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Aug 6, 2025
Join this live session with Magnus Mårtensson ft. John Joyner for the next episode of The Cloud Show with Magnus Mårtensson on February 12, at 01:05 PM (EST). The show is about cloud leadership and all the important questions relating to cloud projects. Certainly, many matters when a company is going to and wants to be successful in the cloud, are about technology. However, there are many additional matters, adjacent to technology, that we also need to tend to regarding business strategy, human resources, organizational change, planning for a technical cloud approach, and many more questions. These conversations are critical for a healthy cloud and for a swift and accurate cloud approach. GUEST SPEAKER John Joyner, Inventor, author, speaker, and professor on data center and enterprise cloud computing topics. Employed as Senior Director, Technology at AccountabilIT, a customer-driven IT services company (formerly ClearPointe). Delivering next-generation technology management services to customers around the world. A cloud architect that helps businesses stay competitive. A Microsoft Azure MVP and Security MVP, awarded seventeen times (2007-2025) as a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP). MVPs make up a global community of about 3,000 technical experts and across 90 countries who share a passion for technology, a willingness to help others, and a commitment to community. 📺 CSharp TV - Dev Streaming Destination http://csharp.tv 🌎 C# Corner - Community of Software and Data Developers https://www.c-sharpcorner.com #CSharpTV #csharpcorner #TheCloudShow #CSharp #Interview
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hello hello and welcome to another
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hello hello and welcome to another
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hello hello and welcome to another episode of the cloud show today I'm
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episode of the cloud show today I'm
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episode of the cloud show today I'm going to talk about one of my favorite
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going to talk about one of my favorite
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going to talk about one of my favorite topics in the world monitoring that's
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topics in the world monitoring that's
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topics in the world monitoring that's strange how you can have that as
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strange how you can have that as
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strange how you can have that as favorite topic but yeah well here we are
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favorite topic but yeah well here we are
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favorite topic but yeah well here we are we have a person who is really good at
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we have a person who is really good at
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we have a person who is really good at this stuff we're going to be talking
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this stuff we're going to be talking
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this stuff we're going to be talking about how to use Azure monitor at scale
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about how to use Azure monitor at scale
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about how to use Azure monitor at scale for like this more like a general
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for like this more like a general
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for like this more like a general purpose server monitoring tool so you
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purpose server monitoring tool so you
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purpose server monitoring tool so you can for example replace scum or similar
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can for example replace scum or similar
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can for example replace scum or similar other tools um the person we're going to
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other tools um the person we're going to
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other tools um the person we're going to talk about uh all of this with is a uh a
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talk about uh all of this with is a uh a
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talk about uh all of this with is a uh a person who is well vered in this area
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person who is well vered in this area
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person who is well vered in this area he's an a MVP security MVP he's been in
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he's an a MVP security MVP he's been in
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he's an a MVP security MVP he's been in MVP for a long time like he's really
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MVP for a long time like he's really
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MVP for a long time like he's really really into all of this Tech stuff um
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really into all of this Tech stuff um
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really into all of this Tech stuff um and many other things about him as well
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and many other things about him as well
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and many other things about him as well we're going to let him give a short
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we're going to let him give a short
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we're going to let him give a short intro of himself but let's talk now
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intro of himself but let's talk now
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intro of himself but let's talk now about Azure monitor with John Joiner
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about Azure monitor with John Joiner
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about Azure monitor with John Joiner [Music]
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hello John hi Magnus welcome to the
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hello John hi Magnus welcome to the
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hello John hi Magnus welcome to the cloud show it is great to be here thank
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cloud show it is great to be here thank
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cloud show it is great to be here thank you so much it's a pleasure to have you
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you so much it's a pleasure to have you
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you so much it's a pleasure to have you absolutely like I said before um in the
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absolutely like I said before um in the
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absolutely like I said before um in the intro there if you heard it that um
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intro there if you heard it that um
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intro there if you heard it that um Azure monitor is a favorite tool of mine
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Azure monitor is a favorite tool of mine
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Azure monitor is a favorite tool of mine so this is going to be
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so this is going to be
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so this is going to be fun but first let's let's dig into it
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fun but first let's let's dig into it
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fun but first let's let's dig into it man a little bit about you there there's
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man a little bit about you there there's
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man a little bit about you there there's so much uh lovely information you sent
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so much uh lovely information you sent
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so much uh lovely information you sent me here how do you say the company that
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me here how do you say the company that
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me here how do you say the company that you work for account accountability
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you work for account accountability
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you work for account accountability accountability at the end very smart
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accountability at the end very smart
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accountability at the end very smart link yeah yep so you're a you're a
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link yeah yep so you're a you're a
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link yeah yep so you're a you're a senior director there um Tech person and
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senior director there um Tech person and
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senior director there um Tech person and you work at this this this company and
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you work at this this this company and
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you work at this this this company and uh what is that you guys do yeah we're a
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uh what is that you guys do yeah we're a
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uh what is that you guys do yeah we're a service providers so we have uh uh uh
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service providers so we have uh uh uh
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service providers so we have uh uh uh our primary primary lead business is our
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our primary primary lead business is our
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our primary primary lead business is our sock we're in mssp
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sock we're in mssp
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sock we're in mssp uh with with many many customers around
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uh with with many many customers around
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uh with with many many customers around the world that we manage through Azure
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the world that we manage through Azure
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the world that we manage through Azure Lighthouse and our and our so so we're a
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Lighthouse and our and our so so we're a
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Lighthouse and our and our so so we're a cyber security mssp we have all the
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cyber security mssp we have all the
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cyber security mssp we have all the Microsoft specializations and uh we love
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Microsoft specializations and uh we love
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Microsoft specializations and uh we love that and then what we're going to talk
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that and then what we're going to talk
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that and then what we're going to talk about today we also are an MSP right and
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about today we also are an MSP right and
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about today we also are an MSP right and we've been in we've been in MSP for 24
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we've been in we've been in MSP for 24
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we've been in we've been in MSP for 24 years solution so we've been using two
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years solution so we've been using two
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years solution so we've been using two all kinds of different tools and guess
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all kinds of different tools and guess
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all kinds of different tools and guess what you know we're using Azure monitor
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what you know we're using Azure monitor
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what you know we're using Azure monitor Azure tools now so you know we we so we
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Azure tools now so you know we we so we
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Azure tools now so you know we we so we have our mssp business and we have our
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have our mssp business and we have our
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have our mssp business and we have our SP business right we're about we're
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SP business right we're about we're
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SP business right we're about we're about 200 uh 200 200 250 people and uh
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about 200 uh 200 200 250 people and uh
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about 200 uh 200 200 250 people and uh yeah Rider thank you all right cool cool
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yeah Rider thank you all right cool cool
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yeah Rider thank you all right cool cool and so other than that what what else do
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and so other than that what what else do
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and so other than that what what else do you get what else do you do uh outside
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you get what else do you do uh outside
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you get what else do you do uh outside of work you're were a professor at
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of work you're were a professor at
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of work you're were a professor at teaching Cloud Compu I teach I teach a
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teaching Cloud Compu I teach I teach a
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teaching Cloud Compu I teach I teach a class at the local University as a pro
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class at the local University as a pro
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class at the local University as a pro bono as an MVP thing actually I've done
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bono as an MVP thing actually I've done
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bono as an MVP thing actually I've done it for like 15 years 17 years we do it
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it for like 15 years 17 years we do it
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it for like 15 years 17 years we do it every other year and uh you know 17
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every other year and uh you know 17
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every other year and uh you know 17 years ago uh we the the course centered
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years ago uh we the the course centered
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years ago uh we the the course centered of course it was 100% on servers and
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of course it was 100% on servers and
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of course it was 100% on servers and infrastructure because that's all we had
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infrastructure because that's all we had
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infrastructure because that's all we had right and every two years I update the
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right and every two years I update the
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right and every two years I update the topic uh and now you can guess the topic
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topic uh and now you can guess the topic
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topic uh and now you can guess the topic is 100% Azure you know uh it's a it's a
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is 100% Azure you know uh it's a it's a
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is 100% Azure you know uh it's a it's a uh I can guess yes so so that I teach
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uh I can guess yes so so that I teach
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uh I can guess yes so so that I teach that yeah I do at the University and uh
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that yeah I do at the University and uh
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that yeah I do at the University and uh I love living in Arkansas Arkansas is
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I love living in Arkansas Arkansas is
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I love living in Arkansas Arkansas is that we our motto is the natural state
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that we our motto is the natural state
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that we our motto is the natural state we're very full of woods and and uh I
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we're very full of woods and and uh I
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we're very full of woods and and uh I can see some wood there in your window
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can see some wood there in your window
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can see some wood there in your window yeah yeah I have a beautiful office here
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yeah yeah I have a beautiful office here
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yeah yeah I have a beautiful office here it's it's a cold cold and nasty though
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it's it's a cold cold and nasty though
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it's it's a cold cold and nasty though how are you in Sweden oh no it's it's a
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how are you in Sweden oh no it's it's a
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how are you in Sweden oh no it's it's a pre-spring here it's no no more winter
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pre-spring here it's no no more winter
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pre-spring here it's no no more winter it's it's getting better I hope it all
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it's it's getting better I hope it all
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it's it's getting better I hope it all right so let's dig into it for the
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right so let's dig into it for the
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right so let's dig into it for the remainder of this this um uh this
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remainder of this this um uh this
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remainder of this this um uh this episode here about Azure Monitor and and
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episode here about Azure Monitor and and
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episode here about Azure Monitor and and monitoring monitoring servers right so
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monitoring monitoring servers right so
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monitoring monitoring servers right so servers in the cloud and servers servers
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servers in the cloud and servers servers
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servers in the cloud and servers servers also not in the cloud right anywhere
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also not in the cloud right anywhere
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also not in the cloud right anywhere abolutely you know the the uh I told you
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abolutely you know the the uh I told you
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abolutely you know the the uh I told you I didn't I didn't have any notes
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I didn't I didn't have any notes
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I didn't I didn't have any notes prepared but I did actually put three
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prepared but I did actually put three
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prepared but I did actually put three bullets on a piece of paper so all
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bullets on a piece of paper so all
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bullets on a piece of paper so all right's one of those bullets is is you
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right's one of those bullets is is you
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right's one of those bullets is is you just mentioned it it involved servers
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just mentioned it it involved servers
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just mentioned it it involved servers not in Azure yep um so the number one
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not in Azure yep um so the number one
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not in Azure yep um so the number one big like I guess Takeaway on this show
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big like I guess Takeaway on this show
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big like I guess Takeaway on this show is like hey Azure monitors changed it's
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is like hey Azure monitors changed it's
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is like hey Azure monitors changed it's better it's new there's more
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better it's new there's more
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better it's new there's more opportunities uh take another look
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opportunities uh take another look
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opportunities uh take another look that's kind of our takeaway so like what
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that's kind of our takeaway so like what
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that's kind of our takeaway so like what has changed what are the drivers and one
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has changed what are the drivers and one
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has changed what are the drivers and one of them is ezure Arc right yes Microsoft
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of them is ezure Arc right yes Microsoft
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of them is ezure Arc right yes Microsoft calls it adaptive
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calls it adaptive
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calls it adaptive Cloud hybrid this and that um Azure
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Cloud hybrid this and that um Azure
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Cloud hybrid this and that um Azure local is the new you know uh name for
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local is the new you know uh name for
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local is the new you know uh name for Azure Technologies extended outside
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Azure Technologies extended outside
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Azure Technologies extended outside Azure but uh this this ability to
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Azure but uh this this ability to
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Azure but uh this this ability to surface Computing resources in any cloud
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surface Computing resources in any cloud
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surface Computing resources in any cloud of any nature of any OS anywhere you
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of any nature of any OS anywhere you
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of any nature of any OS anywhere you it's it's quite revolutionary and
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it's it's quite revolutionary and
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it's it's quite revolutionary and applying all of the hyperscale
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applying all of the hyperscale
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applying all of the hyperscale management and governance techniques
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management and governance techniques
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management and governance techniques that have that have proven um themselves
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that have that have proven um themselves
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that have that have proven um themselves again at planetary scale for a decade
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again at planetary scale for a decade
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again at planetary scale for a decade right snapping into that model no matter
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right snapping into that model no matter
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right snapping into that model no matter how small and no matter how isolated
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how small and no matter how isolated
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how small and no matter how isolated your environment is so as your Arc
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your environment is so as your Arc
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your environment is so as your Arc number one big driver because you can
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number one big driver because you can
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number one big driver because you can now manage all your servers of all us as
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now manage all your servers of all us as
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now manage all your servers of all us as well right right so what you do I guess
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well right right so what you do I guess
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well right right so what you do I guess then I mean I know a little bit about it
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then I mean I know a little bit about it
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then I mean I know a little bit about it right you set it up in such a way that
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right you set it up in such a way that
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right you set it up in such a way that wherever you have servers anywhere you
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wherever you have servers anywhere you
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wherever you have servers anywhere you have them you set them up so that they
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have them you set them up so that they
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have them you set them up so that they are they're represented in the in your
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are they're represented in the in your
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are they're represented in the in your Cloud Dash you can see them up there as
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Cloud Dash you can see them up there as
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Cloud Dash you can see them up there as if they well could have been in Azure
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if they well could have been in Azure
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if they well could have been in Azure right but they could have also been in
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right but they could have also been in
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right but they could have also been in anywhere Google doesn't matter right
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anywhere Google doesn't matter right
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anywhere Google doesn't matter right adbs instances um in your own closet it
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adbs instances um in your own closet it
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adbs instances um in your own closet it still works physical server yep you see
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still works physical server yep you see
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still works physical server yep you see them all in Azure identically in fact
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them all in Azure identically in fact
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them all in Azure identically in fact you you absolutely lose track of whether
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you you absolutely lose track of whether
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you you absolutely lose track of whether a machine is a is an Azure VM or or a
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a machine is a is an Azure VM or or a
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a machine is a is an Azure VM or or a VMware guest you know or or uh you just
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VMware guest you know or or uh you just
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VMware guest you know or or uh you just lose track because they're all managed
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lose track because they're all managed
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lose track because they're all managed and presented identically to you and it
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and presented identically to you and it
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and presented identically to you and it gives you then this one tool there's one
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gives you then this one tool there's one
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gives you then this one tool there's one place where you can look at all of them
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place where you can look at all of them
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place where you can look at all of them however many and wherever they are and
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however many and wherever they are and
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however many and wherever they are and and just manage them and take care of
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and just manage them and take care of
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and just manage them and take care of them right talking about that one tool
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them right talking about that one tool
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them right talking about that one tool you know that one tool is azure which
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you know that one tool is azure which
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you know that one tool is azure which means we have we have Powershell and and
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means we have we have Powershell and and
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means we have we have Powershell and and you know python interface we have the
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you know python interface we have the
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you know python interface we have the portal and Guy interface we have the API
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portal and Guy interface we have the API
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portal and Guy interface we have the API interface you know we have we have a
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interface you know we have we have a
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interface you know we have we have a mobile client we have web clients you
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mobile client we have web clients you
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mobile client we have web clients you know um there's an literally an infinite
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know um there's an literally an infinite
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know um there's an literally an infinite number of way
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number of way
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number of way it needs to access this platform so once
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it needs to access this platform so once
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it needs to access this platform so once you start using this platform for your
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you start using this platform for your
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you start using this platform for your on premise servers let's say you had
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on premise servers let's say you had
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on premise servers let's say you had never
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never
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never considered this kind of solution so like
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considered this kind of solution so like
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considered this kind of solution so like what what comes what's a side benefit of
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what what comes what's a side benefit of
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what what comes what's a side benefit of that you know and that's again
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that you know and that's again
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that you know and that's again benefiting from that hyperscale exposure
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benefiting from that hyperscale exposure
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benefiting from that hyperscale exposure so let me tell you the other the second
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so let me tell you the other the second
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so let me tell you the other the second thing uh that that is uh it would be the
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thing uh that that is uh it would be the
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thing uh that that is uh it would be the architecture change that Azure monitor
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architecture change that Azure monitor
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architecture change that Azure monitor went through when it migrated to what we
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went through when it migrated to what we
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went through when it migrated to what we call the Azure monitoring agent that the
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call the Azure monitoring agent that the
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call the Azure monitoring agent that the new era agent and uh that is again
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new era agent and uh that is again
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new era agent and uh that is again what's worth a second look right if if
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what's worth a second look right if if
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what's worth a second look right if if you had not uh considered Azure monitor
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you had not uh considered Azure monitor
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you had not uh considered Azure monitor recently take a look and inform yourself
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recently take a look and inform yourself
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recently take a look and inform yourself and test with the Azure monitor agent
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and test with the Azure monitor agent
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and test with the Azure monitor agent and its new capabilities to uh be
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and its new capabilities to uh be
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and its new capabilities to uh be infinitely granular uh you know what you
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infinitely granular uh you know what you
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infinitely granular uh you know what you collect and who you collect it from you
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collect and who you collect it from you
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collect and who you collect it from you know and filtering infinite filtering
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know and filtering infinite filtering
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know and filtering infinite filtering options so I love that have you have
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options so I love that have you have
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options so I love that have you have control valves now all over the place
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control valves now all over the place
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control valves now all over the place that you didn't used to have with the
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that you didn't used to have with the
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that you didn't used to have with the former monolithic solution based on the
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former monolithic solution based on the
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former monolithic solution based on the Microsoft monitoring agent which is now
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Microsoft monitoring agent which is now
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Microsoft monitoring agent which is now yeah yeah yeah because I remember this I
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yeah yeah yeah because I remember this I
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yeah yeah yeah because I remember this I remember the previous versions previous
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remember the previous versions previous
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remember the previous versions previous Solutions some of them you could either
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Solutions some of them you could either
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Solutions some of them you could either not have them or just turn them on and
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not have them or just turn them on and
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not have them or just turn them on and they would collect and send all data
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they would collect and send all data
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they would collect and send all data about everything and there was no way to
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about everything and there was no way to
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about everything and there was no way to really really you know skim down to like
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really really you know skim down to like
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really really you know skim down to like I only want this subset of data right
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I only want this subset of data right
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I only want this subset of data right yeah it didn't scale to the very large
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yeah it didn't scale to the very large
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yeah it didn't scale to the very large customer no no no no and it sent a lot
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customer no no no no and it sent a lot
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customer no no no no and it sent a lot of information you were never interested
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of information you were never interested
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of information you were never interested in exactly so you're now in control of
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in exactly so you're now in control of
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in exactly so you're now in control of that you're control of it from a privacy
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that you're control of it from a privacy
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that you're control of it from a privacy and governance perspective and from a
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and governance perspective and from a
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and governance perspective and from a financial perspective you're in control
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financial perspective you're in control
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financial perspective you're in control now so you have all of those options you
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now so you have all of those options you
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now so you have all of those options you didn't have before great and and I would
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didn't have before great and and I would
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didn't have before great and and I would say the third reason to look is I I gave
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say the third reason to look is I I gave
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say the third reason to look is I I gave it the title co-p purposing right that
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it the title co-p purposing right that
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it the title co-p purposing right that the the Azure Arc connectivity and uh
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the the Azure Arc connectivity and uh
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the the Azure Arc connectivity and uh that you get for your non- aure services
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that you get for your non- aure services
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that you get for your non- aure services and then once you're in Azure either via
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and then once you're in Azure either via
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and then once you're in Azure either via Arc or because you're running an Azure
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Arc or because you're running an Azure
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Arc or because you're running an Azure then you have all of the Azure things
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then you have all of the Azure things
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then you have all of the Azure things like Azure policy ah right and as I told
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like Azure policy ah right and as I told
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like Azure policy ah right and as I told you you we're both an mssp and an MSP so
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you you we're both an mssp and an MSP so
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you you we're both an mssp and an MSP so almost all of our Solutions almost all
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almost all of our Solutions almost all
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almost all of our Solutions almost all of our Monitoring Solutions have a
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of our Monitoring Solutions have a
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of our Monitoring Solutions have a security solution with them or they
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security solution with them or they
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security solution with them or they started as a security solution and now
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started as a security solution and now
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started as a security solution and now they've grown to include the monitoring
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they've grown to include the monitoring
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they've grown to include the monitoring piece right because it's the same tools
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piece right because it's the same tools
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piece right because it's the same tools doing the same connectivity so you might
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doing the same connectivity so you might
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doing the same connectivity so you might be using uh you know Azure Arc primarily
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be using uh you know Azure Arc primarily
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be using uh you know Azure Arc primarily for uh extended uh extended updating
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for uh extended uh extended updating
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for uh extended uh extended updating support right for your legacy you know
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support right for your legacy you know
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support right for your legacy you know you might be using Azure Arc uh for the
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you might be using Azure Arc uh for the
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you might be using Azure Arc uh for the on demand billing because you can now
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on demand billing because you can now
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on demand billing because you can now spin up Windows Server spin up a SQL
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spin up Windows Server spin up a SQL
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spin up Windows Server spin up a SQL Server legally just pay for it l even
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Server legally just pay for it l even
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Server legally just pay for it l even for a few hours pay pennies for it shut
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for a few hours pay pennies for it shut
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for a few hours pay pennies for it shut it off you can now do that legally at
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it off you can now do that legally at
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it off you can now do that legally at scale so there's so many reasons that
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scale so there's so many reasons that
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scale so there's so many reasons that that you might be adapting these new
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that you might be adapting these new
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that you might be adapting these new Microsoft tools either for security or
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Microsoft tools either for security or
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Microsoft tools either for security or the other benefits and now you now that
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the other benefits and now you now that
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the other benefits and now you now that you've got that now that you're in Azure
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you've got that now that you're in Azure
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you've got that now that you're in Azure you're using policy you're using Arc you
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you're using policy you're using Arc you
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you're using policy you're using Arc you you are 80% of the way to using it for
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you are 80% of the way to using it for
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you are 80% of the way to using it for monitoring so those are the three
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monitoring so those are the three
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monitoring so those are the three enablers okay okay
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enablers okay okay
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enablers okay okay so if we if are we good on that Magnus
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so if we if are we good on that Magnus
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so if we if are we good on that Magnus oh absolutely that's that's that's
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oh absolutely that's that's that's
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oh absolutely that's that's that's Stellar um I couldn't have said it
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Stellar um I couldn't have said it
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Stellar um I couldn't have said it better if I tried so this is this is
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better if I tried so this is this is
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better if I tried so this is this is excellent so all right so we're gonna
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excellent so all right so we're gonna
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excellent so all right so we're gonna talk a little bit in a in a few minutes
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talk a little bit in a in a few minutes
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talk a little bit in a in a few minutes we're going to talk about the on-ramp to
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we're going to talk about the on-ramp to
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we're going to talk about the on-ramp to this and and how to get into it unless
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this and and how to get into it unless
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this and and how to get into it unless if you're not doing it already but what
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if you're not doing it already but what
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if you're not doing it already but what if first of all what does it what does
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if first of all what does it what does
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if first of all what does it what does it take to if I have servers somewhere
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it take to if I have servers somewhere
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it take to if I have servers somewhere let's say that I have them in my garage
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let's say that I have them in my garage
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let's say that I have them in my garage you know at the at the company uh we
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you know at the at the company uh we
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you know at the at the company uh we have some server racks what does it take
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have some server racks what does it take
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have some server racks what does it take for us to set it up in such a way that
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for us to set it up in such a way that
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for us to set it up in such a way that we can start using uh Azure monitoring
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we can start using uh Azure monitoring
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we can start using uh Azure monitoring uh here and and using it as a security
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uh here and and using it as a security
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uh here and and using it as a security solution and and so forth what what
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solution and and so forth what what
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solution and and so forth what what let's let's just let's talk exclusiv
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let's let's just let's talk exclusiv
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let's let's just let's talk exclusiv about that environment you just said
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about that environment you just said
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about that environment you just said it's a small environment in an isolated
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it's a small environment in an isolated
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it's a small environment in an isolated location yep so it's either a it's
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location yep so it's either a it's
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location yep so it's either a it's either a few physical servers or it's
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either a few physical servers or it's
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either a few physical servers or it's it's one one host maybe one server and
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it's one one host maybe one server and
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it's one one host maybe one server and one host you know with maybe some guests
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one host you know with maybe some guests
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one host you know with maybe some guests on it so in that scenario um if if it's
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on it so in that scenario um if if it's
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on it so in that scenario um if if it's when we're talking small when we're
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when we're talking small when we're
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when we're talking small when we're talking less than 10 guest machines you
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talking less than 10 guest machines you
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talking less than 10 guest machines you know or or a domain environment with
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know or or a domain environment with
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know or or a domain environment with less and 10 then basically you're just
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less and 10 then basically you're just
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less and 10 then basically you're just gonna install the Azure Arc agent 10
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gonna install the Azure Arc agent 10
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gonna install the Azure Arc agent 10 times one time you're gonna install it
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times one time you're gonna install it
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times one time you're gonna install it on each server okay yeah because you
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on each server okay yeah because you
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on each server okay yeah because you don't have to like automatically or
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don't have to like automatically or
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don't have to like automatically or anything when you have the larger
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anything when you have the larger
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anything when you have the larger environment when you have dozens or
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environment when you have dozens or
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environment when you have dozens or hundreds of servers there's all kinds of
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hundreds of servers there's all kinds of
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hundreds of servers there's all kinds of ways to push that Azure Arc agent out at
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ways to push that Azure Arc agent out at
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ways to push that Azure Arc agent out at scale at at at at my company we
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scale at at at at my company we
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scale at at at at my company we recommend uh if you have a if you have a
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recommend uh if you have a if you have a
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recommend uh if you have a if you have a Windows domain we recommend Azure policy
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Windows domain we recommend Azure policy
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Windows domain we recommend Azure policy I'm sorry active directory active direct
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I'm sorry active directory active direct
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I'm sorry active directory active direct policy yes push out an immediate onetime
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policy yes push out an immediate onetime
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policy yes push out an immediate onetime installation task um and then if you
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installation task um and then if you
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installation task um and then if you have um if you have a hyperv based or
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have um if you have a hyperv based or
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have um if you have a hyperv based or VMware based plant there are two other
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VMware based plant there are two other
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VMware based plant there are two other options to connect your whole private
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options to connect your whole private
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options to connect your whole private Cloud at once up to Azure you know and
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Cloud at once up to Azure you know and
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Cloud at once up to Azure you know and uh in so there's slightly different
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uh in so there's slightly different
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uh in so there's slightly different paths for these three methods um but
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paths for these three methods um but
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paths for these three methods um but they're all lightweight honestly our
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they're all lightweight honestly our
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they're all lightweight honestly our customers we have we have over 10,000
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customers we have we have over 10,000
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customers we have we have over 10,000 servers in management uh through our
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servers in management uh through our
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servers in management uh through our that's a lot of we've been doing we've
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that's a lot of we've been doing we've
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that's a lot of we've been doing we've been doing this for six years this exact
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been doing this for six years this exact
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been doing this for six years this exact model like you know we've had is from
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model like you know we've had is from
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model like you know we've had is from the MMA to the AMA which means it works
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the MMA to the AMA which means it works
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the MMA to the AMA which means it works well right you keep doing thank you and
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well right you keep doing thank you and
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well right you keep doing thank you and and our customers don't we universally
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and our customers don't we universally
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and our customers don't we universally report no issues universally report no
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report no issues universally report no
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report no issues universally report no issues with getting attaching the
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issues with getting attaching the
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issues with getting attaching the machines whether they're a few you know
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machines whether they're a few you know
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machines whether they're a few you know private cloud or at scale um it's
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private cloud or at scale um it's
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private cloud or at scale um it's something that our customers sometimes
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something that our customers sometimes
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something that our customers sometimes they have to be informed a lot because
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they have to be informed a lot because
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they have to be informed a lot because they're not familiar with it but once
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they're not familiar with it but once
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they're not familiar with it but once they learn what it does uh and they
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they learn what it does uh and they
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they learn what it does uh and they evaluate it uh you know in a pilot group
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evaluate it uh you know in a pilot group
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evaluate it uh you know in a pilot group then we've never had any issues pushing
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then we've never had any issues pushing
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then we've never had any issues pushing the agent out so you push those agents
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the agent out so you push those agents
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the agent out so you push those agents out you attach your machines now they're
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out you attach your machines now they're
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out you attach your machines now they're up in Azure step one okay that's really
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up in Azure step one okay that's really
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up in Azure step one okay that's really cool yeah right step two is you're going
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cool yeah right step two is you're going
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cool yeah right step two is you're going to you're going to
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to you're going to
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to you're going to create data collection rules okay Azure
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create data collection rules okay Azure
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create data collection rules okay Azure monitor data collection rules you're
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monitor data collection rules you're
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monitor data collection rules you're going to create a a a small library of
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going to create a a a small library of
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going to create a a a small library of them yep we mentioned the granular
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them yep we mentioned the granular
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them yep we mentioned the granular nature of the AMA you're going to
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relevant you know system logs and
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relevant you know system logs and
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relevant you know system logs and application logs but but I don't want to
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application logs but but I don't want to
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application logs but but I don't want to collect the the like you know the really
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collect the the like you know the really
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collect the the like you know the really common noisy events that if you look at
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common noisy events that if you look at
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common noisy events that if you look at a system log you know so so you can
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a system log you know so so you can
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a system log you know so so you can easily at the beginning well I'm going
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easily at the beginning well I'm going
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easily at the beginning well I'm going to filter out this one or two events
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to filter out this one or two events
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to filter out this one or two events that I know are the bulk of all my logs
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that I know are the bulk of all my logs
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that I know are the bulk of all my logs that I don't care about right so just
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that I don't care about right so just
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that I don't care about right so just decide what you're going to collect and
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decide what you're going to collect and
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decide what you're going to collect and then the exceptions to what you're going
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then the exceptions to what you're going
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then the exceptions to what you're going to collect you can get granular like we
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to collect you can get granular like we
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to collect you can get granular like we recommend uh customers collect the
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recommend uh customers collect the
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recommend uh customers collect the Windows Defender log right if you're
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Windows Defender log right if you're
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Windows Defender log right if you're running the Windows Defender on your
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running the Windows Defender on your
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running the Windows Defender on your machine on your Windows machine it has
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machine on your Windows machine it has
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machine on your Windows machine it has its own log it has a special log so you
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its own log it has a special log so you
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its own log it has a special log so you need a data collection rule for that log
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need a data collection rule for that log
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need a data collection rule for that log the specific things most of our
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the specific things most of our
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the specific things most of our customers have about eight data
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customers have about eight data
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customers have about eight data collection rules to get all the
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collection rules to get all the
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collection rules to get all the different log types and such so you get
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different log types and such so you get
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different log types and such so you get those out there and then it's we
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those out there and then it's we
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those out there and then it's we recommend using Azure policy Azure
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recommend using Azure policy Azure
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recommend using Azure policy Azure policy as the government's mechanism to
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policy as the government's mechanism to
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policy as the government's mechanism to connect one or 10 or 10,000 machines to
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connect one or 10 or 10,000 machines to
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connect one or 10 or 10,000 machines to the same you know in the same setup and
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the same you know in the same setup and
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the same you know in the same setup and the same fashion whether they're in the
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the same fashion whether they're in the
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the same fashion whether they're in the cloud or on PR whether they're Linux
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cloud or on PR whether they're Linux
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cloud or on PR whether they're Linux whether they're windows we can make a S
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whether they're windows we can make a S
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whether they're windows we can make a S Windows or Linux we can make a single
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Windows or Linux we can make a single
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Windows or Linux we can make a single Azure initiative a single Azure policy
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Azure initiative a single Azure policy
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Azure initiative a single Azure policy initiative that covers all four of those
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initiative that covers all four of those
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initiative that covers all four of those populations your windows and Linux
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populations your windows and Linux
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populations your windows and Linux you're in Azure you're not in Azure we
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you're in Azure you're not in Azure we
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you're in Azure you're not in Azure we cover them all with one one button
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cover them all with one one button
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cover them all with one one button covers them all infinite scale I mean
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covers them all infinite scale I mean
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covers them all infinite scale I mean what's simple reduce the number of
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what's simple reduce the number of
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what's simple reduce the number of incredbly simple and very powerful I
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incredbly simple and very powerful I
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incredbly simple and very powerful I love polarizing as well so it it creates
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love polarizing as well so it it creates
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love polarizing as well so it it creates like this um this uh set of of of
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like this um this uh set of of of
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like this um this uh set of of of governance rules around everything where
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governance rules around everything where
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governance rules around everything where you can if if any server for any reason
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you can if if any server for any reason
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you can if if any server for any reason doesn't comply it you will you will
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doesn't comply it you will you will
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doesn't comply it you will you will notice you will see that management by
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notice you will see that management by
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notice you will see that management by exception right you have you have work a
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exception right you have you have work a
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exception right you have you have work a bunch of work at the beginning you get
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bunch of work at the beginning you get
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bunch of work at the beginning you get up to 100% And then you just watch the
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up to 100% And then you just watch the
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up to 100% And then you just watch the 100% you know and when it dips out then
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100% you know and when it dips out then
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100% you know and when it dips out then you know you got that the automatic
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you know you got that the automatic
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you know you got that the automatic processes have failed because
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processes have failed because
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processes have failed because automatically you should automatically
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automatically you should automatically
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automatically you should automatically onboard new resources and there it's
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onboard new resources and there it's
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onboard new resources and there it's touchless uh to as you onboard new
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touchless uh to as you onboard new
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touchless uh to as you onboard new servers and stuff so that's step one
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servers and stuff so that's step one
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servers and stuff so that's step one connect them to Azure step two create
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connect them to Azure step two create
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connect them to Azure step two create the dcrs and the policies to to do the
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the dcrs and the policies to to do the
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the dcrs and the policies to to do the association of the machines to the rules
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association of the machines to the rules
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association of the machines to the rules and then the third and final step is
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and then the third and final step is
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and then the third and final step is create alert rules okay you need you
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create alert rules okay you need you
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create alert rules okay you need you need to decide what you're going to be
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need to decide what you're going to be
14:48
need to decide what you're going to be actively alerted on now just doing steps
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actively alerted on now just doing steps
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actively alerted on now just doing steps one and two is going to light up all the
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one and two is going to light up all the
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one and two is going to light up all the visualizations it's going to like the
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visualizations it's going to like the
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visualizations it's going to like the workbooks the dashboards all of those
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workbooks the dashboards all of those
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workbooks the dashboards all of those things but then you need to decide the
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things but then you need to decide the
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things but then you need to decide the servers are like take take the
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servers are like take take the
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servers are like take take the temperature and everything you can see
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temperature and everything you can see
15:02
temperature and everything you can see how how they're do you know if I if we
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how how they're do you know if I if we
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how how they're do you know if I if we could do a demo right now I could blow
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could do a demo right now I could blow
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could do a demo right now I could blow everybody away you know with no
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everybody away you know with no
15:09
everybody away you know with no insightful tools you know the super see
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insightful tools you know the super see
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insightful tools you know the super see that actually so all right so the last
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that actually so all right so the last
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that actually so all right so the last step is deciding what you're going to
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step is deciding what you're going to
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step is deciding what you're going to monitor and we uh you know there's
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monitor and we uh you know there's
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monitor and we uh you know there's there's basically two categories of
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there's basically two categories of
15:20
there's basically two categories of things there there's your
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things there there's your
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things there there's your performance-based alerts you know on CPU
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performance-based alerts you know on CPU
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performance-based alerts you know on CPU memory of course hard dis and then
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memory of course hard dis and then
15:27
memory of course hard dis and then there's log based alerts you know
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there's log based alerts you know
15:29
there's log based alerts you know uh NTFS file corruption yeah duplicate
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uh NTFS file corruption yeah duplicate
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uh NTFS file corruption yeah duplicate IP address on network right um so uh we
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IP address on network right um so uh we
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IP address on network right um so uh we at accountability we've developed uh a a
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at accountability we've developed uh a a
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at accountability we've developed uh a a set of of under 50 between 40 and 50
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set of of under 50 between 40 and 50
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set of of under 50 between 40 and 50 Azure monitor aler rules that we deploy
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Azure monitor aler rules that we deploy
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Azure monitor aler rules that we deploy out the gate to our customers cool you
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out the gate to our customers cool you
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out the gate to our customers cool you know and and uh the exact you know the
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know and and uh the exact you know the
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know and and uh the exact you know the the exact nature of those rules is going
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the exact nature of those rules is going
15:53
the exact nature of those rules is going to be driven by what your experience is
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to be driven by what your experience is
15:57
to be driven by what your experience is and what your server population is
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and what your server population is
15:59
and what your server population is generally you're going to be migrating
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generally you're going to be migrating
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generally you're going to be migrating from an existing tool and in fact you
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from an existing tool and in fact you
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from an existing tool and in fact you know we had great success migrating
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know we had great success migrating
16:05
know we had great success migrating customers from scum to ezure Monitor and
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customers from scum to ezure Monitor and
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customers from scum to ezure Monitor and you know that starts with an analysis of
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you know that starts with an analysis of
16:10
you know that starts with an analysis of the alerts that you've been getting from
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the alerts that you've been getting from
16:12
the alerts that you've been getting from scum yes but isn't that isn't that hard
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scum yes but isn't that isn't that hard
16:14
scum yes but isn't that isn't that hard to make people you know change tools
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to make people you know change tools
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to make people you know change tools people no they come to us they want to
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people no they come to us they want to
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people no they come to us they want to change they want to stop paying solar
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change they want to stop paying solar
16:22
change they want to stop paying solar winds they want to stop paying uh for
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winds they want to stop paying uh for
16:24
winds they want to stop paying uh for their you know uh okay systems
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their you know uh okay systems
16:27
their you know uh okay systems management licenses you you know right
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management licenses you you know right
16:29
management licenses you you know right that makes sense that makes
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that makes sense that makes
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that makes sense that makes sense they so often they're already
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sense they so often they're already
16:33
sense they so often they're already invested in the Azure platform for a
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invested in the Azure platform for a
16:35
invested in the Azure platform for a different reason and they say hey can
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different reason and they say hey can
16:37
different reason and they say hey can you can you light us up using the
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you can you light us up using the
16:39
you can you light us up using the existing framework that you've deployed
16:41
existing framework that you've deployed
16:41
existing framework that you've deployed for security can you now light us up for
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for security can you now light us up for
16:43
for security can you now light us up for monitoring so um that you know the rare
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monitoring so um that you know the rare
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monitoring so um that you know the rare is the rare is the Enterprise customer
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is the rare is the Enterprise customer
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is the rare is the Enterprise customer that has no idea what server problems
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that has no idea what server problems
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that has no idea what server problems they encounter right you know the the
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they encounter right you know the the
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they encounter right you know the the the that almost any shop uh you know
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the that almost any shop uh you know
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the that almost any shop uh you know that that's going to be looking for
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that that's going to be looking for
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that that's going to be looking for solution like this to be dropped in they
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solution like this to be dropped in they
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solution like this to be dropped in they have awareness of what the conditions
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have awareness of what the conditions
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have awareness of what the conditions are that they want to be alerted for and
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are that they want to be alerted for and
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are that they want to be alerted for and so you create an alert rule for each one
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so you create an alert rule for each one
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so you create an alert rule for each one right and uh the uh it's like you can
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right and uh the uh it's like you can
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right and uh the uh it's like you can ask have we you know what's what what
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ask have we you know what's what what
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ask have we you know what's what what have our outages been in the last year
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have our outages been in the last year
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have our outages been in the last year well there was that one time we ran out
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well there was that one time we ran out
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well there was that one time we ran out of DHCP leases and nobody could log in
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of DHCP leases and nobody could log in
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of DHCP leases and nobody could log in okay ah let's make a monitor rule to let
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okay ah let's make a monitor rule to let
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okay ah let's make a monitor rule to let us know when our DHCP leases are at
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us know when our DHCP leases are at
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us know when our DHCP leases are at 90% smart all right makes sense just a
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90% smart all right makes sense just a
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90% smart all right makes sense just a whiteboard brainstorming datadriven
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whiteboard brainstorming datadriven
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whiteboard brainstorming datadriven exercise you develop the the alert list
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exercise you develop the the alert list
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exercise you develop the the alert list that's important to you all right it's
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that's important to you all right it's
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that's important to you all right it's it's it's works very very well I can I
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it's it's works very very well I can I
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it's it's works very very well I can I can hear that so this is this is really
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can hear that so this is this is really
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can hear that so this is this is really inspiring I wish we had lots and lots of
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inspiring I wish we had lots and lots of
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inspiring I wish we had lots and lots of time to talk but before we close out
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time to talk but before we close out
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time to talk but before we close out let's do a final thing um what are your
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let's do a final thing um what are your
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let's do a final thing um what are your like do you have any any quick uh pieces
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like do you have any any quick uh pieces
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like do you have any any quick uh pieces of advice for someone who well other
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of advice for someone who well other
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of advice for someone who well other than hiring your firm because that's a
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than hiring your firm because that's a
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than hiring your firm because that's a given but any any quick pieces of advice
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given but any any quick pieces of advice
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given but any any quick pieces of advice like how do you get into this space if
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like how do you get into this space if
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like how do you get into this space if you're not there already I hear you well
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you're not there already I hear you well
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you're not there already I hear you well for me a lab has been absolutely
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for me a lab has been absolutely
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for me a lab has been absolutely essential right so um you get yourself a
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essential right so um you get yourself a
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essential right so um you get yourself a lab uh you know Microsoft makes makes
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lab uh you know Microsoft makes makes
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lab uh you know Microsoft makes makes some training allowances available you
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some training allowances available you
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some training allowances available you know through like $150 a month credit I
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know through like $150 a month credit I
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know through like $150 a month credit I think you know uh in an Azure
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think you know uh in an Azure
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think you know uh in an Azure subscription um and uh you know if it's
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subscription um and uh you know if it's
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subscription um and uh you know if it's your career invest a little bit as
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your career invest a little bit as
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your career invest a little bit as needed you know so get get a server get
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needed you know so get get a server get
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needed you know so get get a server get a physical server ideally a a small
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a physical server ideally a a small
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a physical server ideally a a small hyperv host perhaps right so you can
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hyperv host perhaps right so you can
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hyperv host perhaps right so you can have a variety of servers or or start
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have a variety of servers or or start
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have a variety of servers or or start some up in Azure thank you yes
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some up in Azure thank you yes
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some up in Azure thank you yes absolutely you know um and and there's
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absolutely you know um and and there's
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absolutely you know um and and there's actually published way to deploy an
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actually published way to deploy an
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actually published way to deploy an Azure server and make it look to Azure
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Azure server and make it look to Azure
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Azure server and make it look to Azure as if it was an on-premise server so you
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as if it was an on-premise server so you
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as if it was an on-premise server so you can get familiar with the tools need a
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can get familiar with the tools need a
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can get familiar with the tools need a lab you need to invest a little bit in a
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lab you need to invest a little bit in a
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lab you need to invest a little bit in a lab and then Microsoft learn is
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lab and then Microsoft learn is
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lab and then Microsoft learn is fantastic you know the Microsoft you
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fantastic you know the Microsoft you
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fantastic you know the Microsoft you know fundamentals through the the uh uh
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know fundamentals through the the uh uh
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know fundamentals through the the uh uh you know the the the uh expert uh you
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you know the the the uh expert uh you
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you know the the the uh expert uh you know intermediate and expert
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know intermediate and expert
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know intermediate and expert certifications is outstanding Microsoft
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certifications is outstanding Microsoft
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certifications is outstanding Microsoft learn has a module on Azure has several
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learn has a module on Azure has several
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learn has a module on Azure has several mo mo modules on Azure monitor so once
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mo mo modules on Azure monitor so once
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mo mo modules on Azure monitor so once you learning learning contents and and
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you learning learning contents and and
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you learning learning contents and and and Labs available for Monitor and and
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and Labs available for Monitor and and
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and Labs available for Monitor and and this space and and try it out yeah do
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this space and and try it out yeah do
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this space and and try it out yeah do the three things I said connect your
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the three things I said connect your
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the three things I said connect your machines make the the rules and the
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machines make the the rules and the
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machines make the the rules and the policies and make the the the Azure
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policies and make the the the Azure
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policies and make the the the Azure policies you know and the data
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policies you know and the data
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policies you know and the data collection rules and then make the the
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collection rules and then make the the
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collection rules and then make the the monitor alerts those three things you
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monitor alerts those three things you
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monitor alerts those three things you can practice them small scale in your
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can practice them small scale in your
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can practice them small scale in your lab and then hopefully the light will
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lab and then hopefully the light will
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lab and then hopefully the light will will go on and go this is how I could
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will go on and go this is how I could
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will go on and go this is how I could adapt this at scale to my business or
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adapt this at scale to my business or
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adapt this at scale to my business or this I could turn this into a service
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this I could turn this into a service
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this I could turn this into a service for my customers either one right very
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for my customers either one right very
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for my customers either one right very good very good that's um that's spot on
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good very good that's um that's spot on
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good very good that's um that's spot on I mean there's probably nothing more to
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I mean there's probably nothing more to
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I mean there's probably nothing more to say or there's a lot more to say but we
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say or there's a lot more to say but we
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say or there's a lot more to say but we we can we can't dig into all of that I
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we can we can't dig into all of that I
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we can we can't dig into all of that I really really want to thank you for
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really really want to thank you for
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really really want to thank you for being on the show today John it was an
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being on the show today John it was an
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being on the show today John it was an absolute pleasure having you thank you
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absolute pleasure having you thank you
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absolute pleasure having you thank you so much Magnus thanks for letting me
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so much Magnus thanks for letting me
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so much Magnus thanks for letting me chat about this I'm glad oh yeah it's my
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chat about this I'm glad oh yeah it's my
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chat about this I'm glad oh yeah it's my pleasure it's a great thing to talk
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pleasure it's a great thing to talk
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pleasure it's a great thing to talk about and very important as well so um
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about and very important as well so um
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about and very important as well so um thank you audience for watching and we
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thank you audience for watching and we
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thank you audience for watching and we will see you next time on the cloud show
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will see you next time on the cloud show
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will see you next time on the cloud show byebye
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byebye
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