks uh Rolando I met uh at the uh when I spoke
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Rolando I met uh at the uh when I spoke
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Rolando I met uh at the uh when I spoke at build stuff in in uh Lithuania
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at build stuff in in uh Lithuania
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at build stuff in in uh Lithuania and uh he's actually a
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and uh he's actually a
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and uh he's actually a neuroscientist uh so I'm going to have a
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neuroscientist uh so I'm going to have a
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neuroscientist uh so I'm going to have a neuroscientist on my show uh uh in two
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neuroscientist on my show uh uh in two
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neuroscientist on my show uh uh in two weeks so I hope you come back and and
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weeks so I hope you come back and and
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weeks so I hope you come back and and and and learn and learn about what he's
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and and learn and learn about what he's
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and and learn and learn about what he's going to be talking about I'd like to
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going to be talking about I'd like to
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going to be talking about I'd like to purposely invite different kind of
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purposely invite different kind of
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purposely invite different kind of people on and I had a doctor on uh a
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people on and I had a doctor on uh a
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people on and I had a doctor on uh a month or so ago and now I have a
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month or so ago and now I have a
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month or so ago and now I have a neuroscientist so uh I I'm really
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neuroscientist so uh I I'm really
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neuroscientist so uh I I'm really looking forward to the show especially
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looking forward to the show especially
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looking forward to the show especially because he's a great guy and uh so also
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because he's a great guy and uh so also
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because he's a great guy and uh so also don't forget to go donate blood this
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don't forget to go donate blood this
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don't forget to go donate blood this weekend I'm donating tomorrow I've had
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weekend I'm donating tomorrow I've had
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weekend I'm donating tomorrow I've had 19 gallons of uh blood donated now I'm
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19 gallons of uh blood donated now I'm
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19 gallons of uh blood donated now I'm really proud of that and now they're
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really proud of that and now they're
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really proud of that and now they're shipping my blood all over the state to
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shipping my blood all over the state to
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shipping my blood all over the state to help other people and that makes me feel
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help other people and that makes me feel
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help other people and that makes me feel good so uh go spend 30 minutes of your
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good so uh go spend 30 minutes of your
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good so uh go spend 30 minutes of your time and donate a pint of blood it makes
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time and donate a pint of blood it makes
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