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Should I take the prison pose down in front of you guys
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Hello everybody, welcome to another edition of Cowboys in Chill. Can y'all hear me back there
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Can you hear me back there? Again, this is Cowboys in Chill
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Every week at Echo Lounge. I want everybody's attention for one second
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Everybody's attention for one second. We're talking to Everson Wilds tonight. We're talking about the Cowboys in Pittsburgh, but we're also celebrating Kevin Pupp Smith
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Kevin Smith, three-time Super Bowl champion Cowboy. He's going into the College Football Hall of Fame this weekend
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Come on with it. Kevin's going to the College Football Hall of Fame this weekend
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He's going to A&M tomorrow for a series of events at College Station
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Kevin Smith is one of the great Cowboys. He's got three-time Super Bowl champion, All-American A&M
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One of my favorite Aggies from Orange, Texas. Not Orange. Orange, Texas
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Yeah. Orange, Texas. Again, we want to thank Kevin for allowing us
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Tyrone, you guys have allowed us to come out here every Thursday at Echo Lounge
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and do our Cowboys and Chill again. One more round of applause for Kevin Pup Smith
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Thank you. No doubt. That was nice. With all due respect, we got Jock Taylor, Deion Sanders' personal biographer
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to my left, former Dallas Morning News columnist. Yeah. Long Nation. Come on with it
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Producer extraordinaire. And the great Everson Walls. Can I give a round of applause for Everson Walls
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Come on with it. Everson Walls. Y'all know Grambling lost last week
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In five overtimes Oh wow To Preview We fought We fought till the end
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Y'all lost to Preview for like the eighth time in ten years Is that right
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I mean they beat them about 50 times in a row It is crazy It's about time to try to catch up Preview owns Grambling
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How do you feel about that as a Grambling Knight? Before we talk about the downtrodden Cowboys
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Can we talk about the downtrodden Grambling Tigers? Okay I think we are three and two
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I wouldn't call us downtrodden. I don't mind losing to Prairie View
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My dad went to PV. My dad went to PV as well. Is that right
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Yes, sir. For a quick second, my dad went to PV. And I'm kind of proud of all of HBCU
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I'm glad they offered that type of excitement. We really needed that
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That means that next year is going to be even more people show up. They might absolutely field up the place
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Yeah, no, it was great. It was nice. At the Cotton Bowl. Everybody talks about the Cotton Bowl
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Wasn't Nate Newton the, didn't he toss the coin or something like that
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Yeah, I think so. Nate Newton did the coin toss, Hall of Famer, Black College Hall of Famer
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We're also a Black College Hall of Famer. What's also true is Emerson Wiles is made the cut to the 60th
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final 60 of the senior committee for the Hall of Fame. He going to get in the Hall of Fame
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No, I doubt it. You're going to get in there. I really doubt it. I must admit, my goal is before I pass on, I'd love to be in the Ring of Honor
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Right. There's no doubt about it. You know, I always tell people, you know, I was born and raised here
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I was here before Jerry got here. Right. And if nothing else, my loyalty to this team when I played, my playmaking when I was on this team with my great teammates
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I always thought it was something that would be a no-brainer, actually. Right. But when you're talking about a one-man voting committee, then you got to pay the piper
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And sometimes I just refuse to do that. No, and honestly, listen, you are deserving
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I watched you as a kid. Not that you're that much older than me, but I remember your rookie year
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I do too. You know, I remember. How old were you guys my rookie year
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I was 20. Oh, my God. How old were you? What year was that
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Why you frown like that? What year was it? It was 81
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Oh 81 I was in high school I was in high school
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Don't ask how old I was You weren't even born yet I was in high school in 81
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I remember vividly I also remember the catch Did you cry too
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Everybody here You turn it up a little bit or no? You might not turn it up any bit
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But I can say this though I can say this, though. He's the reason why I'm a Cowboy fan
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got 11 INTs. I'm talking about a guy that came out of nowhere
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and he was able to cover every blade of grass. A lot of people had him counted out
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But, man, you did a remarkable job, and I can just can't wait to just shake your hand
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My brother, I appreciate that. He got nine in year two. He got nine in year two
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He got nine and then he had 11. No, no, no. I had seven in year two, but it was only in nine games
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I believe that year, if we would have kept playing, I probably could have made a run at the NFL record
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I ended up with 11. I think the record is 15. 14
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14. Oh, I think I would have made it. Wow. 14? I would have made it
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I would have made it. Oh, you definitely would have made it. And you have a knack for getting after the ball
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You know, it's funny because I've done the story many times. You was a basketball player growing up
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Yes. You wasn't a football player. No. You was a basketball player, and you became a football player, you know
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just because you had a natural athletic ability. How good were you in basketball
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Was football the right choice? Yes. Football was the right choice. I only played one year of high school football because I tried the basketball avenue
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and that didn't work out for me because guys started jumping real high, bro
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I mean, I could dunk the ball, but I wasn't a guy like the two-handed dunks and all of that
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I needed a little running start and things of that nature. So I enjoy basketball, but the things that I did with basketball, that's how I was able to make my plays
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John Madden talked about me one day, and he said, if there's a 50-50 ball, Everson's going to have it
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And that's simply because of my rebounding ability. To me, I look at his interception as a rebound
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I have to box the guy out. The ball's in the air. You got to catch that as high as a point
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And that's just the way I do it. That's all basketball. And we ain't going to talk about the 4-7-40
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No, no, we don't want to talk about that. We ain't going to talk about the 4-7-40. But you had anticipation
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I saw a whole lot of guys that run faster than me getting toasted
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Right, getting toasted. So I don't think it matters how fast you are. It's how quickly you think
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Hey, getting toasted, not make Pro Bowls, not make the team, not do half of what you've done
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So it's not all about that. No 57 interceptions. No. How many
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57. 57 is a lot. Overall, I think with the playoffs it's 60, maybe 61
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Yeah, that's a lot. They don't count that. And speed don't guarantee that
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No no but I think I actually wasn as slow as I ran the 40 Right I think it was a game speed type of thing Yeah Because you know when the ball in the air it I mean Jerry Rice ran 4
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Yeah, but damn. He ain't running no 4-6 when I'm trying to cover him
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Right. But it was game speed. It was also anticipation. It was also your smarts
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It was also your instincts. Yeah. I think that a couple of Cowboy cornerbacks now have similar skills
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similar instincts. Oh, there's no doubt about it. De'Ron Bland and Trevor B. I'm blessed as a secondary to have two guys that are ball hawks the way they are
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And I have always been just so critical of the Cowboys' lack of ball skills
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Right. I'd say around ten years ago. And then here comes Diggs and Bland at the same time
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My boy Orlando's family couldn't catch. How would you describe Diggs as a corner
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I think Diggs is a lot like me. He plays the same way. he looks to make the interception
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sometimes which gets him in trouble and got me in trouble a few times
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the only difference is he's just a much better athlete than I was
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I'm sure his vertical is high I think my vertical is maybe 36
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I'm pretty sure his vertical is much higher I'm pretty sure he's stronger than I was
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I never did care about lifting much weights so yeah I would give him a stronger frame
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a faster person but we think alike. We think a lot alike
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How about Bland? Bland is just a bit smaller. To me, Bland is one of those guys that I think is more multi-talented than Diggs
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His ability to return the ball after he catches it. I think when he broke the record, you don't take for granted that that's a touchdown
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I think that's when he went around 50 or 60 yards. He knew he was going to score when he caught it
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even though the path wasn't clear. So this is something that he's accustomed to doing
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Obviously, he played a lot more offense than either Diggs or myself because his ability to return the ball at this point is unparalleled
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You know, you look at this Cowboys team, and you were here before Jerry. Yeah
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You were here in the previous, you know, under Tom, and certainly you saw the Cowboys win it in the 90s
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how surprised are you that the Cowboys have gone 29 years or heading into their 29th year since they last have even been to the NFC
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championship game? What's so crazy to me is that people don't respect the Danny White with the
10:00
three straight NFC championship games. Yes, that's true. And, you know, he can't win
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He won. They haven't even sniffed the NFC championship game. Well, I think with Danny, Danny was surrounded by so much
10:14
Let's just be real. No, no doubt. Danny was able to utilize all of his weapons and especially a hell of a coach
10:21
But the Cowboys, even then as now, there are certain things that happen
10:26
Hey, you could talk about the catch, Dwight Clark and myself. You could talk about so many plays
10:33
The Aaron Rodgers pass to the tight end down the field. We have everything under control after Dak and Zeke played a great game back in 2016
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team. These are the kind of things that it happens to good teams. It happens to great
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teams. We just haven't had that break. But what I must say, when you're talking about
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the uniqueness of the Cowboys, there are times when you have to let the players play and
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the coaches coach and everyone else be quiet. And you're never going to have that here in
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Dallas. Yeah, because of why? Because of your owner. Because of the owner. Yeah. I don't
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if you saw the owner landing his helicopter in the middle of practice
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Just coincidentally. It's such a coincidence that he happened to be just when the media was out there
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It was such a coincidence. Right in the middle of practice. He lands his helicopter in the middle of practice
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Knowing practice started, knowing you're going to be late. He couldn't wait until you guys were going to soak it up
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and gravitate towards him and just delight him to death. That's how it is
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He knows that that's going to happen. And I would say this
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I don't even know what some of the other team's owners' names are
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I don't even know what the other team's owners look like. But everybody knows what the Cowboys' owner looks like
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That's because he's also the general manager. How much do you think that type of distraction messes up the environment
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messes up the culture, you know, of a team trying to win
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I am not saying that it messes up the culture at all. What I am saying is if you bring in a coach, only certain coaches are going to be able to operate under that kind of purview
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Only certain coaches are going to be second-guessed by an owner. There's no other owner, I believe, in the NFL that would second-guess his coach or even take over the narrative publicly the way he does
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A coach can say one thing, they go ask Jerry Jones, and Jerry Jones will say something else that will contradict everything that the coach just said
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Ask him what he heard from Dalvin Cook. Yeah, it's funny because I've been talking to Dalvin Cook
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There's a lot of conjecture about the running backs and whether Dalvin Cook is going to play
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So I go to talk to Dalvin Cook today, and Dalvin Cook tells me that he goes to IG on his phone every Tuesday
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to listen to Jerry Jones on the radio to find out if he's going to play
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Not the coaches because he don't want to ask the coaches, but he goes to his IG and has it open because those people are going to report
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or talk about what Jerry Jones said on the radio and find out whether he's going to play this week or not
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Well, what did Jerry say? He said he wasn't going to play. On Tuesday. You don't set the roster until Friday
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the coaches don't want to you know they don't really want to tell the opponent no you don't
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want to live that information you know you don't you don't really talk about who's going to get elevated for the practice squad to Saturday Jerry announces it on Tuesday
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and the thing about it is it's so contradictory because he likes people talking about it he likes
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the controversy so if you say I don't know that's going to cause more talk but the fact that you
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shut it down on Tuesday is crazy to me. Well, they have this narrative
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out there that Jerry Jones is one of the only owners to make more money
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losing than winning. It's funny because it's a narrative, but they don't lose. They just don't win
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You don't like that. You know what I'm saying? Because that's what kills me. You hear people talking about the Cowboys. My daughter
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She said the Cowboys are losers. They're not losers. They're 12-5, 12-5, and 12-5
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They're not losers. They're not 0-16. Post-season losses are just as big
14:33
No, I agree, but people act like they don't win nothing. Like they're losers
14:38
They're not losers. I think when you're talking about the number one franchise in the world
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then you would expect, as you just mentioned earlier, The questions come up about okay do you want to win or do you want to make money Those questions always come up It winning the main thing It winning the main thing Because he hasn changed his M at all No that a valid question But I just there a narrative out there
15:06
Like I said, I got kids, my young kids. There's a narrative that Cowboys are losers, that they don't win
15:12
Because the standard is there. Only because that standard is there. Well, it's a standard from 100 years ago
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The standard ain't been a standard since 1996. That's true. That's true
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Okay? That is so true. There's a whole generation of people never knowing the Cowboys to be winners
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How can that be their standard? How do you cover them then? Do you cover them as a team with championship possibilities
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or do you cover them as a team that is? I write how they play. That's what I do
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I write how they play. Certainly they're on TV a lot. They're talked about a lot
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They're always in prime time. I've been covering the Cowboys since 96
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I've seen four playoff wins. I've never seen that standard. Okay? Do you think they're treated differently from other teams that have made the playoffs in the long time
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or made the Super Bowl in the long time as well? No, they're definitely treated differently because they're the Cowboys
16:05
See, now. But I'm just talking about the fans. See the contradiction there? No, I agree. But I'm just talking about the fans and the generation of fans who've never seen them win
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who act like they're supposed to win all the time. Well, Jerry told us that
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Well, Jerry has won. That's right. You know. So it's just interesting
16:26
With this team, with Micah out, with Lawrence out, with Bland out
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you're already playing a backup quarterback. With Cook out. Now with Cook out, who he hasn't played that well
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So I don't know how much that's a loss. I think that his lack of play, good play, is the fact that his knee is bothering him. Right
16:48
He's been hurt since training camp. He's been hurt since training camp. That's what happens when you take on a big load and you only have number one wide receiver in training camp at all
16:57
Do you see them having a chance at Pittsburgh this weekend? I always see teams as having a chance
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As a player, I don't know where people come off saying, oh, no one has a chance
17:07
If you think that as a player, then that's why you want probably a champion because you always believe there's a chance
17:15
That's just the way I was always optimistic about that. It had nothing to do with the Cowboys
17:19
That's just the way I looked at life. Well, there's a way to win every game. Yeah, there's a way to win every game
17:23
You're talking soft. I don't think it's turned out. I don't know
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I talk the way I talk. No, I can't hear you. I can't hear me. But anyway, keep on going
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They can hear you online. Huh? They can hear you online. Okay
17:37
Oh, we're online? Yes. So people are going to hear what I said? Yeah. Of course
17:44
But go ahead and ask your question. I'll repeat it. I forgot. I'm an old man. Oh, there's a way to win every game
17:50
Yes, there's no doubt about it. It's can you execute that way to win, and there's a small margin for error
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But that's why they have upsets every week, because some team we didn't think was going to win wins
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And maybe that's the case for Dallas this week. You know, any time you have a quarterback like Dak
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any time you have a receiver like C.D. Lamb, any time you have guys with a little pride about themselves
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talking about Zeke Elliott, you know, you're talking about guys that coaches also
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that know how to put together a game plan. Right now, Pittsburgh is not the ultimate team
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My point is, at this point, I don't think anyone's a Sherlock on any game
18:28
No, Pittsburgh's not a juggernaut. And I'm glad you brought up Jack. But the parity itself in the league right now
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I'm glad you brought up Jack because a lot of conjecture about how good Dak is
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What do you think of Dak Prescott as a quarterback? Not his money because the money's the money
18:43
I never look at money. It has nothing to do with it. Everyone judges him because he has the balls to hold out and get the money he deserves
18:51
Right. You know, I was about that all the time when I played. Go get your money because they can't pay you
18:58
They won't pay you money they don't have. It's not like he's breaking the bank. Right
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They're not going to write a check that they can't cash. So my thing is Dak, obviously he's done very well in the regular season
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12 regular season games in the past three years. I believe that Dak is just like any other quarterback
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He gets nervous in the playoffs. He feels pressure being a Dallas Cowboy quarterback since we want to talk about the exception of that
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Those kind of things, I believe, comes into his head. But I also believe his coaches do not give him the kind of game plan that he needs to be successful
19:35
There are times when his teammates definitely let him down. And then there are times when he just doesn't play well
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So I can't put it all on him, but I also can't take it all off of him either
19:48
No, you need your quarterback to make plays. You need your quarterback to do some things
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You need your quarterback to make up. When I see quarterbacks doing well, it's because their team came with them
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He's not trying to do it by himself. That's the kind of players I like to see
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That's the kind of games I see other quarterbacks having who are successful
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They depend on their teammates. defensively, why can't the Cowboys stop the run
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You're a defensive player. That's a tough one. Well, let's be real
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You got Randy White and John Dutton in the middle. When the Cowboys had the flex going
20:29
Right. As the flex was becoming obsolete. Right, right. We got trounced twice
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Oh, wow. Now I can hear myself. We got trounced twice. By Eric Dickerson
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You remember those games? Yeah, 250 yards. One game. One game. Let's talk about the other game
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That was 20 to 30. The ice bowl game that we had. Well, it was ice in the end zone in January, and they came here at Texas Stadium
20:56
We've had those issues. We have always had those issues, and that's just the coaching thing
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It has nothing to do with the players. The coaches do not have them prepared
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How demoralizing is it for a team and a defense when you can't stop the run
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When people just drive the ball down the field. Well, as a defensive back, I can be like Pontius Pilate
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I can just wash my hands and say it ain't my fault
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But I am the guy that has to, along with Michael Downs, the guys that has to stop them from scoring
21:26
I think the issue that you have with the Cowboys with their players
21:30
they have to be more game aware. Those veterans, the Trayvons, the Parsons
21:38
those guys have to understand that you have to be the ones to rally
21:44
I saw the plays against the Saints, and I saw the plays against Baltimore
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The secondary has no recognition of what the offense is trying to do to them
21:56
And to me, that comes from coaching. But also, as a player, you have to have more pride in how you play in the secondary
22:04
And that's always the ones I'm looking at. How do the DBs play? how they support that front seven
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And they're not supporting them well at all. Yeah, and you also have to, you know, when they do a lot of edge runs
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the cornerbacks got to come up and play the edge. They got to tackle. We never had a problem with that when I played in the NFL
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Even Ron Fellows and Dennis Thurman hold the edge Right I held the edge We didn play much cover too But I definitely held the edge And I didn even lift weights when I played
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So I know with these guys, with all of their – I didn't even have these when I played
22:41
I look more like you guys. Amen. Why you do that? I'm just saying
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I didn't even lift weights. Why you didn't lift weights? I just wasn't a guy that thought that weights – I needed weights
22:54
My whole thing was about maneuverability. That was it. My whole thing was about agility
23:00
I didn't need weights. I was a guy that did a lot of calisthenics and things of that nature
23:05
And that's why I never got tired during the ball game. So it's just funny. As a football player, you didn't lift weights at all
23:12
No, I'm not really. No, I'm not really. No, I'm not really. No, I'm not really. That's that basketball player. Bob Ward hated the fact that I didn't lift weights
23:18
Even when I went to the Giants, they had a weight coach that didn't like the way
23:23
my style was when I played. When it comes down to it
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technique is all I needed. I didn't need the strength at all. All I needed was the ability physically
23:33
to bring a guy down. And that's all about technique. It has nothing to do with hard hitting
23:38
It's all about making plays. Look at that. You also had that old man strength there
23:43
You had to have some more technique now. It's NFL. You got to have some strength to bring somebody down
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No, no. You had some natural strength. What you have to have is footwork
23:53
The fact that I was able to make plays simply because I was smart enough to be in position
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You got to be in position. I don't care how hard you hit someone
24:07
You have to be that guy, the last line of defense, and you have to make plays
24:12
I don't care how strong you are. You still have to bring guys down. You still have to have good footwork
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You have to have good hands. I agree, but when you tackle Earl Campbell
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Who said I tackled Earl Campbell? I never said I tackled Earl Campbell
24:26
As a matter of fact, Earl Campbell ran over me on the 30-1. Earl Campbell, just say
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I don't know how. I think he almost scored. I'm sorry. Sometimes you need some strength
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That's all I'm saying. You need less strength. When I need that strength, then that's usually when I fail
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Okay. I'm just saying. I'm serious. That's real stuff. Check the game good enough when you tackled Earl Campbell
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That's real stuff. I'm tackling wide receivers. Okay. I'm not tackling running backs
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and not Hall of Fame running back. That's a totally different thing
24:54
Totally different thing. With the Cowboys, they're 2-2. I don't know what you're expecting was
25:00
expectations was going into the season. 2-2, they're the critical mass. They had to beat the Giants at the two straight losses to the Saints
25:11
and Baltimore. Now you have a Steelers game, and we all will acknowledge
25:17
they're not a juggernaut. No. but you got Detroit and San Francisco coming up after the Steelers
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You have to win this game. I agree with that. No, there's no doubt I agree with it
25:30
But you also want to look at what the division is doing. You know, it's a long season
25:35
No. 17 games, it's a long season. But you do want to show, if you're not winning
25:41
you want to at least show some type of trending upward as far as your ability to make plays
25:46
Right, but you don't want to be 2-5. You don't want to be 2-5. You don't want to go into a three-game losing streak and then go into division games
25:52
and have to win everything that you do. This is the most challenging moment the Cowboys have had since Dak Prescott got hurt
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Oh, no doubt. This is the most challenging moment. You're not losing the catalyst for your team
26:07
but you're all losing the support for that catalyst. And that's the problem the Cowboys are going to have going into the next few games
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What's your favorite I'm moving off this year's Cowboys They depressed me
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What's your favorite time? Jack don't think the Cowboys Don't wear nothing
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I got them at 6 and 11 right now You know it's so funny to hear
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The media and how Casually you guys Talk about the demise Of your team
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You know it's I guess as a player I should be less sensitive about it
26:48
But I'm also a Cowboys fan. Right, I know that. And you guys have become so jaded
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I think the media is extremely jaded in the Dallas area. No, not really
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No doubt you guys are jaded. Listen, you guys have always been jaded
27:07
And I think you've been spoiled because you were around when Troy
27:11
and the Triplets were getting down. and now you're on the outside of that, but you were part of it
27:18
and now you see what's going on without the triplets. You see what goes on having to live life without the triplets
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I wasn't jaded when Romo and DeMarco Murray and Dez was killing the league
27:31
Were they killing the league? Yes, they were. Yeah, they were. Were they killing the league anymore
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The best game I think they had was the Seattle Seahawks. They were in the league anymore than C.D. and Dak are killing the league
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Yes. No, they weren't. Yeah. It's about the same. Because if you know the rookie year
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C.D.'s had best receiver year of the Dez. Dak and Zeke's rookie year
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Hell of a year. They were 13-3. Hell of a year. I think with Romo more experience when they were doing it
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but Zeke and Dak were rookies doing it. C.D. had the best receiver
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C.D.'s had the best receiver in the Cowboys receiver in history. I'm not nitpicking over who it is
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Yeah, but you're not going to sit there and say Dez Bryant is insignificant. No, I did not say that
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I didn't say that. What I'm saying is C.D. has killed the league more than Dez killed the league
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You've made some statistics. Well, only because they threw at him more. Only because they threw at him more
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Yeah, I mean, Dez has 1,616 touchdowns. Man. The same year that DeMarco had 1,800 yards and same year that Romo went 34-9
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And they was 12-4. Right. And they lost the greenback. The point was I was not jaded
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That's when they lost the Green Bay? They was 12-4 and lost the Green Bay. The point was I was not jaded the year that they was doing that
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I'm not nitpicking over who's the better set of triplets. Right. So when they play good, I'm not jaded
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But they got problems that can't be fixed right now. Right. That's true
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That's why I say, and I ain't seen nothing against the raggedy Rudy Poop Giants
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to make me think that they was going to do something. I agree, but we still have to play your game
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You have to play your game. And I don't mind being wrong. They can clearly prove me wrong. Yeah
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But it ain't going to happen. I think we misremembered that defense was trashed that year
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We're not talking about that, man. I understand that. So why are you bringing it up
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Because we're talking about, we're comparing. We was talking about was I jaded
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Was the media jaded? And the answer was no. Yes. But you're saying you had more belief
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No, you guys are jaded. I'm sorry. Well, again, I've seen for a playoff win
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I think maybe it's because I'm overly optimistic. I think that's what it is
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That could be it. That's what it is. That's what it is. I believe that. I can take that
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I can take that. I am overly optimistic. All I've seen is unfulfilled expectations
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All I've seen is a circus. I mean, my first year on the beat, Jimmy Johnson got arrested at the airport
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No, Barry Swinton. I mean, Barry Swinton. My bad. Yeah. Sorry, Jimmy
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Yeah. Mary Spurs got arrested at the airport. We were going through the Michael Irvin trial
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and it's been nothing but drama, no wins ever since. Yeah, that's true
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Players killing each other. That was attempted murder. They didn't actually kill it
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Players, DUIs killing. Attempted murder. Everybody got DUIs. Attempted murder. Not DUI deaths
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No, no, no. Okay. Little had one in the same room. So it happened
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That's been what we had, plus the circus. Campo dancing in the cage
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Don't forget Michael Irvin was trying to murder for hire on Michael Irvin
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That's all I've seen. I've seen nothing but this. I had a number of Christian players back in the day when Tom was running things
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Outside of Hollywood. Oh, he was the only one. He was the only one
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We had the murder for hire. You know, Bible study and choir rehearsal before the game
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Keith Davis getting shot in the ass. My guys have always been my front four, Randy White, John Dutton
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That's all we've seen. Tutal Jones, Harvey Martin. And let's be real
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We all had our issues as well as a team. But it wasn't social media around
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There was no social media. But let's be real. We were heavily scrutinized even then
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No, you were. It was as if we were part of whatever social media was
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We probably started social media because of the Michael Irvins and the issues we had there
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But even before that, the Hershel Walkers coming in and that kind of circus that was there at that time
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It was good when he was running well, but then the next year after that, we couldn't find him
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Hershel and Dorsett. That's not even a question. Are you asking me which
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No, I'm not asking which. I was mad at Hershel Walkers. I didn't think you were giving me the choice
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Of course, I didn't like Hershel Walkers because I'm like, Quit taking Dorsett's job. He ought to send my boy to Denver
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Well, I mean, if you would have used him the same way that you used, if you've used Dorsett the same way that you used Herschel at that time
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then Dorsett's numbers would have increased as well. That's just real. Yeah
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No, there's no question about that. Time never wanted to get that man 20K. Are we good
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Man, you can't just come get in a conversation. I just got to get in a conversation, man
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I'm trying to build a plane as we fly. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
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I appreciate it. And Law has been handling the technical difficulties with the mics in the building
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So where there have been technical difficulties inside Echo, there has not been technical difficulties online
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And so we've been getting this going and really talking to Everson about this current team
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He says the media is jaded. Jaded. about the Cowboys because Jack don't believe in them
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We think they're going 6-11. 6-11? Come on, that's how you feel
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You mean to tell me we can't beat the Rams? I mean, not the Rams, but we can't beat the Giants
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We can't beat the Eagles. You see what Jalen Hurts look like, right? I see what your run defense look like
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Oh, come on. Oh, come on. You've seen it too. So with that being said, what are your more concerns, the offense or the defense
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All of it. I think with me it's depth. I worry about our depth
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I think it's – I guess being an undrafted free agent, I never will understand guys that bow down to their low expectations of them
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if I'm a backup with the Cowboys, practice field or not, a practice team or not, if I'm a second teamer or not
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I just don understand a player that goes out there and allows the narrative to depict the kind of play that he makes I don like the tail wagging a dog Right I mean when I went out there you just couldn tell me that someone was better than me
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And I want to know what happened to that belief in players such as that
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We had Ron Fellows. Nobody ever talked much about Ron Fellows. But Ron Fellows was a decent defensive back
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He made plays for us. He was part of Thermos Thieves, and he made his interceptions
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He came out, he played well, and there were times when he shut down some receivers
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that he never should have been shutting down. Dennis Thurman was supposed to be one of the slower than me
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Slower than me when he played. But Dennis Thurman ends up making some of the biggest plays the Dallas Cowboys
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have ever seen. So my thing is, when do you start letting the narrative depict how you play
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and how you believe in yourself? That's what I'm worried about with the depth on the team
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Because I'm on the practice field Should I go out there and just suck
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Well, Bill Parcells once said that Confidence was based on demonstrated ability Okay
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Yeah You can't get confidence If you don't demonstrate the ability to get the job done
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If you didn't demonstrate the ability to get the job done Then why are you playing in the NFL
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That's my point If you're playing in the NFL You should have had some abilities shown
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I'm going to tell you this because you remind me of my boy I work out with in the morning
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Everybody ain't built like you, though. You acting like everybody built like you. He don't have to be like me
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He don't have to get 57. He could get 40. He could get 30
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He could get 20. I'm talking from a mentality. Everybody ain't built like you. That's my point as well
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Everybody ain't built like that. But you don't have to be Kobe to be good
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That's my point. You don't have to be great to be good. I don't know that they're not good
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They just haven't had a chance yet. Everybody don't have your mindset. Yes, they do
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No, they don't. No one's ever shown it to them. That's it
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No one's ever shown them that, that they believe in them like that. And so, like I said, they're letting the narrative depict how they play
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They don't believe in themselves. I'm sorry. This ain't no good. I think it has some ��
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You can have players in the NFL that aren't any good. There's nothing about that running game
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I think what you have in your mind came out of Hamilton Park. I'm pretty sure some guys grew up in a place tougher than Hamilton Park
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No, but what I'm saying is you came in with that mindset. You went to gambling with that mindset
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You came to the league as an undrafted guy with that mindset. People don't innately have that confidence
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They need to have that confidence built up. Okay, that's what your coaches are for
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Because if I'm taught a technique, I'm going to believe in the technique. And not just the technique, but the way I play the technique
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So even though a guy might not play like me, especially if he's faster than me
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if he's stronger than me, taller than me, then that guy needs to put it all together
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But the coaches need to help him do that. Have you coached before? Yes, I have. And I'm damn good at it
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I understand that. But did you not get frustrated with players who did not take to your coaching
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and your teaching? I did. You told them what to do. You gave them that company. I did
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And they still couldn't get it done. I did. But I also had a majority of the guys that I coach
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Eventually they believed in themselves because I believed in them. And I showed them the way to do it
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That's what coaches are for. It's not up to a player to come in and exhibit everything he needs to exhibit
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It's up to the coaches to get him ready to play. That's just facts
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The coach has to get you ready to play. Otherwise, why are you here? What is the practice team for
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What is second team for? Do you think these coaches are not getting the players ready to play on the Cowboys now
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I don't think either one of them believe in themselves. The players don't believe in the coaches
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Coaches don't believe in the players because otherwise you can't sit here and say, oh, I must play like a second teamer
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I must play as a practice team player. I'm going to get paid eventually
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They're going to snatch me off the practice field. Have you not seen any surprises in the NFL yet
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Have you not seen any player that surprised you? There's a bunch of them. We just need them on our team
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That's facts. But it's the reason why they're a second team player. They're going to play like a ��
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Not always. There was a reason. They said there was a reason I was not drafted. They said there was a reason, but there was no reason
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You're a different breed, dog. I'm just telling you, man. You want to believe a certain way
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If you believe it this way, I've seen it happen. I've done it
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They've seen me do it. It can be done. We're fine. We hear each other
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We're fine. Yeah, we're good. Yo, we're fine. I just think you're a different breed
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I'm just telling you, I ain't no different. I'm not as different as you think. Come on
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I mean, look at Kevin Smith. Look at Pup. Look at Pup. Why did Pup make all those plays
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Pup was All-American. Why was he an All-American? There's a lot of guys on practice teams that were All-Americans as well
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If nothing else, they were all conference. I just telling you guys you can be optimistic or you can be pessimistic You can choose how you want And I not talking about the guys that cover it I talking about the guys that play it and coach it No I agree
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But I'm just saying that I've been watching it a long time. There are a lot of guys who come in who are beaten down
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Did you know Bland was going to be good? Did you know Bland was going to be good
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No. Did you know that Bland was going to be making the plays today? I thought Morris Claymore was going to be good
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He wasn't. See, now you're going with pessimism. I'm talking optimism. That's my point
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I'm talking realism. That's my point. I thought more than Kevin. What realism was? Realism was that Bland had six turns for a touchdown
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He was eighth over on the draft, all of America LSU. He was eighth over on the draft
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Who was? Orange Claiborne. No, I'm not talking about him. I'm still talking about Bland
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Oh, he's talking about Deron Bland. Yeah, see, he's talking about pessimism. I'm talking about guys that actually showed you something that you did not expect
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You asked me if I thought Bland was going to be good. This is the whole deal here. And I'm saying I didn't know what a fifth-round pick was going to be
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I knew what I thought a first-round pick was supposed to be. The core of this conversation was just shown right there
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Pessimism, optimism. Pessimism, optimism. No, no, listen. As I tell Jack a long time ago, it's not my job to believe in you
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It's not. No, I write how you play. You show me what you do
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I'm not talking about how you guys write. I'm talking about what the coach and the players should believe in
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But when I yze, when I look, I'm not going positive or negative
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I judge what you do. So what did you think Bland would do when he came to the league
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You didn't have him on your radar. No, I didn't. But I watched him in practice
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And he had to show you. Right. And so what I've seen
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He wasn't proven before practice. He would have to prove it to you. And every time he got on the field, he did something
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That's right. And these guys, when they go on the field, what they're doing? They haven't met on the field yet
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They haven't made on the field yet. I'm talking about going back to practice. Going back to training camp
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Blaine plays all through training camp. Now, did you guys already break down the Pittsburgh Steelers versus the Cowboys this week
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While you was doing that, yeah, we talked about Pittsburgh. Oh, y'all already talked about that. Okay
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All right, so let me just jump in on this. I'm on the outside. Give your opinion until we get up out of here
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I know he got to go, but I will say this, though. I'll say this, though
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The main thing with Justin Fields is you got to keep him inside the pocket
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You got to keep him contained. One of the things on stopping the run is also good contain and also down with your DB
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Which is what we did against the Giants. We did against the Giants. We did play better containment
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We only allowed 26 yards rushing in that particular game. But with that being said, what do we need to do versus Justin Fields from your perspective
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especially on DB side? I think if you're close to the receiver, you create difficult passes
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Right. I think that makes him with turnovers. Right. I think he'll bring it down
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Okay. I think he'll make him second-guess himself. Okay. And that will give us time, hopefully, to get pressure on him
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But you can't let him escape. Right. You can't let him escape out of the pocket because if we're man-to-man
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he's going to be running right behind you for a touchdown. Most certainly. With Justin Fields, he trusts his legs more than his arms
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I believe that. Yeah. I believe that. So I think he'll throw you that 50-50 ball
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He will. And I know that Trayvon Diggs, he got hurt this week, right? No, it was
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What happened? He got hurt in practice. He had an ankle injury, but I saw him walking without a limp
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So he left practice with an ankle injury. They had to put him, but he was limited. But he's walking without a limp
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He should be good to go. Okay. Against Carl Pickens. Carl Pickens can't run faster than you
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Shoot, but he's an aggressive corner. He can high point the ball. Yeah, but he's also a knucklehead
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He might not run around. Okay, okay, okay. I like that. I like that. And it is facts
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But what about Austin? He's a slot guy. They got short area quickness
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He got two-way goals. They'd be the guy that we got to play attention to. Their offense scores 18 points a game
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Their offense does not run away and hide. They don't score a lot of points. The difference in this game, though
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is they will be going against more backup defensive backs. Okay. So it's going to be up to them to make some plays
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It's going to be up to them to be put in position, whether they're playing zone or whether they're playing man
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to understand how they are being attacked. Okay. So you have to have a game plan
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as a defense. You got to have a game plan. So one of the things that I like
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to say here is that you talked about Carson's and he said he's
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no good. Who? Carson's. The cornerback? He's no good. The cornerback. He said he's no good. The cornerback
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I do like that. He said he's no good
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But I do look like this. No good. He's just a guy. He's just a guy
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What about the other guy that they part in, Amani? Is he going to start this week
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See, the media comes up with that crap. Just the guy. Just the guy
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Only the media comes up with that BS Only the media calls him just the guy He been little a man trying to make a living His play is just a guy Nobody reads your articles and say come on man
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Are you a jar? Come on. Jag, we got a guy. No, you a jag. Just a guy
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No, you a jar. I'm not just a reporter. Just a reporter. I'm the most trusted
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cowboy reporter to cover the team. I'm not a jar. I'm not a jar
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You see what I'm saying? And the work you put in, it's got to be respected
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Right. And we expect for you to come out But he got to put in that work too though
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He may be on. No, he's not. He's just a rookie. He ain't put in no work
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He's a fifth round pick. He ain't got that. He had to go out there and work. He ain't draw a plan. He had to go out there and work just like everybody else
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He had to go out there and work. Yeah. What, you looking for help over here
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No, because he tried to diss B. John Robinson on the radio today. I was looking at him
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He tried to diss my boy B. John Robinson today on the radio. He like B. John
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Man, B. John. He like B. John. B's on mustard. B's on the bad point. All I can say here, and I know you got to go with what have you
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but I'm just going to say this. Whoever scored 21 first will win. Yeah, they don't score any points
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The Cowboys don't score any points. So, yeah, you get over 20, you have a chance to win this game
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Now, we do have the 32nd-ranked defense, and the Steelers got the first-ranked defense
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No, Steelers can't stop the run. You can't stop the run. Both teams are compromised
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Both teams are compromised with injuries. Yeah, Steelers can't stop the run
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and they got mismatches at pass rush. The Cowboys have a chance to take advantage of the secondary
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if they can block him up. Before we get out of here, let's do quick predictions on the game
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Okay. Start with Jack Taylor. You already said they 6-12 or 6-11
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6-11. Okay, what's the score you got? It looks like Pittsburgh to me 19-16
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19-16. He don't have a lot of points. This offense ain't scored 21 points this year
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while you're looking at me like this. Okay. You coming to me
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Yes, you. 23-20, Cowboys. See? He can be bad. Field goals. Field goals
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Field goals. Field goals. Like I told Jack on the radio today, earlier on two different podcasts today
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I'm going to trust that the Steelers are going to be the Steelers. They've been an 8-8 team for the last 10 years
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Oh, yeah. They're just the average football team. They're 3-1, but they're not a juggernaut
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They're going to play back to the mean. They lost to the Colts, who are not a good team
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They didn't score a lot of points. If the Cowboys don't turn the ball over, I think they have a chance to win 2018
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Okay. Well. See, everybody got a tight fit. It's a tight game
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Because ain't nobody running away from nobody. You got T.J. Watt. You got also Cam Hayward
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So, those boys have been. I think Cam got four sacks for the season. But Cam is going up against the Cowboys strength
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Yeah. Hold on. You said Tyler Guyton and also. No, Cam was a deep little tackle
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Yeah, but he also played on the edge. He coming up against
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Tyler Smith He going up against those boys But I will say this though
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This will be a tight game I think the Cowboys pull off at the end
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This is prime time This is where we live This is where we live
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This will be the first time Sunday night football They're going to be fired up
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On top of that This is a homecoming game For my guy Mike McCarthy Yeah
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He's from Pittsburgh. The last time at homecoming, he got his heart beat in Green Bay
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Okay. Last time at homecoming, at heartbreak. Hey, Mike McCarthy, your coaching career is on the line right here
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Play tall or not at all. Stand tall or not at all. Let's go get it, Mike McCarthy
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24-14. Cowboys. Wow, they're going to hold for 14 points. The defense is going to shut them down
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Two scores, and then the Cowboys are going to settle this thing down. I feel if Trayvon Deeds get out there, he'll take a pick from George Pickens
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I want to appreciate Everson Wilder coming out. Everson Wilder is going to the Hall of Fame
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He's going to get there. He's going to get in the Ring of Honor. We're going to speak it into existence
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Optimism. Optimism. Not pessimism. Not pessimism. Optimism. Optimism. Yeah, he got there
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We're going to get him into the Hall of Fame. We're going to get him into the Ring of Honor
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He deserves it. It's going to happen for him. Jack Closet. Jack Closet
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Devin Stewart, Jack Taylor, Long Nation. Let's go. We'll see you next week
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Come on with it. Come on with it. Let's get on up out of here. But I'm just going to say, man, that 24 number, he represented 24 the right way
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He represented 24 the right way. Ain't that right? Come on. Me and Clayborne
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Come on. That was a shot. Now who pessimistic? Yeah, let's go
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Let's get on up out of here
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