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Tamika Mallory: A Story of Love, Loss & Resilience 💔🔥 | SWAY’S UNIVERSE
Feb 17, 2025
Tamika Mallory joins Sway In The Morning for an exclusive and deeply moving conversation about love, loss, and resilience as she shares the personal and powerful stories behind her memoir, "I Live to Tell the Story: A Memoir of Love, Legacy, and Resilience." From her challenging upbringing in Harlem to her rise as a leading social justice activist, Tamika opens up about the trials, triumphs, and sacrifices that have shaped her journey.
In this heartfelt interview, she reveals the pain of losing loved ones, the strength she found in motherhood, and the resilience that kept her moving forward despite public scrutiny and personal battles—like overcoming addiction and navigating the pressures of activism. Tamika reflects on her role in the Women’s March, the challenges of working with allies, and her calling to fight for social change, all while addressing deeply personal moments, including the tragic loss of her son's father.
Don’t miss this powerful and inspiring discussion as Tamika Mallory gets real about her path to healing and her unwavering commitment to justice and community. Subscribe for more exclusive interviews and stay tuned for the raw, unfiltered stories that matter. #TamikaMallory #SwayInTheMorning #Resilience #SocialJustice
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CHAPTERS:
01:47 - Tamika Mallory
06:14 - Tamika Mallory's First Love Experience
17:20 - The Unspoken Rule: Family Secrets and Privacy
22:47 - You Can’t Break My Soul: Empowerment and Resilience
29:03 - Closing Thoughts
30:30 - What's Next for Tamika Mallory
31:20 - Final Thoughts and Reflections
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that's my sister right there I say this man I really man I really appreciate
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this powerful human being this person as I watch her persevere through trials and
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tribulations in her personal life as well as her public life you know I have something a close place in my heart who
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for people who put their lives on the line to help the lives of others I'm born and raised in Oakland California
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come through from a family of people who marched you know people who are integrated and in the community and
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doing things to uplift that's the kind of rearing I had so that that comes natural for me so when I see somebody in
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that light right and exercising that light as you have over the years I have
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nothing but honor honorable feelings for you you know yeah you aren't perfect none of us are that's right that's why
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I'm glad you said that yes you are not perfect none of us are but I even love your imperfections because you still
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pick up get up and you keep moving and when I read to your book I live to tell the story A Memoir of Love Legacy and
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resilience I had no idea who this person is but it makes
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sense to me yeah you know I've seen you stand up um to naysayers I've seen your
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life threatened because you were fighting for equality you were fighting for our community I watched you guys
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March I seen you stand up for figures public figures and people sit at home and complain about how you do stuff I've
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seen you Indo backlash for trying to work for the people for the community
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that ain't easy so some of the things I read in this book I understand what they're rooted in and I appreciate your
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honesty um because it's a hard job to have what you do so I want to welcome Tama mallerie back to the show T
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mallerie man she a you a jeep thank you no man I just you know
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it's I when when there was a time you was receiving some backlash or something I Just For the Love of mankind yeah well
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you know that happens here and there and there and here uh but I want to say first of all thank you to both you tra
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you you and Tracy uh for being supportive and you know you particularly
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have not just been supportive in words but you've sent your money put your resources behind us um I've even heard
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that you defended Us in some rooms you know when you hear people saying things that they don't even know us but they
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just seem to have so many opinions and so much judgment yes and so the partnership and uh you know what we
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share as brother and sister is really important to me it's really special and it feels like home when you walk up in
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this here we'll have a plate for you Heather ain't here today but we have Warth we have care
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hope Heather gets well soon uhuh well she'll get well she'll get well um no
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thank you for that you know and um I mentioned my my upbringing you know coming up in Oakland you were you were
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Affiliated whether or adjacent to the movement whether you want it to be or not you know and uh so so were my
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parents and so were your parents absolutely talk about your upbringing I I've been telling folks that my parents
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are super black they still super black they wear dashiki sweatsuits
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like they still have the ones that they had from when they were young but on the serious side uh my parents have been
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like black history month for us is 365 days of the year um you know in our in
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our home there's statues you know there's art there's black art that comes from all over the world so they raised
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me in the movement they raised me understanding who I am and not just who I am but my
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responsibility uh not to just become successful for myself but to ensure that at every step of the way I am raising my
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voice and opening doors for other people and so uh you know it's this is not this was wasn't something that I learned in a
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textbook I learned it through lives lived experience for sure what if you I
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mean was it what you wanted to do did you feel like okay that's what I want to be I wanted to be married to a drug
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dealer that was your dream yeah that was it I right I wanted to be married to a drug dealer I was watching belly and New
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Jack City and all of that I wanted the Pelle Pelle jacket with the Big Bamboo earrings I used to get 5411s I did
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know I had those they they were like right we got to get that but for the most part those people were like you
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wear these penny loafers okay and you going to put this skirt down to your knees we're not going outside you know
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being what I wanted to be uh because I lived in the projects and I think that's one of the contradictions that a lot of
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parents have to deal with with their kids that they're growing up in a particular environment and you are going
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to be influenced by your environment most parents are just doing the best they could so I was raised in a housing
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projects in Harlem called manhattanville so that was culture it was we was outside you know and5th Street was down
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the street and you know crant projects was across the street they were much Wilder over there than we were
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manhattanville was like slight like almost condo is um but still uh you know
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I walked through my community and I saw young people who had all you know maybe
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parents that weren't even home they were just doing whatever they wanted to do many of them so I that cuz I was like
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damn like I always got to go to a rally got to go to church dragging me to stuff where I got to listen to people talk
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folks got you know these you talking about bamboo earrings they had wooden earrings like you know the fist the
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Black Fist and all of that and I was like this is horrible I felt like I was in prison but I thank God that my
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parents did that they fought me to help me you know they struggled with me to
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put me in the position that I'm in today uh and I I'm I'm I'm just so glad that if I knew if I was like in there in my
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mother's stomach and I knew that this was going to be the experience perhaps I would have I wouldn't have given them so
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much so many problems along the way you know it have been a little easier so I was a handful as you can find in this
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book all right Tama mallerie is is here bestselling author social activist
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social justice leader award winning y movement strategist all the things all
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the you got a lot of these things um that you talk about um in this in this book that I I did not have any idea of
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you talk about love Legacy and resilience when did you first fall in
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love who was it with oh man falling in love Jesus I mean I don't know I think
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that I fell in love with my child when he was born that's probably when I first knew what it felt like not to have the
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parental love for my parents but like loving somebody else and knowing that I had to get my together so that I
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could take care of him properly because as I said I was a disaster up until that
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point but when my son was born I changed a lot um I I was raised in an environment where you didn't even put
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your kids clothes in the washing machine at a baby you know newborn babies you had to wash it by hand so I didn't even
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know that putting it in the washing machine was a thing I just was raised a certain way and I I started out as a
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parent trying to do do that and trying to do it the right way so I would say my son was my first first real love and to
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some degree I think I loved his father okay very much so that was my guy you
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know we grew up together um but there was a lot of pain in that relationship
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because of things that he went through in his life we were a lot we we had the same type of family in terms of my my
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mother and father and his grandparents both married long time living in the same building and City and I got to see
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in homes the family you know same thing same Valu same frying chicken you know
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the whole thing at the eating at the table you know taking care of all the kids grandparents in that house were
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stable individuals but his mother and father were Perpetual drug abusers okay
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they never got the help that now we hear about you know this is a public health crisis and we're going to help people no
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they sent them to to and they never got the help that they needed to deal with whatever their
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mental health issues were and so his mom ended up passing away his grandfa his
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father my son's grandfather is still alive great man um and you know has has
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overcome his challenges but the problem with Jason and I was that I really didn't know what that looked like and so
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I got involved with a man who was dealing with extreme trauma um and therefore it made him at times abusive
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to you know to me and to himself and I was abusive right on back so let's not again not perfect I used to set it off
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and start the what does that mean though set it off like paint that picture give me example you I mean you know I well I
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I was definitely a hitter so you know and and some of it was that I was worried about him hitting me first so
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then I would just you know haul off and knock him and hit him or whatever and just get things started I also was just
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immature you know first of all when you're 16 and years old you have no
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business being in a damn near marriage with somebody cuz you have no tools at
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all to survive in those types of relationships and so we were way too deep like you know every waking moment
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of the day he and I were together then I I moved out of my parents house at 17 um
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and moved in with him that made the situation worse because there was no space between us it was just on top of
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one another all the time and there was a lot of frustration with that we didn't have the resources we needed to take
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care of ourselves every time he got paid on his job he had to put the money back into the household so we just fought all
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the time it was just always drama but U but you know also he had other things
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that he was dealing with because his parents his grandparents were the best ever his grandmother's still alive today
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I still call her mommy she's amazing however when you don't have your mother and father it's nothing that
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other people can do to make that go away you know he he knew and then I would
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imagine being around me he sees that I have my parents and he never had a chance to really be with his parents for
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an extended period of time because they were both in and out of prison so that impacted him and it impacted how he
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behaved I realized that as I got older when we were younger I didn't know what the hell that looked like you know you
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wer you weren't equipped at all yeah at all at all you know and so uh so he
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acted a certain way he probably needed Ser no not probably he definitely needed serious therapy to help him with his
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issues he did not have that um and so you know things just it was tough but I
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truly truly did love him you know he was my guy for sure and then he and then his
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life was taken and then he was murdered um my son's father was let me see Jason
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I don't know how old he was but I know it's been 22 or 23 years now yeah uh
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where he was hanging out with these two guys because he also since he didn't want to follow his parents rule his
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grandparents rules he suffered with homelessness uh you know he bounced from home to home trying to figure out his
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way and there were two guys that he got involved with and they they were in
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Pennsylvania they were selling weed um and so he some I guess he left for the
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weekend or whatever they all left and they came to New York City for the weekend and while they were away the the
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safe that had the weed in it was stolen and so these two guys were brothers and
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they immediately blamed him um as if he had somebody set them up while they were
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gone so they beat him for an a full day from light out toight they had him in
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the home in the house they beat him all of this came out in in court later on he was tortured for the whole day they had
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other people come over to the house to keep him from getting out cuz Jason was a big guy and he could fight so they had
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to subdue him basically and then in the end of the day when you know he had he
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maintained that he didn't have the drugs um they said well uh you know okay we
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going to take you to the hospital cuz they they beat him with a hammer like he really really suffered the photos that
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came out in court there was blood splattered around um the the the house all everywhere just terrible scene and
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so at the end of the day they promised to take him to the hospital uh once it got dark but instead they took him to a
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field like an embankment and they shot him twice and threw him over and he got caught on a branch uh several days later
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about a week later a woman was walking her dog and the dog started barking and
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she looked over to see what was going on and she could see his shoe like he was hanging off of the branch and that's
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where he was for over a week so by the time he was discovered his body was completely decomposed uh we never got a
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chance to see him the only only thing that he had on him that we were able to identify was this happened in April my
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son's birthday is March 26 he had just gotten a tattoo on his neck for my son's
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second birthday of my son's name and that's what they show that's the only picture that they were able to show us
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of him yeah we say his name three times Jason Ryan Jason Ryan Jason Ryan let him
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rest in peace and power man wow I didn't realize all that my goodness I'm a parent I'm I'm sorry I'm going to let
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you um jump in but as I'm thinking about this and I think about our community and
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how many friends I've had yeah die yeah or be murdered I always think about the parent
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and the other siblings you know or the children how did you break this news and
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and and this could be helpful for a lot of people in our community that there's always mothers and fathers losing their
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kids or kids losing their parents how did you break this to your son so you
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know he is very close to his other family um and well to our family we're all one family and I think that and and
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I'm glad you said that because I'm sure as they listen to this it hurts like as I'm sitting here I'm just thinking damn
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that's a story man wow you know I I I want to also just make sure to say not only did I love Jason I know he loved me
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okay and he loved both of his sons very very much he was a good dude he was um
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and so um you know I I'm I don't really know because I never by the time my son
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is old enough for us to have these conversations now I'm in my career which I also talk about in this book how in
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some ways it it really was a strain on the relationship with my child because I was gone a lot so I don't remember ever
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sitting down with the details with him first I believe it was his aunt Chantel
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who's like a little sister to me she was Jason's baby sister and so she became you know that's my girl still right now
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and I think she was the person who told him many of the details of what happened
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with his father the other part is that this was public it's all in the news in fact you talk about the death threats
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and things that uh you know have have happened to me one of the worst things that ever happened was someone sent me a
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picture of Jason in the body bag and said you going to be just like your baby father
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so that was like a horrible thing so that and to me that probably is law enforcement right because how do you get
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those pictures right um but so you know this is public information because there
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was a real trial it went on for a while and in fact uh every year for a long
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time uh we would have an opportunity as a family to write into the courts about
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you know whether they should release these guys or not or what have you I been I dropped off of that process a long time ago because as I have come
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into my own I understand the challenges on both sides of the gun you know and so
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I I don't believe that having people locked away forever is the ant the key but my son used to write a letter along
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with his family however he felt they helped him to do all of that so that's where he got a lot of information from
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and then as he got older he was able to Google because you can just research story information and so then we had a
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conversation and I I but I try to focus on cuz I noticed that he's always wanted
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to know who is who was Jason like what does he look like feel like so that was
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more so what I would Gap I like that approach too cuz that humanizes his
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father who isn't there in the physical right very important Tama many of us
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grew up in households and I'm speaking specifically about black folks where the
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rule whether unspoken or hella vocalized was what happens in this house stays in
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this house right you do not have any permission slip signed to express pain that may
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come at the hands of your parents or confusion with family Dynamics it's almost like we're
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overprotected but then there's fine print to that oh yeah right because that can further I don't know intensify the
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trauma Etc but you from hearing you share about Jason the ability to express
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this public to publicly to us and even I was telling you when you walked in the generosity of the life experiences and
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the anecdotes that you shared in this book have you always been this open was
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this something that you had to kind of teach yourself yeah well I'll say this
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my family they're not really I mean they're very private and very proud people however they have no problem uh
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telling you what's going on especially if they think that it's going to help somebody else my mom is especially honey
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she'll tell you in a minute oh let me tell you what I've been through let me tell you about the situations that happened in my life I have a lot of girl
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friends who um you know they they come to me and they like yo I was talking to your mom I'm like you talked to my mom
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how you know when did you talk to my mom but she will sit down with anybody and
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help to prepare them and my father also they're leaders you know my parents are their Community leaders so they know
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that their experiences coming from the south uh humble beginnings working way up finding one another uh working their
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way up and and and being able to sustain now this Legacy that they've built they know that there's power in that story
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but the trauma yes it's been it's hard I had a conversation with Jason's family
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and with my family prior to finishing the book as I was going through the book
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there were Parts where it got to be so difficult even for me and the young woman Audrey who helped me to write she
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would even break down and be like like wow this is a lot for today we just had to stop it just was a lot um and so at
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one point I tell a story about um a moment where I was in an apartment I I
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thought I was like hanging out with a guy friend he asked me to go home with him to his apartment we were going to
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watch movies and stuff like that happened all the time you know the '90s that's what you did and um when I got to
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his apartment there was several boys in the house and I and and he had a pitbull
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I before before that my sister was um she was bit by a pitbull so I I have
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always had a phobia or whatever fear of dogs so when I saw this pit bull I was
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already nervous but I went on in the room and we were kind of hanging out and these four boys obviously made up their
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mind that they were going to run a train on me and so um so they came in and out of the
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room for some I don't know I don't know how long it was but it felt like all day where they kept each one coming in out
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trying to talk me into taking off my clothes and you know and and all of the things and I didn't want to do it and I
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kept saying no no no and then it started to get more aggressive and then all of a sudden a woman's voice is in the house
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and she opens the door and looks at me and says to her son who she never looks at she just looks at me and says what
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are what are you doing what is this little girl doing in my house get this girl out of here but she's looking at me
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the whole time um and that particular experience and I was able to get out
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right like she helped me she saved me and the reason why she's looking at me is like it was an unspoken thing between
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us like I know you're scared you know and um writing that story reliving that
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I talk about how I when I went home I ran home and I walked right past my
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father he had no idea what was going on I went into the bathroom and I cried and
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cried and cried cried harder than I've ever been able to cry actually I've never really gotten over that experience
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even till now and I was you know obviously younger um and and I knew when
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he read it my dad that this was going to hurt him a lot just to know that that had happened to me that I never ever
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ever told anybody about it um and so I called him to and my father and mother
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and my sister and everybody and I said listen this book is not going to be easy to get through it's going to be really
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hard and it's a lot of stuff that I'm talking about in here that you all don't know about and I know my mother probably
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say I could whoop your ass right now I right back right now I can get a switch
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on you right now um but uh but and my father hasn't said anything to me about
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it but I he did tell my sister it was tough to read all of this and then with Jason's family it was similar and in
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fact his sister Chantel she had a little bit of anxiety like damn cuz she know
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the story she was there when we was throwing down she like oh boy you going to you know tell all of these things and
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you going to talk about you know his death which I don't think they've ever really been able to get over it was horrific you know and so I I did inform
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them of what was going to happen but nothing prepares you for when you actually have the book in your hands and
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you're reading the words of course you've done an awesome job with this book Thank you thank you so much my gosh
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we could go on and on right I I'm curious you know you got the the epilogue in the book is called it's
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titled you can't break my soul MH right let's talk about what that means to you
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and I think it means to you is applicable to what we've been seeing in this country absolutely in and for years
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especially when it pertains to how the treatment of black women absolutely right know it so can you speak to that
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epilogue yeah so you know what I've been through I mean obviously there have been many periods of judgment and persecution
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if you will but the women's March was probably the moment where I suffered the most um and you know when you are trying
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to work with ESP especially uh working with white women who haven't done the
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work many of those white women they just jumped up and was like we got to March because when Donald Trump became
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president the first time they were just horrified you know they had voted for Hillary Clinton some most of them of the
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women that I worked with uh they had voted for Hillary Clinton but they had not done the work of asking their mother
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and their grandmother and their sisters who you voting for exactly and they forgot that part right uh and they were
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just so shocked that there was all of this uh racism and sexism and all of
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that you know they they didn't know anything about it and the problem with that is as a black woman when you
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integrate into those types of spaces you are automatically going to deal with that these individuals while they may be
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in the cause for a particular goal that we can we share they still don't know
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that their white tears can harm you dangerously right everybody's so hurt
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anything you say you're walking on eggshells and the world is going to believe them whether they're telling the
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truth about their experiences or not exceptional branding I mean no matter
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what even if it's in it's unintentional line like right like they just oh she's
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she hurt my feelings um and it may be that I was just telling the truth yeah
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they're going to make that a thing and the world is going to side with them so that happened every day 10 times a day
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right and it ended being so bad that I think uh when people outside of our
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bubble of the women's March got a chance to see oh I could I know where there may
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be tension and points that they won't be able to work together they won't get through this together so we're going to
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amplify the differences and the problems and we'll watch it all crumble um but it
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didn't just crumble it crumbled on the backs of women of color in the organization and I as a black woman
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suffered extremely um to the point of me you know
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take started I started taking um Xanax at first trying to sleep and rest and
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next thing you know I was on perco setes and uh then it became an addiction I was taking 20 to 30 pills a day and I had to
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go to rehab uh so much love to my brother Jason Williams the NBA Allstar
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as we know he suffered with his own challenges and now he is deeply immersed in the healing space and when I found
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that out about him I called him and I'm like oh Jason my friend needs some help he let me make that call about three
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times we talked about my friend and finally Jason's like man stop don't you know I don't have time to waste I know
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the issues I get it you need some help let's get it together before something happens to you that you can't take back
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you know and I took that from him I understand because what he went through was something that he can't take back
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you know the issues that he dealt with so he helped me Rachel nordlinger who you know my home girl uh she took me to
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rehab dropped me off I was crying and they had a dog in the reab and I couldn't I was like
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damn trauma I got to stay in one area in here
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that dog didn't pay me attention at all the whole time he's like you don't like me I don't care I don't like you you
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don't like me dog you're not we're not here for that reason um and so you know
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I got through that but that's what I mean by you won't bring break my soul because I knew I was going to die right
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like 20 30 pills you got to you it's only a matter of time you know you're not saying it like I no I would never
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tell anybody I was suicidal but if you slip out in the middle of the night hey
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it's so it's cool whatever God says that's that's kind of how I saw it um and after you know getting myself
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together getting back on my feet because you have to reme imagine that I went down to nothing I had no speaking
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engagements you know they had labeled me a hater of everybody I was everything you could think of people didn't like me
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okay and the media was saying that I was done I was you know controversial in a
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very very bad way I was mislabeled um and even people black
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folks who I worked with and thought that they would defend me and stand with me
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they ran away from me you know people sto inviting me to things people stop you I wasn't on the list anymore for all
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the stuff so I don't care what you say some people would say oh damn those list and damn all of that when you work as
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hard as I've worked and I was a writer for Essence I was in Ebony magazine
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often um I was speaking everywhere going back and forth to the White House working with Erica Ford and at Mitchell
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and really making a difference which by the way all of them were like we still got to work so y'all don't know what
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your problems are get yourself together and come back to the battlefield cuz there's still people getting shot
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there's still things happening every day we need you to come back to where they never ever wavered you know those people
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it they know what it is but there were other people who I just expected I had served with them and I thought they
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would stand up for me so when you go through all of that I don't if you're human you're going to feel it and it
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impacted me so I'm coming out of rehab not knowing which direction to travel in
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where I'm going to go what I'm going to do and I thought I was going to die I just didn't think I was going to make it I didn't even know if I wanted to make
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it I just I feel like I that's it and um and I did so you can't break me you
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can't break you you can't break you Tama you can't be broken come on the bottom
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give her a round of applause I want everybody to read this book Thank you thank you hope you I want it to be a I
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wanted this conversation to be about you who your introspective what's happened
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to you personally not just the events and the moments the Milestone moments um
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that people may know you for we don't hear what happens we just see you on stage speaking in such a powerful way
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but we don't we don't know know what's going on behind yeah I talk about in the book too like you know my makeup stayed
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done my grandmother always used to say whatever you going through put some lipstick on and go out there and you know keep it stepping and so I did that
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but a lot of times the lipstick the makeup the clothes was covering a lot of pain and um you know and so I'm glad I
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got to free myself the the day of my release was the same day that Nelson
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Mandela was released from 27 years of captivity and we didn't know it uh no
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one on the team ever said it it was not it wasn't planned but I found this out in my comment section because a woman
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wrote wow your book is coming out on the same day that Nelson Mandela was released and I sat with that thing that
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it was in the morning early before I even got my day started and I said come on God that you would put those two
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things togethering powerful that is so I feel free I feel
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like there are so many possibilities for where I can go and I also understand um
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you know it's almost like God continuously reminds me of my calling cuz I got this book it's cute I'm like
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yeah I'm going to go off and be an author here I go once again finding a way to like be like I did my work in the
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movement I could go do something else and then I find the Nelson Mandela fact right and it's like it's as if God is
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telling me it's for such a time as this that you are still called to show up in
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this movement because this country is in serious serious trouble and we are going
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to have to fight like we've never fought before so I've given you this story and these experiences to teach you and give
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you wisdom so you can fight harder and better and be smarter about your fight in the
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future that's love I love it and as you go along as you're learning you're
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teaching too yes thank God thank God for that Tama mallerie man get the book citizens come on I live to tell the
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story A Memoir of Love Legacy and resilience proud of you keep going you
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got it all right love you too
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