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Flyers Training Camp Battles - Who’s In, Who’s Out? | Flyperbole Clips
Aug 29, 2025
The Flyers 2025 Training Camp is right around the corner. Steve & Quigz field some questions from the BSH Discord about players who may/may not make the team, who has the most to prove, and what the general vibe is going into Rick Tocchet's first training camp as Flyers head coach. This clip is from Flyperbole Ep. 417: https://youtu.be/ZC7u6qcNZWc Join our Discord! https://discord.com/invite/yJ2WtJT3Jm #nhl #hockey #flyers #letsgoflyers #philadelphia #sports #philadelphiaflyers Broad Street Hockey is the top place for independent coverage of the Philadelphia Flyers and the hockey world at large. 𝑹𝑬𝑨𝑫: https://www.broadstreethockey.com/ 𝑴𝑬𝑹𝑪𝑯: https://broad-street-hockey.myspreadshop.com/ 𝙎𝙋𝙊𝙏𝙄𝙁𝙔: https://open.spotify.com/show/5k5IfqqGTBdJmcqdZ6nF91 𝘼𝙋𝙋𝙇𝙀: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/broad-street-hockey/id1708766515 𝙏𝙒𝙄𝙏𝙏𝙀𝙍: https://twitter.com/BroadStHockey 𝙄𝙉𝙎𝙏𝘼𝙂𝙍𝘼𝙈: https://www.instagram.com/broadsthockey/ 𝙏𝙄𝙆𝙏𝙊𝙆: https://www.tiktok.com/@broadsthockey
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So, I was actually going to move into
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So, training camp is almost here.
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There's still not a date for it, which
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is annoying as but it's almost
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here. I think uh Rick Tocket is just too
0:12
joyful about having an actual training
0:15
facility here as opposed to Vancouver,
0:17
which apparent Yeah, I guess that's
0:19
pretty cool. Pretty cool, guys. We have
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a training facility. And uh he's just
0:24
soaking it all in, right? He's getting
0:26
ready for that moment. and he's doing
0:27
secret training camp right now, but the
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first preseason game is September 21st,
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which is less than a month away.
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So, at some point soon, it's going to be
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training camp. And uh our buddy Kyle,
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who's been doing some fantastic videos
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for Broad Street Hockey over on the
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YouTube channel. Please like and
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subscribe, all that fun stuff. Uh Kyle
0:50
went over into the Discord, which uh I
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apologize for not frequenting as much,
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but I also am a very busy man and I'm
0:58
tired and I'm also have social anxiety.
1:02
I don't know. But Kyle went into the
1:05
Discord and was nice enough to get a
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couple of questions from people about
1:09
the Philadelphia hockey flyers for us,
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which we can use to kill out most of the
1:13
rest of the show.
1:14
We sure could.
1:14
We sure can. So the first one is from I
1:18
think this is JRo says pre-amp
1:20
prediction who is the surprise player
1:22
who does or does not make the team who
1:25
has the most to prove in camp.
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It's a good question. So the first So
1:30
the first thing that comes to mind is
1:33
Tyson Forester has hinted that he might
1:35
be ready for the beginning of the season
1:37
cuz there were reports that Tyson
1:39
Forester would not be ready and then
1:41
he's been having some Instagram teases
1:43
about it. And if Tyson Forester wasn't
1:46
going to be ready, it was it seemed
1:48
pretty obvious that one of either Alex
1:50
Bump or Miky Grabbankin were going to
1:54
make the team out of camp. And that was
1:57
pretty exciting to see a new guy. I
1:58
mean, it'd be a bummer to miss Forester
2:00
uh early in the season, but it'd be
2:02
exciting to get one of those guys in
2:04
sometime. Now, Forester, if he's going
2:08
to play, if he's going to be in there,
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it makes it a lot more difficult for one
2:11
of those guys to make the big team out
2:13
of camp. Bump seems like the most
2:15
obvious one right now. Uh everybody was
2:17
really impressed with him in the
2:19
prospects camp. Uh they were they love
2:22
his drive. I love the shit-talking he's
2:24
done. So Bump seems like a guy who will
2:27
probably make it, but I'm not going to
2:30
be totally shocked if he does not make
2:34
it at this point.
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Yeah. Um
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I I my mind immediately went to Bump and
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also Jet Lechenko, which I feel like
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there's just like some pe it's weird. I
2:48
feel like there's either some people who
2:49
think that he's a shoein to make the
2:51
team and then people who are like, "No,
2:53
he's going to go back to junior." No one
2:55
wants him to go back to junior. That
2:56
would suck.
2:57
His junior's team is total hot fried
2:59
ass,
3:00
right? Yeah. So, I I would rather him
3:01
just like make the team and you know,
3:04
but also that's tough because it's like
3:05
what if he's not ready? But you also
3:08
like well if we send him back that's not
3:09
going to help him either. It's kind of
3:10
like you're between a rock and a hard
3:12
place. So, I don't know. It's a shame
3:14
it's not next year because I heard
3:16
mention that they were going to alter
3:19
the agreement where like
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I don't know guys of a certain age could
3:23
play in the AHL instead now or something
3:25
like that. So like if he could play in
3:27
the AHL that'd be perfect. I think Jet
3:29
in the AHL would be killer but
3:32
I would prefer to see him in the NHL
3:34
over his junior's team. I think at this
3:37
point a lot's going to depend too on if
3:40
they really want to try Zegress out at
3:42
center or not. Because if you have
3:45
Zegris at center that really changes
3:47
your lineup drastically because let me
3:50
just pull up daily faceoff real quick
3:51
and see what they're projecting for the
3:54
Flyers lineup right now.
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Yeah,
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cuz
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well I those those lineups
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it's something it just gives me it gives
4:01
me an idea, right? Yeah.
4:03
So like right now they have Mishkov,
4:05
Couttoriier, Kenki on the top line.
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Zegra's at left wing, D'vorak center and
4:11
Tippet right wing on the second line.
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Forester Kates Brink third line because
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if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And
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then Deloreier Abull's Hathaway on the
4:22
fourth line there. Um which I think I'm
4:26
okay with any of those guys not making
4:28
the team. Um, Deloreier, I believe this
4:31
is his last year of his contract. He's
4:33
going to be there, but he's going to be
4:34
eating flyers shaped pretzels in the box
4:35
and he's fine with it. That's what his
4:37
role is.
4:37
Yeah.
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Rodrigo Bulls is an interesting one
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because
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I think he's fine. Like, I like him. I
4:45
know some of our our BSH compad
4:47
compatriots over here are real big
4:50
Rodrigo fans. I think he's a chromulent
4:53
fourthline center, but
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yeah. Uh, I would much prefer to see a
4:58
Jet Luchenko in there over a Bulls. Uh,
5:01
and the same thing like if that was Bump
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and
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Jet, I'm pretty happy about that. But
5:08
yeah,
5:09
I also at the same time like I'd prefer
5:10
for Jet to be getting like third line
5:13
minutes. But it's tough because while
5:15
you don't have great center depth, you
5:17
did sign D'vorak who's going to be a
5:19
solid guy to slot in there.
5:22
Yeah. No, I agree. I I think you're
5:24
right. I I will say I'm not crazy about
5:27
D'vorak as like a 2C. He's like a
5:31
perfect threeC in my opinion. Um
5:34
I think you're more likely. Yeah. I
5:36
don't know. It depends on if they want
5:37
to break up the Kate's Forester or Brink
5:39
line, which the thing is that was under
5:41
a previous coaching regime. So, right,
5:43
there's no bias about the lines being
5:46
set up at any way with these guys coming
5:48
in. Like it's all new, which is very
5:50
exciting to me.
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another guy and I'm actually gonna kind
5:54
of shift gears real fast and talk about
5:56
someone who has a lot to prove. Um,
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I think it's Emil Andre.
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Like he really I really want to see him
6:06
have a big big camp
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and I want him to kind of I want him to
6:12
force the fly. Like I want him to be
6:14
like,
6:15
you know, Igor Zamula,
6:18
he can't be in the lineup over me. Like
6:20
you have to have me playing. I'm that
6:23
good. like
6:24
and Noah, don't forget about Noah
6:26
Jollesen, who I've forgotten about many
6:28
times,
6:29
right? I just I feel like this has to be
6:33
the summer where Emil Andre says, "Nope,
6:36
I'm ready to go. Let's like I think he
6:38
really needs to have a good training
6:39
camp. I think he needs to play well in
6:41
these preseason games." I think he this
6:44
is kind of a huge year for him, so I
6:46
think he has a ton to prove. I think he
6:48
has to prove that he's that he is worthy
6:50
of a spot in the NHL. Um, and because I
6:54
mean it, you know, on you could argue
6:56
that Zamula also has a lot to prove,
6:57
which he does. He certainly does, but he
7:00
isn't, um, I believe he's not waiver
7:04
exempt. Um, so like if they wave him,
7:08
uh, actually he's an RFA. He's, uh, so I
7:10
guess like technically they could I
7:13
can't remember how all that works, but
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um,
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I really don't care about I don't care
7:18
about vape over there. like
7:19
yeah, I don't really
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if he plays he doesn't play like it
7:22
doesn't matter much to me. Uh the
7:25
defense is interesting because there's
7:26
really only like one or two slots
7:29
depending on your opin opinion of Zamula
7:31
available there and it comes down to so
7:35
Andre is fascinating. I think Helj Heljs
7:39
is really interesting as a big body
7:42
right-handed defender. I thought he
7:44
looked pretty good when he played for
7:45
the Flyers with a cup of coffee last
7:47
year. So, I could see Grant maybe
7:49
sneaking into the conversation.
7:52
Yeah, I could see that, too. But like I
7:56
really want it to be Andre because I
7:58
I'm missing Risto from my lineup. I'm
8:00
looking at I'm like there's a name
8:01
missing here and it's Rrista Lion who's
8:03
a giant question mark. Who knows where
8:06
in the world is even know what's going
8:08
on. Yeah. Like we don't know what his
8:10
situation is. We don't know how bad the
8:12
injury is when he's when he's I mean is
8:14
is he skating right now? No one knows.
8:16
So, um, yeah, it's kind of interesting,
8:19
but I I would really
8:20
and that's a big difference maker for
8:22
the Flyers.
8:23
It is, but overall, I Yeah, I would
8:25
really like to see Emil Andre have a big
8:27
summer. That would be cool.
8:29
That would be cool. I would love to see
8:31
Emil Andre get in there. So, yeah, I
8:33
think um Andre could be a surprise
8:34
player who does make the team. I think
8:37
Gr could definitely be a surprise make
8:39
it in there. And I would be surprised if
8:41
Bump doesn't make it, but
8:44
it's really going to depend on if he has
8:46
another if his NH if he can keep up with
8:49
the NHL competition like he has with the
8:51
AHL competition because when he's played
8:53
with guys his age, he's looked good. But
8:56
NHL is a different game. It's completely
8:58
like speedwise, physicalitywise, like
9:01
that. That's part of the reason why I'm
9:03
so, you know, psyched about Mishkoff
9:06
year, too, is he's gotten a taste of
9:08
this and he's like, "All right, now I
9:10
know what this is about and I know how
9:12
to prepare my body for the grind of a
9:14
full season." And is Bump ready for that
9:17
grind? Is he ready to jump into that? I
9:19
hope he is, but I I'd be surprised if he
9:21
doesn't make it, but yeah. So, yeah, I
9:23
think those are guys to definitely
9:24
consider. So, good question from uh JRo
9:26
there.
9:27
Yeah. Yeah, that was a good uh little
9:29
little uh think tank for us. So, like
9:33
BJ and next up we have BJ Wanland who
9:36
said, "What's the general preseason vibe
9:39
surrounding the Flyers?" So, that's an
9:43
interesting one because I feel like this
9:45
team between the Phillies being in their
9:48
playoff push right now because the
9:50
Phillies are, you know, they got another
9:52
month basically of baseball. They're
9:53
playing as we record this against the
9:56
second place Mets. Phillies are in
9:57
first. Mets are in second. Uh Mets suck.
9:59
Uh sorry, Kyle, but not sorry. Uh but
10:02
you know, the Phillies are in a big race
10:04
right now. They're missing their top
10:06
player, but there's a lot of talk, a lot
10:07
of hype around the Phillies. The Eagles
10:09
are defending champs and they're about
10:10
to start back up. So, the Flyers and the
10:13
Sixers are kind of a a fascinating train
10:15
wreck. So, the Flyers are real under the
10:18
radar team. Uh I think
10:21
I don't really know what the vibes are
10:23
with Tocket yet. That's my biggest
10:25
question mark. I think this team is
10:27
loose. I think this team's going to have
10:29
fun this year. I think they have some
10:31
fun personalities. I I think this team
10:33
could potentially surprise you,
10:35
especially we've been seeing these
10:37
rankings come in in the past few weeks.
10:38
Like uh Travis Yoast, I think in
10:40
particular, had some and he had the
10:42
Flyers in like tier D for like
10:45
everything,
10:46
right?
10:47
Which fair, they were one of the worst
10:50
teams in the league last year, but it
10:53
didn't feel like that. A lot of that had
10:55
to do with their just subpar goalending.
10:57
And the goalending, by the way, does not
10:59
look improved at this point. Like
11:01
Dan Vidar is going to have to do a lot
11:03
to prove me wrong. I think a healthy Var
11:07
could potentially be a good combination,
11:09
but I don't know. But I think the
11:11
defense is solid. I think the wingers
11:13
are really good, and I think the centers
11:16
are okay, but obviously lacking. So, I
11:21
think this is a team that's very under
11:22
the radar right now and a team that
11:24
really could surprise some people coming
11:27
out this season. Uh, and I I think it's
11:30
just a good room right now. I think it's
11:32
you got guys that like each other. You
11:33
got those like best friends with Dale
11:36
and Cam York and Zeus. Yeah.
11:40
Like you've got guys that like each
11:41
other a lot. Mishkov seems to vibe with
11:43
everybody. Travis Kneknney, I mean, who
11:45
doesn't get along with Travis Kenkne,
11:47
right? Yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting
11:49
kind of It is hard to pinpoint what
11:52
exactly the vibe is because it's still
11:54
like
11:56
kind of the off season for the NHL. You
11:59
know what I mean? Like we're not It
12:00
doesn't
12:01
Oh, it's totally off season.
12:02
Yeah. Like we're not there yet. Um but I
12:05
do think the vibe around the team is
12:07
going to be um you know once things get
12:10
started. I do think it's going to be
12:12
cautious optimism. Um, I do think that
12:15
that's which I feel like that's always
12:17
the vibe for any training camp unless
12:19
it's like unless it was the training
12:21
camp uh a couple years ago when they
12:24
brought in Tony D'Angelo and it was just
12:27
like the vibes around the team in
12:28
general were bad. You know what I mean?
12:30
But I do think um you know this is it's
12:35
going to be an interesting camp. I I do
12:38
agree that I think the energy around the
12:40
team is a little bit more positive.
12:43
Truly, I do I do look forward to seeing
12:46
how big a difference just the presence
12:49
of it makes. And listen, I know people
12:52
are still a little wary of like he
12:55
wasn't he really hasn't had any success
12:57
in the NHL as a head coach. Like why are
12:59
we so excited about this guy? I to me
13:02
what I'm excited about is just the
13:03
relationship he has with the players.
13:04
like we've seen him have incredible
13:06
relationships with players before. Um,
13:09
not all the players. I know that there's
13:10
obviously the whole, you know, he wasn't
13:12
crazy about Elias Patterson and all
13:13
that, but I think overall he's going to
13:16
have some really, really good
13:18
relationships with these Flyers players
13:20
overall. Um, and I think that's going to
13:23
make a huge difference just given how
13:26
not great the last year of Tortoella
13:29
went. Um, it just seemed like everyone
13:32
hated his ass and it seems like it seems
13:34
like Rick Tocket is gonna be the
13:36
opposite. It feels like It feels like
13:37
it's gonna be a lot more fun. So, I
13:40
think that's gonna be a good Maybe fun.
13:42
I think it's going to be a fun vibe.
13:44
Yeah, I'm feeling that, too. I think
13:45
it's going to be a fun vibe. I'm really
13:47
looking forward to this team getting in
13:50
action because we've been talking about
13:52
these moves so much. We've been talking
13:54
about what Zegris could potentially
13:57
bring to this team and it's just going
13:59
to make such It's like when we were
14:00
talking about Mishkov in theory last
14:02
season before actually seeing him. It's
14:05
just different. It's different like
14:06
talking about all this stuff versus
14:08
actually seeing it. Seeing is believing,
14:10
right? Especially when you're talking
14:11
about talented new hockey players. And I
14:14
think it's just there's a lot of breath
14:15
of fresh air elements to this team that
14:18
I am excited about seeing.
14:20
Yeah. It's just you like you mentioned,
14:22
you know, Mishkov is here. Ziggress is
14:24
here. There's a ton of skill. They're
14:26
two of their top player. I I mean, I
14:28
think you could argue that Ziggress is
14:29
already one of their top players. Um I
14:32
mean, obviously obviously TK TK is up
14:35
there. Like I'm not saying he's like,
14:37
you know, top two, but um
14:39
I think Z though talentwise
14:42
immediately becomes one of your highest
14:44
potential players because Mishkov is
14:46
obviously he's your highest potential
14:48
player. like he is the guy with the
14:50
vision and the skills. But Zegris, we've
14:53
seen him put up 70 something points.
14:55
He's still very young. Zegris has a high
14:59
skill level. He immediately jumps up to
15:02
near the top of that list. I
15:04
I was going to say like I think in
15:07
instead of top two players, they're
15:09
certainly Mishkov and Ziggress are
15:11
certainly the top two most skilled on
15:13
the team. I don't think that's a
15:14
question. I really
15:15
because also you've got guys like Tyson
15:17
Forester and Noah Kates who are very
15:19
smart, very talented hockey players, but
15:22
like
15:22
they don't have that skill.
15:23
Noah Kates doesn't have that skill. I
15:25
think he's got great skills, but he's
15:27
not that level. And then Tyson Forester
15:29
is more known for at this point great
15:32
defensive prowess, g great sense of the
15:34
game and having a big heavy shot, but
15:36
he's not a great stick handler. He's not
15:39
certainly not a great skater. So there
15:42
is a big difference between like what
15:46
Zegris can potentially do with his stick
15:48
handling and his vision and everything
15:50
versus those other very talented guys,
15:52
right? Yeah, I agree. So, I don't know.
15:55
Yeah, it's it's an interesting uh
15:57
training camp coming up.
15:59
Yeah, I'm excited. I can't wait to get
16:00
into it. We're probably going to have
16:02
another week or two of just uh messing
16:05
around to, you know, until we get to
16:07
that point, but that's okay. That's what
16:09
we do.
16:10
It's going to be fun.
16:12
It's going to be fun.