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The Cloud Show with Magnus Mårtensson ft. Tiago Costa - Ep: 56
Aug 6, 2025
Join this live session with Magnus Mårtensson ft. Tiago Costa for the next episode of The Cloud Show with Magnus Mårtensson on February 5, at 01:05 PM (EST). The show is about cloud leadership and all the important questions relating to cloud projects. Certainly, many matters when a company is going to and wants to be successful in the cloud, are about technology. However, there are many additional matters, adjacent to technology, that we also need to tend to regarding business strategy, human resources, organizational change, planning for a technical cloud approach, and many more questions. These conversations are critical for a healthy cloud and for a swift and accurate cloud approach. GUEST SPEAKER Tiago Costa is an MCT (Microsoft Certified Trainer), and he delivers training in Microsoft Azure - Fundamentals, Administration, Developer, Security, DevOps, and Solution Architect. He is fully certified in all those areas. 📺 CSharp TV - Dev Streaming Destination http://csharp.tv 🌎 C# Corner - Community of Software and Data Developers https://www.c-sharpcorner.com #CSharpTV #csharpcorner #TheCloudShow #CSharp #Interview
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hello everyone welcome back to another
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hello everyone welcome back to another
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hello everyone welcome back to another episode of the cloud show recorded live
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episode of the cloud show recorded live
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episode of the cloud show recorded live at the espc conference in Stockholm it
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at the espc conference in Stockholm it
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at the espc conference in Stockholm it is an amazing huge conference with so
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is an amazing huge conference with so
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is an amazing huge conference with so many good speakers and so many good
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many good speakers and so many good
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many good speakers and so many good friends of mine that I'm so happy that I
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friends of mine that I'm so happy that I
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friends of mine that I'm so happy that I get to talk to here at espc I am going
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get to talk to here at espc I am going
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get to talk to here at espc I am going to have the next conversation on the
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to have the next conversation on the
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to have the next conversation on the cloud show about Azure governance how do
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cloud show about Azure governance how do
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cloud show about Azure governance how do you do that what do you set up to govern
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you do that what do you set up to govern
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you do that what do you set up to govern your Cloud estate because there is a lot
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your Cloud estate because there is a lot
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your Cloud estate because there is a lot of uh business value and a lot of cost
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of uh business value and a lot of cost
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of uh business value and a lot of cost and a lot of time involved and you need
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and a lot of time involved and you need
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and a lot of time involved and you need to do things in a really good way the
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to do things in a really good way the
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to do things in a really good way the star of this episode today is a really
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star of this episode today is a really
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star of this episode today is a really good friend of mine a superstar in Asher
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good friend of mine a superstar in Asher
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good friend of mine a superstar in Asher it's Thiago
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it's Thiago
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it's Thiago [Music]
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[Music]
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[Music] Costa hello Thiago what's up hi Magnus
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Costa hello Thiago what's up hi Magnus
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Costa hello Thiago what's up hi Magnus all good I'm enjoying here the espc
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all good I'm enjoying here the espc
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all good I'm enjoying here the espc conference I just did my session oh yeah
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conference I just did my session oh yeah
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conference I just did my session oh yeah and was amazing huge audience lots and
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and was amazing huge audience lots and
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and was amazing huge audience lots and lots of questions oh great so yeah great
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lots of questions oh great so yeah great
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lots of questions oh great so yeah great I would say the tech level at this
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I would say the tech level at this
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I would say the tech level at this conference not only the speakers and the
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conference not only the speakers and the
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conference not only the speakers and the content but the the attendees have a
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content but the the attendees have a
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content but the the attendees have a very high level of tech no no no correct
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very high level of tech no no no correct
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very high level of tech no no no correct yeah uh by the questions that I got you
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yeah uh by the questions that I got you
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yeah uh by the questions that I got you know super experienced people nice they
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know super experienced people nice they
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know super experienced people nice they know what they're coming from they they
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know what they're coming from they they
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know what they're coming from they they are here to get more knowledge to solve
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are here to get more knowledge to solve
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are here to get more knowledge to solve you know small issues that they might
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you know small issues that they might
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you know small issues that they might have in their work um yeah great great a
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have in their work um yeah great great a
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have in their work um yeah great great a and and there's a lot of knowledge
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and and there's a lot of knowledge
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and and there's a lot of knowledge flowing back and forth that's wonderful
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flowing back and forth that's wonderful
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flowing back and forth that's wonderful that's exactly what a conference should
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that's exactly what a conference should
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that's exactly what a conference should be like I love it all right so tell the
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be like I love it all right so tell the
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be like I love it all right so tell the audience uh who are you Thiago where are
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audience uh who are you Thiago where are
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audience uh who are you Thiago where are you from and what do you do yeah so yeah
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you from and what do you do yeah so yeah
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you from and what do you do yeah so yeah my name is Thiago I'm uh based in lisban
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my name is Thiago I'm uh based in lisban
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my name is Thiago I'm uh based in lisban Portugal um I work in Azure okay
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Portugal um I work in Azure okay
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Portugal um I work in Azure okay surprise surprise and you know I've been
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surprise surprise and you know I've been
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surprise surprise and you know I've been working in Azure since the it was called
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working in Azure since the it was called
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working in Azure since the it was called Red Dog I'm sure you know the name which
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Red Dog I'm sure you know the name which
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Red Dog I'm sure you know the name which is for the audience the younger y
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is for the audience the younger y
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is for the audience the younger y it's the it's the code name of you know
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it's the it's the code name of you know
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it's the it's the code name of you know when this was in preview preview preview
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when this was in preview preview preview
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when this was in preview preview preview um of the cloud services for Microsoft
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um of the cloud services for Microsoft
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um of the cloud services for Microsoft and then it came out as as Windows Azure
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and then it came out as as Windows Azure
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and then it came out as as Windows Azure Windows Azure yeah yeah and then they
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Windows Azure yeah yeah and then they
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Windows Azure yeah yeah and then they they rename it to Microsoft Azure which
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they rename it to Microsoft Azure which
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they rename it to Microsoft Azure which is what we still have today let's see
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is what we still have today let's see
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is what we still have today let's see that no one from marketing from
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that no one from marketing from
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that no one from marketing from Microsoft is watching don't Rebrand no
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Microsoft is watching don't Rebrand no
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Microsoft is watching don't Rebrand no please it's great name and yeah so Bas
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please it's great name and yeah so Bas
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please it's great name and yeah so Bas I'm based in Lisbon and I work uh as I
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I'm based in Lisbon and I work uh as I
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I'm based in Lisbon and I work uh as I do Consulting I do training content
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do Consulting I do training content
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do Consulting I do training content creation and I speak in conferences like
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creation and I speak in conferences like
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creation and I speak in conferences like this one here today exactly and we're
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this one here today exactly and we're
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this one here today exactly and we're very happy to have you at the conference
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very happy to have you at the conference
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very happy to have you at the conference so let's let's let's talk about
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so let's let's let's talk about
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so let's let's let's talk about governance so governance means that you
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governance so governance means that you
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governance so governance means that you a company is is making a bet on using
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a company is is making a bet on using
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a company is is making a bet on using the cloud and they are buying Cloud
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the cloud and they are buying Cloud
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the cloud and they are buying Cloud somehow there are various ways to do so
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somehow there are various ways to do so
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somehow there are various ways to do so but they're investing money into
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but they're investing money into
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but they're investing money into actually using the cloud platform plus
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actually using the cloud platform plus
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actually using the cloud platform plus they are investing time and effort and
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they are investing time and effort and
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they are investing time and effort and it can be Mission business critical
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it can be Mission business critical
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it can be Mission business critical stuff that is running there if the
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stuff that is running there if the
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stuff that is running there if the service that runs there goes down the
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service that runs there goes down the
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service that runs there goes down the the company might lose everything right
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the company might lose everything right
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the company might lose everything right yeah right so you need to be on top of
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yeah right so you need to be on top of
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yeah right so you need to be on top of your game here and this is spelled
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your game here and this is spelled
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your game here and this is spelled governance right so how do we do that so
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governance right so how do we do that so
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governance right so how do we do that so F first of all I can tell you the way
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F first of all I can tell you the way
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F first of all I can tell you the way that this should be done all right and
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that this should be done all right and
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that this should be done all right and then I can tell you the way that
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then I can tell you the way that
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then I can tell you the way that actually it is done in the wild okay
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actually it is done in the wild okay
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actually it is done in the wild okay fantastic that sounds amazing yeah so
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fantastic that sounds amazing yeah so
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fantastic that sounds amazing yeah so the way that this should be done is so
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the way that this should be done is so
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the way that this should be done is so governance and a strategy on how to move
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governance and a strategy on how to move
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governance and a strategy on how to move to the cloud y should be something that
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to the cloud y should be something that
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to the cloud y should be something that you know you should do before you create
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you know you should do before you create
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you know you should do before you create your first resource okay and you're
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your first resource okay and you're
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your first resource okay and you're laughing because you know that's never
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laughing because you know that's never
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laughing because you know that's never going to happen you should have you
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going to happen you should have you
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going to happen you should have you should have a proper plan that's what he
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should have a proper plan that's what he
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should have a proper plan that's what he saying exactly you should you should you
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saying exactly you should you should you
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saying exactly you should you should you should plan you know um it's like when
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should plan you know um it's like when
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should plan you know um it's like when you go on holidays you just don't say
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you go on holidays you just don't say
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you go on holidays you just don't say hey I'm going on holidays and then you
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hey I'm going on holidays and then you
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hey I'm going on holidays and then you step in the car and then where are we
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step in the car and then where are we
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step in the car and then where are we going let's get into the car you you
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going let's get into the car you you
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going let's get into the car you you plan right you you find a place you
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plan right you you find a place you
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plan right you you find a place you decide where to go correct and all that
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decide where to go correct and all that
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decide where to go correct and all that you know book A book a hotel room maybe
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you know book A book a hotel room maybe
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you know book A book a hotel room maybe some activities that you're going to do
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some activities that you're going to do
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some activities that you're going to do yeah yeah I get it I get it that's a
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yeah yeah I get it I get it that's a
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yeah yeah I get it I get it that's a good analogy the thing is I'm sure
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good analogy the thing is I'm sure
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good analogy the thing is I'm sure people are so excited in using Azure oh
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people are so excited in using Azure oh
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people are so excited in using Azure oh yeah that they just go create resources
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yeah that they just go create resources
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yeah that they just go create resources you know but that's not the proper way
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you know but that's not the proper way
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you know but that's not the proper way the proper way is first you know yeah we
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the proper way is first you know yeah we
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the proper way is first you know yeah we need to set what we call a governance
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need to set what we call a governance
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need to set what we call a governance plan uh which answers questions like why
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plan uh which answers questions like why
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plan uh which answers questions like why are we using the club
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are we using the club
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are we using the club okay we do questions like why we chose
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okay we do questions like why we chose
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okay we do questions like why we chose Azure not other platforms you know why
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Azure not other platforms you know why
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Azure not other platforms you know why we're going to choose for example let's
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we're going to choose for example let's
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we're going to choose for example let's just say storage accounts Y and how are
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just say storage accounts Y and how are
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just say storage accounts Y and how are we going to use those and and those are
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we going to use those and and those are
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we going to use those and and those are like it's some people think this is a
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like it's some people think this is a
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like it's some people think this is a little bit boring because we're doing
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little bit boring because we're doing
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little bit boring because we're doing like a lot of meetings with security
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like a lot of meetings with security
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like a lot of meetings with security teams with legal teams within the
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teams with legal teams within the
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teams with legal teams within the company but we actually need to set the
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company but we actually need to set the
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company but we actually need to set the stage on how to use each individual
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stage on how to use each individual
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stage on how to use each individual service and look it goes
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service and look it goes
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service and look it goes let's just talk about storage accounts
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let's just talk about storage accounts
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let's just talk about storage accounts as an example it's a good example it's
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as an example it's a good example it's
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as an example it's a good example it's it's a very it's a very straightforward
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it's a very it's a very straightforward
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it's a very it's a very straightforward and simple uh resource because you store
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and simple uh resource because you store
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and simple uh resource because you store your files in the St simple simple as
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your files in the St simple simple as
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your files in the St simple simple as that are you going to allow to have blob
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that are you going to allow to have blob
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that are you going to allow to have blob containers that are publicly accessible
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containers that are publicly accessible
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containers that are publicly accessible for read or as a old you say no I will
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for read or as a old you say no I will
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for read or as a old you say no I will never use this for that part that's a
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never use this for that part that's a
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never use this for that part that's a decision that you need to do or within
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decision that you need to do or within
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decision that you need to do or within certain Scopes like you know I have some
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certain Scopes like you know I have some
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certain Scopes like you know I have some subscription that are for public you
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subscription that are for public you
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subscription that are for public you know websites and I have other
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know websites and I have other
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know websites and I have other subscriptions for private stuff for like
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subscriptions for private stuff for like
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subscriptions for private stuff for like business services that are internal yeah
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business services that are internal yeah
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business services that are internal yeah yeah for the private ones you say no
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yeah for the private ones you say no
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yeah for the private ones you say no there's no public containers so that's
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there's no public containers so that's
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there's no public containers so that's something that you know we go and we
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something that you know we go and we
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something that you know we go and we take note of that and then later we can
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take note of that and then later we can
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take note of that and then later we can enforce those using Azure policies for
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enforce those using Azure policies for
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enforce those using Azure policies for example so you put a policy in place to
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example so you put a policy in place to
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example so you put a policy in place to guard the uh behavior that you're
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guard the uh behavior that you're
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guard the uh behavior that you're seeking yeah usually we even say that
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seeking yeah usually we even say that
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seeking yeah usually we even say that like putting guard rails you know into
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like putting guard rails you know into
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like putting guard rails you know into uh the usage of azure and and of course
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uh the usage of azure and and of course
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uh the usage of azure and and of course look we can go and we can go deeper into
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look we can go and we can go deeper into
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look we can go and we can go deeper into storage accounts and say every option
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storage accounts and say every option
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storage accounts and say every option that you have in storage accounts are
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that you have in storage accounts are
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that you have in storage accounts are you going to Define this and it goes
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you going to Define this and it goes
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you going to Define this and it goes even beyond that it's it goes to like
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even beyond that it's it goes to like
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even beyond that it's it goes to like naming conventions yeah naming
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naming conventions yeah naming
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naming conventions yeah naming conventions look you're not going to
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conventions look you're not going to
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conventions look you're not going to call a storage account like hey what's
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call a storage account like hey what's
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call a storage account like hey what's the name of this storage account now and
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the name of this storage account now and
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the name of this storage account now and I'll just call it a magnos I'll call it
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I'll just call it a magnos I'll call it
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I'll just call it a magnos I'll call it John Magnus or potatoes no you need to
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John Magnus or potatoes no you need to
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John Magnus or potatoes no you need to make sure that it makes sense to
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make sure that it makes sense to
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make sure that it makes sense to everyone involved on those projects so
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everyone involved on those projects so
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everyone involved on those projects so that's why we create naming conventions
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that's why we create naming conventions
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that's why we create naming conventions this is why we have naming conventions
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this is why we have naming conventions
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this is why we have naming conventions for ears right so we also need to look
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for ears right so we also need to look
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for ears right so we also need to look for and say okay storage accounts this
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for and say okay storage accounts this
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for and say okay storage accounts this is the naming convention for storage
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is the naming convention for storage
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is the naming convention for storage accounts period done and we're good that
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accounts period done and we're good that
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accounts period done and we're good that makes sense because down the line down
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makes sense because down the line down
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makes sense because down the line down streams you will if you're big and and
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streams you will if you're big and and
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streams you will if you're big and and and successful you'll be having hundreds
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and successful you'll be having hundreds
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and successful you'll be having hundreds of storage account maybe who knows right
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of storage account maybe who knows right
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of storage account maybe who knows right it could be a lot of them and then you
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it could be a lot of them and then you
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it could be a lot of them and then you want to know which is what which is for
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want to know which is what which is for
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want to know which is what which is for what exactly right very easily you just
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what exactly right very easily you just
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what exactly right very easily you just by the name you know you pick that up
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by the name you know you pick that up
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by the name you know you pick that up boom I identify this is the storage
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boom I identify this is the storage
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boom I identify this is the storage account of something so and so yeah
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account of something so and so yeah
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account of something so and so yeah exactly and and and even for example if
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exactly and and and even for example if
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exactly and and and even for example if there is let's say that there is a
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there is let's say that there is a
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there is let's say that there is a problem Downstream that there is a
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problem Downstream that there is a
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problem Downstream that there is a security breach or some some issue that
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security breach or some some issue that
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security breach or some some issue that you have to go and investigate you want
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you have to go and investigate you want
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you have to go and investigate you want to very very quickly be able to know
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to very very quickly be able to know
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to very very quickly be able to know exactly where is this problem happening
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exactly where is this problem happening
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exactly where is this problem happening uh so that you can find the the source
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uh so that you can find the the source
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uh so that you can find the the source of the problem immediately and not just
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of the problem immediately and not just
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of the problem immediately and not just guess around oh this is a St account
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guess around oh this is a St account
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guess around oh this is a St account named Magnus or
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named Magnus or
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named Magnus or potatoes we have no what is what do we
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potatoes we have no what is what do we
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potatoes we have no what is what do we store in the in the storage account of
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store in the in the storage account of
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store in the in the storage account of potatoes we have no idea no exactly look
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potatoes we have no idea no exactly look
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potatoes we have no idea no exactly look I I I I had a customer was not this year
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I I I I had a customer was not this year
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I I I I had a customer was not this year was last year already that we had was
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was last year already that we had was
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was last year already that we had was virtual machines and we had thousands of
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virtual machines and we had thousands of
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virtual machines and we had thousands of virtual machines and some of them were
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virtual machines and some of them were
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virtual machines and some of them were idled and we were like it's like 100ish
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idled and we were like it's like 100ish
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idled and we were like it's like 100ish that were idle I don't know what this is
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that were idle I don't know what this is
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that were idle I don't know what this is and that like we had viral machines yeah
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and that like we had viral machines yeah
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and that like we had viral machines yeah at least from those 100ish probably like
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at least from those 100ish probably like
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at least from those 100ish probably like four or five that the name was
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four or five that the name was
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four or five that the name was vm1 ah okay
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vm1 ah okay
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vm1 ah okay vm1 and I'm like okay great I still had
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vm1 and I'm like okay great I still had
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vm1 and I'm like okay great I still had one machine that was called vm2 oh so I
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one machine that was called vm2 oh so I
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one machine that was called vm2 oh so I assume because it was in the same
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assume because it was in the same
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assume because it was in the same Resource Group as another VM one that uh
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Resource Group as another VM one that uh
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Resource Group as another VM one that uh maybe they have something to do with
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maybe they have something to do with
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maybe they have something to do with each other okay but literally there was
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each other okay but literally there was
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each other okay but literally there was nothing more okay they were idle so we
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nothing more okay they were idle so we
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nothing more okay they were idle so we had to use a process that's called The
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had to use a process that's called The
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had to use a process that's called The Scream test uh which basically test yeah
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Scream test uh which basically test yeah
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Scream test uh which basically test yeah yeah it's actually the technical name of
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yeah it's actually the technical name of
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yeah it's actually the technical name of that and so we started to turn off those
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that and so we started to turn off those
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that and so we started to turn off those machines and stop the machines L just
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machines and stop the machines L just
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machines and stop the machines L just for that actually we're losing we're
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for that actually we're losing we're
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for that actually we're losing we're removing connectivity not turning them
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removing connectivity not turning them
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removing connectivity not turning them off but removing connectivity for the
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off but removing connectivity for the
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off but removing connectivity for the machines for a few minutes a day until
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machines for a few minutes a day until
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machines for a few minutes a day until we put it more time more time until we
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we put it more time more time until we
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we put it more time more time until we actually shut them down and we're
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actually shut them down and we're
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actually shut them down and we're waiting for someone to come and scream
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waiting for someone to come and scream
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waiting for someone to come and scream come and scream exactly why is my
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come and scream exactly why is my
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come and scream exactly why is my machine turned off exactly and guess
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machine turned off exactly and guess
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machine turned off exactly and guess what did someone come yeah we had one oh
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what did someone come yeah we had one oh
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what did someone come yeah we had one oh yeah one person one machine after his
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yeah one person one machine after his
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yeah one person one machine after his was turned off for a week uh and I think
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was turned off for a week uh and I think
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was turned off for a week uh and I think was kind of a development environment
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was kind of a development environment
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was kind of a development environment you know for something Etc that the guy
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you know for something Etc that the guy
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you know for something Etc that the guy said hey s but I I actually need that
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said hey s but I I actually need that
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said hey s but I I actually need that but I actually don't use it that much I
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but I actually don't use it that much I
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but I actually don't use it that much I was like okay but you know you can start
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was like okay but you know you can start
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was like okay but you know you can start and stop machines that's right and and
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and stop machines that's right and and
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and stop machines that's right and and so now we're talking about cost
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so now we're talking about cost
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so now we're talking about cost optimization right yeah which which
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optimization right yeah which which
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optimization right yeah which which that's why I wanted to to go there
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that's why I wanted to to go there
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that's why I wanted to to go there because governance is not just security
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because governance is not just security
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because governance is not just security and security is not just naming
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and security is not just naming
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and security is not just naming conventions it's also there is a part on
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conventions it's also there is a part on
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conventions it's also there is a part on cost optimization yes okay like one of
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cost optimization yes okay like one of
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cost optimization yes okay like one of the tricks that I do and this is like
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the tricks that I do and this is like
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the tricks that I do and this is like valuable information to everyone okay
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valuable information to everyone okay
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valuable information to everyone okay listen
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listen
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listen up if you do reserved instances for
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up if you do reserved instances for
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up if you do reserved instances for virtual machines yes oh so reserved
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virtual machines yes oh so reserved
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virtual machines yes oh so reserved instances quickly reserved instances are
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instances quickly reserved instances are
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instances quickly reserved instances are what so reserved instances you're just
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what so reserved instances you're just
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what so reserved instances you're just going to do a commitment with Microsoft
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going to do a commitment with Microsoft
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going to do a commitment with Microsoft saying in that region
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saying in that region
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saying in that region yeah I'm going to use let's just say 10
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yeah I'm going to use let's just say 10
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yeah I'm going to use let's just say 10 vmm of that family that size so you say
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vmm of that family that size so you say
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vmm of that family that size so you say that up front I'm going to use these
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that up front I'm going to use these
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that up front I'm going to use these yeah and Microsoft for how long for a
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yeah and Microsoft for how long for a
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yeah and Microsoft for how long for a year or three years that's a for BM
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year or three years that's a for BM
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year or three years that's a for BM that's a commitment pay in advance uh
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that's a commitment pay in advance uh
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that's a commitment pay in advance uh you can actually pay every month okay
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you can actually pay every month okay
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you can actually pay every month okay but you you still you still a proper
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but you you still you still a proper
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but you you still you still a proper commit I'm going to use this and what
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commit I'm going to use this and what
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commit I'm going to use this and what happens when I commit to that so a huge
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happens when I commit to that so a huge
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happens when I commit to that so a huge discount I get 80% 70% it depends on the
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discount I get 80% 70% it depends on the
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discount I get 80% 70% it depends on the Reg so I know if I have a plan ha that
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Reg so I know if I have a plan ha that
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Reg so I know if I have a plan ha that tells me I will be using these VMS for a
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tells me I will be using these VMS for a
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tells me I will be using these VMS for a long time because they are part of
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long time because they are part of
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long time because they are part of something important that we use them for
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something important that we use them for
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something important that we use them for I will use them for a long time then
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I will use them for a long time then
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I will use them for a long time then that commit is very valuable to me
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that commit is very valuable to me
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that commit is very valuable to me exactly okay but now what happens if you
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exactly okay but now what happens if you
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exactly okay but now what happens if you never did any governance in any kind
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never did any governance in any kind
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never did any governance in any kind yeah and you know you have lots of
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yeah and you know you have lots of
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yeah and you know you have lots of workloads using completely different
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workloads using completely different
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workloads using completely different sizes yep of virtual machines virtu
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sizes yep of virtual machines virtu
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sizes yep of virtual machines virtu machines it's really hard for you to
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machines it's really hard for you to
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machines it's really hard for you to actually do a good commitment in terms
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actually do a good commitment in terms
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actually do a good commitment in terms of reserved in this is where governance
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of reserved in this is where governance
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of reserved in this is where governance steps in Azure policies they step in and
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steps in Azure policies they step in and
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steps in Azure policies they step in and we can just choose you know a subset of
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we can just choose you know a subset of
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we can just choose you know a subset of sizes to the sizes there's more more
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sizes to the sizes there's more more
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sizes to the sizes there's more more than a thousand we we can't count them
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than a thousand we we can't count them
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than a thousand we we can't count them all right it's not possible so I never I
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all right it's not possible so I never I
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all right it's not possible so I never I never I never did that to be honest and
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never I never did that to be honest and
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never I never did that to be honest and these are different hardware specs you
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these are different hardware specs you
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these are different hardware specs you can start you can have a really small
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can start you can have a really small
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can start you can have a really small virtual machine you can have a very very
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virtual machine you can have a very very
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virtual machine you can have a very very large one large and they can be
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large one large and they can be
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large one large and they can be extremely expensive and and less
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extremely expensive and and less
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extremely expensive and and less expensive so what you're suggesting is
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expensive so what you're suggesting is
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expensive so what you're suggesting is to take a set of machines that serve
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to take a set of machines that serve
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to take a set of machines that serve your purpose serve the purpose of the
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your purpose serve the purpose of the
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your purpose serve the purpose of the business well yeah and figure out like
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business well yeah and figure out like
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business well yeah and figure out like okay we made we we're making a decision
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okay we made we we're making a decision
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okay we made we we're making a decision these kinds of VMS exactly and and
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these kinds of VMS exactly and and
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these kinds of VMS exactly and and because you choose just those y you know
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because you choose just those y you know
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because you choose just those y you know the opportunities for you to do reserved
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the opportunities for you to do reserved
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the opportunities for you to do reserved instances is way more better yeah
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instances is way more better yeah
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instances is way more better yeah because it's not just just for one
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because it's not just just for one
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because it's not just just for one workload you can now do reserved
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workload you can now do reserved
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workload you can now do reserved instances that can serve more than one
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instances that can serve more than one
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instances that can serve more than one workload got it that makes absolute
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workload got it that makes absolute
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workload got it that makes absolute sense yeah so the the key here is not to
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sense yeah so the the key here is not to
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sense yeah so the the key here is not to let everyone that uses Azure inside of
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let everyone that uses Azure inside of
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let everyone that uses Azure inside of your business just make all of their own
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your business just make all of their own
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your business just make all of their own random decisions left right and Center
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random decisions left right and Center
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random decisions left right and Center ah definitely not yeah yeah yeah yeah
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ah definitely not yeah yeah yeah yeah
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ah definitely not yeah yeah yeah yeah look I I I can give you a great example
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look I I I can give you a great example
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look I I I can give you a great example on that by the way one of my customers
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on that by the way one of my customers
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on that by the way one of my customers they have Corp y Corp makes the
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they have Corp y Corp makes the
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they have Corp y Corp makes the decisions in terms of TCH in terms but
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decisions in terms of TCH in terms but
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decisions in terms of TCH in terms but then we have countries we call them
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then we have countries we call them
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then we have countries we call them branches okay let's call it countries or
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branches okay let's call it countries or
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branches okay let's call it countries or branches whatever different branches
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branches whatever different branches
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branches whatever different branches that they have their own local it teams
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that they have their own local it teams
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that they have their own local it teams I see because you know in Sweden for
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I see because you know in Sweden for
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I see because you know in Sweden for sure you know there are regulations that
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sure you know there are regulations that
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sure you know there are regulations that are really really local that Corp will
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are really really local that Corp will
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are really really local that Corp will be will be very hard for Corp to own it
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be will be very hard for Corp to own it
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be will be very hard for Corp to own it team with and they support the local
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team with and they support the local
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team with and they support the local stuff so we gave a subscription to every
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stuff so we gave a subscription to every
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stuff so we gave a subscription to every country so that they can use Azure
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country so that they can use Azure
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country so that they can use Azure because we don't allow anymore to buy
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because we don't allow anymore to buy
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because we don't allow anymore to buy anyone to buy Hardware I see for servers
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anyone to buy Hardware I see for servers
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anyone to buy Hardware I see for servers Y and what we did was we just told them
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Y and what we did was we just told them
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Y and what we did was we just told them look there you go you have this
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look there you go you have this
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look there you go you have this subscription there you go and now take
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subscription there you go and now take
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subscription there you go and now take care of it but there are all those rules
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care of it but there are all those rules
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care of it but there are all those rules in here I see get it so because we have
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in here I see get it so because we have
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in here I see get it so because we have different teams different countries with
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different teams different countries with
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different teams different countries with different perspectives different
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different perspectives different
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different perspectives different experiences but they are all under the
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experiences but they are all under the
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experiences but they are all under the same rules I see I see okay brilliant so
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same rules I see I see okay brilliant so
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same rules I see I see okay brilliant so this is a huge area we can talk for a
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this is a huge area we can talk for a
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this is a huge area we can talk for a long long time about this but before we
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long long time about this but before we
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long long time about this but before we end can we kind of can we give a summary
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end can we kind of can we give a summary
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end can we kind of can we give a summary or like an like an intro to how do you
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or like an like an intro to how do you
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or like an like an intro to how do you get going in the right direction if you
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get going in the right direction if you
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get going in the right direction if you feel that you need to add more
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feel that you need to add more
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feel that you need to add more governance to your business or or make a
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governance to your business or or make a
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governance to your business or or make a plan before you Ed to Cloud ideally but
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plan before you Ed to Cloud ideally but
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plan before you Ed to Cloud ideally but that never happens
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that never happens
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that never happens yeah so what what what would be an
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yeah so what what what would be an
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yeah so what what what would be an approach how do you start in the right
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approach how do you start in the right
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approach how do you start in the right direction so you start you start by you
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direction so you start you start by you
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direction so you start you start by you know
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know
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know selecting what are the services that I'm
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selecting what are the services that I'm
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selecting what are the services that I'm using today yes then you create a second
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using today yes then you create a second
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using today yes then you create a second list what are the services the Azure
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list what are the services the Azure
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list what are the services the Azure services that I probably will use
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services that I probably will use
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services that I probably will use tomorrow okay got it you give priority
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tomorrow okay got it you give priority
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tomorrow okay got it you give priority to the first list and you decide if to
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to the first list and you decide if to
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to the first list and you decide if to each service how I'm going to deal with
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each service how I'm going to deal with
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each service how I'm going to deal with this storage accounts again okay hey I'm
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this storage accounts again okay hey I'm
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this storage accounts again okay hey I'm using stage accounts this way for this
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using stage accounts this way for this
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using stage accounts this way for this scope for the other scope that way MH
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scope for the other scope that way MH
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scope for the other scope that way MH and then with that information you just
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and then with that information you just
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and then with that information you just go and you implement policies even if
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go and you implement policies even if
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go and you implement policies even if you're denying stuff y okay and stuff
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you're denying stuff y okay and stuff
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you're denying stuff y okay and stuff that you're denying okay today look
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that you're denying okay today look
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that you're denying okay today look you're denying the creation of a storage
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you're denying the creation of a storage
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you're denying the creation of a storage account in a certain region but you say
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account in a certain region but you say
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account in a certain region but you say oh but I already have some that are
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oh but I already have some that are
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oh but I already have some that are already created it there's no affection
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already created it there's no affection
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already created it there's no affection on that they are not going to be
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on that they are not going to be
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on that they are not going to be affected but there is a dashboard yeah
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affected but there is a dashboard yeah
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affected but there is a dashboard yeah which is called a compliance dashboard
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which is called a compliance dashboard
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which is called a compliance dashboard that will let you know look there is all
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that will let you know look there is all
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that will let you know look there is all those storage accounts that they are not
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those storage accounts that they are not
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those storage accounts that they are not under the policy they're not fulfilling
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under the policy they're not fulfilling
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under the policy they're not fulfilling the policy then of course later on
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the policy then of course later on
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the policy then of course later on policy to enfor course the uh newer ones
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policy to enfor course the uh newer ones
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policy to enfor course the uh newer ones for example you cannot have a public end
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for example you cannot have a public end
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for example you cannot have a public end point on the storage account that's you
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point on the storage account that's you
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point on the storage account that's you can have a policy you can have a poli
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can have a policy you can have a poli
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can have a policy you can have a poli for that yeah so if somebody tries to
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for that yeah so if somebody tries to
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for that yeah so if somebody tries to deploy a new storage account it will not
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deploy a new storage account it will not
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deploy a new storage account it will not it will be denied yeah exactly that's
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it will be denied yeah exactly that's
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it will be denied yeah exactly that's when that's really handy because then
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when that's really handy because then
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when that's really handy because then you can enforce the rules but the ones
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you can enforce the rules but the ones
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you can enforce the rules but the ones that you already created they are still
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that you already created they are still
15:20
that you already created they are still there they work but they are not going
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there they work but they are not going
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there they work but they are not going to be compliant so it's going to show in
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to be compliant so it's going to show in
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to be compliant so it's going to show in the dashboard saying hey look you have
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the dashboard saying hey look you have
15:25
the dashboard saying hey look you have all this this is not compant so then you
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all this this is not compant so then you
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all this this is not compant so then you just work you keep working the problem
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just work you keep working the problem
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just work you keep working the problem working on that then look to be totally
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working on that then look to be totally
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working on that then look to be totally honest with you that will take forever
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honest with you that will take forever
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honest with you that will take forever uh to do there are storage accounts that
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uh to do there are storage accounts that
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uh to do there are storage accounts that it's going to be really really hard for
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it's going to be really really hard for
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it's going to be really really hard for you to move but work that needs to be
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you to move but work that needs to be
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you to move but work that needs to be done for security for compliancy for
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done for security for compliancy for
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done for security for compliancy for cost optimization and all the things and
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cost optimization and all the things and
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cost optimization and all the things and all that and that's the work right and
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all that and that's the work right and
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all that and that's the work right and and there is always one thing which is
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and there is always one thing which is
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and there is always one thing which is as late you start the worse it will be
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as late you start the worse it will be
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as late you start the worse it will be of course yes you should you should
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of course yes you should you should
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of course yes you should you should ideally have the full plan 100% before
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ideally have the full plan 100% before
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ideally have the full plan 100% before you begin sure but no nobody does that
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you begin sure but no nobody does that
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you begin sure but no nobody does that it doesn't it doesn't work like that
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it doesn't it doesn't work like that
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it doesn't it doesn't work like that because you also learn things along the
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because you also learn things along the
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because you also learn things along the way and realize things right exactly
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way and realize things right exactly
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way and realize things right exactly because sometimes when you start with
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because sometimes when you start with
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because sometimes when you start with this you know and let's be honest not
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this you know and let's be honest not
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this you know and let's be honest not everyone has the
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everyone has the
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everyone has the proficiency uh on Azure that someone you
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proficiency uh on Azure that someone you
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proficiency uh on Azure that someone you don't you know some but you don't know
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don't you know some but you don't know
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don't you know some but you don't know enough you can't you can't make a plan
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enough you can't you can't make a plan
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enough you can't you can't make a plan for things you don't know ex planning is
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for things you don't know ex planning is
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for things you don't know ex planning is everything following a plan is useless
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everything following a plan is useless
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everything following a plan is useless yeah but then you know you learn more
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yeah but then you know you learn more
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yeah but then you know you learn more and you're going to you know improving
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and you're going to you know improving
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and you're going to you know improving your environment until you know one day
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your environment until you know one day
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your environment until you know one day say you have the perfect environment
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say you have the perfect environment
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say you have the perfect environment which is let's be honest a myth but
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which is let's be honest a myth but
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which is let's be honest a myth but that's that's the ultimated goal I think
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that's that's the ultimated goal I think
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that's that's the ultimated goal I think this is a great note to end this session
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this is a great note to end this session
16:37
this is a great note to end this session or this this episode of the cloud show
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or this this episode of the cloud show
16:39
or this this episode of the cloud show because that's that's where we want to
16:41
because that's that's where we want to
16:41
because that's that's where we want to go we want to go to the mythical land uh
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go we want to go to the mythical land uh
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go we want to go to the mythical land uh where everything is perfect it's perfect
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where everything is perfect it's perfect
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where everything is perfect it's perfect yes absolutely thank you Thiago for
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yes absolutely thank you Thiago for
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yes absolutely thank you Thiago for being on the cloud show it was a
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being on the cloud show it was a
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being on the cloud show it was a pleasure to have you thank you so much
16:50
pleasure to have you thank you so much
16:50
pleasure to have you thank you so much it was a pleasure to be here and now
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it was a pleasure to be here and now
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it was a pleasure to be here and now let's enjoy the conference again oh yes
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let's enjoy the conference again oh yes
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let's enjoy the conference again oh yes let's do and uh audience I will see you
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let's do and uh audience I will see you
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let's do and uh audience I will see you guys next time on the cloud show
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