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listening to the money mike syndicate radio podcast how we doing how you doing wnba fans speak
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comments reaction caitlin clark unmeasurable greatness that's right wnba fans speak we always
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told you we'll take your rebuttal we believe that uh the fans are always correct we understand that
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you study the game just as much as i study the game and uh i've listened to some of the comments
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So let's get into it. You know, you'll start out Paul Hester
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Clearly Mike Clark is a Clark fan maniac. Clark hasn't won any championships
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Best shot maker in the WNBA history is Asia Wilson. Just last season became first WNBA player scored with 1,000 points
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This says a little bit. Great White Hope glazing includes black men who won't acknowledge the truth, I believe
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Okay, let's talk about that, Paul. Let's get into it. But, you know, you're talking, he's saying Mike is a Caitlin Clark maniac fan
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I like Caitlin Clark. Folks, what I love is point guards. I follow point guards across the globe
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It doesn't matter to me. And a lot of times I'm following the players that I've either trained or they're right there, right
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So when people say Mike's a Caitlin Clark fan, I'm a point guard fan
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I look for point guards who are the best in the league. Who can get the job done
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Who can do what we need to do? So I'm not really overbearing on being a Kaitlin Clark fan
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I really like Kaitlin Clark a lot, but I have to put her in, be objective, and say, what is her capabilities
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Now, let's talk about Asia Wilson being the best shot maker. Asia Wilson's not a shot maker
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A shot maker, let's define what a shot maker is. A shot maker is somebody can get up and down the floor full speed, who, what, when, where, and why
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You can get up and down the court full speed. You can stop and pop on a dime, right? So Kaylin can go to the left, right, doesn't matter
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And all of a sudden she's raising up, shooting the ball. And she's usually being guarded, contested, and she makes the shot
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And these are not 15-foot shots, right? I get Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson doesn't have 33 feet range
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She doesn't have the range to stretch out 33 feet. So let's not, you're talking about two different comparables
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One's playing from the perimeter. One shoots some threes, but Asia Wilson can't play on the move
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If I put Asia Wilson on the wing, advancing the ball, and she dripped penetration up, stop and pop, that's going to be difficult
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That's what Caitlin does. Paul, respectful and a great question, great response
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Okay, let's go to a cowboy. Cowboy, I get Dorothy from Wizard of Oz vibes from Caitlin
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Maybe that's because she's so popular. Yeah, 100%. Cowboy, 717, you're 100% right
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I mean, you're going to get a vibe out of Caitlin. Caitlin, guys, let's be understandable
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It's no different if you're in high school, right? and then you get if there's a new somebody transfers into school and there's a new prom queen that's coming in
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or there's a new beauty queen. It doesn't matter in that response
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What Caitlin Clark has been able to do is bring a different vibe, a different energy
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And when you bring someone in that brings a different vibe and a different energy, you've got to put it in perspective now
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If this player is bringing people into the arena, you can't fault that and you can't discount the player
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That's just the way it is. And if that player is bringing their fans, that's why I told you this is always like the movie Jackie Robinson 42
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I'm telling you, it's like that. Now, not in the context of racism and going through that, but there was a part in that meeting where the owner, Branch Rickey, was like, hey, you need to tell these guys
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They got a petition going. And that's what the WNBA says. They got a petition going
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We don't want Kaelin around. Well, let's get to that petition. And Branch Rickey told the manager of the Dodgers
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going down there and straightening that out. You know what he did? He took some pots and pans. He started banging them together
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He said, guys, look, long story short, he said, you better get used to it because there's more coming
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This next crop of players who are turning out of the WNBA draft now
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when they get here, folks, hang on tight. Because I'm telling you, there's more coming that you won't believe
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that are going to shine and do just as well as Caitlin. So that's a good thing
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Trash Horse, have you lost your mind? Caitlin Clark smokes Juju Watson in every aspect
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Well, probably too until we see it. You know, I like Juju Watkins, right? So here's the thing
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People will tell me, Mike, you love Caitlin Clark, right? Then I get the call and Juju Watkins is the best player in the world
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Then people tell me, Mike, you're nuts, right? And you know what? Half the time, you're probably right until it actually happens, right
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But I don't do it that way. I try to give you the information in advance, right
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So let's talk about be accountable. Who, what, when, where, and why am I saying what I'm saying
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And so this is really what it comes. I mean, at the end of the day, Caitlin Juju, we won't know until Team USA, right
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That's 2028. So let's keep it going. Let's see, Mike, keep it up
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I just subscribe. We thank you. And I do this for the fans. This is not for me
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I want to give you the most entertainment I can. And so I take a step back, take a look at what work I was producing
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And then I said to myself, how about you just stick to the who, what, when, where, and why
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You're saying what you're saying. and maybe it may come across a little bit easier
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So I got to go and do each player the same. I got to do each team the same
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I may speak about Chicago and Indiana because those two teams are going to play
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They're going to open up opening night in the WNBA. But here's a little secret for you that I see, right
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These two teams are going to don't like each other. Now it's going to get worse. So let me tell you why it's going to get worse, right
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Here's what you're working with. You're going to play five times this year
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You get in a seventh game series, folks. that's 12 times these two teams are going to play
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They go seven games, right? That's a lot, man. Pretty soon you can't stand each other after that
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So hang on to your hip. Let's see. What? CC been all over the place
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Yeah, CC's been everywhere. There's no doubt about it. Okay, what is this weirdo talking about
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What is it? Aetoro. What is this weirdo talking about? Clark could not play men's college basketball better yet the NBA
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She will still get the ball stolen from her at least nine times a game, the shot blocked 12 times a game, an average 10 turnover
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Well, let's go who, what, when, where and why. Right. Let's bring into my world
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What do you think these women are playing against now You think they playing against college men You think they playing against high school players No they going out getting a run with NBA players right So when you got Bam and you got Asia Wilson they have a relationship
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whatever, basically she's going to get some run with some NBA players, right? And at the end of
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the day, when you run with NBA players and you look at it, nobody's going to convince me that
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Kaylin Clark cannot check in, okay, an NBA game, take the ball up court, put all the pressure on
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you want, right? And she's still going to eventually get in there and she's going to score, right? It's not a question of whether you can play in the NBA. Let's get it right
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It's a question of whether you can compete in the NBA. Play in the NBA. All the WNBA players
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can play in the NBA. If you want to check them in a game, just let them shoot and run
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up and down like NBA players. You don't really have to play any defense right now in the
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NBA. So why wouldn't they fit in, right? I mean, I'm speaking logically here because
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this is what happens you got two seasons in the NBA right now they're just cruising right they're
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going to play a little bit to shift to see who's going to get in what position they're going to get
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but most of the season they're cruising up and down now you want to see the NBA turn up you want
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to see real basketball wait till the playoffs get here you'll see balls start flying in the fifth
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row right when those balls start flying in the fifth row of an NBA game yeah that would be tough
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for the WNBA players to play but Jewel Lloyd can get in there and knock down 20 I mean it doesn't
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Doesn't take much. I mean, you got to look at who plays what, who, what, when, and where, and what role will
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they play, and how will they adjust the defense for it, right? So, I mean, I look at it differently, but everybody's got a right to say what they want
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We're open to rebuttal. Thomas Christ, totally agree. I just, going to post-soccer-basketball connection, she turns basketball into a beautiful game
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I mean, that's what Kaitlin does, guys. Here's what I want everybody to understand something about Kaitlin Clark that a lot of
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people don't know, right, is you have fans who enjoy watching Caitlin Clark come out and play
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I want you to think about that. If you got fans that enjoy watching you come out and play
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why would you change that? Why would you get upset at that? There are people who enjoy
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watching Caitlin play. If you're a WNBA player and you have fans who enjoy watching you play
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that's how it works. You can't change that or mix it up. You got to go with what you got
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so I mean it really makes sense a lot of people like Caitlin fill up great ysis Caitlin is
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more exciting dribbling the ball from coming to any other player she's faster with the ball and
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their defenders are without the ball what she will do next shoot logo three move from the arc make
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another three make an incredible assist uh to cutting teammates make a behind the back pass
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and step three yeah Caitlin's unmeasurable nobody could sit here and literally tell you what Caitlin
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is going to do because you don't know how a player reacts, right? Every player reacts differently
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Some players, you put pressure on them, they fold and they fall back. Some players, you put
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pressure on them, they stand their ground. Then there's other, who, what, when, where, and why
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right? You put pressure on them, they're going to step back, hold their ground, and move forward
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right? That's Kaitlin Clark. Kaitlin's going to step back. She yzed it. You guys said they
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were grown women. Well, I didn't believe that because now, I mean, what is Kaitlin, a child
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no no guys she's not right and here's the deal if you were able to stop caitlin right here's just
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my opinion if you were able to stop caitlin then you would have if you don't then she's doing what
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she's supposed to do because every player that comes in and out now here's where i get in the
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defense not really defensive the wm but understand what their thought processing nobody cares what
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anybody did in college when you make pros right you make it to the nfl nobody cares that you play
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for Georgia. You make it to the NBA. Who cares if you played for Duke? You're in the NBA now. You're
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in the league, right? So all these women, what they're basically saying, we don't care what
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Caitlin did in college. Let's see what she does here. Well, she's not ready because they weren't
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ready, but Caitlin came out more ready than any other WNBA player, probably in the top 10, right
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Because she's about to be because she came out ready to roll, right? Right out of college. And
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here's what she did. She played all the games, every single game, 38 minutes a game. I mean
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come on guys let's be honest with each other here right because we can't do it cc is a billion to
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the industry yeah yeah 100 i mean the money that players make at the end of the day you know what
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you got players are going to make money right so it doesn't really matter angel reese is going to
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make money right there's nobody djnay carrington is going to make money and i already told you guys
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here's how it works right social justice the more people talk about how bad angel reese is and she's
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not good or how bad Asia Wilson is she's not good you're just making them more money because every
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time you talk bad people the reaction is go buy the jersey every time you tell me can't play what
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is their reaction go buy the jersey every time something happens what does Nike do they'll give
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you social injustice t-shirts they'll be on the market tomorrow right you gotta understand something
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about what's going on you think you're criticizing the player you're just making them more money in
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their industry and they believe that and they're not going to hold back right proof positive we're
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going to go to boo sudan proof positive caitlin's game popularity she generated over 56 000 attendance
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for exhibition girls college basketball played on a basketball court constructed in the middle of a
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college football stadium yet yes they came to watch 2200 magic who else could pull that stuff off
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page couldn't and neither can the wnba players well boo sheldon's right i mean facts are facts
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We can't sit there. Folks, who, what, when, where, and why? Put a game out there in a football stadium
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Cain and Clark draws 56,000 people. You put another game out there with WNBA players
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Do they draw 56,000? If you don't, you can't argue it, right? You can't argue that fact
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That's facts, right? Cain and selling out games. You can't argue it, right
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Who, what, when, where, and why? Okay. Numbers don't lie, all right
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That's why they got the gap, generally accepted accounting principles, right? You put it together
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You can't move the numbers. Dayton moves numbers. That's the way it is
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Other players in the WNBA move numbers as well. They just don't move as much
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That's the difference there. All right, let's keep it going. Patrick says fire
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Keep it going, no doubt. Let's go putts and jam. Wow, Mike, this is the first time I've seen your podcast
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Love it. Subscribe like and comment Say hey love to have you man And I do this for the fans and the fans got a right to give a rebuttal Fans got a right to say hey Mike you wrong You know what I can be
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There's no doubt about it. But most of the time I give it to you so far in advance that everything I'm telling you
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you got to let it saturate for a minute and then you catch up and then it's going to hit
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the national news, right? Why do I get the ability to do that? Because I come from the NFL
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You got to do the R&D. You got to research these stories. You can't just stand here and say this is what's going to happen, right
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So it's got to all make sense. And that's what this thing is all about. All right
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So we got, Paul says here, oh, it came back. I'm a 71-year-old female
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Well, hello, Putts and Jam. Thank you for tuning in, Putts and Jam
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All right. So I have watched very little basketball since I graduated from high school and quit playing
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I was channel surfing. I saw women's college basketball. It was I
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I was Kalen. I was hooked and been a fan ever since. There it is, folks, right
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At the end of the day, you have to get the fans that you have, right
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And this game now has changed, right? If you go back 20 years ago in the WNBA, people would not see a player
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They would just buy a ticket, and then they'd be the first time they're going to see the player
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Social media has changed that environment where now you see highlights and you see players' lifestyle, what they do
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So it's going to be more attractive than it was 20 years ago
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And that's what Kaitlin bring. Kaitlin's bringing a fan base. Paige Buchers is going to bring a fan base
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Angel Reese brings a fan base. The current WNBA players didn't have to do that
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Now it's changed. And if they've got 10,000 or 15,000 people going to cheer with them, you can't fault them for that, right
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You got to let them, allow them to be who they are. And they came up in a technology generation
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And that's why they can reach more people than the players who are currently in the WNBA because they never had to do an NIL, right
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But NILs have changed the game. I'll talk about that in a little bit, right
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All right, let's go to Abe Scotland. What's going on, Abe Scotland? I love Abe Scotland
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Let me tell you why, because he's going to give me the thorough, methodical answer. And this one here, I can always guarantee it
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And he's going to make me think a little bit. Let's see what Abe's talking about. Agree with you in the main, and particularly for the 2026 NBA, we'll have to agree on a
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more balanced split of revenue so the players can get a bigger share of bigger pie, which
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has grown organically largely due to one player in one franchise and is not due to the 75 million
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dollars spent on separate marketing 2021 right so i mean you got a point there but here's the deal
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here's the deal i'm gonna break this down the wnba cba guys let me tell you how this went
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the owners put together a league right and it was called the wnba david stern is how it all
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came together. Now, here's the deal. The NBA owners wanted to fold the league. The WNBA players
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from then till now, they gave a lot of sweat equity, right? They didn't make any money
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They couldn't negotiate with the NBA, right? Because it was a take it or leave it deal. Either
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you take this deal or you fold the league. That's what I'm telling you. The WNBA could fold the
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league and I'll tell you why. Because Unrival can get in this thing and then you can get in the NCAA
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WNBA professional women's basketball, right? You got to look at this thing, how the landscape is going
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Now, WNBA is trying to fight, but here was the deal with the league
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This is not the common league. It's not like Major League Baseball. It's not like the other leagues, okay
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The NBA, where the owners are 100% owners, and the players are 100% players, right
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So because the NBA owners wanted to fold this league, and they wanted to be done with it
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the players said, no, we'll give you the sweat equity. We'll play for less. We'll keep playing
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And then they said, okay, fine, we'll do that. So as the league kept going and this one kind of
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speed up till the day, so it's not a normal league, but then here comes Kathy Egbert, right? And you
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got, you got a league that the NBA only owned 42% of the league, right? They owned 42% of the league
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Here's where it gets a little tricky for you and hang tight with me on this because most people
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won't talk about it, right? So you got the WNBA, if they own 42, that tells you right there that
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somebody else owns the other 52%, right? So what happens? They go, Kathy Engelberg goes to the WNBA
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who owns more percentage of the league than the NBA, right? So guess what they do? They come out
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and say, well, we're going to go ahead and get $75 million capital raise, and we're going to give
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you 15% or 16% of equity for that $75 million. Now let's take a step back, right? Because we've
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got to go who, what, when, where, and why. Now here's how it all shook out. So now I'm going into
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a CBA. The WNBA, as Abe said, nope, they didn't help. Caitlin did all of this. I'm saying, well
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if Caitlin did all of this, where is the $75 million that the WNBA players gave up 16% for
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Where did that money go, Abe? That would be my question because your point is valid
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but where is the 16%? Because if I'm correctly, if they did this raise, then basically they gave up
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a percentage of equity to market the WNBA, to build up the WNBA, to be diluted or be in
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a CBA agreement? Who markets a league, the players for the league, and then gets in a negotiation of
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a CBA? That's why this doesn't make sense, and it's chump change, folks. It's chump change
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This one here is really bad because the league, here's the thing, okay, and everybody says the
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league's not making any money, right? Money Mike's going to give it to you straight. Hang tight
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Abe, because I've got you. I get what you're saying. Let me read Abe's second part, too
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It's not discrimination if one side doesn't know how to negotiate for the best deal. This is Abe
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I mean, he's pointing it out, but that's not a good deal. They got strong-armed into that deal
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right? That was a deal under duress. Either you take the deal and we fold the league. So
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you can go that route right Because Money Mike wants to talk about who what when where and why and what happened right So now you move as Abe is saying the NBA will agree to a more balanced spin of revenue so the players get a
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bigger share of a much bigger pie, which is growing organically largely due to one player. I get you
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on that, right? Okay, so it's not discrimination best deal. Imagine selling 16% ownership for 75
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million in 2021. It was the worst sports deal ever. That's the hang up. Abe's nailing it down
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that's the hang up i don't understand why the wnba gave up 16 of their money right because i'm
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going to answer that before you right here which has grown organically largely due to one player
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as you always said right or did the wnba never really believe they could grow the game above the
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league average attendance of 8 000 the deal for outside investors right in my opinion it was my
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family that put the toughness, right? He's talking about CC, but let's go back to the question
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I got a couple more from you, but I'm probably going to come back and do this one again, right
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I want to, I'm going to, I'm going to wrap here because I want to come back and address some more
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So you'll get another version of this, but folks, let me tell you what happened here. All right
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You took the 16%, which is the equity from the WNBA. They own the league, right? You trade that
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for 75 million now you go into a CBA so let me go blow up the league and market the league so now
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now it doesn't matter that Caitlin came that doesn't matter because they're marketing Caitlin
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too but now I got I gave you equity for 75 million so that you could market the league
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you're marketing Caitlin Caitlin comes in and Caitlin has brought a lot right now here's the
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problem. Everybody wants to talk about the WNBA is not making any money. The WNBA is losing 50
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million. I'm going to stop right here, but this is my question I got for everybody. Because when I
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come back, I want you to answer this question for me. Please tell me why would somebody
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go into a league and pay 50 million dollars as the Vulcaneers paid if the league is not going
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to make any money. Why would Toronto pay $125 million to come into a league that you can't make
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any money? Why is Kansas City Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes saying I've got a stadium and 250 million
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right? Why is Cleveland prepared to pay 250 million acquisition fees? Now here's what happens
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they got shark tanked right you check it out they got shark tanked and when i say shark tank
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every time you get an expansion team it dilutes the wnba player's share every time they sign on
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another team it's going to dilute your share so what does that mean you have you you are the fan
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you own 50 of money mike i'm money mike i own 50 right now every time money mike goes out and gets
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another partner, I'm going to dilute your 50%. That's a shark tank, fellas. That's corporate
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enterprise business, right? So now you're thinking, well, I own 50% of the money mics. No, you don't
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because every time I go out and sign another partner that comes in, we're going to dilute you
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right? Or every time we do a capital raise, it's going to dilute you. It's going to dilute
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dilute, dilute, dilute. So if the WNBA takes on 32 teams, that 42% that the WNBA owns now is going
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to be diluted all the way down even lower right so you're talking about two different things here
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you're talking about two different things you're talking about the dilution of equity and you're
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also talking about the amount of money that players make those are two different things folks
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when a wnba team owns that much percentage and the owners need diluted down because all that
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acquisition money can go to retirement right there's a lot of buckets and a lot of things
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that's going on here. This one's off balance because there's no way in the world anybody's
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going to pay $250 million to join a business that's going to lose money. They're making money
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folks, and it's got to change. And Kaitlin Clark coming on in here, her unmeasurable greatness is
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going to change it. And I really want to make sure that the fans understand that this is not
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something any of the players have done. It's just they got into a bad business deal. The business
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deal didn't work out. Abe's, I thank you, Abe's Scotland, right? I thank you, Abe's. That's the
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greatness of it because we talked about this 16% a while back and I talked to you guys about it a
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while back, even with Caitlin. I said, what? This 16% is going to cost you a billion dollars, right
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Because when you get to a $500 million acquisition fee and you're not getting your percentage of
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that, you're going to lose a lot of money on that. Nobody is going to convince anyone and
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There's nobody else that I can convince that's here watching, and I thank you for tuning in
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is that you're going to go out. I'm going to go get a capital raise from you. I'm going to go
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You're going to go to work for me and market my entire business. And then when you get it all marketed up and raised and the players come in and everything
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now you come back and negotiate a deal for me. Well, you did all the sweat equity, right
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The owners didn't have to do it. Really, the NBA owners, the owners of the WN, they have to lift a finger, right
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They have never had to lift a finger in this deal. They never had to get up. You haven't seen an owner come out marketing the WNBA, anything like that, right
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Let's go back to who, what, when, where, and my. Caden Clark's unmeasurable, but the WNBA is also unmeasurable
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And now this is a different CBA, folks. This is not normally a player
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The NBA owners are going to fold this league. The WNBA players decide to work on sweat equity, and now they want their share
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Money Mike syndicated podcast. We always open your comments. I read each and every one. And
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remember all things are possible to those who believe. Caden Clark is an unmeasurable player
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Caden Clark's also an immeasurable negotiator. And Caden Clark holds the keys to the city
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of the WNBA. March Catelyn in. Let's get it right and let's make the deal
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Thank you for tuning in and we'll always tell you it's my opinion, but it's also your opinion
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Who, what, when, where and why your feedback is well respected. Your rebuttal is well respected
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