Inside BBI With John and Eric – John Mara Medium Pepsi Questions & Answers Episode! #nfl #football

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never heard of half of these guys on I do know are way past these guys never had a prime is dead cross him off
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all right well welcome back to another edition of inside BBI with John and Eric I'm John mcdev and with me as always
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senior editor of Big Blue Interactive Mr Eric Kennedy and Eric it's the holiday season and the Giants are giving gifts
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to every team that they play uh how are you doing so far good it's really early
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yeah I'm not a morning person so I've got my smiling is my favorite from the
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movie Elf shirt so nice nice who have not seen it it's a classic so I'm sure I
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went with ugly Christmas Captain America sweater um you know close enough behind me is actually a near I have a near York
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Giants Christmas tree behind me so it's uh all the branches are uh bright blue
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uh then we've got red Garland W I didn't want to put it on yet because it's not all decorated yet but anyway my wife bought it last year for me and put it up
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because my birthday falls in November so they put it up for for Christmas so I like to have it in my office
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unfortunately it's a very depressing holiday season as the Giants fan so um
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once again we we go into uh we go into another game where we're not really breaking down the games cuz what is the
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point of that um but we are going to talk about the fact that breaking down is a very interesting term that we
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should talk about because the wheels are coming off the health of the New York Giants and you've had a lot of roster
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changes this week yeah I mean I guess I should bring up the injury list here because it's gotten long I mean what did
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they say yesterday they said they we have three players who are definitely out and uh Banks Nunes roaches who's
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ended up as you've mentioned repeatedly didn't really pan out as a free agent yeah um o car is out so now we got both
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are starting defensive tackles are out because Dexter Lawrence is on injured reserve he's done for the year we have o
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okar our best middle linebacker out so our wonderful run defense is about to
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hit a new level of suck this if you're for sure so I know
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the Saints don't run the ball particularly well but they will they will this week and then you got even DJ
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Davidson is out so the backups are out so you've got three of their three top
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right their three top defensive linemen are out well so this is this is not going to be good and then we even have
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Malik neighbors once again is dinged up and then you got the mess on the offensive line so not only do we
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have our start our you know our left tackle is on injured reserve Andrew Thomas but now illuminor
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is doubtful who's a right tackle who was kind of playing left tackle and that now
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his replacement hubber as questionable as is Neil so who the heck knows who's even going to be playing on the
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offensive line at this point we may be grabbing guys off the practice squad to play on which we have Tyree Phillips
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right and we have couple other guys God I can't even keep these guys straight anymore um yeah isn't Josh miles still
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on the practice squad I believe so might might be I would like to see at that point with some of that in mind I'd like
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to see like kubis get some time at either either guard or Center try them at both I don't care um and maybe move
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you might have to move ran might have to go maybe have to play tackle I think he's played briefly there before um his
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dad did maybe we could get lucky who knows Josh miles is on there I could see them bringing him up or Phillips
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depending on how healthy he is um remember he's coming off an injury that he suffered late last year and then
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they've got um a guard on the practice squad marcelis Johnson so yeah the
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problem with kubis like you said he's he's really a guard so they're not really having issues at guard it's more
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tackle so right but I mean might as well like you might have to move a guard out to tackle and if you're going to do that
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it won't be kubis it would be one of our veteran guards but I'd like to see him play like I mean what's the what
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difference does it make everything we seen I think I think it was Dugen I don't know if you saw was it dougen or
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maybe it was renan I I can't remember which one so I don't want to quote either one but they were basically talking about some of the Giants moves
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right now might be more about the 25 season for guys that they've signed longer term they mentioned art green as
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one of the guys and stuff so they they're going to play them to kind of get ahead on the Futures Contract and get them on some playing time
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but the bad part about that when you're talking about the offensive line though is that poor quarterback has to come in
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and stand there and you're basically putting Josh that means Josh audu is going to be the left tackle again well
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and the other thing too is it makes you wonder is is this an indication that Shane is coming back so again there are
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a lot of personalities in the room so maybe not necessarily but they are
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picking guys off of waivers they got the the tight end from Denver you know they they they just picked up D Williams off
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of waivers from Seattle um so there they are seeing the have an eye to 2025 so who's the guy in
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the room looking at 2025 so who who knows um it dep where
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where you stand on that depends on where you what you think of of Shane Shane gone you might not like this so well
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that's true and before we turn our attention directly to that because that's that's a great because I do want to go there with what you said um just
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for this game alone let's forget the result I think the result dear God I I
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can't believe I am at the point now now and I'm like I am I can't remember a
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time I've ever rooted for the Giants to lose I've never wanted them to lose even watching the game on Sunday when I watch
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the game on Sunday I won't be actively hoping they lose right I will be very
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fearful they might win though that's because you you've mentioned this a
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couple of times not tied to the game but you've mentioned it tied to Hard Knocks
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and if if certain people go back and watch hard within the organization and they see
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their point as being valid right that might actually justify we should have
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done something that actually is not it's not the right answer for what the 25
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Giants should have done it's just unfortunately you didn't have an answer when you made those choices they're
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going to look at it wrong and I'm afraid a win might do the same thing to this this yeah well the the the thing is is
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um confirmation bias you've talked this before so if you're John May and Tim
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McDonald and you're watching hard knock you come around going right now they look like the the Smart Guys in the room
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which is not which may not be good um I'm not saying they're right but again
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we're in this messy situation and Giants Chans have fallen victim to this too and again they may not like me saying this
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but some of the things that have backfired on the Giants still were probably the right thing to do SE moving
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on from saquan was given where the Giants were were was was the right thing to do it's
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just when they did it and how they did it was the mistake as you and I have talked about yeah previously before you could have kept them away from
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Philadelphia and they didn't do that and they fell into that and that's where John Mara looks um looks like smart guy
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in the room he predicted a godish I'd hate to see him end up in Philadelphia and lo and behold that's where he ends
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up I mean he said that before Phil Philly was even in the picture so
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um the pr element of this spiraling out
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of control with Xavier McKenna Julian love Leonard Williams you just go down the list it just looks bad and it just
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it it pours gasoline on the the smoldering wreck that is the New York Giants this season right now and it's
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really got fans and understandably pissed off the last thing Giants fans want to see is Philadelphia looking like
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one of the best teams in the league because sequ Barkley Barkley is helping them become one of the best teams in the league and that's exactly what's
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happening right now right I think you know what's really funny is if things were different meaning the last couple
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of years eight nine years if things have been diff slightly
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different I think there would be a bigger burning fire to clear everybody
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out within the Giants organization going we got to we got to clean this out because talk radio whatever that that is
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now shows like ours stuff like that would be just spewing Venom about I
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can't believe what's happened to this org blah boom it's become now where we just like it there there's there's those
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core fans like ourselves which are are talk about it and our kind of embed it but like you keep bringing up there's a
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younger group that just doesn't care they don't give a [ __ ] like this team hasn't won anything the entire time they've been alive they don't care they
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are not interested and in the world and i' I've included it already I kind of did a right up for this already in a
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world of of faster changing technology of of what have you done for me lately of oh this is new that's not new moving
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on the Giants have given every reason for people to believe this is this is your this is your Boomer team right this
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is the team I don't care about whatever who cares they don't win they're crap you just love them because of and I
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think the Giants keep grasping and by the way and I'll bring this up too I didn't know if you know this or not they
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keep grasping on to the the 100-year history thing this this Nostalgia as if
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it it representa representative of their current status in the NFL and did you
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know that this weekend once again we have another celebration it is the Frank
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gford bobblehead doll day I did I heard that y maybe because
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I've started to tune them out which is sad because they were on a website I haven't noticed a lot of the 100th
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anniversary stuff so I thought they were pulling back on that so if they're still doing that it's the Frank gord's family
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is going to be there oh God is the Frank G I'm like what a tribute you know the
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the thing that you just said is something that we really need to dive into um and this has been true
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before dve and Shane this goes back to even when reys was still here this team
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still in my opinion and I I alluded to this in the game preview this team still
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has never fully I Feel Never Fully committed to the rebuild so they either
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because of the situation at quarterback when Eli was here or this Clinging On to Daniel Jones um or sequan Barkley or
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other players it seems like they've still half ass this and again we've
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talked about it over and over and over again but the the the perfect example recently is the flip-flopping back and
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forth on what to do with Daniel Jones and Squan Barkley they're going they're staying they're going that kind of thing
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and if somebody was going to come in here here and say we're like Shane and
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dble we thought we're going to do and say we're going to tear this down we're going to build this back up we're going
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to start for so you got the impression strong impression in 2022 that um Daniel Jones was on his way out
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you you got an inkling that saquin might not be here either be um but that wasn't
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as wasn't as clear but it started to become clear as we got closer to this
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year why why they didn't pull the Band-Aid off and just start over is put
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them into this situation once again where right now the fan base has turned completely on them because of the way
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they botched this whole situation so as I said in the game preview I think
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they've realized their mistake but it's it it may be too late and again Gelman went through this Rees went through this
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all the different coaches we've had have done through this they didn't quite start over but they didn't quite
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make a run either so it was like so meanwhile we're we're stuck in this this
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in between State and meanwhile you're seeing other teams right now who have hired head coaches and are again we'll
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have to see what they do moving forward but look at Denver look at the commanders um look at some of these other teams in the league that look like
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that they've start you know they've got the right people in place and are moving in the right direction and they they started they started over they they they
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they moved in they got a new quarter back and they're moving forward and we I feel like we're still we still don't
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have any Clarity of what's going on in the upcoming offseason we may go into the next season with Shane and Dav still
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in charge and now no one in our fan base feels good about these two right you
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know before we talk about them specifically one thing I want to talk about that you just you mentioned about
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there's there's this there's this new kind of thought process with fans that you don't have to rebuild you retool and
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teams can change very quickly and I agree with that that's there that's true we've seen it in many areas the big
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problem I have with the Giants about the rebuild like that you're mentioning it's the reason I think you
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can't pinpoint it and I can't pinpoint did we rebuild or not rebuild is for the
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very reason that there are two pieces of a rebuild there's your your actual roster the players on your roster and
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then there's your salary cap yes we've we've never done both we've gotten rid
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of some of the players but we've we've still been bottom tier in cap space which makes no sense to me when you
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supposedly fixed the cap we still were not that great I'm looking at it right now even for 25 which taken to account
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we do have dead money which I don't care about that means nothing but the cap space we have is all because we got rid
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of Jones we cut them so we saved money but that's the only reason we have what we have but at the top you have the Patriots the Raiders they both have well
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over a 100 milon Dollar in cap space the Cardinals with a very expensive quarterback right they have 106 the
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commanders are next with almost a hundred and they have their franchise quarterback right they're in great shape
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the commanders are a perfect example because they they basically went cheap in free agency as placeholders with
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veterans that they don't intend to hold on to but they got their quarterback so they they got the young inexpensive
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quarterback as Sai keeps talking about on his first year contract and now they go into the offseason with $100 million
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just and look at us and here and here's another here's another example another team that was kind of in the same boat
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we were in terms of cap space who they signed who they had on their roster the
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only difference is they had they have a much better long-term uh quarterback and that's the Chargers the Chargers go and
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get a new coach they now they now have $76 million of cap space that new that
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new coach they got more C faing Us in other more than us and they got they have at quarterback they got rid of they
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got rid of Allen they got rid of William this what I'm talking about what are we oh God and that's where I keep wondering
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where the hell is all our cap money where's our cap space you know I guess one of guys like Bobby O car and Andrew
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Thomas and Dexter Lawrence and all that but some of these guys like Andrew Thomas he's a really good player but he
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can't stay healthy so um I mean that's a problem for the Giants moving forward
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Andrew Thomas has basically stayed healthy one year so no one wants to talk about that now D's hurt now so and then
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you got we have spent money on free agents and some of them are not looking so hot now um some of it may because of
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the coaching change but like said look at the Chargers are a perfect example you would think we would have more cap
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space than them and we do they have a better Coach a better they have a quarterback um and they got a and look
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at their record and and they they are going to be ascending and we're still you said it where's the bottom
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where's the bottom on the Giants we keep going and for the Chargers right you probably can expect in the offseason
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they'll probably cut that roster down a little bit more I think KH Mack is probably gonna end up going he cost too
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much and then Bosa Bosa who's constantly injured his contract is just too much
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for them to continue I think with with Harbaugh in place God I'm gonna I can't believe I'm
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gonna say this go turps has been very right about a couple of things things that that you have to have a coach
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quarterback the GM I think you can he needs to just be in line with the organization the coach and quarterback
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have to be on the same page and if they're on the same page and that thing melds then you can build around it the
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Giants don't have that they haven't had it in a while you add the GM in which where the where the cap comes into real
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big problems is when you start and you've mentioned this more than once when you have to sign veteran free
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agents maybe to that one or twoyear deal they're getting more money why are we giving them more money than because the
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guys that we drafted mckian audo those guys they're not taking prominent roles
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where you could have a rookie undrafted free agent be the guard you know who's
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in reserve waiting to come in instead we've got audo and mckian well at least we did on the roster they were the
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backups because they weren't good enough to work their way into the lineup so now you had to go sign another veteran and
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then another veteran and then what happened we had last year we had a couple of those veterans retired before the season started but we already paid
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them money so it counted on the cap against already then you had to go get more guys so that's the problem our
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drafting has not really we have not filled not only the stars but we really
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haven't filled the lunch pail guys that are there week in week out and have
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really where we can build around none of the offensive linemen have panned out that they've drafted none of them even
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the guy taking the seventh overall pick the guy drafted in the second round at Center so um this is what again I kind
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of try to point to in the game preview on the website was this is I'm not sure what we're hanging our Hat on at this
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point I want to stay I don't want to change guys again and you're it's
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interesting you're seeing some people out there I saw Justin Pew tweet out we
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got to keep these guys they need to have another chance he may be right I don't know but what are we hanging our hat on
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again we're two and 10 seven games in a we've lost in a row we haven't won a
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division game and we're not going to win a division game unless something weird happens in in the week 18 and Philly
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doesn't need that game but I even if they play their backups like d i mean we were playing a bunch of backups against Dallas and Dallas beat us um we're going
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to go winless in the division we're horrible on offense the last um dead
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last and scoring we're dead last in run defense in terms of yards per carry what
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do we hang our Hat on at this point terrible defense terrible offense no one feels like we're out coaching anybody
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and now the the the longer we go the draft classes don't look so hot so again
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competency matters as does staying the course but if you're staying the course
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and you're incompetent I that that's not good either I I I just I I'm starting to
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wonder if we go two wins this year if we finish with two wins and we go into next
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year with DAV as a head coach I it just just has this roof collapsing feel to me
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I mean even worse than this year um I've said this to you before offline I feel
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like this season is um didn't even really start I feel like we haven't
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really had an NFL season it feels like we got kicked in the nuts from the getto and it just keeps going and it feels
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like this is this hasn't even been a real football season I'm kind of watching some other teams play
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occasionally um just to get my football fixed but the watching the Giants is
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just just terrible I mean I don't feel good after the game and I'm supposed to
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be enjoying this it's just terrible with what you just said the describing that the kick in the nuts thing I I don't
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know if you'll even remember this and I'm definitely going to be dating Myself by saying this years ago on Johnny
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Carson they had Buddy Hackett came out one time buddy hacket did the start telling this story it seems like telling an actual story but it was a joke and he
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was talking about there was hunting and he shot this duck and the duck landed on the roof of the guy guy's house next door so he went over he said hey I shot
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a duck and L he goes well it's in my yard he goes yeah but I shot it he goes here's the deal we'll take turns kicking each other in the nuts until one of us
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quits and then whoever that is the other person you get the duck he's like okay but he goes because it's my house I get to go first so he he kicks so bunny
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hacket falls on the ground he's like a he's rolling all over for a good 30 seconds he's rolling on the ground screaming crying whatever he gets up he
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goes okay it's my turn the the guy goes you can have the duck and that's what I feel like this season has been for the
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Giants like you just keep waiting okay we get to hit back oh no I guess we don't it's like there's really no the
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literally the joy of this season will be Black Monday after the last game and
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that might get yanked away when we realize the two Boos behind me are coming back and I'm really starting to
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get the feeling that the landscape of who's available out there isn't as deep
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as some people thought and I think there's going to be more teams yeah looking for coaches than there really
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are like the top guys are going to be able to choose wherever they want to go they're they're going to be able to to do that uh I so I'm gonna ask you I'm
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gonna throw one of my three questions randomly in there the two guys behind me married together both come back both
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leave or are you okay if one comes back and one leaves what what what do you think what do you want that's the
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million dooll question I look when DAV came in and had his coach
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of the year season I felt great about our coach and people are going to say well you don't feel great now because
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he's two and 10 of course you don't feel but I don't I feel like he's going through the emotions I don't feel I don't his post
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his press conferences to me are uninspiring not that that that's real critical but it just doesn't seem like
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he's there's a lot of fight in this team anymore and I don't think the team's responding to him
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and I don't see it's kind of like Colin who came on on um earlier this week and
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he was talking about how badly he feels his team is coached and Sai yeah he was pretty direct about that yeah and Sai
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has kind of commented on on that before to and I and some the problem I have is
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this is how how often does like the situation at quarterback and now the falling apart offensive line affect what
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you're doing because there are the times when you see comments like wow the Giants really had some interesting
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Innovative um play design with their passing routes but the quarterback missed missed the receivers
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um I get all that what but looking at the big picture I just see it's what you
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talked about 97 and one 6 and 11 now 2 and 10 we're going in the wrong
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direction it's year three there doesn't seem to be any confidence there doesn't seem to be any
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fight in this team and I I don't like that I don't feel like we're there were
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times last year towards the end of the year when again we were really really beat up and we had issues at quarterback
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and the offensive line was a disaster but there were times when we went into games and we were released competitive
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we were fighting and we stole some games we shouldn't which ended up hurting us because we lost the quarterbacks yep but
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we're not even getting that now we're so so right now where I feel right now as
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December 7th oh it's Pearl Harbor day it's oh yeah yeah I didn't realize that December 7th I feel like I don't want
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deow back I feel like unless something really and I don't see he's got five
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games left which in a way is kind of an inter that's the other thing we got we've got a lot of football left five
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games is a lot of lot of football it's not like we're at the end of December here um but right as of today I don't
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want D back and um I'm increasingly okay with letting Shane go because I think
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the two are kind of tied at the hip but like you said who's out there but I don't want to
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settle for what we have still you know I want to settle for somebody out there but I don't want to settle keep the guys
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that we have because we said well there's nobody better out there I think there's a lot of there's always
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interesting guys what one thing one thing I know I'm rambling but one thing I think is interesting is look at the retreads this year the Jim har balls and
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the Shawn Payton you know some people say you don't want to go with retread route but those two guys show that you
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can still find guys that have been around the league and still know what the heck they're doing so I've said
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before the reason why I thought bill belich could still be in the picture was because John mea might be pulling his
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hair out about I can't pick young guys I've got to get somebody safe so that's
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that's but who's out there who's safe you know I saw somebody mention Nick Sabin on the website yeah I was like
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dear God okay you know yeah we a decade to late on that one that ship sailed way
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back and didn't someone mention Bill cow on the site I well I did jokingly I
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started when they said that I said well why don't we go Bill Cower why I start picking people you know I think Marv Ley is still alive let's let's see what Le
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still not alive is he is I he is is he like pushing a I thought he I have to look it up geez I hope not I hope I mean
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I hope he is that'd be bad if I thought I thought he was but maybe not I know go finally ticked the bucket
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anyways all right but you know here's
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something which I wasn't going to touch on but you mention his name so I will so bill bich has supposedly talked to the
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University of North Carolina one of the conditions that he mentioned to the UN and I'm beginning to
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wonder a couple things one is he talking to a college team is it just sort of a thing and they made a big deal about it
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because they're sh they want interest but clearly it's being reported that he did do it
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yeah or is the landscape of his options
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much smaller than we all thought and I think age is a huge it's a huge deal a
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big factor yeah but also the idea that he has to have control that's gotta rub
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some teams the wrong way and his last few years once Brady left he did some
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bizarre crap like his coaching staff was really weird he it was almost like he
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was being obstinate about stuff he was like intentionally doing stuff for whatever reason that being said the
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rumor is or the word is he met with the University of North Carolina and one of the conditions he would have is his son
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needed to be the coach in Waiting could that also be something he floated out there on purpose for NFL teams to know
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as well yeah sure so and that May Scare teams away too not the Giants I bet you
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that might entice them yeah I don't know I I don't know how see this is the ugly
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situation that Giants are in it's what you just you hit the nail on the head and I'd like to hear your thoughts on
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what you want to do with d and Shane too but the there's a lot of teams looking for
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coaches there are a lot of teams that have already fired their coaches so they have an they have a jump start on us and
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um you've mentioned this before and other people have mentioned this before this is not as an attractive destination
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as it used to be so the luster has kind of gone off this team and and part of it is um I think the Giants even when they
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were bad still had the reputation of being somewhat stable in this sense that
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they would stick with a head coach and a GM I mean it was unheard of for the
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Giants to fire a GM forever and now we're firing GMS and we're firing head coaches every two to three years now and
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so if I'm a young upand cominging coach and I've got a number of different options some of them with young
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quarterbacks already in the building and I'm looking at the Giants the Giants aren't very stable right now they keep
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firing people this is the downside to I hope fans understand this
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we have a lot of fans that say fire everyone fire everyone and they might again you're hearing it from me now too
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fire fire da but there is a downside to firing people because again you're starting all over but you're
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also showing that your franchise isn't particularly stable right what we want
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we all want and everyone's starting to realize how special a situation this is is what Tomlin is doing in Pittsburgh I
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mean he has just been a rock yeah I mean they're not winning Super Bowls every couple of years but my goodness they're
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always competitive in in in but they could they could right they but they could they're always in the mix even
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even their down years are winning seasons right and they don't have a good situation at quarterback which is shows
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you it can be done you can you can get it's not like the old days when they had
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rothberger in there in his prime they're kind of using a Band-Aid approach right now a quarterback and and they're still
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winning so it shows you it can be done but Pittsburgh is one of those teams that when you play them you feel like
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you've played a football game you're playing a physical um smart tough football team
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you go into Pittsburgh and you win a game there you feel you feel like you've done something the Giants can't win a
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home game now they can't I mean it's I mean we're winless at home that's
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disgusting it's and we've been bad at home for for a decade but where we've hit rock bottom now they right I mean
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well you said something about Pittsburgh right what is Pittsburg always known for defense defense physically tough their
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defense is going to keep them in games even if their offense struggles they they and they will they will be in everything because you are going to have
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to fight them no matter what they're going to hit you they're going to what is what when you think of the
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Giants over the last 10 years what are they what yeah I mean that's that's that's true but I'm trying I can't come
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up with what they are we're not a good defensive team we're not like year in and year out we
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don't have a system that that we've kept in place the Steelers have a system that's and I I guess it helps when your
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coach stays so that I get you know I I know that's obvious but the coach kept the system but that system functions no matter who
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the players are the Giants constantly are jumping around trying to find something and then either mashing the
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players that they have into it or they're trying to get players that they can put a new system in and this is
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where to answer to go with the same question you had I'm going to answer the question now this is where I've now
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completely fallen off from day ball this is your team this is your
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offense you put this in you brought in CFA and then you booted him out of the way because you said you needed to be
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the play caller every bit about this team offensively is you and I don't know
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what we are we're not we're not a good passing team I you can blame the quarterback but you picked them you kept
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them yeah and then you told everybody all season long and you and I talked about this like you were a freaking like
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there's a gun behind you and you're going Daniel Jones gives us the best chance to win well it's really weird when you keep saying that and then You
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Yank him and you put the guy who was third string which again I know I called for that because that just it make sense
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to go to lock because who cared Lock's not going to be here next year so but when you did it you come off
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disingenuous about everything you had said before that to me that's where you lost everything you have to keep credibility I do not I'm not the coach I
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can say I'd rather have Tommy Devito play because I'm not the guy who stands in front of all those people in the locker room after I've told them that
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the other guy is the best chance to win he did and then you went away from it and you went so far away from it you
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booted him off the team which is embarrassing about how you handle it I don't care about Daniel Jones I he
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should have been gone already but it was embarrassing how we ultimately did that because it you kept going out there week
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after week after week talking about he's the guy Brian Deal's offense isn't the
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only reason I think he should go Brian debal has had almost no connection with his coaches as far as I can tell they
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we've we've re we've gone through multiple coaches assistant coaches with him multiple it's it can't always be you
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know at some point Captain Kirk has to take responsibility for the you can't go that's Scotty's fault
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that's aura's fault that's that's Sulu I could go through all the names it doesn't matter ultimately you're the
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captain and to me he has to take the fall here because well he's picked the guys he's hired these people the Bowen
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thing I think to me and you know I've brought this up more than once it's it's the it's the bow win that ties this all
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together yeah his embarrassing behavior on that and I know it's a reality show but that was stupid that was really
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stupid and even verse is when you highlighted bow and you let him talk in
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an in an environment where he talked about Isaiah Simmons who at the time wasn't even signed to the team yet he
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was a free agent and yet you're talking about how you're going to use him fast forward to he how many impact plays
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other than a special teams block which has nothing to do with Bowen has Isaiah Simmons made on defense n right they're
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not even using them not really your run game stuff that you highlighted look at where they ranked we're dead we're dead
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at the bottom Rico dowle got his only 100 yard game playing against us behind a makeshift offensive line for the
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Dallas Cowboys our team sucks everything that dble has put together has backfired
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that's what I mean that's why I that's where I'm at it's like what are you hanging there what can you point to
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right now that you say we need to bring him back there isn't anything to hang your hat on and say Well they're playing
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hard or they're getting better or there's been extenuating circumstances
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nothing there's nothing like that I'm not there's nothing I'm even so say I'm
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say I have an agenda say I'm I'm like related to D I can't come up with a
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reason to lobby for him because there so that's where I'm at with him and the one
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thing that bothers me and I've seen fans do this and I've seen reporters do this
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is let Shane and D pick their own quarterback before you get rid of them
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well they did pick their own quarterback they reigned Daniel Jones can't argue there are people out there that say no
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they didn't John Mara did that I don't know I I really don't know if that's the case or not um I've speculated that may
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be the case if it was maybe they're tragic figures at this point I don't know but at some point you also have to
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say to the owner um is strongly as you can no you know I you know I I'm telling you I will
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not accept this so they they pick their quarterback they they hitch their wagon to this guy and I talked about it months
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ago they they may not never be able to overcome that and they they they and I think D's probably not going to be able
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to overcome it the question is Shane can Shane overcome it I will say this too is
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um you you you mentioned this if we get into January and we're two win team and
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they say they're both coming back I'm not going to feel very good about this um I'm just you know I I'm going to be
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oh Christ I'm going to have that Dan Reeves 1996 thing I keep talking about this I you know it's a lane duck season
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and and it's just the wheels are as bad as bad as this season is and you say it
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can't get any worse next year could get worse it could be I I think we have to also dive into what um Colin talked
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about the psych the psychology on the team of do the players think
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Shane and D are making the right decisions so and I never really thought
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about that until he brought that up but they've got to be looking at the sequin situation and the Xavier situation
37:08
because they they were friends with these people these are people that they they were leaders of the captains on
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this team that they they felt a connection to and they see that this
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team that's one of the worst teams in the league now parted way with two players who are having MVP type Seasons
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now again we could argue all day whe whether or not those were the Right Moves but the players at a personal
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level are looking at that and and must they must be thinking my goodness the
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the company I work for doesn't know what the hell they're doing think of it think of your employe if you work for somebody
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who constantly did the wrong thing you would be like I got to get out of here this you know my employer doesn't is is
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incompetent and that's what might be going on here too and why some some the ch the Giants
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shouldn't be as bad as they are there there's more Talent on this team than there was last year there's more Talent on this team than there was in
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2022 but the record is getting worse and the fight is disappearing and so why is
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that happening and what cins said might have a huge part of it they may have signed their death
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now when not just with Jones but when the Barkley thing went down the way it
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did and the mcken thing went the way it down it did because the players may have lost confidence in the and that might be
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why another reason why these guys got to go is because the players don't have any confidence in their leadership if you
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work company that you don't believe in the people at the top that's going to affect you we've all been there we've
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all I'm sure everyone listening has had a boss that you thought was a was an
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incompetent [ __ ] and you just couldn't wait to leave that place right you know there's the old saying it's one
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thing to be thought of as as being stupid and then opening your mouth and removing all doubt that's partly where
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we're at hard KNX was the opening of the mouth Yes it was
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unfortunately we had we were part of Hard Knocks and we we were like oh cool we get to see the problem is what we saw
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at the time some people didn't like it some people immediately said it's a bad look I I wasn't there yet because I was
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kind of like oh you know I'm really kind of interested in what happens behind the scenes I love the the the idea of build
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a team even almost as much as the of the the games being played it's that whole
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concept of putting it together and bringing it together I've always been interested in that but then as the
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season played out now you go back and those things that you kind of were like oh that's just a show now you're like oh
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[ __ ] maybe that's really that's the bigger part it was the and I've used that term over and over again it's the
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organizational arrogance that bugs me it's just you don't H you're living off
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The Laurels of things that happen in 11 7 uh 90 and
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86 you are not living off anything that's happened since 2012 there's nothing you can hang your
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hat on to say we are this great organization you have made multiple
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idiotic decisions the I still think the Mera involvement with Jones really was
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tied to to Barkley and I think you saw it again I don't think he wanted to lose Barkley and I think D ball and Shane
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thought they could get by with Jones and he it was an easier contract to get in
40:33
because you can build in dead years that you can get rid of where Barkley wasn't going to accept years that aren't gonna
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you know he wants to get paid he knows what he is Jones is gonna take the inflated number even if the other years
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because that guy he couldn't possibly believe he was going to be the long-term answer so when you throw those numbers
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that was to keep Barkley needed to stay somehow needed to stay they knew that he that Mera was going to be pissed if
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Barkley was gone and that's mea's fault I think but again I can't prove that you can't prove that yeah we I can't prove
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that he didn't say sign Jones but everything from hardnox showed just how
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much he did not want to lose Barkley and it was really bothering him and you saw
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Shane kind of be arrogant about you know the quarterback but then it became I'm
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not paying a quarterback 40 million to hand to a $12 million running back well now you look like an idiot
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right you know you your $40 million quarterback sucks and you let the $12 million running back go and I'm not
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saying we should have kept him but that was the Optics that you gave him what's he doing he's putting on an MVP type
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season with the Eagles the worst case scenario the Sunami Abad has all come in
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it it's all come in that's what the key phrase you just said it's the worst case scenario so if the Giants were eight and
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four we would look back at hard and ox and go that was a good thing but we're
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two and 10 and what so you and I talked about this when we watched Hard Knocks
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there were times where it almost felt like Shane was kind of pushing mea out of the room like right like Mr meoo it's
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time to go well Mr meoo again confirmation bias looks back at that and says push me out of the damn room you're
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the one who look what happened this situation so I I think moving forward
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this hardnox is a warning sign for the other 31 teams in the league you better not air your laundry in public like that
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because it can come and bite you and bite you in the ass the the tragedy SL
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comical situation slash whatever you want to call it thing about hard KNX is this some people agree with this some
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people won't everything that could have gone wrong for the giants has gone wrong and you can look back at Hard Knocks and
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mock them for it at this point so some people there was a thread this
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morning that um somebody said drafting neighbors was incredibly stupid now you
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can make an argument why neighbors should have been drafted you can make an an argument why the quarterback should
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not have been drafted but in hindsight it looks like
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as of today and again December 7th it and we may have a different conversation three years from now who knows what
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neighbors will be then and what the other quarterbacks will be then but right now players are I mean it looks
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like you know what a lot of people had said on the website saying who cares if you got a wide receiver it's what you
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said you made a great analogy about the what do you call him a Ford Pinto at quarterback is that what you said you
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you have the Ford Pinto at quarterback throwing what did you say throwing got a Ferrari outside so so and there are other people
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on the website who who had a problem with that when they drafted him but you can make the argument you can see why
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again because you don't believe in the other quarterbacks and you do believe in the wide receiver however everything that's happened and
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the same thing with barley the same thing with mcken did you really want to would you rather have an impact pass
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rusher I.E Burns or a um safety who has
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been kind of bit up and down people don't want to admit this too but mcken was kind of up and down as a player oh
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yeah absolutely Barkley was kind of up and down as a player because so there was a rationale but everything that
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could I mean Shane's got to be going sitting in his office right now going what else can go wrong that makes me
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look like an idiot because that's kind of what's going on right now and and it's almost like people have talked
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about this for years it's almost like this this team has been jinxed or cursed it's almost like we all said dear God if
44:45
we can just beat the Patriots P we I I'll accept anything and it looks
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like we're still whatever prayers we put out there at that moment they're still coming back
44:58
to haunt us because it looks like this franchise is cursed at this point so here here's a piece that as you were
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talking that I started to think here's another reason why I think maybe Shane
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and his overall staff deserves to come back and day ball doesn't if you go back to hard kns and
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you look at their discussion of the draft and they're talking to uh John Mara they're talking to Steve Tish
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they're he's got his stuff up on the board if you remember it's on the white board there some stuff on the sides and they say if this happens if this happens
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if you look at the way he kind of planned out the thing he nailed pretty much how everything was going to go in
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front of them and on the players that they were very interested in the guys that they were even considering they're
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all good players including the tight end including the tight end I was gonna say that all three quarterbacks they had Bowers up there that guy has been
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whatever alt was up there but even though they probably weren't going to go offensive tackle they had them there
45:54
then they had the receivers and they pretty much nailed it that's the part that I think works very
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negatively for for Brian debal Shane nailed the way the draft was going to go and who the players were and
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who they wanted and why they would want them where they would want them and whatever all of them were considered
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really good D ball was all gung-ho at if you take out Daniels and and I assume
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Williams and definitely May although they never really said his name about we want may he did say it about but we know
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they did but we know they did we know they did when they did when they did breakdown
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yeah but from there who did he want he wanted neighbors he wanted them he
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wanted them he wanted them well you got them and guess what your offense sucks of all the things Shane his part of the
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draft piece and the way they slotted it was really he had it planned he had the players D ball was the voice that said
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give me the dog and that's ultimately where they went and you haven't done anything with it you haven't been able
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to scheme him open even when Jones was the quarterback Jones isn't hitting him he's not getting open and now that dog
47:05
is biting you in the ass we heard rumors about practice you're not you're not the only person who heard the rumor I heard
47:13
um uh Skinner bring it up on his show that there are R there were rumors that that neighbors dogs it in practice and
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now he's getting dinged in practice where he misses time out of nowhere he practices and then suddenly doesn't yeah
47:26
you notice he's missing practice late in weeks now it's there's a trend Trend seems to be um the thing that you just
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said is some really critical so
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D loves neighbors but it doesn't seem to be reciprocated agreed it doesn't seem
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yeah I don't think neighbors thinks that much of of D and that's I don't think he respects him for sure I don't think he
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respects dball as the authority piece to him he seems to throw him under the bus
47:59
quite a bit after after games so without without question I don't you know that's
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not a good look either so my problem with Shane is this okay I can come up with the reasons to keep Shane but my
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big problems with Shane right now are this the the Daniel Jones decision how they handled Squan
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Barkley I even throw in little things like why didn't you trade oari why
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didn't you look to trade Slayton um but they can't D seem to be able to draft an
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offensive line Evan Neil still again Colin talked about this he's right we
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all we all talked about this I mean Evan Neil looked like a sure a thing as there was and for whatever reason to me that's
48:41
still the one of the biggest mysteries I I have no idea but the guy he's a bust and why that is is beyond me at this
48:49
point but it's that's a huge black eye for Shane at this point yeah again he's got to feel cursed I mean because
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everybody had Evan Neil as their top tackle in in the draft in a draft that
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had three really good offensive lineman right and and he quote unquote fell into
49:08
their laps even they didn't even you know they took Tibido and but that the Schmid's pick looks bad now and so um
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and then D brought I mean Shane brought dble in so so Shane has got these these negative
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hits happening to him too you know we can we can talk about some of the good things that he's done and like you said
49:30
the there are things in Hard Knocks that said you well he's not an idiot he's he's he seems to be able to evaluate
49:36
some guys but whatever reason it's some of these guys haven't panned out but there's there's enough there there's
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enough F there for someone who doesn't like him to say he's made too many
49:47
mistakes too so sure and all and a lot of them are tied to the offensive line
49:52
almost every one of his offensive line picks have I mean even JM is regressing badly right now yeah I don't again
49:59
that's another one I again there are people like Sai who said he had athletic
50:05
limitations but most centers have athletic limitations that's why they play center that's one of the reasons
50:10
why people put people at Center one is they don't have long arms and the other one is they they don't have you know
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that that and that's why a lot of guards play guard and don't play tackle it's but
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he he shouldn't be this bad and again I don't think you can blame the coaching
50:28
at this point because we brought in a new offensive line coach who works wonders with the Raiders and our guards are playing all right right now right so
50:35
I don't well you it's really hard to out to uh coach correct vava basically
50:41
picking you up and carrying you like a freaking backpack all the way into the back field and dropping you on your back there's not much you can coach out of
50:47
that he clearly he's not as functionally strong as you would like to be like when you are a center and you're somewhat
50:54
undersized he's not he's not huge for a center right he's you got to be you got to have almost that wrestling strength
51:01
and he doesn't have that and he doesn't have the redirect quickness with his feet that's what talks about he gets
51:08
tied up yeah but you're right I mean but shaa Hera didn't have that stuff either
51:13
that's what I mean he a little bit more anchor though he was a little he was a little more Stout yeah well I remember
51:19
people on on on the website wanted to get rid of sha oara because he they they can bull rush him and he's not very
51:25
strong well we move on from O'Hara and I might be flipping the order did we move
51:30
on froma to boss got yeah yes to boss so and he who was a big guy so um but again
51:38
things have gone wrong enough things my gut tells me Shane's going to be back
51:44
because I but I don't know and again I've told you I've heard two separate
51:50
things I've heard people say one's gone I've heard three separate things I've
51:55
heard somebody say both are gone I've heard somebody say um one is
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gone you know the coach is gone and another say the GM is gone so I have so
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I don't know what's going I don't know what's going to happen right now all I know is this and I know we're repeating ourselves this time this isn't working
52:13
we we are so bad right now that the fan base right now I think is so beaten down
52:19
that sometimes we lose sight about how bad this team is right now it's just not even competitive right now it's just I
52:26
mean the fact fact that we we go to Germany and we lose to the
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Panthers um we can't beat Dallas ever even when they play their backup quarterback and half their team isn't
52:37
playing um we're probably going to lose the Saints this weekend and it could be ugly and people are still going to say
52:44
well the injuries the injuries well the injuries weren't an issue until lately that we weren't a horribly injured team
52:50
other than Andrew Thomas being out we haven't been a real beat up team compare with other teams we haven't been that
52:55
really beat up so right right now correct me if I'm wrong Dallas has four wins or five
53:01
wins didn't we give him their fifth win I I don't know I don't know I B it up that yeah the reason I say that is
53:08
because of their wins two of them are us like you I mean like they they're a bad
53:14
they're a bad team let's not pretend that they're not they were getting they got they put they allowed 40 plus points
53:20
to the Saints early in the season the same we can't score and we can't score against the Saints lost a
53:27
game to the Eagles at home because the Saints couldn't put up more than I think they had like 13 points in that game
53:33
Philly barely barely scored I think Philly had like 15 or 16 points in a game it was such a but but New Orleans
53:40
couldn't score but they put 40 on Dallas Baltimore put 40 on Dallas we gave them their only home win yeah they're five
53:45
and seven they're five and seven okay so five so two of their five wins are us yeah and one other win is Washington
53:52
where I don't know how the hell Washington lost that game to to the beat up Cowboys team so if you think about it
53:58
three of the Cowboys wins came from their own division another reason for us why winning some of your own division
54:03
games is very helpful because you you just don't know we we can't even do that we can't even play Bad teams and
54:09
win well sorry no um D can't win in the
54:15
NFC East this is a threeyear this has been a three-year problem for right and the only team he was able to beat were
54:22
the commanders who now they swept us so and they look like they're going to be
54:28
better for us moving forward so we have a head coach who can't win division games so that's not good that's not good
54:35
I mean look at the coaches we've had I mean I I again you and I are older guys
54:41
but I don't think we ever had a head coach we've gone through head coaches but Dan Reeves even even Ray Hanley
54:48
weren't this bad against the division Ray Hanley Ray Hanley won division games
54:53
um DAV can't DAV can't beat bad teams in the division like you said Dallas isn't
54:59
good this year their defense was a train wreck we go in down there and we play them and we gave up six sacks and and
55:07
lock is hit 40% of the time he drops back to pass and we make them look
55:12
like Elite defense again Mah Parsons is running all over the place we don't see
55:18
right you think that you think our game plan would be where's michah Parsons and that's the guy we got to focus on but no
55:25
let's let him run right by us like said's chasing chasing the guy that was
55:31
so bad that was so bad but even if you even if you want to take that game out you just go back to the first Dallas
55:37
game that's at home for us we can't do anything we we went into
55:43
that game I remember you and I having this conversation and your biggest fear was like oh my God here we are we're
55:49
going in we got another guy we're pulling off the street to be the kicker you watch it's going to come down to a kick and we're g what happened our
55:55
kicker makes every freaking kick that we but because we can't score touchdowns it doesn't matter and we still lose a close
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game right but at home we we anyway and
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and then compare that to the Dan Reeves teams who were not good and other than
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the 93 team and and the we go and we're playing a Dallas team that was at that
56:20
time a perennial I mean Dallas's offensive line during the 90s was I mean
56:26
that absolutely they were like you looked at them and they were they were I mean that team was so good Barry they
56:33
made Barry Switzer look like a good coach for a while right um but then Dan Rees would go in and play Dallas and
56:40
either upset them or keep the game close so there you know with Dave Brown as your quarterback with Dave Brown as your
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quarterback and no wide receivers and we had a decent offensive line in a decent defense but we were in those games and
56:53
we occasionally we would upset I I mentioned this before like the Tito Wen play where you know but you would have
56:59
you know the fullback would be the hero of the game but ar ar our DAV can't beat
57:04
the NFC we used to have coaches that couldn't beat certain teams in the NFC East you know we talked about the fossil
57:11
for whatever reason always beat the Eagles he just right right and Caan had problems beating the Eagles corre weird
57:18
but DAV can't beat anybody in the division now so why again what are you
57:24
hanging your hat on with him I I'd like to say bring him back but anyways we
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yeah so couple things um we are going to try to keep these a little bit tighter but
57:36
um looking ahead let's assume we well actually I'm not gonna say you brought up retread for a coach is there is there
57:43
a retread coach that has not been discussed prominently that you think
57:48
could be because I do have one in mind now after you talked earlier I'm gonna I'm GNA Lobby for the guy that I I um
57:56
everyone seems to be no dear God no because he proved he couldn't be a a
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head coach before I would I would seriously look at bringing spags back as as a coach and the reason I would say is
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two things one we've already seen that sometimes again bill belich is was the
58:15
number one example some guys sometimes the first destination for a coach doesn't work out the other thing is is
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I this is where my subjective bias is is feeding into this and may not be good I
58:28
am so tired of having a horrible defense that I can't stand it and this has been
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going on we've had I at some point I'm going to post on the website how many
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defensive coordinators we've gone through since the Super Bowl and again we've talked about the Super Bowl
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defense wasn't the last two 2011 defense wasn't good either they got hot in the playoffs they weren't good either we
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have we have been so bad and when I watch Kansas City I always come across
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how well coached they are on defense and I part of me says spags the Giants know spags spags
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knows the Giants he's learned a lot under Reed um he would be a safer pick so we're
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talking retreads I know there are a lot of guys out there that aren't retreads again if they want to roll the dice
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again and say that but in terms of retreads I think the one guy that's not getting enough attention when I watch
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Kansas City right now it's their defense for the last couple years to me that's been carrying that team so I'm going to
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say a guy that I originally uh somebody else mentioned it months ago and I was like no no no no no but now you were
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saying something earlier I've been thinking about it a little bit and I'm kind of thinking if Shane
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stays then you need I do think you need to bring a coach who's coached before I think Arthur Smith the
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offensive coordinator of Pittsburgh becomes an option here because we very well may be taking one
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of those quarterbacks that's on Pittsburgh right now as a bridge also pay attention to the game this weekend
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Derek Carr is going to be possibly available to anybody as well because the Saints cap situation is so bad they've
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they're going to have to get rid of players and even getting rid of them doesn't necessarily free up cap space it
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just takes up less cap space if that makes sense they're going to lose money no matter what but in order to get rid
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of them long term they're going to have to get rid of some of these guys and I think Carr will probably be one of them so he's a guy we might be looking
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at too but I think Arthur Smith you come in and if he can do what he's done with
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Pittsburgh's offense which is not that great by the way I mean they've got a decent tight end their offensive line is
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not good they're receivers outside of Pickins and Pickins is a head case so if
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you can work with Pickins then you probably could work with neighbors I think you could get something with and Smith has experience his teams weren't
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bad they played they were very consistent they just had nothing at quarterback and they they struggled to
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to to build those wins I think if he you bring him in get a good defensive
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coordinator to come in now you've got something if Shane can pull the draft
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off and get a good well I it needs to be a quarterback that can move around
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because Smith likes his quarterbacks he likes to run and he likes that option so I think he's a guy to keep an eye if I
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was looking at retreads besides Vel which I would love it to be Vel I think that's Arthur Smith or somebody consider
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well there's a there's the one um thing to keep in mind is something Colin brought up too is sometimes you have to
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wonder if and this this gets this this argument supports what you're you're
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getting at um and it works against what I'm getting at sometimes you have to work look at who the coach has to work
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with and we talked about Ben Johnson in Detroit the off coordinator he's got he's they're loaded
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so they're really Innovative and they they're really exciting but Colin says well how much has that to do with the
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Personnel it's a really good question and again spags he's got a lot of really
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good players on that Kansas City team does that translate so sometimes you have to wonder like like do you look at
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the coach who does more with less or do you look at the coach that is
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just nailing knocking out of the park but a lot of that might be due to the Personnel so there's that variable
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variable is what we are talked about is do you go with a retread or do you go
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and try swing for the fences and get the next hot young hot um coordinator who
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right most of the time those guys don't pan out but the you know if if you do get somebody like San Francisco got your
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your gold and that's that's you know we wanted to we we're hoping we did that
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with shmer and McAdoo and judge oh Jesus Christ there's so many of these guys now
1:02:54
spag um um da and it just hasn't worked out so that's why I'm kind of thinking
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and I I I know that's where you're thinking but I think that's what mea must be thinking is I can't take another
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risk of swinging for the fences here because I'm running out of at bats and
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that's that's why I think they may go with u a more experienced person it's
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too bad that there isn't somebody like a younger bellich who really wanted to come here or a really much younger cow
1:03:27
or or or things had worked out where Shawn Payton would have been available because Shawn Payton has a history here
1:03:34
I mean if Shawn Payton was here we we feel a lot better about our situation but true we missed the boat on that we
1:03:40
missed the boat on harball and and I don't think um Mero would have gone for Hardball anyway if you look at the
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history of the Giants we've done both even during successful times so you had Ray Perkins and Perkins was it took a
1:03:54
little while and honestly it didn't really turn until Sims was able to play
1:03:59
somewhat but even he was injured a lot it was LT that changed the course of where that went but then Perkins got the
1:04:05
opportunity to replace Bear Bryant so we went in staff and we brought parcel's up
1:04:10
who was a big gamble that was a big game and and he struggled that first year but that also you had parcels and bellich I
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mean talk about Hall of Fame coaches on the same freaking staff you was like an
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intern at that point he was he was a young yeah he a young whiz kid you know
1:04:27
and and he became the DC yeah we went that path though with parcel's leaving
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they elevate Hanley and that was an utter failure they go outside of that and they go get a very established Dan
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Reeves which looked great the first year in as he as he morphed everything into
1:04:46
you know New York Broncos brought everybody over but that failed then we went young guy who had a
1:04:52
connection to the previous Giants so we always kind of find that connection and we bring fossil in that starts out well
1:05:00
then it kind of comes down then we get our quarterback we make us kind of a wild run to the Super Bowl pushing my
1:05:06
chips into the middle of the table we're all in we make to the Super Bowl we get blown out that Peters out and then we go
1:05:13
get the experienced previous guy but also who had a connection to the Giants
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this is why I still think that no matter what happens if they go this route they're gonna make a phone call to
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bellich experienced tied to the team but it also falls into your piece if they don't go
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belic then spags make sense experience I think he makes a lot of sense to the GI
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because of the tie-in and that's how they do stuff they that's how they do stuff even Joe judge that had to have
1:05:43
been a conversation with belich who recommended him there's no way they
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randomly picked Joe judge who's a no name on that Patriot staff without bellich giving them the okay well they
1:05:55
might belich might have had a conversation with mea about dble too I I think I think that is very true because
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that was part of the uh lawsuit of Flores who basically said that's a really bad look for the Giants honestly
1:06:10
I would love to see them come out and say listen we want to talk to Brian Flores again we feel really bad about the way things went last time and we
1:06:16
really want to sit down and talk to you I this is gonna sound weird and I and I hope it doesn't come off that way I kind
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of almost think the Giants really do need to start looking you shouldn't always pick somebody who
1:06:28
looks the same as some of the people you picked before just G to say that I I I think you've avoided there is a there is
1:06:35
a knock by some people that the Giants avoid black quarterbacks I don't believe that to be true because we've had
1:06:40
backups but they always believe the face of the franchise looks like Eli if you want to tie it to race great I think
1:06:46
it's more they think he's just you know the prototypical New York Giant 6'4 you
1:06:51
know going to be quiet going to be the guy who's going to be all you know team and not versus the personality I don't
1:06:58
think it's I don't always think it's race but I do think that was a really bad look at what happened with the Flor
1:07:03
thing when it came out now I think he also with issues with other teams it was a little weird but I don't think he's
1:07:10
wrong though because quite frankly he he was the more qualified candidate if but if you're gonna go defense you got to
1:07:17
bring him in as at least for an interview you you got him it depends on how up it depends on how upset ownership
1:07:25
is with the lawsuit so some people hold grudges so we'll see that's true um the
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only thing and I haven't really followed that closely the only thing about that the flor's thing was he didn't come off
1:07:38
looking good either true stuff there was stuff in there you were like really so I
1:07:43
didn't think anyone came off looking good in that whole situation so some people hold grudges I can see the miror
1:07:49
being one of those one of those teams that hold grudges um uh people that hold
1:07:54
grudges we see um yeah I mean we'll see I I don't think I've always had had a
1:08:01
problem and we should cut this because we're we've already gone longer than we should I've always had people who have
1:08:07
who who say that the mirors are being racist because the because they've had
1:08:16
Jerry Reese's general manager who ran the whole you know who ran the whole whole darn thing I just don't you know I
1:08:21
I don't I don't think that I think they've had the the biggest issue if you believe in that with the quarterbacks is
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the Giants have had three quarterbacks who have been in now four
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who have been just been there a really long time so you had Phil Sims was there for Christ what was it 12 years well so
1:08:42
79 to 93 yeah even longer than that so Manning was there forever Eli was there
1:08:48
forever Colin Carrie Collins was there for a decent period and Daniel Jones was there for a decent period if you look at
1:08:54
some other teams like the the Cleveland Browns or the or the commander Redskins
1:08:59
and how many quarterbacks they they've gone through in a 20-year period it's it's night and day difference sure it'll
1:09:06
be more let's let's put this way who what quarterback are they scouting the hell out of right now about right now so
1:09:12
it's Sanders told my wife my wife can't stand Dion and I mentioned that that they're
1:09:18
scouting Dion's son and she's like oh God no not not Dion's son cuz she
1:09:23
doesn't know anything about college football all she remembers is Dion Sanders and she can't stand Dion Sanders
1:09:31
so I started going Prime Time Prime you know if you if you wanted to grease the skids
1:09:38
about bringing them on board and you wanted to change some of the excitement of the fan base yeah Sanders would make
1:09:44
a lot yeah but I'm going I'm going one step further than that if you really wanted to do something kind of off the
1:09:51
charts Oh you mean hire his father you bring dad in and you draft the son I'm not saying do it I don't want that but
1:09:57
I'm saying if you really wanted to change the the perception especially even in the league among
1:10:04
players you would make players suddenly want to come no you're right you're right but I'm not saying do it because I
1:10:09
I don't think he's a good coach but it's not a race thing but do you see the the mea doing that I I can't because he's
1:10:16
just such a personality but can you imagine how funny would it be if we did
1:10:21
that and you drafted and you drafted Sanders and Sanders ERS brings Pat shurmer as his offensive coordinator I
1:10:29
mean let's get the band together let's go find who who do we have as defensive coord bring him in I mean it I could
1:10:36
easily see it happening they're spending a whole lot of time going to Colorado yes they are yeah we talked
1:10:43
about that I think well there's two quarterbacks right now that they're going to if they're going to look a
1:10:48
quarterback that looks you know we're not but but have you heard a one word of us going to Miami no
1:10:55
we seem to be locked in on one guy so far yeah and they tend to wear their heart on their sleeve so that makes so
1:11:02
that there's there's probably interest there but there also the there are been times when this
1:11:09
franchise has tried to hide their interest by figting interest someplace else true not
1:11:15
showing interest in yeah we think we're really smart we're we're not here's the other caveat though we we
1:11:22
spoke to the Colorado team I mean you had you had Brown speaking you had Brown
1:11:28
speaking to the team next thing you know the next time out Shane's out there you've got a bunch of people I'm telling
1:11:33
you don't if that happens I'm G to be the first person who said it like I'm there's something odd going on with us
1:11:41
in Colorado and I think for they know for sure at the very least they know they need daddy Dion to buy in or he
1:11:48
could easily talk his kid out of coming here yeah the other thing last thing I want to bring up for this show too is
1:11:54
with Shane and I I've been thinking a little bit about this too remember there's a lot of people in the building now who either
1:12:02
are considered upand cominging possible GM prospects like brown y there's also a
1:12:09
couple of people in the building who have actually been general managers before um we've got the guy from the
1:12:14
Titans crowden and uh the guy whose Name Escapes me who was down in Miami um who
1:12:20
was he's been tied at the hip with um oh um Shane when they Scout I God I can't
1:12:27
believe I can't remember his name but there are a couple people in the building right now I'll try to see if I can find it while I'm doing this there
1:12:32
are a couple people in the building now that if they wanted to move away from Shane that have been with other teams
1:12:40
and might be getting interviews as well too um I I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing I'm just bringing
1:12:46
bringing to are in there are because we were talking about in the in the last few years well wow the Giants are
1:12:53
putting together quite the person Department here because look at all the xgm and Personnel directors they're
1:12:59
bringing in so um so I I just throw that out too well you're looking at that real
1:13:05
quick just to help some people some corrections please stop bringing up the 24 draft as being this Monumental draft
1:13:12
that that Joe Shane has had for a couple Reasons I'm not saying it not it might not develop that way but if you keep
1:13:18
pointing to like look how many starters we have I'm going to tell you there's a reason why we don't have a lot of good
1:13:24
players a lot of these guys are starting because they don't have a choice at the moment don't just use that I hate it
1:13:31
when people use stats or some other thing in a Down Season to justify and I
1:13:37
go back to 2014 so many people on BBI elsewhere with with Giants fans totally
1:13:44
loved our offense oh our offense is this and this and this and you know it's because it's the defense we just got to
1:13:49
fix the defense and I kept thinking you're using a Down Season to justify
1:13:55
you're using games where we were trailing a lot so we were throwing the ball a ton and we're getting you know
1:14:02
garbage yards and garbage touchdowns never use anything in a Bad
1:14:07
season as justification for or against something use common sense and look at look at the totality of what you're
1:14:13
dealing with the Giants have a lot of young players playing right now that doesn't necessarily mean that we had a spectacular draft and they're all going
1:14:20
to be great we don't have an option Tracy's starting because basically single t wasn't doing the job as well as
1:14:26
they wanted to and he got nicked a little bit and Tracy started to play but we only have three running backs really I mean it doesn't matter Johnson's
1:14:33
playing because Bellinger has disappeared and manher is only there to block so Johnson was playing in but he
1:14:40
didn't do a lot early on and neighbors should be a superstar even with a bad quarterback he should be breaking some
1:14:46
long stuff that's his speed have you seen it translate to the field no so we have to see yeah I you can make
1:14:53
arguments that those some of those guys are playing have promise but like a guy like Tyler nuben I expected more of so
1:15:00
far but but again my point is just because they're starting and I'm not saying they're good or bad just don't
1:15:06
use it as a justification to say it was a great draft oh yeah we don't know that yet well remember we thought Bellinger
1:15:12
was going to solve the tight end issue when he was a rookie and look where he is now now he's an afterthought so you
1:15:17
just don't know it people have said this for decades you can't judge a draft until three or four years three years
1:15:24
three years yeah it's Dennis hickey who yeah so Dennis hickey was a GM down with
1:15:29
a with the um I said crowden I mean Cowen yeah we got a couple of guys in the building that might get interview um
1:15:37
and course of Mera might still think highly of Kevin Abrams who if if
1:15:44
mea I the one thing I know I I'm G to scare people with this and I'm not saying this
1:15:50
is going to happen but if mea really does have confirmation bias after this season he might you know you could go
1:15:58
back and he could revert back to form and say I'm going to go go with what I wanted originally and have Kevin Abrams
1:16:04
be the general manager of this team and that's who I really kind of wanted um after Gelman left but I convinced myself
1:16:10
to look outside the building so people inside the building that they could could could look at that would be really
1:16:16
bad if they if if they did move on from Shane but stayed in house you got to you got to give it the you got to give Brown
1:16:22
the opportunity everything that he's he's shown everything you hear him talk he he's he's he's an upand cominging
1:16:30
guy and I'm not disagreeing with that I just don't know again with anybody that's in the building I don't know what
1:16:36
that's based on right now because part of what's happened so I think right now
1:16:41
everybody's got a the stink of losing on them right now um right rightfully or or
1:16:47
or um uh wrongly I just don't know why
1:16:53
anyone you would say anyone's doing a good job right now because of of the the results on the field so um BR if you're
1:17:01
going to criticize Shane for the draft picks and criticize Shane for the free agent signings doesn't brown bear some
1:17:07
responsibility sure absolutely no you're right I I just I know a lot of people
1:17:12
immediately um I think Brown looks like a cool guy I think he looks he seems like a nice guy and he looks like a cool
1:17:18
guy and I think people get caught up on that I'm a results Orient oriented person I
1:17:25
I I don't mind if the guy's an [ __ ] if he does his job right and that's you know Bill Parcels was not a nice guy you
1:17:34
know no no um bill um Tom coffin wasn't a nice guy I mean defitely is not is is
1:17:43
Def not you know so it's like the old westerns you want to bring in the guy you know the tough guy that does the job
1:17:50
and it's like the movie Unforgiven you get bring in the guy
1:17:55
takes off so um I was on that note I I think we run our course on sure so uh
1:18:02
this this coming game anything or anybody in particular You're Gonna Want To Be you're paying attention to or or
1:18:09
something a theme you're looking to see or is it more just like I know this is a car wreck and I just have to watch the
1:18:15
car wreck and I think there's an opportunity here for some young guys who not normally wouldn't normally play to
1:18:22
make a statement and show that hey I've got some heart and I've got some pride
1:18:28
and I don't care if the stars above me are playing like crap I'm going to this
1:18:35
football's football I'm going to go out there I'm going to have fun and I'm going to and I'm going to show my skill set so I'm actually curious to see if
1:18:43
some of the young guys who not don't haven't had a chance make
1:18:49
a statement that's what I'm looking at cuz any I don't see anything else in here to really hang my hat on with this
1:18:55
thing the quarterback situation Drew Lock's not going to be here next year so I I what if I don't care if he looks
1:19:01
great or he doesn't look great because he's not gonna be here next year right so I um I'd like to see hayatt play over
1:19:08
Slayton or if neighbors is out then that heill should be on the start because you just got to see what you got at him you
1:19:13
got he's got to get playing time or or we're literally going to be going into next year going we can't count on this
1:19:18
guy at all so he you know we we got another hole at wide receiver so I want
1:19:23
to see him play I think I like see doich we just signed at tight end he's a good pass receiver I don't think he's much of
1:19:29
a blocker and if I remember correctly he had injury issues and I thought some of them were concussions issues coming out
1:19:35
of college so we have to go back and look I might be wrong hamstring hamstring issues when he was with with
1:19:40
Denver I don't know what the concussions were I don't he's going to be ready yet I I I mean I don't know if we'll see him
1:19:47
or not I mean we could he might have to play I don't know was he UCLA did he go to did he go to UCLA I'm not sure I'd
1:19:53
have to go back and look but he's um but he's got hands he's a good receiver he's a definitely a good receiver I've seen him play for the
1:19:59
Broncos a few times last year he's he he's a good receiver he just he hasn't played much who's going to be playing
1:20:06
defensive tackle for us I mean because everybody's out so well this is Jordan Riley's opportunity to show whether he
1:20:12
should be there or not be that's what I mean there are guys like that that this is hey this is it this is your this is
1:20:19
your opportunity and he may look awful but this is and Chapman too
1:20:25
the same thing but who else is there even I mean they're going to have to bring somebody up from the practice they may have to
1:20:31
bring up like Casey Rogers or somebody nothing screams really good run defense
1:20:36
than a really undersized defensive tackle play not not only undersized the most undersized guy I mean it's as small
1:20:43
as you can get real quick let me just see on the defensive line because Davidson's out too um holy crap I mean
1:20:51
they may have to play this Cory D well you've got is uh watts is he is he healthy I think Watts Reserve oh yeah
1:20:59
forget that then yeah wow we are really we are really bad I mean they may have to play this Cory Duran guy and then on
1:21:05
the practice squad let me just see who's on the practice squad um besides Rogers I like Rogers in in training camp I I he
1:21:12
showed some flashes I you know not not he was ready to play but um I maybe we
1:21:18
could put Evan Neil out there let's see if he can play defensive tackle he can't play offensive tackle like give it a shot I mean you
1:21:25
just got to stand in a way he clearly shows he knows how to run back towards the quarterback we have we have Elijah
1:21:32
Garcia on the on the practice squad too so uh former former Arizona Cardinal I
1:21:37
believe oh boy this is not yeah it's gonna get and and our our linebackers
1:21:43
are like it's so bad that they probably would have activated Johnson but I don't think they can I think you need you need
1:21:49
the spaces for other people now now remember the secondary is kind of beat up too because uh um um Banks is out
1:21:57
Banks is out and then Andrew Phillips is kind of dinged up and he's questionable and then they're going to play but nuben
1:22:03
and Belton are hurt um at safety um and the linebackers are beat
1:22:09
up because Bobby is out and um one of the other linebackers I
1:22:16
thought's been dealing with something well mcfaden has been having a back off and on I don't know if that's still bothering him but yeah I don't think
1:22:21
he's on the injury report but there's been other people in um it's just it's so bad it's just it it's
1:22:27
bad it's bad it's bad I mean I know it's a bad season but I mean it's so bad that way and injuries pile up and I know a
1:22:33
couple people kind of try to jump on me when I posted just saying back to what I had said before
1:22:38
the day ball clearly mentioned multiple times that new bana neighbors were injured in practice they were not
1:22:45
injuries from before they were new injuries and it happened in practice and when it's soft tissue injuries in
1:22:50
practice I have a real big question on that late in the year and neighbors as you pointed out this is multiple times
1:22:56
now where all of a sudden he just doesn't practice yeah he'll practice on Wednesday and then on Thursday or Friday
1:23:02
he's out and he seems to have no problem and this would not happen under a bill bellek regime he has no problem telling
1:23:09
people about his injury when whenever they ask him you know he he even talked about his groin being bothering him back
1:23:15
to college coming out of college it's been bad didn't manage it yeah what what
1:23:20
organization wants you telling everybody that that so the some of that stuff is
1:23:28
going to I think is going to play in the category of if you're going to get rid of D ball this is going to be another
1:23:34
check over here you got guys kind of doing their own thing that they shouldn't be doing and I don't think
1:23:40
he's he's not a anyway so as far as the game goes you those are yours I I want
1:23:45
to see Hyatt um whoever we throw on the defensive line um offensive line wise
1:23:51
I'd like to I hope kubis is active but he probably won't won't be just because we needed multiple tackles but um I
1:23:58
would like to see him get some playing time at some point here in the near future and then Eric gray you're gonna have to play a little bit because if
1:24:04
you're gonna you know basically stake a spot on this roster it can't be as a kick returner because you suck so it
1:24:12
either has to be as a running back or we need to move on right I I'm I guess I'm
1:24:17
more disappointed now as you said there's more Talent on this team the problem is it doesn't it's like a it's
1:24:24
it's like we have a bunch of talented puzzle pieces unfortunately they're all from different puzzles well and the
1:24:29
talent thing is now been overtaken by the injury thing so which I hope mea and
1:24:36
everyone realizes you can't blame the injuries up until this point but you can start to say it's going to
1:24:43
be a problem moving forward but that's not why we're two and 10 the injuries are not why we're 2 and 10 but it might
1:24:49
be why we end up um 2 and 15 so you
1:24:55
know can you imagine how bad can you imagine how bad the Ravens Giants game
1:25:02
is going to be and how bad the Eagles Giants game is going to be um assuming
1:25:08
Philadelphia has something to play for but even if they don't games are just going to be Rock Bottom for this
1:25:14
franchise I can't imagine how many rushing yards this team is going to give up to those two team even if the Eagles
1:25:19
don't have anything to play for I I think right now their backups overall are better than our team that we we're going to put out there because they're
1:25:25
they're a team we we got pieces we're pulling people and just throwing them out there going I you just know the when
1:25:32
the ball snaps start moving well by that time we're going to are again people are going to say injuries but by that time
1:25:38
you're going to have lots of people on I and they're going to be the Giants are going to be playing guys that shouldn't
1:25:44
even be on the roster and people are going to say well you you said the Giants roster I'm talking about the roster when it was in September and
1:25:51
October the Giants roster in September and October is better if you go back and look at
1:25:57
what who was playing offense and defense for the Giants in 2022 You' be amazed at
1:26:02
how bad oh my God yeah those guys aren't even in the league we're talking sorry and we're
1:26:09
talking from week one yeah you know when they they when we rolled out against the Titans you Chris Myrick you know we
1:26:17
playing guys that I mean on on in the secondary at wide receiver on you know
1:26:22
you go you go down at line I mean people forget we had that um was it was it Crowder at
1:26:30
linebacker awful players I mean and so people forget how bad that team was and
1:26:36
it was and this team is better than last year's team but it doesn't look at and people are going to say are you on crack
1:26:41
but if you were drafting or picking these players up and I will say this
1:26:46
too look at how many players this team has lost that we were okay with and now
1:26:53
are doing great on other teams right so uh and it's not just saquan but it's other it's other players now too so
1:27:00
that's kind of an indictment on the coaching staff too if if you look at history real quick if you look at like
1:27:07
the Giants under fossil 2000 we make the Super Bowl very surprise run um make the
1:27:13
Super Bowl 2001 we were yeah we there at the end of the year whatever
1:27:20
2002 we make another playoff run and actually of who knows what might have
1:27:25
happened right after the 49 game but but that was a very beat up team by the way though at that point right in 2003 the
1:27:32
wheels came off there was obviously some now looking back on it things you hear there must have been some behindth
1:27:39
scenes stuff too because you were Super Bowl playoff within a three-year span
1:27:45
then you won four games that that that that season was awful That season was awful four games on the pace we're on
1:27:53
right now that would be double the wins that D ball will have this year and if you won six the year before keep in mind
1:28:01
six out of 17 where we played teams like the Patriots who were worse than us because
1:28:08
we beat them the Jets were pretty shitty and they beat us I mean there was a lot
1:28:14
of bad football and fosil left before the end of the year didn't he in 20 then
1:28:19
he he announced because he knew he was being fired right yes that's how bad that year was yes and this year is worse
1:28:26
this year is worse and like you said like where we started if you threw this as a chart it's trending down and it's
1:28:34
trending down to the point that we beat Cleveland when they had DeShaun Watson and they couldn't score any points and
1:28:39
that game was still close later in the second half we beat Seattle and again if we didn't block that field goal who
1:28:46
knows how that game ultimately might have ended and that was our best game overall about how we played you talked
1:28:53
about how two 2002 22 you thought you know they they got away with some early
1:28:59
wins that made them look better than they are but remember even in the second half of the season the Giants crushed
1:29:06
the Colts and um again look there were games where we
1:29:11
looked nowhere near what we this team couldn't do what that team did then and
1:29:17
yet this team has more Talent than that team did not now again if people are going to say Jordan Riley's playing
1:29:24
defensive tackle I'm talking about when Dexter Lawrence was playing defensive tackle so it's right it's different so
1:29:29
if you look to the other thing to me why I think if One's Gonna Go and One's Gonna Stay it's gonna be Shane's gonna
1:29:35
stay and D's gonna go you can kind of see the Christmas tree every now and then behind my head at the red will show
1:29:41
um what good teams have we beaten outside of the Ravens and maybe
1:29:48
the Packers early in 22 under this regime the good teams when
1:29:53
we play we lose and we generally lose fairly decently like you knew early on
1:30:00
the game was over um and it's just been going down we don't beat teams in our
1:30:05
own Division and some of them aren't even that good I mean Washington is is
1:30:10
good better this year but they've won a miracle game against Chicago they should not have won they lost to Dallas at home
1:30:17
we should have beaten them had we not had a kicker out from the second the game started
1:30:24
this team is just going down down down bad team but the it's worse than what
1:30:29
you're saying the team can't what you're saying the team can't beat good teams this team can't beat bad teams now well
1:30:35
now but I'm saying even some of the wins though the both of the wins you know what I mean we stole them wi and and I
1:30:41
hate doing it now because I used to do it the other way too when you when when things are kind of there you're like we
1:30:47
were so close but now the the history says as Shane likes to say the best
1:30:52
indicator of future results is is what's you've seen in the past and that's where we are right now the past says we got
1:31:00
lucky against some bad teams and we stole a couple of bad games but we have yet to put together a string of of
1:31:06
quality play outside of the first six and two and even then it was a little
1:31:12
sketchy but I'm okay with sketchy when you're overmatched and your team is just
1:31:17
smarter and and consistent and you stay in there because that's how underdogs win it gets worse though though when you
1:31:24
you're stupid which we were look at the look what we did against the Steelers the dumbest two-point conversion play in
1:31:31
the history of the game I mean Jim zor's going see I'm not that bad so you know
1:31:37
like this is this is the kind of stuff that says you're just a bad you're it's
1:31:42
it's all bad there's nothing to hang your hat on there's nothing to hang your hat on so well enjoy uh you know a
1:31:49
beautiful holiday season with once again the Giants no pressure you don't you're
1:31:55
not GNA be full of angst just take a nap go out who knows take a na do some
1:32:03
chores if you suffer from insomnia watch the Giants offense I promise you you'll be napping before the game is over so
1:32:10
but uh if you want leave us comments or messages if there's things down the road you'd like to see us you know do or talk
1:32:16
about or if there's guests are not always easy to bail to do but if there's a type of guest like I want more draft
1:32:23
stuff or I want you know let us know we are going to keep trying to do stuff and as we get towards the end of the season
1:32:29
it will all be about 25 and what's going to happen right we'll have Sion again soon and absolutely we've talked about
1:32:35
having maybe some doing some history stuff with with some fan fan favorites like um Matt and so we we'll do some fun
1:32:43
things so nice with that being said like subscribe all that good stuff and uh we'll catch up with you again next week
1:32:49
where we will recap the Giants lost to the Saints uh and mo most likely Al Camaro's three rushing touchdowns and
1:32:56
who knows 200 plus yards so uh appreciate it and we'll catch up with you again real soon

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