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hello everyone welcome back to another
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hello everyone welcome back to another
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hello everyone welcome back to another episode of the cloud show today we're
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episode of the cloud show today we're
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episode of the cloud show today we're going to have a very interesting
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going to have a very interesting
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going to have a very interesting conversation we're going to talk about
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conversation we're going to talk about
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conversation we're going to talk about the value of having some super experts
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the value of having some super experts
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the value of having some super experts in your company if you have a company
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in your company if you have a company
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in your company if you have a company and you have technical people employed
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and you have technical people employed
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and you have technical people employed why would you as a company leader
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why would you as a company leader
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why would you as a company leader support or try to help and try to to uh
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support or try to help and try to to uh
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support or try to help and try to to uh nurture having Microsoft most valuable
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nurture having Microsoft most valuable
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nurture having Microsoft most valuable Professionals in your company what's in
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Professionals in your company what's in
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Professionals in your company what's in it for you we're going to talk to I
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it for you we're going to talk to I
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it for you we're going to talk to I guess one of the people that would know
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guess one of the people that would know
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guess one of the people that would know this all the best it's a community
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this all the best it's a community
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this all the best it's a community program manager for this specific
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program manager for this specific
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program manager for this specific program and the regional director's
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program and the regional director's
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program and the regional director's program uh she is my community program
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program uh she is my community program
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program uh she is my community program manager um so please welcome to the
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manager um so please welcome to the
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manager um so please welcome to the cloud show Tina stander blon
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cloud show Tina stander blon
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cloud show Tina stander blon [Music]
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hey mag hello Tina welcome to the cloud
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hey mag hello Tina welcome to the cloud
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hey mag hello Tina welcome to the cloud show thank you so much for having me I'm
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show thank you so much for having me I'm
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show thank you so much for having me I'm really honored to be here absolutely
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really honored to be here absolutely
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really honored to be here absolutely it's it is no not at all it's my
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it's it is no not at all it's my
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it's it is no not at all it's my pleasure my pleasure very much uh
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pleasure my pleasure very much uh
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pleasure my pleasure very much uh because there is a there is an important
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because there is a there is an important
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because there is a there is an important conversation that we will have today or
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conversation that we will have today or
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conversation that we will have today or this is a this is a very interesting and
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this is a this is a very interesting and
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this is a this is a very interesting and important conversation but first I I
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important conversation but first I I
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important conversation but first I I would like to uh you know to give you an
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would like to uh you know to give you an
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would like to uh you know to give you an opportunity to introduce yourself we
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opportunity to introduce yourself we
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opportunity to introduce yourself we already know your your job title what do
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already know your your job title what do
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already know your your job title what do you do and and who are you who am I so
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you do and and who are you who am I so
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you do and and who are you who am I so yeah
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yeah
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yeah first of all just a heads up I have like
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first of all just a heads up I have like
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first of all just a heads up I have like really bad allergies today so I'm from
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really bad allergies today so I'm from
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really bad allergies today so I'm from coughing you know why but anyway I am um
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coughing you know why but anyway I am um
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coughing you know why but anyway I am um working for Microsoft I've done so for
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working for Microsoft I've done so for
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working for Microsoft I've done so for over 18 years now and uh in the last 11
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over 18 years now and uh in the last 11
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over 18 years now and uh in the last 11 I think I work with the technical
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I think I work with the technical
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I think I work with the technical communities initially uh the broader MVP
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communities initially uh the broader MVP
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communities initially uh the broader MVP um no sorry the broader um developer and
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um no sorry the broader um developer and
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um no sorry the broader um developer and it professionals community and in the
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it professionals community and in the
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it professionals community and in the eight years um I worked with the mvpn
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eight years um I worked with the mvpn
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eight years um I worked with the mvpn programs uh for the norx and area yeah
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programs uh for the norx and area yeah
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programs uh for the norx and area yeah and that means that there's a lot of
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and that means that there's a lot of
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and that means that there's a lot of MVPs and a lot of regional directors in
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MVPs and a lot of regional directors in
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MVPs and a lot of regional directors in your uh in your sphere in your area that
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your uh in your sphere in your area that
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your uh in your sphere in your area that you uh manage take care of uh and so
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you uh manage take care of uh and so
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you uh manage take care of uh and so forth yes brilliant so uh you work all
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forth yes brilliant so uh you work all
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forth yes brilliant so uh you work all the time with super experts technical
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the time with super experts technical
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the time with super experts technical super experts that's your job ex now
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super experts that's your job ex now
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super experts that's your job ex now that's that's an very interesting um
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that's that's an very interesting um
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that's that's an very interesting um thing to to be discussing because when
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thing to to be discussing because when
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thing to to be discussing because when we have super experts what does that
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we have super experts what does that
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we have super experts what does that even mean what what is like what is an
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even mean what what is like what is an
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even mean what what is like what is an MVP right and then um I think the bigger
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MVP right and then um I think the bigger
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MVP right and then um I think the bigger question is as a as a company leader if
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question is as a as a company leader if
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question is as a as a company leader if if a somebody has a company why would
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if a somebody has a company why would
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if a somebody has a company why would they support having MVPs in their
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they support having MVPs in their
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they support having MVPs in their company because honestly I'm gonna just
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company because honestly I'm gonna just
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company because honestly I'm gonna just put it out there aren't MVPs aren't
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put it out there aren't MVPs aren't
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put it out there aren't MVPs aren't experts kind of expensive right and and
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experts kind of expensive right and and
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experts kind of expensive right and and they they keep running away to to go to
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they they keep running away to to go to
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they they keep running away to to go to conferences and doing other things right
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conferences and doing other things right
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conferences and doing other things right um so more expensive less productive is
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um so more expensive less productive is
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um so more expensive less productive is that true um let's talk about this what
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that true um let's talk about this what
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that true um let's talk about this what is an MVP an MVP is a deep technical
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is an MVP an MVP is a deep technical
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is an MVP an MVP is a deep technical expert within uh Microsoft Technology
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expert within uh Microsoft Technology
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expert within uh Microsoft Technology areas so and very often because it's the
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areas so and very often because it's the
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areas so and very often because it's the real world right it also include other
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real world right it also include other
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real world right it also include other technology areas but we look into the uh
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technology areas but we look into the uh
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technology areas but we look into the uh Microsoft Technology area so that can be
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Microsoft Technology area so that can be
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Microsoft Technology area so that can be everything from developer to
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everything from developer to
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everything from developer to infrastructure and MVPs they spend all
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infrastructure and MVPs they spend all
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infrastructure and MVPs they spend all their free time that they can manage to
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their free time that they can manage to
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their free time that they can manage to to to volunteer for the MVP uh award
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to to volunteer for the MVP uh award
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to to volunteer for the MVP uh award program uh to share their knowledge with
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program uh to share their knowledge with
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program uh to share their knowledge with the broader Community that's what they
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the broader Community that's what they
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the broader Community that's what they do and that's what we care about and
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do and that's what we care about and
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do and that's what we care about and that's why we recognize those
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that's why we recognize those
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that's why we recognize those individuals yeah yeah yeah so these are
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individuals yeah yeah yeah so these are
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individuals yeah yeah yeah so these are people who are Community leaders uh
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people who are Community leaders uh
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people who are Community leaders uh people who write books or or or have a
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people who write books or or or have a
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people who write books or or or have a very important blog or a podcast or
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very important blog or a podcast or
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very important blog or a podcast or things like this that are pushing in the
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things like this that are pushing in the
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things like this that are pushing in the community for for sharing knowledge yeah
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community for for sharing knowledge yeah
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community for for sharing knowledge yeah you would see MVPs everywhere speaking
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you would see MVPs everywhere speaking
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you would see MVPs everywhere speaking at conferences uh host like driving
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at conferences uh host like driving
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at conferences uh host like driving meetups uh contributing to Cod blogging
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meetups uh contributing to Cod blogging
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meetups uh contributing to Cod blogging as you said writing books all that stuff
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as you said writing books all that stuff
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as you said writing books all that stuff that's what you see MVPs do yeah and
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that's what you see MVPs do yeah and
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that's what you see MVPs do yeah and what's the so so Microsoft choose to
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what's the so so Microsoft choose to
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what's the so so Microsoft choose to recognize these individuals um to to
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recognize these individuals um to to
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recognize these individuals um to to become
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become
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become MVPs um and and what's the value of this
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MVPs um and and what's the value of this
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MVPs um and and what's the value of this for Microsoft why do you why do you do
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for Microsoft why do you why do you do
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for Microsoft why do you why do you do that oh that's like you know first of
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that oh that's like you know first of
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that oh that's like you know first of all we obviously want to recognize the
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all we obviously want to recognize the
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all we obviously want to recognize the massive impactful work that's being been
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massive impactful work that's being been
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massive impactful work that's being been done out there in the community secondly
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done out there in the community secondly
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done out there in the community secondly um MVPs are equally as important to
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um MVPs are equally as important to
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um MVPs are equally as important to Microsoft as they are for the broad
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Microsoft as they are for the broad
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Microsoft as they are for the broad Community MVPs work directly with
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Community MVPs work directly with
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Community MVPs work directly with product groups in Microsoft that means
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product groups in Microsoft that means
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product groups in Microsoft that means that they have direct contact through uh
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that they have direct contact through uh
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that they have direct contact through uh distribution lists through uh weekly
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distribution lists through uh weekly
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distribution lists through uh weekly meetings uh to have direct conversations
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meetings uh to have direct conversations
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meetings uh to have direct conversations providing feedback on U current products
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providing feedback on U current products
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providing feedback on U current products and future releases MVPs have access to
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and future releases MVPs have access to
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and future releases MVPs have access to NDA uh information that no one else have
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NDA uh information that no one else have
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NDA uh information that no one else have access to right and that means that we
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access to right and that means that we
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access to right and that means that we MVPs I'm I'm an MVP as we said uh we
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MVPs I'm I'm an MVP as we said uh we
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MVPs I'm I'm an MVP as we said uh we MVPs we get previews we get to know the
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MVPs we get previews we get to know the
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MVPs we get previews we get to know the direction of Microsoft before the public
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direction of Microsoft before the public
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direction of Microsoft before the public knows the same and that and that
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knows the same and that and that
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knows the same and that and that feedback and that you know that response
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feedback and that you know that response
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feedback and that you know that response the product group members and and cvps
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the product group members and and cvps
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the product group members and and cvps at Microsoft get directly from MVPs is a
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at Microsoft get directly from MVPs is a
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at Microsoft get directly from MVPs is a huge value to us it they definitely
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huge value to us it they definitely
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huge value to us it they definitely changes you know future religion of
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changes you know future religion of
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changes you know future religion of products without a doubt that's
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products without a doubt that's
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products without a doubt that's brilliant so there's a there's an
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brilliant so there's a there's an
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brilliant so there's a there's an exchange of value there between the
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exchange of value there between the
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exchange of value there between the individual who is an MVP and the and
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individual who is an MVP and the and
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individual who is an MVP and the and Microsoft who recognizes uh MVPs as in
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Microsoft who recognizes uh MVPs as in
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Microsoft who recognizes uh MVPs as in ranks brilliant and there's an NDA and
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ranks brilliant and there's an NDA and
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ranks brilliant and there's an NDA and and and such involved all right that's
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and and such involved all right that's
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and and such involved all right that's brilliant so um but it is important to
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brilliant so um but it is important to
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brilliant so um but it is important to note that it is not a company that is an
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note that it is not a company that is an
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note that it is not a company that is an MVP it is an individual person who is an
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MVP it is an individual person who is an
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MVP it is an individual person who is an MVP exactly um right and many of these
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MVP exactly um right and many of these
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MVP exactly um right and many of these people many of these MVPs are employees
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people many of these MVPs are employees
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people many of these MVPs are employees in some company somewhere they can't
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in some company somewhere they can't
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in some company somewhere they can't work for Microsoft but they can work for
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work for Microsoft but they can work for
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work for Microsoft but they can work for a partner of Microsoft and often do um
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a partner of Microsoft and often do um
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a partner of Microsoft and often do um so the question then becomes you know
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so the question then becomes you know
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so the question then becomes you know because like I was trying to like be a
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because like I was trying to like be a
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because like I was trying to like be a little bit pointy at the beginning we
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little bit pointy at the beginning we
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little bit pointy at the beginning we have heard there are there are scenarios
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have heard there are there are scenarios
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have heard there are there are scenarios where um there becomes a little bit of a
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where um there becomes a little bit of a
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where um there becomes a little bit of a tug OFW between an an an employee who
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tug OFW between an an an employee who
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tug OFW between an an an employee who who chooses to be an MVP or or you know
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who chooses to be an MVP or or you know
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who chooses to be an MVP or or you know strives to be one and is recognized as
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strives to be one and is recognized as
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strives to be one and is recognized as such and the employer who employs this
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such and the employer who employs this
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such and the employer who employs this person um that it's just a fact and we
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person um that it's just a fact and we
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person um that it's just a fact and we might as well talk about this um because
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might as well talk about this um because
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might as well talk about this um because it's important to understand what is if
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it's important to understand what is if
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it's important to understand what is if we can try to delve into what's the
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we can try to delve into what's the
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we can try to delve into what's the value of uh for an organization to have
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value of uh for an organization to have
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value of uh for an organization to have an MVP person as an employee why would
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an MVP person as an employee why would
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an MVP person as an employee why would they do that yeah I would say first and
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they do that yeah I would say first and
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they do that yeah I would say first and foremost maybe and maybe even more
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foremost maybe and maybe even more
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foremost maybe and maybe even more importantly than anything else as for an
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importantly than anything else as for an
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importantly than anything else as for an employer it is you get you know excited
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employer it is you get you know excited
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employer it is you get you know excited passionate employers who value that that
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passionate employers who value that that
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passionate employers who value that that you they work for a company that
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you they work for a company that
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you they work for a company that appreciate the value they bring to the
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appreciate the value they bring to the
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appreciate the value they bring to the broader community and for all employers
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broader community and for all employers
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broader community and for all employers across our business you know getting the
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across our business you know getting the
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across our business you know getting the right people is really tricky right uh
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right people is really tricky right uh
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right people is really tricky right uh we do not have enough developers uh
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we do not have enough developers uh
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we do not have enough developers uh Cloud people who can you can you know
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Cloud people who can you can you know
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Cloud people who can you can you know cover all the position that's needed
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cover all the position that's needed
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cover all the position that's needed people on security that is a challenge
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people on security that is a challenge
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people on security that is a challenge every single day for all companies out
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every single day for all companies out
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every single day for all companies out there so first they they get people who
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there so first they they get people who
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there so first they they get people who are super passionate about technology
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are super passionate about technology
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are super passionate about technology continue to working from them so that's
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continue to working from them so that's
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continue to working from them so that's I would say that's one of the core
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I would say that's one of the core
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I would say that's one of the core values I as an employer would value a
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values I as an employer would value a
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values I as an employer would value a lot because you keep people instead of
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lot because you keep people instead of
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lot because you keep people instead of that whole transition of getting new
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that whole transition of getting new
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that whole transition of getting new people in and all that um that hassle
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people in and all that um that hassle
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people in and all that um that hassle that involves uh moving people in and
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that involves uh moving people in and
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that involves uh moving people in and out of your company and secondly because
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out of your company and secondly because
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out of your company and secondly because of that drive MVPs have which is unlike
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of that drive MVPs have which is unlike
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of that drive MVPs have which is unlike anything I ever seen in my entire career
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anything I ever seen in my entire career
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anything I ever seen in my entire career that is driven by pure passion they
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that is driven by pure passion they
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that is driven by pure passion they spent you know this right because as you
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spent you know this right because as you
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spent you know this right because as you said you're an MVP and an AI as well uh
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said you're an MVP and an AI as well uh
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said you're an MVP and an AI as well uh you spent so much time uh diving into
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you spent so much time uh diving into
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you spent so much time uh diving into new technology
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new technology
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new technology areas getting into the n-r details you
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areas getting into the n-r details you
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areas getting into the n-r details you know feeding back to Microsoft getting
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know feeding back to Microsoft getting
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know feeding back to Microsoft getting insights and even if the insights from
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insights and even if the insights from
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insights and even if the insights from Microsoft cannot be shared the the the
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Microsoft cannot be shared the the the
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Microsoft cannot be shared the the the overall Knowledge from the employers
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overall Knowledge from the employers
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overall Knowledge from the employers sorry employees who work at any company
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sorry employees who work at any company
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sorry employees who work at any company Microsoft partner any Corporation um is
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Microsoft partner any Corporation um is
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Microsoft partner any Corporation um is so different from you know any other in
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so different from you know any other in
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so different from you know any other in the in the company so they get super
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the in the company so they get super
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the in the company so they get super critical on technology they can
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critical on technology they can
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critical on technology they can definitely um bring value uh to the
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definitely um bring value uh to the
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definitely um bring value uh to the company even even if they cannot share
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company even even if they cannot share
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company even even if they cannot share it but they have insights and and
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it but they have insights and and
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it but they have insights and and obviously they will be much more happy
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obviously they will be much more happy
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obviously they will be much more happy and passionate about working for that
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and passionate about working for that
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and passionate about working for that company if they can manage to workload
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company if they can manage to workload
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company if they can manage to workload balance their community activities as
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balance their community activities as
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balance their community activities as well and then thirdly being an MVP is a
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well and then thirdly being an MVP is a
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well and then thirdly being an MVP is a really strong brand right you know as an
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really strong brand right you know as an
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really strong brand right you know as an MVP This is highly recognized it's the
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MVP This is highly recognized it's the
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MVP This is highly recognized it's the longest existing Community program that
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longest existing Community program that
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longest existing Community program that exists in Tech um it is a go you know a
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exists in Tech um it is a go you know a
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exists in Tech um it is a go you know a a leading star of many of the technology
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a leading star of many of the technology
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a leading star of many of the technology uh Community program out there even if
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uh Community program out there even if
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uh Community program out there even if there exist a bunch of them and they're
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there exist a bunch of them and they're
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there exist a bunch of them and they're all great you know MVP has a special
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all great you know MVP has a special
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all great you know MVP has a special meaning in in Tech so you know when you
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meaning in in Tech so you know when you
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meaning in in Tech so you know when you go as an MVP and you speak at a
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go as an MVP and you speak at a
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go as an MVP and you speak at a conference that might be a Community
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conference that might be a Community
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conference that might be a Community Conference you will represent yourself
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Conference you will represent yourself
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Conference you will represent yourself as an MVP but all the conversations you
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as an MVP but all the conversations you
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as an MVP but all the conversations you have even if it's like as the experts
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have even if it's like as the experts
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have even if it's like as the experts things like that where you share your
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things like that where you share your
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things like that where you share your knowledge you are obviously also
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knowledge you are obviously also
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knowledge you are obviously also representing the company that you know
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representing the company that you know
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representing the company that you know that you work for so you as a company
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that you work for so you as a company
9:29
that you work for so you as a company benefit from leveraging
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benefit from leveraging
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benefit from leveraging MVPs because they hold such extremely
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MVPs because they hold such extremely
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MVPs because they hold such extremely strong credibility in the community with
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strong credibility in the community with
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strong credibility in the community with customers and the broader population of
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customers and the broader population of
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customers and the broader population of developers and and Cloud people out
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developers and and Cloud people out
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developers and and Cloud people out there so I would say that's that's three
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there so I would say that's that's three
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there so I would say that's that's three things you get from from being an
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things you get from from being an
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things you get from from being an employer with MVPs in your company
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employer with MVPs in your company
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employer with MVPs in your company absolutely right yeah no I I couldn't
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absolutely right yeah no I I couldn't
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absolutely right yeah no I I couldn't agree more and and U I have been
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agree more and and U I have been
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agree more and and U I have been employed so I work in my own company
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employed so I work in my own company
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employed so I work in my own company right now I'm I'm self-employed which is
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right now I'm I'm self-employed which is
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right now I'm I'm self-employed which is a a lovely way of of saying I'm
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a a lovely way of of saying I'm
9:59
a a lovely way of of saying I'm unemployed between
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unemployed between
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unemployed between G not really no no I work for my own
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G not really no no I work for my own
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G not really no no I work for my own company um and so I don't have a manager
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company um and so I don't have a manager
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company um and so I don't have a manager actually my manager is me um but he's
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actually my manager is me um but he's
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actually my manager is me um but he's he's a good
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he's a good
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he's a good guy but but having having that said I
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guy but but having having that said I
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guy but but having having that said I mean it's it is um when you're employed
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mean it's it is um when you're employed
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mean it's it is um when you're employed as as an expert as a driving uh person
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as as an expert as a driving uh person
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as as an expert as a driving uh person who as an as in person who is driven who
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who as an as in person who is driven who
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who as an as in person who is driven who is who who is curious about new
10:27
is who who is curious about new
10:27
is who who is curious about new technology what I have often seen as
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technology what I have often seen as
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technology what I have often seen as well uh MVP's uh take as a position in a
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well uh MVP's uh take as a position in a
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well uh MVP's uh take as a position in a company is to be part of the um internal
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company is to be part of the um internal
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company is to be part of the um internal as well um you know uh education of
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as well um you know uh education of
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as well um you know uh education of internal uh you know strengthening of
10:42
internal uh you know strengthening of
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internal uh you know strengthening of skills uh inside of an organization yeah
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skills uh inside of an organization yeah
10:46
skills uh inside of an organization yeah and you're absolutely right a valid
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and you're absolutely right a valid
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and you're absolutely right a valid point too very often we see and I want
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point too very often we see and I want
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point too very often we see and I want to stress this this is really important
10:52
to stress this this is really important
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to stress this this is really important because when an MVP is up for reward we
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because when an MVP is up for reward we
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because when an MVP is up for reward we look at that contributions and actually
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look at that contributions and actually
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look at that contributions and actually stuff that's done internally is not
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stuff that's done internally is not
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stuff that's done internally is not something that we really um counter into
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something that we really um counter into
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something that we really um counter into what is you know the criteria but again
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what is you know the criteria but again
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what is you know the criteria but again that's just not one of the other things
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that's just not one of the other things
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that's just not one of the other things that MVPs do they do stuff beyond the
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that MVPs do they do stuff beyond the
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that MVPs do they do stuff beyond the stuff that actually makes them rewarded
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stuff that actually makes them rewarded
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stuff that actually makes them rewarded and contributing internally to Skilling
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and contributing internally to Skilling
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and contributing internally to Skilling up your your peers is not something they
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up your your peers is not something they
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up your your peers is not something they get rewarded for from being an MVP H but
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get rewarded for from being an MVP H but
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get rewarded for from being an MVP H but hopefully that will be acknowledged from
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hopefully that will be acknowledged from
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hopefully that will be acknowledged from their employer right that is super
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their employer right that is super
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their employer right that is super helpful and again it's a deeply deeply
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helpful and again it's a deeply deeply
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helpful and again it's a deeply deeply skilled person that takes this on
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skilled person that takes this on
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skilled person that takes this on themselves to you know help their peers
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themselves to you know help their peers
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themselves to you know help their peers get more into um the latest Technologies
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get more into um the latest Technologies
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get more into um the latest Technologies and and make them even better and grow
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and and make them even better and grow
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and and make them even better and grow as a team as well so it's a it's a huge
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as a team as well so it's a it's a huge
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as a team as well so it's a it's a huge benefit internally as well yes
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benefit internally as well yes
11:42
benefit internally as well yes definitely it is so um what should we um
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definitely it is so um what should we um
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definitely it is so um what should we um can we venture into having any any sort
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can we venture into having any any sort
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can we venture into having any any sort of recommendations for how to how to
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of recommendations for how to how to
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of recommendations for how to how to have the conversation with uh between
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have the conversation with uh between
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have the conversation with uh between the employer and and I mean the mileage
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the employer and and I mean the mileage
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the employer and and I mean the mileage will vary for every company obviously
11:59
will vary for every company obviously
11:59
will vary for every company obviously yeah but but how do you how do you talk
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yeah but but how do you how do you talk
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yeah but but how do you how do you talk about this because like you said an MVP
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about this because like you said an MVP
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about this because like you said an MVP spends um a good deal of time um of that
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spends um a good deal of time um of that
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spends um a good deal of time um of that you know everyone has seven times 24
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you know everyone has seven times 24
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you know everyone has seven times 24 hours right um but spends a good deal of
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hours right um but spends a good deal of
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hours right um but spends a good deal of time learning about new technology and
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time learning about new technology and
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time learning about new technology and being out there in the community um and
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being out there in the community um and
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being out there in the community um and as an employer you can say well you do
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as an employer you can say well you do
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as an employer you can say well you do that on your own time entirely right
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that on your own time entirely right
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that on your own time entirely right that has not I mean you still deliver a
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that has not I mean you still deliver a
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that has not I mean you still deliver a full-time you know job here at our
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full-time you know job here at our
12:26
full-time you know job here at our company if you want to be an MVP that's
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company if you want to be an MVP that's
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company if you want to be an MVP that's on you
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on you
12:29
on you um but you know it doesn't seem really
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um but you know it doesn't seem really
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um but you know it doesn't seem really fair because of the benefits that we
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fair because of the benefits that we
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fair because of the benefits that we have listed so how do you um how do you
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have listed so how do you um how do you
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have listed so how do you um how do you propose we have a conversation between
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propose we have a conversation between
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propose we have a conversation between employee who is an MVP or wants to
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employee who is an MVP or wants to
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employee who is an MVP or wants to become one uh and maybe that maybe needs
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become one uh and maybe that maybe needs
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become one uh and maybe that maybe needs you know some backing and support of
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you know some backing and support of
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you know some backing and support of their employer and the employer who
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their employer and the employer who
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their employer and the employer who wants to have some benefit from every
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wants to have some benefit from every
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wants to have some benefit from every investment that they make right what
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investment that they make right what
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investment that they make right what what should we do I think well it's a
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what should we do I think well it's a
12:54
what should we do I think well it's a really good question and a t is it I
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really good question and a t is it I
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really good question and a t is it I know and I'm not surprised coming from
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know and I'm not surprised coming from
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know and I'm not surprised coming from you that it's a tough question
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you that it's a tough question
13:00
you that it's a tough question um uh I would say you know it is it's
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um uh I would say you know it is it's
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um uh I would say you know it is it's one of those
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one of those
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one of those um struggle that exist right you know
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um struggle that exist right you know
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um struggle that exist right you know it's either you get community or you do
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it's either you get community or you do
13:13
it's either you get community or you do not get community right and if you
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not get community right and if you
13:16
not get community right and if you understand or you don't understand right
13:18
understand or you don't understand right
13:18
understand or you don't understand right exactly and it's like you know it's it
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exactly and it's like you know it's it
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exactly and it's like you know it's it makes it really tricky to position it
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makes it really tricky to position it
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makes it really tricky to position it better because I can also I do
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better because I can also I do
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better because I can also I do understand if you're an employer you
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understand if you're an employer you
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understand if you're an employer you have an MVP who's a consultant who do
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have an MVP who's a consultant who do
13:29
have an MVP who's a consultant who do billable hours and if they want to do
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billable hours and if they want to do
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billable hours and if they want to do you know conferences time right you know
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you know conferences time right you know
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you know conferences time right you know that makes it tricky right and I have
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that makes it tricky right and I have
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that makes it tricky right and I have seen like basically all constellations
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seen like basically all constellations
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seen like basically all constellations in the eight years have been with the
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in the eight years have been with the
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in the eight years have been with the program some people even if really
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program some people even if really
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program some people even if really strong MVPs work for a company where
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strong MVPs work for a company where
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strong MVPs work for a company where they spend their own you know take time
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they spend their own you know take time
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they spend their own you know take time off to go do community stuff they pay
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off to go do community stuff they pay
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off to go do community stuff they pay you know whatever they need to go to
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you know whatever they need to go to
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you know whatever they need to go to travel to a conference and then people
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travel to a conference and then people
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travel to a conference and then people who really factors in the um the passion
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who really factors in the um the passion
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who really factors in the um the passion and Crea ity of MVPs and actually cater
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and Crea ity of MVPs and actually cater
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and Crea ity of MVPs and actually cater for like maybe do like Friday mornings
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for like maybe do like Friday mornings
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for like maybe do like Friday mornings our meetings off and they can focus on
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our meetings off and they can focus on
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our meetings off and they can focus on writing a blog post whatever so there's
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writing a blog post whatever so there's
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writing a blog post whatever so there's like there's a whole like huge variety
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like there's a whole like huge variety
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like there's a whole like huge variety on how you can actually you know you
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on how you can actually you know you
14:13
on how you can actually you know you know um take care of your MVPs but I
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know um take care of your MVPs but I
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know um take care of your MVPs but I would
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would
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would say um to be very tough if you do not if
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say um to be very tough if you do not if
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say um to be very tough if you do not if you have a very passionate really driven
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you have a very passionate really driven
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you have a very passionate really driven amazingly good MVP working for you and
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amazingly good MVP working for you and
14:27
amazingly good MVP working for you and you are absolutely in flexible as an
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you are absolutely in flexible as an
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you are absolutely in flexible as an employer what will eventually happen and
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employer what will eventually happen and
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employer what will eventually happen and I've seen this many times is that this
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I've seen this many times is that this
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I've seen this many times is that this person will go to a different job
14:37
person will go to a different job
14:37
person will go to a different job because there's always someone out there
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because there's always someone out there
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because there's always someone out there who will give that person a job right
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who will give that person a job right
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who will give that person a job right that we have more jobs than we have
14:43
that we have more jobs than we have
14:43
that we have more jobs than we have people right so there's always and we
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people right so there's always and we
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people right so there's always and we see more and more you know Microsoft
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see more and more you know Microsoft
14:48
see more and more you know Microsoft Partners but also other companies who
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Partners but also other companies who
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Partners but also other companies who really value that uh value that um or
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really value that uh value that um or
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really value that uh value that um or appreciate the value that MVPs bring to
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appreciate the value that MVPs bring to
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appreciate the value that MVPs bring to them as a brand for their company
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them as a brand for their company
14:57
them as a brand for their company because the thing is if you truly
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because the thing is if you truly
14:59
because the thing is if you truly believe what MVPs um you know truly
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believe what MVPs um you know truly
15:02
believe what MVPs um you know truly believe the the impact of
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believe the the impact of
15:04
believe the the impact of MVPs some companies actually are working
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MVPs some companies actually are working
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MVPs some companies actually are working I see a shift now some companies is
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I see a shift now some companies is
15:10
I see a shift now some companies is actually Keen to get more MVPs in
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actually Keen to get more MVPs in
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actually Keen to get more MVPs in because that kind of like you know
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because that kind of like you know
15:15
because that kind of like you know credibility you know labels their their
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credibility you know labels their their
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credibility you know labels their their Consultants or their Architects or
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Consultants or their Architects or
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Consultants or their Architects or whatever they have so I see a shift but
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whatever they have so I see a shift but
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whatever they have so I see a shift but you know the conversation around you
15:25
you know the conversation around you
15:25
you know the conversation around you know um uh you know uh I bring this when
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know um uh you know uh I bring this when
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know um uh you know uh I bring this when I go out and speak at a conference or I
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I go out and speak at a conference or I
15:31
I go out and speak at a conference or I join a meet up in the evening in my
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join a meet up in the evening in my
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join a meet up in the evening in my spare time I I also represent you even
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spare time I I also represent you even
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spare time I I also represent you even if my MVP award is my personal one and I
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if my MVP award is my personal one and I
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if my MVP award is my personal one and I achieved it right I think that's the
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achieved it right I think that's the
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achieved it right I think that's the conversation that's not like a a whole
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conversation that's not like a a whole
15:43
conversation that's not like a a whole FAQ we can kind of it's not easy it's
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FAQ we can kind of it's not easy it's
15:46
FAQ we can kind of it's not easy it's it's this is a difficult conversation
15:47
it's this is a difficult conversation
15:48
it's this is a difficult conversation it's a difficult topic and that's why I
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it's a difficult topic and that's why I
15:50
it's a difficult topic and that's why I I I think that it's it's a it's a valid
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I I think that it's it's a it's a valid
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I I think that it's it's a it's a valid one to to talk a little bit about um I
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one to to talk a little bit about um I
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one to to talk a little bit about um I think the the CH One Challenge is right
15:57
think the the CH One Challenge is right
15:57
think the the CH One Challenge is right for for every for every employee you can
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for for every for every employee you can
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for for every for every employee you can count the the cost in terms of salary
16:03
count the the cost in terms of salary
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count the the cost in terms of salary and and expenses how expensive is this
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and and expenses how expensive is this
16:06
and and expenses how expensive is this person to have employed and then you can
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person to have employed and then you can
16:09
person to have employed and then you can count how many hour if they're
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count how many hour if they're
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count how many hour if they're Consulting for example how many hours
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Consulting for example how many hours
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Consulting for example how many hours have this person been billing what's the
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have this person been billing what's the
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have this person been billing what's the what's the billing rate of this person
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what's the billing rate of this person
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what's the billing rate of this person how much am I making on this employee um
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how much am I making on this employee um
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how much am I making on this employee um and that those are the the hard numbers
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and that those are the the hard numbers
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and that those are the the hard numbers and there're you're often quite quite
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and there're you're often quite quite
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and there're you're often quite quite easy to calculate yeah and the flip side
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easy to calculate yeah and the flip side
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easy to calculate yeah and the flip side is the soft values uh knowledge and
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is the soft values uh knowledge and
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is the soft values uh knowledge and knowled and and branding and things like
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knowled and and branding and things like
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knowled and and branding and things like that which MVPs are quite good at or
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that which MVPs are quite good at or
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that which MVPs are quite good at or many are are really good at that's soft
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many are are really good at that's soft
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many are are really good at that's soft values and it doesn't it's not it
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values and it doesn't it's not it
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values and it doesn't it's not it doesn't count the same it's not easy to
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doesn't count the same it's not easy to
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doesn't count the same it's not easy to to measure the value and the size and
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to measure the value and the size and
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to measure the value and the size and the the impact of that no but you know
16:46
the the impact of that no but you know
16:46
the the impact of that no but you know another thing that what I often hear
16:48
another thing that what I often hear
16:48
another thing that what I often hear from MVPs also that H they they are they
16:52
from MVPs also that H they they are they
16:52
from MVPs also that H they they are they were obviously really good at their job
16:54
were obviously really good at their job
16:54
were obviously really good at their job before they became MVPs but what they
16:56
before they became MVPs but what they
16:56
before they became MVPs but what they see now is a shift so maybe they get the
16:59
see now is a shift so maybe they get the
16:59
see now is a shift so maybe they get the more you know the more challenging
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more you know the more challenging
17:01
more you know the more challenging customers with more you know things that
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customers with more you know things that
17:03
customers with more you know things that needs to be tied together the more the
17:06
needs to be tied together the more the
17:06
needs to be tied together the more the bigger cases and the company feel more
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bigger cases and the company feel more
17:10
bigger cases and the company feel more at ease putting an MVP into that
17:12
at ease putting an MVP into that
17:12
at ease putting an MVP into that conversation with those challenging
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conversation with those challenging
17:14
conversation with those challenging customers than they would have done
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customers than they would have done
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customers than they would have done before this is also an added value I
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before this is also an added value I
17:18
before this is also an added value I have no insights into whether that
17:20
have no insights into whether that
17:20
have no insights into whether that actually means you know more money on
17:22
actually means you know more money on
17:22
actually means you know more money on per billable hour I would assume but I'm
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per billable hour I would assume but I'm
17:24
per billable hour I would assume but I'm not sure but that is yeah but but I can
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not sure but that is yeah but but I can
17:27
not sure but that is yeah but but I can I can give you a little bit of insight
17:28
I can give you a little bit of insight
17:29
I can give you a little bit of insight there because I've done this uh on
17:30
there because I've done this uh on
17:30
there because I've done this uh on occasion it doesn't always apply and
17:32
occasion it doesn't always apply and
17:32
occasion it doesn't always apply and it's not always the case that you can
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it's not always the case that you can
17:35
it's not always the case that you can get um a good answer but as an MVP uh
17:39
get um a good answer but as an MVP uh
17:39
get um a good answer but as an MVP uh what you can bring to the table with
17:41
what you can bring to the table with
17:41
what you can bring to the table with every customer interaction and every
17:43
every customer interaction and every
17:43
every customer interaction and every every scenario if there is a tricky
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every scenario if there is a tricky
17:46
every scenario if there is a tricky problem a a a strange question or
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problem a a a strange question or
17:49
problem a a a strange question or something that is not working as it
17:50
something that is not working as it
17:50
something that is not working as it should uh the MVP have the power to uh
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should uh the MVP have the power to uh
17:54
should uh the MVP have the power to uh give that feedback directly to Microsoft
17:56
give that feedback directly to Microsoft
17:56
give that feedback directly to Microsoft they don't go through this the normal
17:57
they don't go through this the normal
17:57
they don't go through this the normal support channels they can even by virtue
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support channels they can even by virtue
18:00
support channels they can even by virtue of having a network of people that they
18:02
of having a network of people that they
18:02
of having a network of people that they know inside of Microsoft they can reach
18:03
know inside of Microsoft they can reach
18:03
know inside of Microsoft they can reach out to a specific individual and say hey
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out to a specific individual and say hey
18:06
out to a specific individual and say hey I know you we talked at the at the last
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I know you we talked at the at the last
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I know you we talked at the at the last MVP Summit um we have this customer
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MVP Summit um we have this customer
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MVP Summit um we have this customer problem so and so and they can you know
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problem so and so and they can you know
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problem so and so and they can you know sometimes an MVP can get a direct
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sometimes an MVP can get a direct
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sometimes an MVP can get a direct help and and and yeah that is like that
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help and and and yeah that is like that
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help and and and yeah that is like that is you know in itself invaluable you
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is you know in itself invaluable you
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is you know in itself invaluable you cannot on it right but I think for some
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cannot on it right but I think for some
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cannot on it right but I think for some employers they actually need to see this
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employers they actually need to see this
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employers they actually need to see this happen before they really think this is
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happen before they really think this is
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happen before they really think this is how it works but all of us who do this
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how it works but all of us who do this
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how it works but all of us who do this on a daily basis we know this is how it
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on a daily basis we know this is how it
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on a daily basis we know this is how it works right we know that when MVPs knock
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works right we know that when MVPs knock
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works right we know that when MVPs knock the door on a product group door like
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the door on a product group door like
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the door on a product group door like they they will answer and they will
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they they will answer and they will
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they they will answer and they will respond and that's that's the the very
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respond and that's that's the the very
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respond and that's that's the the very unique nature of being an MVP but I do
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unique nature of being an MVP but I do
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unique nature of being an MVP but I do think even for us who works with this
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think even for us who works with this
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think even for us who works with this you know daily and and understand it
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you know daily and and understand it
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you know daily and and understand it from inside I still think even if we
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from inside I still think even if we
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from inside I still think even if we talk about MVPs being a really strong
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talk about MVPs being a really strong
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talk about MVPs being a really strong brand I think some of these like more so
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brand I think some of these like more so
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brand I think some of these like more so what can they do and how can they how do
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what can they do and how can they how do
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what can they do and how can they how do they really engage is still a bit of a
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they really engage is still a bit of a
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they really engage is still a bit of a black box so I think that's also for the
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black box so I think that's also for the
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black box so I think that's also for the MVP to talk about you know um you know
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MVP to talk about you know um you know
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MVP to talk about you know um you know how can I influence what what what
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how can I influence what what what
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how can I influence what what what connections do I have you know mention
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connections do I have you know mention
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connections do I have you know mention some of the people that you connect with
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some of the people that you connect with
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some of the people that you connect with and most people will be mind blown by
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and most people will be mind blown by
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and most people will be mind blown by the your conversations with as an MVP
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the your conversations with as an MVP
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the your conversations with as an MVP right so there's a lot of power there
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right so there's a lot of power there
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right so there's a lot of power there yeah there is absolutely well Tina this
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yeah there is absolutely well Tina this
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yeah there is absolutely well Tina this conversation has been brilliant uh I I'm
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conversation has been brilliant uh I I'm
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conversation has been brilliant uh I I'm so happy that we had a time to cover
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so happy that we had a time to cover
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so happy that we had a time to cover this and we will be sure to put out all
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this and we will be sure to put out all
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this and we will be sure to put out all the links for for people to to uh
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the links for for people to to uh
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the links for for people to to uh understand what the value is and and try
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understand what the value is and and try
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understand what the value is and and try to understand what conversation to have
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to understand what conversation to have
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to understand what conversation to have with the experts that you may or may not
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with the experts that you may or may not
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with the experts that you may or may not be able to employ and and keep in your
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be able to employ and and keep in your
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be able to employ and and keep in your company abely thank you thank you for
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company abely thank you thank you for
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company abely thank you thank you for coming on the cloud show Tina I really
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coming on the cloud show Tina I really
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coming on the cloud show Tina I really appreciate it thank you so much for
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appreciate it thank you so much for
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appreciate it thank you so much for having me I really appreciate it thank
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having me I really appreciate it thank
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having me I really appreciate it thank you and audience see you next time on
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you and audience see you next time on
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