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UFC 308 Reactions with UFC fighters Jessica Penne and Angela Hill
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Nov 6, 2024
The action packed in UFC 308 was that worthy of a pre-halloween brunch Saturday. The bloodymary's were as bloody as the FOTN, the screwdrivers were as screwy as the judges and there were too many "holy guacamole!" moments to count! (We had loaded tots with guac and all the fixings) While its a sad day for the good guys of MMA the level of skill and entertainment was off the charts. Cheers to the end of Spooky season, we'll be seeing Chimaev's face in our nightmares. 01:57 The saddest day for Holloway fans, Topuria is the real deal. 09:36 Ilia showing the size of his Cajones with the callouts but might have to deal with Volk first. 14:04 Ilia is the male Valentina Shevchenko 15:41 Zen Khamzat Chimaev is somehow way more violent. Poor Robert Whittaker’s mouth. 20:30 Who would want to fight Chimaev after that?! We have a suggestion.. 25:50 Ange and Jess go off on the judges of the first fight, Carlos Leal vs Rinat Fakhretdinov. 31:50 We go over ways to improve scoring but no one listens to us. 40:00 ok we’re done, back to the fights, Ange is a Shara Magomedov fan now even though he won’t take pictures with her. 49:35 poor kid who shot his shot probably gonna get cut after 2 boring wrestling wins. (Dorobshokh Nabotov) 52:44 Magomedov Ankalaev finally got the ok to be next in line for Alex Perreira after his standup battle vs Alexander Rakic 55:45 OG homie Lerone Murphy is looking like he’s gonna taste that title shot soon after huge win vs Dan Ige 58:40 Mateusz Rębecki vs Myktybek Orolbai was out of a movie. 01:01:49 Join us to watch the 2nd part of our #UFC308 show right now! (Or wait till Tuesday, booooo) Join us: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1FaPU4wQCG9RdbNlMBI-fA/join Powered by Duelbits.
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recording and recording
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together forever yes you're stuck with
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me you know else was stuck with ilot toria's champion
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on I was going to say bad judging but you know I mean we can we can talk about that for
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sure but man I don't know what makes me more sad at least Toria is really fun to
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watch I would hate if we had to watch salato sit there and [ __ ] up but he was
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actually on point today I feel bad I feel bad throwing Sals out name out there when he did well um I don't know
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who the judges were but we're going to talk about that in a second oh I have the scorecards
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yes there was there was one very suspect sounding judge name that I've never heard of before it wasi Muhammad Ali for
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me he uh just stuck himself out with that uh what was it 3027 how you GNA do
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that man enough yeah how you GNA do that that's like that's like we really should be able to ask them that's like me
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judging wrongly for someone named like like Jamal Jackson like if your name is
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Muhammad Ali whatever you can't score wrongly for the very much
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like guy that sounds like someone you would be biased against well I think they're bias bias
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four biased towards um but let's talk about the main so we could get that over
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with what a performance from both guys Max
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showed up he did his thing I think a lot of us were betting with our heart when we wanted to see Max win but what I'm
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most impressed with is the fact that Toria was able to knock out Max Holloway
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who has never been knocked out before that is a feather in his cap that is a leg to stand on now he's calling out
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Conor McGregor feather in his weight
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perhaps what do you think he would fight Conor I I don't think it'll ever happen
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speculate he's just talking he's just talking because in all the languages yes
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and that's a I mean it's a great talking point you know if you mention that you want to fight Conor McGregor that is
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always going to like create a headline you know that's going to get that's going to get you buzzing it is like it's
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something that could potentially happen but probably will never happen it's just one of those things that we talk about
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like you know he said it he said he's going to do it he said he wants to the balls in Connor's Court we'll see if
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Connor is going to be too scared to do the fight one of the 20,000 fights that
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people have offered you know it's just well it's just one of those like safe call outs yeah it it really is it's just
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like uh what's his name Paul calling out Pereira you know yeah yeah it's never going to happen yeah but it gets you in
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the headlines exactly um so what did you think about
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the fight itself ilot zoria took on Max Holloway I felt like Max had a good game
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plan um he was doing really well with the distance control and keeping tore at
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Bay trying to pop in and out with his strikes uh using those like stabs and he
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was like attacking the hipbone a lot yeah that's kind of hurt yeah it was like that it it was either a push kick
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to the hip or push kick to the knee but we see that a lot with like the JN Joneses and everything and and uh people
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can call it controversial but he was doing it in a way where it was really stopping Toria from coming forward and
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it was working until it didn't and until the second
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round um I thought I thought the first round was was great and I thought that it was you know really setting the pace
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in the president for the direction that the fight could have gone in um he Max
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was really utilizing his range he was keeping Toria out of out of that boxing range that Toria likes um Tor he made
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him you know shoot in and try and clinch up he made him you know make adjustments but what Toria did in the second round
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um is just that was his game plan the whole time you know he wants to get into that like pocket boxing range and and
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use his power and and put Max a Max Holloway away yeah he uh he did really well with
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being patient uh waiting for his chance to get in there and then the takedown was interesting too I thought it was it
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was uh really smart of him to mix in that takedown get him to the ground and
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then this becomes like a faint just that level change that level change to kind
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of stick them where you have to sprawl if you see the shot coming but then
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getting ready to small makes you stationary so then you're there to be
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hit on the way in and that's kind of what you saw in the highlights he was doing a good job of just kind of
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bouncing up and down fainting that level change getting Max to either swing or
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counter or plant his feet a tiny bit and then he was able to explode up into a
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punch or explode up into a combination um I thought that little pool punch was
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really fun that's like one of those things you learn in Muay Thai like your first fancy move that you learn in Muay
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Tha where the person standing like this you pull the glove and then punch right through the center um you don't see that
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that often in MMA you in MMA which is funny because we have like the
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fingerless glov so there's a lot more grabbing that you can do in there but he
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was able to just hide it really well it's like one of those things that you don't want to do too much because soon
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as you start reaching for something someone can fake and come over the top but he just did a really good job of
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hiding all of his attacks coming in he took some damage as well we saw him
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limping on his way out of the cage so Max's game plan was definitely working but I can't believe that Toria has the
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power to put Max hollow out after all the guys that he's fought all the guys he's fought that
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haven't been able to do that that are known knockout artists yeah it's um I I know Max is you know big for the
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division um he carries a lot of power but and and there just seemed to be a
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size difference but the power ended up being the difference yeah um Toria just he has he has this very explosive you
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know short stocky powerful stance and and he utilizes it really well we've
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seen him you know put people out that we haven't seen before he did the same to the great you know and a lot of people
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well me included wondered if you know it wasn't the fact that he had been knocked out previously and you know the short
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turnaround but I mean toria's power is undeniable at this point yeah yeah uh
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what did you think when he backed up what he said he was going to do and pointed to the ground in the first 10
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seconds nothing you thought nothing of it no neither did Max he was like he's
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like I'm not stupid I already told you I'm not doing that yeah you don't make the rules here I make the rules uh yeah
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it was disappointing to see everyone want wants that for Max or wanted that for Max for him to get that shot at Gold
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um and maybe we'll see that at at 155 maybe we'll see him move up to to
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lightweight he looked good against gatei at lightweight for the BMF uh I wouldn't
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be mad at it there's a lot of fun fights that you can make for him up there and he he seems like he's
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not deterred from still being an active fighter still being a prize fighter he
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seems still um I guess like he he wants to continue he wants to keep putting on
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Great Performances well I think he's in a great position honestly I know it's not the result that he wanted to but
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what he's done is he's he's built up this you know Legend this energy around
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himself where people will always want to see him fight people will always root for him he's a very likable fighter he's
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easy to get behind and honestly he can really call his shots if he wants to go to 55 I'm sure he can pick whatever
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fight he wants at featherweight to be honest um I think he's in a really good position and I don't think this takes
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away from you know his legacy I don't think it takes away from what he's capable of I think that you know as long
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as he wants to and and willing to he can still be fighting um at the highest level and you
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know who knows what's next he can always reinvent himself yeah I'm excited to see what's next for him um and then like you
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said Ilia was calling out some big names he called out Islam makev he said that if Islam makev has
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the ability to get submitted he will submit him well and makev is also talking about going up to 170 so this is
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another one of these fights that like he's saying these things and he's getting people talking but but like the
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reality is we don't know if that will ever happen I think that that you know could potentially happen I mean it's
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it's exciting um I don't know that he could submit him I think makev is is big for
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155 I think he would do well at 170 um so we'll see we'll see I think it
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it opens up the door for a lot of fun potential kind of super fight type fights yeah do you think that
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volkanovski gets the shot again they brought him in um he he like snuck up in there and I
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feel like they're going to give him the shot just because he didn't really I
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mean I I'm still on the fact that he got knocked out so quickly before he got
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that title shot it was such a quick turnaround he did a solid and he ended
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up eating it and I feel like it's deserved but uh how do you think people
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are receiving that that that might be the next possible title shot I think
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people could because of the way it ended I think people you know could potentially be a little bit bothered by
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it or have something to say about it or against it however I'm completely for it
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I think that you know that kind of turned around after a big knockout and you know stepping in on short notice
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stepping in in a weight class above I think those are all really amazing things but they're very dangerous yeah
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and I think that um I'd like to see what that fight would look like with a full Camp not on short
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notice after his head has been rested and and really see what Alexander can do
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I think he's another one of those Fighters that can call his shots yeah you know he's been doing it he's been
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helping yeah doing has been a company
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man give that man what he wants give him his title shot um yeah I just and he's
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another one one of those Fighters where like Max like like a Whitaker um I just
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they're really easy to get behind they're really easy to to cheer for and they're exciting Fighters so I always
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want to see them fight yeah after that performance though I don't have a lot of faith in
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bokanovsky's ability to beat him it's so sad like no I know what you're saying dude because I was so stuck on man he
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just got knocked out anytime there's a knockout I think it's it's easier for
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fans to go okay that was a lucky shot as opposed to that was a a strategic
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dismantling because of the the nature of a knockout you're you're throwing
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something you just happen to hit the chin when it's there when it's available they weren't able to block but there's
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so much involved and when it comes to someone who's able to like take someone
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down get on top of them pound on them get the submission that always seems more like a Strate IC like oh this was
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going to this is what's going to happen every time they fight as opposed to a knockout there seems to be a little more
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luck involved but after these two performances together I'm like man this guy knows what he's doing he's setting
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the [ __ ] up I I agree with that I think that Tor is on on another level and I think he's just getting better um I
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think that you know we may see a repeat of the first fight but I still want to see it yeah I want to see it too give
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him his shot damn it I want to see vul dressed as an old man again I want to see the whole build up he's great I love
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it I just love how he doesn't take himself too seriously but he does at the same time he's still very much a martial
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artist and he wants to fight the best in the world and he wants to prove himself so I'm excited about that possibly
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happening in Australia that could happen that that goes down in February the Australia card so it seems like they're
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working towards that be a great headliner and yeah should be a good time
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for one of them yeah for for somebody yeah Elliot Toria he's a
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monster though like the fact that he can speak so many different languages like if you watch any of his press
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conferences and there's people speaking at him in different languages and he's just gone from English to Spanish to
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Georgian to Portuguese or whatever the [ __ ] he speaks like I feel like he does
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the same thing with his fighting style where he is so fluent in every art that
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comes with uh with MMA the fact that he started his career as a Grappler getting
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all these submissions and then said you know what I'mma Be a knockout artist now and then speaks the Striking language
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perfectly all of a sudden it it's really it's really wow no he's very impressive yeah he is the chef chenko of the male
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divisions we're going to start doing that say a signing people the Mel this
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the male that yeah I want to see his dance skills though I want to see if they're comparable to sh oh well they're
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going to have to compete with Mor spard I want to see some what is it he's a Spaniard and a Georgian and we saw Mor
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Rob put get down we saw Mor Rob get down with his little traditional dances so you know he
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got the moves all right Ilia we're fans yeah you can't not be
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yeah it's it's just hard when they fight the people that you've been rooting for for years and years and years no it no
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it is hard it is hard it is we're fans damn it oh man well one guy who it is hard to
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be a fan of but he's really he's really been working on himself I don't know I I
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kind of believe it I'm also in Den but comes out to my EV man he has been
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working on himself and dude the squeeze that he has must be
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insane how did Darren till survive training with this guy well have we really heard from
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Darren till since he really know we we don't we don't know how he's doing are you
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okay tell us let us out let us know out to ever since his Instagram got hacked I
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I haven't seen him since oh no I didn't know that yeah what what was there a
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thing that got posted that showed people it got hacked no it just all of a sudden
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disappeared yeah ah yeah yeah just gone come back we miss you I've seen him on
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Twitter recently he's pretty funny on Twitter I stay away from Twitter yeah good job it's a deep dark place I just
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don't like you know I'll get in there and then I'm promptly reminded why I
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don't like being here um a couple times recently though I've I've gone and looking for something
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that I've gone down the rabbit hole of these like bully fights or street fights or school school fights like in class or
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like in the like hall room Hall bathroom fights they're gnarly I hate that [ __ ]
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I'm so happy I grew up in a time where you couldn't just record people getting
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in a fight on in school without having like a huge camc no it's insane and I
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don't like watching it but like here I am 20 videos later and I'm looking for
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more it's so easy it's so easy to get wrapped up in it really is it it's just
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oh my God I I am not jealous of kids these days no no I'm happy that our
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video cameras were too big to sneak into school when we were when we were
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kids oh well yeah um Whitaker came out
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he I mean Jay have just didn't give him a chance to start that fight he was on
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him immediately shot in immediately started covering the hips and just like
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just strategically dismantling him I mean and Whitaker was defending well he was doing his best and I thought that if
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he could have got out of that round you know we would have been able to see him keep the range and you know there
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there's always that like feeling out period and when you don't get that feeling out period you need another
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round for it yeah it's like okay this time I'm going to circle first reset I'm
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G to Circle I'm GNA sprawl maybe I'll flash a little something so you don't just bulldoze me next time but uh yeah
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he was getting close and I was looking at the clock as he's getting rid and I'm like oh he's almost there almost there
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and then he just snatches on this arm and immediately wher Taps yeah so if we
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think about it the I mean I I had braces right and I still have to wear a retainer if I don't wear a retainer
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after a week like my feet my teeth have shifted so the mouth is pretty like it's pretty like pliable and it's it's just
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one of those things where he just got right on the teeth and pulled and it buckled the teeth back can you imagine
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the pain of that no can you imagine no I've I've in training I felt that
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pressure before and I immediately tapped before it got that bad but to have just an immediate like break from the Jaw is
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is insane mhm and even in training usually if someone feels that cuz you'll
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be able to feel the pressure on your arm too and uh kamay he was talking about that like he felt something happened but
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he's just squeezing to win like the the difference between training and and in a fight is that you're trying to pop the
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guy's head off you don't care if your training partner gets home okay yeah you don't care if they're like talking like
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this for the rest of their life you know you're fine hey tap [ __ ] um that was
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crazy how fast that set in how fast he was able to do that much damage this Sky's forearms must be made of still
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yeah I mean it it looks something else what were you doing on that year
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off were you in the testing pool were you in some obscure country somewhere
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where the testers can't get where they would they would uh be very much in
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danger if they found [Music] you I want just a theory of ours I
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wonder yeah it's a it's disappointing but also really impressive and I feel like people
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are calling for a title shot because who's gonna want to fight this guy after
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he did that to Robert Whitaker it's a short list it's a short
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list but you know what I know one man for the job and that's Strickland that's who I want to see I want to see I know Strickland was told that he's going to
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get the title shot next but I personally would really like to see strickling I
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mean if there's one person someone wouldn't mind their teeth getting popped out their face fair either way either
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way they're like you could break that guy's jaw like please please go ahead
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you will be the favorite in this match up be very different from fighting Robert Whitaker
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at least so yeah it's hard it's hard because you have somebody who like really plays the heal and somebody who
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really plays a good guy St you're like okay we're rooting for that guy obviously like it's it's not hard to see
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that but it's like who do you root for in that case I don't know I mean I'm it's an opportunity to like win some
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people over H yeah I guess but steal their haters it's it's kind of one of
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those ones where you're just like oh let's see them both get hurt not permanently not permanently
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just for the sake of entertainment I bet they would be best friends after that fight too hey probably be in the hospital together yeah Darren till get
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jealous oh my God the drama I can't wait make it
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happen just like comes in dressed as a nurse tries to smother one so he could
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be the other one's friend um yeah man it it's a wild one I would I would love to
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see that fight Strickland versus Jamay but I'd also be into him fighting for the title yeah it's just the the thing
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for me is that he has had so much inconsistency such long layoffs and I know that he just took out
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you know the number one guy Whitaker but I just in my mind I still would like a
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little bit more order in in you know the title shot thing well it's been just
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kind of thrown around for a while now no that's fair like everyone's like random
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people have been getting shots we have a flyweight that just got signed who's getting a shot
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um so there's been a lot of just kind of Chaos in the whole picture and I don't
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know if if strickling getting the shot would bring order to it or if it would
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just add to that heap of chaos you know what I mean yeah
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that's fair to say but at the same time he never got his immediate rematch
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so yeah and I think that I think it's deserved yeah
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um I'm trying to see uh oh yeah dri is uh he actually sounded off and what he
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say oh okay D is getting Saucy all right feeling really sorry for Rob he looked
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super ready but this is the fight game well done on a good performance comes at
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that being said I can't wait to take your o so drias is down he's ready he's
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down the clown with the with the with all that chaos yeah the chaos the I mean I would
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imagine him to be too he's he definitely doesn't shy away from challenges um you know calling out
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perea why do I always fumble that name Pereira
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perea um yeah I think he's up for the challenge and I I think that would be an
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interesting fight I could see him you know doing what he does to all the other Fighters he's fought and really taking them out of their game
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yeah that'd be fun to see what dricus pulls out of his Herky jerky
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sleeve because it could go one of two ways he could get jumped on just like Robert Whitaker
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again he get like smothered and taken advantage of we all see the holes in
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jus' game but he has this inv invisible energy that just throws people off yeah
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I feel like he's just really freaking strong and he doesn't hesitate on things and that in itself can just make things
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that shouldn't work work and that's what he's done in every one of his on he's
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just broken flipped over the table like broken all the rules and gotten the job
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done so yeah I want to see how this plays out because like Kam at you know what he wants to do yeah like there's
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there's no hiding it and dras draas is just like a mystery box yeah he just he
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throws everything at you and it works yeah oh it's it's crazy I'm I'm jealous it's
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absolutely crazy um it's it's interesting to watch and he's one of those people that I I can't bet against
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anymore you know what I'm saying I'm just like well he's probably gonna win
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and you're not going to be able to figure out how until it happens but just pick him yeah just pick him to win pick
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him to win at some point well uh it sucks because we had like one
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really weird uh one really weird decision happened in
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the very beginning of the card and I think that got people really nervous about how the rest of the C was going to
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turn out but it was actually I felt like the judging for the rest of the car was fair but this first fight put
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everyone like on edge and that was uh what was the name of those guys it was
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LE and um [ __ ] dinov yes
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that fight people were going crazy basically like it wasn't that close of a
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fight um it was competitive which is different um re uh renette Fardo he
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fought Carlos Leo and Carlos Le he was not on home
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turf but he did an amazing job at uh stuffing all of fuad Dino's takedowns
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hit making him hurt he he definitely scored more in damage he definitely like did a
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great job of just commanding the cage and for me I was seeing it 3027 but I
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felt like maybe Faker dinov stole the last seconds of the last round so I was like a it could be
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2928 they gave it 30 20 or one judge gave it 3027 to Faker off and the other
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ones 2928 both different rounds different rounds yeah so we had Mike
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Bell we had Hadi Muhammad Ali and we had David
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Lee Lee um and nobody scored it the same really the only one that they had was
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everybody scored the last round for [ __ ] enough okay so that was the round that I was like okay he might have
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stolen the last round I didn't think it was enough to steal that last round though I didn't either I was just trying
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to keep my head like open for whatever might for sure because you always want to know the come from we want to
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understand what they're seeing what they're looking at why they're scoring it this way and that's yeah it's just
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one of those things I thought if anything they could have given [ __ ] of the first round yeah because the way he
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was grinding and pressuring and kind of you know um you know stalling the action and having control time oh okay um and
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then in the second and third round uh Le just pulled ahead with his with his
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power shots and I I mean to fov's cred credit crof credot fov's crov CR
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credentials um you know he just kept coming forward and he was trying to trying and trying but what Leo was doing
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was he was nullifying the takedown attemps he was rolling with the punches so he wasn't absorbing the damage of the
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punches and Leal was just giving it back MH and giving it back and giving it back
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and and F have kept coming forward but um he wasting tossed around he's getting ragd dolled he was it was so frustrating
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to watch that fight and then in your head you're like okay this guy is
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obviously the favorite of Faker Dino but this is a very convincing win there
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isn't much that he's able to do to a l out before before the final Bell rung
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and dude like he was Landing lots of calf kicks he was hitting like these
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beautiful clinch site um the one thing I will say that maybe might have swayed a judge like Muhammad
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what is his name muhamed Ki Muhammad Ali is the fact that uh Leo had a ton of
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backne how does that score and he looked like he was like made in a lab so I'm
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like okay if you're someone who's coming in with biases already and you see this
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guy who looks kind of Juiced out maybe you're going to try to help your home homeboy out but it's I'm not saying it's
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right I'm just trying to figure out what the hell happened like that's why we have a testing pool even if you bring
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someone in short notice if they fail the the drug test then the fight gets
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overturned you you can relax Muhammad like you can relax Muhammad alii like
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the the test will overturn the fight you don't have to cheat and make it score
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for your boy faked dinov but it it definitely seemed like that guy wasn't
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watching a fight because he scored a 3027 and then you have Mike Bell and uh
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Dave L who have scored fights forever like we know those names and they both
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got them different uhhuh so again it's like what are you guys looking at what are you guys looking at I wonder if it's
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just the different angle like the different uh vantage point that each judge has because everybody's you know
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set on different uh points of the Octagon so maybe you're seeing something a little bit differently you know maybe
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you're seeing somebody's head go back a little bit more uh maybe you're seeing somebody stumble a little bit more or
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maybe you're seeing somebody pressure more because of your your Vantage Point you know yeah but um let me see if the
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media scores are in here the media scores too uh everyone scored it 2928 or 30 27
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most people scored it 3027 for Leo and these guys are actually these are
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the people who are doing the press conference afterwards they're actually in the arena so they're not getting the
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same Viewpoint that we're getting at home and the fact that we're seeing this at home the the media people in the
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arena are seeing the same thing that we're seeing at home it makes me think what the [ __ ] are the judges looking at
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the the frustrating thing for me is that we keep having this conversation we still don't know what to do to make it
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change yeah you know well we know what to do but I don't know how to put in in
32:05
action like one one thing that people keep saying that I think is a good idea is open scoring yeah because open
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scoring is going to make it so that you know if you're down two rounds even if you whoop the person's butt and there
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were moments that Leo like he got on the front head he he was uh you know kind of
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in a clinch position maybe he would have gone for a choke maybe he would have gone harder for The Knockout if he knew
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he was down two rounds and it was the last round but uh a lot of times like it
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looked like he was fighting to finish the fight so I don't know if that would help in this situation another thing
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people suggest are or another thing people suggest is that you should have
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ex fighters on the judging I don't know if that's a great idea
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see I I like the idea of a more neutral party I like Fighters as refs MH I I do
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like that idea I think that there needs to be just a little bit more criteria to become a judge I I like somebody who's
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involved in the sport but ex Fighters I don't think it's a bad idea but I think
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that there is you know again an opportunity for for bias I think there's an opportunity for you
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know not Scandal I don't want to say that but there's just uh there's a lot of like human emotion into that yeah
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it's like some judges might actually go too far to make it look like they're not
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being biased and then some judges just won't care and they'll score it the way
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they think it's going it's like uh you look at the verdict scores on the max Holloway Ilia Toria fight and the
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verdict had maxed up two rounds and I'm like
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really is that really what you guys saw but there's a a lot of fights
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where you'll be scoring you could be scoring a fight who uh you're ex coach
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your ex- coach or one of your ex teammates are related or they are working with this person it's really
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easy to have biases when you used to fight yourself there's always going to be that connection and the current
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judges now a lot of times there will be a judge or a referee that used to train with someone and their fighter is going
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into a fight and you might not be able to make the connections via like Instagram or something but they're
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supposed to excuse themselves from from scoring that fight if there are biases
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that can get away do they actually say that no like I mean we don't know there's no way to like really mandate
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that but this is what's supposed to happen and I think a lot of times people just want to do that they'd either go oh
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I'm a professional I'm not going to do that and still do it or you know they just do it I mean human error is always
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going to be a thing uh what do you think about like ai ai judging no that have
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you what do you think about that have you heard of something called the smart
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cage it's pretty dumb for a name like the smart cage it's
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pretty dumb but I I don't feel like there's a way to
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to analyze it via stats it's like the whole significant strike thing someone
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throwing like this their significant strikes are going to be a lot softer
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than someone really putting the power into their punch and dropping the guy but if you go oh well this person threw
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more significant strikes than they win according to AI so I don't really trust
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computers when it comes to that either I just feel like we all have to get on the same page and oh one thing that I think
35:56
would be very interesting and someone on Twitter suggested this but I've always thought this was a great idea is if
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people if the judges actually had a press conference like the fighters and
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explained all of their yeah all of their decisions because usually there'll only be a couple that people are confused
36:14
about like for instance this card we thought it was going to be a whole night of that it was only that one fight
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really I don't think there was another one where people are like wait a second but that one fight you have those three
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judges up before Dana gets in the room explain
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yourself no one else saw what you saw especially you Mr 3027 but you guys too
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you should know better you both scored different rounds we have to know what criteria you were using to score those
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rounds for uh fuer de off and if they could at least verbalize what they were
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thinking we can use that for the next time they [ __ ] up and then they go verbalize what they were thinking that
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way and we'll go well that's funny because in the fuera fight you said that you Ed this criteria so why are you
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using this criteria this time and then we can catch him then we' be like gotcha
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[ __ ] out of here get out of here bye yeah you don't know what you're doing
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you don't know so I think that might be the sound the most sound way to really
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get to the bottom of these judging decisions is just have them answer for themselves because right now they don't
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have to answer to anyone yes you can't overturn a fight like it's just going to go it's going to get
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thrown out you can't try to get them fired they just keep showing up they're
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all grandfathered in or or they have like a I don't know I don't know if they have a union or something but they they
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basically like take care of each other so they're in there for good the only person I've ever seen get kicked out of
37:50
their position is Douglas Crosby well you're saying there's a chance there there is you know it just
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takes one it takes one person to get out of there and then I think that it'll start raising the alarms to get more
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people out and I think that if we keep talking about it if we keep bringing it up if it keeps becoming such an issue
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like they can no longer ignore it I really like press conference the press conference idea and I really like the
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open scoring because I think it'll make everything more more visual visible as
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of what's going on yeah I I agree with that but in this case it's like okay well I don't know what to do now yeah
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you know you're in the round and they're like well listen this this wasn't scored for you and it can just be it's it can
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be kind of confusing in that moment yeah I think there needs to be both not just one um I think the open scoring would
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help you know who to uh
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attack this guy thought you lost both rounds even though you dropped the guy and he couldn't take you down once oh
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did he but it's you got one more round to prove yourself but having the press
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conference afterwards I feel like that not overnight but in time maybe a year
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of Judges answering for the decisions that they've made you see it in refs all the time refs get a lot of heat for bad
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decisions and they fix themselves they fix the way they approach things uh with the eye pokes with the groin shots with
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like stopping a fight or as opposed to pausing it and letting it continue so
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there the ref the refs have more accountability accountability accountability you got it
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you did it than the judges it's insane they have less power
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but more accountability well and their and their job is to keep us safe so I appreciate them taking that so seriously
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no I do too and that's why I love the fact that you have people who train that are in there with you but on the jet
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side I think they should at least tell us what they were thinking when they write down their little numbers on the
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paper because they are not seeing the same as the fans as the media people as
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everyone else is seeing so that's our rant that was about 40 minutes of we'll see on the other
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side guys complaining about judging H God we could go all day I get
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so heated I know I get so mad I know I get so mad uh but uh one thing that I
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wasn't as mad as I thought I'd be was watching sharah when his last fight I was even
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though he is a horrible human being it was a pretty cool
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knockout he is like the worst he's he's not a fan of women as a
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as a person not a fan of public displays of affection he's he's not a fan of that
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he's not he's a big fan of uh unprovoked violence yeah yeah huge fan I mean we're
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trash for watching it but what are you gonna do it's entertaining um I I I still feel like
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Shara magam medov is very beatable but he is able to just be weird and
41:17
confusing he's so unpredictable yeah yeah and that knockout that he got was
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freaking awesome like I've never like he does he does and that's why it's so hard
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to fight him because you can't really get his timing and you you spend the
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round trying to get his timing and trying to make things work and you just got to throw you know what I'm saying
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cuz he just throws yeah and he beats to uh what is he he moves to the to be of
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his own drum what's that say yeah there you go but just um he just he throws
41:51
everything and it's so unpredictable and it's a lot of power a lot of movement it's very unorthodox so it's it's just
41:58
hard to get that timing so as as an opponent of his you just have to kind of
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say [ __ ] it you just got to you just got to go for it and you've got to put him on his heels and and stifle him yeah he
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he likes to hit off the back foot so that can throw people off because as
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he's backing up you're like okay this is my time to attack and he come forward and he pushes you away and it's always
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easy to get caught in that like weird Rhythm where you're you feel like you're
42:32
continually walking into their trap of disrupting your Rhythm so it's almost like you just got to say [ __ ] it like
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you said just get hit maybe waade forward throw more than one
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and you just can't get stuck looking for the perfect shot against Sher because you're never going to find it and I
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think that's what happened to Pro uh petran having trouble with uh three
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syllables today yeah it happen uh that's that's what uh
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petan started getting stuck and he was looking for that perfect shot and every time he would almost get to a point
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where he felt comfortable throwing something he would stop short you know like he would set up that kick and then
43:18
not throw it and it's like you just got to throw it man just who cares if it hits his arm who cares if it like Skiffs
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off of his hip like you just just got to get in there and make it dirty with someone like that and uh I think he
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started to do that and that's when he rushed right into that double back fist like that that was crazy but in his
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defense nobody throws that how do you prepare for something that has never been thrown no it's a great question the
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UFC it's a great question never been thrown in in his tape like you you're not going to be thinking hey he might
43:51
throw a spinning back fist but also you want to keep your other hand up just in case he throws a double spinning back
43:56
fist yeah and after and afterwards you know when he was doing the the cage interview
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he's like yeah this is my move we're going to call it after me and we're like nobody's ever goingon to do it nobody's
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ever going be able to do that I might try it I have a few moves up my sleeve that I've been hoping to debut in a
44:16
fight eventually but I'm I'm willing to throw the share just to make him mad
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he'll have to watch my highlights of getting in a woman oh no [Music]
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they'll they'll censor my uh mid drift so he can actually watch the
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Highlight put a shirt on her before you show me that trash but
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yeah I might throw it just for that moment it's pretty easy to do too it's
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like when you hit the spinning back fit not easy to do but uh I mean not easy to
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land but the mechanics of it make a lot of sense they make sense yeah yeah
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that's what I'm saying um because you set up the spinning back fist you got to
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get back to your stance eventually so you can either keep going the way that you came when you connected or you can
45:08
spin back around to your stance and instead of just spinning back around to a stance he span back around to another
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punch so it's kind of I don't know I feel like that would work nicely in my
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game too I might have to stop she spins guys steing it I'm stealing it Shar
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thanks thanks for sharing in and make sure you give him credit after the fight I will I hit the Shar
45:33
magga off do it really cute like that
45:41
too you love it he'll love it and he called out Izzy afterwards okay I want
45:47
to see that I'd love to see that I would really like to see that yes please I I mean he's doing all the right things uh
45:54
when it comes to keeping people's name or keeping his name in people's mouths uh to promoting himself as a fighter he
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he busted out a new move like he's doing all the right things I feel like Izzy might take the bait I why not yeah
46:11
because this guy um I'm I'm not sure is he ranked yet I don't hold on let me but
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uh if he creeps up in the rankings he's he looks very beatable to
46:24
me like when I see the top 10 of that division he looks very beatable to me
46:31
but he could have this weird invisible thing that a lot of Fighters have where
46:37
once you get in front of him and once you try to actually fight him and do the things that you train to do against him
46:43
he makes it really uncomfortable to do he is not ranked yet not ranked yet
46:50
okay so that's a big ask maybe one we that'll get them ranked
46:56
maybe one we WI definitely this this fight will get him ranked for sure um so on Tuesday we'll see what number he is
47:02
and I feel like Adisa might take that bait but he's probably going to have to wait another fight before he gets that
47:10
but I mean look at what happened with with kamat he was ranked what
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13 he was ranked something low yeah and he 13 he was 13 he fought whiter at
47:24
number three so he's going to jump the line so hard this is something that could
47:29
definitely happen with with what we've been seeing so far yeah I like that yeah yep so we'll
47:36
see what Sher gets what magga medof gets and uh yeah it it was funny he's like
47:43
working on everything he's working on his English too well he tried he tried he tried DC
47:51
DC wasn't having it he was like Anyway let's look at that let's look look at
47:57
that knockout like you have a translator right there I appreciate it though and I mean after after a fight it's our you're
48:04
so disoriented and there's the adrenaline dump and all that kind of stuff you're so excited and you're
48:10
trying to speak another language and I I mean I give them props for that that's not easy no as a person who has failed
48:17
at learning many languages don't I haven't gotten that far
48:23
but as a person who's failed at learning many languages is it the hardest thing
48:28
is actually trying is actually saying something that's the hardest thing for
48:34
me unless I'm drunk I think after a fight I'd be even worse I mean everyone
48:40
heard myo Manina after after my Brazil when I
48:46
still CL you were like one of two people in the audience that CL you you and my mom
48:53
your brother was there too there were three there were three of us you are minina girl everyone was like you're a
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woman you just beat up a Manina you are
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uh m m yes you are m i just reached um
49:13
1,000 day streak on my dual I can now uh say hello and ask where the bathroom is
49:19
in three different languages dang okay Ilia no biggie yeah let's go yes let's
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see how many uh questions you can answer you can ask the question but
49:31
can't answer them speak slowly and I will too yeah so yeah it props to him for
49:39
trying um uh in another couple fights we should talk about anv got a win and
49:47
finally Dana is saying he's next they cannot deny him
49:53
anymore they wish they could but they can't no they have they have been but they can't do it
49:59
anymore yeah it it's uh it's it's it's only deserved you know
50:05
like I I was surprised that they didn't give him the shot earlier after like his only his only really knock to not being
50:12
Champion is that he went to a draw with Yan the snoozer the snoozer but he to a snoozer but it's like come on like he he
50:20
should have won that fight that was that was one of those fights where it's like yeah it's a draw because we like Yan
50:25
bovich so yay but also it was probably analy's
50:31
night yes um but because there weren't any big moments in that fight to make
50:37
you just ah uh Pitchfork and well the UFC can be a a shady grudging
50:44
[ __ ] they don't like wrestlers either they don't like the takedowns they don't and yet they sign so many I
50:49
know it's like what are you doing you you you're you're sending mixed signals here you you don't want them here and
50:56
then you and then you get them here and then you're mad when they're there I just and then you punish them repeatedly
51:01
it's a weird it's a weird relationship yeah like that kid who um talked to Dana
51:06
at the press conference he stood up and he was like hey Dana I am 9 and0 and I
51:12
am best uh fighter in wherever he was from you look at his name and you're
51:18
like yeah he's a wrestler he's a Grappler and Dana's like love you he's
51:23
like let's see what you can do he's like you already know what he can and you hate it you hate it but watch him sign
51:30
him and then just to cut him a few weeks later after he makes a a striker look
51:36
boring they'll probably put him in the contender Series yeah they're going to put him in uh Korean Zombies Fight Night
51:43
he has a fight night I guess it's uh some kind of like Contender series or or
51:49
uh looking for a fight to the Octagon probably yeah something like that but Korean zombie started his own promotion
51:56
and he Dana said you're going to get a fight over there and if it's a good
52:02
fight then we'll bring you into the UFC or maybe bring him into a contender series or something like that but yeah
52:09
that's going to happen and his poor little dreams are going to be crushed when he realizes he has to learn how to
52:14
throw the punch but you know what he was living it up he got up on stage during the presser and then they um they showed
52:20
him again during the fight so he's oh I almost lost that that's expensive don't do that stay I need
52:28
you so I mean I I mean either way whatever happens I think that you know I love that he called a shot I love that
52:35
he you know saw an opportunity to to make something you know to make a connection and he made it in the right
52:41
way yeah so we'll see what happens uh with him but going back to anev it was a
52:48
very he he said that he wasn't going to throw any or go for any takedowns in the fight he didn't um it was competitive
52:56
but he did his thing he he outstruck a striker so that's always impressive and
53:03
now he has a huge win streak in the UFC huge win streak in his career and he's
53:10
next in line for the light heavyweight belt so good job Uncle love which as he
53:16
should how do you think he matches with Alex perea I think he should probably go for
53:21
takedowns no I think that whole not going for Downs thing I think for this fight go
53:28
for takedowns I mean yeah yeah um the thing
53:36
is Alex Pera he's fought a lot of guys who have decent takedown ability but
53:41
they haven't been able to do it yeah so you got to wonder what he brings to the table that's so much different from
53:47
every other Striker from rakic from all these guys and you have to think his power right I think his from from what I
53:56
saw in his previous fights I think he has this ability a lot like you know some of the fighters that we talk about
54:02
about like uh dcus dupes he just has this ability to keep the fight at his pace and fight the fight that he wants
54:10
yeah and it's a it's an energy it's a you know a superpower kind of thing that he has and of course you know we've seen
54:19
we've seen P be susceptible like especially in like the first second round yeah to to other person game plan
54:27
while he's trying to like figure you out he leaves himself open so if if I were
54:32
on Club I would come out really strong really set precedent with my game plan
54:38
and try and get him out early for sure yeah his uh his um draw against
54:44
blakovich if you look back to when uh padaa fought blakovich he went to a split decision so I think they're going
54:51
to be really evenly matched when it comes to just overall game plan and but
54:56
yeah I can't wait to see that fight uh it's going to be the biggest test for P
55:02
I think because this is that one guy that everyone was like all right enjoy the P area or the
55:09
P era because once anev gets there it's
55:14
going to be over so that's that's kind of what people are worried about this
55:20
guy has basically all the tools that we haven't really seen him deal with yet
55:25
because even though the guys that he's beaten with takedowns they don't have the takedowns at the same uh skill level
55:33
as someone like mag SI and size he's big he's strong he has great striking too so
55:39
that's going to be a fun fun test for uh p areia and we'll see if that happens
55:45
soon um but yeah uh our homie
55:51
Lon oh my gosh too so this was the type of fight that
55:58
could put Lon into the conversation of like he's getting closer and closer to a
56:03
title yeah it was either going to be a really big Learning lesson for him or it was going to catapult him and it's I
56:10
think that he really passed that test he did he really did and it was getting scary a little bit oh yeah it was
56:17
getting a little hairy there were some moments yeah it was getting a little uh round one um there was crazy back and
56:24
forth but then he got hurt at the very last second and luckily um The Ref
56:30
didn't jump in right away he let it play out and he's able to survive and then
56:36
come back like we saw that in the Barbosa fight too like he's able to deal with some adversity and then come back
56:44
and get the win so I feel like Lon he he definitely has the ability to capture
56:50
the Bel and keep it just because he makes those adjustments that uh a lot of
56:56
Fighters aren't able to make once they kind of get become the nail for a second
57:01
no love I love the way he handles adversity yeah every every time you think he's you know kind of at a point
57:08
where most Fighters would kind of dwindle and fade he comes back and and he capitalizes off of it he's not just
57:14
surviving he's countering and then he's in a dominant position as we saw in like the third round especially yeah yeah he
57:21
he was able to just keep uh flipping the board over were uh eay had all the fight
57:28
iQ going into this he was making really smart decisions but Lon was just able to
57:34
to eek out that win and uh you know he's going to go back to the drawing board
57:39
the thing is sometimes I feel like when you have an undefeated fighter and it's a close fight it goes to the undefeated
57:46
fighter uhhuh like at it's like a veteran rule yeah it's like the champ
57:51
rule like if it's a close fight or if it's a close round it goes to the champ yeah I feel like with undefeated
57:57
Fighters the close rounds go to The Undefeated Fighters and it's not necessarily fair and I feel like Dan eay
58:04
has been in this position a lot where because he's the vet because he's the
58:10
guy who's been there for however many years um in this spot in this top 10
58:16
spot a lot of times he'll lose the close fights that he might have won if he was
58:21
undefeated and um it's just kind of something that happens but Lon was a able to benefit from that because we saw
58:29
the scoring in the first fight it's always it's always a chance that you get
58:34
screwed on something you know but I felt like it was fair I thought that it was good judging to be honest I I wasn't
58:41
concerned about that one but you never know you never know yeah um the last
58:47
fight we wanted to talk about before we go to our bonus is the roesy versus oral
58:54
by what about oral by the crazy crazy fight of the
59:00
night fight see this thing like this is this fight was not on my radar at all um I
59:08
saw those two guys and I was like I don't really know them uh I'll I'll catch this fight before I go and watch
59:15
the Pay-Per-View and that fight was crazy it was so back and forth it was so
59:22
much fun I don't think I I remember to breathe the whole time was watching I was like oh my God I just kept thinking
59:29
I was like man they're going to be recovering for a while after this fight oh it was so yeah then they're going to
59:35
be like in the same Hospital on the gurns taking selfies with each other
59:41
like that kind of fight yeah the I love I love after a fight like that the embrace the the show of of respect and
59:48
admiration towards each other um it's just when after you've been in a war
59:53
like that I don't think there's any any animosity there's no energy left you just have to really like appreciate what
1:00:00
you just created yes it was it was amazing it was a it was masterful there
1:00:05
were so many just reversals there was so many good things being done by both
1:00:10
Fighters there was damage done there was uh there were adjustments made um the
1:00:16
like the the the kicks uh from um which one was it the kicks from uh orai the
1:00:24
roby's like head movement the way he was able to just like defend the takedowns
1:00:31
get in land his shots it was it was such a good back and forth fight and then at the end when he almost drops him he
1:00:38
survives somehow uh who's the ref I don't know the ref's name but it was it was was it
1:00:45
hero I don't know was it was it VOR rero shelin yes yes I think it was I think
1:00:51
the man yes that man was the man back in the day ah watching him back in Pride that's why
1:00:59
that's why he said if he dies he dies cuz homeboy was he was messed up
1:01:08
like I thought I was watching a murder after he got dropped and he rolls over
1:01:14
and his entire face is covered in blood and his eye is swollen shut and he's
1:01:19
just holding on for dear life but then he gets a he gets a sweep on the ground
1:01:26
he gets on top he's like hitting him he's like almost looking for some missions kind of in between looking for
1:01:32
sub missions and trying to survive and hit it was such a crazy especially the
1:01:37
last round it was such a crazy fight um so yeah that was that was awesome I'm so
1:01:43
happy they got the bonus they got the money cuz they deserved it they deserved it yeah they left it all out
1:01:49
there well that's all all I got for uh this week's two straws but
1:01:57
but we got more for you and the bonus yeah see you over
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