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Ready to stop beating yourself up for every mistake? In this episode of The CrazyFitnessGuy® Show, autistic advocate Jimmy Clare talks with Krist Morrow—a disabled veteran, author, and award-winning journalist/photographer—about self-forgiveness, self-acceptance, and what personal growth really looks like for autistic and neurodivergent adults.
Krist shares his story of living with Tourette’s, navigating guilt and self-doubt, and slowly learning to treat himself with more compassion. Together, Jimmy and Krist explore how to quiet your inner critic, let go of past mistakes without pretending they never happened, and build emotional resilience in a world that often misunderstands neurodivergent brains. (edit)
If you’re tired of harsh self-help messages and just want a kinder, more honest path to feeling okay with yourself, this episode offers gentle, practical ideas to help you move toward self-forgiveness and self-acceptance at your own pace.
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Krist Morrow is a disabled veteran, author, and award-winning journalist/photographer from Texas living with Tourette’s in South Carolina. (edit)
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Gosh, I can't speak.
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Uh, today I guess this Kristoff Moreau.
4:29
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4:33
Pull out my information.
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He's a veteran author, a world-winning
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4:45
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And today we're going to be talking
4:49
about self-forgiveness.
4:51
And yeah, we're going to be talking
4:53
about self-forgiveness.
4:55
Gosh, I can't speak.
4:58
Uh, that's what happens when you Your
4:59
mind is on everything else on everything
5:02
else. Damn.
5:03
Anyway, let's welcome
5:05
Hello. Shakespeare.
5:07
Shakespeare. Hello, Jimmy. Good Good
5:09
evening.
5:10
Shakespeare.
5:11
So, uh, before we get started, can you
5:13
tell us a little bit about who you are,
5:15
what you do, how you got started, and
5:17
why you got started? Shakespeare.
5:20
Uh, um, it's what should Like you said,
5:22
I'm Shakespeare. I'm a disabled Navy
5:24
veteran.
5:25
Uh, I'm I'm an author. I won some awards
5:28
as a Shakespeare as a journalist.
5:30
Uh, and as a photographer uh,
5:32
in journalism. Also, uh, in short
5:35
fiction and poetry at these couple of
5:37
universities I went to. Well, not
5:38
universities, colleges. Um, and I went
5:41
to uh, and I just moved actually back to
5:43
the United States. I moved to
5:44
Shakespeare I moved to South Carolina.
5:46
Like 2 days ago. So Yeah. This is This
5:48
is brand new. Yeah, Shakespeare. Yeah.
5:52
Mhm, Shakespeare.
5:56
Does it feel weird when you
5:58
when you moved and then you come back
5:59
over and does it feel weird? Yes, sh sh
6:03
sh Shakespeare. Yeah, moving from uh
6:05
uh especially moving from Canada, you
6:07
know, there's there's a there really is
6:09
an entirely different personality to
6:11
most of the people uh there. They're
6:13
they're much more uh serene, more
6:15
relaxed. I think the health care.
6:17
>> [laughter]
6:19
>> And then everyone here is wound up tight
6:21
and just always angry. Sh- Shakespeare.
6:24
Trying to trying to get from one place
6:25
to another, like trying to capitalize on
6:27
time as much as they can, I think.
6:29
That's what it is. Sh- Shakespeare.
6:32
Yeah. Yeah. I got the So, uh
6:35
my first question for you is how did you
6:38
come up with the title
6:40
uh
6:41
my primary I have to look at my notes
6:42
again.
6:44
Yeah, the second sun. Second sun. Mhm.
6:46
My brain is all over the place. Rest by
6:48
the Shakespeare. There's actually uh
6:50
number two the the plot. It would be
6:52
giving it away if I told you what it
6:54
meant, but essentially um it is loosely
6:57
um a reference to the notion that
6:59
there's
7:00
sort of catastrophic climate change and
7:03
um
7:05
you know, and all of the the qualities
7:07
of a sun, if there were a second one,
7:10
um it's like it's it's much like the way
7:11
we are we see that every year it's
7:13
getting hotter and hotter.
7:15
Um uh but anyway, the the book is an
7:17
allegory for uh generational wealth
7:19
inequality and a bunch of other stuff,
7:20
but uh
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it's a epic fantasy, actually.
7:23
That's interesting. Yeah. Uh Yeah. I'll
7:26
[clears throat] listen to check it out.
7:28
Uh
7:29
My next question for you is
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uh
7:33
how does one
7:34
practice self-forgiveness?
7:37
Sh- Shakespeare.
7:39
You know, I
7:40
I find that uh recognizing your worth uh
7:44
through the love of others
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is a very helpful place to start.
7:50
I think that a lot of people think that
7:52
you know friendship isn't it shouldn't
7:54
be about reciprocity but it is.
7:57
Shakespeare you know ultimately yes it
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should it's supposed to be freely given
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of course.
8:02
Um
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but
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ultimately uh
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self
8:07
forgiveness is about discovering that
8:11
discovering a piece from others and I
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mean really that's the only way to move
8:16
forward. Sh- sh- sh- sh- sh- sh-
8:18
Shakespeare because I
8:20
Shakespeare because I have Tourette's.
8:22
Um I ruminate
8:25
on everything that I from
8:27
when I was a kid to now. Uh anything
8:30
that I've ever done that I feel ashamed
8:32
Shakespeare that I feel ashamed of and
8:33
because of the extraordinary amount of
8:35
abuse I faced as a kid
8:37
I I've mutilated myself a lot and not
8:41
because I want to but because it's part
8:43
it's member to my
8:45
um my illness Shakespeare because from
8:47
Tourette's.
8:48
Um and so I've given myself like black
8:51
eyes and bloody lips and
8:53
I I I've lost a lot of uh
8:56
my hand's kind of deformed now actually
8:58
my right hand because I've hit it on
8:59
things so much. Um and so like I've had
9:02
to really sort of embrace the notion of
9:05
forgiveness for yourself because if you
9:07
mean to live a life of virtue and valor
9:11
and that's all really you can ask.
9:13
That's really all you can ask. You do
9:14
the best you can to make it right and
9:16
that's it. That's all you can do.
9:19
Now I have a
9:20
I can agree I can agree with that
9:22
especially because I
9:24
I did some stuff
9:25
growing up in public school that I was
9:28
not proud of. And let's say I
9:31
metaphorically burned some of those
9:33
bridges and created some new people.
9:37
And
9:38
and that's
9:40
and some people forgive me and then
9:42
there's some people who did not forgive
9:43
me
9:44
and years later those people still
9:47
looked at me as the same way as I was
9:50
back then and I know I'm definitely not
9:53
the same. But [laughter]
9:55
since they didn't stay connected with me
9:57
they didn't see any change and they kept
9:59
on
10:00
seeing me as the old me and say I've
10:04
improved
10:06
a lot. I mean I'm not perfect whatsoever
10:08
but
10:10
but I forgive myself for taking me many
10:14
years to forgive myself.
10:17
But the people who spent who stayed with
10:19
me and is seeing me
10:22
to who I am today, I cherish those
10:24
people because they don't look at me
10:26
like the
10:28
person who I was let's say 15 years ago
10:31
or 16 years ago.
10:34
You know a little bit more than a man.
10:35
Time flies.
10:38
Shakespeare.
10:39
We all evolve I think
10:41
Shakespeare. We all evolve you know and
10:43
we hope at the end of our lives that we
10:46
would achieve we would have earned some
10:48
kind of peace
10:50
uh
10:51
you know that we did what we could to
10:53
earn the love that we have. Shakespeare.
10:56
So my last question for you is why do
10:58
you think some people
11:00
have not forgiven themselves on stuff
11:04
that they
11:05
they either regretting or
11:09
uh stuff they haven't done.
11:12
Why do you think that is? Shakespeare. I
11:14
think often it's social conditioning.
11:16
We're we're conditioned not to
11:19
believe we we deserve it.
11:22
Um but I don't know a single person
11:25
who's flawless.
11:27
Uh even the people who I know who are
11:29
extraordinarily kind uh and charitable I
11:31
done things that were that would not
11:34
flatter them at all in front of if if it
11:37
were discovered, you know, if people
11:39
knew about it, right? But we
11:42
we all
11:43
I mean
11:44
we all share in that, I think. And so I
11:46
think that we should take some some
11:48
solace in the notion that it's universal
11:51
that failure is universal especially
11:53
towards one another and failure towards
11:55
one another and
11:57
failure to
11:59
uh
11:59
uh
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maintain harmony. Um I don't know. Um an
12:04
ecosystem of peace, right? Shakes-
12:06
Shakespeare. And I don't know.
12:08
Shakespeare.
12:10
I I agree with that, too.
12:14
You know, I I also believe that
12:18
I I I also believe that, you know, I
12:21
always like to be transparent with like
12:24
I don't go into all the details of my
12:27
what happened years ago. I do give hints
12:30
here and there, but I like to be open
12:33
about it because then people
12:35
say like maybe like years later somebody
12:38
might dig it up later on and say this
12:40
person lied and say no, I'm not lying.
12:43
And so I like to
12:44
be 100% transparent
12:47
because I always believe in karma as I
12:51
bite you in the butt later on. And
12:54
no, thanks. Yeah,
12:56
but you I think we should I think
12:58
there's that karma also works in the
13:00
reverse, too. So
13:02
you know, we if you do good things
13:05
then you will earn you will have earned
13:08
good things uh
13:09
in the same sense.
13:11
Uh same wheel of fortune. So
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I agree with that, too, especially
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because
15:00
like they always say, what goes around
15:01
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15:04
And so, I like Mhm.
15:06
I have two. So, karma can go both ways.
15:08
You know,
15:09
sometimes lately it's been most likely
15:12
biting me in the butt sometimes. Uh
15:15
especially with statistics.
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I hate statistics.
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>> Oh, man, you don't tell me. I swear I in
15:21
college and I Oh god, it was the worst.
15:25
I really Yeah, I had loads of on every
15:27
second in that class. Shakespeare. I I'm
15:30
merely banging my head and studying 4
15:33
days of for the final. Like, I'm like, I
15:35
can't get rid of these numbers in my
15:37
head. Every time I go to bed at night, I
15:39
see numbers. It's like, I see pretty
15:41
numbers.
15:44
>> [laughter]
15:45
>> Shakespeare. Yeah.
15:46
>> So, my next question for you is, what
15:48
are some ways for people to start
15:51
uh
15:52
forgiving themselves for stuff they have
15:55
done or have not done?
15:57
Well, I think we are all uh
16:01
I think it's member to uh our psyche as
16:04
a as a human every every human
16:07
uh
16:08
wants to contribute to their community.
16:10
And
16:11
uh in fact, like it's I feel like uh
16:14
it's it's also uh
16:16
a quality to our fear, our anxiety, that
16:18
we want to contribute to our community
16:20
cuz we want to have some kind of worth,
16:22
you know, and um and so we're not
16:24
dispensable, right?
16:26
So, uh
16:28
I think curing a lot of anxiety around
16:30
forgiveness is about um
16:33
embracing the thing that you love to do
16:36
that also
16:38
uh contributes uh to the welfare of the
16:41
people around you. So, to do the work do
16:43
a great deal of uh of work selfless and
16:45
do it selflessly and do it with
16:47
affection
16:48
uh and do it with discipline. Uh
16:51
and I I There's really no alternative,
16:54
truly and because you find you like like
16:57
us you find peace through the love of
16:59
others and
17:00
um
17:02
through the joy of the warmth in your
17:03
and and the joy of friendship is is, you
17:06
know, is where we derive it all in the
17:08
end, all our happiness. I think one way
17:10
how I uh forgive myself for the stuff I
17:14
have done is
17:16
there's people who stayed with me I
17:19
wrote a very sincere apology for all the
17:22
stuff I did
17:24
that they've been around witnessed etc
17:28
and it meant a lot to me that they
17:32
just
17:33
read it in front of me I mean
17:37
they say like oh you know how to do this
17:39
and I was like
17:40
no I really had to do this healing and
17:45
because
17:46
there were sometimes I had like restless
17:48
nights I kind of felt
17:51
and there's some nights where I can't
17:53
sleep with my eyes closed like
17:55
where I I just
17:57
my autistic brain kind of
18:00
plays stuff on a replay kind of like a
18:03
>> [clears throat]
18:03
>> like a
18:04
kind of
18:06
conveyor belt that just goes around and
18:07
around or a hamster wheel whatever
18:11
message cross
18:13
and it just never ends and so sometimes
18:16
if I see
18:18
something in a movie like if it's very
18:22
scary to me my brain just remember
18:26
it's not always bad things like it
18:27
remembers lines and whatnot but if it's
18:30
like something really graphic my brain
18:32
just remembers it like uh-oh no
18:36
I'll give you an example my mom was
18:38
watching this one TV show and I caught a
18:40
glimpse of it and had like flashbacks
18:43
and everything and
18:45
I'm not going to say what the what was
18:47
on the flashbacks and everything and
18:50
but it
18:51
had like very graphic scenes and whatnot
18:54
and and
18:57
it's a like a it's a police show and
18:59
whatnot and as I they really did not
19:02
need to put these flashbacks in here as
19:04
I said one thing it was like a
19:05
pre-recorded video
19:08
like a part of the story but they didn't
19:10
they didn't need to put the whole
19:11
flashbacks had to see every little nook
19:13
and cranny of this happening. And I was
19:15
like, "No, thanks."
19:17
But that stayed in my mind and there was
19:19
a few nights where I had like really bad
19:22
dreams. I was like, "Okay,
19:24
next time when my mom's watching this
19:25
show, I'm leaving the hell out of this
19:28
room."
19:29
Yeah. You know, I think my brain will
19:31
play it on replay and I was like, "I
19:33
don't need this."
19:35
Yeah, Shakespeare.
19:36
The my next question for you is
19:39
uh how do you practice forgiveness and
19:43
how do you practice
19:45
uh forgiving others? Mhm.
19:48
Well, I think that a lot of people would
19:49
say that often times um whatever
19:52
trespasses are committed against you are
19:54
often
19:55
uh a reflection of what they're
19:56
experiencing, the turmoil within
19:59
themselves. You know, the the thing that
20:02
the the unfair or unkind things they say
20:04
to you uh or and do uh those are a
20:08
product of of insecurity and uh and so
20:12
uh
20:12
trying to retain that it it I I I find
20:15
that's really hard to do
20:17
to actually practice that. Um
20:20
and so I really feel like it has to it
20:23
has to come from within.
20:25
Uh and and if you want to receive
20:28
forgiveness, you have to be uh willing
20:30
to uh
20:32
submit it for others. I think that's the
20:34
only that's the really only way. I mean,
20:36
I you have to have a mentality like you
20:38
have to
20:39
uh
20:40
cradle. You know, it has to your your
20:42
life and your consciousness and your
20:45
and your habits have to live in a cradle
20:47
of forgiveness.
20:48
You know, Shakespeare. Yeah.
20:50
I agree with that. Uh
20:52
like I got bullied growing up in public
20:55
school for 8 years
20:58
and I wouldn't say I have forgiven any
21:01
of those bullies because I never seen
21:03
them ever again. But
21:06
but to be honest, I wouldn't be where I
21:09
am today and I've overcoming bullying
21:13
and whatnot if it wasn't for them, but I
21:16
wouldn't have
21:18
It would be
21:20
I would have had a somewhat of a unique
21:22
story growing up, but
21:25
but also they kind of completed my
21:28
completed that part of my story in my
21:31
life and it kind of
21:32
took where my podcast and businesses
21:35
were today, so
21:37
I don't think I would really have a
21:39
a full complete story without them, so I
21:42
would say thank you, but
21:45
uh
21:46
I would say
21:48
so I kind of thank them for it, but then
21:50
kind of not thank them at the same time
21:52
because Mhm. bullying sucks, but to
21:55
overcome it Mhm. it really really
21:58
I mean it really feels really great and
22:01
to be able to share with my stories with
22:03
other people
22:04
is really great, too, so
22:06
it's kind of a win-win situation. Or I
22:09
mean
22:10
I Shakespeare, I understand that
22:12
sentiment. Um
22:14
I've
22:15
I do like it's it's funny because uh
22:18
people often who who have like been on
22:21
the receiving end of
22:22
um horrible trauma from
22:26
loved ones people that
22:28
I I I don't believe that forgiveness
22:33
is meant to be
22:35
so thorough that you
22:38
still allow some of these people to
22:39
remain in your life. Sometimes you
22:42
really do have to sever yourself from
22:44
these people and that to make that
22:46
distinction is really hard
22:48
to know whether or not like you can
22:49
forgive them and then allow them to
22:51
remain
22:53
um you know, in your orbit, the orbit of
22:55
your
22:56
existence uh
22:57
or if you have to
22:59
you know, I the but it really comes down
23:02
to whether or not they take
23:03
accountability and truly
23:06
make effort to
23:08
to change.
23:11
And to sustain that.
23:15
I I like what you said there because
23:18
my opinion
23:20
I could have some people in my life
23:23
who
23:24
Let us say I had a she a friend who is
23:28
there for me during
23:30
bullying in high school and they served
23:33
a purpose.
23:35
But years later we kind of just drifted
23:39
apart.
23:41
Now follow us each other just different
23:44
stages of our lives.
23:47
But I kind of just let it kind of let
23:49
her go.
23:51
I mean I kind of let the person go just
23:52
because I didn't need the person anymore
23:56
and she just wasn't there for me
23:58
anymore.
23:59
That person wasn't really just there for
24:01
me anymore so I was like so I just
24:03
quietly just
24:04
left it behind and I said that person
24:08
served for a time being and
24:11
and the memories will always be there.
24:14
But I don't need that person in my life
24:16
anymore.
24:17
>> [snorts]
24:17
>> Yeah, the death of a relationship
24:20
feels a strange it feels like a strange
24:23
part of you dies too, right? Like some
24:25
part of you
24:27
yeah perishes in the same
24:28
with with that memory but it that's not
24:32
true and but it but what it does is
24:35
I think it imparts the lesson that
24:37
nothing is permanent and so like you
24:40
just said like they you you had a lovely
24:42
relationship friendship with someone
24:45
who afforded you some defense in times
24:48
when you needed it
24:49
but you know if you know a heart surgeon
24:52
repairs your heart
24:54
they don't keep following you around
24:56
ready to perform surgery again, right?
24:58
Yeah, they don't they don't do that now.
25:00
And so That would be kind of weird.
25:02
Well, yeah, and so I mean, you have to
25:06
sometimes you have to think of people
25:07
like that who you aren't wholly
25:09
compatible with, but
25:12
who in some way want to provide some
25:13
kind of social service for you and you
25:16
for them.
25:18
Yeah.
25:23
No offense at this, but I
25:26
I do disagree with one thing though.
25:29
I feel like there's some instances where
25:31
there can be permanent duality.
25:35
Like
25:37
I have two really
25:39
I mean, I have many close friends, but
25:42
I have these two friends who I've been
25:44
friends with for
25:46
They well, I've been friends with since
25:48
like for 30 years. And there's other and
25:51
my other two friends that I've been
25:53
friends with like 20 either 20 or 23
25:55
years. So, I kind of feel like
25:58
there's some circumstances where there's
26:01
some things that just last long. Yeah,
26:04
that's what I mean.
26:05
And so, but
26:08
but it doesn't but I
26:09
but I would say like like certain in
26:12
certain circumstances, but not for
26:14
everything.
26:16
Because I feel like if it's meant to be,
26:19
it's meant to be and
26:22
and these people
26:24
I my best friends I call them best
26:26
friends because they know everything
26:27
that they know about me like what my
26:30
what ticks me off, what makes me laugh,
26:33
etc. And they just know everything
26:35
inside and out and they can keep
26:37
secrets. But
26:41
And so,
26:42
uh
26:43
but so, that's where I only disagree a
26:46
little bit with that. So,
26:49
my next question for you is
26:53
What
26:54
What are
26:55
What do you think some people
26:58
Once if someone was listening to this
27:00
podcast episode right now
27:03
What do you think people should take
27:05
away from this episode about
27:09
being like the most
27:11
Let's say
27:12
three takeaways of what people should
27:15
learn about self
27:17
self self-forgiveness actually. Okay.
27:20
Hmm.
27:21
Uh well
27:23
uh in my book actually I have a a quote
27:26
at the end of a paragraph that I wrote
27:28
that I have while that I can't quote I
27:29
have an excerpt I can that I know but
27:32
it's just it's very short it's uh
27:33
Justice and redemption are folly but to
27:35
seek them is not.
27:37
Uh and that's an important that's uh
27:40
imperative
27:41
to remember that you may you will never
27:44
achieve perfect justice and you will
27:46
never be wholly redeemed
27:48
ever.
27:49
Um in the eyes of everyone it's just
27:51
impossible.
27:52
But that does not mean you can give it
27:54
up.
27:55
So the pursuit anyway.
27:57
Uh I think that meditation is an
27:59
important thing to do.
28:01
Uh to reduce the amount of stimulus you
28:03
get uh
28:05
just in general.
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I like that quote, especially because
32:00
you know uh
32:02
>> [laughter]
32:03
>> it brought me
32:05
it reminded me of something that
32:08
that made me uh
32:11
it reminded me of something and
32:14
it reminded me of this
32:16
uh moments that I liked uh I mean
32:21
I'm
32:22
I'm trying to
32:24
So, it reminded me uh of special
32:26
memories with my uh friends and whatnot.
32:31
Uh
32:32
and
32:34
and I I
32:36
I I I I definitely quote and men's uh I
32:40
think I
32:41
I didn't want to read your blog. I'm I'm
32:42
definitely going to highlight that just
32:44
because I really like the quote. Is he
32:46
there?
32:47
Yeah.
32:50
I mean I was like
32:53
I to be honest I do save all
32:55
different kind of quotes that I find and
32:59
and they get quotes on a stay in my head
33:01
for some reason.
33:03
Like different
33:05
like good lines about movies and what
33:07
not.
33:09
But I just want to circle back real
33:10
quick about something. You said that
33:13
some of the
33:16
You you were saying
33:18
and I meant to go up the running here so
33:20
my apologies.
33:22
You were saying
33:25
there is no
33:27
How did you put it?
33:29
There's no perfect
33:31
ending or what not or probably the
33:34
literally only way
33:35
>> doomed. Yeah.
33:37
And so I wanted to ask you just kind of
33:39
like a tongue-in-cheek joke. So you mean
33:42
life is not like a soap opera or
33:45
one of those fantasy Netflix films or TV
33:48
shows? You mean the perfect ending like
33:51
that?
33:52
Yeah, and then you lost it there, right?
33:54
Yeah, it seems everyone rides off and
33:56
and is able to chase an eternal dawn in
33:59
you know, the golden sunset. for
34:02
certain. Yeah. Our guy said it our guy
34:05
after those
34:08
the evil villain like a fellow where the
34:12
villain of the TV shows that I would go
34:14
chase after them like that could that's
34:16
the worst possible ideas.
34:19
>> [laughter]
34:21
>> No.
34:22
It's like with the that's like saying
34:26
an analogy. That's like saying let's
34:28
bring them back to a gunfight. That's a
34:30
good idea.
34:34
Maybe what how you apply like, you know,
34:37
morality is
34:38
is also I think is important to for the
34:40
same reason.
34:41
You know, like when we talk about
34:42
villains
34:44
uh
34:44
I I have a Shakespeare I have
34:46
Shakespeare I have a character who
34:48
in my in the book I'm about to publish
34:50
in a couple of weeks uh is volume three
34:52
of the series uh it's the it's the
34:54
sequel to the one I've already published
34:56
my first one.
34:57
Uh and he's a character whose father was
34:59
it was enslaved and his mother was is
35:02
someone who is part of the aristocracy
35:04
and he's sold into slavery uh and he is
35:07
as a kid even. And then he tries to run
35:10
away and his mother sells him
35:12
to someone else.
35:13
His own mother.
35:15
And then he does horrific things through
35:18
his life.
35:19
And so what you you hope in in and when
35:22
you see those things and him becoming an
35:24
adult and all the terrible things he did
35:26
you still in the end you still feel
35:28
a kind of bit ambivalent because you
35:30
know this was his genesis and it was so
35:33
awful and you can't help but to feel
35:35
like even if
35:37
he did monstrous things that
35:39
uh the we we we deserve to acknowledge
35:43
that history, you know.
35:46
And to submit that I mean just a grain
35:48
of forgiveness in the sense that, you
35:51
know, that uh we can see the
35:52
consequences and we try
35:54
and try to um
35:56
and try to advance those
35:58
uh
35:59
onto our future circumstances so that we
36:00
can prevent that from happening again to
36:03
someone else. So the next question for
36:05
you is when does your book come out? Six
36:08
six My first one uh The Second Son
36:10
volumes one and two it came out last
36:12
year in uh six six in February. Um and
36:16
Shakespeare
36:18
uh volume three
36:19
uh that one is um is actually
36:23
the Indie Book Awards
36:25
uh it's a it's called the Next
36:27
Generation Indie Book Awards, I think,
36:28
or or it used to be the International
36:30
Indie Book Awards.
36:32
They are um releasing the results of
36:34
that
36:35
uh in the next week or so. And depending
36:39
on how well I did, I I'm hoping that I I
36:42
did very well. Uh I would I wanted to
36:44
publish at the same time.
36:47
Uh
36:48
you know, if if I ended up winning, then
36:51
I thought I I thought it would be fun.
36:52
So, I've been I've been holding off on
36:53
publishing. I've already finished. In
36:55
fact, I'm I'm about 14 I'm I'm over
36:57
14,000 words into volume four already.
36:59
You know,
37:00
like some
37:01
comparison, The Hobbit's 98,000 words,
37:03
so
37:05
you know.
37:06
Huh. I can never get into the Lord of
37:09
the Rings books. I can get into the
37:10
movies, but Yeah. Uh
37:13
I think
37:15
like no offense to
37:17
No, good. Yeah. Yeah. Tolkien, but he
37:20
describes some the like some of the
37:22
blades of grass like at least a thousand
37:25
different ways, and I
37:27
was like
37:28
got it. Can you uh describe the room in
37:31
just like maybe three like maybe two
37:34
sentences, and I'm I can picture it, but
37:38
Shakespeare. I don't need to go over
37:39
that every single hardware detail in is
37:42
it Have you seen Game of Thrones or read
37:44
it? I haven't I haven't seen the Game of
37:46
Thrones, and I have
37:49
I tried reading the Game of Thrones, and
37:51
I feel like my cousin my cousins who
37:54
really love like all the medieval stuff
37:57
since like Jimmy, you got to read this.
37:59
It's so hyped up. And I try I try I got
38:02
to like the halfway point.
38:05
I mean, I didn't even lessen I got even
38:06
less than halfway point on the Game of
38:08
the first Game of Thrones book, and I
38:09
was like, can I get my money back?
38:13
Yeah. I'm Shakespeare. Well, I I was
38:15
only going to say that the the structure
38:17
of it of my of my books is that is
38:20
really similar to Game of Thrones in
38:22
that it's three different parts of the
38:23
world with three different groups of
38:25
characters that come together and then
38:27
you figure and you learn how they they
38:29
come together or rather how they're how
38:30
they're related rather.
38:32
Uh
38:33
and just so and and but also the spirit
38:35
of Tolkien in that anyone however big or
38:37
small can achieve extraordinary things.
38:40
Yeah.
38:42
And uh and from my lessons I'm not like
38:44
making fun of uh Tolkien or uh
38:47
um
38:48
I mean next
38:50
uh
38:50
I mean the Game of Thrones it just it
38:53
wasn't for me. It was not for my liking.
38:56
Uh so I mean it it's great that they can
38:59
create such imagination world like that
39:02
and
39:03
I give them all the credit in the world.
39:06
I'm just saying it's just not for me.
39:07
It's uh
39:08
I have all the respect for the authors
39:11
because the those people are impressive
39:14
who can write so many gosh darn words.
39:18
Where I know I can write but
39:21
I don't know if I can write a book.
39:23
Yeah. Shakespeare it's a lot of work. It
39:25
is it is and to do it well is even
39:27
harder.
39:28
>> [laughter]
39:29
>> Yeah.
39:31
And I I I
39:32
and it's like and just seeing James
39:33
Patterson just like just magically
39:36
one [clears throat] book a week and like
39:38
I
39:39
I usually you know remember by James
39:41
Patterson like she like books. He's like
39:44
a well-oiled machine like doom doom
39:46
doom.
39:47
Yeah, I think he
39:49
I'm pretty sure that he does uh like he
39:51
has other writers that help him they do
39:53
they do part of the work. Yeah,
39:55
probably. Uh
39:57
so the last few questions for you is
40:00
who's your favorite podcaster my and
40:02
feel free not to say me.
40:05
Shakespeare. Um
40:07
Yeah, I don't I don't know. Uh
40:09
you know I I honestly I
40:12
I
40:14
I actually really like Conan O'Brien. I
40:16
think he's really funny.
40:18
Um and uh Karl Pilkington. You know,
40:21
he's part of the
40:23
I love Shakespeare. I love those guys.
40:24
Uh
40:25
I love I love comedians. I think that
40:28
comedy is like that is the highest form
40:30
of art. It's the most complex um
40:33
because it you have to understand as a
40:35
comedian you have to understand every
40:37
context in the same way that the
40:39
dramatist does and the romance writer
40:41
and the horror writer. But you have to
40:43
be able to take it one step further and
40:45
reveal the irony, right?
40:48
Uh and I think that that's that requires
40:51
a very special relationship with reality
40:53
that I really I admire a great deal.
40:56
Uh
40:57
and so and I I consider comedy itself as
40:59
a separate art form from everything
41:01
else. Like I can There's writing and
41:03
then there's there's sculpting, there's
41:04
painting, and there's
41:05
all these different dancing, but comedy
41:08
is its own it's a separate thing to me.
41:10
Even it's not just a genre.
41:13
I agree with that.
41:15
My favorite podcast uh is um
41:18
Lewis Howes uh School of Greatness.
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And uh he has like really great episodes
41:25
and I've interacted with him multiple
41:27
times on social media. That's which
41:29
pretty cool. I mean, which is pretty
41:31
cool. And you I said to
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my followers and his followers they one
41:36
day I want to be on your show and he
41:38
actually wrote back to me and said, "I
41:40
look forward to it." And then I was
41:42
like, "That's a challenge." I was like,
41:44
"You know what? I accept it."
41:47
And you know what's funny? I had a
41:48
podcaster who came on my show. He
41:51
actually got to meet Lewis Howes and
41:53
it's like
41:54
and like I didn't have
41:56
We didn't have enough time in that
41:57
episode to
41:59
to talk
42:00
on how he met him, but I was like, "I
42:02
want to meet him so damn bad." Lewis
42:06
Lewis Howes, if you're hearing this, I
42:08
want to meet you so badly.
42:11
And I mean in person, not just on the
42:13
screen.
42:15
That'd be really cool.
42:18
And my last question for you is where
42:20
can people follow you, learn more about
42:22
who you are and what you do and where
42:24
can people find your books? Excuse me.
42:27
Well, if you go to Christopher
42:29
Marrow.com
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that has links to everything that I have
42:33
and do.
42:35
But my book is on Amazon and it's on
42:38
Kobo.
42:40
Yeah, and I'm on I'm on I'm really just
42:43
on
42:43
I'm on Instagram, Facebook and TikTok.
42:46
At least from TikTok for now and where
42:48
it's going
42:49
what's going to happen to that
42:51
because that's actually like I most of
42:53
my followers are on TikTok. Like I have
42:55
like 6,000 on there so I'm I'm
42:57
concerned.
42:59
I won't have any
43:00
lose any way.
43:01
But yeah, so that's that's I'm yeah.
43:06
That's cool.
43:07
Cool.
43:09
I'll put all those in the show notes so
43:11
everyone can find
43:12
and [snorts]
43:13
yeah and
43:15
I hopefully
43:16
I want to get you back on again because
43:19
I think we can talk some more about
43:22
self-forgiveness and and also
43:26
maybe by the time that I have you back
43:27
on maybe a fifth book will be out. Yeah,
43:30
that would be great.
43:32
And let's stay in touch. Yeah, thank
43:36
you. I try to earn your trust. That
43:37
would be really appreciated. And I'll
43:40
follow I will follow you on social media
43:42
so
43:44
and if I forget in a couple of days
43:47
don't take offense at it. It's just my
43:49
my brain is just math math math.
43:53
So
43:55
I'll I'll definitely
43:57
reach back out again
43:59
probably next week at some point.
44:01
But it's just my my brain is like
44:03
if I do one more
44:05
math problem I'm just going to just
44:07
bang my head against the keyboard. The
44:10
No, I empathize.
44:12
Yeah,
44:12
I'm glad that somebody else has
44:14
sympathized. So, uh thank you and uh
44:18
let's stay in touch. Yeah, thanks,
44:20
Jimmy.
44:21
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