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I (Bill Ryan) first read Erich von Däniken's book CHARIOTS OF THE GODS in 1968, having saved up my pocket money as a 15 year old to buy a first edition hardback copy which became one of the earliest cornerstones in my library of the unexplained.
I was astounded when I read his book - his first of many to come - understanding very clearly his thesis, which he wrote to appeal to the layman, not to scientists. I must have read it from cover to cover four or five times.
For that bold expository vision, I owed him a personal debt of thanks. And when I had the opportunity to visit his Mystery Park, in Interlaken, Switzerland - a high-tech, multimedia showcase of evidence for ancient ET contact - I wrote to von Däniken to ask if it might be possible to meet. I was there with a group of friends, and Erich made a special appearance for a few minutes to say hello. We were honored and delighted.
One of the group filmed the short conversation with a handycam, and we recorded the audio on a dictaphone. It is exactly as it appears: an impromptu meeting, and a brief personal conversation, in a public place. But for those who, like myself, appreciate him for making it so much easier for other researchers to follow ("I know Graham Hancock and Zecharia Sitchin well," Erich said. "We all keep in touch") - they may find this brief encounter most interesting. Enjoy...
To contact Bill Ryan or Kerry Cassidy, please e-mail us at [email protected].
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so
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no one hears my skin
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is
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is
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i wanted to thank you on behalf of
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everybody who's learned
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such a lot from all your work all your
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life
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and you've done a fantastic job and i
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really wanted to tell you in the
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meantime i'm 74 years old
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but the gods still love me the gods are
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taking good care girls still love me
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and continue writing books so in total i
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have
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at the moment 32 books on the market and
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i'm just writing one
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the united states my newest one is
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called
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history is wrong this one will be in the
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market in about four months
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history is wrong and this is a great
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book too
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yes what is your topic my topic is
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exactly the same as yours
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it is presenting the truth to the people
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who have not been told the truth
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by the politicians by the scientists
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or even by their parents because they
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don't know any better at all
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and what what we're trying to put in
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place is an alternative education
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to as you said the title of your new
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book is called
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history is wrong history is wrong and
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history is wrong i know
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at least quite a lot of it quite a lot
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of it some
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scientists are lying to us
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of course the majority are nice and
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integral personalities but some of them
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are lying
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yes and the guys who really know what's
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going on have all
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working for the government of course
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could you remind me which year did you
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publish
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1968 1968 that was in german language
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in germany it came in united states in
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1969.
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okay i bought it in england when i was
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when i was a little kid that was the
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book that got me started
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on a journey that's now helped me
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help and my friends help a lot of other
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people in the meantime
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both of us have become not only older
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but also wiser exactly
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india some of them
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i have some questions to ask you yes
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please good
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and and all of this is being being
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recorded with your assumed permission
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because we'd like to put this out on the
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internet that's
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it right be our pleasure to give you
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some publicity for your project thank
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you
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that we need to proceed for this project
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but is this now
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open just for this summer or is it
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reopening permanently what's the plan
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here
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in the past it was wrong to
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shut the park down we should never have
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closed it because such a project is like
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a big restaurant
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you need time you need at least four or
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five years so that the public outside of
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switzerland knows
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such a problem
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is
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foreign
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so the park is now open in summer for
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the moment because in winter
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it was absolutely not a good business
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right and for the moment we just do it
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for summer but
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then in november we have to decide what
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to do
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and reopen it for the whole year or not
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that we need a new innovation
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we need new stuff new material yeah
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which means a lot the
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more money it's always a question of
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mine oh yeah sure that's
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about money well that's right are you
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trying to
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reach the children or are you trying to
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reach the people
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well like ask your last question yes we
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reach the journal i mean for the
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children part of
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the park but for the shows i rather want
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the adults people who think you know we
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have a motto here
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and the motto is in german only
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explicitly
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mystery park is not the place where
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someone dictates
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and says i'm having right this is the
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true answer
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mystery park is the place which ends all
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with question marks
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okay when you be careful on your
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earphone you whatever you see
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these side attractions or main
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attractions it always ends with question
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marks
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so that's why it's called the mystery
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park and not the part that has all the
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answers
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if you would give the answer it's no
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more mystery i understand yes exactly
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but for yourself personally
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do you feel after all these years that
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you've got answers that you've been
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of course i know very very clear what
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happened
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tell us thousands of years so thousands
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of years ago the
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et's were here definitely sure and uh
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there was an artificial artificial
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mutation changing in our genes
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yeah so we are partly terrestrials as we
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are like evolution and partly we are
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extroverted
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and what's happening now eric because
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there's a big change in consciousness
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happening on the planet right now
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everyone is aware of it you must be
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aware of it what's going on now
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well these when they left us
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they promised to return and they will
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return
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now we have one possible date this is
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maya date you know
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2012. how important do you feel that is
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not very i'm absolutely sure they will
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return but you cannot fix the date not
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even with the maya calendar because the
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maya collaboration has to calculate
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into our calendar and that this
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calculation is wrong
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yes the starting point is wrong then the
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end result is wrong too
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and finally we are not even sure if our
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own calendar is correct
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yes we count 2009 what means 2009 since
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the birth of christ but if this is wrong
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the figure 2009 is wrong too so
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maybe they started 30 years later with
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the conference and
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it's all a mess but one thing is
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definitely sure they will return
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they promised it we have written
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reference to that they will definitely
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return to earth
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and every culture in the past had this
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expectation
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of the recommending of someone be the
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maya the inca the agent
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they all weren't expecting somebody or
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even the second coming which is
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a metaphor exactly and today we have the
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same thing i mean the christians they
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wait for the coming of jesus christ
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the the muslim community weight of the
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returning of the mahadi
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the jewish society weights of the
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eternity of the messiah
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so now obviously not every religion can
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be right
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some of them must be wrong they say they
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are all wrong now
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when you say that they're going to
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return you mean they're going to return
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openly because of course they're here
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now
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i'm sure we agree on that this will be a
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shock we call it the shock of the gods
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the shock of the gods that would be
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another great title for them so many
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people
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i have in germany
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but now listen it's much more important
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to go to see every show
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exactly here
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now it's 14 hours and what
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it is it's about 14 30 minutes
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well at three o'clock yet orient a 350
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natsuka
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1530
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okay okay are you satisfied about
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everything that you've done in your life
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because it's a wonderful part
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not everything i'm certified about my
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books
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we have a total edition of about 62
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million copies
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in many different languages in 30
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languages which is not bad
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so that really means you bring people to
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think yes
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you you are i'm moving something
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but of course most of the people on this
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planet they don't want to know
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what we declare what we say yes
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and some part of the scientific
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community is not interested at all they
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call it all it's all
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but it's easier now than it was when you
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started living four years
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years ago even 20 years ago i was just
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ridiculed all over
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yes in the meantime the situation has
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changed
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maybe it's respect of my work or my age
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and some of the clever people they start
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to realize that i'm probably not
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so wrong yes
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graham hancock has probably learned it
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very very interesting
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you know because he's taking your work
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further hasn't he yet
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of course but once again
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we know each other yes we all know each
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other together
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yes yeah it takes some
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generation before you change the mind of
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the people
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well not the quick thing it's a big team
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effort i think
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he is except you he's no no there's
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another man here okay you're three men
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along with this
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it's always the women who are more aware
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you understand that yes
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yes yes but but things
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are changing eric yes and it's a team
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effort
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one of the reasons why i wanted to meet
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you was to thank you as i said because
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you were
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one of the people who really got this
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ball rolling right
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through back in the 1960s and because it
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because you had a tough time when you
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started your book it's made it much
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easier for other people to follow
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it's like the guys are going to the
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jungle first of all but you know i had
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the manuscript of chariots of the gods
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and the chariots of the gods
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the manuscript was finished in 1966
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already
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and i sent it to 20 german publishers
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and swiss publishers they all rejected
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it
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they all sent the manuscript back we do
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usual blah blah blah blah blah
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it's not scientific it's not the way we
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can publish it it's not
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belonging to our program and so and
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finally i was lucky i was the manager of
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a hotel at that time
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first class and in my hotel i had
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an editor of a big german newspaper and
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he said hey i know one of the publishers
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we could phone him
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and he phoned so finally i was lucky to
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get chariots of the gods copies in
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germany
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and the book was already published here
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after three weeks it was number one and
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every best-selling list
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and then comes the united
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it was like the right st at the right
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time uh wasn't it in some ways
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i was never calculating the right time i
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have been accused later i did the chest
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on purpose on that time to make money
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it's all garbage
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the manuscript was finished two years
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ago
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earlier i just could not find the
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publisher sure sure
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but it's nice to be right because you
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must have sold millions of puppies about
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that great
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yes we have sold the millions of coffee
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but i made not millions of money
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i mean sometimes you had a new year
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where you
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earned 600 000 swiss francs which is
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brilliant but at the same year you just
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spent 600 000 swiss francs
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yes for some expeditions and helicopters
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and jungle
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stuff the measurement yeah so the money
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comes in at the moment
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yes yes but we are working
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scientifically
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in the kiosk there you know in the shop
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there is a elephant only german language
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that fixes on this blouse thing the
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scratches
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the size of twitch
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something is wrong in natsuki it's only
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in german language
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so we have given order to the technical
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university in dresden
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to make certain measurements in nascar
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and the result is absolutely crazy
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that's good assuming can
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for example under the lines we found
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very strong
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magnetic fields you can measure them you
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know exactly
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it's two and a half meter deep in the
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ground but you have no possibility to
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dig there this is all on the
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therapy control if you just take a
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little stone away
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or we find a change of the electric
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fields a lot if i put 220 volt in here
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and i have a measurement instrument and
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i measure
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here so how was the current was it
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flowing
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and we have made 50 points in the desert
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and in the desert
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of course there is no electric flow
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because sand is as a high
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isolator like ceramic for example sure
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but
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on the lines the flow of the electric uh
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currency was eight thousand times higher
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than just next to it in the desert you
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find all this in this booklet
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with the pictures with the measure in
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there what's your own theory about the
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nascar lines
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because it's a real mystery i mean that
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is that is a rule yes i'm sure there
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were
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extraterrestrials not in the sense that
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they needed
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there was a some sort of machine coming
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down like
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a shuttle and they were looking for raw
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material
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i don't know what sort of round of
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really uranium copper or whatever
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they were looking for raw material and
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they were digging away their own
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appealing and the natives could not
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understand what was going on the nazis
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were afraid
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they were thinking these gods were
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coming down and only after the
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extraterrestrials left again
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so to say when that tank was full they
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had some lines on the ground
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and they said there are the gods made
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these lines yeah and now the natives
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they start to produce lines themselves
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so they were imitating
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imitating the gods and finally a priest
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had a good idea there was a good idea
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said that we have to show them signs up
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there we have to show them that we are
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here
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so now in the lines they start with
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gigantic figures of fishes and monsters
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and spiders and pearls
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anyhow but the main thing is they will
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return
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be sure about this that's the changing
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and people like you people like me maybe
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people like them
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we have a sense for this we have a
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feeling oh yeah we know
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that something is coming this is not
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just imagination
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it's why i'm here this lifetime that's
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we have it has to do with our
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genetic code with the information which
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we have in us
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sure are you optimistic for the future
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of the human race
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that's a big question nobody knows of
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course we will survive
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uh all humanity will never be destroyed
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even if we have some
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catastrophes some will survive and then
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we continue
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the next generation
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yes
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