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Martin Keown embarrasses Jim White and Simon Jordan over Celtic fans and the minute's silence
Nov 11, 2024
https://www.bornceltic.com Martin Keown talks sense as he embarrasses Jim White and Simon Jordan with a measured take over Celtic fans and the minute's silence. #celticfc
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it is Monday morning it's Jim White
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Simon Jordan Martin Kon and we are live
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on talk sports we had to get to this at
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some stage so this is as good a stage as
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any uh a Rememberance Sunday minute
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silence before kar's match with Celtic
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was pretty much abandoned less than
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seconds into it when supporters of
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Celtic Jered and booed and chanted
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throughout it fans in the away end at
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rugby park Kar ground waved Irish and
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Palestinian Flags now a former colleague
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of mine are great fil is to Ian Crocker
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Sky Sports commentator uh was supposed
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to apologize on Sky saying sorry if you
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were offended with the disturbance to
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the silence but they kind of had a rough
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idea down there that they was coming
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because loud booing was first heard as
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karic Captain Kyle vassel approached the
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middle of the pitch with a
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wreath after the match both managers
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spoke in a moment we'll get the take of
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Brendan Rogers Celtic manager karuk
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manager Derek mckin said this don't get
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any decisions Cel even decid when the
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minute silence stops I mean we don't get
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these decisions what did you make it up
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it was awful awful why I'm not going to
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I'm not politici but it's B ground it's
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minute silence I don't get why we
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shouldn't have the way with all just to
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stand and show a b of respect for one
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minute Derek mckin is saying that Celtic
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even decided when the minute silence
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stops he says I thought it was awful
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awful I'm not going to lie I'm not a
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politician or anything but it's our
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ground it's our minute silence this was
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Celtic boss Brandon Rogers it's a minute
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silence it's a minute silence and I know
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of course there's uh there's there's a
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little bit of issue around that each
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year for us but I think it was a minute
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then uh you do that so um it's always a
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difficult one that one it's you know
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it's every year I think it's it's the
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situation that that takes place but um
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but thankfully we get the one in the
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football side and um and uh we uh we
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went to the break in a really really
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good place Brendan Rogers who was
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pitchside who was wearing a poppy he
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says a minute silence I think we all
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want to respect that and we all
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understand that some don't it can be
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divisive s's alongside me with uh Martin
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where do we go with this uh to be quite
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honest it's difficult to know Simon the
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Scottish Football authorities are they
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damned if they do and damned if they
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don't when it comes to paying respects
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and Scottish Football well I'm not
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entirely sure where they can go with it
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I mean there is a school of thought that
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says people however you might not like
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their view have a right to express their
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opinions and if they don't particularly
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appreciate the remembrance of of of of
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the circumstances that we obviously are
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well rehearsed the 19141 18 45 13 39 45
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Wars and all that goes with it then you
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can't make them you can't make them the
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fact that they get coverage is is the
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difficult thing because if you weren't
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covering it and and and focusing on it
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and expecting people to behave in a
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certain way then they probably would be
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less inclined to be as fous as they are
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and there's a part of me that feels no I
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don't like it I I think it's it's
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unacceptable and I think that a minut
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silence should be observed if you you
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know but people don't want to and I
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don't think there's a lot that the
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Scottish authorities can do what can
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they do what can they do reach into the
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minds of people and understand what
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they're going to do what can they do in
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a situation like this ban self fans from
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a game if it's a home because when we
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remember at Sunday fi falls on a Celtic
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home game ban all the fans on the basis
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that maybe a fewer hundred or thousands
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of Celtic fans might do something or or
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or karik could say we're not going to
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take any Celtic fans this weekend
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because we know what they're going to do
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yeah I think Simon's right a bit on this
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because it's a very deep rooted issue um
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particularly You' got Irish a lot of
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Irish Catholic fans that go to those
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games um and there's a resistance gym as
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well while obviously to the to the
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British flag and you know the history
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that exists over the years with a lot of
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those fans and where they come from um I
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don't think it's an issue that's going
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to go away I think it's generational I
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think maybe along the line it disappears
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but what you know for some people it's
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still fresh and there is an issue and
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that's why you're seeing it when it
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comes to Remembering Sunday silence at
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all Simon is it not a better idea to
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exclude Celtic from
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it there's a part of me thinks that is
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in part A solution what are you going to
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do if Celtic are playing at home on
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remember at Sunday are you going to say
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to them it's it's parkhead isn't it that
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you can't have 50,000 Celtic fans inside
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the
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stadium as a result of the other the no
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but I'm saying maybe not have the
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silence at all so Celtic I mean that
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would be an argument that suggests that
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that's the argument Derk mckinness is in
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part making which is the football in
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Scotland and every aspect of it from How
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uh the construct of Scottish Football is
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put together the value is only Celtic
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and Rangers so in that instance what we
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would be saying is that because Celtic a
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section of Celtic's fan base however big
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it may be are not prepared to turn their
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back on that and not prepared to keep
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their powder dry for one minutes um that
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in that the the the entirety of the of
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the opposition have to accept that so
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whoever's playing in that situation
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Celtic are excluded from the minute
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silence in the same way that you know
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the Dreadful and revolting charts they
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thought that were funny to chant when
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Queen Elizabeth passed away and all that
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went with that that they should be
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accepted they can be tolerated they
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don't have to be accepted in terms of
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you know the idea that they have this
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view in the same way that James McLean
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has a view I don't agree with James
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McLean's view he he takes everything
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back to 1972 and and Bloody Sunday and
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everything went with that and he himself
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talks about the poppy and wants to stand
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aside the more people focus on it I mean
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James mlan is entitled to an opinion he
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doesn't agree with the value of the
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poppy Believes In the Valley of the wars
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and celebrating that if that was all
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they were celebrating I saw James
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standing to one side of the the rest of
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their ex and boys I know James mlan I
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want people to know out there I speak to
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him on a semi-regular basis and he's a
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good guy and he's very Cooperative when
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it comes to doing things for this show
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on talk sport but I would argue that
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there was almost a bit of respect from
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James by standing to one side it was it
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was a his own peaceful protest and that
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was the way he wanted to go about it
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this was anything but peaceful at Rugby
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Park from the Celtic support there's
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Jill one word respect there was none
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Jill's right many messages coming in
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here this morning on this um Dave is I
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think a Inland fan who's waiting to
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speak to us Dave what's your taking it
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good good morning what's left of it
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great show as always boys great and it's
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great to be um on the show today thanks
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Dave um my take on it is the utter lack
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of respect you know for a a a solemn
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occasion and it's not the first time
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this happens every time Celtic are
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playing
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away at in this weekend you know over
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the years they do it and it it shows you
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our authorities SFA SPL they just stand
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by and allow this to happen but what
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should they do that's what I'm saying
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Dave with all due respect to them
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they're damned if they do and damned if
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they don't when it comes to paying
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respect like this aren't they of course
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the only Jim the only way that teams
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like you know the fans who do these
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moronic that would exhibit this moronic
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Behavior the only way that they will
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stop it is if the club sadly the club
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can't control these supporters the club
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needs to be how about a points deduction
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or something and I mean I I totally
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agree with Simon um you know when he was
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talking about again I mean this and
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Martin mentioned it too this goes back
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almost centuries and they they they just
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will never get it and I don't so I I I
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believe that a point deduction I know
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maybe that sounds a bit crazy but
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perhaps that's the answer do you think
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that's over thanks for that Dave do you
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think that's over the top so I don't see
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how you can Consequence the football
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club for section of its fan base I mean
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it's like you know ultimately I never
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agree with you know the consequences
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Federation because an idiot minority of
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football fans want to boo another team's
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national anthem I just don't think you
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can eradicate it you can show your
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contempt for it your disdain for it I
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think it's an embarrassment to Celtic
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Football Club as a leading football club
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in European and World football that
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section of their fan paace want to want
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to behave in such a disrespectful
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fashion they don't respect the value of
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it we're asking people for whatever
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reason and dig deep into their psyche to
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understand their objections to it and
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I'm sure they a few of them will be able
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to explain them and a lot of won't that
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they don't respect this particular
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moment they don't respect the passing of
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the queen and so you're not going to
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make them we're not going to make them
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all we can do is have our view on it
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right and say it's unacceptable it's a
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blot on Celtic as a football club it's
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not something to be admired I'd like to
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see the football manager being a tad
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more
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condemnatory um and a tad more robust
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you know if he's going to say something
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say something if you're going to say
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that you think it's unacceptable say
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it's unacceptable don't walk down the
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line
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of of the Endless politician that you
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seek to be if you're going to say
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something on this subject matter and
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you're going to wear a pop of yourself
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and you're going to observe the minute
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Silence Yourself then you would you know
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as a football club you're representing a
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leading football club maybe just a tad
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Mo cond dematory from Brendan not that
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they would take any notes of it quite
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frankly I was going to say that I mean
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he was strong in the P of Technics maybe
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why not be as strong on this absolutely
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it would be remissive as to talk about
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this without getting the Celtic fans
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view so we will do and and Mark I think
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Mark if I'm writing thing you're a good
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friend of this show you you you you come
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on to us regularly if it is you good
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morning what do you want to say yeah
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it's me Jim yes I'm the one with the the
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B with soon outstanding oh that's right
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well done yes go go on Mark well I've
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got a particular sort of interest in
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this I'm ex I'm an ex serviceman I
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served in the Royal Air Force H I'm also
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of Irish descent I have Irish
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grandparents and I still got many over
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in dny go who I visit regularly and I
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was while I was serving I was over in Dy
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go with my RAF warrant card in my back
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pocket and had anyone you know friends
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people who we met over there had they
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known I had that in my back pocket I
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might have been a we bit of bother quite
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frankly H so I had to kind of make up a
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story what I done for a living I totally
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understand the the the ill feeling
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towards remembrance there from some fans
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uh given that they have links to perhaps
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da or Belfast where atrocities did
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happen under the hospices of of the
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British army H however that said if you
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cannot stand in silence to remember
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anyone who has died quite frankly
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there's something wrong with you uh and
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if you don't want to do it simply stand
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outside and come into the ground
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afterwards or turn your backs but don't
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sing through it and certainly don't sing
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Pro Ira songs which is just disgusting
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at any time quite frankly
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Mark you and I both know that don't we
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that the vast majority of the traveling
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support that went to Kar at the weekend
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don't think the way you
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think yeah and and that is the case and
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listen as as Simon rightly said at the
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beginning of this you are entitled to
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your opinion we do live in a free
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Society yeah and and the irony is that
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the the men and women who we who we
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remember on Remembrance they died to
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uphold that freedom so I think important
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that that freedom is allowed to H to
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exist however it's just a bit crash when
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you when you sing through it you can
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protest in other ways such as James mlan
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with a very sort of dignified protest
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that he took H and anyone can understand
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his take because the guy is from da he
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doubtless knows people who were affected
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by the Bloody Sunday massacres uh so you
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know it's completely understandable but
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just don't don't bring the name of
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Celtic into disrepute by singing through
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a minute Sil irrespective of who it's
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for quite Finly it's just wrong Mark
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thanks very much indeed your
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contributions are always so valuable
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thank you very much indeed Mark uh Jim
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White Simon Jordan Martin Keon uh a lot
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