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Hello everyone. Welcome to another
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Hello everyone. Welcome to another
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Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of the cloud show. And um today
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episode of the cloud show. And um today
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episode of the cloud show. And um today we're going to talk about a a big topic,
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we're going to talk about a a big topic,
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we're going to talk about a a big topic, a kind of complicated one or at least it
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a kind of complicated one or at least it
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a kind of complicated one or at least it it appears and feels complicated uh for
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it appears and feels complicated uh for
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it appears and feels complicated uh for most of normal persons. So fortunately
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most of normal persons. So fortunately
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most of normal persons. So fortunately we have a star on the show uh today who
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we have a star on the show uh today who
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we have a star on the show uh today who is a super expert in this field. We are
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is a super expert in this field. We are
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is a super expert in this field. We are going to talk about cyber security and
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going to talk about cyber security and
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going to talk about cyber security and compliance or zero trust cyber security
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compliance or zero trust cyber security
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compliance or zero trust cyber security those kinds of things. And the expert on
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those kinds of things. And the expert on
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those kinds of things. And the expert on the show today is Prabat Nigam.
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the show today is Prabat Nigam.
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the show today is Prabat Nigam. [Music]
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Hello sir.
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Hello sir.
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Hello sir. Hi Magnus. How are you doing?
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Hi Magnus. How are you doing?
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Hi Magnus. How are you doing? I'm doing very well. I'm so happy to
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I'm doing very well. I'm so happy to
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I'm doing very well. I'm so happy to have you on the show Prabot.
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have you on the show Prabot.
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have you on the show Prabot. Great to have you. Uh get to be there.
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Great to have you. Uh get to be there.
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Great to have you. Uh get to be there. Get to be here I should say. And uh
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Get to be here I should say. And uh
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Get to be here I should say. And uh absolutely.
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absolutely.
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absolutely. And and you're you're working out of um
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And and you're you're working out of um
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And and you're you're working out of um Los Angeles. I know you work for Golden
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Los Angeles. I know you work for Golden
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Los Angeles. I know you work for Golden Five Consulting.
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Five Consulting.
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Five Consulting. Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes. Mhm. That's a You're the the CTO, right?
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Mhm. That's a You're the the CTO, right?
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Mhm. That's a You're the the CTO, right? Yes. I'm the global CEO for Golden Five.
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Yes. I'm the global CEO for Golden Five.
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Yes. I'm the global CEO for Golden Five. Nice. Very nice. So tell us a little bit
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Nice. Very nice. So tell us a little bit
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Nice. Very nice. So tell us a little bit about you and then we'll dive into this
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about you and then we'll dive into this
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about you and then we'll dive into this um massive topic of cyber security.
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um massive topic of cyber security.
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um massive topic of cyber security. Yeah, sure. um 25 years in the IT
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Yeah, sure. um 25 years in the IT
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Yeah, sure. um 25 years in the IT industry, started working in Microsoft
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industry, started working in Microsoft
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industry, started working in Microsoft uh technologies and uh being an engineer
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uh technologies and uh being an engineer
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uh technologies and uh being an engineer to being a CTO living in USA. Uh life
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to being a CTO living in USA. Uh life
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to being a CTO living in USA. Uh life dream has achieved uh being Microsoft
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dream has achieved uh being Microsoft
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dream has achieved uh being Microsoft MVP worked in Microsoft uh we met at the
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MVP worked in Microsoft uh we met at the
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MVP worked in Microsoft uh we met at the MVP summit and we had a lot of fun and
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MVP summit and we had a lot of fun and
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MVP summit and we had a lot of fun and since then we are keep having fun and
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since then we are keep having fun and
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since then we are keep having fun and loving to be uh be around you. Um yeah
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loving to be uh be around you. Um yeah
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loving to be uh be around you. Um yeah but uh no I'm no more MVP. I don't find
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but uh no I'm no more MVP. I don't find
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but uh no I'm no more MVP. I don't find enough time to write a lot of blogs but
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enough time to write a lot of blogs but
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enough time to write a lot of blogs but I I'm still supporting Microsoft some
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I I'm still supporting Microsoft some
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I I'm still supporting Microsoft some more the other way as a Microsoft
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more the other way as a Microsoft
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more the other way as a Microsoft partner. So selling Microsoft talking
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partner. So selling Microsoft talking
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partner. So selling Microsoft talking about Microsoft product with the
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about Microsoft product with the
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about Microsoft product with the customers maybe in a closed room
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customers maybe in a closed room
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customers maybe in a closed room meetings not in the public.
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meetings not in the public.
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meetings not in the public. So that's that's a little changing but
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So that's that's a little changing but
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So that's that's a little changing but yeah I'm still doing some conferences
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yeah I'm still doing some conferences
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yeah I'm still doing some conferences speaking a lot uh on Microsoft product
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speaking a lot uh on Microsoft product
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speaking a lot uh on Microsoft product as well. So
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as well. So
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as well. So I I see you popping up at conferences
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I I see you popping up at conferences
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I I see you popping up at conferences now and then and and and I I realize and
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now and then and and and I I realize and
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now and then and and and I I realize and I understand that it's it has to be
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I understand that it's it has to be
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I understand that it's it has to be difficult. I mean, you have a demanding
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difficult. I mean, you have a demanding
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difficult. I mean, you have a demanding title, a global CTO for a large company,
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title, a global CTO for a large company,
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title, a global CTO for a large company, and being able to to be close to the
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and being able to to be close to the
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and being able to to be close to the community is maybe not always optimal,
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community is maybe not always optimal,
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community is maybe not always optimal, but hey, everybody knows you are the man
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but hey, everybody knows you are the man
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but hey, everybody knows you are the man to talk to when it comes to Exchange and
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to talk to when it comes to Exchange and
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to talk to when it comes to Exchange and various things. You you still run the
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various things. You you still run the
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various things. You you still run the Lexu UG, right? The user group for
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Lexu UG, right? The user group for
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Lexu UG, right? The user group for Exchange in in Los Angeles.
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Exchange in in Los Angeles.
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Exchange in in Los Angeles. Yes, I do. Uh time we have host the
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Yes, I do. Uh time we have host the
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Yes, I do. Uh time we have host the meetings uh like Microsoft just released
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meetings uh like Microsoft just released
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meetings uh like Microsoft just released the Exchange server SE. So we uh last I
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the Exchange server SE. So we uh last I
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the Exchange server SE. So we uh last I think last year we we we released an
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think last year we we we released an
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think last year we we we released an update or we had a uh meeting online
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update or we had a uh meeting online
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update or we had a uh meeting online meeting with New York with we
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meeting with New York with we
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meeting with New York with we collaborated with New York exchange user
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collaborated with New York exchange user
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collaborated with New York exchange user group. So LA Los Angeles and New York
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group. So LA Los Angeles and New York
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group. So LA Los Angeles and New York collaborated a joint event on talking
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collaborated a joint event on talking
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collaborated a joint event on talking about exchange server SE and how the
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about exchange server SE and how the
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about exchange server SE and how the pricing would be and everything. We
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pricing would be and everything. We
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pricing would be and everything. We still have a YouTube recording if anyone
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still have a YouTube recording if anyone
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still have a YouTube recording if anyone wants wants to look back and yeah it's
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wants wants to look back and yeah it's
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wants wants to look back and yeah it's still on the uh user group. We'll see if
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still on the uh user group. We'll see if
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still on the uh user group. We'll see if we can do a show link of your YouTube
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we can do a show link of your YouTube
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we can do a show link of your YouTube recording.
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recording.
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recording. But anyway, let's let's get to the
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But anyway, let's let's get to the
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But anyway, let's let's get to the topic. Let's get to the meat of this.
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topic. Let's get to the meat of this.
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topic. Let's get to the meat of this. So, zero trust cyber security frameworks
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So, zero trust cyber security frameworks
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So, zero trust cyber security frameworks and and and compliance and stuff. This
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and and and compliance and stuff. This
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and and and compliance and stuff. This is a for most people this is a
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is a for most people this is a
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is a for most people this is a complicated area.
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complicated area.
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complicated area. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Uh if we think about
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Yeah. Yeah, it is. Uh if we think about
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Yeah. Yeah, it is. Uh if we think about it uh today we are living in the world
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it uh today we are living in the world
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it uh today we are living in the world where we are getting um hits by a lot of
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where we are getting um hits by a lot of
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where we are getting um hits by a lot of cyber attacks
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cyber attacks
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cyber attacks and that's where the zero trust uh um
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and that's where the zero trust uh um
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and that's where the zero trust uh um cyber security framework comes in where
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cyber security framework comes in where
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cyber security framework comes in where we all we we have to um we have to build
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we all we we have to um we have to build
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we all we we have to um we have to build our infrastructure in a frame where we
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our infrastructure in a frame where we
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our infrastructure in a frame where we don't trust any uh hit being uh any
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don't trust any uh hit being uh any
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don't trust any uh hit being uh any authentication or any data or any um
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authentication or any data or any um
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authentication or any data or any um thing which we are using endpoints we
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thing which we are using endpoints we
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thing which we are using endpoints we don't have to uh give any leverage to
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don't have to uh give any leverage to
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don't have to uh give any leverage to anything so we it means we are not
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anything so we it means we are not
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anything so we it means we are not trusting anything anyone any document
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trusting anything anyone any document
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trusting anything anyone any document everything is protected in the
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everything is protected in the
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everything is protected in the organization so building that zero trust
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organization so building that zero trust
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organization so building that zero trust cyber security is is a way to go to
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cyber security is is a way to go to
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cyber security is is a way to go to protect yourself from the cyber attacks
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protect yourself from the cyber attacks
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protect yourself from the cyber attacks so then there are ready to to go like
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so then there are ready to to go like
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so then there are ready to to go like frameworks that that the producers or
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frameworks that that the producers or
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frameworks that that the producers or suppliers have have built and and are
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suppliers have have built and and are
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suppliers have have built and and are maintaining so for example Microsoft
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maintaining so for example Microsoft
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maintaining so for example Microsoft have a a zero trust cyber security
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have a a zero trust cyber security
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have a a zero trust cyber security framework.
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framework.
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framework. Yeah. So, Microsoft has built a lot of
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Yeah. So, Microsoft has built a lot of
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Yeah. So, Microsoft has built a lot of products which Microsoft in in line in
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products which Microsoft in in line in
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products which Microsoft in in line in that. So, you you can buy those
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that. So, you you can buy those
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that. So, you you can buy those Microsoft products like Microsoft
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Microsoft products like Microsoft
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Microsoft products like Microsoft Defender for endpoints, identity,
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Defender for endpoints, identity,
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Defender for endpoints, identity, security um um and IoT and whatnot cloud
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security um um and IoT and whatnot cloud
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security um um and IoT and whatnot cloud and keep going with that with Sentinel.
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and keep going with that with Sentinel.
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and keep going with that with Sentinel. But I mean again deployment is a key. So
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But I mean again deployment is a key. So
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But I mean again deployment is a key. So overall the identity security, data
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overall the identity security, data
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overall the identity security, data security, network security, um endpoint
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security, network security, um endpoint
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security, network security, um endpoint security basically four main securities
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security basically four main securities
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security basically four main securities if everyone has achieved um then they
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if everyone has achieved um then they
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if everyone has achieved um then they are probably zero trust uh obviously the
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are probably zero trust uh obviously the
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are probably zero trust uh obviously the access from public network should be
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access from public network should be
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access from public network should be blocked and everything. So that that
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blocked and everything. So that that
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blocked and everything. So that that part that's part of network security. So
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part that's part of network security. So
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part that's part of network security. So we help uh we utilize Microsoft
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we help uh we utilize Microsoft
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we help uh we utilize Microsoft framework, Microsoft software and we
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framework, Microsoft software and we
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framework, Microsoft software and we help the companies to implement zero
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help the companies to implement zero
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help the companies to implement zero trust framework uh where they will be
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trust framework uh where they will be
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trust framework uh where they will be pro they will be protected from any
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pro they will be protected from any
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pro they will be protected from any external attacks unless uh obviously I
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external attacks unless uh obviously I
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external attacks unless uh obviously I mean now you when we're talking about
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mean now you when we're talking about
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mean now you when we're talking about this topic it's sometimes it's
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this topic it's sometimes it's
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this topic it's sometimes it's identified as insider is a problem so
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identified as insider is a problem so
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identified as insider is a problem so insider brings or forwards some emails
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insider brings or forwards some emails
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insider brings or forwards some emails himself and those emails have some virus
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himself and those emails have some virus
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himself and those emails have some virus and something they opened up So I mean
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and something they opened up So I mean
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and something they opened up So I mean those are also protected by by the
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those are also protected by by the
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those are also protected by by the defender and other um mechanisms but how
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defender and other um mechanisms but how
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defender and other um mechanisms but how the company policies are restricted
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the company policies are restricted
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the company policies are restricted saying oh you're not allowed that's it
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saying oh you're not allowed that's it
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saying oh you're not allowed that's it or you have a choice you can open it by
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or you have a choice you can open it by
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or you have a choice you can open it by your discretion. So the moment you say
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your discretion. So the moment you say
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your discretion. So the moment you say okay you can open it by your discretion
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okay you can open it by your discretion
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okay you can open it by your discretion that's the challenge that's a risky
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that's the challenge that's a risky
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that's the challenge that's a risky risky statement or we don't allow that's
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risky statement or we don't allow that's
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risky statement or we don't allow that's it block that's zero trust we don't
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it block that's zero trust we don't
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it block that's zero trust we don't trust it
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trust it
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trust it right so there's a lot of configuration
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right so there's a lot of configuration
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right so there's a lot of configuration and things you can do to to deny um
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and things you can do to to deny um
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and things you can do to to deny um I mean every kind of any kind of attack
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I mean every kind of any kind of attack
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I mean every kind of any kind of attack right
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right
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right like yeah and a lot of companies wants
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like yeah and a lot of companies wants
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like yeah and a lot of companies wants to use USB to do that storage uh as
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to use USB to do that storage uh as
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to use USB to do that storage uh as external storage to take the copy and do
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external storage to take the copy and do
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external storage to take the copy and do the presentation do the sales uh
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the presentation do the sales uh
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the presentation do the sales uh especially for sales team and going to
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especially for sales team and going to
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especially for sales team and going to the customer then we are saying that's
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the customer then we are saying that's
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the customer then we are saying that's very hard to uh protect. So we are
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very hard to uh protect. So we are
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very hard to uh protect. So we are saying okay you what you can do if
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saying okay you what you can do if
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saying okay you what you can do if something is public sharable then send
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something is public sharable then send
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something is public sharable then send it to your public email id and then use
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it to your public email id and then use
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it to your public email id and then use it maybe a public computer which is out
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it maybe a public computer which is out
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it maybe a public computer which is out of network that's the right way to use
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of network that's the right way to use
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of network that's the right way to use it that that's those are security things
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it that that's those are security things
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it that that's those are security things very basic probably everyone knows but
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very basic probably everyone knows but
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very basic probably everyone knows but don't follow that's where we have to
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don't follow that's where we have to
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don't follow that's where we have to build a framework and start adding
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build a framework and start adding
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build a framework and start adding everything there and today we are
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everything there and today we are
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everything there and today we are selling that uh product and uh services
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selling that uh product and uh services
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selling that uh product and uh services implementing that
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implementing that
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implementing that right so tell me typically if somebody
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right so tell me typically if somebody
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right so tell me typically if somebody wants to like get into this. Now, I I
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wants to like get into this. Now, I I
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wants to like get into this. Now, I I assume if you're a large company, you
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assume if you're a large company, you
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assume if you're a large company, you should already be doing it. But but then
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should already be doing it. But but then
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should already be doing it. But but then again, I also assume you have you have
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again, I also assume you have you have
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again, I also assume you have you have plenty of customers that you you find
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plenty of customers that you you find
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plenty of customers that you you find that they they need to like improve
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that they they need to like improve
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that they they need to like improve their their security posture is not zero
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their their security posture is not zero
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their their security posture is not zero trust. It's not complete. It's not set
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trust. It's not complete. It's not set
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trust. It's not complete. It's not set up properly. What does it entail then to
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up properly. What does it entail then to
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up properly. What does it entail then to to get to such a point where you are
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to get to such a point where you are
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to get to such a point where you are where where you feel uh secure enough,
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where where you feel uh secure enough,
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where where you feel uh secure enough, if you will?
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if you will?
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if you will? Yeah, this is uh this is a hard uh thing
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Yeah, this is uh this is a hard uh thing
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Yeah, this is uh this is a hard uh thing to sell. Uh if if you are just stepping
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to sell. Uh if if you are just stepping
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to sell. Uh if if you are just stepping into a new uh customer place and say hey
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into a new uh customer place and say hey
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into a new uh customer place and say hey are you cyber secure? Uh first reply
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are you cyber secure? Uh first reply
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are you cyber secure? Uh first reply comes yeah we are we are using Microsoft
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comes yeah we are we are using Microsoft
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comes yeah we are we are using Microsoft we are secure everything is well done
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we are secure everything is well done
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we are secure everything is well done perfect
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perfect
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perfect and next thing I hear is oh after two
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and next thing I hear is oh after two
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and next thing I hear is oh after two days or two months they have been hit by
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days or two months they have been hit by
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days or two months they have been hit by a ransomware attack they had a data loss
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a ransomware attack they had a data loss
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a ransomware attack they had a data loss and everything or different places some
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and everything or different places some
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and everything or different places some everything got wiped off or they are
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everything got wiped off or they are
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everything got wiped off or they are going to pay ransom and that's where I
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going to pay ransom and that's where I
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going to pay ransom and that's where I that's when I say didn't didn't we
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that's when I say didn't didn't we
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that's when I say didn't didn't we talked about it and you said
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talked about it and you said
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talked about it and you said everything's safe and secure and now
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everything's safe and secure and now
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everything's safe and secure and now you're you're you're attacked
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you're you're you're attacked
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you're you're you're attacked and uh then they have no answer but uh
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and uh then they have no answer but uh
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and uh then they have no answer but uh that tells the real story. So what we
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that tells the real story. So what we
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that tells the real story. So what we what we always suggest to anyone is um
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what we always suggest to anyone is um
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what we always suggest to anyone is um let's go for a cyber security assessment
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let's go for a cyber security assessment
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let's go for a cyber security assessment that will tell you that okay what are
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that will tell you that okay what are
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that will tell you that okay what are the gaps what are the open points where
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the gaps what are the open points where
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the gaps what are the open points where the possible leaks can happen and uh you
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the possible leaks can happen and uh you
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the possible leaks can happen and uh you can get a hit. If uh they accept that
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can get a hit. If uh they accept that
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can get a hit. If uh they accept that that's where they it's a starting point
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that's where they it's a starting point
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that's where they it's a starting point and uh it has it has to be run by an
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and uh it has it has to be run by an
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and uh it has it has to be run by an external party who is who has some more
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external party who is who has some more
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external party who is who has some more interest in knowing the things and gaps
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interest in knowing the things and gaps
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interest in knowing the things and gaps not by the insider insider knows okay my
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not by the insider insider knows okay my
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not by the insider insider knows okay my CEO asked for an exception outsider
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CEO asked for an exception outsider
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CEO asked for an exception outsider don't know who is the CEO or who has
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don't know who is the CEO or who has
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don't know who is the CEO or who has asked for so
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asked for so
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asked for so yeah I agree with that because it's it's
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yeah I agree with that because it's it's
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yeah I agree with that because it's it's it's what they say right you you make
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it's what they say right you you make
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it's what they say right you you make the the absolute worst tester of your
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the the absolute worst tester of your
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the the absolute worst tester of your own things, right?
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own things, right?
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own things, right? Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes. Because you know exactly how how your
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Because you know exactly how how your
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Because you know exactly how how your own things are set up. If if you need to
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own things are set up. If if you need to
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own things are set up. If if you need to like
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like
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like walk a specific path to get around a
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walk a specific path to get around a
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walk a specific path to get around a problem, you know how to do that. But as
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problem, you know how to do that. But as
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problem, you know how to do that. But as a external tester, you'll just charge
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a external tester, you'll just charge
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a external tester, you'll just charge right in and and you'll hit the problem.
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right in and and you'll hit the problem.
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right in and and you'll hit the problem. Right.
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Right.
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Right. Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Exactly. So that that's that's our that's our
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So that that's that's our that's our
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So that that's that's our that's our focus which we recommend. That's a
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focus which we recommend. That's a
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focus which we recommend. That's a starting point. And in the cyber
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starting point. And in the cyber
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starting point. And in the cyber security space, man, a lot of things to
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security space, man, a lot of things to
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security space, man, a lot of things to be done. It's not is not ready. No one
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be done. It's not is not ready. No one
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be done. It's not is not ready. No one is ready. And now uh technology is is
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is ready. And now uh technology is is
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is ready. And now uh technology is is pushing them to go to towards AI. You
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pushing them to go to towards AI. You
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pushing them to go to towards AI. You know that's that's that's becoming more
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know that's that's that's becoming more
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know that's that's that's becoming more risky. And you you might have heard all
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risky. And you you might have heard all
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risky. And you you might have heard all the stories that hey AI we adopted the
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the stories that hey AI we adopted the
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the stories that hey AI we adopted the AI and AI destroyed everything in the
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AI and AI destroyed everything in the
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AI and AI destroyed everything in the company or AI took over uh their company
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company or AI took over uh their company
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company or AI took over uh their company not following the owner's guidance. So
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not following the owner's guidance. So
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not following the owner's guidance. So all kind of stories I'm listening all
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all kind of stories I'm listening all
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all kind of stories I'm listening all kind of impersonations happening today's
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kind of impersonations happening today's
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kind of impersonations happening today's in today's world. Someone may call me
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in today's world. Someone may call me
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in today's world. Someone may call me tomorrow as Magnus and I say, "Hey,
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tomorrow as Magnus and I say, "Hey,
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tomorrow as Magnus and I say, "Hey, Prabat, I need a help of $5,000." I know
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Prabat, I need a help of $5,000." I know
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Prabat, I need a help of $5,000." I know Magnus very well. I know this face very
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Magnus very well. I know this face very
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Magnus very well. I know this face very well. So, if someone comes with looking
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well. So, if someone comes with looking
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well. So, if someone comes with looking like you, yeah, maybe I'll transfer and
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like you, yeah, maybe I'll transfer and
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like you, yeah, maybe I'll transfer and uh but but that's where that's where the
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uh but but that's where that's where the
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uh but but that's where that's where the challenge is. So, no, I will better
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challenge is. So, no, I will better
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challenge is. So, no, I will better maybe verify that that's that's a better
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maybe verify that that's that's a better
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maybe verify that that's that's a better thing. I double check. Come on, man. You
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thing. I double check. Come on, man. You
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thing. I double check. Come on, man. You live in a in in Sweden. Um, and uh,
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live in a in in Sweden. Um, and uh,
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live in a in in Sweden. Um, and uh, yeah, you have, you had money and all of
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yeah, you have, you had money and all of
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yeah, you have, you had money and all of a sudden, how come you be bankrupt or
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a sudden, how come you be bankrupt or
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a sudden, how come you be bankrupt or something? You're asking,
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something? You're asking,
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something? You're asking, you know what, I could use $5,000. I'm
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you know what, I could use $5,000. I'm
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you know what, I could use $5,000. I'm just saying.
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just saying.
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just saying. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm saying is it might
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Yeah. Yeah. But I'm saying is it might
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Yeah. Yeah. But I'm saying is it might not be you. It might go to someone
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not be you. It might go to someone
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not be you. It might go to someone else's bank account. True.
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else's bank account. True.
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else's bank account. True. That's the problem. That's it's not
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That's the problem. That's it's not
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That's the problem. That's it's not about giving you $5,000, you know. So
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about giving you $5,000, you know. So
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about giving you $5,000, you know. So it's it's a new landscape out there with
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it's it's a new landscape out there with
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it's it's a new landscape out there with the ai stuff because obviously um the
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the ai stuff because obviously um the
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the ai stuff because obviously um the latest technology has always been used
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latest technology has always been used
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latest technology has always been used by cyber criminals always.
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by cyber criminals always.
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by cyber criminals always. So great strides for humanity like AI
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So great strides for humanity like AI
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So great strides for humanity like AI well you better believe that the bad
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well you better believe that the bad
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well you better believe that the bad guys will be using it too even more so
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guys will be using it too even more so
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guys will be using it too even more so than many of us maybe.
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than many of us maybe.
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than many of us maybe. Yeah. So uh nowadays it's a profession.
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Yeah. So uh nowadays it's a profession.
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Yeah. So uh nowadays it's a profession. It's a job. It's a legitimate job.
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It's a job. It's a legitimate job.
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It's a job. It's a legitimate job. Probably we know someone who is a who's
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Probably we know someone who is a who's
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Probably we know someone who is a who's working in those industries where they
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working in those industries where they
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working in those industries where they are they are hacking. Um you know always
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are they are hacking. Um you know always
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are they are hacking. Um you know always there used to be a saying in the past is
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there used to be a saying in the past is
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there used to be a saying in the past is like okay th these all antivirus
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like okay th these all antivirus
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like okay th these all antivirus companies may be producing the virus and
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companies may be producing the virus and
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companies may be producing the virus and then they are releasing the antivirus so
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then they are releasing the antivirus so
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then they are releasing the antivirus so that their antivirus would be sold.
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that their antivirus would be sold.
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that their antivirus would be sold. That's that's has been in the past
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That's that's has been in the past
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That's that's has been in the past saying there's no proof about it.
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saying there's no proof about it.
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saying there's no proof about it. There's no uh literal uh any validation
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There's no uh literal uh any validation
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There's no uh literal uh any validation about it. But this is this has been
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about it. But this is this has been
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about it. But this is this has been saying so you you never know that's
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saying so you you never know that's
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saying so you you never know that's that's the point. Maybe someone out of
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that's the point. Maybe someone out of
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that's the point. Maybe someone out of three friends of ours maybe one of them
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three friends of ours maybe one of them
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three friends of ours maybe one of them is working for a hacking company who's
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is working for a hacking company who's
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is working for a hacking company who's hacking the things.
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hacking the things.
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hacking the things. I know a couple of ethical hackers
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I know a couple of ethical hackers
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I know a couple of ethical hackers though, but I mean they're supposed to
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though, but I mean they're supposed to
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though, but I mean they're supposed to be the good guys. So I don't know that I
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be the good guys. So I don't know that I
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be the good guys. So I don't know that I know any any any real hackers uh out
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know any any any real hackers uh out
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know any any any real hackers uh out there. But let's be let's be a little
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there. But let's be let's be a little
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there. But let's be let's be a little practical here if we can for the with
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practical here if we can for the with
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practical here if we can for the with the limited time that we have. Again, if
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the limited time that we have. Again, if
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the limited time that we have. Again, if if a company wants to get into this like
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if a company wants to get into this like
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if a company wants to get into this like technically they would uh either have a
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technically they would uh either have a
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technically they would uh either have a problem already or they you know
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problem already or they you know
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problem already or they you know preferably they are want to do a checkup
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preferably they are want to do a checkup
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preferably they are want to do a checkup before they have a major problem.
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before they have a major problem.
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before they have a major problem. Absolutely. They should be they should
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Absolutely. They should be they should
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Absolutely. They should be they should be looking uh they should be um starting
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be looking uh they should be um starting
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be looking uh they should be um starting way before uh rather rather than having
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way before uh rather rather than having
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way before uh rather rather than having a problem. They should be look for
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a problem. They should be look for
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a problem. They should be look for compliance. I think compliance pushes a
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compliance. I think compliance pushes a
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compliance. I think compliance pushes a lot of uh security uh things. For
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lot of uh security uh things. For
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lot of uh security uh things. For example, right now we are helping a DoD
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example, right now we are helping a DoD
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example, right now we are helping a DoD contractors. We are a Microsoft AOSG
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contractors. We are a Microsoft AOSG
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contractors. We are a Microsoft AOSG partner which is a designation for um do
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partner which is a designation for um do
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partner which is a designation for um do for Microsoft GCC high and DoD licensing
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for Microsoft GCC high and DoD licensing
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for Microsoft GCC high and DoD licensing uh in USA. So we are reselling that.
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uh in USA. So we are reselling that.
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uh in USA. So we are reselling that. Along with that we learned that Micros
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Along with that we learned that Micros
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Along with that we learned that Micros um DoD released a new compliance in
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um DoD released a new compliance in
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um DoD released a new compliance in December last year. So that compliance
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December last year. So that compliance
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December last year. So that compliance our team is helping uh customers to
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our team is helping uh customers to
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our team is helping uh customers to implement DoD contractors to implement.
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implement DoD contractors to implement.
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implement DoD contractors to implement. So what it brings up it brings up ex
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So what it brings up it brings up ex
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So what it brings up it brings up ex almost everything in the zero trust
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almost everything in the zero trust
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almost everything in the zero trust framework. So you know you make your um
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framework. So you know you make your um
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framework. So you know you make your um identity secure you may with the multi
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identity secure you may with the multi
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identity secure you may with the multi for MFA or other other provisions also
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for MFA or other other provisions also
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for MFA or other other provisions also even with MFA the the point is if I'm
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even with MFA the the point is if I'm
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even with MFA the the point is if I'm logging in from different places Sweden,
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logging in from different places Sweden,
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logging in from different places Sweden, India, USA together at one point of time
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India, USA together at one point of time
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India, USA together at one point of time it might not be the same person. There's
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it might not be the same person. There's
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it might not be the same person. There's no there's no way possible. I'll be
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no there's no way possible. I'll be
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no there's no way possible. I'll be there in three places except I mean we
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there in three places except I mean we
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there in three places except I mean we have a virtual virtual environment so we
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have a virtual virtual environment so we
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have a virtual virtual environment so we can try to
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can try to
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can try to but yeah that's most likely it's not
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but yeah that's most likely it's not
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but yeah that's most likely it's not possible. So that's where the risky
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possible. So that's where the risky
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possible. So that's where the risky signins can be helpful which will
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signins can be helpful which will
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signins can be helpful which will autoblock the access saying that hey
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autoblock the access saying that hey
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autoblock the access saying that hey validate it it's not doesn't sound right
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validate it it's not doesn't sound right
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validate it it's not doesn't sound right at one point of time how can you log in
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at one point of time how can you log in
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at one point of time how can you log in from three different locations.
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from three different locations.
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from three different locations. Exactly. And then
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Exactly. And then
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Exactly. And then and then then then then you move to I
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and then then then then you move to I
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and then then then then you move to I mean all those these are the things
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mean all those these are the things
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mean all those these are the things which you implement with the um cyber
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which you implement with the um cyber
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which you implement with the um cyber security framework or um with zero trust
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security framework or um with zero trust
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security framework or um with zero trust in the compliance. So yeah, Kickstart
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in the compliance. So yeah, Kickstart
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in the compliance. So yeah, Kickstart point is a user um compliance. Uh you
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point is a user um compliance. Uh you
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point is a user um compliance. Uh you may go for CMMC, NIST, HIPPA. Um
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may go for CMMC, NIST, HIPPA. Um
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may go for CMMC, NIST, HIPPA. Um right,
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right,
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right, that's will be
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that's will be
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that's will be there are all of these compliancy levels
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there are all of these compliancy levels
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there are all of these compliancy levels and and some of them depending on what
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and and some of them depending on what
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and and some of them depending on what business you're in and what you do, you
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business you're in and what you do, you
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business you're in and what you do, you you are required to
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you are required to
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you are required to get the like the seal of approval uh for
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get the like the seal of approval uh for
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get the like the seal of approval uh for that. You're required to follow the
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that. You're required to follow the
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that. You're required to follow the standards, right?
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standards, right?
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standards, right? Yeah. uh obviously the industry required
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Yeah. uh obviously the industry required
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Yeah. uh obviously the industry required you to follow the standards otherwise
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you to follow the standards otherwise
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you to follow the standards otherwise you cannot do business with different
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you cannot do business with different
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you cannot do business with different different team different companies. So
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different team different companies. So
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different team different companies. So like talking about like I was talking
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like talking about like I was talking
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like talking about like I was talking about DoD uh so if you have to work with
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about DoD uh so if you have to work with
14:39
about DoD uh so if you have to work with DoD uh starting October I think the um
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DoD uh starting October I think the um
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DoD uh starting October I think the um contract will have the mandatory
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contract will have the mandatory
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contract will have the mandatory requirement for CMC compliance. Same way
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requirement for CMC compliance. Same way
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requirement for CMC compliance. Same way in in theos hospital hospital or medical
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in in theos hospital hospital or medical
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in in theos hospital hospital or medical industry hospitals I can imagine. Yeah
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industry hospitals I can imagine. Yeah
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industry hospitals I can imagine. Yeah very high bar. So, so essentially any
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very high bar. So, so essentially any
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very high bar. So, so essentially any any business that wants to to do
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any business that wants to to do
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any business that wants to to do business with these uh with these
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business with these uh with these
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business with these uh with these entities, they have to have the the
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entities, they have to have the the
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entities, they have to have the the compliancy standards and then they have
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compliancy standards and then they have
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compliancy standards and then they have to have like an audit and stuff, right?
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to have like an audit and stuff, right?
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to have like an audit and stuff, right? Yeah. And uh more or less almost every
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Yeah. And uh more or less almost every
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Yeah. And uh more or less almost every compliance what I what they ask you
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compliance what I what they ask you
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compliance what I what they ask you protect your identity uh protect your
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protect your identity uh protect your
15:15
protect your identity uh protect your data with encryption data loss
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data with encryption data loss
15:17
data with encryption data loss prevention and uh you know protect your
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prevention and uh you know protect your
15:20
prevention and uh you know protect your computer uh with the different you know
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computer uh with the different you know
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computer uh with the different you know uh like Microsoft defender is the best I
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uh like Microsoft defender is the best I
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uh like Microsoft defender is the best I would say uh using that and that reports
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would say uh using that and that reports
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would say uh using that and that reports the portal and everything it pushes. So
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the portal and everything it pushes. So
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the portal and everything it pushes. So use that kind of product so that or also
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use that kind of product so that or also
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use that kind of product so that or also device management using in tune. So that
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device management using in tune. So that
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device management using in tune. So that will all add together that anytime even
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will all add together that anytime even
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will all add together that anytime even if you lost device it is not you're not
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if you lost device it is not you're not
15:40
if you lost device it is not you're not losing any data.
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losing any data.
15:42
losing any data. So all those
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So all those
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So all those that's right
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that's right
15:44
that's right these are the common protections which
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these are the common protections which
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these are the common protections which are guided in every compliance if you
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are guided in every compliance if you
15:49
are guided in every compliance if you pick anything. So that's a starting
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pick anything. So that's a starting
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pick anything. So that's a starting point start
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point start
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point start right. So technically you go in and
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right. So technically you go in and
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right. So technically you go in and check that they are following all these
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check that they are following all these
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check that they are following all these things and and you also then like ensure
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things and and you also then like ensure
15:58
things and and you also then like ensure that their configuration of their things
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that their configuration of their things
16:00
that their configuration of their things is is in proper order and so forth.
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is is in proper order and so forth.
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is is in proper order and so forth. Absolutely. So yeah we when when we are
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Absolutely. So yeah we when when we are
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Absolutely. So yeah we when when we are engaged we look to see okay what
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engaged we look to see okay what
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engaged we look to see okay what compliance you're using oh this is this
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compliance you're using oh this is this
16:10
compliance you're using oh this is this doesn't look like you're using when we
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doesn't look like you're using when we
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doesn't look like you're using when we run the assessment we look to see
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run the assessment we look to see
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run the assessment we look to see different uh portion of it onromises
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different uh portion of it onromises
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different uh portion of it onromises cloud if most likely we recommend to s
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cloud if most likely we recommend to s
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cloud if most likely we recommend to s uh to lower the their IT boundaries uh
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uh to lower the their IT boundaries uh
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uh to lower the their IT boundaries uh so the bigger the boundary bigger the
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so the bigger the boundary bigger the
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so the bigger the boundary bigger the compliance investment would be so it's
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compliance investment would be so it's
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compliance investment would be so it's better to be lower down uh move uh move
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better to be lower down uh move uh move
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better to be lower down uh move uh move the data to shareepoint online or uh
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the data to shareepoint online or uh
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the data to shareepoint online or uh move the um computers or servers to
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move the um computers or servers to
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move the um computers or servers to Azure uh so that you don't have to worry
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Azure uh so that you don't have to worry
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Azure uh so that you don't have to worry about data center data center hacked as
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about data center data center hacked as
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about data center data center hacked as data center can be attacked by physical
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data center can be attacked by physical
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data center can be attacked by physical local people as well. So those risks are
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local people as well. So those risks are
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local people as well. So those risks are gone. I mean just think those things um
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gone. I mean just think those things um
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gone. I mean just think those things um in in in LA in LA a lot of vandalization
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in in in LA in LA a lot of vandalization
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in in in LA in LA a lot of vandalization happening a lot of loots happening. So
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happening a lot of loots happening. So
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happening a lot of loots happening. So we we are trying those are other
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we we are trying those are other
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we we are trying those are other physical concerns physical risk as well.
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physical concerns physical risk as well.
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physical concerns physical risk as well. So yeah
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So yeah
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So yeah uh those yeah assessment boundaries that
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uh those yeah assessment boundaries that
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uh those yeah assessment boundaries that that should be reduced um ID boundaries
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that should be reduced um ID boundaries
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that should be reduced um ID boundaries should be reduced that's that's another
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should be reduced that's that's another
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should be reduced that's that's another point we are making today. Yeah, that's
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point we are making today. Yeah, that's
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point we are making today. Yeah, that's how we start to see where are they and
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how we start to see where are they and
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how we start to see where are they and then where do where they should be with
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then where do where they should be with
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then where do where they should be with the benchmark and we try to help them
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the benchmark and we try to help them
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the benchmark and we try to help them achieve that.
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achieve that.
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achieve that. I understand. Yeah. So technically
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I understand. Yeah. So technically
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I understand. Yeah. So technically people should um know u a company should
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people should um know u a company should
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people should um know u a company should know what what standards they they need
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know what what standards they they need
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know what what standards they they need to live up to and and if they can't um
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to live up to and and if they can't um
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to live up to and and if they can't um fix that themsel or maybe even
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fix that themsel or maybe even
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fix that themsel or maybe even preferably they should go and and uh
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preferably they should go and and uh
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preferably they should go and and uh ensure they have someone um an expert
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ensure they have someone um an expert
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ensure they have someone um an expert who does it from the external because
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who does it from the external because
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who does it from the external because then they won't you know the expert will
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then they won't you know the expert will
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then they won't you know the expert will not have your uh pretty bad um personal
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not have your uh pretty bad um personal
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not have your uh pretty bad um personal like if it's my company I know where all
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like if it's my company I know where all
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like if it's my company I know where all the problems are right I I I'm I'm not a
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the problems are right I I I'm I'm not a
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the problems are right I I I'm I'm not a good tester. I'm not, you know, going to
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good tester. I'm not, you know, going to
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good tester. I'm not, you know, going to be able to do this this work properly,
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be able to do this this work properly,
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be able to do this this work properly, right?
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right?
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right? Yeah. Uh external MSSP sock services
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Yeah. Uh external MSSP sock services
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Yeah. Uh external MSSP sock services should be adopted uh so that someone is
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should be adopted uh so that someone is
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should be adopted uh so that someone is watching your alerts 24 by7 providing
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watching your alerts 24 by7 providing
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watching your alerts 24 by7 providing cyber security yearly uh security
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cyber security yearly uh security
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cyber security yearly uh security assessments, penetration testing,
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assessments, penetration testing,
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assessments, penetration testing, vulnerability assessments. These are the
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vulnerability assessments. These are the
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vulnerability assessments. These are the common things everyone should adopt in
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common things everyone should adopt in
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common things everyone should adopt in the IT world. Now, where are we heading?
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the IT world. Now, where are we heading?
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the IT world. Now, where are we heading? That's the point. Uh unless if there's a
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That's the point. Uh unless if there's a
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That's the point. Uh unless if there's a there's a company which is running IT
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there's a company which is running IT
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there's a company which is running IT shop in just in one room, they're not
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shop in just in one room, they're not
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shop in just in one room, they're not going out just sending the emails
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going out just sending the emails
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going out just sending the emails outside. That's a different scenario.
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outside. That's a different scenario.
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outside. That's a different scenario. But
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But
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But yeah. Yeah.
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yeah. Yeah.
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yeah. Yeah. Which is which is not today's IT. I
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Which is which is not today's IT. I
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Which is which is not today's IT. I think most
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think most
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think most No, it's not. I mean I definitely AI has
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No, it's not. I mean I definitely AI has
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No, it's not. I mean I definitely AI has I'm I'm glad you brought that up in this
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I'm I'm glad you brought that up in this
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I'm I'm glad you brought that up in this show today that that about this AI
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show today that that about this AI
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show today that that about this AI business because it is is most certainly
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business because it is is most certainly
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business because it is is most certainly changing things. I have I have uh
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changing things. I have I have uh
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changing things. I have I have uh effectively been able to and and and
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effectively been able to and and and
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effectively been able to and and and maybe I'm the hacker. No, I'm not. But
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maybe I'm the hacker. No, I'm not. But
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maybe I'm the hacker. No, I'm not. But but I can actually ask stuff like chat
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but I can actually ask stuff like chat
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but I can actually ask stuff like chat GPT, you know, provide me the hack for
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GPT, you know, provide me the hack for
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GPT, you know, provide me the hack for so and so and and they can chat GTP can
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so and so and and they can chat GTP can
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so and so and and they can chat GTP can literally just give me a script. Hey,
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literally just give me a script. Hey,
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literally just give me a script. Hey, run this.
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run this.
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run this. Yeah, it does. It does.
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Yeah, it does. It does.
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Yeah, it does. It does. That's how that's how super simple this
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That's how that's how super simple this
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That's how that's how super simple this has become, right? To use
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has become, right? To use
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has become, right? To use my team reported that. I was like my
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my team reported that. I was like my
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my team reported that. I was like my team reported that. I was I was excited
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team reported that. I was I was excited
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team reported that. I was I was excited to see that. I'm like, "Okay, show me
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to see that. I'm like, "Okay, show me
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to see that. I'm like, "Okay, show me that how it writes and everything."
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that how it writes and everything."
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that how it writes and everything." Literally wrote that and it's definitely
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Literally wrote that and it's definitely
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Literally wrote that and it's definitely looking into the internet and copying
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looking into the internet and copying
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looking into the internet and copying the commands from there. So, um yeah. Um
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the commands from there. So, um yeah. Um
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the commands from there. So, um yeah. Um so the point was that zero trust is is a
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so the point was that zero trust is is a
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so the point was that zero trust is is a point. So don't trust on anyone
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point. So don't trust on anyone
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point. So don't trust on anyone mean that your friend is a hacker or my
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mean that your friend is a hacker or my
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mean that your friend is a hacker or my friend is a hacker but uh it it is
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friend is a hacker but uh it it is
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friend is a hacker but uh it it is possible because that's also a good that
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possible because that's also a good that
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possible because that's also a good that al that is also a profession. It's no
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al that is also a profession. It's no
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al that is also a profession. It's no more a hidden job. It may not be
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more a hidden job. It may not be
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more a hidden job. It may not be published uh widely but they there are
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published uh widely but they there are
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published uh widely but they there are people who are working uh eight hours in
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people who are working uh eight hours in
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people who are working uh eight hours in that in those places as well. So they
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that in those places as well. So they
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that in those places as well. So they are not
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are not
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are not Yeah definitely to to work with hacking.
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Yeah definitely to to work with hacking.
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Yeah definitely to to work with hacking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So um listen
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So um listen
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So um listen I think we covered a lot of ground here
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I think we covered a lot of ground here
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I think we covered a lot of ground here today and this is a huge topic. We could
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today and this is a huge topic. We could
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today and this is a huge topic. We could probably talk about this for hours but
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probably talk about this for hours but
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probably talk about this for hours but unfortunately as usual this these uh
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unfortunately as usual this these uh
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unfortunately as usual this these uh show episodes are quite short. So we are
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show episodes are quite short. So we are
20:10
show episodes are quite short. So we are um wrapping it up. Um but uh it is more
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um wrapping it up. Um but uh it is more
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um wrapping it up. Um but uh it is more important than ever to be uh secure
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important than ever to be uh secure
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important than ever to be uh secure because AI is is making things uh you
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because AI is is making things uh you
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because AI is is making things uh you know more brittle potentially more
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know more brittle potentially more
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know more brittle potentially more challen like anyone can hack now
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challen like anyone can hack now
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challen like anyone can hack now uh so cyber uh cyber security frameworks
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uh so cyber uh cyber security frameworks
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uh so cyber uh cyber security frameworks and zero trust policies that's where you
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and zero trust policies that's where you
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and zero trust policies that's where you should be going if you don't have that
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should be going if you don't have that
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should be going if you don't have that under control that's what you should be
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under control that's what you should be
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under control that's what you should be doing right
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doing right
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doing right yes absolutely
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yes absolutely
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yes absolutely that's the conclusion of today super hey
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that's the conclusion of today super hey
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that's the conclusion of today super hey I want to thank you prabat for being on
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I want to thank you prabat for being on
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I want to thank you prabat for being on the show today. It was really nice to
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the show today. It was really nice to
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the show today. It was really nice to have you and you know you should come
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have you and you know you should come
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have you and you know you should come back sometime and talk about something
20:45
back sometime and talk about something
20:45
back sometime and talk about something else.
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else.
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else. Absolutely Magnus. It was fun being
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Absolutely Magnus. It was fun being
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Absolutely Magnus. It was fun being here. It was nice and I think 20 minutes
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here. It was nice and I think 20 minutes
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here. It was nice and I think 20 minutes pass in 20 seconds. So
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pass in 20 seconds. So
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pass in 20 seconds. So I know that's that's that's terrible but
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I know that's that's that's terrible but
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I know that's that's that's terrible but that's how it goes and uh the audience
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that's how it goes and uh the audience
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that's how it goes and uh the audience appreciates the the format. So audience
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appreciates the the format. So audience
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appreciates the the format. So audience thank you for listening today. We will
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