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Italy, February 2008
http://projectcamelot.org/luca_scanta...
Luca Scantamburlo, an Italian journalist of tremendous heart and intelligence, is a courageous and independent UFO researcher who took it upon himself to publicize the events surrounding a fellow-Italian, Cristoforo Barbato, a few years ago.
We are also in touch with Barbato, but he speaks no English and was not in a position to meet with us. So it fell upon Luca, who had investigated Barbato's story and interviewed him at length, to present to Project Camelot the story of what Barbato had learned about the return of Planet X.
The story, at its simplest, is this: Barbato had written an important article about the Secrets of Fatima, focusing on the mystery of the untold Third Secret. Following this, he was contacted by someone who told him he was a Jesuit priest, working for the Vatican Intelligence Service (SIV), and who had important information to reveal. At first Barbato was skeptical, but the Jesuit was persistent; and eventually Barbato was able to substantiate all his claimed personal details. The Jesuit was exactly who he said he was.
At Barbato's insistence, they finally met in a public place in Rome. At that point the Jesuit gave Barbato a significant amount of information about the return of Planet X, which was being carefully tracked by the Vatican and others; and handed Barbato a two-minute videotape - never publicly released, although one short clip on the internet (which we incorporated in our video) appears very similar - which the Jesuit said was Planet X filmed at close range from a classified Vatican-controlled space probe called Siloe.
This, and the complex web of detail and controversy that surrounds it, was the subject of our interview. Luca is the foremost English-speaking authority on this subject, which is why we approached him. We were charmed with his friendship, courtesy, intelligence, and the depth of his own research and analysis, and are pleased to present it all here in a comprehensive and important two-part interview.
To contact Bill Ryan or Kerry Cassidy, please e-mail us at [email protected].
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so right here i have a copy of a magazine for which christopher barbato wrote
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rapper in year 1996
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the magazine was the italian magazine
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which does not exist anymore and his report was about the star wars
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the nasa star wars and the article was was written with the
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collaboration of other guys at the end of johnny alberto manchinelli
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it was about i'm sure you remember the footage taken by
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a space shuttle discovery which you see something that appears an attempt
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to destroy a ufo out the atmosphere with maybe brilliant peoples
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yes this is the sts yes 1991
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here we have another report made by christopher barbato in 1997
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it is an interview by phone with robert oding the retired ah
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wonderful american soldier of the u.s army yes and then i have here
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the copy of the magazine where was published my interview to christopher barbato
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which came out in april 2006 on this magazine
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ufo notio which is even now the main ufological magazine
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to show you yes a frame of the introduction to the jesuit footage because there is
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there are some markings there is a classification here
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on the top you have three letters s v s which is a mystery still now even now
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barbato doesn't want to talk about this and then under there is there are the first
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letters of the main space program which is uh
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of course is not an official position by the vatican anyway according to the jesuit the first
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letters k e are the letters which indicate kerygma the
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the most important space program by the vatican and then you have s
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i which are the first letter of the name of the space probe
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which was launched in the first years in the of the 19s
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and its name is siloe the space prop that would have done the jesuit footage
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ah by the way this is important jesuit footage is the expression that i have done to the controversial footage
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and then you have in roman letters
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the year in which the data were sent to a radio telescope in alaska
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right and the the there's a telescope in alaska this is another piece of information okay
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held by jesuits which belong to the siv servicio information intel
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of course we are talking about classified information according to the jesuit
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and officially we have the vatican advanced technology telescope in arizona
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which is in charge to help the jesuits to have you know nice
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scientific researches about the deep space the universe and that is another picture which was
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not in the public domain gave from the jesuit to barbato
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and the aurora yes yes according to the jesuit was taken
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from by a space shuttle crew in 1992 if no in 2002
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if i remember and this is a an evidence that the jesuit gave to
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berbato this is another evidence not in public domain until this magazine published
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in 2006 you have this one hub space telescope you know it's a sort
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of how do you call the small uh
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decoration you put on dress in english
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and then you have this one keyhole 12 super spine space look at the two the true and
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the true writings that you have here inside the intelligence agency yes this
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was not in the public domain until barbato came out with this material
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and also these two gentlemen here
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of course this everybody knows him should know him as president why there
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is an hour this gentleman here is james frances mcintyre
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the former bishop of los angeles and the jesuit confirmed to barbato
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that this gentleman was present at moroccan field
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in february 1954 because dwight eisenhower wanted to have
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a spiritual support to take an important decision for
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the mankind because there were already rumors about
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this presumed meeting occurred in february 1954 between a delegation
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from earth and i presume alien delegation from outside our world
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and the jesuit this is very important for the first time we have we had a deep fruit from the
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vatican who confirmed yes this meeting happened yes james francis mcintyre participated
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and moreover the jesuit told barbato that later on a few days later
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james versus mcintyre broke the rules because of course the
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american administration i'm talking about the leaders who were
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participating participants of that meeting
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said to the bishop yes you were present because of dwight eisenhower's desire
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you are not allowed to talk about this even to the pope but mcintyre took another
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decision and a few days later took a flight and went to rome
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and told everything to the pope who was of course shocked and according
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to the jesuit this was the first reason for the creation
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of this presumed secret service the ceviche information siv
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but according to the historical essay found out by barbato ratlines this
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secret agency was already in charge
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before during the second world war
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so somebody could think okay this jesuit is not a reliable person
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on the other hand maybe the jesuit was convinced to say the truth
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who knows important thing is that the same expression service information in
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the vatican was used by the jesuit and is present in a book historical book written by the
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former attorney john loftus and a journalist mark caron you are saying the jesuit had
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a different impression of when this organization
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on why the organization was formed is that correct in other words you're saying that
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according to the story there is a contradiction but iva barbato pointed out this can you explain that what does the
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country think about exactly think about the genesis of central intelligence agency right
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central intelligence agency if i'm correct was born in 1947
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but before there was another secret service it has it had another name it was a
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office office of strategic service so what did he change the name the
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structure the jar key maybe berbato pointed out on one of his
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articles happened the same the secret service in the vatican was born for other
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reasons and then this outstanding event occurred in february 1945 1954
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excuse me in california and this changed a lot the reasons to keep
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to carry on such a structure okay now we have another problem other
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beings from other regions of the universe are here on the earth this is a threat for of course not only
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to humanity but first of all to the to the faith of the christians of the
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catholics even to the existence of the vatican
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you have to consider this problem one of the reasons uh was
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to keep a secret service to avoid to you know to
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maintain the secrecy no to to have the opportunity to know what
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other secret services abroad could learn about
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these creatures this is what i understood this is what
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barbato told me and this is what is public
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the pope was very worried and at the same time this is another important point other creatures from
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other regions in the universe according to the jesuit
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began to have contact with the vatican with s.i.v servicing from intervaticano
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even a couple of meetings took place in the vatican gardens
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among other creatures okay but when was this maybe in the 50s was it after the
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meeting with eisenhower after after at the same time you have at least two races according to the
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records you have at least two races one of them
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is the race who took who had the contacts at murloc airfield which became later
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edwards air force base and then at the same time or just a few months later you have another
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race human looking you cannot distinguish
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them from us and they had contacts with the
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american administration i'm talking about the people who had the need to know
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at the same time they had contacts with the vatican and those creatures said
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you have to be very careful with the other creatures
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this is very important because usually when somebody talks about the presumed
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meeting which occurred on firm in february 1954
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they think that those creatures were just human looking like us yes maybe they were humanoid
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but they were different there there is at least one other race human looking
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much more than them and they they were very worried about the
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secret agreement signed among the eisenhower administration by
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secrecy and those race and did the jesuits say all of that to roberto
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or is this your own summary of the situation this is what the jesuit told barbato
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barbato told in the interview and even in other
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first of all in the press release that barbato made public in year 2005 at the same
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time when there was the first meeting in which he showed the jesuit footage to the public jesuit footage
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who was never given to anybody okay was barbato how did the how did the
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vatican react when barbato came forward with this story no reaction none no reaction
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has barbara been threatened uh to the best of my knowledge no okay i don't know anything about
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what happened to him according to me there was no threat okay surely you are a journalist you
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must have asked him if he was threatened you yourself have had threatening phone calls have
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you not i had some problems with my internet connection
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for example many informatic intrusions i had many informatic attacks
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and also in the last month
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even a small disinformation campaign began against me against my reputation and i have to tell
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you that these people are playing with the fire because maybe somebody thinks that i am
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stupid oh well maybe i'm not a famous journalist but i'm not stupid
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so even this small this information can pay against me
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against my reputation is a little piece of a big puzzle
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which indicates to me that maybe i touch very sensitive points let me tell you
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something about the alien threat for example i have a lot of respect for what dr stephen greer
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did and is doing i mean it is an outstanding job like yours i'm very
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because there are still people you know that in spite of every difficulties are you know they are
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keeping their efforts they don't give up but dr steven greer
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which did a great job particularly in may
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2001 when he was the chairman of the press conference at the national
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press club in washington dc and there were more than 20 witnesses involved
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in the past on extraterrestrial affairs and the ufos even today
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stephen grayer says is convinced because of his information but there is
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no there is no alien threat okay let me tell you something about this
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here we have behind me we have some frames of a gentleman who is now dead
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he died in 1996 january 1996. i'm talking about phil
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schneider philip schneider this guy was an insider his wife the former wife
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cynthia dreyer still she he is still now trying
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to open a case about the death of her former
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husband because of the mysterious circumstances in which he died and schneider for many
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years for for a couple of years gave many lectures and said yes there are extraterrestrial
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races which are benevolent at least two of them and but i'm sorry
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but there are other guys in the universe which are not you know nice people he didn't use
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these terms but anyway he gave a lot of information and he is an insider he was an insider
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he's not the only one there was another one bill cooper milton william cooper who worked for the
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u.s navy and for the u.s air force and until
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1989 he gave many lectures and from those lectures
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came out a reality which is a little bit different
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uh from the daughter of stephen greece perspective of the alien presence in the
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solar system but i'm not talking about you know he is wrong i'm right or not
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talking in these terms i talking about but there are and there are rare
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insiders and with different testimonies so because this
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doesn't like it does not make sense you know you turn your side to another direction no i'm
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sorry you have to consider everything okay so but the jesuit
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did he say anything to barbato about it yes he said something that became public because in the interview
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became public in the interview that barbato released to me and granted to me
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said that the jesuit told him that this extraterrestrial race
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which would be present present on this planetoid
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which is approaching us according to him are a w a warrior race
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he didn't use this this term he used another one but the the meaning
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is it is a warrior race is he talking did he use the term
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anunnaki uh if i remember yes there is no doubt
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he identified that race with the race
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which was adored in mesopotamia thousands of years ago the anunnaki
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which means those who came who from heaven came to earth there is no doubt about
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this according to the jesuit and this is the reason maybe for which this story is dynamite
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because not only changes our perspective of humankind in the universe but also
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if it is true is a threat to us because of the effects of the passage
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of this planet not only because of the presence of this race in the past on this
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planet and their activities on earth did he explain
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how you could have an inhabited planet that is actually spends a lot of its
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orbit yes deep space yeah of course
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it's a very intelligent a interesting question this guy here in the picture this is a
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picture which belongs to a u.s naval observatory it is in the public domain
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in the u.s naval observatory website the gentleman on the right is robert
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sato herito an astronomer who worked by the u.s naval of u.s
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naval observatory and on the left there is his former colleague christy who was the author of the
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discovery of one of the satellites of pluto charon in 1978 robert
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sutton robert was an astronomer and astronomer
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involved in the search for planet x he wrote several articles about the possible
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possible existence of this planet in our solar system and zechariah city who is the author of
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this book the end of this armageddon prophecies of the tour
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in 1990 august 1995
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went to harrington's studio at the u.s naval observatory they talked
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about the possible presence of another planet not yet discovered and robert saton heritage
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in that occasion discussed the possibility of life on that planet in spite of
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its distance with a very thick atmosphere he said yes it's possible to have life
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now i can add something else if this planet exists and it is
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the ancient planet adored by the sumerians and the the other civilization
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mesopotamia it means that this planet came into the solar system
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as an intruder so it means that in a very ancient past this planet was not
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part of our solar system and this could explain this could
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it could explain the strange feature
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of our solar system for example think about planet uranus
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the way he rotates and about the inclination of its axis about the ecliptic plane
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he rotates like this the astronomers cannot explain why you have to assume
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that maybe in the past there was a collision now if there was a collision maybe what there is written the ancient
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text like the seven tablets of creation the anumaelis aprahashis which are considered
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by the historians like a mythology like a set of myths maybe
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as zechariah's sitchin suggested he was the first scholar to suggest this
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those myths really happen they are just you know the remains of
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historical records told us by the word of legend
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the word of cosmogony and dr gereto talked about the possibility of life
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on that planet unfortunately he died in 1993 but he was an employee a government
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employee and isn't it true that you told us that zechariah citchin has
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suggested that harrington died um suddenly of questionable
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circumstances i had i had the i had the lucky to interview dr zekariya sichi
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for the italian magazine you for noticiario in last summer 2006
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and in his lines because it was a written
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interview zechariah city just underpoint that
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he became shocked when he when he knew he discovered when he
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found out that the young and vigorous man herito
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was dead but it didn't he didn't make any reference you know just
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a few dots after this statement he didn't make any implications you know
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he just suggested that he was very surprised that the gentleman that was interviewed by
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him in august 1990 was dead because he was a brilliant man
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a brilliant scientist he was 50 years old he died because of the cancer
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according to a biography but one of the most important point
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is that according to the biography which is available on the us naval observatory website
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written by one of his colleague dr worley if i remember well his name
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according to this biography written very well is that at the end of his career
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robert herrington lost interest in searching for planet x
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in the search for planet x but if you pay attention to the articles
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that robert herito wrote in his career well
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the impression is in the opposite way one of his last articles is dated
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1999 if i am correct and he was still convinced that planet x
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exists somewhere outside our solar system the difference between zechariah city
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and harrington hypotheses is that heritage hypothesis was more
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concentrated on an orbit which
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was not commentary zechariah city according to his studies
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on ancient texts is convinced that the
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nibiru's orbit is commentary because of the text are an evidence okay can we
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let's get back to the to the jesuit okay information i'm sure you are asking me
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if i know if there is a date if the jesuit gave a date possibly okay no date
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i mean most of the information that the jesuit gave to barbato are in the public domain
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now my website on his website on nexus new times magazine because the interview
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that is not in the public domain i don't know i cannot answer to your question i know a couple of things first of all
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the strange three letters on the classification markings
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that you can see on the introduction to the jesuit footage the first three
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letters sps is a mystery was a mystery years ago is a mystery now yet
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barbato doesn't want to talk about this because it is his choice
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another mystery is about what the jesuit taught barbato about the nature of the
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anunnaki this is a a sensi a sensitive
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point what do you mean by about the nature of the anunnaki well about how they look like
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about their history i mean read for example the last book of enki
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one of the most outstanding books written by zechariah city
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there are no comments by searching no comments no just
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a translation from ancient texts you read that text and you will see that
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the ancient history of those gods in mesopotamia
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is an history of wars of envious peoples of
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you know all the the evil relationships that we have
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even many times you know moments of calm moments of
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generosity kindness discussions you know struggles moments of peace
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struggles moments of peace you know but tell me something you know barbato
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you know barbato has had this information from the jesuit that he has not released
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yes troubled by this information uh i can imagine
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that if at least half of all the story is true just half not in
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the entire story is true can you imagine how many problems can we have
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can he can have i can have and even the people because at a certain
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point if other evidence will come out then you put all the pieces together
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then if other evidence will come out you know i'm talking about
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more scientific points of view close to what you are not expecting
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politicians like the recent japanese politician in japan that a few months
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ago said something about ufos they said something about
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extraterrestrial presence three i'm talking about three japanese politicians has private citizens
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in front of journalists the for example minister of the defense the out of the fence
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the the leader of the japanese and even the minister of the education
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said something in one week if other leaders will come out with
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information about this problem so i think that uh there is
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the little the tiny possibility that you can have you know the how do you say
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do you know the the ancient myth of the pandora's box you know the problem is
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are the people ready not just
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for the truth but for the responsibility to face the truth because if such a
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truth will come out we have to take some decisions about what to do but there are two
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entirely different situations here that are being described
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one is the presence of a large planetary body whatever it is that's coming this way
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possibly causing effects on the sun possibly causing um other effects of its planet if its
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orbit should come near the earth the problems of of earth changes um resonance effects on
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the earth's crust all kinds of things like that the other situation that you seem to be describing
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is one where this planet could be inhabited and we have to ask this question
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on behalf of the people who are watching this and that is that it seems impossible that you could have
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a planet out there which could be inhabited with humanoid life
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why would anyone want to live there when it's about minus 200 degrees celsius yes and the sun would be a tiny little
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brighter spot in the sky yeah it would be completely dark you are perfectly right the planet is so
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is sufficiently large as to cause major problems on a geophysical scale it's going to be a large gas giant
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or maybe even what in astronomers called a brown dwarf it's a sort of half a star
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it's not really a planet at all according to my opinion first of all if nibiru exists
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came in our solar system as intruder it means that in an ancient past belonged
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to another solar system another star system you know the the people
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the people thinks about the people think about the universe as a peaceful
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place you know it is not like this we have a strange perspective
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the universe is a violent places because of our you know our sense of time
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it seems that nothing is happening in the solar system but sometimes you
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know something happens and you say oh well maybe the universe is a little bit
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different maybe the solar system sometimes is violent for example years
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ago a comet in several pieces you know
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went against jupiter the comet should make a lady nine if this planet in
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billions years ago was part of another star system and maybe because of the star exploded
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became before a red giant and maybe later you know there was
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another transformation maybe this planet left his star system
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that's why you know the solar gravitation could affect this planet
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okay but let me ask you something because what we want to know is what what would the jesuits say
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to barbato who you said is is very um difficult he's very
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careful as a researcher and he must have some scientific basis he's he's written articles on
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science so he must have questioned the jesuit to say
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you know how can this be do you know what kind of evidence the jesuit gave him other than the
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videotape that shows he gave him the pictures for example right that one
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he gave him but did he give him scientific data that you know of
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i don't think that he gave to him scientific data but the scientific data are under our eyes because first of all
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i told you so robert sato heritage was an astronomer interested
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in planet x but he was not the only one another one is
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patrick moore the famous scientific astronomer he wrote just a few lies about planet x
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but what he wrote you know if you read what patrick moore the british astronomer wrote about
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planet x you say yes it may exist
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and there are other people who are you know a little bit interested for example
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few weeks ago new scientists one of the major british magazine wrote an article
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about the possibility of planet x and in the article there is a discussion
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about a recent work made by an as a mathematician and physicist
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who comes from brazil he is an italian brazilian scientist who now is working in japan
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he earned a phd in earth and planetary science
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at kobe university and is working on the possibility of planet x for
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example just a moment this one is an old book written in 1926
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and published again many times this is the edition of 1944 the title is
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the elements of astronomy it is written by an astronomer edward artur fett
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professor of astronomy in carleton college i bought this book in united states of
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america in florida and at page 221 there is something about pluto
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and i read for you quote he's talking about pluto mass which was not
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known in the last century until 1978 when christine harriton found out cheryl
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the mass is uncertain the mass of pluto but according to wiley it is
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approximately that of the earth they thought that the mass of pluto
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has the mass of the earth if the mass has is as small as it is it
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it could neither have produced the perturbation which lowell found for uranus lower is the scientist
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who invented the expression planet x nor does pickering found for neptune
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it is therefore possible that a much more massive planet still
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remains to be found the search is being continued at the local observatory this is a
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scientific book the mass of pluto is lower than the mass of the earth
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much lower these are scientific data
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one of the problems here is that the term planet x has been used in different ways by different astronomers
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some of them are talking it as being planet x the unknown planet and also some of them are
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referring to it is the tenth planet that actually is beyond pluto or chiron there are there are
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thousands of celestial bodies beyond pluto because they belong to the keeper battle object
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the problem is are we talking about a celestial body which returns into our solar system as a
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comet or are we talking about the celestial body very massive you know yeah outside the
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solar system this is the main question yes but didn't answer my question
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i mean i have to say this because if we include this in the interview our listeners will notice that you didn't answer is how can life exist
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yes as far away from the sun how can we get how can we get to the
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moon because of we develop the space technology we develop the space flight
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i mean what i what i'm talking about if other extraterrestrial races
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reached a good level of technology and you know they don't destroy
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each other like we are doing on our planet because we are not able it seems that we are not able to
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manage the you know the sources of our planet if they are able to survive to the point
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the critic point of out of destruction they can survive in any condition
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any condition because they can you know they can build underground facilities
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they can build motherships under natural conditions the answer is not for the intelligent
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life like us but under artificial condition conditions under the surface of the
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planet yes because we developed you know
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a very sophisticated civilization we are able to reach the satellites we send space
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probes in the deep space we are able you know to fly in the atmosphere and out the atmosphere this is my
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you know possible answer to your question if this race come from comes from another star
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system they survived maybe under the surface and they have many outposts maybe
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even in our solar system maybe mars maybe you know on the jupiter's satellites
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and maybe they have outposts even here on earth even now this is the political problem
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the political issue right in the jesuit footage
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there's a small object that is clearly shown it looks like a small moon
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or a spacecraft the problem is that the during you know the frames
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are you know it's a footage so you are frame by frame you know we are talking
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about thousands and thousands of frames but the behavior of that object
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is not a behavior of a possible satellite because all of a sudden the object the
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object mysterious object appears and after a few seconds
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the object disappears so if the footage is real is a real observation in a deep space
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of a planetoid it means that we are facing a possible spacecraft
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which is able to matter realize and this materialized the problem is is
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it an authentic footage on a fake
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what barbato told us is that he checked the credential of his
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whistleblower his deep fruit he was really a jesuit on duty in the vatican
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this is the immortal this is the jesus would say what that object was or was barbara just not against
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information nothing that i know about it another question i'd like
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another question i'd like to ask you is um uh are you familiar with the testimony
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of dr bill deigle bill
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no i'm sorry okay um let me summarize uh the reason for the question verico
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he says um and he's worked on the inside for the american government for many
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years now he's a whistleblower he says that the jesuits are
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at the top of the pyramid of all the intelligence agencies in the world he talks
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about project omega that's what he says and he says as well that the jesuits
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are uh running and controlling the south pole telescope which is in existence specifically to
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observe the incoming object do you have any comment on record about any of that at all
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there is one aspect of all this affair on which barbato didn't say anything
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and i am surprised that all the ufologists all the brazil researchers
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didn't want to investigate because i can understand you know for example
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i i wrote many articles but i didn't write anything about what i'm
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talking about i'm talking about the three letters that you see in the intro introduction to the jesuit footage
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sps what the jesuit told barbato in the interview
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that the jesuit granted to barbato because after the interview that barbato granted
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to me in september 2006 if i remember well
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barbato on his website spread the interview that the jesuit granted to
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him and he said that the kernel of all the secret societies
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now on our planet is sbs
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nobody wrote a single lie on the subject barbato didn't say
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anything more because of maybe
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i can understand him if it is a sensitive what could it be though i mean just if
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you know something about all of this svs i don't know anything about this but i
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can tell you something think about dr stephen green researchers he said many times
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we are destroying our planet because our technology is based on fuels you know we burn
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our fuels maybe there are extraterrest intelligence that found out other source of energy so
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we can stop the energy crisis why until now all you know the alternative
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source of energy can cannot find enough space in our society because all there is so much interest in
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you know take advantage of the oil question is it possible that there is something
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that doesn't want that free energies you know can become familiar yes of course
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and do you think that these people are acting by secrecy or are acting
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in you know another way but in front of the public of course no okay didn't stephen greer
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also say in his book his recent book yes something about the jesuits that he was
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approached by a person who said he had a meeting in the past he wrote this in one of his chapter
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he then threw forbidden knowledge if i remember the title of the book and he said that in the first years of
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the 90s last century he had a meeting and one of the insiders of the black world said to
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him do you want to know something more you have to talk to some jesuits
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and this came out after barbatos testimony so this is an indirect confirmation of
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what barbato taught us and i am very surprised that dr stephen
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greer didn't say anything about barbato's testimony
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another thing that i want to point out it appears that this you know sps
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possible structure could be the famous shadow government
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you know how many people talk about there is a shadow government where is it who are these people
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maybe for the first time we have an evidence a strong evidence that it exists and let me tell you
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something else this footage was according to what
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i understood was how do you say intercepted
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by the jesuit who contacted barbato and this sps
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structure is not a legal structure
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if a secret service in the vatican exists you know it exists by secrecy by is a
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legal structure i mean the vatican administration if they have
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created a secret service they have done this in the past but you know pope after pope
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you can imagine how many dossiers were prepared for the next pope so we are talking about a secret
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structure which is perfectly legal but if
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you know somewhere another structure came out like this presumed sps yes maybe this is
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one of the reasons why the jesuit and the other colleagues came out
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listen guys we have different problems one is the coming of planet x another
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one is that other people decided to do something in the countries of the world without
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the knowledge of the people and maybe these people are responsible for the situation that we are facing now
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maybe this is my point of view maybe 9 11 is related to this i cannot imagine
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but the only reasons for which united states of america are losing so
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many lives of his sons you know young young guys the soldiers and killing
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civilians by chance not by chance
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and losing the reputation in front of the world because in the last years after 9 11
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the u.s administration lost so many reputation because of its decisions i cannot
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imagine but the only reasons are economics are you know taking advantage of the fewer
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no it is not possible of course a lot of money you know this is one reason but you know i'm sure that
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the 911 planet x and this possible structure are pieces of one big puzzle this is my opinion
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strong opinion
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you have a picture behind you yes of of a man and i would like you to tell me us the
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the story that you told us earlier yes on your left on
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here over there there is my former identification card of
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a meeting which took place in venice on a venice island in the venetian
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lagoon in june 2006 the title was media between citizens and power
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i was correspondent for a group editorial olympia who published two mega several magazines
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two of them are technology edifica technology and defense another one is euphonoticity for which i
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wrote several articles until 2006 for these two magazines technology id
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physical technologies and defense and you frontitiali i was correspondent
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in those days so i participated to the press conference
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held by mikhail sergievich gorbachev in june 2006 and
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i was so lucky that i found a little space to make
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questions to the former president of soviet union and when i took the microphone
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this speech i made these pictures this is a detailed detail of several pictures that i have
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taken in those in that day and when i took the microphone i stood up
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and in front of everybody there were maybe 40 50 journalists italian journalists even
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son tvs and i asked him about
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his conversation with ronald reagan in geneva in 1985. my question was overall about the
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declarations outstanding declaration made by paul lee former minister of defense
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of canada and anyway i was i was talking about ronald
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reagan and his mentions to a possible alien threat a possible
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alien planet because ronald reagan made several statements i think there are five about the a
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possible threat to the humanity to the mankind from an alien planet
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and during my my speech little speech gorbachev interrupted yes yes i know
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even ronald reagan talked about me about about this stuff with me so i said to gorbachev
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yes i know in geneva in 1985 at that time it was the first meet in
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the first summit between gorbachev and ronald reagan
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and then later on i continued and i asked him and you talked about a possible alien
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threat an extraterrestrial invasion i didn't use these stems by anyway
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i pointed out that even him talked about the possible extraterrestrial threat
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and i ask is it true is it correct and he didn't answer
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[Music] he didn't answer he said i don't remember
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i don't remember according to me it means it's better if we change the discussion
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but anyway he was a gentleman why because he didn't deny
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he didn't deny and in spite of when i asked him a comment about the
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declaration made by paulier the former minister of defense in canada
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and the former minister paulie said that george bush and his administration is
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preparing an intergalactic war which you know sounds ridiculous but if
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this statement is made by a former politician leader of an important
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country doesn't sound ridiculous according to me anyway at the end he answered to me about the
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positive threat of the nils the near earth object and about the poli declaration
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said something like this yeah we are in the range of hypothesis which is you know it it is an honest
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in honest uh point of view but you know which shows it's bad there you know or he is
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not interested or he wants to change the subject but the most important thing is that
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later on in october 2006 if i remember he was hosted by a television program
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in that occasion in front of the italian public on tv in front of the journalist because
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of the journalist fabio fazio at that time asking something about eufos
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and his conversation with reagan he recollect he he remembered
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you know those days and he told you know a little bit more about the
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meeting with ronald reagan and what ronald reagan said to him about the possible threat at
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that time you know there was the cold war and the soviet union at the united states of america
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could not find you know anything that can stop the cold war gorbachev
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said in front the italian public on tv at that time we were in the garden
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of the villa in geneva 19 november 1985 and we were discussing a lot you know
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and during private conversation we were walking at a certain point ronald reagan stopped
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and they said listen to me gorbachev but if now suddenly from the space
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there was an attack from somewhere can we put our forces together can we
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stay together and gorbachev said i don't know what you think but
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yes i think we can do it they are not the exact words that he
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said but this is the meaning what does it mean it means that in the middle you know of difficult times
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there was the cold war there was the iron courty ronald reagan gorbachev in a official
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meeting you know they talked about a possible alien threat to the humankind
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to the mankind to the humanity a gorbachev didn't deny this
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