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This is Lee Brown from No Smoke Sport, here for a special episode of Box Office
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where we're looking ahead to the blockbuster matchup this week. There's Terrence Crawford versus Errol Spence for undisputed World to Weight Championships
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We're joined by Tokers from No Smoke Sport, TJ, better known as Chilltown on Twitter
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and George Glinski from The Daily Mail. Guys, how are we doing? Very good, thank you
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South fellas. All good, all good. Tokers, I'll come to you first
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How big is this one? I mean, I'm stating your butt. It's huge, isn't it
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Yeah, very, very big. You know a fight's big when a UK broadcaster
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puts it on pay-per-view at 5 o'clock in the morning. Yeah. And that's what it really needs to be said
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It's the best fighting boxing. and it's ridiculous man it's ridiculous like two top five pound-for-pound fighters fighting each other
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on disputed titles probably pound-for-pound number one up the state if if and the way doesn't do something
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ridiculous on Tuesday but it's it's just the fight everyone and anyone that's a boxing fan should be
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watching it's the fight um it's the fight um it's it's just, yeah, I never thought it would happen, but we're here. We're here now
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And all those years of failed negotiations and saying who sells what are gone, and it's just the fight and it's beautiful
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Chill, come to you. Is this, obviously, again, this has been rumbling on for years
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It's probably, in terms of actual quality of fighters, it's probably the best fight we're seeing since Golokkin Canelo first got
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announced for the first fight. Is this happening at the right time, or do you think it's maybe edging towards being a bit
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late, or do you think it's okay? It's perfect timing. I think it's perfect timing
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I mean, like Toks was saying, I got people that don't even watch boxing, talking about
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this fight, you know, Errol Spence and Bud going back and forth, you know, who they think's
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going to win. There's a lot of buzz about it. And like Toks was saying, like, it's amazing that there's
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two pound for pound fighters in the same weight class with all the belts that are undefeated
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Like no one's beat either of these guys. And to me, they're still in their prime
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Like, I haven't seen them lose that step. They still, they're going out and they're competing at their best
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No one's ever said like, oh, he looked better a couple years ago. These guys are fighting at their prime
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So for me, like the buildup, yeah, we could have gotten in earlier, but I'm not mad at it
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And for me personally, like my generation, I'm in my 30s. I grew up with the Welterweight Division
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Like the Welterweight Division is what brought a lot of people. It was popping. Like you had Mayweather and Pacquiao
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You had Shane Mosley, Antonio Margarito. By me, where I'm from, you had Zab Judah, Miguel Cotto fans
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Like Ricky Hatton, like that was the Golden Division, Welterweight Division. And you have, still to this day now, you have these two that are just bringing the best, like, they're the elite of the elite
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And they're going to fight. And, you know, finally we're going to get it
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We had so many close calls. George, these are the kind of fights boxing needs, aren't they
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And we're seeing a few of them this year. How big do you think this is in terms of UK audience
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not just global, but in terms of UK, with it being the time that it's on, like Tucker said
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it's still a pay-per-view. Do you think it's going to do the numbers it should do
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Do you think it will have enough interest over here? Numbers it should do, probably not just because of the time
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I think it's massive. It gets bigger. It's one of those fights where because it's failed so many times
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people want to see it more, which I think we're going to get with the Usick Fury fight
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as soon as that and eventually happens. It will just, everyone will be in such demand
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because it constantly keeps getting failed and failed and failed, and then we finally got it
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I get a lot of hype from readers especially, anything on Crawford and Spence
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which may not have hit the same heights a year or two ago
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is now really kicking up numbers in terms of articles and videos
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I think there's a lot of interest. As you say, it's the biggest fight in boxing
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There is no bigger fight. Fights like this transcend the sport. I expect there'll be massive casual appeal
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People that aren't necessarily big boxing fans, even UK fans that aren't massive boxing fans
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will tune in for this fight because potentially a pound-for-pound number one place is on the line
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These are potentially the two best boxers in the world. And, you know, it's just incredible
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that we're getting these undisputed fights finally over the line. We just need the heavyweights to take notice and we're on for a winner
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That's what we do need. That's what we do need. And that has been much, much of the problem in that weight division
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But at well away, we've got it. And we've got the big, like you said, it is the biggest fight out there
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There isn't one bigger. Tokers how good are these two I mean let dissect it a little bit into their styles and their strengths
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How do you see this one going? I don't know. I genuinely don't know
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I'm edging Grawford. I genuinely, it's just one of these fights that I just don't know how it's
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one to go and I'm not usually like that. No. I'm usually very cut and dry about how I fight's going to go and I don't know how
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this is going to go. Crawford is probably one of the best finishes in boxing when he's got someone
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hurt in the last sort of 10, since I've been watching a sport, 10, 15 years
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Sort of hasn't gone to points in seven years by the time he steps in there
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Victor Postal was banging everyone out. Yeah, it's sort of lower opposition
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but yeah that's that's the thing because it's is the what he's doing to law opposition real
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or is spence having sort of shaking moments against world champions like eugas and porter
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when he's actually fighting elite opposition is that better that's the equation in my head and i don't know
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i mean they're both going to take each other to places the other one hasn't been before aren't they
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I think we're well aware of that. You obviously said about Crawford hasn't been taking points in seven years or whatever
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but there's every chance that this goes the distance because they are both that good
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And a stoppage is probably hard to predict from either side. Chia, I'll come to you
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Pretty much the same question as talkers. I mean, what do you think is going to be a key factor in this fight in terms of giving someone the advantage
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I mean, these guys are so equally skilled, different skills, but equally skilled
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They don't know how to lose. They're going to come in shape, so I don't know
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I wouldn't even say it's corner work, probably determination hard. I don't know
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Don't mean to make it sound corny, but there's going to be places they're going to have to go to really
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if it's that even of a fight to have to make a difference, to have to flip that switch
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to find that extra gear. You know, expense didn't have to do with Mikey Garcia, Danny Garcia, you know
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And the competition level of Bud, people have said, well, are they really A-level fighters that he's stepping up
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I mean, he stopped everybody at Welthwaite. Since, you know, we started at 135, 140
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He hit 147, he stopped everybody. But, you know, who's he fighting
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Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, your similarities, on their records, but George, obviously Spence hasn't been the most active of fighters
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There's no denying his quality. But do we think inactivity could play a part in this fight
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Potentially. Was it 15 months since the Eugas fight? Something like that
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The crash, I think it's one fight in three years. He looked good against Dugas
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So it wasn't the case of Ring Russ there. There's an extra 15 months on top of that
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play a part potentially when it comes down to fine margins. I don't think it will be a massive contributor to this fight
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We mentioned very, very minor margins in this fight. As you say, intangibles are a massive part of this
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But I think the biggest part of this for me is when it comes down to those fine margins
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Crawford, suspect of being a little bit of a slow starter against a man in Spence
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who tends to come out pretty hard, stick it on his man. I think he'll go out there, stick it on him, win those couple of extra rounds at the start
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and that could really be the difference here. He looks good. I haven't seen any decline since the crash necessarily
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I know there was a moment in the Eugas fight where we thought he might be in a bit of trouble
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Apparently, I was watching the Showtime All Access episode. It was something to do with his gum shield and he was worried about his teeth falling out
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So, I mean, that could, you know, we could buy that. But as you say, I think in activity, potentially, as you say, in small margins, does it play a part, potentially
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But I am slowly edging towards Spence. So we'll get to that part in a minute
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But, yeah, I am. Toppers, do you see any chinks in the arm with it either one can exploit or will be looking to exploit
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sort of splitting hairs Crawford is naturally smaller obviously there's like he's a naturally smaller man
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there's talk of Spence going out to middleweight to fight Canelo however ludicrous that is
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you'd never hear that talk with Crawford because he's a lightweight, super lightweight really
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I do think Spence could be a little fragile like those moments against Lugas when he was hurt I done this is I sort of come come to a point where it like
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there's going to be a point in there where Spence gets hit with something
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and he's either going to get hurt and survive it or get hurt and get stopped
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And that's going to be the key thing. And that's, I don't know how that's going to go because I don't know how he'll react
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Because he was hurt against Lugas, but then he survived it. Can he survive an onslaught when he's hurt against Crawford
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And I don't know. Like, it's such an intriguing fight. It's such an intriguing fight
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I just, I've usually got a lot to say, but I just haven't, man, because I don't know
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This is the difficult thing, isn't it? We're having a sort of almost trying to find comparisons in terms of what is different about them
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and what could stand out and what they could exploit the wit. we're all sort of struggling
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Like Georgia said, it's about fine margins, isn't it, Jill? And that is what it's going to be on the night
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It could even just be down to who wants it more, whoever makes the slightest mistake on the night
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that the other one can capitalize on. Do you think it's going to be something like that
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that determines the winner of this fight, Chil? Yeah, I do. Yeah, when you got a close fight like this
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that's exactly what it's going to be. I mean, I have a pretty strong pick in it
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So, you know, I haven't really tethered back and forth on it
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I mean, I can give my prediction now. Let me give my prediction. Good gone
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Yes, you're predicting. Yeah. So as soon as this was announced, like I've had this fight in my head for years
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And I put a heavy bet on this. I haven't posted yet
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I'll post it. Eventually, I was waiting. but, you know, if you guys follow me, I post a lot of my bets
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But, look, Spence looks like he's a weight class bigger than Dan Bud, standing next to him
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We all see that. Spence is the naturally bigger guy. He's been at 147 his whole career
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Spence has a phenomenal jab. He's got the best jab. You know, it's a piston-like jab
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He's younger. He's younger than Bud. And I got to go with Spence
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I got to go with Spence to get his ass beat. I got Bud in this, and I'll tell you
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Oh, Spence is elite. Like I tell people, you know, Lomachenko's elite, AJ's elite
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We know that. But there's something above elite, and I put a few fighters in there, and they're special
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What makes them special is they know how to win. Bud has a extra gear, an extra switch
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in those rounds of the fight when I think he might have
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Spence hurt or he needs to dig deeper I think but like Bud would never let
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Spencer off the hook like Ugas did you know and I don't even raid Ugas
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I'm gonna be honest with you that win against Pacquil was a shell of himself
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compared to the Pagiel at Fort Dermann I do not raid Ugas I thought Ugas
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I lost to Thomas the Lombe you know listen I think Bud
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is going to be forced to fight, he switch hits, he's got a lot more tools in the toolbox, and as much as
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I love Spence, I got Bud, I see Bud getting a decision, or he could hurt him late. That's, I got, I got
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I got Bud. I think you're going Spence here. I thought you're building up to a Spence pick
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there, but, yeah, Tuckers, when we come to you next, mate. Who, who are you picking? I
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The Port-a-fight is what I'm thinking, for Crawford. It's... He went back after the 9th
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Beaumach said he was behind, and he came out and put him down twice, and I think something similar might happen
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There'll be a point where he needs to up the gears. He'll hurt, bent. I think he'll stop him late
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I don't know. I, Crawford stoppage mid to late. I don't know
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I have no idea. Sort of 8, 9, 10, something like that
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but honestly no result is, I'd be surprised at anything, but I think tentatively crawl for bus stoppage
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George, let's come to you of your pick. Well, I mentioned earlier about the early rounds
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and how nicking those will be really important in the fight. I do think that Spencer will win this by decision
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I'm not confident. I don't think you can be confident in a fight like this, but I would edge him slightly
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I think, again, game plans, who's one of the best game planners in the game
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who is the best trainer in the world at the moment, Derek James. Again, I know that McIntyre is obviously a great trainer as well
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but it comes down to small margins. Will he be a difference, probably? Spence being the bigger man
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I did notice that he's eating considerably less food. I think he's considering a move up to Super World's Wait after this one
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So that will be interesting to see how that weight affects him positively or negatively having that advantage or potentially cutting a little bit too much weight That will be interesting
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Vegas judges love activity. They absolutely love activity. And I do think that even if we might
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see Crawford picking off those beautiful counters and landing those more significant shots
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that barrage of punches from Spence might just score a little bit better with the Vegas judges, which is another factor in this one
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Yeah, I do think he'll edge it. Maybe it might even be a fight where a lot of fans think
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that Crawford won it and Spence ends up winning it. That could actually happen
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Are you talking Golovkin Canello? Oh no. Maybe, maybe. I'm thinking a little bit closer potentially than that. But
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yeah, I think there's very, there's very tiny, minuscule indicators which slightly edgements
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me towards Spence. So I am picking him for this fight. Okay
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I said to you guys off camera that I've not been, I've had the same pick throughout
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And I haven't sort of back and forth about who I think is going to win the fight
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I've kind of gone back and forth in terms of method. And that is still my sticking point
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It's a very, it's hard to say because of who I'm picking out
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like we said earlier, hasn't gone to points in a long time
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But I think I'm picking Crawford. I think Crawford's going to win
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I think he just finds a way of getting the job done. And again, I think if he jumps on him
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I don't think Spencer's going to have the answers for it. But I have deliberated between points and stoppage
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because I think Spencer is going to ask questions that Crawford has never been asked before
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but if I have to pick, I'm probably going to go Crawford 8 to 10
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I think there's going to be a moment in this fight where he catches Spence
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I think Spence isn't ever going to have been hit like that before
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And I think Crawford is going to pounce on him. And I think that could be when we see the job done
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Yeah, I've not once fought. It is fine margins, but I've fought Crawford
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the whole way so I'm sticking with that. Hey, Lee, just real quick, I just wanted to say that the fight that gave me pause with
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was Spencer, it's always been in the back of my mind was a fight that I had Bet Spence
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when he fought Kellbrook. And in that fight was very telling to me because, one, I was nervous in rounds one
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two, four, because Kelbrook, Prime Kelbrook kind of had a jump in and out style similar
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to Bud, but Bud is more versatile that has the power, right
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And he was frustrating, Spence. And I always thought, like, Kel Brook wasn't the same Kelbrook after he jumped up
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two-way classes for Triple G, his first fight back was jumping back down. And we all know his eye failed him
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But Spence seemed frustrated at times where he really couldn't do what he wanted to to Kelbrook
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And the pressure eventually, you know, got to Kel. But I always thought, like, if that was Bud in there against that, I was spent
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I think, you know, Bud's not going to fail. and we didn't see the best version of Kel
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I don't know. That's always been in the back of my mind where I see methods for Bud to get around that
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Yeah, I think going back to that fight in particular, I think, like you said, Kelbrook had a lot of early success
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in that fight, didn't he? And it was only when the eye sort of got damaged
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And I know it was the other eye, but he probably had flashbacks to what had happened
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in the previous fight and this. and that definitely played a huge factor in it
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And the one that sticks in my mind is the Sean Porter one
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He struggled with Sean Porter and Crawford didn't. But he did go tooth and nail
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He did fight him in Sean Porter's way of fighting inside, you know, going all out in his own
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He beat him at his own game. It's as simple as that. And also the Kelbrook fight, we're talking three years apart as well
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That plays a factor. But I agree. Crawford definitely fought a different Calgary, definitely
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Yeah. No two ways about that. But, yeah, sorry, George, what you were going to say after that
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That was my point. Just the fact that these are, I mean, we can compare these fights
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but as I say, styles make fires and that adage. But, you know, we're talking about two different types of fights
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So it's a good comparison to make, but equally it's difficult. It's a difficult one to make
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It's going to be about fine margins. as we said. None of us are hugely confident in our predictions, are we
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But it'd be interesting to see, weren't it? And, yeah, chill, I'm looking forward to seeing this bet posted
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Yeah, make sure you get that up so we can see it. But, guys, thank you so much for coming on for this special
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And, yeah, we're hugely excited for this one. Massive, massive fight on Saturday night
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And, yeah, let's just hope it lives up to the hype. Thank you, guys
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Thank you
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