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Join us in this episode of Ask Me Anything Series on August 20, 10:00 am EST with David McCarter as he brings his years of experience as a professional software developer to talk about maintaining open-source projects and NuGet packages.
AGENDA
The agenda is up to the people participating in this event. I have been a professional software developer for over 26 years and have had open-source projects ever since around Microsoft .NET v2.0 time frame. First on CodePlex and now on GitHub. All of the .NET Core projects are also available from NuGet.
- Why you should have and maintain open-source projects
- Open-source culture and remembering to be nice
- Unit testing
- Benchmarking
- Releasing source
- Releasing packages on NuGet
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that which location is it and since the
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that which location is it and since the today's session is about open source
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today's session is about open source
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today's session is about open source projects
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projects
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projects let us know if you have ever contributed
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let us know if you have ever contributed
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let us know if you have ever contributed to any open source projects or even how
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to any open source projects or even how
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to any open source projects or even how often you contribute to your personal
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often you contribute to your personal
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github or any other platform so in
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github or any other platform so in today's session
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today's session
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today's session we are we will be joined by david
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we are we will be joined by david
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we are we will be joined by david mccarter who is a microsoft mep
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mccarter who is a microsoft mep
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mccarter who is a microsoft mep c shop on that mvp and a c sharp corner
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writer author speaker and a consultant
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writer author speaker and a consultant david has also won many awards ran a
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david has also won many awards ran a
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david has also won many awards ran a user group for more than 20 years and is
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user group for more than 20 years and is
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user group for more than 20 years and is a patent inventor
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a patent inventor
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a patent inventor in this live session if you are a
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in this live session if you are a
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in this live session if you are a software developer you can ask him
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software developer you can ask him
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software developer you can ask him anything
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anything
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anything regarding uh software architecture open
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regarding uh software architecture open
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regarding uh software architecture open source more focus for this show
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source more focus for this show
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source more focus for this show so let's go ahead and invite our
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so let's go ahead and invite our
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so let's go ahead and invite our guest of the show david mccarthy
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[Music] hi david welcome to the live show hey
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hi david welcome to the live show hey
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hi david welcome to the live show hey how's it going
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how's it going
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how's it going i'm doing good it looks like you are
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i'm doing good it looks like you are
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i'm doing good it looks like you are joining us really early in the morning
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joining us really early in the morning
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joining us really early in the morning california right what time is it at your
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california right what time is it at your
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california right what time is it at your place
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place
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place seven a.m
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seven a.m is too early david what time
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seven a.m is too early david what time
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seven a.m is too early david what time did you wake up
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did you wake up
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did you wake up for this session um well i had my
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for this session um well i had my
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for this session um well i had my alarm set for 5 30 but i woke up around
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alarm set for 5 30 but i woke up around
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alarm set for 5 30 but i woke up around 5. so
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5. so
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5. so um you know we're having uh
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um you know we're having uh
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um you know we're having uh oh go ahead so i mean yeah
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oh go ahead so i mean yeah
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oh go ahead so i mean yeah during the live show i've often seen the
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during the live show i've often seen the
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during the live show i've often seen the alexa would turn out right and say hey
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alexa would turn out right and say hey
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alexa would turn out right and say hey it's time for breakfast right
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it's time for breakfast right
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it's time for breakfast right sometimes your elixir would just which
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sometimes your elixir would just which
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sometimes your elixir would just which this has happened many times that you
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this has happened many times that you
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this has happened many times that you have been a frequent speaker
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have been a frequent speaker
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have been a frequent speaker both in our offline events and now in
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both in our offline events and now in
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both in our offline events and now in online events we always love to have you
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online events we always love to have you
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online events we always love to have you on on our on our platform and you have
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on on our on our platform and you have
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on on our on our platform and you have been a featured uh
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been a featured uh
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been a featured uh author on our platform so david tell me
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author on our platform so david tell me
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author on our platform so david tell me um how is it going how how
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um how is it going how how
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um how is it going how how uh you are managing as you say we're
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uh you are managing as you say we're
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uh you are managing as you say we're gonna talk about open source project
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gonna talk about open source project
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gonna talk about open source project quite a quick a quick intro on how you
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quite a quick a quick intro on how you
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quite a quick a quick intro on how you got into open source
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got into open source
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got into open source and how or what will be the agenda for
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and how or what will be the agenda for
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and how or what will be the agenda for today
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today
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today yeah sure so um welcome everybody i'm
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yeah sure so um welcome everybody i'm
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yeah sure so um welcome everybody i'm i'm glad everybody's here this is
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i'm glad everybody's here this is
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i'm glad everybody's here this is uh my first session ever that i've done
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uh my first session ever that i've done
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uh my first session ever that i've done at 7am
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so please bear with me on my i'm on my
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so please bear with me on my i'm on my
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so please bear with me on my i'm on my third cup of coffee so hopefully that's
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third cup of coffee so hopefully that's
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third cup of coffee so hopefully that's going to help out
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going to help out
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going to help out um uh but to kind of tell you the story
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um uh but to kind of tell you the story
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um uh but to kind of tell you the story how i got into open source
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how i got into open source
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how i got into open source was really i was thinking about this the
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was really i was thinking about this the
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was really i was thinking about this the other day it was about
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other day it was about
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other day it was about i would say about 18 years ago actually
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i would say about 18 years ago actually
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i would say about 18 years ago actually um
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um
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um i think it was right around the time
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i think it was right around the time
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i think it was right around the time that donned 1.1 or dot net 2 came out i
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that donned 1.1 or dot net 2 came out i
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that donned 1.1 or dot net 2 came out i forget which i think
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forget which i think
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forget which i think done at 1.1 where you know
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done at 1.1 where you know
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done at 1.1 where you know i was you know i was seeing a lot of
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i was you know i was seeing a lot of
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i was you know i was seeing a lot of code
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code
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code at different companies i worked at i was
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at different companies i worked at i was
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at different companies i worked at i was writing the same code over and over
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writing the same code over and over
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writing the same code over and over again
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again
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again you know and i hate doing that you know
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you know and i hate doing that you know
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you know and i hate doing that you know i hate duplicate code i hate doing the
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i hate duplicate code i hate doing the
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i hate duplicate code i hate doing the same thing over so you know i started
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same thing over so you know i started
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same thing over so you know i started this project which is the one i'm going
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this project which is the one i'm going
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this project which is the one i'm going to show you today
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to show you today
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to show you today that is basically all the common code i
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that is basically all the common code i
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that is basically all the common code i write at companies
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write at companies
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write at companies for the last 18 years and
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for the last 18 years and
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for the last 18 years and you know it started out and done at 1.1
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you know it started out and done at 1.1
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you know it started out and done at 1.1 or so you know it's moved up and now
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or so you know it's moved up and now
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or so you know it's moved up and now you know the current version is all in
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you know the current version is all in
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you know the current version is all in dot net core.net standard
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dot net core.net standard
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dot net core.net standard and now i'm planning um how i'm going to
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and now i'm planning um how i'm going to
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and now i'm planning um how i'm going to move that into done at five in november
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move that into done at five in november
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move that into done at five in november so um i've been doing this a long time
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so um i've been doing this a long time
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so um i've been doing this a long time yeah i mean 18 years is a definitely
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yeah i mean 18 years is a definitely
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yeah i mean 18 years is a definitely long time david and and this
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long time david and and this
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long time david and and this sounds very it sounds very cool that
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sounds very it sounds very cool that
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sounds very it sounds very cool that you're going to bring
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you're going to bring
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you're going to bring all that gold that you have been
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all that gold that you have been
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all that gold that you have been repetitively writing from all those
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repetitively writing from all those
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repetitively writing from all those years right
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years right
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years right and you have just kind of created a
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and you have just kind of created a
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and you have just kind of created a repository or a repo
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repository or a repo
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repository or a repo where people can actually you know look
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where people can actually you know look
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where people can actually you know look at it hey it's the codes i'm writing and
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at it hey it's the codes i'm writing and
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at it hey it's the codes i'm writing and you have just open sources that way
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you have just open sources that way
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you have just open sources that way there's gonna be i think really
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there's gonna be i think really
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there's gonna be i think really interesting of what we'll be talking
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interesting of what we'll be talking
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interesting of what we'll be talking today
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today
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today and david he also as you said you
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and david he also as you said you
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and david he also as you said you mentioned about net core open source
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mentioned about net core open source
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mentioned about net core open source your
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your
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your i think you do work on blazer too right
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i think you do work on blazer too right
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i think you do work on blazer too right that's also something so
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that's also something so
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that's also something so um shall i bring your screen and let's
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um shall i bring your screen and let's
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um shall i bring your screen and let's get started
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get started
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get started sure all right i have a screen
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sure all right i have a screen
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sure all right i have a screen perfect right so uh again welcome to
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perfect right so uh again welcome to
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perfect right so uh again welcome to everybody to
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everybody to
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everybody to uh this ama session with me um i'm glad
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uh this ama session with me um i'm glad
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uh this ama session with me um i'm glad everybody's here
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everybody's here
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everybody's here and uh uh and please you know this is
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and uh uh and please you know this is
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and uh uh and please you know this is ask me anything so please ask me
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ask me anything so please ask me
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ask me anything so please ask me anything it doesn't have to be on
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anything it doesn't have to be on
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anything it doesn't have to be on open source you know i'm more willing to
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open source you know i'm more willing to
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open source you know i'm more willing to talk about
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talk about
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talk about anything you want to it's it's it's it's
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anything you want to it's it's it's it's
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anything you want to it's it's it's it's really up to you guys but
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really up to you guys but
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really up to you guys but i do have some slides prepared to kind
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i do have some slides prepared to kind
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i do have some slides prepared to kind of show you
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of show you
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of show you part of my journey that i've gone
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part of my journey that i've gone
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part of my journey that i've gone through and then i hope that you ask a
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through and then i hope that you ask a
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through and then i hope that you ask a lot of questions
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lot of questions
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lot of questions i i can see the ones on youtube but um i
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i i can see the ones on youtube but um i
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i i can see the ones on youtube but um i hope you ask questions because this
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hope you ask questions because this
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hope you ask questions because this session is really for you guys
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session is really for you guys
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session is really for you guys so uh i hope you'll participate
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so uh i hope you'll participate
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so uh i hope you'll participate so i know steven is is uh talked a
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so i know steven is is uh talked a
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so i know steven is is uh talked a little bit about me so i won't
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little bit about me so i won't
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little bit about me so i won't go over this too much but there's my
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go over this too much but there's my
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go over this too much but there's my email address if you want to contact me
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email address if you want to contact me
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email address if you want to contact me um i've been a software you know
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um i've been a software you know
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um i've been a software you know professional software developer
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professional software developer
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professional software developer for uh over 26 years now so
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for uh over 26 years now so
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for uh over 26 years now so um it's not hard to find me i'd also
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um it's not hard to find me i'd also
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um it's not hard to find me i'd also like to
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like to
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like to push a little bit uh one of my latest
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push a little bit uh one of my latest
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push a little bit uh one of my latest books which is all about code
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books which is all about code
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books which is all about code performance
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performance
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performance um it's been out since um the end of
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um it's been out since um the end of
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um it's been out since um the end of last year
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last year
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last year um i hope you'll pick up a copy on
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um i hope you'll pick up a copy on
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um i hope you'll pick up a copy on amazon because
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amazon because
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amazon because um a hundred percent of the proceeds
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um a hundred percent of the proceeds
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um a hundred percent of the proceeds goes to the voice of slum ngo in india
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goes to the voice of slum ngo in india
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goes to the voice of slum ngo in india so uh i know this book is hard to get in
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so uh i know this book is hard to get in
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so uh i know this book is hard to get in india but if you don't live in india
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india but if you don't live in india
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india but if you don't live in india please buy a copy and do some good for
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please buy a copy and do some good for
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please buy a copy and do some good for the voice of slum because they really
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the voice of slum because they really
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the voice of slum because they really need your help
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need your help
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need your help especially dealing with a pandemic right
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especially dealing with a pandemic right
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especially dealing with a pandemic right now so um
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now so um
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now so um i hope you'll give back um one more
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i hope you'll give back um one more
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i hope you'll give back um one more marketing thing i guess is uh i'm on a
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marketing thing i guess is uh i'm on a
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marketing thing i guess is uh i'm on a contract right now that's ending at the
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contract right now that's ending at the
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contract right now that's ending at the end of november so um if you know of any
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end of november so um if you know of any
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end of november so um if you know of any contract openings remote contract
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contract openings remote contract
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contract openings remote contract openings coming up around that time
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openings coming up around that time
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openings coming up around that time please let me know
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please let me know
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please let me know uh because i'll be looking for a new gig
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uh because i'll be looking for a new gig
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uh because i'll be looking for a new gig so
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there's my email there's my personal
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there's my email there's my personal
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there's my email there's my personal email address
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so let's let's talk a little bit about
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so let's let's talk a little bit about
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so let's let's talk a little bit about uh open source uh
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uh open source uh
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uh open source uh but before i i forgot you know we our
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but before i i forgot you know we our
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but before i i forgot you know we our summer in in san diego finally hit last
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summer in in san diego finally hit last
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summer in in san diego finally hit last week so it's already i'm already
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week so it's already i'm already
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week so it's already i'm already sweating so
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sweating so
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sweating so um i had to open up all my windows and
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um i had to open up all my windows and
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um i had to open up all my windows and stuff to kind of cool this place down so
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stuff to kind of cool this place down so
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stuff to kind of cool this place down so um also i forgot to say please
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um also i forgot to say please
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um also i forgot to say please stay safe from this horrible pandemic
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stay safe from this horrible pandemic
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stay safe from this horrible pandemic that we're dealing with
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that we're dealing with
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that we're dealing with um i found out sunday that my daughter
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um i found out sunday that my daughter
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um i found out sunday that my daughter has covet 19. so
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has covet 19. so
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has covet 19. so um please be careful out there and uh
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um please be careful out there and uh
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um please be careful out there and uh because i want to see you back at one of
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because i want to see you back at one of
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because i want to see you back at one of these or back live at the c-sharp corner
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these or back live at the c-sharp corner
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these or back live at the c-sharp corner conference maybe next year
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conference maybe next year
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conference maybe next year or the year after who knows okay
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or the year after who knows okay
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or the year after who knows okay so um let's go over the official i guess
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so um let's go over the official i guess
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so um let's go over the official i guess description of what open source is uh
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description of what open source is uh
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description of what open source is uh and this is from wikipedia and i
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and this is from wikipedia and i
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and this is from wikipedia and i highlighted the things that
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highlighted the things that
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highlighted the things that really mean the most to me and that is
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really mean the most to me and that is
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really mean the most to me and that is you know this
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you know this
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you know this the use of of code design documents or
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the use of of code design documents or
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the use of of code design documents or content
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content
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content you know and in our case it's mostly the
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you know and in our case it's mostly the
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you know and in our case it's mostly the code part
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code part
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code part but you know open source is basically
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but you know open source is basically
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but you know open source is basically just a way to put your code out there
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just a way to put your code out there
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just a way to put your code out there and have other people use it you know
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and have other people use it you know
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and have other people use it you know it's um
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it's um
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it's um we've had ways of doing this for uh a
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we've had ways of doing this for uh a
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we've had ways of doing this for uh a long time
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long time
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long time um even back in the modem days when we
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um even back in the modem days when we
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um even back in the modem days when we didn't have cable
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didn't have cable
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didn't have cable you know or wi-fi you know we had ways
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you know or wi-fi you know we had ways
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you know or wi-fi you know we had ways of distributing code
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of distributing code
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of distributing code uh but nothing like we do now it's it's
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uh but nothing like we do now it's it's
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uh but nothing like we do now it's it's so much easier now and especially if you
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so much easier now and especially if you
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so much easier now and especially if you use github
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use github
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use github there and i'll show you a couple of the
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there and i'll show you a couple of the
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there and i'll show you a couple of the new features that i i really like
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new features that i i really like
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new features that i i really like that just came out from github you know
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that just came out from github you know
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that just came out from github you know github makes it really easy to
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github makes it really easy to
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github makes it really easy to share your source
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and the whole idea of sharing your
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and the whole idea of sharing your
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and the whole idea of sharing your source is is basically sharing your
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source is is basically sharing your
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source is is basically sharing your intellectual
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intellectual
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intellectual property um and for it
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property um and for it
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property um and for it for the good of others you know and um
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for the good of others you know and um
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for the good of others you know and um other developers
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other developers
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other developers um you know they're
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um you know they're
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um you know they're and that's yeah well i'll talk about
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and that's yeah well i'll talk about
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and that's yeah well i'll talk about what it means to me but that's basically
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what it means to me but that's basically
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what it means to me but that's basically it you're sharing your source code so if
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it you're sharing your source code so if
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it you're sharing your source code so if you put it out on github on a public
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you put it out on github on a public
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you put it out on github on a public repository
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repository
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repository it's open to the world no matter where
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it's open to the world no matter where
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it's open to the world no matter where you know no matter where somebody is so
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you know no matter where somebody is so
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you know no matter where somebody is so it's just a way to help people if you
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it's just a way to help people if you
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it's just a way to help people if you ask me
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ask me
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ask me but there's other reasons too which i'll
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but there's other reasons too which i'll
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but there's other reasons too which i'll go over
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go over
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go over i do want to share this original term
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i do want to share this original term
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i do want to share this original term that's also in wikipedia i don't want to
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that's also in wikipedia i don't want to
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that's also in wikipedia i don't want to talk about it too much because
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talk about it too much because
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talk about it too much because you know um the people who originally
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you know um the people who originally
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you know um the people who originally started open source
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started open source
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started open source um had some motives uh that
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um had some motives uh that
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um had some motives uh that don't really reflect with mine and and
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don't really reflect with mine and and
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don't really reflect with mine and and so because of that i don't really see
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so because of that i don't really see
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so because of that i don't really see myself as an open source developer
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myself as an open source developer
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myself as an open source developer because i kind of wanted to stay away
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because i kind of wanted to stay away
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because i kind of wanted to stay away from the the darker side of open source
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from the the darker side of open source
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from the the darker side of open source um because there is one i just wanted to
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um because there is one i just wanted to
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um because there is one i just wanted to let you know
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let you know
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let you know uh so you'll be warned but don't be
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uh so you'll be warned but don't be
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uh so you'll be warned but don't be discouraged because there's lots of
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discouraged because there's lots of
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discouraged because there's lots of people like me
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people like me
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people like me that that don't go along with the
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that that don't go along with the
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that that don't go along with the original
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original
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original um uh mantra of open source i guess
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um uh mantra of open source i guess
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um uh mantra of open source i guess but it's basically just free software
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but it's basically just free software
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but it's basically just free software free free uh
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free free uh
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free free uh code you know back uh when i started uh
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code you know back uh when i started uh
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code you know back uh when i started uh programming a long long time ago you
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programming a long long time ago you
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programming a long long time ago you know we had
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know we had
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know we had um the where the way we shared um
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um the where the way we shared um
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um the where the way we shared um applications uh and this was back in the
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applications uh and this was back in the
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applications uh and this was back in the modem days
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modem days
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modem days you know we had a you know we had a term
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you know we had a you know we had a term
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you know we had a you know we had a term called uh
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called uh
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called uh freeware uh or uh shareware freeware was
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freeware uh or uh shareware freeware was
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freeware uh or uh shareware freeware was free software
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free software
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free software you could download from a bbs system and
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you could download from a bbs system and
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you could download from a bbs system and use it all you want
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use it all you want
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use it all you want and actually i think my first project i
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and actually i think my first project i
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and actually i think my first project i did
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did
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did was freeware um the second project i did
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was freeware um the second project i did
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was freeware um the second project i did was actually shareware
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was actually shareware
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was actually shareware shareware is uh is a way we use to
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shareware is uh is a way we use to
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shareware is uh is a way we use to give software um out for people to try
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give software um out for people to try
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give software um out for people to try for a limited time and then if they
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for a limited time and then if they
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for a limited time and then if they liked it uh they would buy it
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liked it uh they would buy it
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liked it uh they would buy it and um i actually made money back then
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and um i actually made money back then
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and um i actually made money back then uh
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uh
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uh you know i sold um software for around
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you know i sold um software for around
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you know i sold um software for around 25
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25
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25 and this is back in the 90s and uh
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and this is back in the 90s and uh
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and this is back in the 90s and uh you know there's i have written other
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you know there's i have written other
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you know there's i have written other stories about this but
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stories about this but
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stories about this but you know there was a time where i was
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you know there was a time where i was
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you know there was a time where i was shipping more software than i really
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shipping more software than i really
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shipping more software than i really wanted to because it took time away from
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wanted to because it took time away from
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wanted to because it took time away from writing software so
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writing software so
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writing software so um so we had we've had other ways of
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um so we had we've had other ways of
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um so we had we've had other ways of sharing things um ever since the
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sharing things um ever since the
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sharing things um ever since the beginning but
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beginning but
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beginning but like i said in these days uh
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like i said in these days uh
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like i said in these days uh it's a lot lot easier to do it and a lot
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it's a lot lot easier to do it and a lot
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it's a lot lot easier to do it and a lot easier to get paid back for it and a
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easier to get paid back for it and a
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easier to get paid back for it and a little bit about
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little bit about
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little bit about that i'll talk about too
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so like i said before what does
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so like i said before what does
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so like i said before what does shareware really mean to i mean
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shareware really mean to i mean
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shareware really mean to i mean shareware open source really mean to me
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shareware open source really mean to me
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shareware open source really mean to me and
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and
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and to me it's always been a way for me to
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to me it's always been a way for me to
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to me it's always been a way for me to share my code to help other developers
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share my code to help other developers
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share my code to help other developers in the world
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in the world
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in the world um that's basically it and the and the
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um that's basically it and the and the
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um that's basically it and the and the repository i'm going to show you
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repository i'm going to show you
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repository i'm going to show you is exactly that um
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is exactly that um
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is exactly that um it's uh like i said in the beginning
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it's uh like i said in the beginning
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it's uh like i said in the beginning it's a repository
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it's a repository
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it's a repository that i've been working on since dot net
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that i've been working on since dot net
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that i've been working on since dot net 1.1 about
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1.1 about
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1.1 about and i've always given it out for free
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and i've always given it out for free
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and i've always given it out for free and um
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and um
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and um because i want to help other developers
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because i want to help other developers
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because i want to help other developers i not only do want to help myself which
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i not only do want to help myself which
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i not only do want to help myself which you'll see when i show you the project
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you'll see when i show you the project
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you'll see when i show you the project but i want to help other developers make
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but i want to help other developers make
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but i want to help other developers make their coding life easier that's
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their coding life easier that's
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their coding life easier that's really what it means to me and again
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really what it means to me and again
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really what it means to me and again there's other reasons
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there's other reasons
15:05
there's other reasons this is a good idea and we'll go over
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this is a good idea and we'll go over
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this is a good idea and we'll go over some of those
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yeah please ask me questions on youtube
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yeah please ask me questions on youtube
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yeah please ask me questions on youtube so i can see them
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so i can see them
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so i can see them um so
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um so
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um so besides just helping others
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besides just helping others
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besides just helping others you know you know what are the other
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you know you know what are the other
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you know you know what are the other good things about
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good things about
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good things about doing an open source project well
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doing an open source project well
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doing an open source project well it's really really great at getting a
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it's really really great at getting a
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it's really really great at getting a job
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job
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job because you know when you apply for a
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because you know when you apply for a
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because you know when you apply for a job you can put your repository on your
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job you can put your repository on your
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job you can put your repository on your resume and people can go
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resume and people can go
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resume and people can go look at your repository and see your
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look at your repository and see your
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look at your repository and see your code and see how you code
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code and see how you code
15:43
code and see how you code you know maybe get an idea how you think
15:45
you know maybe get an idea how you think
15:45
you know maybe get an idea how you think um
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um
15:47
um and they'll see how well you wrote the
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and they'll see how well you wrote the
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and they'll see how well you wrote the code which is a good thing especially
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code which is a good thing especially
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code which is a good thing especially you know i've been interviewing software
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you know i've been interviewing software
15:53
you know i've been interviewing software developers for 26 years also
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developers for 26 years also
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developers for 26 years also and and this is important for me to see
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and and this is important for me to see
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and and this is important for me to see uh
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uh
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uh during a job interview um i have another
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during a job interview um i have another
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during a job interview um i have another story that's on a video about a guy who
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story that's on a video about a guy who
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story that's on a video about a guy who did have an open source he was more of a
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did have an open source he was more of a
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did have an open source he was more of a beginner and he had some javascript code
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beginner and he had some javascript code
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beginner and he had some javascript code um out there and and he you know told
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um out there and and he you know told
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um out there and and he you know told his uh
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his uh
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his uh prospective employer about his
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prospective employer about his
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prospective employer about his repository and during the interview
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repository and during the interview
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repository and during the interview you know the the he he mentioned that he
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you know the the he he mentioned that he
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you know the the he he mentioned that he has a repository and the employer
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has a repository and the employer
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has a repository and the employer brought up a piece of paper going do you
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brought up a piece of paper going do you
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brought up a piece of paper going do you mean this one
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mean this one
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mean this one and uh you know the uh he said yes and
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and uh you know the uh he said yes and
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and uh you know the uh he said yes and and uh the the the manager said well you
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and uh the the the manager said well you
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and uh the the the manager said well you know
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know
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know this this uh javascript javascript
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this this uh javascript javascript
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this this uh javascript javascript uh coding needs a lot of work and and
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uh coding needs a lot of work and and
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uh coding needs a lot of work and and and he
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and he
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and he emitted and admitted that it did need
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emitted and admitted that it did need
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emitted and admitted that it did need work
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work
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work and which is a good thing to do in a job
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and which is a good thing to do in a job
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and which is a good thing to do in a job interview
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interview
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interview and then you know the manager spent two
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and then you know the manager spent two
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and then you know the manager spent two hours
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hours
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hours showing him what was wrong with it and
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showing him what was wrong with it and
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showing him what was wrong with it and then the manager hired him
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then the manager hired him
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then the manager hired him that's that's a really interesting story
16:59
that's that's a really interesting story
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that's that's a really interesting story if you ask me
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if you ask me
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if you ask me so it's a really really great way to get
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so it's a really really great way to get
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so it's a really really great way to get a job in and my open source repository
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a job in and my open source repository
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a job in and my open source repository is on my um resume so people can go look
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is on my um resume so people can go look
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is on my um resume so people can go look at it
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at it
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at it and i'll talk a little bit more about
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and i'll talk a little bit more about
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and i'll talk a little bit more about documentation things like that which is
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documentation things like that which is
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documentation things like that which is very very important especially if you're
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very very important especially if you're
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very very important especially if you're using this to get a job
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using this to get a job
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using this to get a job um it's a great way for publishing code
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um it's a great way for publishing code
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um it's a great way for publishing code for sessions
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for sessions
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for sessions uh conference sessions and books or
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uh conference sessions and books or
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uh conference sessions and books or whatever you want to do
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whatever you want to do
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whatever you want to do you can even you know with github you
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you can even you know with github you
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you can even you know with github you can even publish just one
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can even publish just one
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can even publish just one code file you don't have to have a whole
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code file you don't have to have a whole
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code file you don't have to have a whole repository using github
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repository using github
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repository using github i do that for some of my articles so
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i do that for some of my articles so
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i do that for some of my articles so it's a great way
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it's a great way
17:37
it's a great way of of putting that out there for people
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of of putting that out there for people
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of of putting that out there for people who buy books and things like that so if
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who buy books and things like that so if
17:41
who buy books and things like that so if you buy one of my books
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you buy one of my books
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you buy one of my books you can get access to my private
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you can get access to my private
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you can get access to my private repository
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repository
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repository just by asking so
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and another thing i thought about was
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and another thing i thought about was
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and another thing i thought about was you know um
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you know um
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you know um you know having an open source project
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you know having an open source project
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you know having an open source project and and dealing with
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and and dealing with
17:59
and and dealing with issues or or suggestions and things like
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issues or or suggestions and things like
18:02
issues or or suggestions and things like that
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that
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that you know gives you more experience on
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you know gives you more experience on
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you know gives you more experience on developing uh dealing with users i guess
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developing uh dealing with users i guess
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developing uh dealing with users i guess or just other developers you know um you
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or just other developers you know um you
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or just other developers you know um you know dealing with people
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know dealing with people
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know dealing with people that are using your software or your
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that are using your software or your
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that are using your software or your open source code is a really important
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open source code is a really important
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open source code is a really important skill
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skill
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skill to have and i was lucky enough because i
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to have and i was lucky enough because i
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to have and i was lucky enough because i did
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did
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did sell shareware back in the 90s that i
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sell shareware back in the 90s that i
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sell shareware back in the 90s that i dealt with this
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dealt with this
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dealt with this a lot back then because i did everything
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a lot back then because i did everything
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a lot back then because i did everything you know i
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you know i
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you know i architected the app i coded the app i
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architected the app i coded the app i
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architected the app i coded the app i put it out for free
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put it out for free
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put it out for free i took orders i shipped orders and i had
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i took orders i shipped orders and i had
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i took orders i shipped orders and i had to deal with users
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to deal with users
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to deal with users so i i learned a lot just by that
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so i i learned a lot just by that
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so i i learned a lot just by that process
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process
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process and i can't tell you how much how
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and i can't tell you how much how
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and i can't tell you how much how important that was to my
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important that was to my
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important that was to my uh growth as a developer so um
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uh growth as a developer so um
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uh growth as a developer so um it's a really great skill to have and uh
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it's a really great skill to have and uh
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it's a really great skill to have and uh if if you want to you know travel the
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if if you want to you know travel the
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if if you want to you know travel the world and speak at conferences i guess
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world and speak at conferences i guess
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world and speak at conferences i guess so um there's lots of great things of uh
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so um there's lots of great things of uh
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so um there's lots of great things of uh you know about doing open source
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so next i'd like to show you um
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next i'd like to show you about uh my
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next i'd like to show you about uh my
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next i'd like to show you about uh my github repository
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github repository
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github repository um i have a i have a bunch of them out
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um i have a i have a bunch of them out
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um i have a i have a bunch of them out there but i'm only going to show you my
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there but i'm only going to show you my
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there but i'm only going to show you my dot net core one
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dot net core one
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dot net core one uh because this it's my current um
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uh because this it's my current um
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uh because this it's my current um repository that i'm working on i do
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repository that i'm working on i do
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repository that i'm working on i do have this same repository more or less
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have this same repository more or less
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have this same repository more or less in the dotnet framework and i've
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in the dotnet framework and i've
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in the dotnet framework and i've archived that code meaning i'm not
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archived that code meaning i'm not
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archived that code meaning i'm not doing any more work on it so if you're
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doing any more work on it so if you're
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doing any more work on it so if you're using dotnet framework you can use that
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using dotnet framework you can use that
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using dotnet framework you can use that or you can use the.net core one too
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or you can use the.net core one too
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or you can use the.net core one too depending on the person i've done the
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depending on the person i've done the
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depending on the person i've done the framework
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framework
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framework you have so um but i've kind of
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you have so um but i've kind of
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you have so um but i've kind of you know uh archived that code base i'm
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you know uh archived that code base i'm
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you know uh archived that code base i'm not going to work it on it anymore
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not going to work it on it anymore
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not going to work it on it anymore and you know probably when done at 5
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and you know probably when done at 5
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and you know probably when done at 5 comes out
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comes out
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comes out i'm going to archive this one except for
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i'm going to archive this one except for
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i'm going to archive this one except for bug fixes and just work on the done at
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bug fixes and just work on the done at
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bug fixes and just work on the done at 5.1
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5.1
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5.1 because that's where everything is going
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because that's where everything is going
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because that's where everything is going um in the dot net world
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um in the dot net world
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um in the dot net world and um you know based on my preliminary
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and um you know based on my preliminary
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and um you know based on my preliminary uh uh performance a test i've been doing
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uh uh performance a test i've been doing
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uh uh performance a test i've been doing against donet5
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against donet5
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against donet5 um so far i'm very impressed with the
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um so far i'm very impressed with the
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um so far i'm very impressed with the dotnet 5 performance because
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dotnet 5 performance because
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dotnet 5 performance because you all should know that there's a
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you all should know that there's a
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you all should know that there's a really big deal to me
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really big deal to me
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really big deal to me and um and so far most
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and um and so far most
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and um and so far most everything you'd done at five is faster
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everything you'd done at five is faster
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everything you'd done at five is faster than done at uh core 3.1
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than done at uh core 3.1
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than done at uh core 3.1 and and some of it is not a little bit
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and and some of it is not a little bit
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and and some of it is not a little bit faster it's a lot faster
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faster it's a lot faster
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faster it's a lot faster and i have tweets coming out every day
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and i have tweets coming out every day
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and i have tweets coming out every day for the next week at 9 10 a.m
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for the next week at 9 10 a.m
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for the next week at 9 10 a.m my time i'm telling you exactly
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my time i'm telling you exactly
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my time i'm telling you exactly um some of the things i've found that
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um some of the things i've found that
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um some of the things i've found that are a lot faster
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are a lot faster
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are a lot faster and so as as you know especially
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and so as as you know especially
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and so as as you know especially dealing with um the cloud you know you
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dealing with um the cloud you know you
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dealing with um the cloud you know you need to squeeze every
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need to squeeze every
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need to squeeze every you know ounce of performance you can
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you know ounce of performance you can
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you know ounce of performance you can out of your code so
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out of your code so
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out of your code so um that's why you know i'm pretty much
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um that's why you know i'm pretty much
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um that's why you know i'm pretty much going to move the done f5 and
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going to move the done f5 and
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going to move the done f5 and um and only do bug fixes on this one
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um and only do bug fixes on this one
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um and only do bug fixes on this one once done f5 comes out but anyway
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once done f5 comes out but anyway
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once done f5 comes out but anyway um this is my main repository it's uh
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um this is my main repository it's uh
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um this is my main repository it's uh it's under
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it's under
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it's under real.net dave and it's called
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real.net dave and it's called
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real.net dave and it's called uh.tips.utility.com
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uh.tips.utility.com
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uh.tips.utility.com and um and uh this is the main
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and um and uh this is the main
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and um and uh this is the main well the top of the main page you can
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well the top of the main page you can
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well the top of the main page you can see there um if you go into source
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see there um if you go into source
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see there um if you go into source and i'll show you the project a little
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and i'll show you the project a little
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and i'll show you the project a little bit if you go into sorts you can see all
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bit if you go into sorts you can see all
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bit if you go into sorts you can see all the projects in there and everything
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the projects in there and everything
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the projects in there and everything but i i do want to point out a couple
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but i i do want to point out a couple
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but i i do want to point out a couple things
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things
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things um that github has recently added that
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um that github has recently added that
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um that github has recently added that i'm really interested in and the first
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i'm really interested in and the first
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i'm really interested in and the first excuse me the first one i've already
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excuse me the first one i've already
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excuse me the first one i've already done and that is releases
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done and that is releases
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done and that is releases so um you know github um
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so um you know github um
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so um you know github um i'm not terribly aware how github really
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i'm not terribly aware how github really
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i'm not terribly aware how github really did this but back in older
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did this but back in older
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did this but back in older uh source code
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uh source code
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uh source code software you know it was pretty easy
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software you know it was pretty easy
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software you know it was pretty easy for us to say okay all this code right
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for us to say okay all this code right
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for us to say okay all this code right now
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now
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now is part of a release but now
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is part of a release but now
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is part of a release but now in github you can actually do that and
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in github you can actually do that and
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in github you can actually do that and it's pretty cool so when i released
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it's pretty cool so when i released
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it's pretty cool so when i released you know a new version of this on sunday
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you know a new version of this on sunday
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you know a new version of this on sunday because i released a new version of the
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because i released a new version of the
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because i released a new version of the code and the new get packages at the
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code and the new get packages at the
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code and the new get packages at the same time
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same time
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same time and so when i released a new version of
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and so when i released a new version of
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and so when i released a new version of this on sunday six days ago
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this on sunday six days ago
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this on sunday six days ago or something like that
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or something like that
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or something like that i can actually make a release so what
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i can actually make a release so what
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i can actually make a release so what the release does
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the release does
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the release does in github is it basically takes all the
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in github is it basically takes all the
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in github is it basically takes all the code at that point
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code at that point
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code at that point and zips it up and that's the release so
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and zips it up and that's the release so
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and zips it up and that's the release so now if someone wants to go back to a
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now if someone wants to go back to a
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now if someone wants to go back to a specific release
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specific release
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specific release of my um open source project they can do
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of my um open source project they can do
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of my um open source project they can do that
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that
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that and so i really like this feature uh
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and so i really like this feature uh
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and so i really like this feature uh because it's uh
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because it's uh
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because it's uh you know we used to use tagging in other
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you know we used to use tagging in other
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you know we used to use tagging in other software before to do this but this is
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software before to do this but this is
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software before to do this but this is really neat because it just zips it up
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really neat because it just zips it up
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really neat because it just zips it up and that's it that's the release
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and that's it that's the release
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and that's it that's the release i think you can delete them but but
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i think you can delete them but but
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i think you can delete them but but if you see a release on my open source
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if you see a release on my open source
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if you see a release on my open source that means
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that means
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that means that's a release for the new get package
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that's a release for the new get package
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that's a release for the new get package i mean i might update the code between
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i mean i might update the code between
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i mean i might update the code between nougat package releases but it it won't
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nougat package releases but it it won't
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nougat package releases but it it won't be this kind of release
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be this kind of release
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be this kind of release the other thing which i haven't done yet
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the other thing which i haven't done yet
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the other thing which i haven't done yet which i will for the next release in
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which i will for the next release in
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which i will for the next release in november
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november
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november is um you know that you can now
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is um you know that you can now
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is um you know that you can now create packages right from github so
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create packages right from github so
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create packages right from github so i don't know exactly how this works um
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i don't know exactly how this works um
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i don't know exactly how this works um but
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but
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but i'm going to explore it for the next
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i'm going to explore it for the next
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i'm going to explore it for the next release at the beginning of november so
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release at the beginning of november so
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release at the beginning of november so um look out for that so um that way i
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um look out for that so um that way i
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um look out for that so um that way i don't have to
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don't have to
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don't have to do the whole github thing it'll
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do the whole github thing it'll
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do the whole github thing it'll automatically put it up there for me
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automatically put it up there for me
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automatically put it up there for me hopefully and um i'm done um you know
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hopefully and um i'm done um you know
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hopefully and um i'm done um you know as easy as this can github can make it
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as easy as this can github can make it
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as easy as this can github can make it is really
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is really
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is really um i like so um this is the main page of
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um i like so um this is the main page of
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um i like so um this is the main page of the open source
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the open source
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the open source repository um i'll show you the project
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repository um i'll show you the project
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repository um i'll show you the project i'm sorry
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i'm sorry
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i'm sorry there's the project there's nothing you
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there's the project there's nothing you
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there's the project there's nothing you know it's it's not super
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know it's it's not super
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know it's it's not super um uh hard to understand but
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um uh hard to understand but
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um uh hard to understand but you know you can see here i have uh
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you know you can see here i have uh
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you know you can see here i have uh uh under solution items i just have my
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uh under solution items i just have my
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uh under solution items i just have my editor to config and then i have a
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editor to config and then i have a
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editor to config and then i have a separate folder for unit tests
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separate folder for unit tests
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separate folder for unit tests so everything is unit tested and then
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so everything is unit tested and then
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so everything is unit tested and then here's our
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here's our
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here's our here is what's currently in my
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here is what's currently in my
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here is what's currently in my repository um the asp.net one is not
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repository um the asp.net one is not
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repository um the asp.net one is not released
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released
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released officially yet i'm still working on that
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officially yet i'm still working on that
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officially yet i'm still working on that and i have another one
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and i have another one
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and i have another one for uh any framework and i have another
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for uh any framework and i have another
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for uh any framework and i have another one for azure
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one for azure
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one for azure that's current currently in the works
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that's current currently in the works
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that's current currently in the works too so i'm working on those
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too so i'm working on those
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too so i'm working on those and and i broke it down i added a new
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and and i broke it down i added a new
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and and i broke it down i added a new one for this release called common which
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one for this release called common which
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one for this release called common which just has
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just has
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just has common things in it like um exception
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common things in it like um exception
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common things in it like um exception types and
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types and
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types and control characters things like that uh
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control characters things like that uh
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control characters things like that uh the one i use personally the most is
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the one i use personally the most is
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the one i use personally the most is extensions i've written
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extensions i've written
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extensions i've written just a ton ton of extensions
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just a ton ton of extensions
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just a ton ton of extensions for all kinds of different types a new
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for all kinds of different types a new
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for all kinds of different types a new one in the next release
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one in the next release
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one in the next release is a lincoln link extensions which i
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is a lincoln link extensions which i
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is a lincoln link extensions which i just
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just
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just added like a day or two ago and so
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added like a day or two ago and so
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added like a day or two ago and so this is what i use the most i also have
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this is what i use the most i also have
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this is what i use the most i also have um
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um
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um the standard uh which is all all kinds
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the standard uh which is all all kinds
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the standard uh which is all all kinds of things like caching
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of things like caching
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of things like caching and and collections that.net doesn't
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and and collections that.net doesn't
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and and collections that.net doesn't have and
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have and
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have and um diagnostics io um all kinds of things
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um diagnostics io um all kinds of things
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um diagnostics io um all kinds of things is in this one so that's a at a higher
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is in this one so that's a at a higher
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is in this one so that's a at a higher level
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level
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level um but those are the main ones i i'm
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um but those are the main ones i i'm
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um but those are the main ones i i'm working on right now
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working on right now
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working on right now and i work on this pretty much every
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and i work on this pretty much every
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and i work on this pretty much every week um when i have a little bit of
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week um when i have a little bit of
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week um when i have a little bit of downtime or a few minutes to spare
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downtime or a few minutes to spare
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downtime or a few minutes to spare between a
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between a
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between a meeting or something like that because
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meeting or something like that because
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meeting or something like that because you know the work
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you know the work
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you know the work you know in this project is never seems
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you know in this project is never seems
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you know in this project is never seems to be done and um
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to be done and um
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to be done and um i'm also i also don't have enough unit
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i'm also i also don't have enough unit
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i'm also i also don't have enough unit tests uh
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tests uh
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tests uh just because i've been focused on the
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just because i've been focused on the
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just because i've been focused on the code um
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code um
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code um and you know creating unit tests in dot
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and you know creating unit tests in dot
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and you know creating unit tests in dot net core
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net core
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net core is not near as easy as it isn't done at
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is not near as easy as it isn't done at
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is not near as easy as it isn't done at framework so i've admittedly been kind
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framework so i've admittedly been kind
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framework so i've admittedly been kind of lazy
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of lazy
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of lazy you know it takes me like four times the
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you know it takes me like four times the
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you know it takes me like four times the amount of time to write a unit test and
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amount of time to write a unit test and
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amount of time to write a unit test and done at court then it doesn't done that
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done at court then it doesn't done that
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done at court then it doesn't done that framework
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framework
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framework i'm actually working with the visual
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i'm actually working with the visual
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i'm actually working with the visual studio team right now
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studio team right now
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studio team right now to try to get that into donecore um or
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to try to get that into donecore um or
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to try to get that into donecore um or done at five
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done at five
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done at five but so far um it is it's they're they're
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but so far um it is it's they're they're
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but so far um it is it's they're they're thinking about it but
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thinking about it but
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thinking about it but they're not working on it yet but
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they're not working on it yet but
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they're not working on it yet but hopefully they'll do that
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hopefully they'll do that
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hopefully they'll do that so anyway so i'm still behind on unit
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so anyway so i'm still behind on unit
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so anyway so i'm still behind on unit tests so if anybody wants to help me
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tests so if anybody wants to help me
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tests so if anybody wants to help me write the unit test please please do i'm
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write the unit test please please do i'm
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write the unit test please please do i'm more than willing to have people
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more than willing to have people
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more than willing to have people help me on this project and no one has
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help me on this project and no one has
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help me on this project and no one has submitted issues on this project so
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submitted issues on this project so
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submitted issues on this project so either it's really good
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either it's really good
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either it's really good or nobody understands it i don't know
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or nobody understands it i don't know
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or nobody understands it i don't know what what the deal is but i haven't had
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what what the deal is but i haven't had
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what what the deal is but i haven't had one issue
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one issue
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one issue um filed for this repository and i've
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um filed for this repository and i've
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um filed for this repository and i've also had no um
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also had no um
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also had no um um a pull request well
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um a pull request well
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um a pull request well i had one but i already fixed the
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i had one but i already fixed the
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i had one but i already fixed the problem in between releases so i i
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problem in between releases so i i
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problem in between releases so i i didn't accept a pull request i've only
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didn't accept a pull request i've only
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didn't accept a pull request i've only had one pull request and no issues
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had one pull request and no issues
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had one pull request and no issues so please i need your feedback um
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so please i need your feedback um
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so please i need your feedback um so that's it um and
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so that's it um and
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so that's it um and you know kind of like about what i said
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you know kind of like about what i said
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you know kind of like about what i said in the beginning is
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in the beginning is
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in the beginning is yes stephen yeah yeah i mean you can
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yes stephen yeah yeah i mean you can
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yes stephen yeah yeah i mean you can continue
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continue
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continue i'm just i'm just back oh okay so
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i'm just i'm just back oh okay so
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i'm just i'm just back oh okay so um now you made me lose track what i was
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um now you made me lose track what i was
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um now you made me lose track what i was gonna say
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gonna say
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gonna say i'm sorry it's okay
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i'm sorry it's okay
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i'm sorry it's okay it's seven in the morning you know um
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it's seven in the morning you know um
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it's seven in the morning you know um yeah
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yeah
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yeah so um like i said in the beginning when
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so um like i said in the beginning when
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so um like i said in the beginning when stephen introduced me was uh you know um
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stephen introduced me was uh you know um
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stephen introduced me was uh you know um this repository you know is is nothing
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this repository you know is is nothing
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this repository you know is is nothing miraculous you know it's not you know uh
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miraculous you know it's not you know uh
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miraculous you know it's not you know uh newtonsoft's jason converter you know
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newtonsoft's jason converter you know
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newtonsoft's jason converter you know it's not a
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it's not a
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it's not a you know one of these pack big packages
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you know one of these pack big packages
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you know one of these pack big packages that does something difficult
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that does something difficult
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that does something difficult um that a lot of the other um open
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um that a lot of the other um open
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um that a lot of the other um open source and packages do
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source and packages do
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source and packages do this is just helper methods everything
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this is just helper methods everything
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this is just helper methods everything in here pretty much except for the
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in here pretty much except for the
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in here pretty much except for the collection types that donna doesn't have
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collection types that donna doesn't have
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collection types that donna doesn't have um are just helper methods and it's a
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um are just helper methods and it's a
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um are just helper methods and it's a way you know whenever i see things done
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way you know whenever i see things done
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way you know whenever i see things done a couple times in code i go okay wait we
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a couple times in code i go okay wait we
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a couple times in code i go okay wait we need to put this in a reusable assembly
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need to put this in a reusable assembly
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need to put this in a reusable assembly and use it somewhere else and that's
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and use it somewhere else and that's
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and use it somewhere else and that's exactly what this entire repository is
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exactly what this entire repository is
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exactly what this entire repository is it's just a collection of that
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it's just a collection of that
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it's just a collection of that stuff now some of this you know
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stuff now some of this you know
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stuff now some of this you know based on my work with performance and
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based on my work with performance and
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based on my work with performance and things like that you know there are some
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things like that you know there are some
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things like that you know there are some things i've figured out how to do that's
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things i've figured out how to do that's
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things i've figured out how to do that's actually
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actually
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actually faster than the.net framework does it um
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faster than the.net framework does it um
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faster than the.net framework does it um out of the box
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out of the box
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out of the box so there there are some any if you see
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so there there are some any if you see
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so there there are some any if you see any method that starts with fast
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any method that starts with fast
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any method that starts with fast that's exactly what those are um i've
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that's exactly what those are um i've
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that's exactly what those are um i've actually figured out a way to do
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actually figured out a way to do
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actually figured out a way to do something faster
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something faster
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something faster than something in the in the dyna core
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than something in the in the dyna core
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than something in the in the dyna core so
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so
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so but generally everything in here is just
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but generally everything in here is just
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but generally everything in here is just helper methods you know it's
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helper methods you know it's
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helper methods you know it's like um for example on the current
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like um for example on the current
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like um for example on the current project we just released
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project we just released
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project we just released for a fortune 25 company here in america
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for a fortune 25 company here in america
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for a fortune 25 company here in america you know we were recently
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you know we were recently
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you know we were recently dealing with dates and and i saw and
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dealing with dates and and i saw and
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dealing with dates and and i saw and dealing with dates i have an article
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dealing with dates i have an article
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dealing with dates i have an article coming out on c-sharp corner tomorrow
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coming out on c-sharp corner tomorrow
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coming out on c-sharp corner tomorrow about this
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about this
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about this you know dealing with dates and it has
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you know dealing with dates and it has
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you know dealing with dates and it has never been easy to do and so
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never been easy to do and so
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never been easy to do and so when i saw um you know one of the junior
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when i saw um you know one of the junior
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when i saw um you know one of the junior people
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people
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people on my team struggling with how
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on my team struggling with how
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on my team struggling with how how to figure out how to
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how to figure out how to
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how to figure out how to [Music]
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[Music] you know look at dates you know look at
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you know look at dates you know look at
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you know look at dates you know look at different dates and things like that
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different dates and things like that
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different dates and things like that i saw her struggling with this like okay
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i saw her struggling with this like okay
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i saw her struggling with this like okay i'm gonna i'm gonna make this easy and
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i'm gonna i'm gonna make this easy and
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i'm gonna i'm gonna make this easy and put in my open source project and that's
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put in my open source project and that's
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put in my open source project and that's exactly what i did and
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exactly what i did and
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exactly what i did and and that project at this fortune 25
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and that project at this fortune 25
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and that project at this fortune 25 company
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company
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company uses my open source repositories so um
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uses my open source repositories so um
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uses my open source repositories so um this code is in production right now in
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this code is in production right now in
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this code is in production right now in many companies
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many companies
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many companies um so at least all the companies i've
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um so at least all the companies i've
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um so at least all the companies i've worked at
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worked at
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worked at um so anyway so that's um
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um so anyway so that's um
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um so anyway so that's um a little bit more about um
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my repository if anybody has any
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my repository if anybody has any
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my repository if anybody has any questions about it please uh
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questions about it please uh
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questions about it please uh uh make a uh make a comment about that
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uh make a uh make a comment about that
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uh make a uh make a comment about that sorry i thought i was in powerpoint um
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so something new that just came out
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so something new that just came out
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so something new that just came out uh pretty recently from uh nougat and i
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uh pretty recently from uh nougat and i
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uh pretty recently from uh nougat and i was just
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was just
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was just accepted for this program is a non-nuget
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accepted for this program is a non-nuget
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accepted for this program is a non-nuget github
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github
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github is you can actually make money on github
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is you can actually make money on github
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is you can actually make money on github now too
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now too
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now too so you know you know one of the you know
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things about open source is you usually
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things about open source is you usually
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things about open source is you usually don't get paid
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don't get paid
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don't get paid you know um like in the shareware days
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you know um like in the shareware days
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you know um like in the shareware days you know we got paid for that yeah but
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you know we got paid for that yeah but
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you know we got paid for that yeah but open source we really don't get paid and
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open source we really don't get paid and
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open source we really don't get paid and that's not the reason i do open source
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that's not the reason i do open source
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that's not the reason i do open source but now you know on github you can get
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but now you know on github you can get
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but now you know on github you can get paid you can sign up to be
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paid you can sign up to be
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paid you can sign up to be to have a sponsorship program on your
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to have a sponsorship program on your
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to have a sponsorship program on your repository or repositories
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repository or repositories
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repository or repositories and then you can set up tiers which are
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and then you can set up tiers which are
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and then you can set up tiers which are just monthly
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just monthly
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just monthly um charges that will be made to
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um charges that will be made to
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um charges that will be made to somebody's credit card
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somebody's credit card
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somebody's credit card um so you can make some money and i
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um so you can make some money and i
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um so you can make some money and i knows you know i've seen tweets from
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knows you know i've seen tweets from
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knows you know i've seen tweets from some of the developers
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some of the developers
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some of the developers that i followed that are making money
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that i followed that are making money
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that i followed that are making money doing this i don't know how much they
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doing this i don't know how much they
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doing this i don't know how much they are
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are
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are making but they are making money doing
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making but they are making money doing
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making but they are making money doing this so
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this so
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this so i said well i should try it so
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i said well i should try it so
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i said well i should try it so um last week i set up three tiers a two
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um last week i set up three tiers a two
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um last week i set up three tiers a two dollar month
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dollar month
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dollar month uh tier which is kind of set up for my
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uh tier which is kind of set up for my
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uh tier which is kind of set up for my followers in india because
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followers in india because
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followers in india because you know i know you know people there
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you know i know you know people there
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you know i know you know people there make
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make
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make less money a lot less money than they do
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less money a lot less money than they do
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less money a lot less money than they do in america um and then i
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in america um and then i
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in america um and then i um set up two other ones um where you
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um set up two other ones um where you
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um set up two other ones um where you get
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get
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get early access to uh the packages or
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early access to uh the packages or
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early access to uh the packages or articles and things like that so
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articles and things like that so
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articles and things like that so um if you want to sponsor it it'd be
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um if you want to sponsor it it'd be
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um if you want to sponsor it it'd be great
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great
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great uh if not then i understand but you know
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uh if not then i understand but you know
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uh if not then i understand but you know this is a way
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this is a way
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this is a way you know for people to kind of signal
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you know for people to kind of signal
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you know for people to kind of signal that
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that
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that you know yeah we like this repository
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you know yeah we like this repository
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you know yeah we like this repository keep doing it you know that's what it
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keep doing it you know that's what it
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keep doing it you know that's what it seems to me
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seems to me
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seems to me um so because you know the downloads
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um so because you know the downloads
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um so because you know the downloads um tell and or the pool reques i mean
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um tell and or the pool reques i mean
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um tell and or the pool reques i mean the
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the
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the uh the forks can tell you some things
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uh the forks can tell you some things
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uh the forks can tell you some things but doesn't really tell you who's
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but doesn't really tell you who's
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but doesn't really tell you who's actually using the
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actually using the
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actually using the uh that's the code so this is a good way
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uh that's the code so this is a good way
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uh that's the code so this is a good way of doing that
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of doing that
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of doing that if you ask me so try it out you know
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if you ask me so try it out you know
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if you ask me so try it out you know maybe you'll make some money
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maybe you'll make some money
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maybe you'll make some money um yeah so i went over the tears already
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oh don't tell me steven this is doing it
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oh don't tell me steven this is doing it
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oh don't tell me steven this is doing it again
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again
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again i told you you should david you should
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i told you you should david you should
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i told you you should david you should start moving to
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start moving to
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start moving to google slides or anything like that
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google slides or anything like that
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google slides or anything like that there's no videos in this
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there's no videos in this
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there's no videos in this oh there it goes
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powerpoint you suck
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powerpoint you suck
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powerpoint you suck i'm gonna edit it no leave it in there i
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i'm gonna edit it no leave it in there i
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i'm gonna edit it no leave it in there i want them to hear it
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want them to hear it
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want them to hear it i have it right here i have an azure
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i have it right here i have an azure
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i have it right here i have an azure recording david there's some things that
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recording david there's some things that
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recording david there's some things that we really need to edit
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we really need to edit
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we really need to edit oh okay sorry i'll i'll keep my curse
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oh okay sorry i'll i'll keep my curse
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oh okay sorry i'll i'll keep my curse words down then for you
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words down then for you
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words down then for you okay i'm just kidding so um i do want to
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okay i'm just kidding so um i do want to
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okay i'm just kidding so um i do want to take a minute to
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take a minute to
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take a minute to address maybe the darker side of the
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address maybe the darker side of the
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address maybe the darker side of the open source and i don't want to spend a
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open source and i don't want to spend a
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open source and i don't want to spend a lot of time on this but
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lot of time on this but
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lot of time on this but you know i all i want to say about this
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you know i all i want to say about this
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you know i all i want to say about this is um
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come on powerpoint uh please remember to
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come on powerpoint uh please remember to
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come on powerpoint uh please remember to be kind to others in the community and
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be kind to others in the community and
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be kind to others in the community and that's
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that's
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that's you know either people using your
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you know either people using your
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you know either people using your repository or you
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repository or you
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repository or you um making issues or suggestions in
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um making issues or suggestions in
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um making issues or suggestions in repositories
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repositories
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repositories please be nice you know people are doing
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please be nice you know people are doing
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please be nice you know people are doing this you know
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this you know
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this you know mostly out of the kindness of their
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mostly out of the kindness of their
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mostly out of the kindness of their heart there's no reason to attack people
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heart there's no reason to attack people
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heart there's no reason to attack people um so please just be kind and
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um so please just be kind and
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um so please just be kind and you know i
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you know that that might be easier for
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you know that that might be easier for
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you know that that might be easier for developers in other countries but you
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developers in other countries but you
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developers in other countries but you know i've heard
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know i've heard
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know i've heard um not great things about developers
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um not great things about developers
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um not great things about developers here so
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here so
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here so um just be nice to everybody you know
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um just be nice to everybody you know
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um just be nice to everybody you know we're all in this together
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we're all in this together
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we're all in this together and um you know and we'll get through it
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and um you know and we'll get through it
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and um you know and we'll get through it together
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together
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together better together right so
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better together right so
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better together right so um and provide helpful feedback
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um and provide helpful feedback
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um and provide helpful feedback don't just criticize don't just don't
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don't just criticize don't just don't
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don't just criticize don't just don't say your repository is awful
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say your repository is awful
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say your repository is awful um give helpful feedback you know i'm
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um give helpful feedback you know i'm
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um give helpful feedback you know i'm always willing to make things better uh
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always willing to make things better uh
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always willing to make things better uh but i need the feedback
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but i need the feedback
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but i need the feedback and you know helpful criticism
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and you know helpful criticism
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and you know helpful criticism or helpful support is the way to do it
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or helpful support is the way to do it
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or helpful support is the way to do it not
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not
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not you know just blatantly criticizing
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you know just blatantly criticizing
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you know just blatantly criticizing somebody
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somebody
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somebody because just just remember they took a
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because just just remember they took a
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because just just remember they took a lot of time to to do what they did and
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lot of time to to do what they did and
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lot of time to to do what they did and and if it's not right then then help
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and if it's not right then then help
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and if it's not right then then help them
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them
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them you know i i got a tweet this morning
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you know i i got a tweet this morning
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you know i i got a tweet this morning from techsmith
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from techsmith
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from techsmith because i was complaining about fiddler
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because i was complaining about fiddler
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because i was complaining about fiddler and they said uh they're gonna go back
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and they said uh they're gonna go back
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and they said uh they're gonna go back to the drawing board and then i replied
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to the drawing board and then i replied
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to the drawing board and then i replied this morning
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this morning
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this morning well let me know if you need help you
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well let me know if you need help you
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well let me know if you need help you know because i want to make fiddler
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know because i want to make fiddler
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know because i want to make fiddler easier to use so just
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easier to use so just
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easier to use so just techsmith ask me for help i'm here
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techsmith ask me for help i'm here
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techsmith ask me for help i'm here um so anyway
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um so anyway
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um so anyway that's all i want to spend on that part
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that's all i want to spend on that part
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that's all i want to spend on that part um
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now um the the the other thing i want to
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now um the the the other thing i want to
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now um the the the other thing i want to make sure i talk a little bit about and
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make sure i talk a little bit about and
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make sure i talk a little bit about and really stress
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really stress
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really stress is uh and i know a lot of repositories
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is uh and i know a lot of repositories
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is uh and i know a lot of repositories do this
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do this
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do this uh some not as well as others but please
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uh some not as well as others but please
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uh some not as well as others but please please make sure
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please make sure
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please make sure before you publish anything make sure
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before you publish anything make sure
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before you publish anything make sure it's all unit tested
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it's all unit tested
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it's all unit tested and i'm not a hundred percent yet i'm
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and i'm not a hundred percent yet i'm
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and i'm not a hundred percent yet i'm working on that but
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working on that but
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working on that but please make sure um it's unit tested if
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please make sure um it's unit tested if
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please make sure um it's unit tested if you have an older repository
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you have an older repository
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you have an older repository you know make sure the new stuff is unit
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you know make sure the new stuff is unit
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you know make sure the new stuff is unit tested and that's my mantra now
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tested and that's my mantra now
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tested and that's my mantra now my mantra now is is now that i'm
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my mantra now is is now that i'm
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my mantra now is is now that i'm catching up on unit tests
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catching up on unit tests
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catching up on unit tests you know i don't put anything new in the
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you know i don't put anything new in the
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you know i don't put anything new in the code that isn't unit tested anymore
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code that isn't unit tested anymore
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code that isn't unit tested anymore um just so i don't get behind so i've
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um just so i don't get behind so i've
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um just so i don't get behind so i've imposed that rule for myself
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imposed that rule for myself
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imposed that rule for myself so please make sure everything's unit
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so please make sure everything's unit
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so please make sure everything's unit tested
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tested
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tested um thoroughly um hopefully if dotnet
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um thoroughly um hopefully if dotnet
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um thoroughly um hopefully if dotnet uh um visual studio makes an easier way
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uh um visual studio makes an easier way
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uh um visual studio makes an easier way for us to do this it'll be a lot easier
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for us to do this it'll be a lot easier
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for us to do this it'll be a lot easier but
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but
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but please make sure you do that and um the
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please make sure you do that and um the
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please make sure you do that and um the other thing that i do
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other thing that i do
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other thing that i do because i am concerned about performance
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because i am concerned about performance
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because i am concerned about performance and i am concerned about performance in
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and i am concerned about performance in
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and i am concerned about performance in my own
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my own
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my own repository is is every release
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repository is is every release
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repository is is every release i do benchmarking tests and um this is a
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i do benchmarking tests and um this is a
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i do benchmarking tests and um this is a list of the current benchmarking tests
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list of the current benchmarking tests
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list of the current benchmarking tests you can go there and look
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you can go there and look
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you can go there and look exactly how all these methods performed
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exactly how all these methods performed
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exactly how all these methods performed um
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um
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um and you can see there's a couple
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and you can see there's a couple
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and you can see there's a couple there that i'm still working on um i did
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there that i'm still working on um i did
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there that i'm still working on um i did do the json serializer today so that's
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do the json serializer today so that's
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do the json serializer today so that's not there yet
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not there yet
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not there yet but um plea
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but um plea
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but um plea i would suggest doing benchmarking and
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i would suggest doing benchmarking and
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i would suggest doing benchmarking and and for the
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and for the
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and for the for the sole reason that you can look at
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for the sole reason that you can look at
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for the sole reason that you can look at you know
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you know
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you know this version of your repository and this
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this version of your repository and this
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this version of your repository and this one to make sure that the new one's
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one to make sure that the new one's
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one to make sure that the new one's faster
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faster
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faster or at least not slower right um
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or at least not slower right um
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or at least not slower right um benchmarking is pretty pretty easy it
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benchmarking is pretty pretty easy it
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benchmarking is pretty pretty easy it does take time
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does take time
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does take time um if i if i benchmark my
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um if i if i benchmark my
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um if i if i benchmark my 3500 test that i've written for my
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3500 test that i've written for my
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3500 test that i've written for my performance book that actually takes two
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performance book that actually takes two
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performance book that actually takes two days for me to run so
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days for me to run so
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days for me to run so i can only run it like on the weekends
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i can only run it like on the weekends
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i can only run it like on the weekends um
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um
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um but generally the unit these benchmarks
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but generally the unit these benchmarks
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but generally the unit these benchmarks don't take that long because they're not
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don't take that long because they're not
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don't take that long because they're not as intensive as my performance ones
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as intensive as my performance ones
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as intensive as my performance ones um hey rod good morning
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um hey rod good morning
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um hey rod good morning rod's one of my teammates um
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rod's one of my teammates um
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rod's one of my teammates um anyway do benchmarking and publish them
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anyway do benchmarking and publish them
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anyway do benchmarking and publish them and uh
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and uh
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and uh and i do that not only for my repository
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and i do that not only for my repository
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and i do that not only for my repository but i also do that for
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but i also do that for
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but i also do that for my book also and like i said earlier
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my book also and like i said earlier
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my book also and like i said earlier most of the stuff i'm seeing it done at
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most of the stuff i'm seeing it done at
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most of the stuff i'm seeing it done at five is faster
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five is faster
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five is faster and um and the reason i know that is
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and um and the reason i know that is
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and um and the reason i know that is because i have my older
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because i have my older
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because i have my older uh unit uh benchmarking tests around so
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uh unit uh benchmarking tests around so
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uh unit uh benchmarking tests around so i use a program um that the microsoft
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i use a program um that the microsoft
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i use a program um that the microsoft framework
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framework
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framework our.net core team uses called
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our.net core team uses called
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our.net core team uses called benchmark.net
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benchmark.net
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benchmark.net it's a great uh it's a great
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it's a great uh it's a great
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it's a great uh it's a great benchmarking tool
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benchmarking tool
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benchmarking tool don't write benchmarking on your own
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don't write benchmarking on your own
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don't write benchmarking on your own there's just way too much
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there's just way too much
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there's just way too much involved i tried to do that in the
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involved i tried to do that in the
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involved i tried to do that in the beginning and benchmark.net is so much
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beginning and benchmark.net is so much
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beginning and benchmark.net is so much better
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better
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better than anything i wrote so um
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than anything i wrote so um
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than anything i wrote so um just use benchmark.net it's great um you
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just use benchmark.net it's great um you
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just use benchmark.net it's great um you know the guy who runs benchmark.net
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know the guy who runs benchmark.net
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know the guy who runs benchmark.net and is pretty uh you know responds
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and is pretty uh you know responds
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and is pretty uh you know responds pretty quickly to um issues or
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pretty quickly to um issues or
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pretty quickly to um issues or suggestions
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suggestions
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suggestions uh because i've made many because i've
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uh because i've made many because i've
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uh because i've made many because i've found issues and he's fixed them pretty
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found issues and he's fixed them pretty
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found issues and he's fixed them pretty quickly so
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quickly so
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quickly so um use benchmark.net i
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um use benchmark.net i
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um use benchmark.net i there might be other ones out there but
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there might be other ones out there but
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there might be other ones out there but you know this is what the net team uses
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you know this is what the net team uses
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you know this is what the net team uses so why not use that
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the other thing i do want to talk about
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the other thing i do want to talk about
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the other thing i do want to talk about because this is something i see
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because this is something i see
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because this is something i see lacking in most open source projects i
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lacking in most open source projects i
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lacking in most open source projects i see
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see
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see including the one from ones from
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including the one from ones from
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including the one from ones from microsoft
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microsoft
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microsoft it's documentation documentation
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it's documentation documentation
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it's documentation documentation come on let's face it you know most
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come on let's face it you know most
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come on let's face it you know most developers didn't get into being a
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developers didn't get into being a
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developers didn't get into being a developer so they could write
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developer so they could write
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developer so they could write documentation i certainly didn't
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documentation i certainly didn't
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documentation i certainly didn't i don't like writing documentation you
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i don't like writing documentation you
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i don't like writing documentation you know it's just
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know it's just
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know it's just we're not documenters we're coders right
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we're not documenters we're coders right
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we're not documenters we're coders right but
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but
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but on the other hand it's it's it's really
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on the other hand it's it's it's really
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on the other hand it's it's it's really important for you to do it so other
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important for you to do it so other
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important for you to do it so other people
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people
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people know how to use your stuff you know it's
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know how to use your stuff you know it's
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know how to use your stuff you know it's like i was a week or so ago i was going
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like i was a week or so ago i was going
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like i was a week or so ago i was going back and forth with somebody
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back and forth with somebody
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back and forth with somebody um at microsoft about um
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um at microsoft about um
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um at microsoft about um this uh this uh tool they came out with
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this uh this uh tool they came out with
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this uh this uh tool they came out with to take
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to take
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to take classes and basically turn them into the
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classes and basically turn them into the
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classes and basically turn them into the um the documentation that you see on
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um the documentation that you see on
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um the documentation that you see on the docs.microsoft.com and i've been
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the docs.microsoft.com and i've been
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the docs.microsoft.com and i've been going back and forth with him and he
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going back and forth with him and he
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going back and forth with him and he even admittedly
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even admittedly
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even admittedly said that yeah this is well documented
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said that yeah this is well documented
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said that yeah this is well documented and i'm going there then how is anybody
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and i'm going there then how is anybody
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and i'm going there then how is anybody using it
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using it
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using it and i had to ask him a bunch of
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and i had to ask him a bunch of
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and i had to ask him a bunch of questions said just how to use it so
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questions said just how to use it so
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questions said just how to use it so if people are asking you these questions
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if people are asking you these questions
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if people are asking you these questions document it and so
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document it and so
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document it and so i i should always
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i i should always
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i i should always i always try to try to be better
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i always try to try to be better
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i always try to try to be better documentation
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documentation
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documentation but i do as much as i can and so
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but i do as much as i can and so
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but i do as much as i can and so in in this release i came out with like
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in in this release i came out with like
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in in this release i came out with like a flow of how all the uh
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a flow of how all the uh
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a flow of how all the uh assemblies work together um and i put
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assemblies work together um and i put
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assemblies work together um and i put out some more descriptions
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out some more descriptions
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out some more descriptions and i write blog posts about my open
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and i write blog posts about my open
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and i write blog posts about my open source project often and and one is
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source project often and and one is
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source project often and and one is coming out tomorrow from uh c-sharp
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coming out tomorrow from uh c-sharp
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coming out tomorrow from uh c-sharp corner so
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corner so
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corner so um that's another way i document it just
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um that's another way i document it just
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um that's another way i document it just by writing
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by writing
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by writing blog posts about it so please document
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blog posts about it so please document
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blog posts about it so please document your projects
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your projects
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your projects but more importantly document the code
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but more importantly document the code
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but more importantly document the code and this is what i see most projects
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and this is what i see most projects
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and this is what i see most projects lacking
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lacking
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lacking including the ones from microsoft is the
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including the ones from microsoft is the
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including the ones from microsoft is the code isn't even documented
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code isn't even documented
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code isn't even documented um so my suggestion is to install style
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um so my suggestion is to install style
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um so my suggestion is to install style cop
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cop
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cop and file style cop rules because those
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and file style cop rules because those
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and file style cop rules because those are the original rules written by
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are the original rules written by
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are the original rules written by microsoft back in the beginning of dot
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microsoft back in the beginning of dot
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microsoft back in the beginning of dot net
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net
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net so i always follow the stock style cop
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so i always follow the stock style cop
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so i always follow the stock style cop rules
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rules
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rules some of the tools that i use follow the
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some of the tools that i use follow the
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some of the tools that i use follow the style cop rules
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style cop rules
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style cop rules and you should follow them too and style
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and you should follow them too and style
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and you should follow them too and style cop is mostly just about documentation
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cop is mostly just about documentation
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cop is mostly just about documentation and things like that so um it's you it's
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and things like that so um it's you it's
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and things like that so um it's you it's just an extension you
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just an extension you
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just an extension you uh install to visual studio and you can
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uh install to visual studio and you can
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uh install to visual studio and you can go
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go
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go and um and that's it so
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and um and that's it so
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and um and that's it so please document your project and
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please document your project and
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please document your project and document your code
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document your code
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document your code super super important and this is also
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super super important and this is also
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super super important and this is also really important
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really important
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really important more so that if you're looking for a job
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more so that if you're looking for a job
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more so that if you're looking for a job you want this well documented so an
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you want this well documented so an
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you want this well documented so an interviewer just
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interviewer just
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interviewer just can look at it can easily understand
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can look at it can easily understand
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can look at it can easily understand what's going on
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what's going on
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what's going on instead of digging through the code and
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instead of digging through the code and
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instead of digging through the code and things like that you know i was
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things like that you know i was
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things like that you know i was um i think last year i was talking to my
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um i think last year i was talking to my
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um i think last year i was talking to my one of my
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one of my
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one of my best friends about this and um he said
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best friends about this and um he said
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best friends about this and um he said well
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well
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well the code doesn't mean need to be
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the code doesn't mean need to be
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the code doesn't mean need to be documented just look at the code
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documented just look at the code
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documented just look at the code you know what i don't want to spend
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you know what i don't want to spend
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you know what i don't want to spend hours trying to figure out what a
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hours trying to figure out what a
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hours trying to figure out what a a single piece of code does when i could
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a single piece of code does when i could
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a single piece of code does when i could just read some documentation about it so
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just read some documentation about it so
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just read some documentation about it so um please document yourself i can't
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um please document yourself i can't
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um please document yourself i can't stress this enough especially if you're
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stress this enough especially if you're
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stress this enough especially if you're looking for a job
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some other suggestions i have is a
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some other suggestions i have is a
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some other suggestions i have is a release source
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release source
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release source i'm of course release often after
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i'm of course release often after
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i'm of course release often after testing and docs are completed of course
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testing and docs are completed of course
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testing and docs are completed of course so um i minimally release my open source
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so um i minimally release my open source
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so um i minimally release my open source and my new get packages
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and my new get packages
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and my new get packages every quarter so i just did that so the
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every quarter so i just did that so the
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every quarter so i just did that so the next one will be at the beginning of
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next one will be at the beginning of
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next one will be at the beginning of november
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november
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november but i also um
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but i also um
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but i also um you know release when if i find a major
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you know release when if i find a major
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you know release when if i find a major bug or something like that that i need
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bug or something like that that i need
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bug or something like that that i need to fix right away then i do a minor
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to fix right away then i do a minor
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to fix right away then i do a minor release
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release
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release but my major releases are always um
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but my major releases are always um
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but my major releases are always um every quarter
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and once you have a repository no one
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and once you have a repository no one
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and once you have a repository no one knows it's there
42:45
knows it's there
42:45
knows it's there unless you start promoting it so make
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unless you start promoting it so make
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unless you start promoting it so make sure you promote it on twitter
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sure you promote it on twitter
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sure you promote it on twitter blogs um c sharp corner not facebook
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blogs um c sharp corner not facebook
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blogs um c sharp corner not facebook um that's not the place you document
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um that's not the place you document
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um that's not the place you document i mean you promote yourself um in coding
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i mean you promote yourself um in coding
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i mean you promote yourself um in coding um there's other ways to do that so use
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um there's other ways to do that so use
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um there's other ways to do that so use these ways to get the word out about
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these ways to get the word out about
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these ways to get the word out about your repository and get people using it
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your repository and get people using it
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your repository and get people using it you know i think my new get packages are
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you know i think my new get packages are
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you know i think my new get packages are over ten thousand downloads now so
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over ten thousand downloads now so
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over ten thousand downloads now so somebody's using it besides me and write
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somebody's using it besides me and write
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somebody's using it besides me and write um posts about new version so that's
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um posts about new version so that's
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um posts about new version so that's what's coming out tomorrow from c
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what's coming out tomorrow from c
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what's coming out tomorrow from c sharp corner um is some brand new um
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sharp corner um is some brand new um
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sharp corner um is some brand new um extension methods i did for the date
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extension methods i did for the date
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extension methods i did for the date time
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time
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time and the daytime offset um types and net
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and the daytime offset um types and net
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and the daytime offset um types and net so look out for that tomorrow
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so look out for that tomorrow
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so look out for that tomorrow but i write i always try to write at
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but i write i always try to write at
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but i write i always try to write at least
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least
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least one article about my new release
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one article about my new release
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one article about my new release every time i come out with one and
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every time i come out with one and
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every time i come out with one and releasing a new kit
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releasing a new kit
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releasing a new kit um like i said before i only uh release
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um like i said before i only uh release
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um like i said before i only uh release a new git
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a new git
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a new git um if there's a big bug fix um and i do
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um if there's a big bug fix um and i do
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um if there's a big bug fix um and i do it
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it
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it officially um you know every uh
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officially um you know every uh
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officially um you know every uh every quarter and then i promote it like
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every quarter and then i promote it like
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every quarter and then i promote it like i just said on my last one
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i just said on my last one
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i just said on my last one so um if you have an open source
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so um if you have an open source
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so um if you have an open source repository
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repository
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repository you know generally i would i would i
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you know generally i would i would i
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you know generally i would i would i feel that it should be also be on new
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feel that it should be also be on new
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feel that it should be also be on new git so people can just use it
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git so people can just use it
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git so people can just use it um instead of doing compile and all that
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um instead of doing compile and all that
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um instead of doing compile and all that stuff nuget is so much easier
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stuff nuget is so much easier
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stuff nuget is so much easier to share uh packages you know share dlls
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to share uh packages you know share dlls
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to share uh packages you know share dlls now
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now
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now so just use new good
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so just use new good
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so just use new good and don't forget to contribute to other
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and don't forget to contribute to other
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and don't forget to contribute to other repositories
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repositories
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repositories even.net core or dotnet framework you
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even.net core or dotnet framework you
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even.net core or dotnet framework you know
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know
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know microsoft welcomes help and i've been
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microsoft welcomes help and i've been
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microsoft welcomes help and i've been you know i've done work on the
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you know i've done work on the
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you know i've done work on the and any of the framework um um
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and any of the framework um um
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and any of the framework um um base uh code base um and so
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base uh code base um and so
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base uh code base um and so i am part of some other repositories i
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i am part of some other repositories i
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i am part of some other repositories i don't work on them
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don't work on them
44:41
don't work on them near as much as i really should but you
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near as much as i really should but you
44:44
near as much as i really should but you know if you're new to this and you even
44:46
know if you're new to this and you even
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know if you're new to this and you even don't have an open source repository
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don't have an open source repository
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don't have an open source repository then
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then
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then join one you know and submit a pull pull
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join one you know and submit a pull pull
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join one you know and submit a pull pull request and see what happens
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request and see what happens
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request and see what happens you know um it can't hurt it can and it
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you know um it can't hurt it can and it
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you know um it can't hurt it can and it can only give you visibility into
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can only give you visibility into
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can only give you visibility into you know whatever team at microsoft or
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you know whatever team at microsoft or
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you know whatever team at microsoft or google whoever
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google whoever
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google whoever you know that you might be interested in
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you know that you might be interested in
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you know that you might be interested in so it's it's a good way to uh
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so it's it's a good way to uh
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so it's it's a good way to uh start getting your name down um
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oh my github uh username is real.netdave
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oh my github uh username is real.netdave
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oh my github uh username is real.netdave um for those who ask me so that's the
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um for those who ask me so that's the
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um for those who ask me so that's the end of my slides
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end of my slides
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end of my slides um what is my favorite repro
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um what is my favorite repro
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um what is my favorite repro on github um besides
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on github um besides
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on github um besides benchmark.net i would um let me see
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benchmark.net i would um let me see
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benchmark.net i would um let me see which one do i look at a lot oh i look
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which one do i look at a lot oh i look
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which one do i look at a lot oh i look at the
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at the
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at the net uh core framework a lot
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net uh core framework a lot
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net uh core framework a lot they are no i do yeah i do and actually
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they are no i do yeah i do and actually
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they are no i do yeah i do and actually um you know i i will i will admit this
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um you know i i will i will admit this
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um you know i i will i will admit this but you know some of the stuff
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but you know some of the stuff
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but you know some of the stuff in you know my new release is actually
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in you know my new release is actually
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in you know my new release is actually from
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from
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from the donecore source you know because uh
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the donecore source you know because uh
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the donecore source you know because uh you know i had some downtime and i was
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you know i had some downtime and i was
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you know i had some downtime and i was looking to add some new methods to
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looking to add some new methods to
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looking to add some new methods to uh my repository and for some other
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uh my repository and for some other
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uh my repository and for some other reason i was looking through the.net
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reason i was looking through the.net
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reason i was looking through the.net core
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core
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core uh repository about something and i
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uh repository about something and i
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uh repository about something and i noticed
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noticed
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noticed that there were a lot of there was
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that there were a lot of there was
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that there were a lot of there was a lot of real cool code that wasn't
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a lot of real cool code that wasn't
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a lot of real cool code that wasn't public
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public
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public and i was going why isn't this public so
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and i was going why isn't this public so
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and i was going why isn't this public so i said
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i said
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i said okay i'm going to go through the entire
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okay i'm going to go through the entire
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okay i'm going to go through the entire source and try to find all these things
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which which i did and a lot of the ones
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which which i did and a lot of the ones
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which which i did and a lot of the ones that i
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that i
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that i liked or i saw useful i put in my
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liked or i saw useful i put in my
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liked or i saw useful i put in my repository i gave
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repository i gave
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repository i gave donecore credit for it of course but i
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donecore credit for it of course but i
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donecore credit for it of course but i put it in my repository and it's there
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put it in my repository and it's there
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put it in my repository and it's there now so it's public now
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now so it's public now
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now so it's public now and and so i don't know why dotnet
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and and so i don't know why dotnet
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and and so i don't know why dotnet didn't make those
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didn't make those
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didn't make those um methods or classes public but some of
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um methods or classes public but some of
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um methods or classes public but some of them i did
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them i did
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them i did like i i exposed um a really interesting
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like i i exposed um a really interesting
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like i i exposed um a really interesting timer that i found at donet core uh
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timer that i found at donet core uh
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timer that i found at donet core uh called the countdown timer so um again
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called the countdown timer so um again
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called the countdown timer so um again that's not public.net core
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that's not public.net core
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that's not public.net core but it is now public in my source so um
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but it is now public in my source so um
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but it is now public in my source so um you can go check it out um
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you can go check it out um
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you can go check it out um all right so david that was an amazing
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all right so david that was an amazing
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all right so david that was an amazing session let's go and take
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session let's go and take
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session let's go and take a few questions that we have from
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a few questions that we have from
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a few questions that we have from the viewers uh taking the first couple
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the viewers uh taking the first couple
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the viewers uh taking the first couple minutes
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minutes
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minutes ask me anything yeah so attacking
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ask me anything yeah so attacking
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ask me anything yeah so attacking her says what's your opinion about
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her says what's your opinion about
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her says what's your opinion about barrier to entry in open source people
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barrier to entry in open source people
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barrier to entry in open source people create open source projects and don't
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create open source projects and don't
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create open source projects and don't explain
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explain
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explain how that code works they mostly explain
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how that code works they mostly explain
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how that code works they mostly explain how to use it
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how to use it
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how to use it any solution that people just want their
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any solution that people just want their
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any solution that people just want their code to be
47:30
code to be
47:30
code to be downloaded and be used right they want
47:32
downloaded and be used right they want
47:32
downloaded and be used right they want more of the folks and all that
47:33
more of the folks and all that
47:34
more of the folks and all that so maybe maybe you can talk a little
47:35
so maybe maybe you can talk a little
47:35
so maybe maybe you can talk a little more about that
47:37
more about that
47:37
more about that yeah well i've i i think i've talked
47:39
yeah well i've i i think i've talked
47:39
yeah well i've i i think i've talked about that already
47:40
about that already
47:40
about that already you know and that is you know you know
47:42
you know and that is you know you know
47:42
you know and that is you know you know make sure everything is documented
47:44
make sure everything is documented
47:44
make sure everything is documented you know um make sure not only the code
47:47
you know um make sure not only the code
47:47
you know um make sure not only the code is documented but how to use it is
47:49
is documented but how to use it is
47:49
is documented but how to use it is documented like that
47:51
documented like that
47:51
documented like that the struggle i was going through with
47:52
the struggle i was going through with
47:52
the struggle i was going through with that one team at microsoft
47:54
that one team at microsoft
47:54
that one team at microsoft you know that you know didn't really
47:57
you know that you know didn't really
47:57
you know that you know didn't really seem to be interested in documenting
47:58
seem to be interested in documenting
47:58
seem to be interested in documenting their own tool you know so make sure you
48:02
their own tool you know so make sure you
48:02
their own tool you know so make sure you document as much as possible
48:04
document as much as possible
48:04
document as much as possible and and one of the things i i was
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and and one of the things i i was
48:06
and and one of the things i i was thinking about before this session was
48:09
thinking about before this session was
48:09
thinking about before this session was you know i i you know the more i'm a
48:12
you know i i you know the more i'm a
48:12
you know i i you know the more i'm a software developer
48:14
software developer
48:14
software developer the less i can put myself in other
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the less i can put myself in other
48:16
the less i can put myself in other people's shoes that aren't software
48:18
people's shoes that aren't software
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people's shoes that aren't software developers or not like me
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developers or not like me
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developers or not like me right so back in the beginning when i
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right so back in the beginning when i
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right so back in the beginning when i was a beginner i was really good at that
48:25
was a beginner i was really good at that
48:25
was a beginner i was really good at that but i'm not as good as it as i am now
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but i'm not as good as it as i am now
48:28
but i'm not as good as it as i am now so one of the things that i do if i
48:29
so one of the things that i do if i
48:29
so one of the things that i do if i don't have other people's input
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don't have other people's input
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don't have other people's input is i try to look at my documentation and
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is i try to look at my documentation and
48:34
is i try to look at my documentation and say
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say
48:35
say okay what's you know how can i get
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okay what's you know how can i get
48:37
okay what's you know how can i get people using this
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people using this
48:38
people using this the simplest way and that's what i'll
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the simplest way and that's what i'll
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the simplest way and that's what i'll document first
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document first
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document first right but when i was thinking about this
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right but when i was thinking about this
48:45
right but when i was thinking about this this past week i was thinking you know
48:48
this past week i was thinking you know
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this past week i was thinking you know a better thing to do if you have
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a better thing to do if you have
48:50
a better thing to do if you have somebody who could do this
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somebody who could do this
48:51
somebody who could do this is have someone look at your repository
48:54
is have someone look at your repository
48:54
is have someone look at your repository that's never seen it
48:55
that's never seen it
48:55
that's never seen it ever before and just tell them to go
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ever before and just tell them to go
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ever before and just tell them to go download it or download the nougat
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download it or download the nougat
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download it or download the nougat package and start using
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package and start using
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package and start using it and see what struggles they have
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it and see what struggles they have
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it and see what struggles they have and that's exactly what you should
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and that's exactly what you should
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and that's exactly what you should document and i think that's the problem
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document and i think that's the problem
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document and i think that's the problem with more senior developers is we don't
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with more senior developers is we don't
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with more senior developers is we don't see that as much
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see that as much
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see that as much as we did when we were junior developers
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as we did when we were junior developers
49:14
as we did when we were junior developers right so
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right so
49:17
right so try to get somebody involved to look at
49:19
try to get somebody involved to look at
49:19
try to get somebody involved to look at your documentation that's never seen
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your documentation that's never seen
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your documentation that's never seen that before
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that before
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that before and you know a couple years ago i was
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and you know a couple years ago i was
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and you know a couple years ago i was working at this um
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working at this um
49:25
working at this um company and one of their products was
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company and one of their products was
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company and one of their products was this fitness machine there you can watch
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this fitness machine there you can watch
49:30
this fitness machine there you can watch videos while you're you know getting
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videos while you're you know getting
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videos while you're you know getting your work out and stuff like that
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your work out and stuff like that
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your work out and stuff like that and um so when i first started the
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and um so when i first started the
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and um so when i first started the company they were coming out with a
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company they were coming out with a
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company they were coming out with a brand new version of that machine a
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brand new version of that machine a
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brand new version of that machine a brand new screen a brand new computer
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brand new screen a brand new computer
49:41
brand new screen a brand new computer brand new everything
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brand new everything
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brand new everything and you know every every morning on the
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and you know every every morning on the
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and you know every every morning on the way in
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way in
49:46
way in i would pass it but when i started they
49:49
i would pass it but when i started they
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i would pass it but when i started they said they said to me
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said they said to me
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said they said to me don't look at the machine
49:54
no seriously he said don't look at it
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no seriously he said don't look at it
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no seriously he said don't look at it don't get on it don't try to use it
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don't get on it don't try to use it
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don't get on it don't try to use it and they and i said why and they said
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and they and i said why and they said
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and they and i said why and they said because when we're done
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because when we're done
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because when we're done we want a fresh pair of eyes to look at
50:05
we want a fresh pair of eyes to look at
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we want a fresh pair of eyes to look at it that's not us
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it that's not us
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it that's not us right that's been working on this for
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right that's been working on this for
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right that's been working on this for the last who knows how many years right
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the last who knows how many years right
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the last who knows how many years right and that's exactly what i did once they
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and that's exactly what i did once they
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and that's exactly what i did once they had a version ready
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had a version ready
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had a version ready you know uh for release they had me look
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you know uh for release they had me look
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you know uh for release they had me look at it and i
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at it and i
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at it and i told them all the things that i found
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told them all the things that i found
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told them all the things that i found difficult
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difficult
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difficult being you know a brand new user for a
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being you know a brand new user for a
50:25
being you know a brand new user for a buy i've never used a bike like that i
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buy i've never used a bike like that i
50:27
buy i've never used a bike like that i you know exercise bike like that before
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you know exercise bike like that before
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you know exercise bike like that before so they wanted me to see fresh eyes so i
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so they wanted me to see fresh eyes so i
50:32
so they wanted me to see fresh eyes so i think that's a real good idea if you can
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think that's a real good idea if you can
50:33
think that's a real good idea if you can get fresh eyes on your repository or
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get fresh eyes on your repository or
50:35
get fresh eyes on your repository or documentation
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documentation
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documentation that's like the best thing you can do
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that's like the best thing you can do
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that's like the best thing you can do yeah that's an amazing uh
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yeah that's an amazing uh
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yeah that's an amazing uh feedback i mean an idea to make sure
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feedback i mean an idea to make sure
50:42
feedback i mean an idea to make sure that your repo
50:43
that your repo
50:43
that your repo is all good i mean just show you go
50:46
is all good i mean just show you go
50:46
is all good i mean just show you go ahead and use it like someone is
50:47
ahead and use it like someone is
50:47
ahead and use it like someone is watching for the very first time
50:48
watching for the very first time
50:48
watching for the very first time and just think of the challenges one
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and just think of the challenges one
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and just think of the challenges one would fit that's a very very nice
50:52
would fit that's a very very nice
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would fit that's a very very nice tip tip uh let's take uh one quick
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tip tip uh let's take uh one quick
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tip tip uh let's take uh one quick question that we had
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question that we had
50:56
question that we had from richard bajaj a very generic
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from richard bajaj a very generic
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from richard bajaj a very generic question she would ask
50:59
question she would ask
50:59
question she would ask what is the best technology to learn
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what is the best technology to learn
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what is the best technology to learn these days i mean this is very generic
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these days i mean this is very generic
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these days i mean this is very generic but let me go ahead and uh give you
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but let me go ahead and uh give you
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but let me go ahead and uh give you three categories what is the best cloud
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three categories what is the best cloud
51:07
three categories what is the best cloud that you would suggest
51:08
that you would suggest
51:08
that you would suggest what are what is the best web tech you
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what are what is the best web tech you
51:10
what are what is the best web tech you would suggest and what is the best
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would suggest and what is the best
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would suggest and what is the best maybe uh a mobile framework
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maybe uh a mobile framework
51:16
maybe uh a mobile framework um well i mean that's a difficult
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um well i mean that's a difficult
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um well i mean that's a difficult question for me to ask since i'm a
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question for me to ask since i'm a
51:21
question for me to ask since i'm a microsoft
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microsoft
51:22
microsoft uh i mean answer because i'm microsoft
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uh i mean answer because i'm microsoft
51:25
uh i mean answer because i'm microsoft yeah i know your answers most of them
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yeah i know your answers most of them
51:28
yeah i know your answers most of them but you know even though that i'm an mvp
51:30
but you know even though that i'm an mvp
51:30
but you know even though that i'm an mvp i
51:31
i
51:31
i if any of you know me you know i speak
51:33
if any of you know me you know i speak
51:34
if any of you know me you know i speak my mind i don't hold back
51:35
my mind i don't hold back
51:36
my mind i don't hold back you know that gets me in trouble
51:37
you know that gets me in trouble
51:37
you know that gets me in trouble sometimes but you know
51:40
sometimes but you know
51:40
sometimes but you know i use what works best you know for me at
51:43
i use what works best you know for me at
51:43
i use what works best you know for me at least or my teams and so
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least or my teams and so
51:46
least or my teams and so let's go to cloud first so i have used
51:49
let's go to cloud first so i have used
51:49
let's go to cloud first so i have used in production
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in production
51:50
in production both um um aws on
51:53
both um um aws on
51:53
both um um aws on multiple projects and azure not enough
51:56
multiple projects and azure not enough
51:56
multiple projects and azure not enough on azure but
51:57
on azure but
51:57
on azure but um it seems like in southern california
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um it seems like in southern california
52:00
um it seems like in southern california aws is more popular than
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aws is more popular than
52:02
aws is more popular than azure unfortunately so i've used both
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azure unfortunately so i've used both
52:04
azure unfortunately so i've used both technologies
52:06
technologies
52:06
technologies um and uh for me as a dotnet developer
52:09
um and uh for me as a dotnet developer
52:09
um and uh for me as a dotnet developer azure is hands down better than aws
52:13
azure is hands down better than aws
52:13
azure is hands down better than aws as far as um uh you know
52:17
as far as um uh you know
52:17
as far as um uh you know using it everything tying together
52:19
using it everything tying together
52:19
using it everything tying together nicely
52:20
nicely
52:20
nicely you know um you know application
52:22
you know um you know application
52:22
you know um you know application insights is
52:23
insights is
52:23
insights is awesome compared to cloudwatch
52:26
awesome compared to cloudwatch
52:26
awesome compared to cloudwatch cloudwatch is useless pretty much
52:28
cloudwatch is useless pretty much
52:28
cloudwatch is useless pretty much on aws but you know uh
52:31
on aws but you know uh
52:31
on aws but you know uh application insights is awesome and the
52:33
application insights is awesome and the
52:33
application insights is awesome and the other cool thing about application
52:34
other cool thing about application
52:34
other cool thing about application insights
52:35
insights
52:35
insights is you can actually use it from windows
52:37
is you can actually use it from windows
52:37
is you can actually use it from windows apps now you don't have
52:39
apps now you don't have
52:39
apps now you don't have it doesn't have to be just um azure now
52:41
it doesn't have to be just um azure now
52:41
it doesn't have to be just um azure now so
52:42
so
52:42
so um so for cloud hands down unless you
52:45
um so for cloud hands down unless you
52:45
um so for cloud hands down unless you are in amazon right um
52:48
are in amazon right um
52:48
are in amazon right um i think aws is is uh too much work
52:53
i think aws is is uh too much work
52:53
i think aws is is uh too much work and you know the the other thing i found
52:55
and you know the the other thing i found
52:55
and you know the the other thing i found out at one of the teams i worked on
52:57
out at one of the teams i worked on
52:57
out at one of the teams i worked on that we used aws is if you have aws
53:00
that we used aws is if you have aws
53:00
that we used aws is if you have aws you pretty much have to hire somebody
53:02
you pretty much have to hire somebody
53:02
you pretty much have to hire somebody dedicated just to run the dang thing
53:05
dedicated just to run the dang thing
53:05
dedicated just to run the dang thing so um if you're going to use aws make
53:08
so um if you're going to use aws make
53:08
so um if you're going to use aws make sure you hire an aws
53:10
sure you hire an aws
53:10
sure you hire an aws expert i mean a devops expert not a
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expert i mean a devops expert not a
53:12
expert i mean a devops expert not a programmer
53:13
programmer
53:13
programmer a devops expert because aws is
53:17
a devops expert because aws is
53:17
a devops expert because aws is a lot more complicated to set up
53:20
a lot more complicated to set up
53:20
a lot more complicated to set up so you know smaller projects smaller
53:24
so you know smaller projects smaller
53:24
so you know smaller projects smaller websites and stuff like that
53:26
websites and stuff like that
53:26
websites and stuff like that you know i think azure especially if
53:28
you know i think azure especially if
53:28
you know i think azure especially if you're on the dotnet stack azure is the
53:30
you're on the dotnet stack azure is the
53:30
you're on the dotnet stack azure is the way to go
53:31
way to go
53:31
way to go and you know i even made a comment about
53:32
and you know i even made a comment about
53:32
and you know i even made a comment about this yesterday that you know one of my
53:34
this yesterday that you know one of my
53:34
this yesterday that you know one of my friends
53:35
friends
53:35
friends you know not only are we living through
53:37
you know not only are we living through
53:37
you know not only are we living through a pandemic but now my state's on fire
53:39
a pandemic but now my state's on fire
53:39
a pandemic but now my state's on fire you know i even smelled smoke the other
53:41
you know i even smelled smoke the other
53:41
you know i even smelled smoke the other day and um
53:43
day and um
53:43
day and um and it's really bad in northern
53:44
and it's really bad in northern
53:44
and it's really bad in northern california and it's so bad that one of
53:46
california and it's so bad that one of
53:46
california and it's so bad that one of my teammates is actually
53:47
my teammates is actually
53:47
my teammates is actually escaping northern california right now
53:49
escaping northern california right now
53:49
escaping northern california right now and coming back down to san diego
53:51
and coming back down to san diego
53:51
and coming back down to san diego because and then i heard somebody else
53:53
because and then i heard somebody else
53:53
because and then i heard somebody else get um evacuated
53:55
get um evacuated
53:55
get um evacuated um this morning but yesterday you know
53:58
um this morning but yesterday you know
53:58
um this morning but yesterday you know uh
53:58
uh
53:58
uh one of my longtime friends deborah
54:00
one of my longtime friends deborah
54:00
one of my longtime friends deborah corrada who lives in northern california
54:03
corrada who lives in northern california
54:03
corrada who lives in northern california um tweeted something that you know
54:06
um tweeted something that you know
54:06
um tweeted something that you know the the california fire website was down
54:11
the the california fire website was down
54:11
the the california fire website was down and and i said well they should have
54:14
and and i said well they should have
54:14
and and i said well they should have used azure
54:17
because that would have happened with
54:19
because that would have happened with
54:19
because that would have happened with azure right but um
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azure right but um
54:21
azure right but um and uh so um so as far as cloud
54:25
and uh so um so as far as cloud
54:25
and uh so um so as far as cloud you know um to me that's you know the
54:27
you know um to me that's you know the
54:27
you know um to me that's you know the way to go
54:28
way to go
54:28
way to go as far as like um windows apps and stuff
54:30
as far as like um windows apps and stuff
54:30
as far as like um windows apps and stuff i'm
54:31
i'm
54:31
i'm i'm not really sure what you know is
54:34
i'm not really sure what you know is
54:34
i'm not really sure what you know is going on with all that
54:35
going on with all that
54:35
going on with all that you know um hopefully with the the new
54:37
you know um hopefully with the the new
54:37
you know um hopefully with the the new um
54:38
um
54:38
um net five stuff you know the uh
54:41
net five stuff you know the uh
54:41
net five stuff you know the uh you know writing apps in in decor will
54:44
you know writing apps in in decor will
54:44
you know writing apps in in decor will be um
54:45
be um
54:45
be um easier because right now you know it's
54:47
easier because right now you know it's
54:47
easier because right now you know it's it's only been added recently like in
54:48
it's only been added recently like in
54:48
it's only been added recently like in the last year
54:49
the last year
54:50
the last year not even a year and um so
54:53
not even a year and um so
54:53
not even a year and um so i see that picking up but i'm still kind
54:56
i see that picking up but i'm still kind
54:56
i see that picking up but i'm still kind of in a wait and see kind of thing with
54:57
of in a wait and see kind of thing with
54:57
of in a wait and see kind of thing with that
54:58
that
54:58
that um as far as the web goes you know
55:01
um as far as the web goes you know
55:02
um as far as the web goes you know i definitely recommend you know um
55:04
i definitely recommend you know um
55:04
i definitely recommend you know um asp.net or
55:06
asp.net or
55:06
asp.net or asp.net blazer um i'm very very
55:08
asp.net blazer um i'm very very
55:08
asp.net blazer um i'm very very interested in blazer i've done talks
55:10
interested in blazer i've done talks
55:10
interested in blazer i've done talks about it you know
55:11
about it you know
55:11
about it you know and um i see a lot of promise in in
55:14
and um i see a lot of promise in in
55:14
and um i see a lot of promise in in blazer you know and and whenever i say
55:16
blazer you know and and whenever i say
55:16
blazer you know and and whenever i say that people say well
55:18
that people say well
55:18
that people say well uh do you think it's gonna go the way of
55:20
uh do you think it's gonna go the way of
55:20
uh do you think it's gonna go the way of um silver lighter you know yeah
55:22
um silver lighter you know yeah
55:22
um silver lighter you know yeah all the other technologies that have
55:24
all the other technologies that have
55:24
all the other technologies that have really like died in microsoft
55:27
really like died in microsoft
55:27
really like died in microsoft and um right now i don't see that you
55:30
and um right now i don't see that you
55:30
and um right now i don't see that you know
55:30
know
55:30
know um not only based on the technology but
55:33
um not only based on the technology but
55:33
um not only based on the technology but based on
55:33
based on
55:33
based on its adoption you know there's a lot of
55:36
its adoption you know there's a lot of
55:36
its adoption you know there's a lot of people adopting blazer including myself
55:39
people adopting blazer including myself
55:39
people adopting blazer including myself um and if i were going to write
55:42
um and if i were going to write
55:42
um and if i were going to write something new
55:43
something new
55:43
something new on the web i would use blazer um
55:46
on the web i would use blazer um
55:46
on the web i would use blazer um because it has a potential of being
55:49
because it has a potential of being
55:49
because it has a potential of being faster than even asp.net
55:51
faster than even asp.net
55:51
faster than even asp.net and um and it's just much easier you
55:54
and um and it's just much easier you
55:54
and um and it's just much easier you know
55:55
know
55:55
know to write um user experience code
55:58
to write um user experience code
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to write um user experience code in in a in a web uh you know in the
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in in a in a web uh you know in the
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in in a in a web uh you know in the razer page
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razer page
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razer page so um anyway
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so um anyway
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so um anyway let's point that that this blazer is
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let's point that that this blazer is
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let's point that that this blazer is more for like a dot-net developer the
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more for like a dot-net developer the
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more for like a dot-net developer the guys who come from a c-sharp background
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guys who come from a c-sharp background
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guys who come from a c-sharp background right
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right
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right it it is kind of lean toward more
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it it is kind of lean toward more
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it it is kind of lean toward more towards them right so
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towards them right so
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towards them right so yeah yeah but you know the good thing
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yeah yeah but you know the good thing
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yeah yeah but you know the good thing with you know c sharp is c
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with you know c sharp is c
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with you know c sharp is c sharp you know is you know the red you
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sharp you know is you know the red you
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sharp you know is you know the red you know the
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know the
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know the original part of you know c sharp was
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original part of you know c sharp was
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original part of you know c sharp was developed from
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developed from
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developed from java you know and um
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java you know and um
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java you know and um so c sharp i'm i mean i haven't used
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so c sharp i'm i mean i haven't used
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so c sharp i'm i mean i haven't used java in a long time but
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java in a long time but
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java in a long time but you know if you use java c sharp
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you know if you use java c sharp
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you know if you use java c sharp shouldn't be that much of a stretch to
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shouldn't be that much of a stretch to
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shouldn't be that much of a stretch to learn
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learn
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learn you know i i can't really say about the
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you know i i can't really say about the
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you know i i can't really say about the other languages but
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other languages but
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other languages but um i don't think c sharp is really that
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um i don't think c sharp is really that
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um i don't think c sharp is really that hard to get into
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hard to get into
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hard to get into and uh and and if that's a barrier use
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and uh and and if that's a barrier use
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and uh and and if that's a barrier use vb.net
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vb.net
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vb.net you know vb done is even easier i mean
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you know vb done is even easier i mean
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you know vb done is even easier i mean that's what i started with you know that
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that's what i started with you know that
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that's what i started with you know that i
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i
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i you know i started programming
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you know i started programming
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you know i started programming officially in this world using visual
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officially in this world using visual
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officially in this world using visual basic two
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basic two
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basic two you know so um not vb.net visual basic
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you know so um not vb.net visual basic
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you know so um not vb.net visual basic back in the early 90s so um that's how i
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back in the early 90s so um that's how i
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back in the early 90s so um that's how i started and
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started and
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started and and you know and people might say oh
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and you know and people might say oh
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and you know and people might say oh you're not a real programmer if you use
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you're not a real programmer if you use
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you're not a real programmer if you use visual basic well
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visual basic well
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visual basic well you know i but i am now
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you know i but i am now
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you know i but i am now okay that makes sense yeah well you have
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okay that makes sense yeah well you have
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okay that makes sense yeah well you have to start somewhere and to me
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to start somewhere and to me
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to start somewhere and to me the language shouldn't be the barrier to
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the language shouldn't be the barrier to
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the language shouldn't be the barrier to get into programming
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get into programming
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get into programming right yeah you should and this is what
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right yeah you should and this is what
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right yeah you should and this is what even the beginning of.net is suggested
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even the beginning of.net is suggested
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even the beginning of.net is suggested to my students
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to my students
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to my students is learn the language that's that's
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is learn the language that's that's
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is learn the language that's that's easier for you to learn
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easier for you to learn
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easier for you to learn first right so if you come from a vb
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first right so if you come from a vb
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first right so if you come from a vb background then i and then i recommended
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background then i and then i recommended
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background then i and then i recommended people to get into vb.net
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people to get into vb.net
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people to get into vb.net if you come from a c plus plus or java
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if you come from a c plus plus or java
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if you come from a c plus plus or java background
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background
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background then i recommend people get in c sharp
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then i recommend people get in c sharp
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then i recommend people get in c sharp and i always warned my st
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and i always warned my st
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and i always warned my st i always told my students is once you
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i always told my students is once you
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i always told my students is once you become proficient with one then become
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become proficient with one then become
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become proficient with one then become proficient with the other
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proficient with the other
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proficient with the other right because you know different like
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right because you know different like
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right because you know different like you know i can only really speak about
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you know i can only really speak about
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you know i can only really speak about america but you know different pockets
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america but you know different pockets
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america but you know different pockets of america
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of america
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of america lean more towards one language or the
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lean more towards one language or the
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lean more towards one language or the other right
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other right
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other right on on the west coast everybody leans
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on on the west coast everybody leans
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on on the west coast everybody leans towards c
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towards c
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towards c sharp because everybody because the
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sharp because everybody because the
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sharp because everybody because the background everybody
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background everybody
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background everybody is is from here on the east coast
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is is from here on the east coast
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is is from here on the east coast people lean towards visual basic.net
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people lean towards visual basic.net
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people lean towards visual basic.net right the entire entire country of
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right the entire entire country of
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right the entire entire country of germany
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germany
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germany leans to vb.net right so
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leans to vb.net right so
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leans to vb.net right so that's why i always tell people to learn
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that's why i always tell people to learn
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that's why i always tell people to learn more than
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more than
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more than one.net language because it might be
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one.net language because it might be
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one.net language because it might be really useful to you if you change
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really useful to you if you change
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really useful to you if you change jobs or move somewhere else yeah and i
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jobs or move somewhere else yeah and i
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jobs or move somewhere else yeah and i think
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think
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think as you said about germany there are many
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as you said about germany there are many
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as you said about germany there are many few uh startups that have now reached a
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few uh startups that have now reached a
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few uh startups that have now reached a billion dollar
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billion dollar
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billion dollar evaluation even they use vv.net till now
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evaluation even they use vv.net till now
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evaluation even they use vv.net till now many of the rpa tools that we
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many of the rpa tools that we
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many of the rpa tools that we have so definitely it's about getting
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have so definitely it's about getting
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have so definitely it's about getting started and then you can of course
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started and then you can of course
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started and then you can of course uh the most of the start is to get
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uh the most of the start is to get
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uh the most of the start is to get started and eventually you can
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started and eventually you can
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started and eventually you can move to anyone that is in there let's
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move to anyone that is in there let's
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move to anyone that is in there let's also talk about mahesh that says
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also talk about mahesh that says
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also talk about mahesh that says uh about let's let me put his comment
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uh about let's let me put his comment
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uh about let's let me put his comment can you guys talk what tomorrow we will
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can you guys talk what tomorrow we will
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can you guys talk what tomorrow we will be starting something on developer
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be starting something on developer
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be starting something on developer health and motivation
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health and motivation
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health and motivation so david i do see that you all have some
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so david i do see that you all have some
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so david i do see that you all have some articles on staying healthy tip how to
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articles on staying healthy tip how to
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articles on staying healthy tip how to keep
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keep
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keep your wrist pain free right world
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your wrist pain free right world
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your wrist pain free right world condemning issuing work
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condemning issuing work
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condemning issuing work remote from home these are quite uh a
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remote from home these are quite uh a
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remote from home these are quite uh a new category of articles and the content
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new category of articles and the content
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new category of articles and the content you just
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you just
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you just started putting on c sharp corner right
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started putting on c sharp corner right
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started putting on c sharp corner right so would you like to quickly go over and
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so would you like to quickly go over and
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so would you like to quickly go over and talk what is it
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talk what is it
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talk what is it and what made you write these content
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and what made you write these content
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and what made you write these content well what made me write the content is
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well what made me write the content is
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well what made me write the content is actually mahesh
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actually mahesh
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actually mahesh you know um no really um you know back
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you know um no really um you know back
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you know um no really um you know back in
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in
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in 2018 i was in philadelphia
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2018 i was in philadelphia
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2018 i was in philadelphia uh speaking at the the code camp there
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uh speaking at the the code camp there
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uh speaking at the the code camp there and um
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and um
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and um in pennsylvania the state pennsylvania
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in pennsylvania the state pennsylvania
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in pennsylvania the state pennsylvania here in america
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here in america
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here in america and um you know the day after the
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and um you know the day after the
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and um you know the day after the conference i i'm actually from
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conference i i'm actually from
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conference i i'm actually from i was born back east and and grew up as
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i was born back east and and grew up as
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i was born back east and and grew up as a little kid back east
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a little kid back east
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a little kid back east and so i all my relatives still live
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and so i all my relatives still live
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and so i all my relatives still live back east i don't have any relatives out
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back east i don't have any relatives out
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back east i don't have any relatives out here at all
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here at all
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here at all and um so you know the day after the
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and um so you know the day after the
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and um so you know the day after the um the code camp you know i was going to
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um the code camp you know i was going to
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um the code camp you know i was going to drive down
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drive down
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drive down um to maryland which is south of um
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um to maryland which is south of um
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um to maryland which is south of um philadelphia to spend a couple days
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philadelphia to spend a couple days
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philadelphia to spend a couple days a day or so with my aunt and uncle my
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a day or so with my aunt and uncle my
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a day or so with my aunt and uncle my favorite aunt and uncle
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favorite aunt and uncle
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favorite aunt and uncle and um and they have a house on the lake
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and um and they have a house on the lake
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and um and they have a house on the lake and mahesh said hey why don't you stop
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and mahesh said hey why don't you stop
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and mahesh said hey why don't you stop by my house and i go okay
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by my house and i go okay
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by my house and i go okay so uh on the way down i stopped at
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so uh on the way down i stopped at
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so uh on the way down i stopped at mahesh's house
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mahesh's house
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mahesh's house and um and we talked and and uh
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and um and we talked and and uh
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and um and we talked and and uh chatted and one of the things he said
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chatted and one of the things he said
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chatted and one of the things he said was you know dave i want you to start
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was you know dave i want you to start
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was you know dave i want you to start writing
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writing
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writing um articles about health i said
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um articles about health i said
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um articles about health i said okay so i uh you know
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okay so i uh you know
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okay so i uh you know i have had it in other articles but you
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i have had it in other articles but you
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i have had it in other articles but you know my latest article on c sharp corner
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know my latest article on c sharp corner
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know my latest article on c sharp corner which i think the last time i checked
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which i think the last time i checked
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which i think the last time i checked had like a thousand one point
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had like a thousand one point
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had like a thousand one point uh 3 000 reads right is my
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uh 3 000 reads right is my
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uh 3 000 reads right is my first full-blown health article which is
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first full-blown health article which is
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first full-blown health article which is just about health
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just about health
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just about health and it's about um you know staying
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and it's about um you know staying
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and it's about um you know staying afraid of wrist pain you know there's
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afraid of wrist pain you know there's
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afraid of wrist pain you know there's there's lots of
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there's lots of
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there's lots of health issues we have being a developer
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health issues we have being a developer
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health issues we have being a developer including back problems
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including back problems
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including back problems i constantly have neck problems you know
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i constantly have neck problems you know
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i constantly have neck problems you know and risk problems
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and risk problems
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and risk problems and um and risk problems
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and um and risk problems
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and um and risk problems not only are horribly painful
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not only are horribly painful
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not only are horribly painful to the point where nothing no pain
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to the point where nothing no pain
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to the point where nothing no pain reliever really works
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reliever really works
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reliever really works um but they're really hard to get rid of
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um but they're really hard to get rid of
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um but they're really hard to get rid of you know and
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you know and
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you know and and if it gets bad enough then you'll
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and if it gets bad enough then you'll
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and if it gets bad enough then you'll and like i talked in the article you'll
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and like i talked in the article you'll
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and like i talked in the article you'll you'll uh you'll get something called
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you'll uh you'll get something called
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you'll uh you'll get something called carpal tunnel syndrome
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carpal tunnel syndrome
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carpal tunnel syndrome and that can lead to surgery and many
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and that can lead to surgery and many
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and that can lead to surgery and many many months off of work and many many
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many months off of work and many many
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many months off of work and many many months in
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months in
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months in in re rehab and um
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in re rehab and um
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in re rehab and um and so you don't want to do that so you
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and so you don't want to do that so you
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and so you don't want to do that so you know when when i
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know when when i
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know when when i when i think about that you know the
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when i think about that you know the
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when i think about that you know the first people i think about
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first people i think about
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first people i think about are the the checkout people at the
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are the the checkout people at the
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are the the checkout people at the grocery store right
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grocery store right
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grocery store right if you go to the grocery store at least
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if you go to the grocery store at least
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if you go to the grocery store at least in america and if you see one of the
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in america and if you see one of the
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in america and if you see one of the checkout people
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checkout people
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checkout people either have a big thing on her on their
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either have a big thing on her on their
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either have a big thing on her on their arm or big plastic thing on their arm
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arm or big plastic thing on their arm
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arm or big plastic thing on their arm like i was wearing earlier this year
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like i was wearing earlier this year
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like i was wearing earlier this year they have carpal tunnel syndrome and
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they have carpal tunnel syndrome and
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they have carpal tunnel syndrome and it's because of the repetitive motion
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it's because of the repetitive motion
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it's because of the repetitive motion that they do to scanning those items
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that they do to scanning those items
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that they do to scanning those items right um they get carpal tunnel syndrome
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right um they get carpal tunnel syndrome
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right um they get carpal tunnel syndrome and it's really bad i've talked to some
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and it's really bad i've talked to some
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and it's really bad i've talked to some of them
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of them
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of them and um so anyway i shared you know one
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and um so anyway i shared you know one
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and um so anyway i shared you know one of the things that i
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of the things that i
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of the things that i um came up with back in the late 90s to
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um came up with back in the late 90s to
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um came up with back in the late 90s to save myself
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save myself
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save myself from getting surgery and i've done that
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from getting surgery and i've done that
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from getting surgery and i've done that you know um
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you know um
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you know um like i said i did have a flare-up um at
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like i said i did have a flare-up um at
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like i said i did have a flare-up um at the beginning of the year
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the beginning of the year
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the beginning of the year and i usually get flare-ups when i'm
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and i usually get flare-ups when i'm
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and i usually get flare-ups when i'm doing a lot of video work on adobe
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doing a lot of video work on adobe
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doing a lot of video work on adobe um and so i did have one earlier this
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um and so i did have one earlier this
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um and so i did have one earlier this year but um generally i don't have them
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year but um generally i don't have them
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year but um generally i don't have them at all anymore
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at all anymore
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at all anymore and um so just like with any other
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and um so just like with any other
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and um so just like with any other occupation
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occupation
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occupation you know there's there's occupational
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you know there's there's occupational
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you know there's there's occupational hazards and we have them
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hazards and we have them
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hazards and we have them you know and that's what we're going to
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you know and that's what we're going to
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you know and that's what we're going to be talking about in the conference
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be talking about in the conference
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be talking about in the conference tomorrow
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tomorrow
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tomorrow um or in the session tomorrow is you
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um or in the session tomorrow is you
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um or in the session tomorrow is you know how some of us
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know how some of us
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know how some of us more senior developers have have have
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more senior developers have have have
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more senior developers have have have dealt with this you know
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dealt with this you know
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dealt with this you know um and for me to put on top of that just
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um and for me to put on top of that just
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um and for me to put on top of that just to kind of give you a little
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to kind of give you a little
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to kind of give you a little hint of what i'll talk about is you know
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hint of what i'll talk about is you know
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hint of what i'll talk about is you know you know i get regular i was there this
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you know i get regular i was there this
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you know i get regular i was there this week i get regular acupuncture i get
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week i get regular acupuncture i get
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week i get regular acupuncture i get regular
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regular
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regular um uh appointments to my chiropractor to
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um uh appointments to my chiropractor to
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um uh appointments to my chiropractor to fix up my back and neck
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fix up my back and neck
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fix up my back and neck i do this on a regular basis because i
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i do this on a regular basis because i
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i do this on a regular basis because i want to stay
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want to stay
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want to stay as healthy as i can in the profession
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as healthy as i can in the profession
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as healthy as i can in the profession that i'm in
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that i'm in
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that i'm in yeah definitely i think we all love sit
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yeah definitely i think we all love sit
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yeah definitely i think we all love sit in front of skin for a really long time
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in front of skin for a really long time
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in front of skin for a really long time you have to sit at
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you have to sit at
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you have to sit at one place so it really disturbs our
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one place so it really disturbs our
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one place so it really disturbs our health one problem that i'm facing these
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health one problem that i'm facing these
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health one problem that i'm facing these days is my eyes get really dry looking
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days is my eyes get really dry looking
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days is my eyes get really dry looking at those screens
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at those screens
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at those screens morning tonight right and you know we do
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morning tonight right and you know we do
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morning tonight right and you know we do virtual conferences almost like
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virtual conferences almost like
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virtual conferences almost like 12 hours or 13 hours you know right it's
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12 hours or 13 hours you know right it's
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12 hours or 13 hours you know right it's almost like three or four at
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almost like three or four at
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almost like three or four at my place are definitely uh uh that is uh
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my place are definitely uh uh that is uh
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my place are definitely uh uh that is uh you gotta get those
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you gotta get those
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you gotta get those gotta get those eye drops yeah
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gotta get those eye drops yeah
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gotta get those eye drops yeah definitely
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definitely
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definitely going to medical places real risky these
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going to medical places real risky these
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going to medical places real risky these days we have uh
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days we have uh
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days we have uh and i think we have a guest joining us
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and i think we have a guest joining us
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and i think we have a guest joining us right now
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right now
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right now and i'll bring him in hi mahesh how are
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and i'll bring him in hi mahesh how are
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and i'll bring him in hi mahesh how are you doing today you're muted
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you doing today you're muted
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you doing today you're muted you are muted oh you're muted mike you
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you are muted oh you're muted mike you
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you are muted oh you're muted mike you can't hear me you're muted
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can't hear me you're muted
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can't hear me you're muted we cannot say you're beautiful check
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we cannot say you're beautiful check
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we cannot say you're beautiful check your mute okay perfect
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your mute okay perfect
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your mute okay perfect what's going on did you just get out of
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what's going on did you just get out of
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what's going on did you just get out of bed
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bed
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bed yeah i wasn't really going to live i
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yeah i wasn't really going to live i
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yeah i wasn't really going to live i didn't get out of the way i've been
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didn't get out of the way i've been
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didn't get out of the way i've been working all day
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working all day
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working all day this morning but i wasn't supposed to go
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this morning but i wasn't supposed to go
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this morning but i wasn't supposed to go live this one just for
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live this one just for
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live this one just for you guys put me on the spot
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you guys put me on the spot
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you guys put me on the spot yo well i think you're definitely a
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yo well i think you're definitely a
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yo well i think you're definitely a better place than david is
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better place than david is
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better place than david is at his place it's like 8 30 now or maybe
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at his place it's like 8 30 now or maybe
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at his place it's like 8 30 now or maybe yeah
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yeah
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yeah yes no i've been this is my third this
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yes no i've been this is my third this
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yes no i've been this is my third this is my third tea by the way
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is my third tea by the way
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is my third tea by the way um so i'm awake i've been working since
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um so i'm awake i've been working since
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um so i'm awake i've been working since you know seven a.m here's my third cup
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you know seven a.m here's my third cup
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you know seven a.m here's my third cup of coffee
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of coffee
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of coffee nice nice nice everyone yes
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nice nice nice everyone yes
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nice nice nice everyone yes so tomorrow i think what we are going to
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so tomorrow i think what we are going to
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so tomorrow i think what we are going to do is uh
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do is uh
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do is uh we are starting a series it's going to
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we are starting a series it's going to
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we are starting a series it's going to be a weekly series every week
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be a weekly series every week
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be a weekly series every week we are going to have one hour just focus
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we are going to have one hour just focus
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we are going to have one hour just focus around
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around
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around you know software developers health
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you know software developers health
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you know software developers health motivation
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motivation
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motivation and you know you know how to get you
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and you know you know how to get you
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and you know you know how to get you know energetic again in these days
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know energetic again in these days
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know energetic again in these days especially in kobe
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especially in kobe
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especially in kobe kobe 19 you know things are pretty
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kobe 19 you know things are pretty
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kobe 19 you know things are pretty bad bad in the sense especially for us
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bad bad in the sense especially for us
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bad bad in the sense especially for us developers and people who are you know
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developers and people who are you know
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developers and people who are you know they go to events they go to meet up
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they go to events they go to meet up
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they go to events they go to meet up they meet and you know talk to friends
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they meet and you know talk to friends
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they meet and you know talk to friends and
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and
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and you know go out there and
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you know go out there and
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you know go out there and so our goal is really as a software
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so our goal is really as a software
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so our goal is really as a software developer recorder or anybody who sits a
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developer recorder or anybody who sits a
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developer recorder or anybody who sits a lot in the chair
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lot in the chair
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lot in the chair how do you get to the stage where you
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how do you get to the stage where you
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how do you get to the stage where you know you don't feel like your back hurts
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know you don't feel like your back hurts
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know you don't feel like your back hurts your neck hurts
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your neck hurts
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your neck hurts what are the different tips and other
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what are the different tips and other
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what are the different tips and other things you can do
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things you can do
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things you can do and just focus around those and
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and just focus around those and
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and just focus around those and obviously people can ask questions
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yeah and i think what happy device have
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yeah and i think what happy device have
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yeah and i think what happy device have we decided any
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we decided any
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we decided any but particular date for it like it might
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but particular date for it like it might
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but particular date for it like it might as we do amas on every thursday we do
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as we do amas on every thursday we do
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as we do amas on every thursday we do when we feature
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when we feature
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when we feature every wednesday and you come up with any
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every wednesday and you come up with any
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every wednesday and you come up with any time that could be on this particular
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time that could be on this particular
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time that could be on this particular day
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day
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day yeah so this health thing we are gonna
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yeah so this health thing we are gonna
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yeah so this health thing we are gonna focus on
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focus on
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focus on fridays okay every friday we're gonna
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fridays okay every friday we're gonna
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fridays okay every friday we're gonna focus on that
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focus on that
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focus on that and then on sunday we're gonna announce
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and then on sunday we're gonna announce
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and then on sunday we're gonna announce another series not this month probably
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another series not this month probably
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another series not this month probably next month on growth mindset
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next month on growth mindset
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next month on growth mindset so that just focused around growth
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so that just focused around growth
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so that just focused around growth mindset and um group
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mindset and um group
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mindset and um group i've been you know working with the mind
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i've been you know working with the mind
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i've been you know working with the mind and researching and all that for
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and researching and all that for
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and researching and all that for a long time and that will be all about
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a long time and that will be all about
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a long time and that will be all about thinking about
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thinking about
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thinking about growth either growth in personal life
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growth either growth in personal life
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growth either growth in personal life professional life
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professional life
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professional life business consulting anything around that
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business consulting anything around that
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business consulting anything around that so those are the two
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so those are the two
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so those are the two two things coming up and i think on
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two things coming up and i think on
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two things coming up and i think on fridays uh for the health we will start
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fridays uh for the health we will start
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fridays uh for the health we will start david and i will start
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david and i will start
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david and i will start but depending on the day you know week
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but depending on the day you know week
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but depending on the day you know week to week we may have different guests
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to week we may have different guests
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to week we may have different guests coming on different you know
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coming on different you know
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coming on different you know um topics for example i think friday we
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um topics for example i think friday we
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um topics for example i think friday we will see if chris love can join us
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will see if chris love can join us
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will see if chris love can join us because he has done a tremendous job
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because he has done a tremendous job
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because he has done a tremendous job you know building and i seen him i don't
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you know building and i seen him i don't
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you know building and i seen him i don't know david if you saw him a few years
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know david if you saw him a few years
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know david if you saw him a few years back
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back
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back and compared to now so
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and compared to now so
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and compared to now so we know he's yeah he's in different
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we know he's yeah he's in different
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we know he's yeah he's in different shape he's a different mindset
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shape he's a different mindset
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shape he's a different mindset well you know i don't look like i used
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well you know i don't look like i used
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well you know i don't look like i used to you know i've lost
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to you know i've lost
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to you know i've lost uh you know i've lost uh over 120 pounds
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uh you know i've lost uh over 120 pounds
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uh you know i've lost uh over 120 pounds you know in the past eight years yes yes
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you know in the past eight years yes yes
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you know in the past eight years yes yes which is part of part
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which is part of part
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which is part of part is which is part of you know me getting
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is which is part of you know me getting
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is which is part of you know me getting more healthy right
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more healthy right
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more healthy right and i just weighed myself this morning
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and i just weighed myself this morning
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and i just weighed myself this morning and and somehow i
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and and somehow i
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and and somehow i don't know how this has happened but
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don't know how this has happened but
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don't know how this has happened but i've lost 12 pounds during the pandemic
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i've lost 12 pounds during the pandemic
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i've lost 12 pounds during the pandemic i don't know what's going on
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i don't know what's going on
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i don't know what's going on but yeah i'm at home more and i've
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but yeah i'm at home more and i've
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but yeah i'm at home more and i've lost weight i don't get it
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lost weight i don't get it
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lost weight i don't get it no listen we need to just share these
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no listen we need to just share these
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no listen we need to just share these tips because
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tips because
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tips because a lot of guys can you know again she's
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a lot of guys can you know again she's
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a lot of guys can you know again she's always
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always
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always open it's like open source we also need
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open it's like open source we also need
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open it's like open source we also need to share our health you know
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to share our health you know
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to share our health you know whatever tips and tricks we have working
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whatever tips and tricks we have working
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whatever tips and tricks we have working for so long so many years right
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for so long so many years right
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for so long so many years right especially developers you know majority
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especially developers you know majority
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especially developers you know majority of developers we like it or not are not
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of developers we like it or not are not
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of developers we like it or not are not good healthy people they just don't
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good healthy people they just don't
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good healthy people they just don't focus on health physical health right
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focus on health physical health right
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focus on health physical health right because and one of the obvious reason is
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because and one of the obvious reason is
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because and one of the obvious reason is we write code and we love it so much
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we write code and we love it so much
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we write code and we love it so much that we forget how many hours we've been
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that we forget how many hours we've been
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that we forget how many hours we've been sitting
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sitting
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sitting until we are like you know 40 50 years
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until we are like you know 40 50 years
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until we are like you know 40 50 years old and then everything starts hurting
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um one thing i want to talk um i think i
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um one thing i want to talk um i think i
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um one thing i want to talk um i think i want to add to you guys
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want to add to you guys
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want to add to you guys today's show by the way great show on
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today's show by the way great show on
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today's show by the way great show on open source
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open source
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open source one thing really i want to you know
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one thing really i want to you know
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one thing really i want to you know you know focus on especially if you're a
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you know focus on especially if you're a
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you know focus on especially if you're a young guy you are starting open source
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young guy you are starting open source
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young guy you are starting open source with
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with
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with repo on github or wherever don't just
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repo on github or wherever don't just
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repo on github or wherever don't just create because
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create because
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create because everybody is creating open source
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everybody is creating open source
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everybody is creating open source projects you have to have a purpose
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projects you have to have a purpose
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projects you have to have a purpose okay don't just create junk like
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okay don't just create junk like
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okay don't just create junk like these days everybody should like yeah
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these days everybody should like yeah
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these days everybody should like yeah let me go put a rap on guitar
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let me go put a rap on guitar
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let me go put a rap on guitar it's just so much clutter out there man
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it's just so much clutter out there man
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it's just so much clutter out there man we are making a mess
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we are making a mess
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we are making a mess and that defeats the purpose of
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and that defeats the purpose of
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and that defeats the purpose of productivity right
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productivity right
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productivity right right so if you have a purpose you have
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right so if you have a purpose you have
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right so if you have a purpose you have a plan you like
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a plan you like
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a plan you like some project you're passionate about and
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some project you're passionate about and
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some project you're passionate about and you can really put in time and years and
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you can really put in time and years and
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you can really put in time and years and that
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that
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that to keep maintaining not just building it
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to keep maintaining not just building it
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to keep maintaining not just building it maintaining it and
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maintaining it and
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maintaining it and and explaining it and fixing it and
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and explaining it and fixing it and
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and explaining it and fixing it and commenting it
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commenting it
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commenting it then only you go and start your open
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then only you go and start your open
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then only you go and start your open source repo otherwise don't do it
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source repo otherwise don't do it
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source repo otherwise don't do it yeah and another another good tip that i
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yeah and another another good tip that i
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yeah and another another good tip that i did
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did
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did you know this year was um you know and i
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you know this year was um you know and i
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you know this year was um you know and i because i saw somebody say this on
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because i saw somebody say this on
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because i saw somebody say this on twitter or something is that
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twitter or something is that
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twitter or something is that you know when you're done with a
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you know when you're done with a
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you know when you're done with a repository then mark it archived
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repository then mark it archived
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repository then mark it archived right because that signals to people
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right because that signals to people
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right because that signals to people that yeah we're not working on this
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that yeah we're not working on this
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that yeah we're not working on this anymore
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anymore
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anymore don't bug us you know it's archived do
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don't bug us you know it's archived do
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don't bug us you know it's archived do what you want with it and that's what i
1:10:04
what you want with it and that's what i
1:10:04
what you want with it and that's what i did with my
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did with my
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did with my open source done at framework code was
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open source done at framework code was
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open source done at framework code was archive it
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archive it
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archive it you know to signal to people i'm not
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you know to signal to people i'm not
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you know to signal to people i'm not working on this
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working on this
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working on this you should maybe go look at the other
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you should maybe go look at the other
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you should maybe go look at the other one yeah otherwise people
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one yeah otherwise people
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one yeah otherwise people ask questions hey when is this getting
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ask questions hey when is this getting
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ask questions hey when is this getting updated when is new update coming i
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updated when is new update coming i
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updated when is new update coming i definitely you should definitely
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definitely you should definitely
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definitely you should definitely indicate if your repo is done and you're
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indicate if your repo is done and you're
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indicate if your repo is done and you're not
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not
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not actively working on it so people know
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actively working on it so people know
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actively working on it so people know about it
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one of the things i look at is you know
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one of the things i look at is you know
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one of the things i look at is you know i always look at the last time
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i always look at the last time
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i always look at the last time they checked anything in you know and uh
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they checked anything in you know and uh
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they checked anything in you know and uh if it was two years ago then kind of
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if it was two years ago then kind of
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if it was two years ago then kind of signals
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signals
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signals probably nobody's working on it it's a
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probably nobody's working on it it's a
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probably nobody's working on it it's a lost orphan
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lost orphan
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lost orphan i think what github should do is um i
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i think what github should do is um i
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i think what github should do is um i don't know if they already have it
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don't know if they already have it
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don't know if they already have it on they should have an orphan feature so
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on they should have an orphan feature so
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on they should have an orphan feature so they should automatically mark
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they should automatically mark
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they should automatically mark a repo as orphan and can archive it if
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a repo as orphan and can archive it if
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a repo as orphan and can archive it if it has not been active for so long
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it has not been active for so long
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it has not been active for so long yeah i agree yeah so get help if you're
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yeah i agree yeah so get help if you're
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yeah i agree yeah so get help if you're listening
1:11:07
listening
1:11:07
listening for you yeah this feature is for you yes
1:11:10
for you yeah this feature is for you yes
1:11:10
for you yeah this feature is for you yes yeah i mean this is a feature that we do
1:11:12
yeah i mean this is a feature that we do
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yeah i mean this is a feature that we do have in forums if a discussion is uh not
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have in forums if a discussion is uh not
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have in forums if a discussion is uh not active for a very long time it gets
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active for a very long time it gets
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active for a very long time it gets closed automatically
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closed automatically
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closed automatically that's so yeah you have in forums that
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that's so yeah you have in forums that
1:11:19
that's so yeah you have in forums that maybe yeah this is a good feature
1:11:20
maybe yeah this is a good feature
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maybe yeah this is a good feature and and i would definitely i agree that
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and and i would definitely i agree that
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and and i would definitely i agree that you said that people would just go and
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you said that people would just go and
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you said that people would just go and commit it
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commit it
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commit it just to have those green dots on there
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just to have those green dots on there
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just to have those green dots on there on their profile
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on their profile
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on their profile right to fill it up green so yeah people
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right to fill it up green so yeah people
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right to fill it up green so yeah people often do it
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often do it
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often do it yeah yeah remember it's not about the
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yeah yeah remember it's not about the
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yeah yeah remember it's not about the race it's not about the quantity don't
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race it's not about the quantity don't
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race it's not about the quantity don't become
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become
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become like a sheep right you gotta become a
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like a sheep right you gotta become a
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like a sheep right you gotta become a lion
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lion
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lion and don't follow it what everybody's
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and don't follow it what everybody's
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and don't follow it what everybody's doing well you know that's
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doing well you know that's
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doing well you know that's you know that's what i recommend you
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you know that's what i recommend you
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you know that's what i recommend you know when i talk to junior developers
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know when i talk to junior developers
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know when i talk to junior developers you know about um an idea they might
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you know about um an idea they might
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you know about um an idea they might have
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have
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have or they're thinking about or something
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or they're thinking about or something
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or they're thinking about or something you know you know one of the things i
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you know you know one of the things i
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you know you know one of the things i always
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always
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always say because this is what i do right is
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say because this is what i do right is
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say because this is what i do right is if
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if
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if you know i say before you sit down and
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you know i say before you sit down and
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you know i say before you sit down and start
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start
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start coding that see if someone else has done
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coding that see if someone else has done
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coding that see if someone else has done it already
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it already
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it already right because what what's the point of
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right because what what's the point of
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right because what what's the point of just redoing what someone else has done
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just redoing what someone else has done
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just redoing what someone else has done right correct right so do something new
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right correct right so do something new
1:12:16
right correct right so do something new and different
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and different
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and different right because that's what's going to get
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right because that's what's going to get
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right because that's what's going to get you noticed and
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you noticed and
1:12:21
you noticed and take some time and think about it but
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take some time and think about it but
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take some time and think about it but research first
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research first
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research first like i'll i'll give you an example that
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like i'll i'll give you an example that
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like i'll i'll give you an example that happened to me
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happened to me
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happened to me a week or so ago right so a couple weeks
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a week or so ago right so a couple weeks
1:12:31
a week or so ago right so a couple weeks ago
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ago
1:12:31
ago i came up with the project i wanted to
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i came up with the project i wanted to
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i came up with the project i wanted to do based on something new that i've
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do based on something new that i've
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do based on something new that i've added
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added
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added to my open source project and it's about
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to my open source project and it's about
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to my open source project and it's about documenting your
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documenting your
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documenting your assemblies right and making a
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assemblies right and making a
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assemblies right and making a markdown document for your assemblies
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markdown document for your assemblies
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markdown document for your assemblies right and that's why i was talking
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right and that's why i was talking
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right and that's why i was talking earlier about i was talking to the team
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earlier about i was talking to the team
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earlier about i was talking to the team at microsoft who does that for
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at microsoft who does that for
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at microsoft who does that for docs.microsoft.com right
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docs.microsoft.com right
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docs.microsoft.com right because i was searching for something
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because i was searching for something
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because i was searching for something that would document my assemblies
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that would document my assemblies
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that would document my assemblies you know all the comments and stuff like
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you know all the comments and stuff like
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you know all the comments and stuff like that and so i could put it on my
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that and so i could put it on my
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that and so i could put it on my repository right
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repository right
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repository right so i talked to another developer
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so i talked to another developer
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so i talked to another developer you know she was interested in helping
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you know she was interested in helping
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you know she was interested in helping me with this project but
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me with this project but
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me with this project but again like everything else i do i said
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again like everything else i do i said
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again like everything else i do i said well maybe someone's done this already
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well maybe someone's done this already
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well maybe someone's done this already right and so i searched and i found out
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right and so i searched and i found out
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right and so i searched and i found out that there's at least
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that there's at least
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that there's at least three packages that could work right
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three packages that could work right
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three packages that could work right um i mean three tools that could work
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um i mean three tools that could work
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um i mean three tools that could work one for microsoft
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one for microsoft
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one for microsoft right and and the one i decided i like
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right and and the one i decided i like
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right and and the one i decided i like the best
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the best
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the best um basically does what i wanted to do
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um basically does what i wanted to do
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um basically does what i wanted to do and i go okay then why should i write it
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and i go okay then why should i write it
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and i go okay then why should i write it if someone else has already done it
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if someone else has already done it
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if someone else has already done it you know yeah and the chances are if
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you know yeah and the chances are if
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you know yeah and the chances are if it's a common problem
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it's a common problem
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it's a common problem it's not a unique problem you're working
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it's not a unique problem you're working
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it's not a unique problem you're working on it's probably already done
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on it's probably already done
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on it's probably already done right right yeah so that's where i agree
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right right yeah so that's where i agree
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right right yeah so that's where i agree with you
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with you
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with you if you're trying to create your own new
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if you're trying to create your own new
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if you're trying to create your own new repo unless you solve
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repo unless you solve
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repo unless you solve some problem and you know you it's a
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some problem and you know you it's a
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some problem and you know you it's a unique way and you found it first time
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unique way and you found it first time
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unique way and you found it first time then otherwise
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then otherwise
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then otherwise it doesn't make sense to you know
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it doesn't make sense to you know
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it doesn't make sense to you know rewrite and that's what developers we do
1:14:04
rewrite and that's what developers we do
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rewrite and that's what developers we do is
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is
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is oh mine is better than yours oh my way
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oh mine is better than yours oh my way
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oh mine is better than yours oh my way is better than you
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is better than you
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is better than you so yeah i agree with that yeah and i
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so yeah i agree with that yeah and i
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so yeah i agree with that yeah and i have another project i'm actively
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have another project i'm actively
1:14:13
have another project i'm actively working on right now
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working on right now
1:14:15
working on right now and the same thing you know i invited
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and the same thing you know i invited
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and the same thing you know i invited the junior developer on my team to help
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the junior developer on my team to help
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the junior developer on my team to help me with this because it's a side project
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me with this because it's a side project
1:14:20
me with this because it's a side project it's not a work project and you know one
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it's not a work project and you know one
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it's not a work project and you know one of the things
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of the things
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of the things the first thing i tasked her with was
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the first thing i tasked her with was
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the first thing i tasked her with was taking a week or so and researching if
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taking a week or so and researching if
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taking a week or so and researching if someone else has already done this
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someone else has already done this
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someone else has already done this because this is going to be a web app in
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because this is going to be a web app in
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because this is going to be a web app in the mobile app right
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the mobile app right
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the mobile app right it's not a repository right and i said
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it's not a repository right and i said
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it's not a repository right and i said go search i'm going to go search so we
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go search i'm going to go search so we
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go search i'm going to go search so we spent like a week or two searching and
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spent like a week or two searching and
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spent like a week or two searching and seeing someone else has done
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seeing someone else has done
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seeing someone else has done what i came up with and we couldn't find
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what i came up with and we couldn't find
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what i came up with and we couldn't find it we couldn't find anybody
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it we couldn't find anybody
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it we couldn't find anybody so that's why that project is on you
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so that's why that project is on you
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so that's why that project is on you know my radar
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know my radar
1:14:52
know my radar you know no that's great and you know
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you know no that's great and you know
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you know no that's great and you know this is good you brought that
1:14:56
this is good you brought that
1:14:56
this is good you brought that to my you know to this discussion here
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to my you know to this discussion here
1:14:59
to my you know to this discussion here is that
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is that
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is that you know we have forums on c sharp
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you know we have forums on c sharp
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you know we have forums on c sharp corner and i
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corner and i
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corner and i don't you know i searched we also have
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don't you know i searched we also have
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don't you know i searched we also have so many new forum open source out there
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so many new forum open source out there
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so many new forum open source out there there's nothing out there which really
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there's nothing out there which really
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there's nothing out there which really say yeah this is cool this is awesome
1:15:12
say yeah this is cool this is awesome
1:15:12
say yeah this is cool this is awesome so we want to do is start an open source
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so we want to do is start an open source
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so we want to do is start an open source project
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project
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project you know just on those forum discussions
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you know just on those forum discussions
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you know just on those forum discussions something really cool something very
1:15:20
something really cool something very
1:15:20
something really cool something very innovative
1:15:21
innovative
1:15:21
innovative something has rewards integrated in it
1:15:24
something has rewards integrated in it
1:15:24
something has rewards integrated in it and you know all those cool features
1:15:26
and you know all those cool features
1:15:26
and you know all those cool features so maybe once you're done with this
1:15:28
so maybe once you're done with this
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so maybe once you're done with this project that's the one we start next and
1:15:30
project that's the one we start next and
1:15:30
project that's the one we start next and let everybody jump in and do the work
1:15:33
let everybody jump in and do the work
1:15:33
let everybody jump in and do the work everybody can join in learn from it
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everybody can join in learn from it
1:15:35
everybody can join in learn from it and then it becomes available to
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and then it becomes available to
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and then it becomes available to everybody yeah
1:15:38
everybody yeah
1:15:38
everybody yeah yeah and you know so you know the the
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yeah and you know so you know the the
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yeah and you know so you know the the girl on my team
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girl on my team
1:15:42
girl on my team she's um about to start a master's class
1:15:45
she's um about to start a master's class
1:15:45
she's um about to start a master's class so she told me the other day
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so she told me the other day
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so she told me the other day you know that i probably won't have a
1:15:49
you know that i probably won't have a
1:15:49
you know that i probably won't have a lot of time to work on this project
1:15:50
lot of time to work on this project
1:15:50
lot of time to work on this project anymore i go
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anymore i go
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anymore i go okay so i thought of i the first person
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okay so i thought of i the first person
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okay so i thought of i the first person i thought of was one of
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i thought of was one of
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i thought of was one of the best students i ever had at the
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the best students i ever had at the
1:15:58
the best students i ever had at the university here
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university here
1:15:59
university here and because he's really good at xamarin
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and because he's really good at xamarin
1:16:02
and because he's really good at xamarin right
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right
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right and there's going to be a mobile piece
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and there's going to be a mobile piece
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and there's going to be a mobile piece to this so i contacted him i go hey
1:16:07
to this so i contacted him i go hey
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to this so i contacted him i go hey do you want to help with the project you
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do you want to help with the project you
1:16:08
do you want to help with the project you know yeah so you know
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know yeah so you know
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know yeah so you know um and and i know we've talked about
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um and and i know we've talked about
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um and and i know we've talked about this before but this is where networking
1:16:15
this before but this is where networking
1:16:15
this before but this is where networking and getting to know people really helps
1:16:16
and getting to know people really helps
1:16:16
and getting to know people really helps because then
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because then
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because then i can reach out to people that i know
1:16:19
i can reach out to people that i know
1:16:19
i can reach out to people that i know that are good at certain areas to help
1:16:21
that are good at certain areas to help
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that are good at certain areas to help you know or ask questions to right yep
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you know or ask questions to right yep
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you know or ask questions to right yep yep
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yep
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yep agree
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all right
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oh someone asked do you want me to
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oh someone asked do you want me to
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oh someone asked do you want me to address the
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address the
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address the question about my podcast yeah
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question about my podcast yeah
1:16:39
question about my podcast yeah yeah yeah so
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yeah yeah so
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yeah yeah so you know last year or for about a year
1:16:45
you know last year or for about a year
1:16:45
you know last year or for about a year exactly a year we i had a podcast with
1:16:47
exactly a year we i had a podcast with
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exactly a year we i had a podcast with my best
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my best
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my best friend uh woody pewt and um
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friend uh woody pewt and um
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friend uh woody pewt and um you know the podcast actually came from
1:16:54
you know the podcast actually came from
1:16:54
you know the podcast actually came from my most popular article in c-sharp
1:16:56
my most popular article in c-sharp
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my most popular article in c-sharp corner
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corner
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corner and um that article is called
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and um that article is called
1:17:02
and um that article is called confessions of an angry programmer
1:17:06
it's still one of my the top article in
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it's still one of my the top article in
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it's still one of my the top article in the c-sharp corner
1:17:10
the c-sharp corner
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the c-sharp corner and there's no code in it it's not even
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and there's no code in it it's not even
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and there's no code in it it's not even code right
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code right
1:17:13
code right and um so since that became
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and um so since that became
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and um so since that became the top article and
1:17:20
the top article and
1:17:20
the top article and i was looking around for doing maybe
1:17:22
i was looking around for doing maybe
1:17:22
i was looking around for doing maybe starting a podcast
1:17:24
starting a podcast
1:17:24
starting a podcast you know i looked on c sharp corner and
1:17:26
you know i looked on c sharp corner and
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you know i looked on c sharp corner and that was top and i go
1:17:27
that was top and i go
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that was top and i go well maybe i should do one you know
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well maybe i should do one you know
1:17:29
well maybe i should do one you know based on this article
1:17:31
based on this article
1:17:31
based on this article you know so um the first person i
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you know so um the first person i
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you know so um the first person i thought of was my best friend here in
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thought of was my best friend here in
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thought of was my best friend here in san diego uh woody pewt and uh so we
1:17:38
san diego uh woody pewt and uh so we
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san diego uh woody pewt and uh so we started his podcast called
1:17:40
started his podcast called
1:17:40
started his podcast called um the angry programmers podcast right
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um the angry programmers podcast right
1:17:44
um the angry programmers podcast right and um and and and it wasn't about being
1:17:47
and um and and and it wasn't about being
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and um and and and it wasn't about being angry it was just
1:17:49
angry it was just
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angry it was just to me it really is about being
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to me it really is about being
1:17:51
to me it really is about being passionate right
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passionate right
1:17:53
passionate right um but because i used that one seasonal
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um but because i used that one seasonal
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um but because i used that one seasonal corner and everybody
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corner and everybody
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corner and everybody liked it i put that word in the podcast
1:18:00
liked it i put that word in the podcast
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liked it i put that word in the podcast right and um unfortunately
1:18:03
right and um unfortunately
1:18:03
right and um unfortunately it turned off a lot of people you know
1:18:08
so they wouldn't even listen to the
1:18:10
so they wouldn't even listen to the
1:18:10
so they wouldn't even listen to the podcast because of the name
1:18:12
podcast because of the name
1:18:12
podcast because of the name you know and um and it wasn't great
1:18:15
you know and um and it wasn't great
1:18:15
you know and um and it wasn't great gaining a lot of traction on itunes and
1:18:17
gaining a lot of traction on itunes and
1:18:17
gaining a lot of traction on itunes and stuff like that
1:18:18
stuff like that
1:18:18
stuff like that um i really liked it you know because
1:18:21
um i really liked it you know because
1:18:21
um i really liked it you know because you know we were able to talk to
1:18:22
you know we were able to talk to
1:18:22
you know we were able to talk to developers you know
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developers you know
1:18:24
developers you know big developers even uh uh ted neuer
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big developers even uh uh ted neuer
1:18:27
big developers even uh uh ted neuer you know one of the most popular uh
1:18:30
you know one of the most popular uh
1:18:30
you know one of the most popular uh guests we had you know
1:18:31
guests we had you know
1:18:31
guests we had you know and uh you know we talked to some pretty
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and uh you know we talked to some pretty
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and uh you know we talked to some pretty big names in our industry
1:18:36
big names in our industry
1:18:36
big names in our industry and um and those and those podcasts went
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and um and those and those podcasts went
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and um and those and those podcasts went well but
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well but
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well but you know it's just the word turned
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you know it's just the word turned
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you know it's just the word turned everybody off and then you know woody
1:18:44
everybody off and then you know woody
1:18:44
everybody off and then you know woody and i sat around last year trying to
1:18:45
and i sat around last year trying to
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and i sat around last year trying to come up with a new
1:18:47
come up with a new
1:18:47
come up with a new title and we couldn't come up with one
1:18:49
title and we couldn't come up with one
1:18:49
title and we couldn't come up with one and so we just
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and so we just
1:18:51
and so we just let it go so if everybody has a new
1:18:53
let it go so if everybody has a new
1:18:53
let it go so if everybody has a new title
1:18:54
title
1:18:54
title that would work better than the angry
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that would work better than the angry
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that would work better than the angry programmers podcast let me know
1:18:57
programmers podcast let me know
1:18:57
programmers podcast let me know maybe you want to do heavy programmers
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maybe you want to do heavy programmers
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maybe you want to do heavy programmers vodka
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vodka
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vodka but i wanted i i personally like the
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but i wanted i i personally like the
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but i wanted i i personally like the name because i wanted
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name because i wanted
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name because i wanted it to grab people's attention right yeah
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it to grab people's attention right yeah
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it to grab people's attention right yeah definitely it's a catchy it's a catchy
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definitely it's a catchy it's a catchy
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definitely it's a catchy it's a catchy name
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name
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name i think it's totally catchy you know but
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i think it's totally catchy you know but
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i think it's totally catchy you know but other people didn't so
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other people didn't so
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other people didn't so yeah oh well including
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yeah oh well including
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yeah oh well including trying to get guests trying to get guess
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trying to get guests trying to get guess
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trying to get guests trying to get guess was a problem too because of the name
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was a problem too because of the name
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was a problem too because of the name that that that could create a problem
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that that that could create a problem
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that that that could create a problem right so if you
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right so if you
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right so if you say hey come on angry program or spot
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say hey come on angry program or spot
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say hey come on angry program or spot cause i'm like well i'm not really angry
1:19:32
cause i'm like well i'm not really angry
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cause i'm like well i'm not really angry right i'm like you know
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right i'm like you know
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right i'm like you know i'm doing my yoga
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i'm doing my yoga
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i'm doing my yoga so that would be a i understand but like
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so that would be a i understand but like
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so that would be a i understand but like you send email to somebody hey
1:19:41
you send email to somebody hey
1:19:41
you send email to somebody hey we have a podcast and it's titled angry
1:19:44
we have a podcast and it's titled angry
1:19:44
we have a podcast and it's titled angry queen like well
1:19:45
queen like well
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queen like well i am not really angry that's how people
1:19:47
i am not really angry that's how people
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i am not really angry that's how people think you know oh no
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think you know oh no
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think you know oh no nothing to do with angry when i would
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nothing to do with angry when i would
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nothing to do with angry when i would reach out to new guests
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reach out to new guests
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reach out to new guests to new possible guests i would kind of
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to new possible guests i would kind of
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to new possible guests i would kind of explain that in the email
1:19:58
explain that in the email
1:19:58
explain that in the email you know once i started hearing this you
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you know once i started hearing this you
1:20:00
you know once i started hearing this you know then i started doing a little
1:20:02
know then i started doing a little
1:20:02
know then i started doing a little better
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better
1:20:03
better uh intro to the podcast for guests you
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uh intro to the podcast for guests you
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uh intro to the podcast for guests you know
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know
1:20:06
know um because you know we were never angry
1:20:09
um because you know we were never angry
1:20:09
um because you know we were never angry on the podcast you know we just talked
1:20:11
on the podcast you know we just talked
1:20:11
on the podcast you know we just talked about stuff we're really passionate
1:20:13
about stuff we're really passionate
1:20:13
about stuff we're really passionate about
1:20:14
about
1:20:14
about you know and uh that we really believe
1:20:16
you know and uh that we really believe
1:20:16
you know and uh that we really believe in right yeah
1:20:18
in right yeah
1:20:18
in right yeah yeah so you know what it'll be cool is
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yeah so you know what it'll be cool is
1:20:20
yeah so you know what it'll be cool is that
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that
1:20:21
that we have a one show where we bring like a
1:20:24
we have a one show where we bring like a
1:20:24
we have a one show where we bring like a few people a few guests and just talk
1:20:27
few people a few guests and just talk
1:20:27
few people a few guests and just talk about like a github what is like
1:20:29
about like a github what is like
1:20:29
about like a github what is like how to make it even better like like i
1:20:31
how to make it even better like like i
1:20:31
how to make it even better like like i know a few things we just find out a few
1:20:32
know a few things we just find out a few
1:20:32
know a few things we just find out a few things what they should be doing right
1:20:35
things what they should be doing right
1:20:35
things what they should be doing right so we take that and then that video we
1:20:37
so we take that and then that video we
1:20:37
so we take that and then that video we send it to microsoft and guitar team
1:20:40
send it to microsoft and guitar team
1:20:40
send it to microsoft and guitar team yeah and and actually you know our
1:20:42
yeah and and actually you know our
1:20:42
yeah and and actually you know our podcast
1:20:44
podcast
1:20:44
podcast i mean like i listened to one the other
1:20:46
i mean like i listened to one the other
1:20:46
i mean like i listened to one the other day
1:20:47
day
1:20:47
day and you know especially being a
1:20:50
and you know especially being a
1:20:50
and you know especially being a developer
1:20:51
developer
1:20:51
developer you know you can't really show code on a
1:20:53
you know you can't really show code on a
1:20:53
you know you can't really show code on a podcast right
1:20:54
podcast right
1:20:54
podcast right so it's it's really hard to talk about
1:20:57
so it's it's really hard to talk about
1:20:57
so it's it's really hard to talk about code on a podcast so that's why you know
1:21:00
code on a podcast so that's why you know
1:21:00
code on a podcast so that's why you know i dedicated it to talking about
1:21:01
i dedicated it to talking about
1:21:02
i dedicated it to talking about other things you know about being a
1:21:03
other things you know about being a
1:21:03
other things you know about being a developer or or
1:21:05
developer or or
1:21:05
developer or or uh getting started in the world or you
1:21:07
uh getting started in the world or you
1:21:07
uh getting started in the world or you know just these different things
1:21:09
know just these different things
1:21:09
know just these different things that don't specifically relate to code
1:21:12
that don't specifically relate to code
1:21:12
that don't specifically relate to code because you can't do that on a podcast
1:21:14
because you can't do that on a podcast
1:21:14
because you can't do that on a podcast so right and coding is more like yeah
1:21:17
so right and coding is more like yeah
1:21:17
so right and coding is more like yeah coding is more like
1:21:18
coding is more like
1:21:18
coding is more like okay show me the sample can i code the
1:21:21
okay show me the sample can i code the
1:21:21
okay show me the sample can i code the sample code can i copy the sample code
1:21:24
sample code can i copy the sample code
1:21:24
sample code can i copy the sample code or show me step by step right those are
1:21:26
or show me step by step right those are
1:21:26
or show me step by step right those are the things
1:21:27
the things
1:21:27
the things that people like well i don't want to
1:21:29
that people like well i don't want to
1:21:29
that people like well i don't want to sit through this one hour to you to you
1:21:31
sit through this one hour to you to you
1:21:31
sit through this one hour to you to you know
1:21:32
know
1:21:32
know um type myself like if i can copy and
1:21:35
um type myself like if i can copy and
1:21:35
um type myself like if i can copy and paste that's probably the fastest way
1:21:38
paste that's probably the fastest way
1:21:38
paste that's probably the fastest way that's why podcasts are are great you
1:21:41
that's why podcasts are are great you
1:21:41
that's why podcasts are are great you know when you're driving to work when we
1:21:43
know when you're driving to work when we
1:21:43
know when you're driving to work when we go back to work someday and you know
1:21:45
go back to work someday and you know
1:21:45
go back to work someday and you know stuff like that you know and and so it's
1:21:48
stuff like that you know and and so it's
1:21:48
stuff like that you know and and so it's that's why
1:21:48
that's why
1:21:48
that's why you know we had topics that you could
1:21:50
you know we had topics that you could
1:21:50
you know we had topics that you could just listen to
1:21:51
just listen to
1:21:52
just listen to you know because and this is one of my
1:21:54
you know because and this is one of my
1:21:54
you know because and this is one of my donna dave little graphics is that
1:21:56
donna dave little graphics is that
1:21:56
donna dave little graphics is that you know coding is actually the least
1:21:58
you know coding is actually the least
1:21:58
you know coding is actually the least part of our job
1:22:00
part of our job
1:22:00
part of our job yeah we're coders but to be a good coder
1:22:03
yeah we're coders but to be a good coder
1:22:03
yeah we're coders but to be a good coder you shouldn't be doing it eight hours a
1:22:05
you shouldn't be doing it eight hours a
1:22:05
you shouldn't be doing it eight hours a day
1:22:07
day
1:22:07
day yeah right and so there's lots of things
1:22:09
yeah right and so there's lots of things
1:22:09
yeah right and so there's lots of things like you know what we're going to talk
1:22:11
like you know what we're going to talk
1:22:11
like you know what we're going to talk about tomorrow about medical things
1:22:12
about tomorrow about medical things
1:22:12
about tomorrow about medical things right
1:22:13
right
1:22:13
right there's lots to think things about
1:22:15
there's lots to think things about
1:22:15
there's lots to think things about programming that
1:22:16
programming that
1:22:16
programming that aren't about the code right yeah yeah
1:22:19
aren't about the code right yeah yeah
1:22:19
aren't about the code right yeah yeah and then even the purpose you know when
1:22:22
and then even the purpose you know when
1:22:22
and then even the purpose you know when i talk to any coders
1:22:23
i talk to any coders
1:22:24
i talk to any coders programmers like um focus should be more
1:22:27
programmers like um focus should be more
1:22:27
programmers like um focus should be more on problem solving right
1:22:29
on problem solving right
1:22:29
on problem solving right it shouldn't be like how to write code
1:22:32
it shouldn't be like how to write code
1:22:32
it shouldn't be like how to write code anybody can write code right what is
1:22:33
anybody can write code right what is
1:22:33
anybody can write code right what is writing code
1:22:34
writing code
1:22:34
writing code okay microsoft or these guys other
1:22:37
okay microsoft or these guys other
1:22:37
okay microsoft or these guys other companies wrote these compilers these
1:22:38
companies wrote these compilers these
1:22:38
companies wrote these compilers these are the syntaxes
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are the syntaxes
1:22:40
are the syntaxes learn syntax and write and it'll do this
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learn syntax and write and it'll do this
1:22:42
learn syntax and write and it'll do this right that's coding right then
1:22:44
right that's coding right then
1:22:44
right that's coding right then how do you build that code turn that
1:22:46
how do you build that code turn that
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how do you build that code turn that code into a product into a solution
1:22:48
code into a product into a solution
1:22:48
code into a product into a solution right that's the key
1:22:49
right that's the key
1:22:49
right that's the key and how effectively you can do it
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and how effectively you can do it
1:22:52
and how effectively you can do it uh there you go you got a name looks
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uh there you go you got a name looks
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uh there you go you got a name looks like david has a name suggestion for you
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confessions of an angry pro oh he posted
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confessions of an angry pro oh he posted
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confessions of an angry pro oh he posted the article
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the article
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the article i don't see them
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[Laughter]
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[Laughter]
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[Laughter] there you go and put your head on and
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there you go and put your head on and
1:23:12
there you go and put your head on and you're all set
1:23:13
you're all set
1:23:14
you're all set i have some hats yeah there you go
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i have some hats yeah there you go
1:23:18
i have some hats yeah there you go hey uh while we're talking i want to
1:23:19
hey uh while we're talking i want to
1:23:19
hey uh while we're talking i want to announce something cool we just got
1:23:21
announce something cool we just got
1:23:22
announce something cool we just got these
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these
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these new wristbands and um i want to take
1:23:25
new wristbands and um i want to take
1:23:25
new wristbands and um i want to take this off and share this is a
1:23:27
this off and share this is a
1:23:27
this off and share this is a something we are testing out and see
1:23:28
something we are testing out and see
1:23:28
something we are testing out and see what people think this is a community
1:23:31
what people think this is a community
1:23:31
what people think this is a community wristband
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wristband
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wristband um it's available in the us only and it
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um it's available in the us only and it
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um it's available in the us only and it just
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just
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just basically has a community uh and it's a
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basically has a community uh and it's a
1:23:38
basically has a community uh and it's a three color basically c sharp corner
1:23:40
three color basically c sharp corner
1:23:40
three color basically c sharp corner colors and it just talks about community
1:23:44
colors and it just talks about community
1:23:44
colors and it just talks about community so i'm gonna ship that to you david and
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so i'm gonna ship that to you david and
1:23:47
so i'm gonna ship that to you david and your t-shirts
1:23:48
your t-shirts
1:23:48
your t-shirts um and your size what do you think extra
1:23:50
um and your size what do you think extra
1:23:50
um and your size what do you think extra large that's what it is
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large that's what it is
1:23:53
large that's what it is excel yeah so i'm gonna i have a bunch
1:23:55
excel yeah so i'm gonna i have a bunch
1:23:55
excel yeah so i'm gonna i have a bunch of packages ready already for some
1:23:57
of packages ready already for some
1:23:57
of packages ready already for some speakers
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speakers
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speakers um i'll be shipping some excel t-shirts
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um i'll be shipping some excel t-shirts
1:24:01
um i'll be shipping some excel t-shirts uh we got the cool t-shirts and they
1:24:03
uh we got the cool t-shirts and they
1:24:03
uh we got the cool t-shirts and they just to say
1:24:04
just to say
1:24:04
just to say come you know share inspire um pretty
1:24:07
come you know share inspire um pretty
1:24:07
come you know share inspire um pretty cool
1:24:08
cool
1:24:08
cool i'll ship you back one of my bumper
1:24:10
i'll ship you back one of my bumper
1:24:10
i'll ship you back one of my bumper stickers awesome
1:24:12
stickers awesome
1:24:12
stickers awesome awesome i should have one and hang in my
1:24:14
awesome i should have one and hang in my
1:24:14
awesome i should have one and hang in my bag yeah
1:24:17
bag yeah
1:24:17
bag yeah i've and i have some uh i have some
1:24:19
i've and i have some uh i have some
1:24:19
i've and i have some uh i have some magnets now
1:24:20
magnets now
1:24:20
magnets now yeah and then um yesterday i ordered
1:24:23
yeah and then um yesterday i ordered
1:24:23
yeah and then um yesterday i ordered lapel pins
1:24:25
lapel pins
1:24:25
lapel pins okay i mean i don't know what i'm gonna
1:24:27
okay i mean i don't know what i'm gonna
1:24:27
okay i mean i don't know what i'm gonna do with those but this sticker is pretty
1:24:29
do with those but this sticker is pretty
1:24:29
do with those but this sticker is pretty cool
1:24:30
cool
1:24:30
cool put on your collar when you talk yeah
1:24:33
put on your collar when you talk yeah
1:24:33
put on your collar when you talk yeah yeah this says rock your code
1:24:35
yeah this says rock your code
1:24:35
yeah this says rock your code okay yeah yeah cool
1:24:39
okay yeah yeah cool
1:24:39
okay yeah yeah cool sounds good
1:24:42
so anything else you guys want to chat
1:24:44
so anything else you guys want to chat
1:24:44
so anything else you guys want to chat about
1:24:45
about
1:24:45
about uh that's one question in the comments
1:24:47
uh that's one question in the comments
1:24:47
uh that's one question in the comments if you like guys like it's about.net
1:24:49
if you like guys like it's about.net
1:24:49
if you like guys like it's about.net and.net core how to get started and
1:24:51
and.net core how to get started and
1:24:51
and.net core how to get started and village survivor or something like that
1:24:54
village survivor or something like that
1:24:54
village survivor or something like that yeah so i mean i can jump on we both can
1:24:57
yeah so i mean i can jump on we both can
1:24:57
yeah so i mean i can jump on we both can jump on.net
1:24:58
jump on.net
1:24:58
jump on.net core is definitely a new exciting
1:25:02
core is definitely a new exciting
1:25:02
core is definitely a new exciting um product i think it's gonna definitely
1:25:04
um product i think it's gonna definitely
1:25:04
um product i think it's gonna definitely survive it's already
1:25:06
survive it's already
1:25:06
survive it's already gaining attention um a lot of companies
1:25:09
gaining attention um a lot of companies
1:25:09
gaining attention um a lot of companies actually i'm
1:25:10
actually i'm
1:25:10
actually i'm i'm working with at least two or three
1:25:12
i'm working with at least two or three
1:25:12
i'm working with at least two or three companies and we are actively building
1:25:14
companies and we are actively building
1:25:14
companies and we are actively building uh net core applications they are not
1:25:16
uh net core applications they are not
1:25:16
uh net core applications they are not web applications but we are
1:25:18
web applications but we are
1:25:18
web applications but we are building a lot of back end and apis
1:25:22
building a lot of back end and apis
1:25:22
building a lot of back end and apis so and again with blazer.net core
1:25:26
so and again with blazer.net core
1:25:26
so and again with blazer.net core definitely has
1:25:26
definitely has
1:25:27
definitely has future.net is also not going anywhere
1:25:29
future.net is also not going anywhere
1:25:29
future.net is also not going anywhere because there's so many applications
1:25:30
because there's so many applications
1:25:30
because there's so many applications built it's like
1:25:31
built it's like
1:25:31
built it's like you know so when people say oh what is
1:25:34
you know so when people say oh what is
1:25:34
you know so when people say oh what is the future
1:25:35
the future
1:25:35
the future all these all these products they will
1:25:38
all these all these products they will
1:25:38
all these all these products they will be in market for a long long time
1:25:41
be in market for a long long time
1:25:41
be in market for a long long time right it's just you have to be good at
1:25:43
right it's just you have to be good at
1:25:43
right it's just you have to be good at one of them you have to be expert in one
1:25:45
one of them you have to be expert in one
1:25:45
one of them you have to be expert in one of them
1:25:45
of them
1:25:46
of them even today this products are still being
1:25:48
even today this products are still being
1:25:48
even today this products are still being maintained in
1:25:49
maintained in
1:25:49
maintained in vb right when they're working fine
1:25:52
vb right when they're working fine
1:25:52
vb right when they're working fine there's nothing wrong with it
1:25:55
there's nothing wrong with it
1:25:55
there's nothing wrong with it forget.net yes exactly um
1:25:58
forget.net yes exactly um
1:25:58
forget.net yes exactly um there's you know so it's not really
1:26:02
there's you know so it's not really
1:26:02
there's you know so it's not really net core versus uh you know blazer
1:26:05
net core versus uh you know blazer
1:26:05
net core versus uh you know blazer versus
1:26:05
versus
1:26:05
versus you know angular versus react you just
1:26:08
you know angular versus react you just
1:26:08
you know angular versus react you just need to become a problem solver then
1:26:10
need to become a problem solver then
1:26:10
need to become a problem solver then learning these syntaxes
1:26:12
learning these syntaxes
1:26:12
learning these syntaxes it's not a hard thing no
1:26:15
it's not a hard thing no
1:26:15
it's not a hard thing no and for his question you know if you
1:26:17
and for his question you know if you
1:26:17
and for his question you know if you know if you know that framework you know
1:26:19
know if you know that framework you know
1:26:19
know if you know that framework you know donnett core
1:26:20
donnett core
1:26:20
donnett core yeah right it's not home yeah yeah and
1:26:23
yeah right it's not home yeah yeah and
1:26:23
yeah right it's not home yeah yeah and and i
1:26:23
and i
1:26:23
and i i will tell you you know from from when
1:26:25
i will tell you you know from from when
1:26:25
i will tell you you know from from when i did this when i moved my open source
1:26:28
i did this when i moved my open source
1:26:28
i did this when i moved my open source project from.net framework to dot net
1:26:29
project from.net framework to dot net
1:26:29
project from.net framework to dot net core
1:26:31
core
1:26:31
core most of it i would say 90
1:26:34
most of it i would say 90
1:26:34
most of it i would say 90 of it i just moved the classes into a
1:26:36
of it i just moved the classes into a
1:26:36
of it i just moved the classes into a dunder core project and they worked
1:26:40
dunder core project and they worked
1:26:40
dunder core project and they worked yes yeah and they microsoft is even
1:26:43
yes yeah and they microsoft is even
1:26:43
yes yeah and they microsoft is even building some i think they're going to
1:26:45
building some i think they're going to
1:26:45
building some i think they're going to announce if they have not
1:26:46
announce if they have not
1:26:46
announce if they have not already a tool that may even convert
1:26:50
already a tool that may even convert
1:26:50
already a tool that may even convert your full
1:26:50
your full
1:26:50
your full project full-blown website into asp.net
1:26:54
project full-blown website into asp.net
1:26:54
project full-blown website into asp.net core
1:26:54
core
1:26:54
core depends on how big and what you know
1:26:57
depends on how big and what you know
1:26:57
depends on how big and what you know library to use
1:26:58
library to use
1:26:58
library to use it uses yeah but that's that's one thing
1:27:01
it uses yeah but that's that's one thing
1:27:01
it uses yeah but that's that's one thing i want to make sure that
1:27:03
i want to make sure that
1:27:03
i want to make sure that this person knows is that if you
1:27:04
this person knows is that if you
1:27:04
this person knows is that if you know.net you know.net framework you
1:27:07
know.net you know.net framework you
1:27:07
know.net you know.net framework you know.net core
1:27:08
know.net core
1:27:08
know.net core and you know dotnet five right and you
1:27:10
and you know dotnet five right and you
1:27:10
and you know dotnet five right and you might
1:27:11
might
1:27:11
might you know xamarin you can have a lot of
1:27:13
you know xamarin you can have a lot of
1:27:13
you know xamarin you can have a lot of things with dotnet
1:27:14
things with dotnet
1:27:14
things with dotnet and you might not know you might not
1:27:16
and you might not know you might not
1:27:16
and you might not know you might not know the the the new
1:27:18
know the the the new
1:27:18
know the the the new syntax stuff in dot net core and dot net
1:27:20
syntax stuff in dot net core and dot net
1:27:20
syntax stuff in dot net core and dot net five like the is
1:27:21
five like the is
1:27:21
five like the is you know the is they have out now you
1:27:24
you know the is they have out now you
1:27:24
you know the is they have out now you know you know
1:27:25
know you know
1:27:25
know you know there are some new things of course in
1:27:26
there are some new things of course in
1:27:26
there are some new things of course in those languages but
1:27:28
those languages but
1:27:28
those languages but if you know the framework you know that
1:27:30
if you know the framework you know that
1:27:30
if you know the framework you know that core there's not really much of a
1:27:31
core there's not really much of a
1:27:31
core there's not really much of a difference
1:27:32
difference
1:27:32
difference yeah a new thing everybody has to keep
1:27:34
yeah a new thing everybody has to keep
1:27:34
yeah a new thing everybody has to keep learning right yeah
1:27:36
learning right yeah
1:27:36
learning right yeah that's the key so if you are you know
1:27:38
that's the key so if you are you know
1:27:38
that's the key so if you are you know moving from dot net four point
1:27:40
moving from dot net four point
1:27:40
moving from dot net four point x to dot net five or phone core
1:27:43
x to dot net five or phone core
1:27:43
x to dot net five or phone core 3.1 you still have to go and read what
1:27:46
3.1 you still have to go and read what
1:27:46
3.1 you still have to go and read what are the new syntaxes what are the new
1:27:48
are the new syntaxes what are the new
1:27:48
are the new syntaxes what are the new features what are the
1:27:49
features what are the
1:27:49
features what are the new way to build things right that's
1:27:52
new way to build things right that's
1:27:52
new way to build things right that's part of
1:27:53
part of
1:27:53
part of that part of our daily lives yeah but
1:27:55
that part of our daily lives yeah but
1:27:55
that part of our daily lives yeah but most of the code should work
1:27:57
most of the code should work
1:27:57
most of the code should work right yeah yeah except for win forms
1:28:00
right yeah yeah except for win forms
1:28:00
right yeah yeah except for win forms maybe most of everything else
1:28:02
maybe most of everything else
1:28:02
maybe most of everything else is not supported now i think informs wpf
1:28:05
is not supported now i think informs wpf
1:28:05
is not supported now i think informs wpf they both will be support in different
1:28:06
they both will be support in different
1:28:06
they both will be support in different ways it's not
1:28:07
ways it's not
1:28:07
ways it's not fully supported uh but yeah some parts
1:28:10
fully supported uh but yeah some parts
1:28:10
fully supported uh but yeah some parts are supported for example
1:28:12
are supported for example
1:28:12
are supported for example i think in indo.net 5 you will be able
1:28:14
i think in indo.net 5 you will be able
1:28:14
i think in indo.net 5 you will be able to bring
1:28:15
to bring
1:28:15
to bring uh winform controls in even wpf
1:28:18
uh winform controls in even wpf
1:28:18
uh winform controls in even wpf applications
1:28:19
applications
1:28:19
applications and wise you know if you're so things
1:28:21
and wise you know if you're so things
1:28:22
and wise you know if you're so things like that
1:28:23
like that
1:28:23
like that and and that's you know that's also
1:28:25
and and that's you know that's also
1:28:25
and and that's you know that's also reminds me of you know
1:28:27
reminds me of you know
1:28:27
reminds me of you know uh you know someone asked me earlier you
1:28:29
uh you know someone asked me earlier you
1:28:29
uh you know someone asked me earlier you know what's the best cloud to use you
1:28:31
know what's the best cloud to use you
1:28:31
know what's the best cloud to use you know and
1:28:32
know and
1:28:32
know and and you know that's one of the things
1:28:33
and you know that's one of the things
1:28:33
and you know that's one of the things that i've really liked about
1:28:35
that i've really liked about
1:28:35
that i've really liked about microsoft um and they've been better
1:28:39
microsoft um and they've been better
1:28:39
microsoft um and they've been better at this at certain times but you know
1:28:41
at this at certain times but you know
1:28:41
at this at certain times but you know they've always tried to make the path
1:28:43
they've always tried to make the path
1:28:44
they've always tried to make the path easy to get into something new right
1:28:47
easy to get into something new right
1:28:47
easy to get into something new right they've always made it easy even back
1:28:49
they've always made it easy even back
1:28:49
they've always made it easy even back when we were switching from vb to vb.net
1:28:52
when we were switching from vb to vb.net
1:28:52
when we were switching from vb to vb.net you know they had a they had a they had
1:28:53
you know they had a they had a they had
1:28:53
you know they had a they had a they had a conversion tool
1:28:55
a conversion tool
1:28:55
a conversion tool that you could use to convert it to net
1:28:57
that you could use to convert it to net
1:28:58
that you could use to convert it to net right
1:28:58
right
1:28:58
right and um so they've always tried to make
1:29:01
and um so they've always tried to make
1:29:01
and um so they've always tried to make things
1:29:02
things
1:29:02
things easy to keep things going as opposed to
1:29:05
easy to keep things going as opposed to
1:29:05
easy to keep things going as opposed to just saying
1:29:05
just saying
1:29:05
just saying okay that's it we're starting all over
1:29:07
okay that's it we're starting all over
1:29:08
okay that's it we're starting all over again you know with something brand new
1:29:10
again you know with something brand new
1:29:10
again you know with something brand new that is not compatible with the old
1:29:12
that is not compatible with the old
1:29:12
that is not compatible with the old stuff right
1:29:13
stuff right
1:29:13
stuff right but even when dot net came out it was
1:29:15
but even when dot net came out it was
1:29:15
but even when dot net came out it was compatible with vb
1:29:16
compatible with vb
1:29:16
compatible with vb right yeah and vb could talk to net
1:29:20
right yeah and vb could talk to net
1:29:20
right yeah and vb could talk to net so they really did a lot of work to make
1:29:22
so they really did a lot of work to make
1:29:22
so they really did a lot of work to make sure during the transition
1:29:24
sure during the transition
1:29:24
sure during the transition from vb to net that things were easier
1:29:26
from vb to net that things were easier
1:29:26
from vb to net that things were easier for us
1:29:27
for us
1:29:27
for us right yeah yeah
1:29:31
right yeah yeah
1:29:31
right yeah yeah um there's a question about can you
1:29:33
um there's a question about can you
1:29:33
um there's a question about can you explain what what blazer is
1:29:35
explain what what blazer is
1:29:35
explain what what blazer is so we have a video i think one hour
1:29:37
so we have a video i think one hour
1:29:37
so we have a video i think one hour video on blazer maybe
1:29:39
video on blazer maybe
1:29:40
video on blazer maybe simon you can post that we had a
1:29:41
simon you can post that we had a
1:29:42
simon you can post that we had a detailed discussion just on blazer
1:29:44
detailed discussion just on blazer
1:29:44
detailed discussion just on blazer and michael washington he's actively
1:29:46
and michael washington he's actively
1:29:46
and michael washington he's actively working with blitzer
1:29:48
working with blitzer
1:29:48
working with blitzer he's also one of the 14 or 15 or several
1:29:51
he's also one of the 14 or 15 or several
1:29:51
he's also one of the 14 or 15 or several times
1:29:51
times
1:29:51
times mvp he's an author very published
1:29:54
mvp he's an author very published
1:29:54
mvp he's an author very published uh he writes blogs articles on blazer
1:29:57
uh he writes blogs articles on blazer
1:29:57
uh he writes blogs articles on blazer and he's a really nice guy yeah he's
1:29:59
and he's a really nice guy yeah he's
1:29:59
and he's a really nice guy yeah he's very nice guy
1:30:01
very nice guy
1:30:01
very nice guy um and you meet him you know humble yeah
1:30:04
um and you meet him you know humble yeah
1:30:04
um and you meet him you know humble yeah definitely so that's where you can learn
1:30:06
definitely so that's where you can learn
1:30:06
definitely so that's where you can learn blazer um
1:30:07
blazer um
1:30:07
blazer um dot net core there are a couple of uh
1:30:10
dot net core there are a couple of uh
1:30:10
dot net core there are a couple of uh cms
1:30:10
cms
1:30:10
cms built-in.net core they're open source
1:30:13
built-in.net core they're open source
1:30:13
built-in.net core they're open source one
1:30:13
one
1:30:14
one is uh actually one is in blazer
1:30:17
is uh actually one is in blazer
1:30:17
is uh actually one is in blazer done by michael in the team who did.net
1:30:19
done by michael in the team who did.net
1:30:19
done by michael in the team who did.net new it's called octane
1:30:21
new it's called octane
1:30:21
new it's called octane and we also have a video on c-sharp
1:30:24
and we also have a video on c-sharp
1:30:24
and we also have a video on c-sharp corner videos
1:30:25
corner videos
1:30:25
corner videos so if you go to c-sharp corner videos
1:30:27
so if you go to c-sharp corner videos
1:30:28
so if you go to c-sharp corner videos there is a
1:30:29
there is a
1:30:29
there is a video an ama with the founder of octane
1:30:32
video an ama with the founder of octane
1:30:32
video an ama with the founder of octane that is a open source cms similar to dot
1:30:36
that is a open source cms similar to dot
1:30:36
that is a open source cms similar to dot net new
1:30:37
net new
1:30:37
net new done in blazer and or net core
1:30:40
done in blazer and or net core
1:30:40
done in blazer and or net core yeah and it's also i would also
1:30:43
yeah and it's also i would also
1:30:43
yeah and it's also i would also recommend um
1:30:44
recommend um
1:30:44
recommend um [Music]
1:30:45
[Music]
1:30:45
[Music] carl franklin's blazer train yeah there
1:30:48
carl franklin's blazer train yeah there
1:30:48
carl franklin's blazer train yeah there you go
1:30:49
you go
1:30:49
you go i've known carl since the mid 90s and
1:30:52
i've known carl since the mid 90s and
1:30:52
i've known carl since the mid 90s and now he's got
1:30:53
now he's got
1:30:53
now he's got a a regular series doing along with
1:30:56
a a regular series doing along with
1:30:56
a a regular series doing along with devexpress
1:30:57
devexpress
1:30:57
devexpress um that he does these weekly i think
1:31:00
um that he does these weekly i think
1:31:00
um that he does these weekly i think almost
1:31:01
almost
1:31:01
almost weekly um videos about how to use blazer
1:31:04
weekly um videos about how to use blazer
1:31:04
weekly um videos about how to use blazer what it is
1:31:05
what it is
1:31:05
what it is you know what's the new cool thing you
1:31:06
you know what's the new cool thing you
1:31:06
you know what's the new cool thing you can do in blazer all those kind of
1:31:08
can do in blazer all those kind of
1:31:08
can do in blazer all those kind of things i definitely recommend going
1:31:09
things i definitely recommend going
1:31:09
things i definitely recommend going there too
1:31:10
there too
1:31:10
there too yeah um there's one more uh
1:31:15
yeah um there's one more uh
1:31:15
yeah um there's one more uh one more the open source.net core
1:31:17
one more the open source.net core
1:31:18
one more the open source.net core project
1:31:18
project
1:31:18
project from microsoft um
1:31:22
from microsoft um
1:31:22
from microsoft um i forgot its name we cannot we tried
1:31:24
i forgot its name we cannot we tried
1:31:24
i forgot its name we cannot we tried that we are actually experimenting with
1:31:26
that we are actually experimenting with
1:31:26
that we are actually experimenting with it
1:31:27
it
1:31:27
it uh simon you remember the name
1:31:33
you're new you're new
1:31:36
you're new you're new
1:31:36
you're new you're new the mvvm one recently no it's not it's
1:31:39
the mvvm one recently no it's not it's
1:31:39
the mvvm one recently no it's not it's not mvvm1 it's
1:31:40
not mvvm1 it's
1:31:40
not mvvm1 it's it's not mvvm1
1:31:53
when i graduated you know a couple of
1:31:55
when i graduated you know a couple of
1:31:55
when i graduated you know a couple of years back it was all about low code no
1:31:57
years back it was all about low code no
1:31:57
years back it was all about low code no code
1:31:58
code
1:31:58
code so that is the time when i graduated so
1:32:00
so that is the time when i graduated so
1:32:00
so that is the time when i graduated so i i only up to that
1:32:01
i i only up to that
1:32:02
i i only up to that i can write chunks of code but i cannot
1:32:04
i can write chunks of code but i cannot
1:32:04
i can write chunks of code but i cannot just write go and start writing the
1:32:05
just write go and start writing the
1:32:05
just write go and start writing the entire one
1:32:06
entire one
1:32:06
entire one and you work for c-sharp corner
1:32:12
and you work for c-sharp corner
1:32:12
and you work for c-sharp corner that's just a name we have over 160
1:32:14
that's just a name we have over 160
1:32:14
that's just a name we have over 160 categories
1:32:16
categories
1:32:16
categories oh so it's called archer code it's open
1:32:18
oh so it's called archer code it's open
1:32:18
oh so it's called archer code it's open source it's on github
1:32:20
source it's on github
1:32:20
source it's on github so i will post it here you can share it
1:32:24
um this is the opensource.net cms it's
1:32:27
um this is the opensource.net cms it's
1:32:27
um this is the opensource.net cms it's done by microsoft team
1:32:30
done by microsoft team
1:32:30
done by microsoft team uh it's pretty mature uh it's not mature
1:32:33
uh it's pretty mature uh it's not mature
1:32:33
uh it's pretty mature uh it's not mature it's not really you know it's on the
1:32:35
it's not really you know it's on the
1:32:35
it's not really you know it's on the stage where but i think um
1:32:37
stage where but i think um
1:32:37
stage where but i think um they're still working on
1:32:40
they're still working on
1:32:40
they're still working on yeah and you know one thing i'd like to
1:32:42
yeah and you know one thing i'd like to
1:32:42
yeah and you know one thing i'd like to point out is
1:32:43
point out is
1:32:43
point out is you know the reason blazer is here is
1:32:46
you know the reason blazer is here is
1:32:46
you know the reason blazer is here is because
1:32:47
because
1:32:47
because some developer microsoft
1:32:50
some developer microsoft
1:32:50
some developer microsoft did a side project and that basically
1:32:52
did a side project and that basically
1:32:52
did a side project and that basically what became blazer
1:32:54
what became blazer
1:32:54
what became blazer you know and uh so
1:32:57
you know and uh so
1:32:57
you know and uh so that's the story i've heard at least is
1:32:59
that's the story i've heard at least is
1:32:59
that's the story i've heard at least is you know that this was more of an
1:33:00
you know that this was more of an
1:33:00
you know that this was more of an internal thing that some guy was playing
1:33:02
internal thing that some guy was playing
1:33:02
internal thing that some guy was playing around with
1:33:04
around with
1:33:04
around with some guy was playing around with and and
1:33:06
some guy was playing around with and and
1:33:06
some guy was playing around with and and microsoft said hey
1:33:08
microsoft said hey
1:33:08
microsoft said hey this is pretty cool let's let's uh see
1:33:10
this is pretty cool let's let's uh see
1:33:10
this is pretty cool let's let's uh see if we can do something with it
1:33:11
if we can do something with it
1:33:11
if we can do something with it so um you know that's
1:33:14
so um you know that's
1:33:14
so um you know that's you know that's that's why i think you
1:33:17
you know that's that's why i think you
1:33:17
you know that's that's why i think you know i i have written this in articles
1:33:19
know i i have written this in articles
1:33:19
know i i have written this in articles in an article for you guys if i ran a
1:33:21
in an article for you guys if i ran a
1:33:21
in an article for you guys if i ran a software company and
1:33:23
software company and
1:33:23
software company and and one of the things if i ran a
1:33:24
and one of the things if i ran a
1:33:24
and one of the things if i ran a software company is every friday
1:33:26
software company is every friday
1:33:26
software company is every friday afternoon would be
1:33:28
afternoon would be
1:33:28
afternoon would be a hackathon you know where people could
1:33:31
a hackathon you know where people could
1:33:31
a hackathon you know where people could just
1:33:32
just
1:33:32
just work on something semi-related to work
1:33:34
work on something semi-related to work
1:33:34
work on something semi-related to work right because that's where a lot of
1:33:36
right because that's where a lot of
1:33:36
right because that's where a lot of ideas come from
1:33:37
ideas come from
1:33:37
ideas come from at big companies like microsoft and
1:33:39
at big companies like microsoft and
1:33:39
at big companies like microsoft and google and things like that
1:33:40
google and things like that
1:33:40
google and things like that is by doing these like team hackathons
1:33:44
is by doing these like team hackathons
1:33:44
is by doing these like team hackathons right yeah yes i've never been on the
1:33:46
right yeah yes i've never been on the
1:33:46
right yeah yes i've never been on the team that did that
1:33:47
team that did that
1:33:47
team that did that but i think i think it's important not
1:33:49
but i think i think it's important not
1:33:49
but i think i think it's important not only
1:33:50
only
1:33:50
only for for people to learn things but also
1:33:53
for for people to learn things but also
1:33:54
for for people to learn things but also to explore new technologies and things
1:33:56
to explore new technologies and things
1:33:56
to explore new technologies and things like that at work right
1:33:57
like that at work right
1:33:57
like that at work right and uh like for example when i worked at
1:33:59
and uh like for example when i worked at
1:33:59
and uh like for example when i worked at a company ten years ago
1:34:01
a company ten years ago
1:34:01
a company ten years ago you know there's another developer there
1:34:03
you know there's another developer there
1:34:03
you know there's another developer there that we came up with
1:34:05
that we came up with
1:34:05
that we came up with a really good idea that we wanted to do
1:34:07
a really good idea that we wanted to do
1:34:07
a really good idea that we wanted to do but we had to quit the company first
1:34:09
but we had to quit the company first
1:34:09
but we had to quit the company first [Laughter]
1:34:12
[Laughter]
1:34:12
[Laughter] so only because we wanted to make money
1:34:14
so only because we wanted to make money
1:34:14
so only because we wanted to make money on it not the company
1:34:16
on it not the company
1:34:16
on it not the company right so we wanted to use we basically
1:34:19
right so we wanted to use we basically
1:34:19
right so we wanted to use we basically wanted to use the api that i wrote at
1:34:21
wanted to use the api that i wrote at
1:34:21
wanted to use the api that i wrote at the company
1:34:22
the company
1:34:22
the company but then we wanted to leave and come up
1:34:24
but then we wanted to leave and come up
1:34:24
but then we wanted to leave and come up with this product we could sell
1:34:26
with this product we could sell
1:34:26
with this product we could sell right yeah yeah so yeah i think and but
1:34:29
right yeah yeah so yeah i think and but
1:34:29
right yeah yeah so yeah i think and but we came up with that idea of work
1:34:31
we came up with that idea of work
1:34:31
we came up with that idea of work because no one at work
1:34:32
because no one at work
1:34:32
because no one at work thought it was interesting so we but we
1:34:34
thought it was interesting so we but we
1:34:34
thought it was interesting so we but we did you know
1:34:36
did you know
1:34:36
did you know a lot of companies have started like
1:34:39
a lot of companies have started like
1:34:39
a lot of companies have started like that where you know consultants working
1:34:41
that where you know consultants working
1:34:41
that where you know consultants working on a client and they come up with a
1:34:42
on a client and they come up with a
1:34:42
on a client and they come up with a problem and they
1:34:43
problem and they
1:34:44
problem and they build this as a product and they sell
1:34:45
build this as a product and they sell
1:34:45
build this as a product and they sell back to the company this
1:34:47
back to the company this
1:34:47
back to the company this i've seen i've seen a lot of companies
1:34:49
i've seen i've seen a lot of companies
1:34:49
i've seen i've seen a lot of companies uh built like that
1:34:51
uh built like that
1:34:51
uh built like that yeah yeah yeah and the original product
1:34:54
yeah yeah yeah and the original product
1:34:54
yeah yeah yeah and the original product i was working on at that company was
1:34:55
i was working on at that company was
1:34:55
i was working on at that company was exactly that
1:34:57
exactly that
1:34:57
exactly that yeah they bought it from some guy in new
1:34:59
yeah they bought it from some guy in new
1:34:59
yeah they bought it from some guy in new mexico
1:35:00
mexico
1:35:00
mexico yeah yeah and um i don't think they
1:35:03
yeah yeah and um i don't think they
1:35:03
yeah yeah and um i don't think they should have in the end but
1:35:04
should have in the end but
1:35:04
should have in the end but you know because it was pretty crappy
1:35:07
you know because it was pretty crappy
1:35:07
you know because it was pretty crappy code but
1:35:07
code but
1:35:07
code but um but they did you know and and that's
1:35:10
um but they did you know and and that's
1:35:10
um but they did you know and and that's how the product
1:35:11
how the product
1:35:11
how the product came to be you know so yeah
1:35:14
came to be you know so yeah
1:35:14
came to be you know so yeah yeah and i i i'm pretty sure google does
1:35:17
yeah and i i i'm pretty sure google does
1:35:17
yeah and i i i'm pretty sure google does stuff like that i don't know about
1:35:18
stuff like that i don't know about
1:35:18
stuff like that i don't know about microsoft but
1:35:19
microsoft but
1:35:19
microsoft but i know google does like these hackathon
1:35:21
i know google does like these hackathon
1:35:21
i know google does like these hackathon things where they come up with new ideas
1:35:23
things where they come up with new ideas
1:35:23
things where they come up with new ideas and stuff like that
1:35:25
and stuff like that
1:35:25
and stuff like that they all do they all do um um sometimes
1:35:27
they all do they all do um um sometimes
1:35:28
they all do they all do um um sometimes they may not do internally in the
1:35:29
they may not do internally in the
1:35:29
they may not do internally in the companies they just
1:35:31
companies they just
1:35:31
companies they just don't do at the same college campus or
1:35:34
don't do at the same college campus or
1:35:34
don't do at the same college campus or you know yeah somehow some way they do
1:35:38
you know yeah somehow some way they do
1:35:38
you know yeah somehow some way they do they all of them are pretty much
1:35:39
they all of them are pretty much
1:35:40
they all of them are pretty much involved but i agree google were
1:35:42
involved but i agree google were
1:35:42
involved but i agree google were google were pioneer in those they they
1:35:44
google were pioneer in those they they
1:35:44
google were pioneer in those they they they started all the you know
1:35:46
they started all the you know
1:35:46
they started all the you know that's where they came from not from
1:35:48
that's where they came from not from
1:35:48
that's where they came from not from microsoft yeah
1:35:51
microsoft yeah
1:35:51
microsoft yeah unfortunately companies would put more
1:35:54
unfortunately companies would put more
1:35:54
unfortunately companies would put more effort
1:35:54
effort
1:35:54
effort into um you know teaching the developers
1:35:58
into um you know teaching the developers
1:35:58
into um you know teaching the developers new technologies and new ways of doing
1:36:00
new technologies and new ways of doing
1:36:00
new technologies and new ways of doing things i don't see that happening at all
1:36:02
things i don't see that happening at all
1:36:02
things i don't see that happening at all anymore you know and um
1:36:06
anymore you know and um
1:36:06
anymore you know and um and you know i write about in that you
1:36:09
and you know i write about in that you
1:36:09
and you know i write about in that you know in that
1:36:09
know in that
1:36:10
know in that i think that article too that you know
1:36:12
i think that article too that you know
1:36:12
i think that article too that you know most companies
1:36:13
most companies
1:36:13
most companies don't give you any time to learn at work
1:36:15
don't give you any time to learn at work
1:36:15
don't give you any time to learn at work anymore you know
1:36:16
anymore you know
1:36:16
anymore you know the best time to learn is at home and
1:36:19
the best time to learn is at home and
1:36:19
the best time to learn is at home and that's why i always suggest people
1:36:20
that's why i always suggest people
1:36:20
that's why i always suggest people especially junior people
1:36:22
especially junior people
1:36:22
especially junior people you should always be working on projects
1:36:24
you should always be working on projects
1:36:24
you should always be working on projects at home because you're not going to get
1:36:25
at home because you're not going to get
1:36:25
at home because you're not going to get that time
1:36:26
that time
1:36:26
that time at work excuse me i mean
1:36:29
at work excuse me i mean
1:36:30
at work excuse me i mean yeah yeah yes and no some companies i
1:36:32
yeah yeah yes and no some companies i
1:36:32
yeah yeah yes and no some companies i know they
1:36:33
know they
1:36:33
know they they are now focusing on learning a lot
1:36:36
they are now focusing on learning a lot
1:36:36
they are now focusing on learning a lot i know big companies here in philly
1:36:37
i know big companies here in philly
1:36:38
i know big companies here in philly including comcast my cousin raj he works
1:36:40
including comcast my cousin raj he works
1:36:40
including comcast my cousin raj he works in comcast
1:36:41
in comcast
1:36:41
in comcast so they she was saying they have started
1:36:43
so they she was saying they have started
1:36:43
so they she was saying they have started that everybody has
1:36:45
that everybody has
1:36:45
that everybody has you know pluralsight linda linkedin all
1:36:48
you know pluralsight linda linkedin all
1:36:48
you know pluralsight linda linkedin all these access to these tools
1:36:50
these access to these tools
1:36:50
these access to these tools everybody has access to uh learning new
1:36:53
everybody has access to uh learning new
1:36:53
everybody has access to uh learning new things and they now
1:36:55
things and they now
1:36:55
things and they now every week one of them they have to
1:36:57
every week one of them they have to
1:36:57
every week one of them they have to learn new things and share with the team
1:36:59
learn new things and share with the team
1:36:59
learn new things and share with the team yeah so there are some companies are
1:37:01
yeah so there are some companies are
1:37:01
yeah so there are some companies are doing that they are taking initiatives
1:37:03
doing that they are taking initiatives
1:37:03
doing that they are taking initiatives really all depends on
1:37:04
really all depends on
1:37:04
really all depends on the cio or the cto of the company right
1:37:08
the cio or the cto of the company right
1:37:08
the cio or the cto of the company right from that you know his mind said how
1:37:09
from that you know his mind said how
1:37:09
from that you know his mind said how he's driving what direction he's taking
1:37:11
he's driving what direction he's taking
1:37:11
he's driving what direction he's taking his
1:37:12
his
1:37:12
his teams to and his you know is there other
1:37:14
teams to and his you know is there other
1:37:14
teams to and his you know is there other guys working for him it all depends on
1:37:16
guys working for him it all depends on
1:37:16
guys working for him it all depends on that
1:37:18
that
1:37:18
that so yeah i mean one big thing i'm
1:37:22
so yeah i mean one big thing i'm
1:37:22
so yeah i mean one big thing i'm changing now because everything is a
1:37:24
changing now because everything is a
1:37:24
changing now because everything is a cloud
1:37:24
cloud
1:37:24
cloud and everything is more like it you know
1:37:27
and everything is more like it you know
1:37:27
and everything is more like it you know drag and drop
1:37:28
drag and drop
1:37:28
drag and drop i see there's a big shift coming in here
1:37:31
i see there's a big shift coming in here
1:37:31
i see there's a big shift coming in here a few next few years we will see a big
1:37:33
a few next few years we will see a big
1:37:33
a few next few years we will see a big shift where
1:37:34
shift where
1:37:34
shift where there will be less and less code writing
1:37:36
there will be less and less code writing
1:37:36
there will be less and less code writing more and more
1:37:37
more and more
1:37:37
more and more building solutions and deploying right
1:37:39
building solutions and deploying right
1:37:39
building solutions and deploying right there on the cloud
1:37:40
there on the cloud
1:37:40
there on the cloud right yeah that's becoming a big time
1:37:43
right yeah that's becoming a big time
1:37:43
right yeah that's becoming a big time let's say
1:37:44
let's say
1:37:44
let's say more and more you know we talked to
1:37:45
more and more you know we talked to
1:37:45
more and more you know we talked to these companies okay i want to build in
1:37:47
these companies okay i want to build in
1:37:47
these companies okay i want to build in you know
1:37:48
you know
1:37:48
you know a voice enabled system which supports
1:37:51
a voice enabled system which supports
1:37:51
a voice enabled system which supports alexa
1:37:52
alexa
1:37:52
alexa and also works on browser guess you go
1:37:54
and also works on browser guess you go
1:37:54
and also works on browser guess you go ahead
1:37:55
ahead
1:37:55
ahead anybody can pretty much build those
1:37:57
anybody can pretty much build those
1:37:57
anybody can pretty much build those applications now you don't need to
1:37:59
applications now you don't need to
1:37:59
applications now you don't need to even know a programming like this
1:38:01
even know a programming like this
1:38:01
even know a programming like this anymore
1:38:02
anymore
1:38:02
anymore [Music]
1:38:03
[Music]
1:38:03
[Music] yeah and that's you know i actually you
1:38:05
yeah and that's you know i actually you
1:38:06
yeah and that's you know i actually you know
1:38:06
know
1:38:06
know um you know i'm always been a dreamer
1:38:09
um you know i'm always been a dreamer
1:38:09
um you know i'm always been a dreamer you know and
1:38:10
you know and
1:38:10
you know and i've always thought about the future and
1:38:12
i've always thought about the future and
1:38:12
i've always thought about the future and things like that and and quite frankly
1:38:14
things like that and and quite frankly
1:38:14
things like that and and quite frankly i've been thinking about what you just
1:38:15
i've been thinking about what you just
1:38:15
i've been thinking about what you just said for a very long time
1:38:17
said for a very long time
1:38:17
said for a very long time and uh and i i thought we'd be there by
1:38:21
and uh and i i thought we'd be there by
1:38:21
and uh and i i thought we'd be there by now
1:38:22
now
1:38:22
now you know i know so we're in at least in
1:38:24
you know i know so we're in at least in
1:38:24
you know i know so we're in at least in my mind we're lagging
1:38:26
my mind we're lagging
1:38:26
my mind we're lagging you know in uh getting that done but
1:38:28
you know in uh getting that done but
1:38:28
you know in uh getting that done but yeah that's been the future i've seen
1:38:30
yeah that's been the future i've seen
1:38:30
yeah that's been the future i've seen for a long time
1:38:31
for a long time
1:38:31
for a long time you know and that you know uh problem
1:38:34
you know and that you know uh problem
1:38:34
you know and that you know uh problem solving like you were talking earlier
1:38:36
solving like you were talking earlier
1:38:36
solving like you were talking earlier that's our biggest
1:38:37
that's our biggest
1:38:37
that's our biggest job being a software developer for
1:38:40
job being a software developer for
1:38:40
job being a software developer for business
1:38:40
business
1:38:40
business related software right i'm not talking
1:38:43
related software right i'm not talking
1:38:43
related software right i'm not talking about compilers and
1:38:44
about compilers and
1:38:44
about compilers and you know other low-level stuff i'm
1:38:47
you know other low-level stuff i'm
1:38:48
you know other low-level stuff i'm talking about
1:38:49
talking about
1:38:49
talking about the business software right i thought
1:38:52
the business software right i thought
1:38:52
the business software right i thought we'd be there a long time ago with that
1:38:55
we'd be there a long time ago with that
1:38:55
we'd be there a long time ago with that kind of stuff and there are technologies
1:38:56
kind of stuff and there are technologies
1:38:56
kind of stuff and there are technologies out there that really
1:38:58
out there that really
1:38:58
out there that really you know make it easier like even you
1:38:59
you know make it easier like even you
1:38:59
you know make it easier like even you know the the power apps and azure and
1:39:01
know the the power apps and azure and
1:39:01
know the the power apps and azure and stuff like that
1:39:03
stuff like that
1:39:03
stuff like that um but yeah that's the i think that's
1:39:05
um but yeah that's the i think that's
1:39:05
um but yeah that's the i think that's the future
1:39:06
the future
1:39:06
the future yeah yeah i think uh simon this guy
1:39:09
yeah yeah i think uh simon this guy
1:39:09
yeah yeah i think uh simon this guy gives us a good
1:39:10
gives us a good
1:39:10
gives us a good topic to focus on building a solving a
1:39:13
topic to focus on building a solving a
1:39:13
topic to focus on building a solving a problem not
1:39:14
problem not
1:39:14
problem not writing code right you know in end of
1:39:17
writing code right you know in end of
1:39:17
writing code right you know in end of the day
1:39:18
the day
1:39:18
the day business doesn't care if you're writing
1:39:20
business doesn't care if you're writing
1:39:20
business doesn't care if you're writing a code or not all they want is a
1:39:21
a code or not all they want is a
1:39:21
a code or not all they want is a solution
1:39:22
solution
1:39:22
solution there's a problem they want the solution
1:39:25
there's a problem they want the solution
1:39:25
there's a problem they want the solution for it okay
1:39:31
yeah that focus on building the solution
1:39:33
yeah that focus on building the solution
1:39:33
yeah that focus on building the solution rather than
1:39:34
rather than
1:39:34
rather than thinking oh let me go write new code
1:39:36
thinking oh let me go write new code
1:39:36
thinking oh let me go write new code right and
1:39:37
right and
1:39:37
right and so next month at a user group i'm going
1:39:39
so next month at a user group i'm going
1:39:39
so next month at a user group i'm going to be doing for the first time in a
1:39:41
to be doing for the first time in a
1:39:41
to be doing for the first time in a while my defensive programming talk
1:39:43
while my defensive programming talk
1:39:44
while my defensive programming talk and um you know there's a there's a
1:39:46
and um you know there's a there's a
1:39:46
and um you know there's a there's a slide i have in there about
1:39:48
slide i have in there about
1:39:48
slide i have in there about the cost of fixing bugs right
1:39:51
the cost of fixing bugs right
1:39:51
the cost of fixing bugs right and and it was done by this scientist
1:39:55
and and it was done by this scientist
1:39:55
and and it was done by this scientist brilliant guy i can't remember his name
1:39:57
brilliant guy i can't remember his name
1:39:57
brilliant guy i can't remember his name but you know not me
1:39:58
but you know not me
1:39:58
but you know not me it was done by this guy who did research
1:40:01
it was done by this guy who did research
1:40:01
it was done by this guy who did research into this
1:40:02
into this
1:40:02
into this and um and he produced a graph basically
1:40:05
and um and he produced a graph basically
1:40:05
and um and he produced a graph basically that showed you
1:40:06
that showed you
1:40:06
that showed you and and one of the things that i really
1:40:09
and and one of the things that i really
1:40:09
and and one of the things that i really hammer on people about doing is
1:40:11
hammer on people about doing is
1:40:11
hammer on people about doing is documentation you know doing
1:40:14
documentation you know doing
1:40:14
documentation you know doing um uh not only feature uh requirements
1:40:17
um uh not only feature uh requirements
1:40:17
um uh not only feature uh requirements but also detailed design documents
1:40:19
but also detailed design documents
1:40:19
but also detailed design documents right before you sit down and start
1:40:21
right before you sit down and start
1:40:22
right before you sit down and start coding right
1:40:23
coding right
1:40:23
coding right because i think if i'm remembering the
1:40:25
because i think if i'm remembering the
1:40:25
because i think if i'm remembering the graph correctly
1:40:27
graph correctly
1:40:27
graph correctly you can actually fix bugs before you
1:40:29
you can actually fix bugs before you
1:40:29
you can actually fix bugs before you even start coding
1:40:30
even start coding
1:40:30
even start coding right so if you fix a bug when you're
1:40:34
right so if you fix a bug when you're
1:40:34
right so if you fix a bug when you're when you start coding it's ten times the
1:40:37
when you start coding it's ten times the
1:40:37
when you start coding it's ten times the cost of fixing it
1:40:38
cost of fixing it
1:40:38
cost of fixing it is if you did it in documentation phase
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is if you did it in documentation phase
1:40:41
is if you did it in documentation phase right and and you go to the extreme that
1:40:44
right and and you go to the extreme that
1:40:44
right and and you go to the extreme that if a user finds a bug
1:40:47
if a user finds a bug
1:40:47
if a user finds a bug that's gonna cost 150 times or more to
1:40:50
that's gonna cost 150 times or more to
1:40:50
that's gonna cost 150 times or more to fix it
1:40:51
fix it
1:40:51
fix it yes right yeah we i just found a bug on
1:40:56
yes right yeah we i just found a bug on
1:40:56
yes right yeah we i just found a bug on c sharp corner today that our live url
1:40:58
c sharp corner today that our live url
1:40:58
c sharp corner today that our live url is not working
1:40:59
is not working
1:40:59
is not working [Laughter]
1:41:02
[Laughter]
1:41:02
[Laughter] literally so if somebody's going to the
1:41:04
literally so if somebody's going to the
1:41:04
literally so if somebody's going to the live url and there's
1:41:05
live url and there's
1:41:06
live url and there's there's nothing it says minus one minus
1:41:08
there's nothing it says minus one minus
1:41:08
there's nothing it says minus one minus one so yeah i agree
1:41:09
one so yeah i agree
1:41:10
one so yeah i agree like finding bugs in the production
1:41:11
like finding bugs in the production
1:41:11
like finding bugs in the production system is costly
1:41:13
system is costly
1:41:13
system is costly yeah not only is costly financially but
1:41:16
yeah not only is costly financially but
1:41:16
yeah not only is costly financially but then you are
1:41:17
then you are
1:41:17
then you are you are annoying and disappointing your
1:41:19
you are annoying and disappointing your
1:41:19
you are annoying and disappointing your customers and users
1:41:21
customers and users
1:41:21
customers and users and that's the worst part because cost
1:41:23
and that's the worst part because cost
1:41:23
and that's the worst part because cost of that is
1:41:24
of that is
1:41:24
of that is very high if a person has a website
1:41:28
very high if a person has a website
1:41:28
very high if a person has a website url and your product is not doing what
1:41:31
url and your product is not doing what
1:41:31
url and your product is not doing what it's supposed to do
1:41:33
it's supposed to do
1:41:33
it's supposed to do it's slow or it's not there guess what
1:41:35
it's slow or it's not there guess what
1:41:35
it's slow or it's not there guess what that user is probably not coming back
1:41:37
that user is probably not coming back
1:41:37
that user is probably not coming back yeah he's lost a user for a lifetime and
1:41:40
yeah he's lost a user for a lifetime and
1:41:40
yeah he's lost a user for a lifetime and i i tell
1:41:41
i i tell
1:41:41
i i tell you that all the time you know because
1:41:43
you that all the time you know because
1:41:43
you that all the time you know because you know we
1:41:44
you know we
1:41:44
you know we you know in software there's always this
1:41:46
you know in software there's always this
1:41:46
you know in software there's always this thing about you know features and date
1:41:49
thing about you know features and date
1:41:49
thing about you know features and date right you have to have these speakers by
1:41:51
right you have to have these speakers by
1:41:51
right you have to have these speakers by this day
1:41:52
this day
1:41:52
this day right they can't move right so
1:41:56
right they can't move right so
1:41:56
right they can't move right so when the the day comes closer and closer
1:41:58
when the the day comes closer and closer
1:41:58
when the the day comes closer and closer you know people start getting less and
1:42:00
you know people start getting less and
1:42:00
you know people start getting less and less
1:42:01
less
1:42:01
less uh um cognizant i guess of
1:42:04
uh um cognizant i guess of
1:42:04
uh um cognizant i guess of of what they're releasing right and i've
1:42:07
of what they're releasing right and i've
1:42:07
of what they're releasing right and i've even gone to
1:42:08
even gone to
1:42:08
even gone to companies and teams going you i did this
1:42:10
companies and teams going you i did this
1:42:10
companies and teams going you i did this at this company 10 years ago
1:42:12
at this company 10 years ago
1:42:12
at this company 10 years ago i six months before the release i told
1:42:14
i six months before the release i told
1:42:14
i six months before the release i told them they can't release it
1:42:16
them they can't release it
1:42:16
them they can't release it right and i told them exactly why and i
1:42:19
right and i told them exactly why and i
1:42:19
right and i told them exactly why and i i told them
1:42:20
i told them
1:42:20
i told them if they release this product the way it
1:42:23
if they release this product the way it
1:42:23
if they release this product the way it is
1:42:23
is
1:42:23
is they're going to lose customers and lose
1:42:25
they're going to lose customers and lose
1:42:25
they're going to lose customers and lose market share
1:42:26
market share
1:42:26
market share right and i was i was the highest level
1:42:30
right and i was i was the highest level
1:42:30
right and i was i was the highest level software engineer you could be at the
1:42:31
software engineer you could be at the
1:42:31
software engineer you could be at the company
1:42:32
company
1:42:32
company right and they basically told me i don't
1:42:34
right and they basically told me i don't
1:42:34
right and they basically told me i don't know what i'm talking about
1:42:35
know what i'm talking about
1:42:35
know what i'm talking about right so we released december that year
1:42:39
right so we released december that year
1:42:39
right so we released december that year guess what happened the next year
1:42:43
guess what happened the next year
1:42:43
guess what happened the next year we were dropped customers were leaving
1:42:45
we were dropped customers were leaving
1:42:45
we were dropped customers were leaving us for a competitor like
1:42:47
us for a competitor like
1:42:47
us for a competitor like in droves right and that product never
1:42:50
in droves right and that product never
1:42:50
in droves right and that product never really took off because of it because
1:42:53
really took off because of it because
1:42:53
really took off because of it because your first impression is everything
1:42:55
your first impression is everything
1:42:55
your first impression is everything right yes if you put out a product
1:42:58
right yes if you put out a product
1:42:58
right yes if you put out a product you know that's pathway works and is
1:43:02
you know that's pathway works and is
1:43:02
you know that's pathway works and is buggy and stuff like that people are
1:43:03
buggy and stuff like that people are
1:43:03
buggy and stuff like that people are going to find something else
1:43:06
going to find something else
1:43:06
going to find something else yeah same thing when i go on a first
1:43:08
yeah same thing when i go on a first
1:43:08
yeah same thing when i go on a first date
1:43:09
date
1:43:09
date you know if you don't get past the first
1:43:12
you know if you don't get past the first
1:43:12
you know if you don't get past the first date it's not going to happen
1:43:14
date it's not going to happen
1:43:14
date it's not going to happen right correct
1:43:17
yes because well first of all
1:43:20
yes because well first of all
1:43:20
yes because well first of all now especially in the last few years
1:43:24
now especially in the last few years
1:43:24
now especially in the last few years people don't have patience right and
1:43:27
people don't have patience right and
1:43:27
people don't have patience right and it's not their fault that's how our mind
1:43:29
it's not their fault that's how our mind
1:43:29
it's not their fault that's how our mind works these days because
1:43:31
works these days because
1:43:31
works these days because things come to us very quickly
1:43:33
things come to us very quickly
1:43:33
things come to us very quickly everything is on the you know
1:43:34
everything is on the you know
1:43:34
everything is on the you know instantly yeah so if you're releasing a
1:43:37
instantly yeah so if you're releasing a
1:43:37
instantly yeah so if you're releasing a product as a software developer
1:43:39
product as a software developer
1:43:40
product as a software developer and it is buggy or stick slow
1:43:43
and it is buggy or stick slow
1:43:43
and it is buggy or stick slow or it's not really user friendly guess
1:43:45
or it's not really user friendly guess
1:43:45
or it's not really user friendly guess what you are going to lose customers
1:43:48
what you are going to lose customers
1:43:48
what you are going to lose customers and that is going to cost business a lot
1:43:51
and that is going to cost business a lot
1:43:51
and that is going to cost business a lot more than
1:43:52
more than
1:43:52
more than anything else and that's why that
1:43:54
anything else and that's why that
1:43:54
anything else and that's why that company's not doing very well anymore
1:43:56
company's not doing very well anymore
1:43:56
company's not doing very well anymore yep they do stuff like that you know
1:43:59
yep they do stuff like that you know
1:43:59
yep they do stuff like that you know yeah
1:44:00
yeah
1:44:00
yeah and you know unfortunately they don't
1:44:02
and you know unfortunately they don't
1:44:02
and you know unfortunately they don't listen to their senior developers and
1:44:05
listen to their senior developers and
1:44:05
listen to their senior developers and so
1:44:08
yeah they are yeah and then and we had
1:44:11
yeah they are yeah and then and we had
1:44:11
yeah they are yeah and then and we had one major competitor
1:44:13
one major competitor
1:44:13
one major competitor actually we were trying to merge with
1:44:14
actually we were trying to merge with
1:44:14
actually we were trying to merge with them you know but the government said no
1:44:17
them you know but the government said no
1:44:17
them you know but the government said no you know because that would create a
1:44:19
you know because that would create a
1:44:19
you know because that would create a monopoly
1:44:20
monopoly
1:44:20
monopoly right yeah that's supposedly not allowed
1:44:23
right yeah that's supposedly not allowed
1:44:23
right yeah that's supposedly not allowed in america even though it's happening
1:44:24
in america even though it's happening
1:44:24
in america even though it's happening but
1:44:25
but
1:44:25
but um so the government said no you guys
1:44:28
um so the government said no you guys
1:44:28
um so the government said no you guys can't merge
1:44:29
can't merge
1:44:29
can't merge right and so because of
1:44:32
right and so because of
1:44:32
right and so because of the practices they did here that company
1:44:34
the practices they did here that company
1:44:34
the practices they did here that company took
1:44:35
took
1:44:35
took took all the business you know because
1:44:39
took all the business you know because
1:44:39
took all the business you know because they put out a better product you know
1:44:41
they put out a better product you know
1:44:41
they put out a better product you know they might have been
1:44:42
they might have been
1:44:42
they might have been behind on the features that we did but
1:44:44
behind on the features that we did but
1:44:44
behind on the features that we did but their product worked better
1:44:47
their product worked better
1:44:47
their product worked better and was more performant right
1:44:52
all right i think we can go on this all
1:44:54
all right i think we can go on this all
1:44:54
all right i think we can go on this all day sign up
1:44:55
day sign up
1:44:55
day sign up [Laughter]
1:44:57
[Laughter]
1:44:57
[Laughter] diamond's going i want to go to bed
1:45:02
diamond's going i want to go to bed
1:45:02
diamond's going i want to go to bed one thing to add is like uh as you're
1:45:04
one thing to add is like uh as you're
1:45:04
one thing to add is like uh as you're talking about low code no code from uh
1:45:07
talking about low code no code from uh
1:45:07
talking about low code no code from uh from the coming week on monday we have
1:45:09
from the coming week on monday we have
1:45:09
from the coming week on monday we have uh at
1:45:10
uh at
1:45:10
uh at azure ai series where we're gonna talk
1:45:11
azure ai series where we're gonna talk
1:45:12
azure ai series where we're gonna talk about three major services of
1:45:13
about three major services of
1:45:13
about three major services of azure ai that is at your machine
1:45:15
azure ai that is at your machine
1:45:15
azure ai that is at your machine learning studio at your sdk for ai
1:45:17
learning studio at your sdk for ai
1:45:17
learning studio at your sdk for ai and the azure cognitive services that
1:45:19
and the azure cognitive services that
1:45:19
and the azure cognitive services that will have around like at least 20 25
1:45:21
will have around like at least 20 25
1:45:21
will have around like at least 20 25 episodes
1:45:22
episodes
1:45:22
episodes that would be from me right low code no
1:45:24
that would be from me right low code no
1:45:24
that would be from me right low code no code that's cool
1:45:28
that's a good that's a good topic
1:45:31
that's a good that's a good topic
1:45:31
that's a good that's a good topic yeah and and as you said david like you
1:45:33
yeah and and as you said david like you
1:45:33
yeah and and as you said david like you know some some people allow
1:45:35
know some some people allow
1:45:35
know some some people allow to work to you know gain knowledge while
1:45:37
to work to you know gain knowledge while
1:45:37
to work to you know gain knowledge while he works that's what i'm doing now
1:45:38
he works that's what i'm doing now
1:45:38
he works that's what i'm doing now being a host i i get to hear all that
1:45:40
being a host i i get to hear all that
1:45:40
being a host i i get to hear all that stuff now and it's time to go ahead and
1:45:42
stuff now and it's time to go ahead and
1:45:42
stuff now and it's time to go ahead and start my own choice
1:45:44
start my own choice
1:45:44
start my own choice yeah and i i i've always felt it's a
1:45:47
yeah and i i i've always felt it's a
1:45:47
yeah and i i i've always felt it's a developer's
1:45:48
developer's
1:45:48
developer's responsibility to help other developers
1:45:51
responsibility to help other developers
1:45:51
responsibility to help other developers you know
1:45:52
you know
1:45:52
you know and i know that's the way i've always
1:45:53
and i know that's the way i've always
1:45:53
and i know that's the way i've always felt since i've been
1:45:55
felt since i've been
1:45:55
felt since i've been even before i was a full-time developer
1:45:57
even before i was a full-time developer
1:45:57
even before i was a full-time developer that's the way i felt you know
1:45:59
that's the way i felt you know
1:45:59
that's the way i felt you know i had a i had a newsletter before i was
1:46:02
i had a i had a newsletter before i was
1:46:02
i had a i had a newsletter before i was even a
1:46:02
even a
1:46:02
even a full-time programmer about programming
1:46:05
full-time programmer about programming
1:46:05
full-time programmer about programming you know
1:46:05
you know
1:46:06
you know wow and so you know my very first
1:46:10
wow and so you know my very first
1:46:10
wow and so you know my very first website piggybacked
1:46:13
website piggybacked
1:46:13
website piggybacked on carl franklin's very first website
1:46:16
on carl franklin's very first website
1:46:16
on carl franklin's very first website you know back in back in 1994 you know
1:46:19
you know back in back in 1994 you know
1:46:19
you know back in back in 1994 you know before i was a full-time developer
1:46:22
before i was a full-time developer
1:46:22
before i was a full-time developer i had a website with carl franklin you
1:46:25
i had a website with carl franklin you
1:46:25
i had a website with carl franklin you know and so
1:46:26
know and so
1:46:26
know and so i've had a website since 94. since the
1:46:29
i've had a website since 94. since the
1:46:29
i've had a website since 94. since the year i became a full-time developer
1:46:32
year i became a full-time developer
1:46:32
year i became a full-time developer so since the internet was almost
1:46:34
so since the internet was almost
1:46:34
so since the internet was almost announced
1:46:35
announced
1:46:35
announced before the internet almost before even i
1:46:39
before the internet almost before even i
1:46:39
before the internet almost before even i was born
1:46:40
was born
1:46:40
was born yeah but listen simon anything we have
1:46:43
yeah but listen simon anything we have
1:46:43
yeah but listen simon anything we have done it before everything
1:46:44
done it before everything
1:46:44
done it before everything we have done is probably before you're
1:46:46
we have done is probably before you're
1:46:46
we have done is probably before you're born yeah yeah
1:46:49
born yeah yeah
1:46:49
born yeah yeah and that's what that's what really makes
1:46:51
and that's what that's what really makes
1:46:51
and that's what that's what really makes me
1:46:52
me
1:46:52
me old on my team because i have you know i
1:46:55
old on my team because i have you know i
1:46:55
old on my team because i have you know i have people on my team at work
1:46:56
have people on my team at work
1:46:56
have people on my team at work they were born after i started
1:46:58
they were born after i started
1:46:58
they were born after i started programming
1:47:01
i mean yeah the key is right so there is
1:47:03
i mean yeah the key is right so there is
1:47:03
i mean yeah the key is right so there is a lot of old programmers
1:47:05
a lot of old programmers
1:47:05
a lot of old programmers i know where they have not changed their
1:47:08
i know where they have not changed their
1:47:08
i know where they have not changed their way
1:47:08
way
1:47:08
way that they were you know thinking 10
1:47:11
that they were you know thinking 10
1:47:11
that they were you know thinking 10 years ago 15 years ago
1:47:13
years ago 15 years ago
1:47:13
years ago 15 years ago and some are they're learning new things
1:47:14
and some are they're learning new things
1:47:14
and some are they're learning new things in adapting and that's the key
1:47:16
in adapting and that's the key
1:47:16
in adapting and that's the key with we being a developer and software
1:47:18
with we being a developer and software
1:47:18
with we being a developer and software development is changing so fast is
1:47:21
development is changing so fast is
1:47:21
development is changing so fast is we have to be adaptable we have to learn
1:47:23
we have to be adaptable we have to learn
1:47:23
we have to be adaptable we have to learn new things we cannot just keep thinking
1:47:25
new things we cannot just keep thinking
1:47:25
new things we cannot just keep thinking our own ways
1:47:27
our own ways
1:47:27
our own ways i remember i work as a consultant
1:47:30
i remember i work as a consultant
1:47:30
i remember i work as a consultant in one of the companies and that was i
1:47:33
in one of the companies and that was i
1:47:33
in one of the companies and that was i said 2000
1:47:34
said 2000
1:47:34
said 2000 2002. and they are the guy who is
1:47:37
2002. and they are the guy who is
1:47:37
2002. and they are the guy who is supposed to be architect he was so
1:47:40
supposed to be architect he was so
1:47:40
supposed to be architect he was so rigid in his ways that my way or highway
1:47:43
rigid in his ways that my way or highway
1:47:43
rigid in his ways that my way or highway yeah everything has to be done his way
1:47:46
yeah everything has to be done his way
1:47:46
yeah everything has to be done his way and while he has to build all these
1:47:47
and while he has to build all these
1:47:48
and while he has to build all these classes and
1:47:49
classes and
1:47:49
classes and which you don't need in dotnet because
1:47:51
which you don't need in dotnet because
1:47:51
which you don't need in dotnet because at that time.net is all about okay
1:47:53
at that time.net is all about okay
1:47:54
at that time.net is all about okay build a component and launch and you
1:47:55
build a component and launch and you
1:47:55
build a component and launch and you know it was again a website
1:47:58
know it was again a website
1:47:58
know it was again a website so point i'm saying here is that we
1:48:01
so point i'm saying here is that we
1:48:01
so point i'm saying here is that we also need to adapt and that's the key
1:48:03
also need to adapt and that's the key
1:48:03
also need to adapt and that's the key otherwise you'll be obsolete
1:48:05
otherwise you'll be obsolete
1:48:05
otherwise you'll be obsolete yes and and and when you become a and
1:48:08
yes and and and when you become a and
1:48:08
yes and and and when you become a and some people like being obsolete you know
1:48:10
some people like being obsolete you know
1:48:10
some people like being obsolete you know and so what those
1:48:11
and so what those
1:48:12
and so what those developers end up and i've seen these
1:48:13
developers end up and i've seen these
1:48:13
developers end up and i've seen these developers before that they end up just
1:48:16
developers before that they end up just
1:48:16
developers before that they end up just maintaining the old crap
1:48:19
maintaining the old crap
1:48:19
maintaining the old crap and what they don't want to rewrite
1:48:21
and what they don't want to rewrite
1:48:21
and what they don't want to rewrite right so now you're stuck
1:48:22
right so now you're stuck
1:48:22
right so now you're stuck now you're stuck doing just maintenance
1:48:25
now you're stuck doing just maintenance
1:48:25
now you're stuck doing just maintenance for the next 10 years and
1:48:27
for the next 10 years and
1:48:27
for the next 10 years and you know i can't do that you know i'm
1:48:29
you know i can't do that you know i'm
1:48:29
you know i can't do that you know i'm just not that kind of developer
1:48:31
just not that kind of developer
1:48:31
just not that kind of developer yeah and if they like that it's fine if
1:48:33
yeah and if they like that it's fine if
1:48:33
yeah and if they like that it's fine if they're happy with it there's nothing
1:48:34
they're happy with it there's nothing
1:48:34
they're happy with it there's nothing wrong with it but it's just
1:48:36
wrong with it but it's just
1:48:36
wrong with it but it's just if somebody wants to grow and you know
1:48:39
if somebody wants to grow and you know
1:48:39
if somebody wants to grow and you know um that they should basically just
1:48:42
um that they should basically just
1:48:42
um that they should basically just learning is the key
1:48:44
learning is the key
1:48:44
learning is the key it is and and that's you know i say this
1:48:47
it is and and that's you know i say this
1:48:47
it is and and that's you know i say this a lot of my conference talks is if you
1:48:48
a lot of my conference talks is if you
1:48:48
a lot of my conference talks is if you want to get to my level
1:48:50
want to get to my level
1:48:50
want to get to my level right and and the amount of money that i
1:48:52
right and and the amount of money that i
1:48:52
right and and the amount of money that i make
1:48:53
make
1:48:53
make right you can't be that kind of
1:48:55
right you can't be that kind of
1:48:56
right you can't be that kind of developer we're just describing
1:48:57
developer we're just describing
1:48:57
developer we're just describing right those developers will never make a
1:49:00
right those developers will never make a
1:49:00
right those developers will never make a lot of money or go very far
1:49:02
lot of money or go very far
1:49:02
lot of money or go very far in their career if they do that right
1:49:05
in their career if they do that right
1:49:05
in their career if they do that right and that's again part of the series we
1:49:07
and that's again part of the series we
1:49:07
and that's again part of the series we are going to announce is
1:49:08
are going to announce is
1:49:08
are going to announce is fixed mindset versus growth mindset yeah
1:49:12
fixed mindset versus growth mindset yeah
1:49:12
fixed mindset versus growth mindset yeah and i and i um what was i going to say
1:49:15
and i and i um what was i going to say
1:49:15
and i and i um what was i going to say about that
1:49:16
about that
1:49:16
about that i uh i i've always
1:49:19
i uh i i've always
1:49:19
i uh i i've always i've been kicking this idea around for a
1:49:21
i've been kicking this idea around for a
1:49:21
i've been kicking this idea around for a while now because i don't see a lot of
1:49:24
while now because i don't see a lot of
1:49:24
while now because i don't see a lot of information about it but you know um
1:49:28
information about it but you know um
1:49:28
information about it but you know um how do you utilize junior developers to
1:49:31
how do you utilize junior developers to
1:49:31
how do you utilize junior developers to senior developers properly
1:49:33
senior developers properly
1:49:33
senior developers properly right because you know what i've
1:49:35
right because you know what i've
1:49:35
right because you know what i've experienced at least lately when i go in
1:49:37
experienced at least lately when i go in
1:49:37
experienced at least lately when i go in for interviews and stuff like that
1:49:39
for interviews and stuff like that
1:49:39
for interviews and stuff like that is that you know they basically want me
1:49:42
is that you know they basically want me
1:49:42
is that you know they basically want me to do junior work right yeah and
1:49:46
to do junior work right yeah and
1:49:46
to do junior work right yeah and and yes i can do that right but that's
1:49:49
and yes i can do that right but that's
1:49:49
and yes i can do that right but that's not really my expertise anymore
1:49:51
not really my expertise anymore
1:49:51
not really my expertise anymore right my expertise is designing
1:49:53
right my expertise is designing
1:49:53
right my expertise is designing solutions
1:49:54
solutions
1:49:54
solutions to problems and architecting those
1:49:57
to problems and architecting those
1:49:57
to problems and architecting those solutions and things like that because
1:49:59
solutions and things like that because
1:49:59
solutions and things like that because i've been doing this for 26 years
1:50:01
i've been doing this for 26 years
1:50:01
i've been doing this for 26 years that's what i'm better at right i i'm
1:50:03
that's what i'm better at right i i'm
1:50:04
that's what i'm better at right i i'm not
1:50:04
not
1:50:04
not better at just pounding code all day
1:50:06
better at just pounding code all day
1:50:06
better at just pounding code all day anymore i mean i did that in my
1:50:08
anymore i mean i did that in my
1:50:08
anymore i mean i did that in my you know my early years but you know i
1:50:10
you know my early years but you know i
1:50:10
you know my early years but you know i can't really do that anymore
1:50:12
can't really do that anymore
1:50:12
can't really do that anymore but it's not only that i don't really
1:50:15
but it's not only that i don't really
1:50:15
but it's not only that i don't really want to but that's not really my
1:50:16
want to but that's not really my
1:50:16
want to but that's not really my expertise
1:50:18
expertise
1:50:18
expertise right and so too many what i'm trying to
1:50:20
right and so too many what i'm trying to
1:50:20
right and so too many what i'm trying to say is too many
1:50:22
say is too many
1:50:22
say is too many employers you know want senior
1:50:24
employers you know want senior
1:50:24
employers you know want senior developers to act like junior developers
1:50:26
developers to act like junior developers
1:50:26
developers to act like junior developers and i don't think that works very well
1:50:29
and i don't think that works very well
1:50:29
and i don't think that works very well yes
1:50:29
yes
1:50:29
yes it's the manager right they're just they
1:50:31
it's the manager right they're just they
1:50:31
it's the manager right they're just they don't understand they are
1:50:34
don't understand they are
1:50:34
don't understand they are they don't understand their um people
1:50:37
they don't understand their um people
1:50:37
they don't understand their um people who what uh expertise they have on their
1:50:39
who what uh expertise they have on their
1:50:39
who what uh expertise they have on their hands right
1:50:40
hands right
1:50:40
hands right it's basically um then you're not being
1:50:43
it's basically um then you're not being
1:50:43
it's basically um then you're not being that productive you can do that
1:50:45
that productive you can do that
1:50:45
that productive you can do that i mean i remember i was hired as a
1:50:48
i mean i remember i was hired as a
1:50:48
i mean i remember i was hired as a dornet architect on
1:50:49
dornet architect on
1:50:49
dornet architect on in one company and they were making me
1:50:52
in one company and they were making me
1:50:52
in one company and they were making me do vba
1:50:53
do vba
1:50:53
do vba which is fine because i'm doing
1:50:55
which is fine because i'm doing
1:50:55
which is fine because i'm doing something so thing with consultant is
1:50:57
something so thing with consultant is
1:50:57
something so thing with consultant is good and bad
1:50:58
good and bad
1:50:58
good and bad consultant you know they see you as you
1:51:01
consultant you know they see you as you
1:51:01
consultant you know they see you as you can do anything you can solve any
1:51:02
can do anything you can solve any
1:51:02
can do anything you can solve any problem you are the genius out there so
1:51:04
problem you are the genius out there so
1:51:04
problem you are the genius out there so they'll throw everything at
1:51:05
they'll throw everything at
1:51:06
they'll throw everything at you and so i was doing vba i've never
1:51:08
you and so i was doing vba i've never
1:51:08
you and so i was doing vba i've never done
1:51:09
done
1:51:09
done i did vb to me v6 that's fine but i
1:51:11
i did vb to me v6 that's fine but i
1:51:11
i did vb to me v6 that's fine but i didn't do vba
1:51:12
didn't do vba
1:51:12
didn't do vba but then i learned vba and i come up
1:51:15
but then i learned vba and i come up
1:51:15
but then i learned vba and i come up with a better solution
1:51:16
with a better solution
1:51:16
with a better solution in excel right but but then again it's
1:51:20
in excel right but but then again it's
1:51:20
in excel right but but then again it's all about problem solving you learn
1:51:22
all about problem solving you learn
1:51:22
all about problem solving you learn to solve problem in different ways
1:51:24
to solve problem in different ways
1:51:24
to solve problem in different ways regardless of what language
1:51:26
regardless of what language
1:51:26
regardless of what language or tool you use right and that's
1:51:30
or tool you use right and that's
1:51:30
or tool you use right and that's you know i know we got to cut this but
1:51:32
you know i know we got to cut this but
1:51:32
you know i know we got to cut this but you know
1:51:34
you know
1:51:34
you know you know that always brings me back to
1:51:37
you know that always brings me back to
1:51:37
you know that always brings me back to the best pro programming course i took
1:51:40
the best pro programming course i took
1:51:40
the best pro programming course i took and it had nothing to do with
1:51:42
and it had nothing to do with
1:51:42
and it had nothing to do with programming
1:51:44
programming
1:51:44
programming it had to do with designing an
1:51:46
it had to do with designing an
1:51:46
it had to do with designing an architecting solutions
1:51:48
architecting solutions
1:51:48
architecting solutions right and you know i took that class you
1:51:52
right and you know i took that class you
1:51:52
right and you know i took that class you know a long time ago
1:51:54
know a long time ago
1:51:54
know a long time ago and i still use that class to this day
1:51:57
and i still use that class to this day
1:51:57
and i still use that class to this day right the code classes i took a long
1:51:59
right the code classes i took a long
1:51:59
right the code classes i took a long time ago
1:52:00
time ago
1:52:00
time ago i don't use any of that stuff anymore
1:52:03
i don't use any of that stuff anymore
1:52:03
i don't use any of that stuff anymore right but
1:52:04
right but
1:52:04
right but what i learned in that um it was called
1:52:07
what i learned in that um it was called
1:52:07
what i learned in that um it was called system design and analysis
1:52:09
system design and analysis
1:52:09
system design and analysis yeah and um i learned more from that
1:52:12
yeah and um i learned more from that
1:52:12
yeah and um i learned more from that one semester than i ever did anywhere
1:52:15
one semester than i ever did anywhere
1:52:15
one semester than i ever did anywhere else
1:52:16
else
1:52:16
else you know yeah i mean learn stuff that i
1:52:19
you know yeah i mean learn stuff that i
1:52:19
you know yeah i mean learn stuff that i use today
1:52:20
use today
1:52:20
use today 20 26 27 years later yeah
1:52:23
20 26 27 years later yeah
1:52:23
20 26 27 years later yeah yeah it looks like we just made a mini
1:52:27
yeah it looks like we just made a mini
1:52:27
yeah it looks like we just made a mini conference today
1:52:29
conference today
1:52:30
conference today one one question this is interesting
1:52:31
one one question this is interesting
1:52:31
one one question this is interesting question is when a junior
1:52:34
question is when a junior
1:52:34
question is when a junior becomes a senior
1:52:38
all right what do you think well
1:52:42
all right what do you think well
1:52:42
all right what do you think well if if we have to put a number right if
1:52:44
if if we have to put a number right if
1:52:44
if if we have to put a number right if we really have to put a number
1:52:47
we really have to put a number
1:52:47
we really have to put a number like we have to you know i would say if
1:52:49
like we have to you know i would say if
1:52:49
like we have to you know i would say if you're a senior developer
1:52:51
you're a senior developer
1:52:51
you're a senior developer i expect you at least at least have
1:52:55
i expect you at least at least have
1:52:55
i expect you at least at least have at least five six seven years of
1:52:58
at least five six seven years of
1:52:58
at least five six seven years of development experience
1:52:59
development experience
1:52:59
development experience five to eight is a good number okay
1:53:05
what's that and you know how to
1:53:07
what's that and you know how to
1:53:07
what's that and you know how to architect solutions
1:53:08
architect solutions
1:53:08
architect solutions right so you need to know how to sit
1:53:11
right so you need to know how to sit
1:53:11
right so you need to know how to sit down with the
1:53:12
down with the
1:53:12
down with the business people who have the
1:53:14
business people who have the
1:53:14
business people who have the requirements
1:53:15
requirements
1:53:15
requirements gather those requirements and come up
1:53:18
gather those requirements and come up
1:53:18
gather those requirements and come up with the architecture and design idea
1:53:20
with the architecture and design idea
1:53:20
with the architecture and design idea that this is how we should build that
1:53:22
that this is how we should build that
1:53:22
that this is how we should build that and then 80 percent of time you should
1:53:24
and then 80 percent of time you should
1:53:24
and then 80 percent of time you should be able to write the code because your
1:53:26
be able to write the code because your
1:53:26
be able to write the code because your developers do write code depends on
1:53:28
developers do write code depends on
1:53:28
developers do write code depends on company to company right some companies
1:53:31
company to company right some companies
1:53:31
company to company right some companies still call their developers with 20 30
1:53:33
still call their developers with 20 30
1:53:33
still call their developers with 20 30 years experience as senior developers
1:53:35
years experience as senior developers
1:53:35
years experience as senior developers yeah they're not really developers
1:53:37
yeah they're not really developers
1:53:37
yeah they're not really developers anymore they're more like a you know
1:53:39
anymore they're more like a you know
1:53:39
anymore they're more like a you know designer architect level
1:53:41
designer architect level
1:53:41
designer architect level yeah so that's my take on it
1:53:45
yeah so that's my take on it
1:53:45
yeah so that's my take on it yeah i think well i agree i think it's
1:53:48
yeah i think well i agree i think it's
1:53:48
yeah i think well i agree i think it's it's not only it's not only the length
1:53:50
it's not only it's not only the length
1:53:50
it's not only it's not only the length of time you've been
1:53:51
of time you've been
1:53:51
of time you've been in programming but also what you have
1:53:54
in programming but also what you have
1:53:54
in programming but also what you have learned and how you have grown
1:53:56
learned and how you have grown
1:53:56
learned and how you have grown right so what what you just said remind
1:53:59
right so what what you just said remind
1:53:59
right so what what you just said remind me of this
1:54:00
me of this
1:54:00
me of this senior developer i worked at i'm with 10
1:54:02
senior developer i worked at i'm with 10
1:54:02
senior developer i worked at i'm with 10 years ago who's on my team
1:54:04
years ago who's on my team
1:54:04
years ago who's on my team you know and one day i walked up to i
1:54:06
you know and one day i walked up to i
1:54:06
you know and one day i walked up to i don't know it was my manager
1:54:08
don't know it was my manager
1:54:08
don't know it was my manager and or whoever and i go what level is
1:54:10
and or whoever and i go what level is
1:54:10
and or whoever and i go what level is she at
1:54:11
she at
1:54:11
she at you know and she and they go well she's
1:54:13
you know and she and they go well she's
1:54:13
you know and she and they go well she's a senior and i go no way
1:54:17
there's no way she could be a senior and
1:54:19
there's no way she could be a senior and
1:54:19
there's no way she could be a senior and i said how does
1:54:21
i said how does
1:54:21
i said how does how is she a senior developer when she
1:54:23
how is she a senior developer when she
1:54:23
how is she a senior developer when she doesn't even know
1:54:24
doesn't even know
1:54:24
doesn't even know what senior developers know and they
1:54:26
what senior developers know and they
1:54:26
what senior developers know and they said because she's been here long enough
1:54:28
said because she's been here long enough
1:54:28
said because she's been here long enough i go
1:54:31
that's not a reason to be a senior
1:54:33
that's not a reason to be a senior
1:54:33
that's not a reason to be a senior developer
1:54:35
developer
1:54:35
developer right i mean i i agree with that it's
1:54:37
right i mean i i agree with that it's
1:54:37
right i mean i i agree with that it's not about
1:54:38
not about
1:54:38
not about how long it's more about you know
1:54:42
how long it's more about you know
1:54:42
how long it's more about you know and to learn all those things it takes a
1:54:43
and to learn all those things it takes a
1:54:44
and to learn all those things it takes a few years that's what i have to
1:54:45
few years that's what i have to
1:54:45
few years that's what i have to i was trying to explain you cannot
1:54:47
i was trying to explain you cannot
1:54:47
i was trying to explain you cannot become a senior developer in one year
1:54:48
become a senior developer in one year
1:54:48
become a senior developer in one year that's just not possible
1:54:50
that's just not possible
1:54:50
that's just not possible no yeah because you have to have certain
1:54:52
no yeah because you have to have certain
1:54:52
no yeah because you have to have certain number of
1:54:53
number of
1:54:53
number of years to experience under your belt
1:54:55
years to experience under your belt
1:54:55
years to experience under your belt before
1:54:56
before
1:54:56
before you can and then you also have to do
1:54:58
you can and then you also have to do
1:54:58
you can and then you also have to do those certain things
1:54:59
those certain things
1:54:59
those certain things yeah and i i can remember back
1:55:03
yeah and i i can remember back
1:55:03
yeah and i i can remember back like when i got more senior um
1:55:06
like when i got more senior um
1:55:06
like when i got more senior um titles and i
1:55:09
titles and i
1:55:09
titles and i you know i basically became director of
1:55:11
you know i basically became director of
1:55:11
you know i basically became director of development at proflowers.com for a
1:55:13
development at proflowers.com for a
1:55:13
development at proflowers.com for a while
1:55:14
while
1:55:14
while right and i've only been developing like
1:55:16
right and i've only been developing like
1:55:16
right and i've only been developing like six years at that point
1:55:17
six years at that point
1:55:17
six years at that point yeah right so um and they hired me as a
1:55:20
yeah right so um and they hired me as a
1:55:20
yeah right so um and they hired me as a lead
1:55:21
lead
1:55:21
lead like a year before you know so um
1:55:25
like a year before you know so um
1:55:25
like a year before you know so um i think i rose pretty quick because
1:55:27
i think i rose pretty quick because
1:55:27
i think i rose pretty quick because because of what i learned in the
1:55:29
because of what i learned in the
1:55:29
because of what i learned in the beginning about architecting solutions
1:55:31
beginning about architecting solutions
1:55:31
beginning about architecting solutions right yeah um yeah i could code good but
1:55:35
right yeah um yeah i could code good but
1:55:35
right yeah um yeah i could code good but like i said you know the difference
1:55:36
like i said you know the difference
1:55:36
like i said you know the difference between a coder
1:55:39
between a coder
1:55:39
between a coder and a senior developer or whatever you a
1:55:41
and a senior developer or whatever you a
1:55:41
and a senior developer or whatever you a professional developer
1:55:42
professional developer
1:55:42
professional developer is they can do more than just coding
1:55:45
is they can do more than just coding
1:55:45
is they can do more than just coding yeah and they can also
1:55:46
yeah and they can also
1:55:46
yeah and they can also mentor junior developers that's
1:55:49
mentor junior developers that's
1:55:49
mentor junior developers that's important
1:55:51
important
1:55:51
important yeah one job i did work at uh 10 years
1:55:54
yeah one job i did work at uh 10 years
1:55:54
yeah one job i did work at uh 10 years ago the
1:55:55
ago the
1:55:55
ago the the only good thing they did at least in
1:55:56
the only good thing they did at least in
1:55:56
the only good thing they did at least in my my department was
1:55:59
my my department was
1:55:59
my my department was you know part of my job as being the
1:56:00
you know part of my job as being the
1:56:00
you know part of my job as being the highest level software engineer could be
1:56:03
highest level software engineer could be
1:56:03
highest level software engineer could be is 20 of my time was was dedicated to
1:56:06
is 20 of my time was was dedicated to
1:56:06
is 20 of my time was was dedicated to mentoring other people
1:56:08
mentoring other people
1:56:08
mentoring other people right and and because i'm done dave
1:56:11
right and and because i'm done dave
1:56:11
right and and because i'm done dave you know there sometimes there were
1:56:13
you know there sometimes there were
1:56:13
you know there sometimes there were literally a line
1:56:15
literally a line
1:56:15
literally a line next to my cube people waiting in queue
1:56:18
next to my cube people waiting in queue
1:56:18
next to my cube people waiting in queue to ask me
1:56:19
to ask me
1:56:19
to ask me questions so
1:56:22
questions so
1:56:22
questions so i think that's very important that
1:56:24
i think that's very important that
1:56:24
i think that's very important that senior developer needs to know how to
1:56:25
senior developer needs to know how to
1:56:25
senior developer needs to know how to mentor
1:56:26
mentor
1:56:26
mentor junior developers yes and definitely
1:56:29
junior developers yes and definitely
1:56:29
junior developers yes and definitely writing
1:56:30
writing
1:56:30
writing definitely writing document documenting
1:56:32
definitely writing document documenting
1:56:32
definitely writing document documenting things
1:56:33
things
1:56:33
things requirement writing is important part
1:56:36
requirement writing is important part
1:56:36
requirement writing is important part because
1:56:37
because
1:56:37
because that's the foundation of successful
1:56:39
that's the foundation of successful
1:56:39
that's the foundation of successful product is a project is
1:56:41
product is a project is
1:56:41
product is a project is how good requirements you have you know
1:56:43
how good requirements you have you know
1:56:43
how good requirements you have you know you don't have to be right detail but as
1:56:45
you don't have to be right detail but as
1:56:45
you don't have to be right detail but as long as understanding
1:56:46
long as understanding
1:56:46
long as understanding what you're building yeah and i'd like
1:56:49
what you're building yeah and i'd like
1:56:49
what you're building yeah and i'd like to add to that
1:56:50
to add to that
1:56:50
to add to that but one sentence is not a requirement
1:56:53
but one sentence is not a requirement
1:56:53
but one sentence is not a requirement yeah i've had fights with pms about this
1:56:57
yeah i've had fights with pms about this
1:56:57
yeah i've had fights with pms about this you know they would literally give me a
1:57:00
you know they would literally give me a
1:57:00
you know they would literally give me a sentence and say
1:57:01
sentence and say
1:57:01
sentence and say how long will i take what
1:57:06
how long will i take what
1:57:06
how long will i take what what have you been smoking you know like
1:57:08
what have you been smoking you know like
1:57:08
what have you been smoking you know like how am i supposed to do an estimate
1:57:10
how am i supposed to do an estimate
1:57:10
how am i supposed to do an estimate one sentence you know yeah you know
1:57:14
one sentence you know yeah you know
1:57:14
one sentence you know yeah you know that's
1:57:14
that's
1:57:14
that's that's ridiculous i am you know if
1:57:16
that's ridiculous i am you know if
1:57:16
that's ridiculous i am you know if somebody comes to me
1:57:17
somebody comes to me
1:57:17
somebody comes to me and you know say oh i want to build this
1:57:20
and you know say oh i want to build this
1:57:20
and you know say oh i want to build this this app
1:57:22
this app
1:57:22
this app some it's literally some people will
1:57:24
some it's literally some people will
1:57:24
some it's literally some people will come and say i want to build an app like
1:57:26
come and say i want to build an app like
1:57:26
come and say i want to build an app like a
1:57:26
a
1:57:26
a facebook how long it's going to take and
1:57:30
facebook how long it's going to take and
1:57:30
facebook how long it's going to take and how much
1:57:31
how much
1:57:31
how much like maybe a few years and few million
1:57:34
like maybe a few years and few million
1:57:34
like maybe a few years and few million so i don't you can't give the exact
1:57:36
so i don't you can't give the exact
1:57:36
so i don't you can't give the exact answer your answer should be the same
1:57:37
answer your answer should be the same
1:57:38
answer your answer should be the same way
1:57:38
way
1:57:38
way like you know probably you know
1:57:41
like you know probably you know
1:57:42
like you know probably you know well you know at this company 10 years
1:57:44
well you know at this company 10 years
1:57:44
well you know at this company 10 years ago they would complain to me because
1:57:46
ago they would complain to me because
1:57:46
ago they would complain to me because they would say you know dave why are
1:57:48
they would say you know dave why are
1:57:48
they would say you know dave why are your estimates so much higher than
1:57:49
your estimates so much higher than
1:57:49
your estimates so much higher than everybody else's
1:57:51
everybody else's
1:57:51
everybody else's you know and i said well because i know
1:57:54
you know and i said well because i know
1:57:54
you know and i said well because i know things are going to happen to slow it
1:57:56
things are going to happen to slow it
1:57:56
things are going to happen to slow it down right i put in time for unit
1:57:58
down right i put in time for unit
1:57:58
down right i put in time for unit testing
1:57:59
testing
1:57:59
testing i put in time for documentation which
1:58:01
i put in time for documentation which
1:58:01
i put in time for documentation which most people don't
1:58:02
most people don't
1:58:02
most people don't right so that's why mine's higher right
1:58:05
right so that's why mine's higher right
1:58:05
right so that's why mine's higher right and i do a little
1:58:05
and i do a little
1:58:06
and i do a little extra padding because it's always better
1:58:08
extra padding because it's always better
1:58:08
extra padding because it's always better to
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to
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to uh uh you know under promise and over
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uh uh you know under promise and over
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uh uh you know under promise and over deliver
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deliver
1:58:13
deliver right yep so i was in a meeting with i'm
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right yep so i was in a meeting with i'm
1:58:17
right yep so i was in a meeting with i'm adviser on this one company
1:58:19
adviser on this one company
1:58:19
adviser on this one company healthcare company and i've been meeting
1:58:21
healthcare company and i've been meeting
1:58:21
healthcare company and i've been meeting with the cio cto and some developers
1:58:25
with the cio cto and some developers
1:58:25
with the cio cto and some developers and you know the owner comes and say we
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and you know the owner comes and say we
1:58:27
and you know the owner comes and say we need to build this
1:58:29
need to build this
1:58:29
need to build this you know voice enable alexa app how long
1:58:31
you know voice enable alexa app how long
1:58:31
you know voice enable alexa app how long it's going to take
1:58:32
it's going to take
1:58:32
it's going to take and then developers and obviously junior
1:58:34
and then developers and obviously junior
1:58:34
and then developers and obviously junior we are we more we jump right developer
1:58:36
we are we more we jump right developer
1:58:36
we are we more we jump right developer says uh
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says uh
1:58:36
says uh take me a few hours to write apis maybe
1:58:39
take me a few hours to write apis maybe
1:58:39
take me a few hours to write apis maybe two days
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two days
1:58:40
two days and one day and she asked me like does
1:58:42
and one day and she asked me like does
1:58:42
and one day and she asked me like does this make sense i like maybe i would say
1:58:44
this make sense i like maybe i would say
1:58:44
this make sense i like maybe i would say two three weeks
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like why your estimate so high is like
1:58:50
like why your estimate so high is like
1:58:50
like why your estimate so high is like because
1:58:51
because
1:58:51
because because i know what is going to build we
1:58:53
because i know what is going to build we
1:58:53
because i know what is going to build we have to probably test it you have to
1:58:54
have to probably test it you have to
1:58:54
have to probably test it you have to deploy it performance has to be checked
1:58:57
deploy it performance has to be checked
1:58:57
deploy it performance has to be checked and but based on ic your requirements
1:58:59
and but based on ic your requirements
1:58:59
and but based on ic your requirements you deploy an aws
1:59:02
you deploy an aws
1:59:02
you deploy an aws so that's what all those things combined
1:59:04
so that's what all those things combined
1:59:04
so that's what all those things combined right
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right
1:59:06
right it is and
1:59:09
it is and
1:59:09
it is and the senior developers know how to put
1:59:11
the senior developers know how to put
1:59:11
the senior developers know how to put that into their estimates
1:59:12
that into their estimates
1:59:12
that into their estimates right yeah they know what problems will
1:59:15
right yeah they know what problems will
1:59:15
right yeah they know what problems will come especially junior guys writing code
1:59:17
come especially junior guys writing code
1:59:17
come especially junior guys writing code you know
1:59:17
you know
1:59:18
you know it's probably not going to be you know
1:59:19
it's probably not going to be you know
1:59:19
it's probably not going to be you know you have to probably test it and
1:59:21
you have to probably test it and
1:59:21
you have to probably test it and say this is not going to work yeah yeah
1:59:23
say this is not going to work yeah yeah
1:59:23
say this is not going to work yeah yeah but if
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but if
1:59:24
but if but if your pm gives you one sentence
1:59:26
but if your pm gives you one sentence
1:59:26
but if your pm gives you one sentence requirement and you just go back to your
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requirement and you just go back to your
1:59:28
requirement and you just go back to your desk and start coding
1:59:30
desk and start coding
1:59:30
desk and start coding no that's not the way you do it you know
1:59:34
no that's not the way you do it you know
1:59:34
no that's not the way you do it you know you have to you have to come up with the
1:59:36
you have to you have to come up with the
1:59:36
you have to you have to come up with the design first you know because
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design first you know because
1:59:38
design first you know because coming up you know and i always say this
1:59:40
coming up you know and i always say this
1:59:40
coming up you know and i always say this in my classes in conference talks
1:59:42
in my classes in conference talks
1:59:42
in my classes in conference talks is putting a little bit more effort up
1:59:44
is putting a little bit more effort up
1:59:44
is putting a little bit more effort up front will save you
1:59:45
front will save you
1:59:45
front will save you a lot in the background yes
1:59:48
a lot in the background yes
1:59:48
a lot in the background yes a lot yeah and then um
1:59:52
a lot yeah and then um
1:59:52
a lot yeah and then um one thing i want to add more to it looks
1:59:55
one thing i want to add more to it looks
1:59:55
one thing i want to add more to it looks like there's a few people
1:59:56
like there's a few people
1:59:56
like there's a few people still watching us like what's going on
1:59:59
still watching us like what's going on
1:59:59
still watching us like what's going on guys
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guys
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guys get out of here um
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get out of here um
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get out of here um so what i was going to say is that
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so what i was going to say is that
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so what i was going to say is that when i see a lot of people complain that
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when i see a lot of people complain that
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when i see a lot of people complain that oh i'm not happy with my project
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oh i'm not happy with my project
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oh i'm not happy with my project leader or my manager and all that or my
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leader or my manager and all that or my
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leader or my manager and all that or my company even
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company even
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company even i don't there's so many jobs out there
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i don't there's so many jobs out there
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i don't there's so many jobs out there if you are good enough and you're not
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if you are good enough and you're not
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if you are good enough and you're not happy with your job
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happy with your job
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happy with your job find another one and something else that
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find another one and something else that
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find another one and something else that makes you happy don't complain
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makes you happy don't complain
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makes you happy don't complain okay it's just basically if you're
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okay it's just basically if you're
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okay it's just basically if you're complaining that means you're just lazy
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complaining that means you're just lazy
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complaining that means you're just lazy yeah it's that simple if you're not
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yeah it's that simple if you're not
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yeah it's that simple if you're not happy you don't like what you see
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happy you don't like what you see
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happy you don't like what you see uh either you talk to them that hey if
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uh either you talk to them that hey if
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uh either you talk to them that hey if they're smart enough they will give you
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they're smart enough they will give you
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they're smart enough they will give you a better job what you like and what
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a better job what you like and what
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a better job what you like and what you're passionate about
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you're passionate about
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you're passionate about so you can be more productive right
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so you can be more productive right
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so you can be more productive right because it's not good for a company
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because it's not good for a company
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because it's not good for a company or your home your boss anyway if you're
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or your home your boss anyway if you're
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or your home your boss anyway if you're doing something you don't like
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doing something you don't like
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doing something you don't like yeah and you know i did a survey a while
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yeah and you know i did a survey a while
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yeah and you know i did a survey a while ago on twitter
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ago on twitter
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ago on twitter asking people you know no on my uh
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asking people you know no on my uh
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asking people you know no on my uh coding standards uh
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coding standards uh
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coding standards uh form you know i asked people you know um
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form you know i asked people you know um
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form you know i asked people you know um you know how long do you typically stay
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you know how long do you typically stay
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you know how long do you typically stay in a position right
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in a position right
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in a position right and and the average was two to five
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and and the average was two to five
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and and the average was two to five years yeah right
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years yeah right
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years yeah right and you know my average is around two
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and you know my average is around two
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and you know my average is around two years
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years
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years right because i go in i do my work and
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right because i go in i do my work and
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right because i go in i do my work and then they go into maintenance mode so i
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then they go into maintenance mode so i
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then they go into maintenance mode so i go somewhere else
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go somewhere else
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go somewhere else right i'm not a maintenance mode person
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right i'm not a maintenance mode person
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right i'm not a maintenance mode person right i'm an architect
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right i'm an architect
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right i'm an architect and so and especially you know i can
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and so and especially you know i can
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and so and especially you know i can only speak about america but you know in
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only speak about america but you know in
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only speak about america but you know in america we have a
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america we have a
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america we have a a major shortage of developers right
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a major shortage of developers right
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a major shortage of developers right and um and unfortunately
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and um and unfortunately
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and um and unfortunately too many bad developers are being hired
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too many bad developers are being hired
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too many bad developers are being hired because of that so
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because of that so
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because of that so yeah if you're a good developer you can
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yeah if you're a good developer you can
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yeah if you're a good developer you can write your own ticket if you just put
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write your own ticket if you just put
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write your own ticket if you just put some effort into it
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some effort into it
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some effort into it right yeah they're saying um
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right yeah they're saying um
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right yeah they're saying um there's going to be this shortage of
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there's going to be this shortage of
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there's going to be this shortage of millions already but there's going to be
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millions already but there's going to be
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millions already but there's going to be more shortage in coming years
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more shortage in coming years
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more shortage in coming years and it's growing it's growing yeah yeah
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and it's growing it's growing yeah yeah
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and it's growing it's growing yeah yeah i
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i
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i the first time i heard about this was
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the first time i heard about this was
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the first time i heard about this was years ago i think right around
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years ago i think right around
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years ago i think right around um when bing was being uh was starting
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um when bing was being uh was starting
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um when bing was being uh was starting right yeah and not how long ago that was
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right yeah and not how long ago that was
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right yeah and not how long ago that was but you know i was at the mvp summit
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but you know i was at the mvp summit
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but you know i was at the mvp summit and the guy from uh basically the guy
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and the guy from uh basically the guy
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and the guy from uh basically the guy who ran bing told us that
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who ran bing told us that
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who ran bing told us that right yeah and uh and it's coming it's
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right yeah and uh and it's coming it's
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right yeah and uh and it's coming it's come true
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come true
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come true you know yeah he told us he showed i
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you know yeah he told us he showed i
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you know yeah he told us he showed i think he showed us a graph
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think he showed us a graph
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think he showed us a graph exactly what's what's going to happen
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exactly what's what's going to happen
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exactly what's what's going to happen and that's what's happening and that's
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and that's what's happening and that's
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and that's what's happening and that's why
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why
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why you know a lot of people including bill
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you know a lot of people including bill
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you know a lot of people including bill gates is trying to get
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gates is trying to get
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gates is trying to get you know our laws change so we can get
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you know our laws change so we can get
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you know our laws change so we can get more international developers because we
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more international developers because we
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more international developers because we don't have enough here
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don't have enough here
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don't have enough here right yeah and there is one more reason
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right yeah and there is one more reason
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right yeah and there is one more reason also these uh
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also these uh
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also these uh low code no code tools are growing right
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low code no code tools are growing right
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low code no code tools are growing right right because
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right because
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right because we don't have enough developers right so
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we don't have enough developers right so
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we don't have enough developers right so companies have built these products okay
2:02:47
companies have built these products okay
2:02:48
companies have built these products okay so we don't have developers to have code
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so we don't have developers to have code
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so we don't have developers to have code fast enough or enough
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fast enough or enough
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fast enough or enough well let's use some of these tools to at
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well let's use some of these tools to at
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well let's use some of these tools to at least build systems
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you know somebody's got to put the
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you know somebody's got to put the
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you know somebody's got to put the effort into it
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effort into it
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effort into it and uh and make things tie together
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and uh and make things tie together
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and uh and make things tie together easier
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easier
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easier you know and you know like i said
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you know and you know like i said
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you know and you know like i said earlier in my talk you know that you
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earlier in my talk you know that you
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earlier in my talk you know that you know
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know
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know i think azure is the easier cloud to
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i think azure is the easier cloud to
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i think azure is the easier cloud to deal with you know because
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deal with you know because
2:03:10
deal with you know because things connect a lot better to each
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things connect a lot better to each
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things connect a lot better to each other you know
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other you know
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other you know and it's pretty easy i mean azure is
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and it's pretty easy i mean azure is
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and it's pretty easy i mean azure is getting
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getting
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getting overly complicated um
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overly complicated um
2:03:21
overly complicated um but you know generally things just tie
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but you know generally things just tie
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but you know generally things just tie together very well in azure
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together very well in azure
2:03:27
together very well in azure you know yeah and
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you know yeah and
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you know yeah and if you are microsoft definitely your
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if you are microsoft definitely your
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if you are microsoft definitely your background is microsoft that makes sense
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background is microsoft that makes sense
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background is microsoft that makes sense yeah
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yeah
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yeah well i mean but that's the one thing
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well i mean but that's the one thing
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well i mean but that's the one thing that i've really liked about azure since
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that i've really liked about azure since
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that i've really liked about azure since the beginning
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the beginning
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the beginning is they've always embraced other
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is they've always embraced other
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is they've always embraced other technology technologies
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technology technologies
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technology technologies right i mean look you can run down that
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right i mean look you can run down that
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right i mean look you can run down that on linux now
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on linux now
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on linux now right so mike unlike other companies you
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right so mike unlike other companies you
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right so mike unlike other companies you know out there
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know out there
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know out there apple right microsoft embraces
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apple right microsoft embraces
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apple right microsoft embraces other technologies and brings them into
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other technologies and brings them into
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other technologies and brings them into the ecosystem and
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the ecosystem and
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the ecosystem and instead of saying no you have to use
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instead of saying no you have to use
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instead of saying no you have to use objective-c or you
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objective-c or you
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objective-c or you forget you you know yeah so
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yeah i gotta get to work yeah we need
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yeah i gotta get to work yeah we need
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yeah i gotta get to work yeah we need we need to get work too when there's
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we need to get work too when there's
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we need to get work too when there's real work i i got to uh
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real work i i got to uh
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real work i i got to uh uh commute to work oh
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oh you want to go to outside come back
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oh you want to go to outside come back
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oh you want to go to outside come back into your room
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into your room
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into your room i'll go on my patio and come back yep
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i'll go on my patio and come back yep
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i'll go on my patio and come back yep there's my commute
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there's my commute
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there's my commute yeah i think where i'm working they're
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yeah i think where i'm working they're
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yeah i think where i'm working they're not even planning on any of us come in
2:04:38
not even planning on any of us come in
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not even planning on any of us come in this year at all
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this year at all
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this year at all so no most of our work is all remote and
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so no most of our work is all remote and
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so no most of our work is all remote and companies
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companies
2:04:43
companies they're getting work done so nobody
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they're getting work done so nobody
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they're getting work done so nobody cares really
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cares really
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cares really yeah and more work microsoft has already
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yeah and more work microsoft has already
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yeah and more work microsoft has already proven that more work is getting done
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proven that more work is getting done
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proven that more work is getting done you know yes yeah and i've always
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you know yes yeah and i've always
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you know yes yeah and i've always believed in remote
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believed in remote
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believed in remote uh work and uh especially now that i've
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uh work and uh especially now that i've
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uh work and uh especially now that i've been doing it full-time for
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been doing it full-time for
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been doing it full-time for like eight years or so and you know one
2:05:00
like eight years or so and you know one
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like eight years or so and you know one of the things
2:05:01
of the things
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of the things you know that i've have found in
2:05:02
you know that i've have found in
2:05:02
you know that i've have found in southern california at least is southern
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southern california at least is southern
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southern california at least is southern california doesn't
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california doesn't
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california doesn't really embrace uh remote work very well
2:05:08
really embrace uh remote work very well
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really embrace uh remote work very well um
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um
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um like the current job i had i have
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like the current job i had i have
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like the current job i had i have i waited for because it was the only job
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i waited for because it was the only job
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i waited for because it was the only job i could find
2:05:15
i could find
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i could find in the area that let me work at home
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in the area that let me work at home
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in the area that let me work at home yeah yeah
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yeah yeah
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yeah yeah yeah but you know the one thing that
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yeah but you know the one thing that
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yeah but you know the one thing that i've hoped which i think is happening
2:05:22
i've hoped which i think is happening
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i've hoped which i think is happening now
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now
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now is that you know all of us being forced
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is that you know all of us being forced
2:05:26
is that you know all of us being forced to work remote and being forced to
2:05:28
to work remote and being forced to
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to work remote and being forced to to use you know uh uh
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to use you know uh uh
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to use you know uh uh teams and microsoft teams or google chat
2:05:34
teams and microsoft teams or google chat
2:05:34
teams and microsoft teams or google chat or whatever
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or whatever
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or whatever are seeing that it works right
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are seeing that it works right
2:05:38
are seeing that it works right so i'm hoping you know more companies
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so i'm hoping you know more companies
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so i'm hoping you know more companies will go well maybe
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will go well maybe
2:05:42
will go well maybe we don't need all the developers here
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we don't need all the developers here
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we don't need all the developers here you know yes because
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you know yes because
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you know yes because they save money yeah you know they save
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they save money yeah you know they save
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they save money yeah you know they save a ton of money if their developers get
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a ton of money if their developers get
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a ton of money if their developers get to work at home
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to work at home
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to work at home right yeah and there's a lot of a lot of
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right yeah and there's a lot of a lot of
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right yeah and there's a lot of a lot of building leases are not being renewed
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building leases are not being renewed
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building leases are not being renewed already uh
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already uh
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already uh yeah i'm already in talk with some
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yeah i'm already in talk with some
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yeah i'm already in talk with some companies we work with
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companies we work with
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companies we work with like we're not renewing all the leads
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like we're not renewing all the leads
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like we're not renewing all the leads next year so it's going to just work
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next year so it's going to just work
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next year so it's going to just work from home
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from home
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from home um yeah yeah but you know
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um yeah yeah but you know
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um yeah yeah but you know i will say if my teammates are on the
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i will say if my teammates are on the
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i will say if my teammates are on the call you know
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call you know
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call you know i know one of them was but you know i
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i know one of them was but you know i
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i know one of them was but you know i will say i really do miss seeing my
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will say i really do miss seeing my
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will say i really do miss seeing my teammates you know
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teammates you know
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teammates you know because i would go into the office once
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because i would go into the office once
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because i would go into the office once a week just for our thursday meetings
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a week just for our thursday meetings
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a week just for our thursday meetings uh we had a afternoon meeting every
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uh we had a afternoon meeting every
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uh we had a afternoon meeting every thursday so i would go
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thursday so i would go
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thursday so i would go down two exits away on the highway from
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down two exits away on the highway from
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down two exits away on the highway from me and go to work
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me and go to work
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me and go to work and uh and and hang out with them you
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and uh and and hang out with them you
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and uh and and hang out with them you know and
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know and
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know and and that was good you know and then i
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and that was good you know and then i
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and that was good you know and then i worked the rest of the week at home
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worked the rest of the week at home
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worked the rest of the week at home and um but now we haven't seen each
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and um but now we haven't seen each
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and um but now we haven't seen each other since march
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other since march
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other since march you know so um i do miss them but
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you know so um i do miss them but
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you know so um i do miss them but you know we are getting more work done
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you know we are getting more work done
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you know we are getting more work done yeah and simon works from home every day
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my job is fun all right guys
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my job is fun all right guys
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my job is fun all right guys your job is making fun of other people
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your job is making fun of other people
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your job is making fun of other people so that's great
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so that's great
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so that's great i think during this whole pandemic i've
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i think during this whole pandemic i've
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i think during this whole pandemic i've only put gas in my car twice
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only put gas in my car twice
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only put gas in my car twice oh what is god a car
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yeah my my car has my car has dirt
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yeah my my car has my car has dirt
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yeah my my car has my car has dirt cobwebs on it now they're not real ones
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cobwebs on it now they're not real ones
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cobwebs on it now they're not real ones they're the dirt ones
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they're the dirt ones
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they're the dirt ones i think i forgot how to dry it
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all right guys all right
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yeah i think it's trying to wrap up uh
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yeah i think it's trying to wrap up uh
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yeah i think it's trying to wrap up uh following with this session
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following with this session
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following with this session uh even during the weekends and for the
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uh even during the weekends and for the
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uh even during the weekends and for the next dp keep on having
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next dp keep on having
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next dp keep on having these are my assistant mvp show uh ama
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these are my assistant mvp show uh ama
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these are my assistant mvp show uh ama shows
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shows
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shows coffee with pros and the next big that's
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coffee with pros and the next big that's
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coffee with pros and the next big that's happening is the react virtual
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happening is the react virtual
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happening is the react virtual conference
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conference
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conference that is scheduled for 11th of september
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that is scheduled for 11th of september
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that is scheduled for 11th of september happening at 10 a.m
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happening at 10 a.m
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happening at 10 a.m eastern time so we'll tune with that
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eastern time so we'll tune with that
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eastern time so we'll tune with that event too
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event too
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event too so having said that everyone who has
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so having said that everyone who has
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so having said that everyone who has joined thank you so much and thank you
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joined thank you so much and thank you
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joined thank you so much and thank you to mahesh and david for your mini
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to mahesh and david for your mini
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to mahesh and david for your mini conference
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conference
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conference anytime i'm here i'm not doing anything
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anytime i'm here i'm not doing anything
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anytime i'm here i'm not doing anything so
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