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The Cloud Show with Magnus Mårtensson ft. Maria-Anastasia - Ep: 52
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Aug 6, 2025
Join this live session with Magnus Mårtensson ft. Maria-Anastasia Moustaka for the next episode of The Cloud Show with Magnus Mårtensson on January 8, at 01:05 PM (EST). The show is about cloud leadership and all the important questions relating to cloud projects. Certainly, many matters when a company is going to and wants to be successful in the cloud, are about technology. However, there are many additional matters, adjacent to technology, that we also need to tend to regarding business strategy, human resources, organizational change, planning for a technical cloud approach, and many more questions. These conversations are critical for a healthy cloud and for a swift and accurate cloud approach.
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welcome back everyone to another episode
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welcome back everyone to another episode
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welcome back everyone to another episode of the cloud show we are going to do the
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of the cloud show we are going to do the
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of the cloud show we are going to do the first live episode of 2025 you're very
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first live episode of 2025 you're very
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first live episode of 2025 you're very welcome to be here with us today because
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welcome to be here with us today because
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welcome to be here with us today because we're going to talk about another
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we're going to talk about another
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we're going to talk about another important topic namely Power Platform
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important topic namely Power Platform
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important topic namely Power Platform and citizen development ship and how
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and citizen development ship and how
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and citizen development ship and how does that fit into the picture so for
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does that fit into the picture so for
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does that fit into the picture so for organizations for example that are
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organizations for example that are
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organizations for example that are looking to accelerate their digital
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looking to accelerate their digital
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looking to accelerate their digital transformation how does Power Platform
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transformation how does Power Platform
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transformation how does Power Platform stand out then as as sort of a tool set
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stand out then as as sort of a tool set
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stand out then as as sort of a tool set that can bridge that gap between
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that can bridge that gap between
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that can bridge that gap between technology and business needs um we have
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technology and business needs um we have
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technology and business needs um we have with us an MVP who is going to talk to
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with us an MVP who is going to talk to
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with us an MVP who is going to talk to us about that specific topic she is a
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us about that specific topic she is a
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us about that specific topic she is a superstar expert on this thing and uh
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superstar expert on this thing and uh
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superstar expert on this thing and uh the guest today is Maria Anastasia
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[Music]
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mustaka very welcome to the cloud
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mustaka very welcome to the cloud
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mustaka very welcome to the cloud show hello Magnus it's so great to see
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show hello Magnus it's so great to see
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show hello Magnus it's so great to see you again yeah yeah well it's good to
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you again yeah yeah well it's good to
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you again yeah yeah well it's good to see you as well for for for the viewers
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see you as well for for for the viewers
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see you as well for for for the viewers we met in Tunisia where we were both
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we met in Tunisia where we were both
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we met in Tunisia where we were both speakers on the international stage
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speakers on the international stage
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speakers on the international stage there so Maria you are same same as
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there so Maria you are same same as
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there so Maria you are same same as myself you are a an international
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myself you are a an international
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myself you are a an international Superstar uh an international speaker
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Superstar uh an international speaker
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Superstar uh an international speaker who speaks at conferences um and
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who speaks at conferences um and
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who speaks at conferences um and additionally I know that I already said
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additionally I know that I already said
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additionally I know that I already said in the intro that you're a Power
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in the intro that you're a Power
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in the intro that you're a Power Platform you're you're an MVP right um
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Platform you're you're an MVP right um
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Platform you're you're an MVP right um it's not called a Power Platform MVP
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it's not called a Power Platform MVP
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it's not called a Power Platform MVP right it's something else it's business
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right it's something else it's business
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right it's something else it's business apps business apps sorry yes business
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apps business apps sorry yes business
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apps business apps sorry yes business apps that was I was looking for so tell
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apps that was I was looking for so tell
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apps that was I was looking for so tell us just a little bit about yourself
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us just a little bit about yourself
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us just a little bit about yourself before we dive into this Power Platform
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before we dive into this Power Platform
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before we dive into this Power Platform topic I am Maria Anastasia a software
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topic I am Maria Anastasia a software
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topic I am Maria Anastasia a software developer with a passion for problem
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developer with a passion for problem
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developer with a passion for problem solving I am also a PhD candidate
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solving I am also a PhD candidate
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solving I am also a PhD candidate specializing in computational thinking
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specializing in computational thinking
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specializing in computational thinking combining my passion for technology and
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combining my passion for technology and
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combining my passion for technology and education Beyond technology I love
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education Beyond technology I love
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education Beyond technology I love traveling to explore new cultures dance
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traveling to explore new cultures dance
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traveling to explore new cultures dance play with my vrs and spending time with
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play with my vrs and spending time with
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play with my vrs and spending time with my cats who often keep me company during
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my cats who often keep me company during
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my cats who often keep me company during my remote work that's lovely I also have
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my remote work that's lovely I also have
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my remote work that's lovely I also have a cat that keeps me company during my
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a cat that keeps me company during my
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a cat that keeps me company during my remote work uh she she usually sleeps
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remote work uh she she usually sleeps
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remote work uh she she usually sleeps down here on the floor in my in my
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down here on the floor in my in my
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down here on the floor in my in my office and then she she comes and tells
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office and then she she comes and tells
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office and then she she comes and tells me when when I need to go fill her
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me when when I need to go fill her
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me when when I need to go fill her refill her
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refill her
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refill her food that's what they do cats sleep and
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food that's what they do cats sleep and
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food that's what they do cats sleep and eat
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eat
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eat right very nice it's good to have you on
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right very nice it's good to have you on
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right very nice it's good to have you on the show
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the show
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the show and I I I love that you're combining
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and I I I love that you're combining
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and I I I love that you're combining your your passion for technology into
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your your passion for technology into
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your your passion for technology into like a it's a lifestyle right plus the
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like a it's a lifestyle right plus the
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like a it's a lifestyle right plus the PHD thing that you're working on is I
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PHD thing that you're working on is I
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PHD thing that you're working on is I call it a thing it's it's a kind of a
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call it a thing it's it's a kind of a
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call it a thing it's it's a kind of a big thing when are you going to be done
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big thing when are you going to be done
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big thing when are you going to be done with it how what time do I call your
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with it how what time do I call your
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with it how what time do I call your doctor actually I am at the beginning so
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doctor actually I am at the beginning so
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doctor actually I am at the beginning so I have more three years more well that's
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I have more three years more well that's
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I have more three years more well that's great you you have you have lots of
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great you you have you have lots of
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great you you have you have lots of interesting conversations uh to have in
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interesting conversations uh to have in
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interesting conversations uh to have in at conf conferences various places I
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at conf conferences various places I
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at conf conferences various places I hope to see you somewhere again
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hope to see you somewhere again
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hope to see you somewhere again soon let's let's dive into it because
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soon let's let's dive into it because
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soon let's let's dive into it because the Power Platform topic it's quite big
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the Power Platform topic it's quite big
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the Power Platform topic it's quite big um I myself come from a developer
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um I myself come from a developer
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um I myself come from a developer background so I have I have a master's
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background so I have I have a master's
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background so I have I have a master's degree in computer science I I came in
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degree in computer science I I came in
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degree in computer science I I came in as a developer as a junior Dev at some
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as a developer as a junior Dev at some
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as a developer as a junior Dev at some point and you know has become I guess
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point and you know has become I guess
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point and you know has become I guess more experien over the years so I have a
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more experien over the years so I have a
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more experien over the years so I have a a a like a developer developer
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a a like a developer developer
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a a like a developer developer background you know
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background you know
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background you know um and and I I believe that most of us
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um and and I I believe that most of us
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um and and I I believe that most of us are curious um as developers about Power
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are curious um as developers about Power
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are curious um as developers about Power Platform and citizen developers and and
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Platform and citizen developers and and
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Platform and citizen developers and and that sort of thing um so tell us first
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that sort of thing um so tell us first
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that sort of thing um so tell us first like can you like is it possible to
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like can you like is it possible to
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like can you like is it possible to briefly briefly
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briefly briefly
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briefly briefly intro the the the like the position of
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intro the the the like the position of
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intro the the the like the position of what is Power
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what is Power
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what is Power Platform of course um the Power Platform
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Platform of course um the Power Platform
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Platform of course um the Power Platform is a suit of tools designed to help us
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is a suit of tools designed to help us
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is a suit of tools designed to help us create automate and analyze data quickly
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create automate and analyze data quickly
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create automate and analyze data quickly and efficiently even without advanced
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and efficiently even without advanced
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and efficiently even without advanced coding skills it consist of power apps
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coding skills it consist of power apps
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coding skills it consist of power apps for building applications powerbi for
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for building applications powerbi for
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for building applications powerbi for data visualization power automate for
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data visualization power automate for
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data visualization power automate for process Automation and power Pages for
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process Automation and power Pages for
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process Automation and power Pages for website building okay okay the stuff
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website building okay okay the stuff
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website building okay okay the stuff that I have seen is mostly I think
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that I have seen is mostly I think
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that I have seen is mostly I think powerbi I've looked at a bit definitely
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powerbi I've looked at a bit definitely
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powerbi I've looked at a bit definitely I mean I have customers that use that
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I mean I have customers that use that
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I mean I have customers that use that for visualizing data and for working
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for visualizing data and for working
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for visualizing data and for working with their data i' I've set up
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with their data i' I've set up
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with their data i' I've set up collections of the data right I've been
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collections of the data right I've been
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collections of the data right I've been Gathering the data from various data
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Gathering the data from various data
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Gathering the data from various data sources and I have been connecting them
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sources and I have been connecting them
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sources and I have been connecting them to powerbi um dashboards for my
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to powerbi um dashboards for my
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to powerbi um dashboards for my customers so that's all part of Power
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customers so that's all part of Power
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customers so that's all part of Power Platform good all right so
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Platform good all right so
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Platform good all right so um what do you have any do you have any
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um what do you have any do you have any
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um what do you have any do you have any reference cases or examples of of how
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reference cases or examples of of how
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reference cases or examples of of how this been used in the real world other
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this been used in the real world other
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this been used in the real world other than that that's the simplest thing that
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than that that's the simplest thing that
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than that that's the simplest thing that I gave power powerbi was like the First
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I gave power powerbi was like the First
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I gave power powerbi was like the First Tool in the Power Platform
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Tool in the Power Platform
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Tool in the Power Platform right none of the other ones uh were
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right none of the other ones uh were
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right none of the other ones uh were there when they came up with powerbi I
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there when they came up with powerbi I
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there when they came up with powerbi I think yeah so let me share some real
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think yeah so let me share some real
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think yeah so let me share some real world examples of uh the Power
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world examples of uh the Power
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world examples of uh the Power Platform
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Platform
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Platform um in different projects at the the
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um in different projects at the the
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um in different projects at the the company I work
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company I work
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company I work for uh first example
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for uh first example
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for uh first example uh I want to share with you is a leave
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uh I want to share with you is a leave
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uh I want to share with you is a leave tracking
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tracking
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tracking Tool The Challenge was clear managing
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Tool The Challenge was clear managing
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Tool The Challenge was clear managing leave requests manually has becoming
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leave requests manually has becoming
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leave requests manually has becoming timec consuming and prone to errors uh
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timec consuming and prone to errors uh
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timec consuming and prone to errors uh as the team expanded to address this we
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as the team expanded to address this we
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as the team expanded to address this we built an app using power apps power
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built an app using power apps power
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built an app using power apps power automate powerbi and SharePoint that
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automate powerbi and SharePoint that
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automate powerbi and SharePoint that centralized all leave information making
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centralized all leave information making
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centralized all leave information making it easy accessible to everyone in the
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it easy accessible to everyone in the
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it easy accessible to everyone in the company employees could check their
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company employees could check their
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company employees could check their available vacation days and submit
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available vacation days and submit
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available vacation days and submit requests while managers had a stream uh
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requests while managers had a stream uh
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requests while managers had a stream uh streamlined workflow to
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streamlined workflow to
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streamlined workflow to review
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review
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review um and approve uh the leaves uhuh
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um and approve uh the leaves uhuh
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um and approve uh the leaves uhuh made yeah go ahead what made this tool
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made yeah go ahead what made this tool
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made yeah go ahead what made this tool especially powerful was it's multi- Lev
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especially powerful was it's multi- Lev
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especially powerful was it's multi- Lev approval mechanism which worked uh
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approval mechanism which worked uh
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approval mechanism which worked uh seamlessly even in complex organ
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seamlessly even in complex organ
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seamlessly even in complex organ ganization by automating this process
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ganization by automating this process
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ganization by automating this process the company not only saved time for HR
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the company not only saved time for HR
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the company not only saved time for HR teams but also created a transparent
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teams but also created a transparent
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teams but also created a transparent system that employees
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system that employees
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system that employees trusted uh another project I am
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trusted uh another project I am
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trusted uh another project I am particularly proud of uh is an AI
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particularly proud of uh is an AI
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particularly proud of uh is an AI powered uh invoice
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powered uh invoice
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powered uh invoice reader uh a client uh needed to process
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reader uh a client uh needed to process
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reader uh a client uh needed to process a large number of invoices and manually
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a large number of invoices and manually
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a large number of invoices and manually handling them uh was time
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handling them uh was time
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handling them uh was time consuming using the Power Platform we
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consuming using the Power Platform we
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consuming using the Power Platform we buil an app that incorporates AI Builder
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buil an app that incorporates AI Builder
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buil an app that incorporates AI Builder capabilities the app reads invoice
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capabilities the app reads invoice
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capabilities the app reads invoice documents identifies and extracts data
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documents identifies and extracts data
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documents identifies and extracts data such as vendor names dates
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such as vendor names dates
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such as vendor names dates amounts and automatically transfer this
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amounts and automatically transfer this
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amounts and automatically transfer this information H into an Excel seat or in
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information H into an Excel seat or in
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information H into an Excel seat or in other Integrated Systems this app
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other Integrated Systems this app
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other Integrated Systems this app transform a tendous manual task into a
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transform a tendous manual task into a
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transform a tendous manual task into a fast automated process significantly
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fast automated process significantly
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fast automated process significantly reducing errors and improving
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reducing errors and improving
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reducing errors and improving efficiency uh the third example I'd like
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efficiency uh the third example I'd like
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efficiency uh the third example I'd like to share is about the ticketing app we
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to share is about the ticketing app we
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to share is about the ticketing app we developed to improve internal support uh
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developed to improve internal support uh
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developed to improve internal support uh processes employees had been strugling
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processes employees had been strugling
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processes employees had been strugling with submitting and tracking support
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with submitting and tracking support
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with submitting and tracking support requests whether for IT issues um
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requests whether for IT issues um
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requests whether for IT issues um facilities or other internal uh service
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facilities or other internal uh service
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facilities or other internal uh service Services we build an app where users
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Services we build an app where users
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Services we build an app where users could log their requests with just a few
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could log their requests with just a few
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could log their requests with just a few clicks the app would automatically
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clicks the app would automatically
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clicks the app would automatically assign tickets to the appropriate team
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assign tickets to the appropriate team
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assign tickets to the appropriate team based on the type of issue prioritize
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based on the type of issue prioritize
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based on the type of issue prioritize them based on urgency and provide real
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them based on urgency and provide real
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them based on urgency and provide real time updates on the status of its ticket
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time updates on the status of its ticket
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time updates on the status of its ticket this drastically uh improved
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this drastically uh improved
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this drastically uh improved communication accountability and
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communication accountability and
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communication accountability and response times resulting in uh a more
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response times resulting in uh a more
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response times resulting in uh a more efficient and reliable support uh
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efficient and reliable support uh
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efficient and reliable support uh system last but not least uh we recently
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system last but not least uh we recently
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system last but not least uh we recently completed a project for a production
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completed a project for a production
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completed a project for a production line
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line
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line integration uh in this case we connected
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integration uh in this case we connected
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integration uh in this case we connected Erp systems with iot
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Erp systems with iot
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Erp systems with iot devices um realtime data was captured
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devices um realtime data was captured
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devices um realtime data was captured from machines processed through a custom
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from machines processed through a custom
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from machines processed through a custom build website and then integrated into
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build website and then integrated into
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build website and then integrated into the Erb system which we built using
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the Erb system which we built using
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the Erb system which we built using Dynamics
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Dynamics
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Dynamics 365 this allowed for better monitoring
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365 this allowed for better monitoring
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365 this allowed for better monitoring decision making and Automation in the
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decision making and Automation in the
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decision making and Automation in the production uh
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production uh
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production uh bres that's really interesting wow okay
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bres that's really interesting wow okay
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bres that's really interesting wow okay so clearly clearly we can use all kinds
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so clearly clearly we can use all kinds
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so clearly clearly we can use all kinds of of business cases with with this this
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of of business cases with with this this
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of of business cases with with this this Power Platform and and integrate and and
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Power Platform and and integrate and and
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Power Platform and and integrate and and do various things that's really wow okay
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do various things that's really wow okay
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do various things that's really wow okay I had actually I had no idea so that's
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I had actually I had no idea so that's
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I had actually I had no idea so that's that kind of blew me away a little bit
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that kind of blew me away a little bit
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that kind of blew me away a little bit there but um so the the people who are
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there but um so the the people who are
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there but um so the the people who are then building these applications using
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then building these applications using
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then building these applications using the Power Platform often referred to as
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the Power Platform often referred to as
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the Power Platform often referred to as citizen developers um should we talk a
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citizen developers um should we talk a
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citizen developers um should we talk a little bit about that who are these um
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little bit about that who are these um
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little bit about that who are these um citizen developers and why are they like
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citizen developers and why are they like
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citizen developers and why are they like in this picture here why are they part
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in this picture here why are they part
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in this picture here why are they part of this digital transformation
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of this digital transformation
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of this digital transformation story um citizen developers are becoming
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story um citizen developers are becoming
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story um citizen developers are becoming one of the most exciting parts of
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one of the most exciting parts of
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one of the most exciting parts of digital transformation within uh
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digital transformation within uh
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digital transformation within uh organization
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organization
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organization these are employees who without formal
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these are employees who without formal
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these are employees who without formal programming skills leverage low code and
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programming skills leverage low code and
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programming skills leverage low code and no code tools to build solutions to
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no code tools to build solutions to
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no code tools to build solutions to begin with they truly understand the
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begin with they truly understand the
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begin with they truly understand the business needs being on the front lines
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business needs being on the front lines
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business needs being on the front lines they experience the inefficiencies and
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they experience the inefficiencies and
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they experience the inefficiencies and challenges firsthand this allows them to
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challenges firsthand this allows them to
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challenges firsthand this allows them to create solutions that are practical
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create solutions that are practical
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create solutions that are practical targeted and directly address pain
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targeted and directly address pain
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targeted and directly address pain points in their workflows
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points in their workflows
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points in their workflows they also Drive Innovation instead of
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they also Drive Innovation instead of
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they also Drive Innovation instead of waiting for it to design and deliver
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waiting for it to design and deliver
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waiting for it to design and deliver solutions they can take matters into
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solutions they can take matters into
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solutions they can take matters into their own Heads This agility not only
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their own Heads This agility not only
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their own Heads This agility not only speeds up problem solving but also frees
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speeds up problem solving but also frees
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speeds up problem solving but also frees up it teams to focus on larger and more
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up it teams to focus on larger and more
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up it teams to focus on larger and more complex projects more importantly
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complex projects more importantly
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complex projects more importantly citizen developers bre the gap between
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citizen developers bre the gap between
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citizen developers bre the gap between business and it they are uniquely
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business and it they are uniquely
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business and it they are uniquely um positioned to translate business
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um positioned to translate business
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um positioned to translate business needs into actionable Technical
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needs into actionable Technical
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needs into actionable Technical Solutions this ensures that they
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Solutions this ensures that they
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Solutions this ensures that they create um that what they create is both
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create um that what they create is both
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create um that what they create is both functional from a technical perspective
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functional from a technical perspective
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functional from a technical perspective and re relevant to the organization
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and re relevant to the organization
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and re relevant to the organization goals the rise of Citizen developers is
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goals the rise of Citizen developers is
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goals the rise of Citizen developers is a part of a broader shift toward
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a part of a broader shift toward
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a part of a broader shift toward democratizing technology it's not longer
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democratizing technology it's not longer
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democratizing technology it's not longer just the IT department driving
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just the IT department driving
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just the IT department driving Innovation it's happening across all
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Innovation it's happening across all
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Innovation it's happening across all levels of the
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levels of the
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levels of the business uh this not only empowers
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business uh this not only empowers
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business uh this not only empowers employees but also enables organization
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employees but also enables organization
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employees but also enables organization to innovate faster and more
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to innovate faster and more
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to innovate faster and more effectively and I can tell you from a
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effectively and I can tell you from a
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effectively and I can tell you from a personal uh experience as a developer
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personal uh experience as a developer
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personal uh experience as a developer myself I've had the opportunity to
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myself I've had the opportunity to
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myself I've had the opportunity to collaborate with with citizen developers
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collaborate with with citizen developers
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collaborate with with citizen developers and I have seen firsthand how their
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and I have seen firsthand how their
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and I have seen firsthand how their insights and creativity enhance the
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insights and creativity enhance the
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insights and creativity enhance the solutions we build together they bring a
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solutions we build together they bring a
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solutions we build together they bring a deep understanding of business
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deep understanding of business
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deep understanding of business challenges while I focus on creating
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challenges while I focus on creating
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challenges while I focus on creating custom code where the Power Platform can
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custom code where the Power Platform can
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custom code where the Power Platform can do it this includes building
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do it this includes building
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do it this includes building Integrations adding uh unique
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Integrations adding uh unique
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Integrations adding uh unique functionalities or addressing high
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functionalities or addressing high
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functionalities or addressing high specific technical needs
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specific technical needs
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specific technical needs um it's this uh partnership combining
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um it's this uh partnership combining
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um it's this uh partnership combining business expertise with technical
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business expertise with technical
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business expertise with technical customization that truly drives a
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customization that truly drives a
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customization that truly drives a impactful impactful
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impactful impactful
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impactful impactful Innovation I get it so well I I couldn't
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Innovation I get it so well I I couldn't
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Innovation I get it so well I I couldn't agree more because um I'm from the the
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agree more because um I'm from the the
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agree more because um I'm from the the the deep it devb side of things of the
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the deep it devb side of things of the
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the deep it devb side of things of the world myself right so I I'll tell you a
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world myself right so I I'll tell you a
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world myself right so I I'll tell you a quick uh anecdote I was working for a
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quick uh anecdote I was working for a
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quick uh anecdote I was working for a customer some years ago it's actually
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customer some years ago it's actually
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customer some years ago it's actually many years ago now and uh there was in
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many years ago now and uh there was in
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many years ago now and uh there was in this company there was like a a kitchen
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this company there was like a a kitchen
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this company there was like a a kitchen place in the middle of the of their
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place in the middle of the of their
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place in the middle of the of their offices on the one side were were it and
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offices on the one side were were it and
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offices on the one side were were it and and all those people and developers in
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and all those people and developers in
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and all those people and developers in it and on the other side were more like
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it and on the other side were more like
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it and on the other side were more like all the other functions of the house
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all the other functions of the house
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all the other functions of the house like there was accounting and there was
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like there was accounting and there was
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like there was accounting and there was you know bookkeeping there there was
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you know bookkeeping there there was
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you know bookkeeping there there was there was like legal and and various
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there was like legal and and various
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there was like legal and and various marketing and other people were on the
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marketing and other people were on the
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marketing and other people were on the other side so was kind of split like
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other side so was kind of split like
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other side so was kind of split like that and um uh there were two people
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that and um uh there were two people
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that and um uh there were two people talking uh from them from the marketing
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talking uh from them from the marketing
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talking uh from them from the marketing side I think of the house and they were
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side I think of the house and they were
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side I think of the house and they were discussing something and one of the
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discussing something and one of the
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discussing something and one of the persons said well you have to go over
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persons said well you have to go over
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persons said well you have to go over there to to whatever to the IT people
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there to to whatever to the IT people
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there to to whatever to the IT people there and there and and talk to them
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there and there and and talk to them
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there and there and and talk to them about this and this and and they didn't
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about this and this and and they didn't
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about this and this and and they didn't know that I was listening but what they
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know that I was listening but what they
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know that I was listening but what they said was what the other person said was
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said was what the other person said was
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said was what the other person said was I don't I I I I don't dare to go over
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I don't I I I I don't dare to go over
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I don't I I I I don't dare to go over there to talk to them to those people
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there to talk to them to those people
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there to talk to them to those people right and this is this is what we're
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right and this is this is what we're
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right and this is this is what we're facing right there is this divide that
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facing right there is this divide that
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facing right there is this divide that doesn't have to be a kitchen but it can
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doesn't have to be a kitchen but it can
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doesn't have to be a kitchen but it can feel like this this this massive massive
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feel like this this this massive massive
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feel like this this this massive massive divide that you cannot Bridge you can't
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divide that you cannot Bridge you can't
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divide that you cannot Bridge you can't cross it and and this is now where you
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cross it and and this is now where you
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cross it and and this is now where you are saying that we can have uh citizen
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are saying that we can have uh citizen
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are saying that we can have uh citizen developers sort of translate uh between
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developers sort of translate uh between
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developers sort of translate uh between the two is that is that what
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the two is that is that what
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the two is that is that what you're yeah that's very very interesting
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you're yeah that's very very interesting
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you're yeah that's very very interesting so so okay so what about that
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so so okay so what about that
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so so okay so what about that collaboration then with it I mean if
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collaboration then with it I mean if
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collaboration then with it I mean if you're
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you're
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you're building something simple with just an
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building something simple with just an
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building something simple with just an Excel spreadsheet and stuff then well I
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Excel spreadsheet and stuff then well I
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Excel spreadsheet and stuff then well I guess then it's easy um in a sense can
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guess then it's easy um in a sense can
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guess then it's easy um in a sense can still be complex but it's not really a
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still be complex but it's not really a
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still be complex but it's not really a you know a big heavy hitting data store
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you know a big heavy hitting data store
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you know a big heavy hitting data store somewhere that you need to access with
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somewhere that you need to access with
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somewhere that you need to access with some weird way um you need to talk and
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some weird way um you need to talk and
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some weird way um you need to talk and build between the um it of the house and
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build between the um it of the house and
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build between the um it of the house and the Power Platform so how can how can
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the Power Platform so how can how can
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the Power Platform so how can how can this how can these people collaborate
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this how can these people collaborate
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this how can these people collaborate how can they how can it support uh
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how can they how can it support uh
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how can they how can it support uh citizen developers with well whatever it
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citizen developers with well whatever it
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citizen developers with well whatever it is that they have how does that
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is that they have how does that
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is that they have how does that work um while citizen developers are a
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work um while citizen developers are a
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work um while citizen developers are a key part of the Power Platform success
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key part of the Power Platform success
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key part of the Power Platform success of course it plays a critical role in
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of course it plays a critical role in
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of course it plays a critical role in making sure their work is scalable
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making sure their work is scalable
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making sure their work is scalable secure and align with the organization
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secure and align with the organization
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secure and align with the organization overall goals it's really about uh
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overall goals it's really about uh
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overall goals it's really about uh collaboration as we said
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collaboration as we said
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collaboration as we said before uh one way I supports this uh is
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before uh one way I supports this uh is
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before uh one way I supports this uh is by setting guard rails for example it
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by setting guard rails for example it
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by setting guard rails for example it can Define policies to ensure that
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can Define policies to ensure that
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can Define policies to ensure that Solutions meet compliance requirements
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Solutions meet compliance requirements
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Solutions meet compliance requirements data is kept secure and there's a level
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data is kept secure and there's a level
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data is kept secure and there's a level of
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of
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of standardization across the
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standardization across the
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standardization across the organization another important role of
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organization another important role of
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organization another important role of ID is providing training and guidance
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ID is providing training and guidance
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ID is providing training and guidance many citizen developers are new to tools
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many citizen developers are new to tools
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many citizen developers are new to tools like power ups or power automate uh so I
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like power ups or power automate uh so I
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like power ups or power automate uh so I they can step in to offer best practices
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they can step in to offer best practices
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they can step in to offer best practices and show them how to use the platform
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and show them how to use the platform
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and show them how to use the platform effectively this helps Foster
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effectively this helps Foster
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effectively this helps Foster responsible Innovation and ensures that
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responsible Innovation and ensures that
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responsible Innovation and ensures that the solutions being built are high
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the solutions being built are high
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the solutions being built are high quality finally it is C crucial uh when
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quality finally it is C crucial uh when
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quality finally it is C crucial uh when it comes to scaling Solutions Ops and
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it comes to scaling Solutions Ops and
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it comes to scaling Solutions Ops and automations created by citiz and
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automations created by citiz and
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automations created by citiz and developers often start small solving a
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developers often start small solving a
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developers often start small solving a specific problem for a team or
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specific problem for a team or
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specific problem for a team or Department it can help take these
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Department it can help take these
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Department it can help take these solutions to the next level making them
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solutions to the next level making them
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solutions to the next level making them more robust integrating with integrating
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more robust integrating with integrating
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more robust integrating with integrating them with other systems and deploying
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them with other systems and deploying
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them with other systems and deploying them um organization wide if needed so
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them um organization wide if needed so
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them um organization wide if needed so this partnership between it business uh
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this partnership between it business uh
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this partnership between it business uh users isn't just a nice to have it's the
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users isn't just a nice to have it's the
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users isn't just a nice to have it's the foundation for leveraging the Power
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foundation for leveraging the Power
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foundation for leveraging the Power Platform in a way that both you know
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Platform in a way that both you know
16:58
Platform in a way that both you know inovative and
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inovative and
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inovative and sustainable uh when ID and business
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sustainable uh when ID and business
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sustainable uh when ID and business teams collaborate everyone
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teams collaborate everyone
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teams collaborate everyone wins that's absolutely true um that's
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wins that's absolutely true um that's
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wins that's absolutely true um that's definitely true and and I I I appreciate
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definitely true and and I I I appreciate
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definitely true and and I I I appreciate that how how you identify that it's it
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that how how you identify that it's it
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that how how you identify that it's it may start small and and solve a specific
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may start small and and solve a specific
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may start small and and solve a specific problem and and it works maybe for a
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problem and and it works maybe for a
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problem and and it works maybe for a long time at some point maybe it needs
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long time at some point maybe it needs
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long time at some point maybe it needs to just become much larger I don't know
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to just become much larger I don't know
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to just become much larger I don't know how many times over my across my career
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how many times over my across my career
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how many times over my across my career I have seen that you you know we have
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I have seen that you you know we have
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I have seen that you you know we have this small tool that we just built for
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this small tool that we just built for
17:36
this small tool that we just built for the office no problem and then you know
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the office no problem and then you know
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the office no problem and then you know some months later some manager comes
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some months later some manager comes
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some months later some manager comes along that awesome tool that we have
17:42
along that awesome tool that we have
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along that awesome tool that we have let's ship that to the customer and
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let's ship that to the customer and
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let's ship that to the customer and that's a whole other thing right yeah it
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that's a whole other thing right yeah it
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that's a whole other thing right yeah it happens all the time so I'm glad that
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happens all the time so I'm glad that
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happens all the time so I'm glad that you identified that because that's it's
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you identified that because that's it's
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you identified that because that's it's exactly what I have seen myself all
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exactly what I have seen myself all
17:55
exactly what I have seen myself all right brilliant so let's you know before
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right brilliant so let's you know before
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right brilliant so let's you know before we round off let's spend a few minutes
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we round off let's spend a few minutes
18:01
we round off let's spend a few minutes talking about maybe if you have some
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talking about maybe if you have some
18:04
talking about maybe if you have some practical advice on how do I get started
18:07
practical advice on how do I get started
18:07
practical advice on how do I get started with Power Platform if we haven't done
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with Power Platform if we haven't done
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with Power Platform if we haven't done any um you know maybe I'm I'm there in a
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any um you know maybe I'm I'm there in a
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any um you know maybe I'm I'm there in a company and and I I know there's this
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company and and I I know there's this
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company and and I I know there's this thing that I could fix if only I had the
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thing that I could fix if only I had the
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thing that I could fix if only I had the tools to build it um so how do I adopt
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tools to build it um so how do I adopt
18:19
tools to build it um so how do I adopt how do I how do you encourage people to
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how do I how do you encourage people to
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how do I how do you encourage people to adopt these like low code or or no code
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adopt these like low code or or no code
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adopt these like low code or or no code uh tools within an organization how do
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uh tools within an organization how do
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uh tools within an organization how do you do this MH uh first and foremost
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you do this MH uh first and foremost
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you do this MH uh first and foremost Microsoft learn is the best starting
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Microsoft learn is the best starting
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Microsoft learn is the best starting point uh yeah Microsoft loves when we
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point uh yeah Microsoft loves when we
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point uh yeah Microsoft loves when we say Microsoft learn it's learn.
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say Microsoft learn it's learn.
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say Microsoft learn it's learn. microsoft.com Tada yeah I was an
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microsoft.com Tada yeah I was an
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microsoft.com Tada yeah I was an ambassador before so yeah exactly so
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ambassador before so yeah exactly so
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ambassador before so yeah exactly so that's important all right brilliant so
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that's important all right brilliant so
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that's important all right brilliant so learn is is a starting point yeah it's
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learn is is a starting point yeah it's
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learn is is a starting point yeah it's the best research for anyone interested
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the best research for anyone interested
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the best research for anyone interested in Microsoft Technologies
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in Microsoft Technologies
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in Microsoft Technologies whether you are a complete beginner or
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whether you are a complete beginner or
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whether you are a complete beginner or looking to deepen your
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looking to deepen your
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looking to deepen your expertise yeah next uh I said it before
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expertise yeah next uh I said it before
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expertise yeah next uh I said it before but start small pick a simple repetitive
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but start small pick a simple repetitive
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but start small pick a simple repetitive task in your daily work something that
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task in your daily work something that
19:15
task in your daily work something that could be automated or made more
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could be automated or made more
19:18
could be automated or made more efficient for example you might automate
19:20
efficient for example you might automate
19:21
efficient for example you might automate an approval process with part tomate or
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an approval process with part tomate or
19:23
an approval process with part tomate or build a small app with power apps uh to
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build a small app with power apps uh to
19:27
build a small app with power apps uh to track um
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track um
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track um updates uh starting with a manageable
19:33
updates uh starting with a manageable
19:33
updates uh starting with a manageable project allows you to explore the
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project allows you to explore the
19:35
project allows you to explore the platform's capabilities without feeling
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platform's capabilities without feeling
19:38
platform's capabilities without feeling overwhelmed another tip uh collaborate
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overwhelmed another tip uh collaborate
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overwhelmed another tip uh collaborate with it early on they can guide you on
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with it early on they can guide you on
19:45
with it early on they can guide you on how to align your Solutions with
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how to align your Solutions with
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how to align your Solutions with organizational standards and can also
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organizational standards and can also
19:51
organizational standards and can also help you understand how to integrate
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help you understand how to integrate
19:54
help you understand how to integrate your Solutions with existing systems
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your Solutions with existing systems
19:57
your Solutions with existing systems making them more impactful
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making them more impactful
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making them more impactful finally don't forget to connect with the
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finally don't forget to connect with the
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finally don't forget to connect with the Power Platform
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Power Platform
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Power Platform Community there's a vibrant Network for
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Community there's a vibrant Network for
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Community there's a vibrant Network for users out there sharing tips successful
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users out there sharing tips successful
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users out there sharing tips successful uh stories and
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uh stories and
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uh stories and advice and you will find forums blogs
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advice and you will find forums blogs
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advice and you will find forums blogs local user groups and events that can
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local user groups and events that can
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local user groups and events that can inspire you and help you grow your
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inspire you and help you grow your
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inspire you and help you grow your skills even faster ah well and if you're
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skills even faster ah well and if you're
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skills even faster ah well and if you're really lucky then you'll have Marana as
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really lucky then you'll have Marana as
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really lucky then you'll have Marana as your as your presenter somewhere at some
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your as your presenter somewhere at some
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your as your presenter somewhere at some Community Meetup
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Community Meetup
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Community Meetup somewhere that might happen all right I
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somewhere that might happen all right I
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somewhere that might happen all right I love those tips because I I you know you
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love those tips because I I you know you
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love those tips because I I you know you know as well you're the same as me there
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know as well you're the same as me there
20:39
know as well you're the same as me there I absolutely love community and it's the
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I absolutely love community and it's the
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I absolutely love community and it's the most important way in my own uh you know
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most important way in my own uh you know
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most important way in my own uh you know opinion to um learn is to learn together
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opinion to um learn is to learn together
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opinion to um learn is to learn together with other pass like-minded passionate
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with other pass like-minded passionate
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with other pass like-minded passionate people that's the most
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people that's the most
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people that's the most important well I want to really really
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important well I want to really really
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important well I want to really really thank you deeply for being on the cloud
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thank you deeply for being on the cloud
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thank you deeply for being on the cloud show today it's been inspiring and it's
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show today it's been inspiring and it's
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show today it's been inspiring and it's been really really useful but we're at
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been really really useful but we're at
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been really really useful but we're at the end of the show so thank you so much
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the end of the show so thank you so much
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the end of the show so thank you so much Maria Anastasia for being on the cloud
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Maria Anastasia for being on the cloud
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Maria Anastasia for being on the cloud show and audience we'll see you guys
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