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Insparya is the only hair group dedicated exclusively to the study of alopecia and follicular units.
Now established in Spain, they were co-founded in Portugal by Paulo Ramos and Cristiano Ronaldo, and now have 10 clinics, 14 years of experience and more than 50,000 patients.
Still not fully satisfied with the existing methods, Insparya want to be the engine of change and revolution in hair transplantation.
Group Chief Clinical Officer and Leader of the Research Group Carlos Portinha told Moody more about what they do.
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this is Bay radio then just gone quarter
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past 10 Mainland Spain could a bus nine
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UK Nikon area so Tuesday morning we're
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at 23rd of May today and going to talk
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to Carlos Carlos uh who is actually I
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don't know where you are good morning
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Carlos how are you hi hello good morning
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whereabouts well uh now I am in Madrid
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right uh flying to flying today to
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Valencia okay uh but but I'm originally
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from Portugal I'm a Portuguese guy okay
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now we're talking uh Inspire the group
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um you are the group medical director
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for this I've been teasing this up a
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couple of times uh at the Hair Company
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it says it didn't really use the word
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Clinic because just tell us about what
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you do there and give some idea okay I
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um I am the chief clinical officer of
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the group so uh I'm the leader of the
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clinical area uh being it uh the air
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transplants the alopecia treatments like
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mesotherapy like BRP and and some others
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and I'm also the leader of our research
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group because we are uh the only the
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only clinical group in this area
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operating in this area that has its own
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uh Research Center which is divided in
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in two in two branches the technology
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and the biomedical which is which is
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amazing
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no I see 10 clinics within the group
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there and a pretty well-known co-founder
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of the group tell us about that
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yeah well uh we started like 14 years
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ago in Portugal
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um and uh when we well uh and in
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Portugal we we did air transplants to
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lots lots lots of uh football players
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very well-known football players
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National and international and so uh our
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our partner Cristiano Ronaldo uh he knew
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us and he wanted to know about us he was
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uh he was willing to to invest in uh in
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in the health uh sector and he visited
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us he already had very good uh
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um should I say very good Impressions
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about us coming from from his colleagues
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and and friends that that he knew that
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the the address was with us so we came
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and visited us uh this was there was a
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big coincidence because uh we were
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preparing our expansion our
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International expansion because we only
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we were only in Portugal and uh so so we
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entered the group he's he's our partner
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uh and we started we started the the
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expansion we we changed the name to
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inspire we had another name a Portuguese
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name it shouldn't be readable anywhere
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else but Portugal sure so so we had to
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change the the name and created the
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brand Inspire which comes from
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inspiration yes and the inspiration in
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Inspiration in growing inspiration in
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doing everything well in in
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um bringing the best to to this to this
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area uh and that's what we do yeah they
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did offer us Cristiano to talk to and I
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said no no I want to speak to Carlos the
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group there's a group medical director
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for inspire so in Spain then with the
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clinics and this used to be I mean
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footballers have been the example I mean
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by the way I played Elton John just a
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few minutes ago and he's a a definite
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early example of people having work done
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as far as hair transplants go but
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famously
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um Wayne Rooney uh you know if him he
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had um yeah yeah that worked on it seems
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it would look pretty good so and it does
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these days doesn't it works really well
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because you'll notice yes it's not like
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a wig it's not something you're sticking
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on it's just tell us about the process
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how it works because you're using their
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real hair yeah I believe I believe
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Rooney will be even better if he if you
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need their transplant with us but well
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yeah sure
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no but the address plant is is very
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complex
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uh uh um what I mean with is complex and
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simple it's complex because it it needs
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to be done by people that do it very
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well that are very well trained uh you
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need to to have it done with the best
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technology in the market but at the end
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it is very simple our hair on the on the
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on the laterals and on the occipital
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area the the back side is different from
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the air we have at the top the people
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that suffer from from androgenic
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alopecia uh they they get bald because
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the hair
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um
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ages faster so it starts getting smaller
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and smaller and smaller and then it
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stops growing
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cut the air from the sides and the back
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of our of our health of our scalp as a
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different genetic information
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so it doesn't age this fast and that's
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this this difference it's it's what we
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uh um we we take advantage of this
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difference so we transplant the air the
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air follicles from this area which we
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call the donor area to the recipient
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area and we do it one by one that's why
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it's called fuv follicular unit
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extraction because we extract wonderful
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ingredient by by one follicle unit and
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then we implant it
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how you do it and the expertise of the
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people who do this makes a big
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difference uh on the on the on the
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results you have because you have uh I
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won't say names of the ones of the
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famous ones that have better transplants
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but you have several several famous
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people uh with air transplants and they
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have a bad result and then you have
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amazing results like Mark testagen like
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pin solo uh like so many so many
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football players uh to whom we did we
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did the egg transplants
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a friend of mine had it done I'm not
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sure if it was with you or not um he
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went to Madrid and he's very young so
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it's it's a psychological thing isn't it
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it's not just a vanity project for some
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people just because they start to lose
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theirs but yeah if you are young and
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it's you're really losing your hair then
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it's um it has a real effect on you
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yeah it's uh losing hair when you're you
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are young or old it depends on you uh it
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affects your self-esteem so it's
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psychological uh in some people some
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people suffer from depression uh for
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losing their hair and you can't control
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it it's not it's not a vanity thing as
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you say but there is another another
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very important aspect that I always talk
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to my patients and in in the interviews
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also which is the hair is the protection
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for the scalp yeah sure if you don't
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have if you don't have air and if you
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live in countries like Portugal like
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Spain with with all the sun we have with
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us with the sun exposure that we have
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you if you don't have hair protecting
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your scalp you you you will have sun
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damages and some of these Sun damages
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they can turn into a cancer into a
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malignant cancer so when you do a net
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transplant you you you give back some
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some the protection you lost uh during
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the developedia process yes so it's not
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it's not vanity it's not aesthetic it's
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way more than that way more than that
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this protection it's prevention it's
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Health prevention which is very
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important uh these days uh and it is of
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course also helping to to treat some
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self-esteem problems some some
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depression problems so it's way more
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than than just uh that's why it should
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it should be taken seriously and when
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you choose the clinic where to do it you
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should be aware you should know where
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you do it not going somewhere taking a
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plane you know what I mean and go and
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going to do to do an air transplant as
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if it is uh going and have a beer with a
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friend no it's not the same yes it's
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something that you should think about it
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sure is it available to everyone are
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there exceptions does someone turn up
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and you say look we can't do this
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because
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in English some non-indications for the
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air transplant some some kinds of
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alopecia where you can't do the the air
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transplant for instance if you have a
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frontal fibrosis frontal fibrosis
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alopecia I'll say strange names but if
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you have a Lincoln Plano pillar is
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leaking you can do it if you have an
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arriata which is people know better the
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area alopecia uh there's no indication
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for for
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for their transplant but if you have uh
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for instance a scar alopecia after after
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a burning and if the skin supports the
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receiving the the grafts uh there is an
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indication if you have androgenic
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alopecia there is an indication so most
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of alopecias have an indication for a
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transplant sure then of course you
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people talk about you didn't you didn't
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you didn't talk about it but people talk
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a lot about the economics factor and
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um of course
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a good procedure done by by experts
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can't be shipped but it's not so
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expensive so and in each party we also
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uh work with some with some companies
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that allow you to pay your transplant
9:31
each month monthly so uh if you want to
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do it you can do it there's no no excuse
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well it's one of those things that if
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someone's you know desperate to get it
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done they will just do whatever and
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that's where the money will go what the
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money will go on
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um yeah yeah you I mean you're talking
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about as you say to these moving the
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follicles one by one how long does that
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take how long are we talking about I
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suppose it depends how much you've got
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to do but is it a long process well it
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uh in this far it's not so long because
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uh with the with our new technology we
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we just launched the new technology uh
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which was developed in our in our
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technological Center which is called
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botter Ultra Plus and this device it not
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only uh helps the the doctors to to make
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the the excision the extraction of the
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legal unit aspirates the follicular unit
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it storage is the political units in a
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in a container with with a preservation
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solution under control the temperature
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and then this device has also
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um two other these pieces which one to
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to do the institutions to to to receive
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the follicle unit and another which is a
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multi-implanter that allows the the the
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the doctors and nurses to implant uh 25
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follicles with just one movement which
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is amazing wow yeah yeah yeah so so with
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this with this technology uh with our
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trained
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teams we take about
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one and a half to two hours for
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extraction we're talking about more than
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4 000 follicle units okay which is
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amazing four thousand fully Korean this
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is around
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8 000 to 12
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000 air new hair wow uh so so they say
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this takes
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maximum two hours to extract and two and
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a half hours to to implants so this will
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be done this will be done in one visit
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they don't need to keep coming back yeah
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yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the
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patients arrive around 8 30 and uh if
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everything goes well with no with no
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delays around 4 P.M people are going
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home happy and with new hair so it's not
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it's it's not a long long long procedure
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yeah you've sent me a very useful list
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of questions here somebody has um in
11:55
some of the basic ones like does it hurt
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is it a painful procedure having that
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done well after after the the local
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anesthesia it is not of course if you go
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to the dentist you have to to have the
12:08
anesthesia so you feel you feel the the
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the the first injection after that you
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don't feel anything inner transplant is
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the same we can say it's uh you don't
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feel any pain because you you will need
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the the the the anesthesia after that
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you you feel
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sure and um what about I mean anyone
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since we've been talking about this
12:29
would picture a man you know being
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performed on a male that we're talking
12:32
about footballers and the like
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um is it only for men this treatment no
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no of course not of course androgenic
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alopecia affects more men than women but
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it's both for men and women uh uh in uh
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in women patients we we should be care
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about other things because in some
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female patients uh uh the dendrogenic
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alopecia has not the same distribution
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as it has in in uh in uh in male
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patients because in some some of the
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females they they some females they have
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these follicular units uh within the
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genetic information to fall they
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sometimes they are mixed in the donor
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area so we should know it so you should
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be aware of it and the only perform a an
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air transplant when uh when it is
13:21
indicated but yeah you we we do both men
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and women are transplants we you do also
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eyebrow transplant
13:30
beard transplant so uh yeah it's not
13:34
only male hair transplant to what we can
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do that'd be a thing as well because um
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obviously beards um it's it's become a
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big thing I was trying to support one
13:44
myself not everyone has um a full
13:46
luxuriant beard there will be patchy uh
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bits you can I suppose you can um touch
13:51
that up so that it's all even and you
13:53
know it takes up the the sort of areas
13:55
where this hair is missing you could
13:56
make it very neat if that is a vanity
13:59
thing I suppose but is that is that sort
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of thing you can do as well yeah we can
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do it of course and it's in in this in
14:05
that case it's different it's a it's an
14:07
aesthetic thing because there's not no
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advantage on having your hair on the
14:12
face so it's it's an aesthetic thing
14:14
that's why uh this is an interesting uh
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the air transplant has no vat and the
14:21
trans the beard transplant sbat because
14:24
it is only aesthetic it is important and
14:27
uh yeah yeah it's interesting uh yeah
14:31
um no I was going to say so you're
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you're taking these follicles from an
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area where there's you know plenty of
14:37
Hair there does that area recover uh
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does it um is that the damage for for
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good or is it uh sort of repair itself
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if you like yeah I wouldn't say damage
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okay it can be damaged if if they are
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transferred is not well done if you have
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an over harvesting for for instance but
14:52
uh no it doesn't it doesn't recover it's
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a transplant so you transplant you take
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the graft from one side to the other
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it's like doing a kidney transplant if
15:02
you if you are a donor of a kidney you
15:05
lose your kidney sure and you keep one
15:08
so it's exactly the same when we
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transplant when we transplant we
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transplant your follicular units so in
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that small place which is very very
15:19
small uh in that small place there won't
15:22
grow any any new air so that's another
15:25
reason reason why you should do should
15:28
undergo a neck transplant in a certified
15:32
Clinic where you know what people do
15:34
when where you know that people are
15:37
experts on this because one of the
15:39
problems I I see so many times uh is is
15:44
patience coming from one country I won't
15:46
say the name and they come with over
15:49
Harvest
15:50
donor areas so to to to to have new hair
15:55
in the recipient area you get damage
15:58
destroyed on the air and that's it
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that's awful sure and then the hair
16:02
that's been transplanted is that that's
16:03
permanent then it's not going to just
16:05
last for a few years that that all
16:08
that's there is it for good well yeah it
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is
16:12
at least with with uh with a human being
16:14
living till I don't know 100 years it is
16:19
permanent we don't know that if
16:20
sometimes we live uh like 300 years uh
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we don't know if the if if we'll have
16:26
enough air Cycles uh to have air all the
16:29
time but regarding the life expectancy
16:32
of of a an average human being yeah it's
16:35
for Life yeah sure it's not like it
16:37
comes long I mean I mean people have
16:39
their teeth done and that that lasts
16:40
just for a few years and they have to
16:41
have them redone but this is this is you
16:43
know in there it's not going to fall out
16:44
after a number of number of years no no
16:46
no okay now uh if the egg transplant is
16:49
well done over 90 to 95 percent of the
16:52
liquid units transplanted will uh will
16:55
will raise new hair and uh so and it
16:59
will last for all your life as the as
17:02
the the the air that you don't touch in
17:04
the dryer it's exactly the same it just
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move it from from place but it keeps all
17:09
the genetics all the the uh
17:13
uh durability like this that the
17:17
original one end yeah and presumably
17:19
there'll be the initial consultation
17:21
where what sort of questions will you
17:23
ask you know if someone comes along and
17:25
have this done yeah yeah we in inspire
17:28
you we have a free consultation
17:30
absolutely free not nothing nothing
17:32
hidden there absolutely free
17:34
consultation with with a clinical
17:36
consultant and a medical doctor where we
17:40
do the diagnosis uh usually diagnosis is
17:44
clinical purely clinical so you don't
17:46
need any any blood tests done you don't
17:49
need nothing special we we always use
17:52
precoscopy to to evaluate glucoscopies
17:55
like magnifying the scalp uh with uh
17:59
with the device and we we see the
18:01
pictures on computer and it is very
18:03
important to evaluate not only the
18:05
recipient but also the the donor area
18:08
and uh after this evaluation we we
18:11
propose the best treatments for
18:13
did you draw on them do you draw the
18:15
sort of hairline house what is going to
18:18
be yeah yeah
18:20
because it's also it's the first time
18:24
where we create the the first idea how
18:27
the patient will get at the end so it's
18:29
very important to draw the line at the
18:31
first at the first consultation so the
18:33
patient
18:34
truly understands what uh what is
18:36
receiving at what what we can do for for
18:39
them but most important is uh the also
18:42
this consultation being done for for
18:44
someone who knows what what they're
18:45
doing and and to propose the patient
18:49
what he can receive because the worst
18:53
thing is having the expectations too
18:56
high and because we have limitations
18:58
that all the patients have their
19:00
limitations limitations on donor area
19:02
limitations on the on the the type of of
19:05
alopecia they have so it's very
19:06
important that this is done in clinics
19:09
where people don't sell for selling
19:12
where people propose proper treatments
19:15
to the patient okay and then once once
19:18
they've had it done you'll provide all
19:19
the Aftercare and all the information
19:20
and what they can and can't do and how
19:23
long before they can do something again
19:25
um so it was interesting to find out
19:27
that this is a medical thing so it said
19:29
you say vat free Eva free for the air on
19:33
your head because it's
19:35
fascinating all right so um what's the
19:37
best way to get in touch I mean the
19:38
group uh website inspire.com Inspire dot
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ts are in Portugal inspired dot PT or
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dot r dot 80 if you are in Italy but
19:49
well if you use the import in in Spain
19:52
we are in Spain so the dot es will have
19:55
all the information where you can also
19:57
understand uh that Inspire as I told at
20:01
the beginning of our of our nice talk uh
20:04
inspired is not only a clinical group we
20:06
are uh the the most advanced technology
20:08
technological group in this area because
20:10
we have the the the research center The
20:14
Inspired science and clinical Institute
20:15
which is based in in Porto in Porto
20:19
Portugal where you can have a very good
20:21
port line
20:24
and where we where we Perform This
20:30
research being it's technological and
20:32
the biomedical that both researches we
20:36
we do it
20:37
with uh with very important universities
20:42
in technological area our main aim is to
20:45
develop a robot that will do the whole
20:48
transplant with assistance of a doctor
20:51
but we'll do the whole transplant from
20:53
extraction to to implantation of the of
20:56
the aircraft and in the biomedical area
20:59
our main goal is that is multiplying the
21:02
follicle units in lab uh like I don't
21:06
like to to use this uh this word but for
21:09
people to understand more or less to
21:11
clone the the air follicles and this way
21:15
imagine now for transplanting 4 000
21:18
follicle units I have to harvest 4 000
21:20
follicle units imagine imagine if I can
21:23
Harvest like 100 follicle units and
21:25
multiply it in in lab and and getting
21:28
like 10 000 political units it would be
21:31
amazing fascinating uh that's the future
21:33
yeah but running out of time Carlos so
21:35
sorry to interrupt you but thanks ever
21:37
so much it's been fascinating and I'll
21:39
just spell the website out so Inspire so
21:41
it's
21:42
i-n-s-p-a-r-ya y a.com we'll get you
21:45
there and you'll be able to get it in
21:46
English thank you for your time and um
21:49
thank you this is Bay radio just about
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