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Paula Januszkiewicz is a Microsoft Enterprise Security MVP and Regional Director for Central Eastern Europe. She specializes in penetration testing, audits, architecture consulting, and security training. As the founder of CQURE Inc. and CQURE Academy, she empowers Windows Security professionals through advanced training and resources. Paula actively shares her expertise at global conferences, via keynotes, workshops, blogs, and podcasts. She also serves on the Technical Advisory Board at the Royal Bank of Scotland/NatWest, contributing to advancements in enterprise security.
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hello everyone welcome to yet another
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hello everyone welcome to yet another
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hello everyone welcome to yet another episode of the cloud show coming to you
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episode of the cloud show coming to you
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episode of the cloud show coming to you from the espc conference in Stockholm
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from the espc conference in Stockholm
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from the espc conference in Stockholm this is a huge conference and I really
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this is a huge conference and I really
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this is a huge conference and I really love being here because you get to meet
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love being here because you get to meet
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love being here because you get to meet up with all kinds of experts from around
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up with all kinds of experts from around
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up with all kinds of experts from around the world and we are going to talk about
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the world and we are going to talk about
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the world and we are going to talk about security and AI in combination with the
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security and AI in combination with the
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security and AI in combination with the guest star of the cloud show Paula
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hi Paula hi how's it going oh it's going
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hi Paula hi how's it going oh it's going
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hi Paula hi how's it going oh it's going very well I'm so glad that I had the
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very well I'm so glad that I had the
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very well I'm so glad that I had the opportunity to catch up with you you
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opportunity to catch up with you you
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opportunity to catch up with you you seem like you're always on the move a
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seem like you're always on the move a
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seem like you're always on the move a little bit especially especially in Q4
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little bit especially especially in Q4
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little bit especially especially in Q4 when you know things are a little crazy
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when you know things are a little crazy
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when you know things are a little crazy I guess I guess I would name a Q4 as a
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I guess I guess I would name a Q4 as a
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I guess I guess I would name a Q4 as a new definition of hell oh true well at
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new definition of hell oh true well at
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new definition of hell oh true well at least now we get to sit down for a
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least now we get to sit down for a
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least now we get to sit down for a little while and chill out so I I guess
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little while and chill out so I I guess
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little while and chill out so I I guess a lot of people know who Paula is but
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a lot of people know who Paula is but
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a lot of people know who Paula is but you maybe can give give a little you
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you maybe can give give a little you
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you maybe can give give a little you know who are you oh definitely you give
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know who are you oh definitely you give
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know who are you oh definitely you give a little so so basically I'm paulich I'm
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a little so so basically I'm paulich I'm
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a little so so basically I'm paulich I'm the C of secure and secure Academy this
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the C of secure and secure Academy this
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the C of secure and secure Academy this is also the company that I have
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is also the company that I have
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is also the company that I have established 16 years ago so quite a long
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established 16 years ago so quite a long
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established 16 years ago so quite a long time it I mean time runs time totally
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time it I mean time runs time totally
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time it I mean time runs time totally runs and I've been in the cyber security
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runs and I've been in the cyber security
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runs and I've been in the cyber security industry for the past 20 years and also
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industry for the past 20 years and also
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industry for the past 20 years and also an MVP and RD that's right right and all
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an MVP and RD that's right right and all
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an MVP and RD that's right right and all these things so being engaged in cyber
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these things so being engaged in cyber
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these things so being engaged in cyber simply saying cyber and all that stuff
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simply saying cyber and all that stuff
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simply saying cyber and all that stuff right exactly perfect and so whom better
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right exactly perfect and so whom better
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right exactly perfect and so whom better to catch up with and talk because
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to catch up with and talk because
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to catch up with and talk because everybody has to talk about AI any St
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everybody has to talk about AI any St
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everybody has to talk about AI any St like it's mandatory there's there's no
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like it's mandatory there's there's no
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like it's mandatory there's there's no other conversation has to be AI so I
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other conversation has to be AI so I
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other conversation has to be AI so I mean question begs right how does AI
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mean question begs right how does AI
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mean question begs right how does AI make me a better cyber villain um and
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make me a better cyber villain um and
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make me a better cyber villain um and it's always honestly a good question
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it's always honestly a good question
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it's always honestly a good question because there's so many angles where we
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because there's so many angles where we
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because there's so many angles where we think about cyber and use cyber in the
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think about cyber and use cyber in the
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think about cyber and use cyber in the infrastructure that we should definitely
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infrastructure that we should definitely
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infrastructure that we should definitely look at and I think the major one is
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look at and I think the major one is
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look at and I think the major one is actually the threat hunting so the way
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actually the threat hunting so the way
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actually the threat hunting so the way how we look for the threat um and how we
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how we look for the threat um and how we
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how we look for the threat um and how we when there is an incident do the whole
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when there is an incident do the whole
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when there is an incident do the whole research about what happened so
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research about what happened so
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research about what happened so including forensic activities and so on
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including forensic activities and so on
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including forensic activities and so on so like as long as of course we capture
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so like as long as of course we capture
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so like as long as of course we capture and maintain a certain level of data
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and maintain a certain level of data
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and maintain a certain level of data then we are able to uh use it and
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then we are able to uh use it and
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then we are able to uh use it and connect adults correlate and then come
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connect adults correlate and then come
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connect adults correlate and then come with like some conclusions that this
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with like some conclusions that this
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with like some conclusions that this user around that these processes
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user around that these processes
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user around that these processes connected through the network within
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connected through the network within
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connected through the network within this process there were some injections
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this process there were some injections
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this process there were some injections different uh different loads and so on
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different uh different loads and so on
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different uh different loads and so on like these files were used this is how
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like these files were used this is how
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like these files were used this is how it started so that is basically
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it started so that is basically
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it started so that is basically something that we are able with AI to do
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something that we are able with AI to do
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something that we are able with AI to do faster and time in incidents it's so
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faster and time in incidents it's so
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faster and time in incidents it's so important and the way is very important
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important and the way is very important
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important and the way is very important that's the criticality yeah absolutely
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that's the criticality yeah absolutely
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that's the criticality yeah absolutely yes and when there's something going on
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yes and when there's something going on
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yes and when there's something going on especially like right now in the
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especially like right now in the
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especially like right now in the infrastructure then this is where it
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infrastructure then this is where it
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infrastructure then this is where it becomes important yeah like you want to
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becomes important yeah like you want to
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becomes important yeah like you want to find things faster so I've been to many
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find things faster so I've been to many
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find things faster so I've been to many incidents when things were happening and
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incidents when things were happening and
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incidents when things were happening and you couldn't really find things faster
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you couldn't really find things faster
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you couldn't really find things faster and that brought a bit of a trouble
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and that brought a bit of a trouble
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and that brought a bit of a trouble especially from the business side
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especially from the business side
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especially from the business side because yet again if there's an incident
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because yet again if there's an incident
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because yet again if there's an incident which I'm thinking about across like our
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which I'm thinking about across like our
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which I'm thinking about across like our big retail customer then basically they
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big retail customer then basically they
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big retail customer then basically they couldn't open the stores well they
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couldn't open the stores well they
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couldn't open the stores well they eventually they opened but that was a
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eventually they opened but that was a
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eventually they opened but that was a big question like do we open the source
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big question like do we open the source
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big question like do we open the source and they couldn't open them with the
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and they couldn't open them with the
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and they couldn't open them with the full it support because there was an
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full it support because there was an
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full it support because there was an ongoing incident for them and then uh it
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ongoing incident for them and then uh it
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ongoing incident for them and then uh it was very difficult to connect the do
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was very difficult to connect the do
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was very difficult to connect the do because they did not have a central
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because they did not have a central
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because they did not have a central monitoring so I was there directly on
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monitoring so I was there directly on
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monitoring so I was there directly on the other side uh working with a team to
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the other side uh working with a team to
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the other side uh working with a team to pretty much like set up all the
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pretty much like set up all the
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pretty much like set up all the indicators of the com
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indicators of the com
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indicators of the com then write a script on the top of that
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then write a script on the top of that
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then write a script on the top of that spread it clean the infrastructure out
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spread it clean the infrastructure out
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spread it clean the infrastructure out and then say like okay check we are good
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and then say like okay check we are good
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and then say like okay check we are good to go so that took some time I can only
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to go so that took some time I can only
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to go so that took some time I can only imagine
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imagine
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imagine so in terms of use cases there are some
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so in terms of use cases there are some
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so in terms of use cases there are some good and some bad you know use cases for
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good and some bad you know use cases for
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good and some bad you know use cases for AI where I go like eh you know what but
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AI where I go like eh you know what but
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AI where I go like eh you know what but with having a lot a lot of data to um to
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with having a lot a lot of data to um to
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with having a lot a lot of data to um to dig through and to find the correlation
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dig through and to find the correlation
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dig through and to find the correlation side inside and that sort of stuff I
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side inside and that sort of stuff I
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side inside and that sort of stuff I would say that AI is a strong use case
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would say that AI is a strong use case
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would say that AI is a strong use case in security uh specifically right
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in security uh specifically right
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in security uh specifically right definitely definitely yes and it's all
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definitely definitely yes and it's all
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definitely definitely yes and it's all about information gathering it's all
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about information gathering it's all
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about information gathering it's all about reacting fast cyber security it's
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about reacting fast cyber security it's
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about reacting fast cyber security it's one of these things that when it goes
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one of these things that when it goes
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one of these things that when it goes wrong it directly and immediately
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wrong it directly and immediately
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wrong it directly and immediately impacts the business that's right so
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impacts the business that's right so
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impacts the business that's right so that's why as well in terms of like
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that's why as well in terms of like
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that's why as well in terms of like investment into new technologies
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investment into new technologies
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investment into new technologies management needs to realize that that's
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management needs to realize that that's
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management needs to realize that that's part of their business continuity and
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part of their business continuity and
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part of their business continuity and and some some of them obviously did but
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and some some of them obviously did but
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and some some of them obviously did but that's the only ongoing process yeah and
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that's the only ongoing process yeah and
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that's the only ongoing process yeah and uh that is so important to to be able to
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uh that is so important to to be able to
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uh that is so important to to be able to correlate the data react fast save the
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correlate the data react fast save the
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correlate the data react fast save the business it's a direct conversion over
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business it's a direct conversion over
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business it's a direct conversion over here because you you get a lot of data
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here because you you get a lot of data
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here because you you get a lot of data um at any moment right and so you need
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um at any moment right and so you need
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um at any moment right and so you need you need something powerful to work that
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you need something powerful to work that
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you need something powerful to work that data as it comes in right as it comes in
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data as it comes in right as it comes in
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data as it comes in right as it comes in it's a very like good thing that you
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it's a very like good thing that you
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it's a very like good thing that you said because usually in the past we were
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said because usually in the past we were
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said because usually in the past we were dealing with incidents and we named them
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dealing with incidents and we named them
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dealing with incidents and we named them incidents because they happened yeah so
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incidents because they happened yeah so
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incidents because they happened yeah so then Happ exactly so they happen now
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then Happ exactly so they happen now
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then Happ exactly so they happen now it's your job to correlate it and then
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it's your job to correlate it and then
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it's your job to correlate it and then of course you can sit down and then have
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of course you can sit down and then have
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of course you can sit down and then have some time to to connect all the dos and
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some time to to connect all the dos and
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some time to to connect all the dos and see that's reactive that's after the
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see that's reactive that's after the
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see that's reactive that's after the fact right exactly but but like what
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fact right exactly but but like what
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fact right exactly but but like what about their reaction over there like and
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about their reaction over there like and
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about their reaction over there like and to stop it by correlating before it
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to stop it by correlating before it
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to stop it by correlating before it happens so that's what we are talking
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happens so that's what we are talking
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happens so that's what we are talking about and that's a huge difference yes
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about and that's a huge difference yes
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about and that's a huge difference yes it is in in terms of a business
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it is in in terms of a business
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it is in in terms of a business continuity it is and and with that I'm
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continuity it is and and with that I'm
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continuity it is and and with that I'm assuming that bad guys are used AI to
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assuming that bad guys are used AI to
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assuming that bad guys are used AI to attack and so we better we we better
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attack and so we better we we better
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attack and so we better we we better learn how to use AI to defend right
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learn how to use AI to defend right
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learn how to use AI to defend right mandatory things the only the only thing
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mandatory things the only the only thing
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mandatory things the only the only thing that's going to fight AI is is a is bad
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that's going to fight AI is is a is bad
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that's going to fight AI is is a is bad guys with AI is good guys with AI
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guys with AI is good guys with AI
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guys with AI is good guys with AI definitely definitely yes and also from
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definitely definitely yes and also from
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definitely definitely yes and also from the threat perspective you have so many
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the threat perspective you have so many
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the threat perspective you have so many ways how you can work on a threat Factor
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ways how you can work on a threat Factor
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ways how you can work on a threat Factor like starting with the easiest fishing
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like starting with the easiest fishing
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like starting with the easiest fishing Emos perfectly written by using CH GPT
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Emos perfectly written by using CH GPT
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Emos perfectly written by using CH GPT check yeah writing malware even though
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check yeah writing malware even though
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check yeah writing malware even though you are not a developer but you can do
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you are not a developer but you can do
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you are not a developer but you can do some coding through the CH GPT and it's
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some coding through the CH GPT and it's
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some coding through the CH GPT and it's very easy actually to generate the code
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very easy actually to generate the code
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very easy actually to generate the code that is going to be working yeah because
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that is going to be working yeah because
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that is going to be working yeah because we also do it within the projects yeah
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we also do it within the projects yeah
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we also do it within the projects yeah we use Char GPT if you want to have like
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we use Char GPT if you want to have like
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we use Char GPT if you want to have like a quick something then like why would
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a quick something then like why would
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a quick something then like why would you sit down and code it if like for
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you sit down and code it if like for
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you sit down and code it if like for especially from the infrastructure
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especially from the infrastructure
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especially from the infrastructure perspective if not just like going to
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perspective if not just like going to
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perspective if not just like going to Jud GPT and then and then you got it and
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Jud GPT and then and then you got it and
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Jud GPT and then and then you got it and then it's a functioning piece of
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then it's a functioning piece of
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then it's a functioning piece of software that you might want to use
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software that you might want to use
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software that you might want to use later yeah so that's kind of the thing
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later yeah so that's kind of the thing
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later yeah so that's kind of the thing that um I'm talking about and and at the
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that um I'm talking about and and at the
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that um I'm talking about and and at the end uh you you've got a guys that are
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end uh you you've got a guys that are
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end uh you you've got a guys that are using different platform to find
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using different platform to find
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using different platform to find vulnerabilities yeah and earn money on
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vulnerabilities yeah and earn money on
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vulnerabilities yeah and earn money on it and and it's a fair point I mean
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it and and it's a fair point I mean
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it and and it's a fair point I mean that's how they work yeah and it doesn't
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that's how they work yeah and it doesn't
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that's how they work yeah and it doesn't have to be for the bad reason it might
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have to be for the bad reason it might
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have to be for the bad reason it might be also for different companies doing
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be also for different companies doing
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be also for different companies doing the bug bounties yeah so yeah yeah yeah
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the bug bounties yeah so yeah yeah yeah
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the bug bounties yeah so yeah yeah yeah I can see that and so is there is there
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I can see that and so is there is there
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I can see that and so is there is there like a a you always say that that you
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like a a you always say that that you
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like a a you always say that that you know you're always showing this like
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know you're always showing this like
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know you're always showing this like simple tools like okay this this tool is
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simple tools like okay this this tool is
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simple tools like okay this this tool is so easy everybody has this tool and it
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so easy everybody has this tool and it
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so easy everybody has this tool and it works like this and you can just break
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works like this and you can just break
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works like this and you can just break in and it's not hard even does does it
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in and it's not hard even does does it
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in and it's not hard even does does it make it even easier now that you can
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make it even easier now that you can
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make it even easier now that you can just ask chat GTP to like okay get me my
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just ask chat GTP to like okay get me my
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just ask chat GTP to like okay get me my script for log hacking into this thing
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script for log hacking into this thing
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script for log hacking into this thing and I don't even know how to do it but
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and I don't even know how to do it but
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and I don't even know how to do it but I'm just I'm just going to copy paste
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I'm just I'm just going to copy paste
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I'm just I'm just going to copy paste this thing that is exactly the point so
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this thing that is exactly the point so
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this thing that is exactly the point so for example in the past where CH GPT was
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for example in the past where CH GPT was
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for example in the past where CH GPT was like starting yeah you could already for
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like starting yeah you could already for
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like starting yeah you could already for example generate queries to to put in
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example generate queries to to put in
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example generate queries to to put in Sentinel to put in Defender for within
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Sentinel to put in Defender for within
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Sentinel to put in Defender for within the advanced hunting so that you know
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the advanced hunting so that you know
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the advanced hunting so that you know what you want to do you ask the query
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what you want to do you ask the query
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what you want to do you ask the query you ask the jpd and then you get query
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you ask the jpd and then you get query
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you ask the jpd and then you get query and then but when you were pting it when
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and then but when you were pting it when
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and then but when you were pting it when you were analyzing it it wasn't perfect
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you were analyzing it it wasn't perfect
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you were analyzing it it wasn't perfect so you as a human you had to adjust it
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so you as a human you had to adjust it
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so you as a human you had to adjust it but right now yeah when within the
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but right now yeah when within the
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but right now yeah when within the current version of the CH GPT you can
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current version of the CH GPT you can
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current version of the CH GPT you can basically uh type like uh show me all
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basically uh type like uh show me all
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basically uh type like uh show me all the processes that like that that put it
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the processes that like that that put it
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the processes that like that that put it on a timeline and I wanted that angle I
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on a timeline and I wanted that angle I
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on a timeline and I wanted that angle I wanted this angle okay and then
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wanted this angle okay and then
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wanted this angle okay and then generates your immediately and you
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generates your immediately and you
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generates your immediately and you literally contrl c contrl v to Sentinel
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literally contrl c contrl v to Sentinel
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literally contrl c contrl v to Sentinel of course first you need to read and
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of course first you need to read and
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of course first you need to read and understand it that's clear but still
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understand it that's clear but still
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understand it that's clear but still like you don't have to make an effort
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like you don't have to make an effort
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like you don't have to make an effort you don't have to know you don't have to
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you don't have to know you don't have to
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you don't have to know you don't have to know how to do it it's all out there as
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know how to do it it's all out there as
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know how to do it it's all out there as long as you know what you want yeah as
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long as you know what you want yeah as
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long as you know what you want yeah as long as you can ask for it if you you
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long as you can ask for it if you you
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long as you can ask for it if you you can get the exact answer without having
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can get the exact answer without having
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can get the exact answer without having to understand how I love this part
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to understand how I love this part
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to understand how I love this part because it makes me so much faster and
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because it makes me so much faster and
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because it makes me so much faster and you know I'm sure you had this feeling
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you know I'm sure you had this feeling
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you know I'm sure you had this feeling that when you when you like work and you
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that when you when you like work and you
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that when you when you like work and you have such a great idea or there's so
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have such a great idea or there's so
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have such a great idea or there's so much going on that's another part like
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much going on that's another part like
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much going on that's another part like your thoughts are totally okay but your
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your thoughts are totally okay but your
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your thoughts are totally okay but your hands like for the keyboard they're not
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hands like for the keyboard they're not
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hands like for the keyboard they're not they're too slow this tool is too slow
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they're too slow this tool is too slow
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they're too slow this tool is too slow yeah exactly it is so why don't we uh
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yeah exactly it is so why don't we uh
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yeah exactly it is so why don't we uh use like our brains and then use still
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use like our brains and then use still
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use like our brains and then use still this tool to ask the question that's
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this tool to ask the question that's
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this tool to ask the question that's going to be generating us an answer that
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going to be generating us an answer that
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going to be generating us an answer that is going to take us some time and then
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is going to take us some time and then
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is going to take us some time and then you just like work with that abely right
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you just like work with that abely right
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you just like work with that abely right I love it too because like you said I I
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I love it too because like you said I I
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I love it too because like you said I I can probably figure it out but I I me I
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can probably figure it out but I I me I
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can probably figure it out but I I me I might need to go like with the tool like
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might need to go like with the tool like
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might need to go like with the tool like slh and try to ask like oh which
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slh and try to ask like oh which
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slh and try to ask like oh which parameters can I use it and think about
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parameters can I use it and think about
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parameters can I use it and think about it and figure it out and oh right if I
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it and figure it out and oh right if I
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it and figure it out and oh right if I build it and basically build the thing
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build it and basically build the thing
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build it and basically build the thing in not pad and then I think I'm done now
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in not pad and then I think I'm done now
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in not pad and then I think I'm done now and then paste it in N just ask chat
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and then paste it in N just ask chat
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and then paste it in N just ask chat it'll give you the answer that's that's
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it'll give you the answer that's that's
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it'll give you the answer that's that's the point and especially a good thing
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the point and especially a good thing
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the point and especially a good thing that you mentioned especially in
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that you mentioned especially in
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that you mentioned especially in security there's so many tools that are
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security there's so many tools that are
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security there's so many tools that are as well on the GitHub and so on and they
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as well on the GitHub and so on and they
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as well on the GitHub and so on and they use their own paramet parameters like
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use their own paramet parameters like
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use their own paramet parameters like sorry I mean who's going to remember
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sorry I mean who's going to remember
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sorry I mean who's going to remember that eventually of course you end up
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that eventually of course you end up
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that eventually of course you end up remembering that in a kind of a way but
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remembering that in a kind of a way but
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remembering that in a kind of a way but it wouldn't be that easier you'd have to
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it wouldn't be that easier you'd have to
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it wouldn't be that easier you'd have to be an expert like you to remember these
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be an expert like you to remember these
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be an expert like you to remember these I don't remember these things yeah
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I don't remember these things yeah
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I don't remember these things yeah that's the point Thank you thank you but
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that's the point Thank you thank you but
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that's the point Thank you thank you but there are so many tools that you could
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there are so many tools that you could
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there are so many tools that you could use uh so then you need to remember the
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use uh so then you need to remember the
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use uh so then you need to remember the tool okay and then the name all right
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tool okay and then the name all right
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tool okay and then the name all right the parameter okay like the way how you
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the parameter okay like the way how you
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the parameter okay like the way how you use it all of the steps and so on I
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use it all of the steps and so on I
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use it all of the steps and so on I really want to live in time where we're
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really want to live in time where we're
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really want to live in time where we're going to be able to say like okay use
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going to be able to say like okay use
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going to be able to say like okay use use uh not even the tool but do me this
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use uh not even the tool but do me this
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use uh not even the tool but do me this this and that right and I know what I
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this and that right and I know what I
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this and that right and I know what I want but I forgotten the way so bring
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want but I forgotten the way so bring
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want but I forgotten the way so bring the way in by Automation in I yeah just
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the way in by Automation in I yeah just
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the way in by Automation in I yeah just do it for me so that's like it's like a
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do it for me so that's like it's like a
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do it for me so that's like it's like a little like a little hacking agent
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little like a little hacking agent
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little like a little hacking agent that's just going to do it for you think
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that's just going to do it for you think
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that's just going to do it for you think think how spoiling that is that it
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think how spoiling that is that it
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think how spoiling that is that it really is it really is so what have you
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really is it really is so what have you
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really is it really is so what have you seen out there just to um clarify with
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seen out there just to um clarify with
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seen out there just to um clarify with within the this like new the the
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within the this like new the the
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within the this like new the the Microsoft for example are talking about
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Microsoft for example are talking about
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Microsoft for example are talking about the era of AI in the era of AI what have
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the era of AI in the era of AI what have
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the era of AI in the era of AI what have you seen out there where uh people are
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you seen out there where uh people are
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you seen out there where uh people are using AI in in an attack fashion what
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using AI in in an attack fashion what
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using AI in in an attack fashion what are they doing with it to attack us oh
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are they doing with it to attack us oh
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are they doing with it to attack us oh Oh you mean from that unle well there
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Oh you mean from that unle well there
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Oh you mean from that unle well there are many many things really but like
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are many many things really but like
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are many many things really but like starting with maybe something that
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starting with maybe something that
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starting with maybe something that everybody is dealing with which is the
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everybody is dealing with which is the
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everybody is dealing with which is the Deep fake yeah so then um not only not
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Deep fake yeah so then um not only not
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Deep fake yeah so then um not only not only of course from the like a social
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only of course from the like a social
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only of course from the like a social influence perspective but to get access
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influence perspective but to get access
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influence perspective but to get access to the infrastructure perspective so if
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to the infrastructure perspective so if
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to the infrastructure perspective so if someone wants to get access to the
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someone wants to get access to the
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someone wants to get access to the infrastructure maybe through like
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infrastructure maybe through like
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infrastructure maybe through like someone's family member even then they
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someone's family member even then they
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someone's family member even then they could attack them so that they will do
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could attack them so that they will do
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could attack them so that they will do something to you and then you under
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something to you and then you under
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something to you and then you under their influence which was influenced by
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their influence which was influenced by
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their influence which was influenced by whatever then you will be able to do
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whatever then you will be able to do
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whatever then you will be able to do something Inu so this kind of like are
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something Inu so this kind of like are
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something Inu so this kind of like are not direct today they can but they not
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not direct today they can but they not
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not direct today they can but they not yeah so they are like well planed
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yeah so they are like well planed
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yeah so they are like well planed circumvent yeah so you often use this
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circumvent yeah so you often use this
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circumvent yeah so you often use this example silly example but it but that
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example silly example but it but that
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example silly example but it but that really just explains how silly this is
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really just explains how silly this is
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really just explains how silly this is uh the the um deep fake uh manager
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uh the the um deep fake uh manager
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uh the the um deep fake uh manager calling the uh you know the employee in
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calling the uh you know the employee in
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calling the uh you know the employee in the office saying oh it's your manager
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the office saying oh it's your manager
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the office saying oh it's your manager uh open the vault and take out all the
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uh open the vault and take out all the
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uh open the vault and take out all the money basically right
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money basically right
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money basically right it's of course Very contrived and silly
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it's of course Very contrived and silly
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it's of course Very contrived and silly when I say it that way but essentially
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when I say it that way but essentially
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when I say it that way but essentially this it's simple that's that is what
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this it's simple that's that is what
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this it's simple that's that is what happening right it's it's like okay you
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happening right it's it's like okay you
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happening right it's it's like okay you need to uh do whatever and and you're
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need to uh do whatever and and you're
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need to uh do whatever and and you're you think you're interacting with
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you think you're interacting with
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you think you're interacting with somebody with the right person but it is
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somebody with the right person but it is
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somebody with the right person but it is in fact the fake connecting to you and
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in fact the fake connecting to you and
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in fact the fake connecting to you and making you do stupid things and you're
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making you do stupid things and you're
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making you do stupid things and you're like oh shoot right so that's an
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like oh shoot right so that's an
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like oh shoot right so that's an interesting one so that's that's how
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interesting one so that's that's how
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interesting one so that's that's how they're using it to um to fake you out
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they're using it to um to fake you out
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they're using it to um to fake you out and and be be C Convent in the attack
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and and be be C Convent in the attack
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and and be be C Convent in the attack eventually wow wow okay that's really
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eventually wow wow okay that's really
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eventually wow wow okay that's really cool well anyway I think uh it's really
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cool well anyway I think uh it's really
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cool well anyway I think uh it's really nice to catch up with you but I'm going
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nice to catch up with you but I'm going
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nice to catch up with you but I'm going to I'm going to like let you go and I I
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to I'm going to like let you go and I I
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to I'm going to like let you go and I I think this has been a fascinating
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think this has been a fascinating
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think this has been a fascinating conversation on the cloud show so I want
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conversation on the cloud show so I want
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conversation on the cloud show so I want to thank you for being on the show today
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to thank you for being on the show today
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to thank you for being on the show today pleasure and you know let's go back to
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pleasure and you know let's go back to
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pleasure and you know let's go back to the conference and enjoy it let's enjoy
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the conference and enjoy it let's enjoy
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the conference and enjoy it let's enjoy it all right thanks guys see you next
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it all right thanks guys see you next
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it all right thanks guys see you next guys next time on the cloud show
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